wellRED podcast - Tiger By The Tale #0 - Before We Get Started...

Episode Date: April 14, 2020

Before we (we being Trae, Corey Drew, and DJ) start the 7 part (well, 8 counting the wrap up episode) deep dive retrospective on everyones favorite red-ass Tiger King, lets begin with a little preamble episode...Wherein we establish our bona fides as white trash zoological commentators, including the Ballad of Big Bob and the Monkey Carlos. Settin the stage y’all.

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Hey what's up everybody? Corey Ryan Forster here from the well red comedy tour. If you've come here, that means you are as intrigued with the goddamn Tiger King as we were. We thank you for taking part in what is the first episode. of Tiger by the Tale, a well-read podcast special. During these crazy times, we want to be giving you guys content because we know it's hard out there. We hope you're staying safe. We hope you're able to stay inside.

And we just hope everybody is doing as well as they can. We know it's hard. We had to do this on Zoom, not in a studio. Everybody was at their respective homes, which means that it's, you know, going to look and sound like that. But it's a catch 22. Me and the guys were talking.

If it wasn't for what's going on right now, we would never have the time to do this, but because of what's going on right now, this is the way it has to be. But for what it's worth, I think it turned out great. And thank you guys so much for tuning in. And we're putting all the episodes out at once.

So once you finish episode zero here, which is the preamble, go on to episode one, and then watch it all the way through for the recap. We got a bunch of great guests. We had a lot of fun on this series, and we hope you guys have fun watching it. And like I said, stay safe out there. We love y'all.

See ya. Well, in Wood, Oklahoma's where we meet our Tiger King. He's got them monkey champs and tiger cubs that keep his thing. He's seen he's got all his meth head buddies, and they're all working for free. Serving Cheap Toteino's pizza covered in rock a Walmart meet. Then, of course, there's old doc antoe. The tigers made him rich. And don't forget about Carol Baskin.

man we fucking hate that bitch we got a tiger by the tail baby tiger by the tail we got a tiger by the tail baby tiger by the tail we got a tiger by the tail baby now here we are welcome to tiger by the tail a well-read adventure that's a little mini-series podcast for you all based entirely around the netflix docu-series slash cultural phenomenon known as tiger king uh first things first why us, everybody and their mama is locked up at home watching this shit and talking about this shit right now. Why should you care what we think about it? Well, I'll tell you, first of all, we hit talking about animals. Secondly, though, it's not, it's really, the show's really not about animals. What it's about is white, trash, red assery. And I put it to you that you cannot come

up with three more qualified motherfuckers that you fuck with to analyze it from that perspective. Do y'all agree? I couldn't agree more. I'm ashamed at how much of I agree. Yes. We track. I would argue that the only person who could equal us is supposed to be right here. He's supposed to be here now and isn't because he's been being too white trash, red assery.

Yeah, he's so white trash, so he's just not going to be here for it. That's a. Mr. DJ Lewis, friend of the primary podcast, DJ will hopefully join us from the Ather that he finds himself. through for the past 48 hours or so. He'll be back. He'll be back to Earth. We'll get DJ in here at some point. But I, so I got to think, all right,

I had a phone call the other day with some guy with a dude from, he's from Massachusetts, and he, we were talking about Tiger King, and he was like, he asked me if it was like, how much of that, of a like southern or redneck thing that was versus just an insane person thing. And at first, and I was like, at first I was like, dude, honestly, to me, I mean, like, sure, Florida, yeah, but like I don't really view that as necessarily like a southern thing or whatever. And then immediately, not trying to hit, not trying to do a bit, immediately I was like, now, of course, in my hometown, we did have Big Bob, who had his little private zoo down by the park with all the, you know, llamas and lynxes and monkeys and stuff that he kept and kangaroos and whatnot.

But, I mean, other than that. And the guy was like, Big Bob. And I was like, yeah, Big Bob, it was a whole thing. He was a big old fat gay man who wouldn't stop bringing a Puerto Rican male prostitutes. I forgot he was gay. Very gay.

Very gay. And so, like, I basically said, like, no, we don't look. We don't really fuck with all that. And then immediately told him a, like, Joe Exotic, you know, adjacent motherfucker in my hometown. And it's very, real and I don't know if y'all had anything like that but like it's always been there my whole life so like we sincerely always took it for granted uh big bob's zoo down there that he had and uh

all the different animals in it you go down there and see if the llamas would spit on you from across the the fancy had camels and z donks which is zebras mixed with donkeys because that hits and uh but this story i regret to inform everybody does not have a particular particularly happy ending. I just found out within the last couple of weeks. This is fresh information. Again, he's had these animals my whole life and this just happened probably right before um right before Tiger King came out. I received news from back home that sadly and regrettably big Bob had his monkey Carlos taken away from him by MPS monkey protective services. They called them I come down there and

fucking pigs MPS yeah come down there and took and here he is knowing a lot of y'all are listening right now and not not watch him that's Carlos behind me

right there Carlos the monkey he was confiscated from Big Bob by the federal government and it was a whole thing big thing but the community my hometown was firmly

in Big Bob's corner saying things such as this is all directly from Salina Facebook, one of the Hittner Facebooks if you're into this sort of thing. I quote, you know, I get, Bob was saying he might only be able to see Carlos the monkey every now and then. Well, you know, I guess that's better than not seeing them at all. You know, everybody's been fucked over in court sometime or another. Maybe she'll violate that court.

order and you'll get Carlos back, right? Right. See, the part I'm unclear on, there's a woman on the other side of this situation. Is our name Carol? If it ain't, she's very Carol-like for sure. Here's another, some more advice for Bob. Bob just pay the filing fee and quit spending your money on all these motherfuckers that can work and get your monkey back.

I'll stand by you. You could probably get the name of a prominent local attorney in town to represent you. That bitch don't need that monkey. And I told you what to do, but you won't listen. So people are trying to get Bob. What do he tell him what to do? Yeah. He told him the killer.

No, that's a separate clause. That part of the paragraph was, in the past, I told you what to do. Now I'm telling you a new thing. Oh, listen, here's the terms of the arrangement for Carlos the monkey and Big Bob. Bob was granted two to five minutes, two to five minutes on Saturday only. I saw him for the first time in six months and we went to KFC. I have only one week from tomorrow to appeal this and raise $400. Yeah.

I don't know if I can handle never saying Carlos again. So it is sad, but at least they got the KFC one last time. Yeah, but only for two to five minutes. God damn, you can't even get a fucking breast down. Surely he meant hours. I can't help but insert my past in right here. And when people say, Drew, why in the world would you quit being a lawyer? Especially the ones from my hometown.

This is why, because I didn't want to be Carlos the monkey's lawyer. Guardian Adelaide him in there. These monkeys got rights, God damn it. well that's the thing like here's the deal i i think i fucked up and said bob's actual name a couple times i'm sure i did but i meant to change how many how many gay bobs with a Puerto rican boyfriend no i know everybody in salinas gonna know i'm talking about for sure but i'm just trying to you know not put him entirely on front street but i did not change Carlos's name and so like should do monkeys have rights drew i feel like yeah they do but um

when you're a monkey and you belong to a gay man in Salina, you usually get a last name. So you could be talking about any money. You remember that story where there's that guy who he was out in like the rainforest or some shit and he had his camera and he was trying to take pictures and whatnot. And I guess this like monkey got a hold of his camera and this monkey took a selfie. And they deemed that that guy like on Getty images or whatever, that guy wasn't entitled to the rights to that

because technically it was that monkey that took that picture and not you. So what I'm saying? Who got the money? precedent that monkeys do have rights. Monkeys have rights. Well, we might have to censor Carlos' name. Yeah, I never assumed monkeys didn't have rights.

I just feel like it's still not super clear what monkey you're talking about. Now, when you posted his picture, I got some problems with that. Now, I knew which monkey. That was. Yeah. He's got a distinct, the way his tongue come out, he looked like he was on pills.

Yeah, he is. He was, I'm sure. Monkey's on pills. But dude, some of those quotes, that bitch don't need that monkey. That's a position. And just the matter of fact, manner with all these people are so, like, this is, you know, they're not fucking around. They're serious about all this. They're serious about that.

They're serious. They don't get that monkey. But she don't. Stop spending your money on these motherfuckers. that could work and go and get your monkey back. I hope he took their best of heart. Is these motherfuckers that could work how an enlightened Salina citizen says,

those goddamn Puerto Ricans? I mean, that's definitely how I interpret it. I know, I haven't been around in a while, but that's very much what I thought. So progress. Yeah.

Do y'all have, so that makes me wonder how, like, how prevalent or why, Do y'all have monkey or animal stories or what? I got a couple, but they're from my time in Florida. First, let me say, before I tell these stories, and I can't decide which one I want to tell. But first, I think it is a white trash and white trash of money thing,

except that, like, rappers be liking them, too. Wasn't it a thing that Mike Tyson wanted to own a tiger? He did. He did. Multiple tigers. He used to fistfight his pet tigers. He'd punch him into balls on purpose. us just to fuck will it.

See, I think it's a crazy person thing. But our crazy people, when you throw an accent on top of crazy, when you throw our accent on top of crazy, you know what I mean? It's like putting my freaking sauce on chicken. It's like suddenly we got a whole ass new dish here. Yeah, like if Elon Musk had a fucking southern accent, this shit would be going a lot different. Yeah, his fucking name was Silas Musk. Yeah.

Yeah. All right, well, my two stories, I think the, how does this start with this? So both these are from Florida. I was working at the public defender's office and we had a case. We had to represent a guy. This is in the news,

so I'll say his fucking name. Like I looked it up just now to remind myself. His name is Brian Hahn. And he is one of those muscled up gay men. Yeah. Now, we might be on to something here. It's starting. Another common denominator.

merging, I feel like. Yeah, this is three in a row of gay. He had a pet hyena that he stole because somebody was abusing it somewhere he worked at like some fucking shitty come look at the hyena shop. Went on to run with the hyena. Raise the hyena in a studio apartment on South Beach. We're talking four or 500 square feet. as he was living a 23-year-old really jacked, good-looking young gay man's lifestyle on South Beach.

Dude. How? Like, the accident. He'll nobody? It accidentally hurt him, like playing around. How much of an accident was that really? Well, he said they were wrestling because they always wrestled, and he got clawed accidentally.

My God. He lost it. We defended him against, like, animal cruelty, and I think, you know, still in a hyena, not allowed. And I think he got probation or whatever. They put it in a sanctuary. I don't know if it was Carol Baskins. I don't think it is because she only fucks with cats

because she's a hypocrite. But there's video of him now like going back and visiting, and when he does, that hyena goes nuts, like happy to see Jake, his boyfriend. That sounded like I was making a gay joke. I just feel like they're connected. so what and it's like and I don't know if you guys because hyenas aren't cute no they're actually very late they're fucking terrified their mouse go too far back dude it ain't it don't look right hey look at well I'm saying of that to say because of that

you know line kings doing they've ever been featured prominently in and because they're up against tigers and it's a cartoon do you guys understand how fucking big a hyena is yes see actually I don't I don't just thinking about hyenas weirdly because I think maybe all this Tiger King shit because I was saying about those guys. There's guys in Africa that I've seen pictures of them walking them around on chains like dogs and whatnot and like, dude, hyenas are fucking wild

man. They're way bigger than you think they are. They're like, they're like almost like cat, dog mixture. They're like a line that's a dog. It's weird. They did that laughing type thing. They're like the joker of animals. Well, and their smile goes all the way back.

But as far as their size, they're almost as big as tigers and lions, but they're like, like 40% to me of their body mass is all in their front shoulders because the way they walk. So they got trap muscles looking like fucking Goldberg out here on the, you know,

but like fronten that smile. They're freaky looking and there's pictures of him holdness. Did you see it? Did you have to be present? Nobody saw it. Like, you know, he wasn't a witness trade and had to testify. I don't know all works. They'll walk his ass in there. Who do you want to

live with point at him yeah they can call Carlos to the stand and wow i think we can put carlos on the stand now that's different monkeys are like us they are uh no but i mean i saw the pictures there was picture him holding it it's taller than him when he when he gets it up on his and this was a big dude you know i mean this was like a man manate me beach muscle boy uh was that in my second animal story that's the first one i couldn't decide which one to tell this was also florida and this isn't that wild until you can consider it altogether. My old trial partner, Jimmy, used to change smoke and drink until four in the

morning and then come in and win court cases smelling like booze and wearing a crushed velvet suit. Jimmy lived when he first moved down there in this wild house. It was like apartments. It was like a house they turned to apartments and they all shared a courtyard. And he had a dog and everybody there had some type of dog. And then one owner, the owner, who didn't live there. there kept his pot-belly pig in the back.

So there was a 400-pound pot-belly pig and three pit bulls, none of whom were spayed and neutered. One was the biggest pit bull I've ever seen. Full-on had its balls. We bring Mick around and that one wouldn't fuck with Mick because that one didn't have to fuck with nobody. Right. But there was there was an alpha bitch who like hated Mick. And if Mick got near the pig, then pit bulls protected the pig like it was their pet like it lived in their yard and the thing is they would be mean to it but if you or your

dog got near that fucking pig this is shut up drag shut the fuck up right shut the fuck up shut the story i totally understand it that makes such good i saw you fucking start beaming with joy as soon as he said but it's their pig and if you fuck with their pig they don't like it They're mean to it because it hits for that. Buddy, they were so mean to that fucking pig. I mean, and that pig was mean to them. That pig was annoying, you know, always farting, just like not doing any of the things it was supposed to do.

Okay, well, you kind of went off the rails there. All right, but for real, though, the pig was annoying and would, like, knows them. I mean, it wasn't like the pig was just being picked on. He would fight with them, but they weren't ever get bloody, but they'd get bloody anyway. That was just, I would go over there for barbecues and just watch. watch three pit bulls defend a pig that they also bullied and just be like, well, this is Florida.

Florida. Florida. Yeah, well, that's the thing. Like, everyone who has watched this docu series has 100% known that it was going to be like that it was Florida. And it's not that it's entirely Florida, but you know what I mean? It's like you just know we're even turning on like this is going to be some Florida shit. And it's like even the stuff that ain't Florida is still connected to Florida. Like Florida is connected to all of it. Yeah, that's. And they were like, let's go to South Carolina. I was like Myrtle Beach. Oh, yeah.

Dude, that's so funny that you say that. Because exactly, I was sitting there the whole first time, I was like, well, when is Florida going to show up? And they go, boom, Tampa, Florida. And then exactly as you said, they're like, we're going to South Carolina. I'm like, wonder where in South Carolina? And sure as shit, here we go to the fucking Mecca. Because I knew about Florida and Myrtle Beach, it's got me curious if I've been sleeping on Oklahoma. In terms of what's going on there with white trash, ridiculous.

Well, I've gotten a bunch of stuff, and I mean, you have too. I'm sure people mentioning, once we said we were going to do this, there were people on our page from Oklahoma that was just like, man, this is so crazy, like that we've been screaming about this dude and this particular type of thing in Oklahoma for fucking years now. And the world's finally just, you know, catching up to us and yada, yada, yada. And it makes me so happy to think that. because like if this was my hometown,

I would not be like, fuck yeah, we'd be like, I'd be like, God damn it. Because this, now that I'm like in retrospective watching this whole thing, because this wasn't like this Joe Exotic who's the main character,

he's from Oklahoma, that shit ain't the South. You know what I mean? I mean, they got some rednecks, don't get me wrong. But like as great as this series is, the second I got done with it,

I was like, ah, there we go, two more steps back for our people. Right. Yeah, because you said, Oklahoma is not the south and I was just like, but to a lot of people, like, it is to a lot of people

at least. And it was, dude, my literal first experience in New York, I got off the plane and I was on the fucking subway or whatever. And I was heading to my first apartment. There was this dude next to me. And he sat down and bumped me and he said, oh, I'm sorry. And I said, oh, it's all right, buddy. You know, don't worry about it. And he was like, he heard my accent.

And he was like, oh, my God. He goes, can you say that again? and I was like, say what? And I had to start talking to me. He goes, hey, I'm a, I'm, I didn't realize how New York this was until it, like, later I told some people, he goes, hey, man, I'm, I'm an actor. And I'm working on a play right now. And I play a Southern governor.

Can I, can I just, like, listen to you talk some more? And I was like, yeah, and I start talking. I said, so you play a Southern governor where, what state? And he's just like, Oklahoma. And I was just like, dude, you don't need to fucking talk to me. But, but, yeah. So you're right. It is the same to a lot of people.

Also, man, I mean, dude, we've been to Oklahoma multiple times and we've met plenty of Oklahoma. Oh, they've read. And he has that southern Oklahoma accent, the Texas Sea accent for the record, too. Joe does have twang. For sure. Joe definitely has twang. What did he say?

He goes, there ain't no. He goes, now, y'all just remember, there ain't no eschilators in the rainforest. Yeah. I've only ever heard someone from East Tennessee say eschilators. Yeah, I had often wondered if they was escalators in the rainforest. Me too. Now I know. All right.

Corey. I bet he could ride a snake up a tree. Oh, yeah. Corey, do you have animal experiences? Man, not like that. Like, I'm kind of bummed out. Like, usually, you know, usually you can expect me to come in. We're just like, oh, yeah, my school, we had a show and telling you, you know,

you had to wrap a bow constrictor around your neck before you could talk. But, like, I don't have, I ain't got none of that. man like this didn't go on this didn't go on where I was like I you're right this is the first time in my memory uh since we've all known each other that you haven't had the most insane and red-ass stories to contribute uh from your hometown yeah and I mean dude I mean literally no I can't even nothing I got literally nothing in my hometown we just had snake people we got us not all our snake people are the church yeah and tarantulas I know some spider people, but like not that charge admission.

It's just like at the crib. Yeah. You didn't have to pay to watch Chris Jones have a tarantula crawl across his stomach and bite him. Yeah, I was about saying. He wanted you to see it. Our tarantula people just, you know, listen to Maryland Manson at their house. You ain't got to pay anything to see their fucking shit. Dude, Chris was crappy.

He, like, drove a crotch rocket. I mean, he's like, now he, like, goes to my mom's church. He's got two kids and he coaches basketball. And he's like a real good-looking, athletic dude with, like, he wasn't into Maryland Manson. You probably listen to fucking Joe Dippy, rest in peace, also from Oklahoma. But he just liked tarantulas, man. I don't get it, man.

I don't either. Yeah, some people just, they just be that way. And I know it's not even, it's, I know that tarantulas aren't poisonous. I just don't. Like, and you can get whatever fuck you want. I don't care. It's just like, if I'm going to have a pet, I want it to be like a thing I pet, like this thing hang out and like, live. Let everybody out there go check out a friend of the podcast, Joe Zimmerman's bit about,

pet snakes because it's fucking hilarious but I agree completely it's just like I don't I ain't gonna hold it against nobody no do whatever you want to do but I could not understand it less at at all but like dude again that's a spider dude we talking about tiger like yeah and whenever we get into this in full as we go through it there's multiple points where I want to talk about the fact that to me, one of the central themes of this whole docu-series is like the apparently literally intoxicating effect that fucking tigers have on human beings. It's like drugs, man.

Yeah. It's crazy. And do you think that's one of those things where it's only a small percentage of people, but it's large enough that you're the only motherfucker within four states who owns five of them? You're going to get them all? I mean, maybe, yeah. Yes, hell if I know.

I don't know. But I mean... What about magicians owning tigers? We ain't talked about that. A lot of them that owned it was gay. They... No, you're right. I didn't see the gay thing coming again, but you're right.

It's almost impossible. It's... It is kind of wild how little magic featured into this tiger show. I think that, okay, so I don't know how much we want to get... I mean, this isn't part of any episode. the guy who made it, the reason he knows these people is he owns a lot of exotic lizards and reptiles. He's in that world. He's tiger and monkey adjacent. He also left out any weird reptile lizard people. I thought, I could be wrong, which probably fact-checked this, but I thought that the guy who made it, he was, he started out trying to make a documentary about lizard people.

Yes. And found his way into this. Right, but my point is, since this was white trash, he left them out because he didn't want to look bad on his people. I did not realize he also was a lizard person. What happened was they attempted to, it started with the investigation of a notorious reptile dealer in South Florida. But when they get there, they found that he had a snow leopard in his van. And that Richard dude or whatever was like, wait, what the fuck? And then he explains to him about the weird underbelly of this whole thing.

And it was like, well, fuck that. This is the thing. Well, what I'm saying is that Richard owns reptiles and snakes. He was an artist in New York in the 60s and 70s. He hung out of the factory. He was tied with Warhol. He dated supermodel Naomi Campbell. No shit.

That producer dude? Yeah, he's wild too. Everybody involved in this guy. I mean, I knew that he hit, but he fucking, that, that dude who kind of looked like, I mean, did he not kind of look like in the first Harry Potter when dude turns around and Voldemort's on the back of his head? He kind of looked like that.

Yeah, he kind of looked like that a little bit. He dated Naomi Campbell. To me, he looked like not quite as cool Anthony Bourdain. And you got to understand that he dated Amy Campbell like in the 80s. That's like when he was 35. Yeah, but he was 35 and rich New York artist. You'll have to understand. He dated Naomi Campbell when she was very young in a model.

My point was he dated Naomi Campbell when he was a young, successful, rich artist. Yeah, either way, though. It don't give a fuck when you dated Naomi Camel or what you were doing or what you're doing now. You hit. We should get him to do a show with us. I know we can't now, but my point was simply going to be

that dude ain't ever done anything but hit at everything he's done. He moved to York to be an artist. Everyone fails at that. He fell in with Warhol and hit hard enough to make some money. Then he went to date people, Naomi Campbell. Now he's making documentaries, and it's one of the most successful in all time. Yeah, but.

I mean, my theory is the magicians, he didn't want to get into that whole world because it also felt like a new documentary. Yeah, probably. Especially because he went to Vegas. They was right there. No, I'm with you. I also thought magic would feature more heavily into the Tigers show.

Nope, just one 12-year-old boy that he met. Oh, yeah. Well, I think we should spend some more time personally talking about the whole southern. thing and like white trash and white trash. I don't know. I had to use the word representation. But that's what just happened. You know, here we are and here we are doing a whole thing about it.

I ain't mad about it. But like I saw a tweet from a guy and I agree with him. He said something that was an Asian guy. He said something like white people can put a show out like this and not have to worry about people assuming that's how they all are. And it's like, you're right. White people don't, but southerners. I got a whole thing.

I got, buddy, I got roasted because I responded and was like, yeah, well, two people have asked me if I knew him and I'm from 900 miles away. Yeah. But it's just a subset of white. And that actually, in some way, serves his point, quote unquote, white people from Connecticut don't have to worry to think they're Joe at job. Of course not. It's just like that bit I've been trying to fucking figure out for forever about how like we are not the same as that. Like we are all, we're all white people. but we ain't what they are.

They being like Connecticut white people and this is part of it. You're right. They don't. It doesn't reflect on them at all. He's 100% right when it comes like, you know, yacht-ass white people.

But like, yeah, dog. Like us, we all watched it being like, oh, God damn. Well, I get with history, but it's like, God,

right. Right. And this isn't, this isn't funny at all, but the conclusion I was led to by from frankly very sweet hitting Twitter of black ladies was that regionalism is very

real, it's very shitty, it's used to oppress people, but it don't touch racism, which obviously, obviously I knew it didn't touch racism, but anyway, that's what we're talking about with your bit. It's like a type of regionalism which is extra funny because how is a thousand miles away the same

region? This feels like single A football where you had to drive five hours to play a team because your school's so goddamn small. How are we in the same region? I think and I don't know. is going to, I think that motherfucker Joe Exotic could have been in like Montana or something. And I think it would still feel that way to people. I agree.

It would still just be the South just because he's a white trash redneck motherfucker. It wouldn't matter if he was in Alaska or wherever. I agree except for that. I do think the accent is a big part of this. Yeah. Well, it definitely is because people aren't like talking about how doctors. or Baclavah or whatever the fuck his name is. Like they're not,

they're not associating him with the, he doesn't get all the fucking trashy redneck comments. He's just, and he lives in the South. Right, he lives in the South, but he doesn't have the accent. He's got more of the like, I'm gonna,

I have several different types of lotions. I have a different lotion for my penis and I'll put it in your butt while wearing this head towel. He's a different lotion for every concubine he has. All of him he met when they were 16. Yeah, yeah. No, he don't.

I don't head. I'm not going to have ourselves yet. Right, right, you're right, you're right. But yeah, no, right. It's just another in, you know, endlessly long list of things that we as Southerners watch and are just like, no, God damn it, here we go. But again, it really hit for me.

No, it really hit for me, too, which is my, like, I kept forgetting that I felt that way. Like, I was so glued to the fucking TV. And there was part, like, I guess because I'm smart, And I'm like, this is fucking Oklahoma. The realness didn't set in until when it, but when it finally did, I was like, it don't matter.

I may as well live in Oklahoma. Yeah. I've said that plenty of times. Well, what? Y'all want to get into it? We can get into it. I mean, we're at 30. I don't want to do episode one.

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hey, should we talk at all about this region this dude comes from and how a person like this gets made? No. I know. I think they were like, we've got years of, footage on that just in other stuff like we know what they're about yeah to be fair it's it's not as exploitive expletive exploitative it's not exploitative as exploitative as say honey boo-bo because it's it's it's a much more even-handed look it ain't my fault this dude walks around with a cane shooting stuff you know

it didn't feel like they were coaching him the way they did mama june no it no matter of fact man it seemed very much like the way that you watch a lot of it. These dudes were very much coaching the fucking documentary staff. Like they knew exactly how they wanted to be presented. Like, Baclavah was doing, I know that ain't his name. I just can't think of it right now that it sounds like Baclavai. But fucking, hell, goddamn old Joe Exotic, man. He did a fucking radio and TV show every single night.

Boy, that man knew exactly how he wanted to be presented in front of him. Oh, yeah, apparently fucking tiger people. They know what they're about. They do. Well, and they're all still doing interviews. It's like they don't even have shame. But hell no. There wasn't an ounce of shame in this whole goddamn thing they do.

They don't give a buck dog. We are all wrong. It is us who are wrong. Yeah, it is us who does not have. About them. Yeah. They all believe that. And then this is going to be covered when we get in this specific episodes a little bit,

but this isn't at all the point. of the documentary, what was it like for him in general to be a gay tiger owning man in Oklahoma? And if you ain't seen it yet, surprisingly, they don't cover that. There was like a very brief backstory. Quite a bit, honestly. I liked that one thing about it, that they didn't, they never be. And I feel like they didn't really cover that because it didn't seem to be, a huge part of the whole thing or a huge problem for him.

All the other red-ass motherfuckers that he had working for them there were just like, yeah, he's, you know, he's got two husbands. That's just Joe, what are you going to do? You know, whatever. And that part, that part hit for me. Just because I feel like that was different than most people would expect. Do you think that's like a sign that, you know, money can insulate you a little bit or like, or just being a red ass insulate you or a gun insulate you?

I think a lot of it was because that dude, like, yes, he was, you know, successful. He was also redder than fuck. He kept that thing on him. I've been saying it. And I've been saying it. You have, man. Like, you have, dude. They need to get guns.

No, dude. They make rainbow-colored AK-47s. I genuinely think there's a, I genuinely think there's a lot to be said about the fact that being gay was, being gay in a rural area was the, 19th most interesting thing about him. And that that's a lot. I mean, like, that's like once you, once you see, like when you meet that guy and he's like, I'm gay, I'm broke his shit. I do have drug problems.

I have a gun. I got this shit. By the time he gets through all of them, you're like, I think he may have said he was gay, but it can't matter right now because I know, I've got too much information. Well, look, man, I mean, on our primary podcast, I've talked before about big Bob, who I mentioned earlier. And I didn't even realize it at the time, but I've since thought back on how crazy that really is,

because I grew up in this tiny little, tiny little fucking town in Tennessee, and this guy was very much prominent in the community. He was like this big morbidly obese, openly gay man, who that was not a joke, literally brought fucking Puerto Rican prostitutes to high school football games or high school, any ball games, whatever. Like it was big Bob living life. And he had a goddamn zoo. He owned wild animals and shit in the middle of town.

And like it was in like, no, nobody ever acted like any of that was all that crazy. And I don't know. Trey. It's just everything all at once. They're like, yeah, it's just Bob, you know, or something. I don't know. Trey, I'm going to need you at some point. I need to know what is Salina Facebook?

and what's that other one? It's not back page. What's that other one where small towns? Topics. I need to know what Facebook and topics is saying about the Tiger King in relation to Big Bob. Somebody has to have been like, fuck this guy.

Why ain't they making a dock? Because you know how homing we are all? Like we all are home. What's that called? Homers. Homer. We're all homers. Yeah.

That's what we're from. That's what I'm saying. I guarantee you. there's about 15 people in Salina, furious that they made a documentary about this some bitch from Oklahoma and not Big Bob. I mean, what's better about him? Oh, he maybe tried to kill a blonde lady like Big Bob ain't killed a couple of Puerto Rican processes. I mean, all I know as far as that goes, I'm sure you're right. I ain't looked into it.

But on my Salina boys group text, it definitely got brought up. Shime was like, I wish Joe Exotic and Big Bob could have met in real life. That would have been some shit. And fucked his shit out of each other. Yeah. You know, it definitely goes through people's mind for sure. But I got to say, Big Bob is certainly a character. But, like, I mean, I don't think, I don't think he stacks up to this.

No, no, no. It ain't murder. It ain't, you know, like fucking multiple straight husbands. I guess what I'm saying is like, consider Wade for a second. Yes. Please let's consider Wade. If what, like, if Wade, we, we, live in a very fucking conservative area that's like fairly bigotive i hear some rough shit you know

a lot it's not a very it's not a very uh we're glad the gays can get married feeling type of community if wade came out however and was like hey sometimes i like to get fucked in the butt everybody would be like yeah right bet pretty like pretty new listeners whatever Wade is a guy that Corey knows in his hometown who's just a crazy-ass redneck motherfucker. He jacked off a dog once. Yes. Well, more than once. You don't know that once.

I'm sure it wasn't. Yeah, just one. One time in a car that Corey was in. Yeah, here's how I know he did it more than once because you should have seen how good he did it that time. And what was so funny to is when he was jacking the dog off, Cassio was like, hey man, quit jacking my dog off. and Wade just goes, and I swear to God, what? He likes it. I mean, he did.

Of course he did. I can't believe the dog like getting jacked. What I'm saying is like, with all you know about Wade, if I was to just casually throw in, oh yeah, and by the way, Wade sometimes let's get fucked in the butt. Everybody would be like, yeah. And like, even people who are like against that type of thing will be like, we have already gotten used to who this dude is anyways.

Gay isn't, it don't even fucking regis. register with us. Yeah, yeah. This dude was talking about having herpes at Mike Papo's funeral in front of the preacher. Like, I don't give a fuck. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, dude.

But as far as the Homer thing, Tray, you're completely right. But it's kind of like, you know how like in sports, you'll be like watching somebody play for the University of Tennessee and there's some dumbass redneck who's like, man, that old boy that played at Oak Ridge is better than him. And you're like, you mean the guy who went to a D2 school and then was like mediocre there? I don't think so, but you'll just never convince them that the guy that they one time saw dunk in a way that was impressive couldn't beat Michael Jordan.

Yeah. Joe Exotic is the Michael Jordan of wild gay motherfuckers owning cats and having multiple husbands. But I feel like Big Bob is AAA. Right. There's honestly, dude, and y'all know it, but there's like, there's actually more to it than I'm even saying here because I just, like I said, I don't want to. They don't want to hurt Carlos. There's legal ramifications or shit. I got their stuff I don't want to put out there.

Well, it's just like any custody case. It's the kids who get hurt. Yeah. I'm thinking about Carlos. Yeah. The monkey. Oh, my God. Oh, hell.

Well, I mean, shit. The last thing I'll say then for this preamble is it was well done. This is, it's fucking phenomenally done, man. It's unbelievable, man. I genuinely like, you know, as much. Oh, you mean the show. Yeah. I thought you meant us just now this past 45 minutes.

Yeah. Fuck no. You're right. No, man. Like, it was genuinely. Yeah, so my friend, the way I got into is my friend Sarah message me like, I guess last week or whatever. And she's like, if you've seen Tiger King, I was like, what the fuck is that? And she goes, this dude is, she goes, it's like if you mix DJ Lewis, friend of the podcast, DJ, DJ, Loo.

She said, it's like if you mix, if you. mixed DJ Lewis with Jeffrey Dendy. And for those of you that don't know, Jeffrey Dendy was me and Sarah's old boss, who was a lunatic gay florist, who has recently passed on. And as soon as she said that, I'm like,

all right, I'm fucking in. And I totally thought like, all right, this is going to be one of them like, I don't know, like a honey boo boo-bo type thing, where it's just like,

here's a crazy person, and I'm supposed to go, and this is going to be like stupidity porn. You know what I'm saying? Like something like that. and as like not even not even five minutes in because I watch I watch a lot of shit and I have a good appreciation for stuff and I'm kind of a snob with things I was like immediately I was like no I mean it might be that but like they've already set some shit up here this is about

to be fucking wild this is really well done and it never fucking deviates from that like every fucking I won't even say five minutes less than that like every 45 seconds you think to yourself you're like that's the craziest shit I've ever seen in my goddamn damn life. And before those words can even leave your mouth, you're like, nope, that. That was the craziest shit I've ever seen in my life. It was fucking so well done. I watched it all in one go. Of course, I ain't got no kids, but it was just seven hours. Like, we turned it on and seven hours later, it was like, can I go pee? Jesus Christ. So yeah, man, I can't say enough good things about it. I thought it was going to be justice porn to piggyback off your stupidity porn comment.

I do think it was a little bit stupidity porn. I mean, yeah. But it was. well done. You ever like stop jacking off sometimes in a porn and you're just like, man, look at how they captured that. I mean, me neither. But the point is, it is stupidity porn. It's just well done.

Dude, I think it's more fucking lunacy porn. Yeah, right. Right. Stupidity porn. You know what I mean? But also like, I had written back when we still, back when stand-up comedy still existed and was legal. I remember that hit. We had shows coming up. I had

gotten, I had a new bid I was about to try out, and this was before Tiger King, all about true crime as a genre and how, like, popular it's gotten how much my wife loves it and how I just, it does not hit for me, and I'm not going to go into the actual bit, but like, Tiger King, if I ever am going to try that again, I'm going to have to include a Tiger King disclaimer about it, because it's like, it's completely changed that entirely for me. But like, you know, and I know we're not getting into the nuts and bolts, but you don't even really hear about that crime until way late. We all knew about it.

They opened with it. Oh, right. But also, there's just, it's crime, dog. It's crime throughout. Yeah, but it's not a crime doc to the end. There's so much crime. But, yeah, like, my point is, and it is very different. It's its own thing.

I've never seen nothing else like it. And that really is the big thing about it. but like my point is the general genre it exists in is not one that I typically have been very into or been a big fan of, and I could not tear myself away from this shit, man. It was fucking insane. Well, I guess we'll put this episode out,

telling people you can listen to this one, even if you've never seen it. If you have never seen it, go fucking watch it. Yeah. But when we come back on the next episode, a tiger by the tail. We're going to get into it for real. So we'll see y'all there. Pugh. Mew. Mee, yeah. I don't know. I ain't got it. Eskilators.

Esculators. Well, in Wood, Oklahoma's where we meet our Tiger King. He's got them monkey champs and tiger cubs the cutest thing you've seen. He's got all his meth heads buddies, and they're all working for free. Serving Chief Toteino's pizza covered in rock a Walmart meet. Then, of course, there's old dock and talk for tigers. made him rich. And don't forget about Carol Baskins, man, we fucking hate that bitch. We got a tiger by the tail, baby. Tiger by the tail, we got a tiger by the tail.