wellRED podcast - Talking Michael Jordan and Comedy with our buddy Ross Duncliffe

Episode Date: November 17, 2021

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This podcast we did in our hotel room in Lexington, Kentucky, with our record producer, Mr. Ross Duncliffe, who is a tremendous feller, former comedian, now still in the industry, producing records. And anyways, we had a blast. I hope you guys love it. see y'all out there on tour skew. But it's very hard to

to compare the two because I mean a back injury is as Bob Costa said debilitating. For sure. So if you have a broken leg you simply can't do it. You know Scottie got pulled out of the game a lot. Jordan in the

flu game like you're so miserable you want to die but you can't get adrenaline. Do it so you know he's still out there for 40 minutes versus but not that it's a kickwalk, but for a lot of, in game six in 98,

you know, Scotty was on his back or trying to rest, you know, stretches back out in the locker room. And he would come out and play and hobble around them. But, yeah,

but it's very, I don't see how you compare the two because you simply can't do it. In the last dance, Jordan even said that it technically wasn't the flu game. It was the food poisoning game. Right, right.

And, like, there was that whole thing if they think that the pizza people at the Utah pizza place, like, poisoned him, like, on purpose or some shit like that. Oh, but they did? Yeah, because they were talking about they were, like, four people showed up to deliver Michael Jordan's pizza. He's like, you know, you normally don't have four delivering people that were clearly trying to see him, and then he gets sick. I mean, you do if they know it's Michael, though. For sure. Of course. Yeah, yeah.

But that was their point. They clearly knew it was Michael. I felt like that was like the... um Isaiah Thomas thing where Michael needed to convince himself that it was true so that he could play good

yeah these like these motherfuckers tried to poison me and now I'll like because he stayed doing that right he talked about it in his yeah the I think the least graceful moment of his life was that

farewell speech he sounded crazy yeah well he is I know like you know crazy like a fox but like yeah but he kept that what these are

he kept that out of the media for years. He just seemed nice. Right. Did you see his retirement speech? I don't know. Was it in the last dance? No. Okay.

He basically talked about inventing slights in order to play well. Yeah, he would like convince himself that someone said he wasn't shit just so that he could. There's a reference to it in the last dance where he talks about the whole thing. Yeah, Mike. Yeah. Yeah. Who we don't remember now. I'll come up with it because I've heard it 40, 50 times.

This is the well-read podcast. We are discussing the Last Dance, the Michael Jordan Bulls documentary. We're joined by our buddy Ross. Ross, you want to introduce yourself? What do you want us to do here, buddy? My name is Ross, Dunkliff. I'm the owner of On Tour Records, which is very proud to have. You're our Shug Knight.

That is true. I've always wanted to throw a gal to dangle a guy over a balcony. Ew yeah. I probably want to diggle the same one over the balcony. Ross is our record producer. If you're not familiar with 90s hip-hop and these references, our record, live from Lexington, which is where we are, is available now.

You can get it on Ontore Records.com. You can listen to it on Spotify, Apple Music, It's in heavy rotation on Sirius, if you have that. Also, yeah, pretty much all the things. I'm pretty sure. I think there's a link at well-readcom. Which, by the way, it's where you can see where we're going to be. We're in, by the time this comes out, this weekend will be in Charlotte, North Carolina, at the Comedy Zone.

And then on to, oh, fuck my butt. New Orleans. And then Naples, Florida, and then Nashville, Tennessee. I will be, the day after you're hearing this on the 18th. be with DJ Lewis in Bristol, Tennessee at that new Blue Ridge Comedy Club. Come to see us there if you're around. Also, if we sound different

to you than we normally do, it's because we're on a different microphone system on account of a, I'm stupid and forgot to bring the rig. So you're not going crazy. This is a... I don't think most of them would have known him. You haven't said it. I think that would have. Okay. You're probably right.

I was thinking about not saying anything, and then I was like, well, now I'm going to hear about it, but if I just say it, then everybody would be like, oh, we won't bother him. You can still hear about it, which is hilarious. Right, yeah. You sounded different. Yeah, what was going on?

You cool? Yeah, I don't want to talk about it. No, I'm not here. I may have to, you know, I may be in and out a little bit, but anyway, that's fine. What's going on? We were just talking about, we were just talking about the last dance and Jordan. And, uh, we're making up slights, you know, and how wild that is, just to, like, make himself play better.

Right. some other guy does sort of okay for a little bit and Jordan's and then I took that personally. Yeah, that shit. Yeah, that's like, that's probably his most famous quote now. And I took that personally because it's definitely the most

it was the thing that was memed the most out of the last dance. You know, that's crazy too, though, like how long ago the last dance feels like that was the, that was the start of the pandemic. Like that was the first thing that came out. Oh, the documentary. Yeah. I thought you were talking about the 1998 bulls. No, no, no, no. I was like, is this

been a 22 year? When I watched the last dance now, I can almost get back in that mindset of like, when the last dance came out, it was the stage of the pandemic where we still kind of thought like, okay, we'll get this shit figured out. And then Tiger King

came out, we were like, we're all fucked, we're staying in the house forever. Tiger King's the one for me. I didn't watch the last dance until about six months ago. Yeah. For whatever reason. I knew I wanted to binge it, and I just didn't feel ready to binge it. But Tiger King is definitely the one for me. There's a Tiger King 2 supposedly coming out now,

and I'm like, Tiger King, that was a lifetime ago. No, for sure. What do you think, like, that's going to be? Yeah, I'm just... Tiger King 2. Yeah, because, like, obviously, I get how the first one's 10 episodes, but, like, what... Is it legal shit?

I mean, I have no idea what it's going to be, but I'm by saying, I'm real, real, skeptical that that's going to hit personally. Because, like, I feel like it's either got to be one of two things. It's either... They've got, I mean, they had hours and hours and hours of footage. There's probably tons of shit they didn't use. But then that's like the timeline is weird because we know how the story ends and everything.

So it's like going back in time and covering stuff. It's like bonus footage, basically. Or it would have to be shit that's happened since then. And I don't know. The Trump Larden, maybe they started filming again because they thought he was going to be by Trump? How much access are they going to have to, you know, him in prison anyway? Do you know what I mean?

I don't know. Pretty decent. Like, with the high-powered law, that he's got and it's a federal prison he's in, right? Am I wrong about that? I have, I would have asked you. Remind me what he got arrested for? It's been a long pandemic. Was it for?

I mean, he tried to kill. He tried to get her killed. So he went across state lines. He did a hit, man. That's a federal crime. Okay, did we talk about on the podcast, federal prison and the difference? Was that on here? Was that just a conversation we had? I don't know. We can talk about it if you want. Because I remember being surprised, we were having some kind of

conversation. That is easier. Right. You or somebody said something like that and I was like, but dude, I thought What's the movie with the quote? It's like we're talking about federal fuck you in the ass prison. Yeah. What's that from? It's not life. It's,

but it's some movie where they, it's bullshit. You federally fucked now. Federal fuck you in the ass prison. So I would talk federal prison. You can be federally fucked in that if the feds are after you, you're going to prison. Like. Right.

So the federal. But if they catch you and you then go to a federal prison, that's better? Than a state prison? Like 99 times out of 100. That's wild to me. It just feels like it shouldn't do like that. As far as I know, this may be changed. Office space.

Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think it's still good writing because that white guy wouldn't know. Yeah. It was Michael Bolton. Yeah, yeah.

But this may not be true anymore, but once in a time there were no federal subcontracts to private prisons. And that may not be true anymore. That was a big thing. A lot of states were subcontracting out. Private prisons are the fucking worst place. in America. For sure.

So there were, at least once about a time, this may not be true anymore. There were no federal ones. Like by law, I'm pretty sure. What about those like federal supermaxes they're called? Where they send like, I've always heard, you know, the worst. I pretty sure there's one in Colorado. That's where the Unabomber was sent. And that's where, yeah, the serial killer types and those guys.

So those guys are locked down 23, if not 24 hours a day. But they would be on a supermax with the state too. so they probably get better food there's more oversight again there's federal mandates into how that's run I mean dude well my brother was at Trousdale which is a private one now that's in Trousdale County yes where they whipped our ass in football though god they were so good they cheated to be single A all the time yeah I always felt like bullshit it was bullshit oh anyway Trowsdale when my brother was there dude he would miss meals day for like a week.

And it's just private. Yeah, and it was just like part of it. It was like, oh, we're on lockdown because y'all are in trouble. And it was like, no, y'all just don't have the money to feed us and you're hiding as a punishment thing. So if you're in Supermax Federal, yeah, that sucks. You're locked down. That's miserable. But first of all, you're safe.

Who's going to rape you if everyone's in their individual cage and you're not around each other? You know what I'm saying? Second of all, even that, like the whole prison rape culture. I'm not saying it doesn't exist in federal. prison, but they're more well-funded. They have a higher guard to prisoner ratio. The guys they do have in there are serious. There's less gang activity in the federal prisons, or there's the type of gang

activity where it's like, we don't be fucking dudes on our block. You understand that? And who's going to fuck with those guys? Again, we're talking about generalities. A person may have a worse experience in that scenario, but generally speaking, you're way better off to be in a federal pen. What about the ones that are like kind of famous? Is that where like Martha Stewart was in federal?

Yeah. But that's like there's a, that was probably a minimum security prison, right? Yes. Which is a whole other thing. And of course it makes sense that that's easier. Being in a maximum security prison is awful. But the reason that

state prisons are more awful than federal has to do with money and funding. What about the ones that are kind of famous like Alcatraz? Yeah, was that like a federal prison? when it was open? I think it was, yeah, and it was probably horrendous,

but back then all prisons were horrendous, and they still are. Listen, prison is horrible. If there's anything you and anyone listen, I want you to understand, it sucks to be locked down. We're talking about it to a degree. Angola, that's the one I was thinking.

Angola's not bad. Louisiana. Okay, that's what I was going to add. I'm 99% sure that's a Louisiana state prison. It's operated by the Louisiana Department of Corrections. And by the way, it is a fucking travesty. Yeah, it's like a slave camp, isn't it?

It's 100%. Pretty much. Yeah. And you can only get away with that, in my opinion, when you have state mandates and state governments looking over, you're not federal. I'm not saying the federal government.

13th or 14th amendment? Which one is it? For slavery? Yeah. I think it's 14th. I think it makes it 13th. Is it? Yeah. Okay. Well, whatever. Yeah. Thirteen. But it makes it legal if you're

in prison. Kind of. Right. So I'm saying, but that's like an limit to the Constitution. So that's like a federal law, like it's codified in federal law that prisoners can be slaves. Can do legs. I mean, if you ask most prisoners who do that, look, it's fucked up and my little leftist heart is against it. It's evil.

And it's why it's one of the many reasons we have such stringent drug laws is to get more of them workers. But if you're in there, I mean, dude, you prefer to be going to work at the fucking Florida plant. Right. But anyway, in terms of comparing federal to state, really, all you're talking about is, is it warm? If the electricity goes out, are they going to fix it?

Are you getting food? And then are they going to do anything at all about violence and how violent is it? And it's a general thing I'm about to say, a generalization. That's the word I'm looking for. It's not always true, but generally speaking, federal is way better than state. And also, I know this for a fact. When my clients who were in state penitentiary had to come down the county to deal with an old charge or whatever.

like they just got violated on their probation from this county because they had to go to prison in another county. They wanted out of there as quickly as possible. Being in jail compared to being in prison, a nightmare, apparently. Yeah. Which is kind of wild because more people obviously go to jail than go to prison. Right. She way. Sounds like none of it hits.

I want to circle back to the last month. I don't know if y'all, yes. Were y'all talking at all about Scotty Pippin's book? We were. I brought that up. I don't. Not on Mike. That was off of it.

Mike. So I was asking Ross to be new about it. We are, people know Ross is here. Y'all covered that? We did. Okay. We said he's our Shug Knight. Does that have for you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then he said, I would love to dangle a motherfucker off a balcony. And then he said, one specific motherfucker and we moved on. No, no, I'm talking about ice. I'm talking about... Ice cube?

No. Vanilla ice. Thank you. Yes. Oh, that's right. He dangled vanilla ice off of him. Yeah, very famously. I didn't know that.

Yeah, that's what I was saying. I'd probably do that if I got the chance. Yeah. I did not know that at all. Yeah, man. Did you guys know that Vanilla Ice was actually like really respected until they made that single? Really? Yeah.

He was signed. He was opening for a lot of like real deal hip-hop acts. He was discovered by, I don't remember who, but like a real deal hip-hop artist. Ice Cube was working with him. And then the label, like, dressed him a certain way. and blah, blah, blah, and that record came out, and, like, it just kind of snowballed from there where people, people who had fucked with them were like,

oh, I can't defend him because now I'll look like a son out. Yeah, you can't look like a bitch like that. Yeah, he was a, he was a legit hip-hop, B-boy dancer, who toured with a bunch of people. I think Ice Cube fucked with him. He used to dance. So he's got some old stuff that's, like, good? I mean, dude, Ice Ice Ice Baby ain't bad.

No, I said, no, of course not. Yeah, I mean, it's a product of its time for sure. Well, I'm saying, do you think that if that, if he, you know, hadn't sold out or whatever, like, do you think any of us would know vanilla ice is? Do you know what I mean? That's an interesting question. If he'd gone on doing his more compelling work that he was apparently doing, would we

have known about it versus Ice Ice Ice Baby, one of the biggest one hit wonders of all time? And, of course, let's not, I would never besmirch the good name of Go Ninja Go or whatever the name of the, you know, the Ninja Turtle, Go Ninja, Go Ninja, Go. Go, Ninja, go. Yeah. I don't remember the actual name of that. That was in Ninja Turtles 2. Yes, it was.

That's the Secret of the Oos. Look at this. My man. I'm a big Ninja Turtles guy. Have you seen the new ones? No. In my opinion, they're so, they're so, so dumb. But in my opinion, if you love...

Hitting turtles. To me, if you love the Ninja Turtles, which they were my shit. Yeah, mine too. If you loved the Ninja Turtles, I personally don't know how you couldn't enjoy those new movies. I thought they were so much fun. And my boys loved them, too. and they never really fucked with the Ninja Turtles much because generational things.

They just looked wild. And when they went back in time, and Ninja Turtles 3, and he taught them Asian peasants how to make pizza, but they burned it. So he taught them how to play Frisbee? Yeah, the Samurai one, yeah. Yeah, 10-age Mutant samurai turtles.

Yeah. I know for a fact that we've talked about Ninja Turtles on here before because I told you all that Donatello was my favorite. Mine too. I know. And then you were, you like, I don't make sense. He was a smart one.

Yeah, why would he do you really? Mikey should have been here. And Raff should be his. Raff was my brother, though. He's the rat. Raphael, you know, he did a dick one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was my favorite brother's favorite.

I like Leonardo. Yeah, the leader, of course, yeah. And then Michael Angelo was my second favorite. And then I thought Donatello was a nerd. He was a nerd. He was. I liked his stick, though. No, I thought the turtles are fucking great in those new movies.

The design people weren't crazy about. It didn't really buy. bother me, but like... That's one reason I didn't see it because I was like, those looks crazy. Is it the dining in a valley thing? They absolutely, the design didn't bother me at all, but it didn't hit for a lot of people.

Y'all know about the Uncanny Valley thing? Yeah, where it's like, it's like if something... The closer you get to look and human, but without it. More people hate it until you get too real. So it's like a dip, right? It's like, it's like scary for you to look like a monster and then less scary if you look like a human

until you get too close. A lot of the... Is that like cats? Some of it's gotten an incredible. but a lot of the de-aging stuff they've done in movies like in the Irishman stuff, that's the Uncanny Valley because it looks like really, really good, but you can still tell that it bothers you. Something's going on and it like fucks with your brain and makes it not for you. It's like a predator hiding itself among you.

It's like that's not quite us. So I hate it. That's like being in Canada. Yes. Yeah. It's just like that. What did you ask me? You were like, is it like the what?

the movie cats I don't know Zubilee zoo It's like I shouldn't It shouldn't look like James Corden Just do the voice Like make it a cat You know what I mean

Zubilee Zoo dude That fucking nightmare fuel show From when we were little And they dress like animals I don't remember Zubilee Mayor Ben Mayor Ben was a lion I think Man I have no idea what you're talking

I don't remember I just remember And I love stupid shit Zubilee Zoo Yeah Zubberly Zoo I don't remember that at all. You're going to have nightmares tonight and you're two.

Nice. Oh, damn. It says Zubilee Zoo originally aired from 1986 to 1987. So that was a year I was born, but I mean, you were like two or three. Said that did syndicated and whatnot. I probably saw the syndication. But, dude, my brother liked it. It's a terrible picture.

That's on Wikipedia. Look at that bird, dude. I don't want to look at it. That looks like live action fragel rock. Yeah. It sucked. I mean, it was very popular. was a good show, but it was a nightmare.

What the fuck were we talking about? The Uncanny Valley. What was before that? This is the first I've ever heard of this Uncanny Valley situation. Mark Zuckerberg looks like it. He got lost in the Uncanny Valley. Yeah, I don't like, I don't care for him in a lot of ways. He looks like a glove became a boy.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay, so Cho, the Uncanny Valley is a hypothesized relation between an object's degree of resemblance to a human being and the emotional response to the object. The concept suggests that humanoid objects that imperfectly resemble actual human beings provoke uncanny or strangely familiar feelings of eerieness and revulsion. So yeah, Katz is a perfect example. Gordon specifically is a good example.

Yeah, but it makes you wonder why they did that. A lot of things about that movie is like really just the whole thing. It's existence and everything. It's like, why did they? You feel like a very powerful exec had a first. everything. That's my theory on it. I haven't even tried to watch the whole movie, but I did watch some like scenes. It's bad.

On YouTube. You watch the whole thing? Yeah. Really? Yeah. Because I was at the time on my old podcast, we were doing shitty movie reviews. And I actually think it's the last one we did. Because I was just like, I'm not. That's still two hours of my life. That's so much time. Dude.

Yeah, because it's not, because just based on the scenes I watched, it's like, it wasn't so bad. It's good. It's like, oh, you can get high and watch it. It'll be so crazy. You'll have a good time. But the shit I watched. It was like, this is just upsetting. It was just, yeah, like, there's definitely some movies that are, like, you know, so bad that you can still laugh at how shitty they are.

That one just fucking sucked the whole way through. Like, it was, and again, like, they should have just made them cats and had those people voice them. But, like, seeing Idris Elba and, like, that wasn't a good look for my man, like, at all. There was a lot of people who had that movie, right? Judy Dinch. Yeah. fucking who's the

Jason DeRullo isn't Taylor Swift in that? Yes Just rip it like a band-day, Roth Yeah, that's fine It's whatever Yeah, dude Like, it was nothing but people

to hit it Yeah And it was just Absolute Garbage I'm sorry, It's fine Your appetizer is on top of my sandwich

That's okay Yeah, so My apologies, everyone That's actually on Our Well-Read's crest your appetizers on top of my sandwich Yeah, no, it was fucking horrible.

And I had never, I'd never sing a musical also. And now I won't. And I know the musical was good, obviously. It ran forever and they made a movie. But now I'm like, well, I've ruined it by seeing this fucking... You ever seen a musical on Broadway? No, I have.

It's awesome. It's so great, dude. I'm sure. I want to see Lion King. My mom. Or hair. Those are both ones. There's two of them.

Hair spray was the one Kevin Meany was. I've seen it on, actually on Broadway was the Lion King, and it was fucking awesome. I bet. I've ever ever told my side squitters Kevin Meaney's story on this podcast? I don't think so. So Kevin Meany comes to town, and I'm hosting for him. I think. He's so goddamn funny.

Kendra's featuring, I think. And great all weekend. He went to tour the labs where they built the bomb, and then came back that night and did 25 minutes in his opening about how we live next to where they built the bomb. and we just don't care. Basically, we're just like walking around next to where, you know, humanity's darkest moment was created.

It's so fucking great. But his closer is apparently the same closer he's been doing since, like, 85. It's about JFK, and it's musical. And I can't really describe it to you. It's wild. He sings parodies of all these famous songs. He's up there doing it.

It's one of the best clothes I've ever seen, even though every reference was between the 50s and the 80s, and this was like 2010. in. And this person gets up right before the closer and they're hammered. And he says something to him because he sees him kind of fall. And then he realizes they're too drunk to even talk to. He's got to move on.

So he stops looking at him. But he's drawing attention to the person. So the crowd starts looking at it. Then he goes into his closer and the crowd still noticing this person fall down the wall. And we realize they've shit themselves. What? Yeah. You don't remember this?

Like visibly? You can see the shit? Because they fell into the wall. There's like marks and shit. Like desperado? He's bloody and leaned up against the wall. Not quite that dramatic. Outside of the can'tena.

So people right by them are playing. Oh, shit. People right by them are freaking out. There's shit, right? I'd be freaking out. But Kevin Meaney is in a musical number. There's literal music playing. So he doesn't see it or acknowledge it.

Half the crowd doesn't know. Any other comedian, any other time in his set, everyone would be like, what? There's shit on the wall. Yeah. It's only like 20 people. I'm watching this drunk person fall and shit-stained the wall while Kevin Meaney is doing his fucking art on stage.

And Troy, Troy was in his manager who ended up having to literally, I remember I had this image and had hold his nose with gloves on as he carries the shit-stained shorts the person left in the bathroom for us to clean up. Oh, my God. So Troy comes up and I'm watching this and he goes, Drew, there's shit on the walls and there's Kevin Meena on stage doing brief. brilliant shit. He goes, I want you to remember, this is what comedy is.

Fucking shit everywhere. How did Kevin Mani die? Hard cap. Yeah. Rest in peace, Kevin Mey, Uncle Buck on TV, not in the movie, obviously. One of the best would ever do it. God damn, man. That is fucking hilarious.

Just shit all over the wall. I remember when he... I've never had that happen at a show. I remember his joke about coming out to... Wasn't he married and then came out to his wife? That sounds about right. And he goes, yeah, I just told her one day. Honey, I'm homo.

Murder. So you worked at a club? Like, the actual, what did you do? Yeah, I was the host. The way you said it sounded, I know what you're getting at, because you said they left the shit in the bathroom for us to clean up, and it sounded like you were at the club. I was just a host.

Okay, okay. Me and Dre got fired the same day with the same email. Oh, down in the, not. Yeah, side splinters in Knoxville. Yeah, yeah. What if you're married? All right. Anyways, where were we?

I think Kevin Maney had a fan shitting on the wall. Honestly, I don't know what we've been talking about. It's been a really nice, free-flowing conversation, but thematically, we've been a little all over the place. And then that fucked it up, yeah. Fuck, man, I remember one time Tim Wilson threw up during the show. On stage?

Yeah. He had like, oh no, no, no, excuse me. Not on, he almost threw up on stage. He ran, he was about to puke on stage, ran off the stage, threw up in the trash can in the green room, ran back on stage and did a show. Well, damn. Did he acknowledge it? No. And, like, knew, like, I remember it was a thing where he knew was sick and that it might happen.

And so, like, just, no, didn't acknowledge it, just ran out and did his thing. He was sick, not drunk. No, he wasn't drunk. Oh, damn. Now he was sick. But, you know, it was just one of those show must go on. A couple times I thought I was going to have to leave the shit. That's over now.

That whole, not that you ever should have worked when you were sick, but like, we can't ever do that again, right? Only good thing to come out of the pandemic. Right. Like, you, like, if you're fucking sick, you stay your ass all the way at home. Yeah. Don't even be around your family. That is so insane that motherfuckers really did.

Used to be, I mean, and it's not their fault, too. Like, you just like, I got the flu, but, like, I don't have any more sick. so I'm just going to go to the office with the flu. And get everybody they're sick. And then they'll have to do the fucking same thing. And they want me to do it, apparently. Yeah, they're like, I guess you must not love, you're not a McMillan man, you know, or whatever the fuck.

You mean it's not your passion to sell this shit we sell? Yeah, that is so goddamn insane. Yeah, it's a nightmare. I mean, obviously that whole culture ain't going away, but, yeah, the whole, like. Oh, the hustle and grind culture is here to stay. Yeah, for sure. But, like, I mean, actually, because now they know, you'll still work when you're sick,

just you'll be working from home. You know what I mean? Now that we know that we can all work from home. I'm not for all that. If you're out there and you're getting to not commute, I'm happy for you, but I think in the long run, that's going to be in a nightmare.

They're going to, like, get cameras where they can watch you at your house and make sure you're at your fucking desk and shit. I don't know, did I, I mean, you're probably not wrong about that, but I remember when I worked my desk job, they were super, super anti-working from home and we all hated it.

I thought it was the biggest bullshit in the world. And like at one point, they found this vestus in the building and had to shut it down for a few weeks or something. And so everybody had to work from home. And it was like, and of course, that has since happened with the pandemic. I'm pretty sure, like, that the people that work there now

have stayed working from home, like, since the pandemic started. They do. Bryce is still working for home. And of course everything is like going fine and all that. And anyway, I just remember I was a massive, massive fan of the idea. I think people not being able to work from home is fucking stupid. I do too.

So I'm not going to shit on. As long as you're still doing your shit. Right. Why wouldn't they want you to? They can end up having less on. I'm with you all. And I think it will be at first. I think it will eventually be terrible is what I'm saying.

Yeah, just like everything in the world. Yep. You're right, Raphael. Yeah, but like, I've got buddies who like, they're having to go back into the office now like they're making them and there's like, I'm like well, what is, there was productivity

down. We literally had our best year. And they're like, it's just we've got these old school bosses who were like, you know, work is supposed to be, you get up and you fucking come in and a bunch. They're just lonely oldos and their families hate them. They need to be around somebody. They also think even though, but all they care about is the bottom line, they can save money. Even though

they have the numbers to prove that people stay just as productive, they just think that their sorry-ass workers ain't going to be doing shit if they're at home. Right. You run a company. Do you have any, He just looked over.

He's got a mouth full of sandwich. What a terrible time for him to throw to Ross. Ladies and gentlemen, sugar night is here. I'll give you a minute, but I'll set you up with the question. I'll be a little long winded with it. Like, is it just productivity? Are there other things we're not thinking of outside of an old man just wanting to go into the office? Are there things that matter to a bottom line outside of we save money on rent and we're still, quote, unquote, productive?

like, I don't know, culture or clients or whatever. I think it's productivity. That's the only thing that matters. You know, for me at least, you know, the culture thing I've worked on that before. And, yeah, I mean, you know, but you don't want to, you know, start feeling like a big company that does, we're all going to go to the zoo on this. Forest culture. Yeah.

Yeah, so, so, you know, I kind of back out, you know, that a little bit. But the problem, I had ever had to consistently. And I don't mean with every, almost every person that I would hire in the office, I'm like, hey, listen, you know, it doesn't really matter how you do this, but I just needed to get that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And I'm not going to be a stickler about, you know, you've been at your desk or anything like that. You know, if you want to take a break, you know, go get a coffee. Just go get a coffee. It's fine. Yeah. But just, you know, all this are adults. Yeah, do your shit. Not one of them would do their job.

You know, they would, I mean, I mean, I think probably a lot of them had other problems I didn't really know about. But, you know, this one girl in particular, you know, tell her go get a coffee. She would go straight to the brewery. Well, yeah. You don't want that. But she wasn't the only one, you know, and like, hey, how's it coming on? I'm like, oh, you know, I'm probably getting me a little more time. Well, why don't you listen, why don't you listen to it now?

I'd rather, you know, so finally I fired her. And then I'm like, you know, and then I got into her computer and like, okay, now I'm going to hear this. I'm like, oh, this girl was, this girl was trying, like, this girl was trying, you know, like, you were just hammered drunk. So, um, the world, I mean, you know, I don't think. think that, you know, she should, I mean, I don't, there's some people that just need a leash on that. Structure. Right that way.

Yeah. But if you can do it without having that, then fucking stay at home or whatever. If you can, yeah, well, sure. I'm going to believe with that because almost every editor that I work with now, and I work with a lot of editors, they're everywhere. I mean, they, they, they're in L.A., they're in Chicago. They, you know, a lot of them are comics, you know, but. Are you subcontracting out now?

Yeah. So they work for themselves at home. Pretty much. Yeah, I think it's like you've got to have full autonomy where it's like you're on your own and I just won't pay you if you don't get this done. Or like the structure and people try to do the in-between thing maybe is where people go wrong or get taken advantage of.

Could be, could be because everybody that was on an hourly, like, you know, you'll get a check every week, whatever. I got very little out of them. And, you know, the ones that would do it, you know, the ones I'm working with now that do it, yeah, on a results basis. I mean, I think they know that if, you know, they give you something that's just garbage or if I, you know, like, this is pretty good, but I want you to change this and this and we have these conversations back and forth, then they would, you know, if by the fourth and fifth time, I'm still not getting it. what I'm asking for them. It's fine. I may pull them off the project altogether or just simply never give them another one

and move on. But the ones that I've got right now are just kind of a different type of comic. They get up early. Were all these people comedians? Most of them are. Oh, that don't count. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You had to know they were going to go to the brewery. No, no, no, no. That was a civilian.

Oh, okay, okay. She was actually quite humorless. She was too drunk to be funny, dude. Triggered by every one of you guys. I'm not joking here. Really? Yes. She would listen to our shit and be like, ugh.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was employed while I was putting out your album. There was just a little something about everyone. I'm like, no, no, no. I'm like, what's the matter with you? Yeah, well, she had to go. Yeah, for sure. She sounds like the way.

worse, but I do feel like you were like, you can't do it. It don't work, fellas. And then you just talked about this one girl who was nuts. Well, yeah, well, I mean, the only thing that she was good at is where I haven't seen her in years is just wagging her finger, basically. Yeah. At, you know. I'm going to be honest, that's the best answer or the best finish to that sentence that

you could have said. I don't know where you were going to go. She was only good for one thing. I was like, oh, here we go. She's just disapproved of everything. Like, do you even like comment? Do you like to laugh? What is the point of you wanting to be here?

Right. That sounds like a drug collector check. I asked her. Like, listen, you're going to be hearing a lot of R-rated material, adult material. Is that going to be a problem for you? And I haven't seen later. Like, do you remember when I hired you and you said this would be a problem? Because I do.

Right. But apparently it's a problem now. Apparently we have to talk about this. And, you know, nothing's coming through the office that's, you know. Was it the cussin? Is that what you mean? It would just be like a double entendre or just, you know, something.

Would you see a Christian? No. Oh, shit. What? I was taking that for granted, to be honest. Yeah. I feel like if you're like a, if you're not a Christian but are still really prudish or whatever you want to call it. I thought it was going to be woke stuff.

It's not Christian, but it was neither. No, no, it is woke. I would say that she was. Okay. Corey? Was that a fart? Yeah. Wait,

she was woke? And that's set by us? A little bit. Jesus. Well, shit. A little, like, you know. I'm almost kind of glad to hear that. The podcast, not our, not our stand-up album.

No, I have done it. The album. Oh, my God. No, she was working for me while we were working on your album. Okay, I was going to start because our podcast. But, yeah, okay, I see what you mean. You know, but like, um. Yeah, oh, you know, she...

So she just doesn't like comedy. Like, that's not a thing. Yeah, I mean, eventually, I just had to let her go. But, you know, now that's not... And honestly, I had one more person about her age. It was also pretty humorless. And, you know, just kind of... How old was she?

23, maybe. Okay, all right. 23-year-olds, of course, don't like us. I get that. I wouldn't like me if I was 20. Yeah. Not for that of reasons, though. Yeah, that's true.

But yeah, I just think that like, you know, like Saturday Night Live, for example, famously has this, like, culture that, like, got started when they were all out of their minds on cocaine. Yeah. So, like, they would stay up all night. Like, every Tuesday night, if we're on Saturday Night Live, you're not going home. You're going to be there at the entire night through the end of the next day. You're writing sketches, all this stuff. And you're just like, you never sleep and whatever else.

but like reportedly for most of them at least they don't do the drugs anymore they don't have the cocaine there but they still keep doing that and it's like you know I did that late night writers workshop with NBC and toured the Saturday Night Live Studios and talked to people on the show

and all this stuff and you know they just openly admit they're like yeah pretty much just that's the way we've always done it you know what I mean it like became part of it and now it's just way it's part of it but it's like that's so that just ain't it

Like, it don't have to be that way. It's like Larry David, when he worked there, he famously wasn't about that shit. And he would tell him, he was like, I wrote my sketches, I turned him in. I'm going home. We don't do that here. And he's like, well, I'm doing that. Yeah, right. And that's why, you know, he didn't last there.

But I'm saying, it's like. Didn't he quit and then just come back to work? That was just the way for Seinfeld. Yeah, they based that George scene on there where he just pretended it didn't happen. That was based on Larry David at Saturday Night Live, which is so goddamn funny. So, right. He flipped out and quit in a rage with the, I know the dude's name. What's the guy that was NBC Sports that he took over when Lauren wasn't there briefly?

Oh, Russ. He was OJ's buddy. Yeah, he was OJ's buddy. You're right. This is obviously not related, but didn't Craig Kilbourne work there but also do sports stuff? Was he on there for a season? I don't know. Kilbourne?

I thought he did a weekend update. Am I stupid? Maybe he was. I don't know. He did the Daily Show. He was the original Daily Show. Yeah, yeah. I was thinking.

No, I can't find it, which is pissing me off. But anyway, Larry David yelled at that guy and stormed out. And then he said he talked. I think he was the real life Kramer, I think. Yeah, it was like, never, whatever. And Kramer goes, just go back in there. He's like, just go back, you know. And he's like, we can't do that.

But then he just did. And it played. Man, I just love that. There's a real life Kramer out of everybody. Dad now, who lived in New York. He was just out there giving it by us. Like, let's go back to my. But, like, and also there's famously been a bunch of sitcoms and stuff where, like, and they're not all like this, but like some of them where you're there all night, you're there for, you know, 12, 14 hours, whatever.

And it's just like they're always trying to beat every joke, you know. But, dude, A, in my opinion, A, sometimes, sometimes you don't need or have to beat a joke. Sometimes a joke is like, that's it. You can actually ruin it. Like, yeah, right. You can just make it. work. You don't...

Just going to make it worse. I don't say 50% of the time. Right. Sometimes the one you come up with it makes everybody laughing. Everybody loves that idea in the first place. Like, that's the one. You don't have to fuck with it. And B...

Working when you're outside of your goddamn mind like that, too, you're not going to get good shit. That's the second thing I was going to say. Be fucking having writers in there at three in the morning trying to hit. That just ain't it. No, they're out of gas. So there's just no reason to do shit like that in my opinion.

And like, having worked on like my pilots in his office Rob Thomas from Veronica Margin when he was on I a zombie and I zombies that's not

it's an hour long it's not a sitcom but still like they it wasn't like that they came in at like nine or ten or whatever it was

and they all went home at five or six you know Rob Woodens he was a showrunner you know but like he didn't

his writers didn't have it like that you know and like good that was a yeah yeah

that was a popular and very well received show like it went just fine. There's been plenty of shows that were great that people kept normal human working hours, you know? And then there's been legendary shows that were awesome

where people were, you know, working all the goddamn time. Yeah, South Park. There's no, yeah, but their whole thing is insane the way they do it. But like, there's just, it's not necessary. You know, you can make a hit without doing that shit. Yeah, I mean, and we were talking about broadly, you know, work. Now we're talking about comedy,

But, like, that's true in general of everywhere. You know, your employees need to be happy. Right. You know? It's not yours. They are apparently miserable drunks. But... Well, the thing about comedy that is different than a lot of, you know, about the thing, almost any other place, is that, you know, you have to be, you have to have two different sets of skills.

And some of those same ones that I was talking about were good at the, you know, the, you have to be, you have to have two different sets of skills. we're good at the night time part of this job. Yeah, yeah, right. Or, like, you know, you're going to a comedy festival, let's split up, let's talk to some people, let's go to Montreal, something like that. And, you know, there's some people that they were very good at that. But the hard part is finding the person that's good at both,

the person that's actually good at, you know, talking, and not just saying, yeah, let's do that. and it's going to go somewhere, but, you know, like, yeah, let's actually put this into, into, into motion. And then that same person gets back at their desk and then like, I don't know, man. Right. I like the networking part of it, but not to. Like, oh, you're good of drinking beer? Awesome.

Yeah, yeah, right, right. And usually it's one or the other because the ones that I would find that were really good at their job. Like, you know, they're just at it and, you know, they just put their nose in the computer. computer that they look up and seven hours later well that guy can't carry a conversation on with anybody you know I mean he's a genius at what he does but

you know the the tricky part is finding you know a couple more people that are really good at both that still they get to gab and they can listen to comics and figure out where they want to go and you know figure out if there's something that we can do

for them and then also make it happen you know and you know you know the pandemic for a lot of people I think was a dark time and I mean you know it kind of you know exposed like like if there was somebody that was kind of going through something it really kind of brought it for sure and you know yes it did so it's it's not surprising that like you know there was kind of a purge in my office right but you know the ones in are, you know, they're kind of exactly what you're looking for.

They're self-motivated, you know, by evidence that they actually moved out of their town. And, you know, they're in L.A. You're going to go to L.A. just to be in L. I mean, you know, some people do. But they, you know, which is always insane to me. When, like, I was in New York or L.A. And I'd meet people there that, like, weren't trying to make it at something. I was like, you could live anywhere.

Why are you trying to? I get wanting to go. If you're from like a small town or something, I get wanting to go to a bigger city. But I personally, if you're not in like show business or some other type of thing that's huge in L.A., I don't know why you would ever change. Or if you were just born there and that's how I get it. I mean, I don't know. Wherever, Seattle, Austin, Chicago, if you're cold to cold.

You know, even New York either for me. Yeah, no. New York, I know people go there to do stuff. Be cool. Yeah. Yeah. To do shit, you know, to be out of. Right. But yeah, if it wasn't for show business, and hell, I mean, I like LA just fine.

Because you're doing the thing. But that's the only reason I ever wanted to live there, and it's the only reason that I still do. There was this kid in New York. His name was Anthony. He was from Cleveland, so Dean knew him. Dean, who I used to produce a show with. He was funny. But I had a conversation with him one night. It was something about one of those Creek of the Cave showcases or maybe JFL. And he was like, I don't care about any of that, man. And I go, oh, like, what do you mean? He's like, oh, you know, stand-up's just a hobby.

And I was like, okay. I mean, I get that, but, you know, why did you move to New York? He's like, because it's the greatest fucking town on earth. And I just never, because he was around all the time. Like, he was in the comedy scene. But then I got to thinking about it. He was young. All of his friends were either drug addicts or had access to drug dealers.

He would go out every night and get a bar tab for what he did. He had a regular job. He could afford an apartment on the Upper West Side. or wherever it was that I lived. And I was like, oh, this is not a sustainable life. But this dude's 27. He's young, yeah, yeah. He's hanging out with around comedians who he clearly has an affinity for.

He likes comedy. He's good at it. He's, like, actually the most mentally healthy person in this room, the more I think about it. Yeah, for sure. Whenever I hear about dudes like that or dudes who were doing stand-up and then just walked away because they're like, hey, whatever. I'm just like, God, man. How much y'all have it together?

Like, that is so crazy to me. Yeah. yeah because most people most comics say they you know do it because they have to or whatever which is you know I mean I hear that yeah no me too like especially at this point like what am I going to pivot to TV man like I guess yes like I like I you know that part like that went a lot of comics I also say it's like thank God for comedy because what else was I going to do you know what I mean like I mean just that ain't yeah like I you know that part is not true for me I could do other shit.

Yeah. But I just, this is like what it is. Yeah, for sure. And I can't. I can't help that. Sometimes I, you know, I used to bitch about it all the time. I used to fantasize a bitch about it all the time about how much I wish I could be one of those people.

That night you started talking to Sam Quinn about that was one of the best night of life. They just want to watch a show and not make it. Are genuinely like content, you know, doing. whatever it is that they do and like they're not just saying that they really are no no no and I know people like that I've always been so jealous I still am jealous of it blows my mind no

it blows my fucking mind I'm like you just like you know you go to bed at 10 and you don't have demons you know and you're just like yeah I think they have demons they just have a good relationship with them yeah maybe I guess everybody's got demons I'm getting better at that

even with stand-up like man I got one of the roundest jobs in the world I'm very lucky to get to do it at the level that I do. Oh, dude. I'm way better now than I used to be. Yeah. I mean, part of that is that we hit more than we get. No, that's true.

But like, I do actually sincerely. And, I mean, I go out of my way to do it. But like, I count my blessings. Now, I'm like, sometimes I'll sit there and go, man. Do I? Yeah, yeah, right. There's so many funny people there. Now, a lot of them you can look at it and you can go, yeah,

the reason that he or she ain't making it is these nine other things. It's kind of like your friend, like going to the brewery or whatever. It's like, I can see cocaine on your name. but it was a good fucking set. Right. But one thing in New York, Tommy, I'm like, man, there's like four or five where you're like, that guy or gal is going to have a career. But then there's like 100 or 200, which is a lot where you're like, shit, there's like

10 new slots a year for a comedian. And unless you use the internet to find a niche, like, I don't know, but y'all are funny. No, I know. Like, I think about that sometimes in terms of like what is making it. And I'm like, yeah, there's definitely goals that I have for sure. And I want to get better. but like at the end of the day I have a nice house

all my bills are paid through stand-up and I don't live paycheck to paycheck I mean god damn like that's making it the liberal redneck manifesto dragon dixie out of the dark can be purchased on our website well readcomedy.com or you can get tickets we thank all of you I'm not ending the podcast

I just want to remind my fans that we appreciate them and give us more money please yes forever did you all know I used to be a comic yeah yeah yeah okay I want you Yeah, you bring it up all the time. I didn't bring it up right then because I didn't know if you wanted to talk about it. But I was sitting here thinking, well, Ross quit.

Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, I can tell you, I can tell you, you know, my perspective. You're still into biz, though. Correct. But I don't want to go on stage. Right. You know. At all?

No. Andrew Dorfman went on stage tonight. Yeah. He hasn't been on stage. That time you made him go up or was it Brian you made go up? No, I made Andrew go up. the owner of Zane anyway go ahead

apparently he crushed really an indie show not not his own club I'm sorry go ahead no no no I mean that matters yeah if he didn't crush I wouldn't brought it up

no I uh but last night I was recording somebody up in Indianapolis and I'm watching all the comics talk to each other and some you know knew me some didn't you know that kind of thing and a lot of times I would talk to a new comic and, you know, they would ask me why I quit.

And I was saying, well, I wasn't writing like I used to whatever, but I swear to God last night was the night that it hit me is because I stopped thinking like a comic. You know, it, like I stopped, you know, that third eye, you know, I stopped looking at everything through that lens where you are just trying to find the joke and everything. And, you know, even, you know, you're doing silent practice, you'll just look at someone to pick their outfit apart. even if you're not saying it out loud, you're just kind of looking for little lines and little angles

and obscure references and all that little stuff that you can just kind of keep in your back pocket for those moments later that seem off the cuff and some of them are, but others are, you know, we all know. Sometimes you just got it in your back pocket and, you know, the situation comes up. But I stopped thinking like a comic.

And, you know, the maybe 13 years I was, you know, doing comedy was enough to scratch that itch. And I'm like, well, I mean, yeah, I've done it. You know, I've traveled. You know, you know, I've made people laugh other than my friends in my home club, you know. And, you know, saw a lot.

And then just kind of the more I did it, the more I'm like, yeah, I'm good. But then I was also just kind of mismatched for a lot of shows. You know, specifically in the South. I mean, I just never did as well in the South. in other places. And that probably sped up me kind of falling out of love with comedy. But I mean, I could have still done it.

What do you think like now, a businessman? Yeah, well, the thing is that my wife, a couple of weeks ago, gave me some Adobe questionnaire. Like, you'll find out what kind of a, you know, like a brain you have, basically. You know, like you feel all, all these questions and

you know say like you're you're a you know a dreamer or you're a you know a doer or you know a creator or something like that and it said producer is what it said I mean that you know I answer

all the question and I said you're a producer and I was like yeah but you know I would 20 years ago I would not have answered half those questions the same way right you know right you changed yeah it's not just being

young. I mean, I just... Were you aware of it as you changed or was it like, are you saying, I did change and now I look back on it and can see that that's what happened? I knew I was plateauing with the writing. I knew that I wasn't creating

content at nearly the rate that I had been when I was in my young 20s and still in college and that kind of thing. And I wasn't pushing myself. I mean, I was kind of going to over my kid and like I can work on a new thing or I could just kill it

fucking I'll kill it tonight yeah yeah and that's fine but I had also talk enough shit about people like that man is no longer a comic I mean I would point him out like that guy should needs to get out of the way oh so you realized it wouldn't happen to you you're like oh wow I yeah like it's it's time to step aside you know and when I said the label I was thinking initially I was like well I'll be a comic and I can, you know, do this on the side and you cannot do both. Right, right, right, right.

You have to pick one or the other, because otherwise, you know, it can lead to a betrayal of your artist if you're doing your own career. Right. Yeah, that's not. Conflict of interest type thing?

Yeah, kind of, you know. I mean, if, you know, if I hear about some thing on Sirius XM. Right. And they're like, hey, do you have somebody? You know, you guys... Oh, I knew that. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. You guys need to know, yeah, that. I'm not going to say, yes, I would be perfect for it, that I'm going to pass that on, you know. And to quote, the great Shug Night,

if you want a producer who ain't all up in your videos, who ain't trying to get on your tracks, you come over to Def Jam, you come over to On Tour Records. Ross, you won't be on his own. Yeah, Russell Simmons's Def Jam. I want a little comedy nerdy here as we're going to start to wrap, it up when if you don't mind saying when what were the years of your career when were you doing it

uh 2000 uh till you let's let's call it 2014 oh damn okay that was more recently than i had thought like just because uh i don't i mean fuck two thousand is 22 years ago almost i still like that in my head you know what 2000's not that long ago right around a product of our age dude So yeah, okay, never mind. But I was going to ask during that time frame, were there guys or gals that you, like, worked with on the road and stuff who you thought were just fucking incredible that, like, it didn't work out for? Or were there people that you worked with, you know, before they got,

and you were like, this person is going to be a big deal. And then they were, like, did you have interactions like that on either end of the spectrum when you were doing it that you remember? I bet he had interactions on every part of the spectrum. Yeah. I mean, you know, there are something that definitely, like, you know, that definitely had heat and this should go somewhere. And then it just didn't.

And I, and there was nothing about the person that I thought, well, this is their fault. You know, it just kind of didn't happen. Other people, you know, I mean, I remember that. I saw Doug Stanhope a year before the man show. And I was like, this man is incredible. This is I've never seen anything like it. And he was here at the club, and he came here when the races were going on. So the next day I brought him and his girlfriend some tickets over to Keenland.

Like, why don't you just come out? Yeah, I'm still an open micer at this point, but this is like 2002. And I'm like, man, I don't know what to say to this guy. Maybe we just talk about anything but comedy. this will be a good day. And it was, you know. But, I mean, I didn't quite think that he was going to have as huge of a impact. Yeah, as he did.

You know, and when people ask me, like, who's your favorite comic? I don't have one. I will tell him who was the king or the queen of a decade. Right. So for the 90s, it's Chris Rock. You know, the 2000s was Doug Sanop. you know, for me, you know, and, you know, probably Bill Burr, you know, in the 2010s, you know. Yeah, for sure.

This decade's yet to be seen, but... Just that fucking British kid. James A. Caster, I'm mostly kidding. Sorry, go ahead. But, yeah, I mean, a couple that... You know, and others that I would see, like, oh, this person is... definitely going to go places that were so I'm told and then

and then it didn't happen like yeah but I I think anybody could see why this didn't happen. He's talking about us by the way. Wellredcom like fuckups. Yeah or just um there's one guy I'm thinking of in particular

who there's another comic that summed that up best that guy likes being a comedian more than he likes doing comedy. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I'm like oh that's that's a good way in putting it. Yeah,

I know some people like that. Yeah, it's more, but the more, I can't exactly explain what that means, but I know exactly

what that means. You know, I mean, do you want to walk into the showroom and like, all right, here I am, or do you want to walk into the lobby

and look at all the other comics that are just staying out there and then, you know, that becomes your audience. Right. And if that, the latter becomes the answer,

then you, um, you know I have the Tiger you trade your passion for glory yeah basically I used to like the lifestyle more than I liked the career

and now it's the complete opposite like I don't really like the comedian lifestyle but I like being a comedian but not that whole well I want to talk to you more about that but

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