wellRED podcast - Tiger By The Tale #2: CULT OF PERSONALITY

Episode Date: April 14, 2020

Wherein we welcome our intrepid cohost DJ Lewis back from space to continue our journey, and dive further into the sea of hypocrisy and bullshit that is the life of that bitch Carole Baskins. And then we’re joined by comedy writer and hippy-knower extraordinaire Mark Agee as we wind it down.

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The Tigers made him rich. And don't forget about Carol Baskins. Man, we fucking hate that bitch. We got a tiger by the tail, baby. Tiger by the tail, we got a. Tiger by the tail, baby. Tiger by the tail, we got a. Tiger by the tail, we got a.

Tiger by the tail, baby. Tiger by the tail, we got a. Tiger by the tail, baby. Well, here we are, boys, for episode two of Tiger by the tail, a well-read jam, where we cover Tiger King, episode two, called Cult of Personality. But before we get started, look who has returned from space. Fucking chief.

Yeah, look at him. Well, what's the latest news from space, DJ? It's fucked up out there, y'all. God damn, it's fucked up. Yeah, don't be in space. Stay as close to not space. Yeah, dirt. space.

Not space. That, as you know, is a synonym for Earth. Yeah. Yeah. You heard it here first, folks. Yeah. It's fucked up. All right.

DJ, we're glad that you are back with us and have you here for the extent of it. Now, let's just get into it. Episode two opens with a mauling. Good way to open. Saf, whose entire interview takes place in a junkyard for no stated reason, is mauled by a tiger while on duty at the GW Zoo. So there's a lot of great stuff about this thing, but I'll turn it over to y'all and see what stones are not uncovered

by the time we get to the end of it and circle back. What did you think about this mauling, DJ? How do you write this mauling amongst other mallings? Oh, number one, I've got to say, for Joe Exotic, like, did he do the right thing? like from like his whole procedure going in. He checked on a staff member who, by the way, it wasn't the tiger, it was the fence.

It was at least a little bit the tiger, wasn't it? Well, he stated that it was a fence that got her, that got caught in the fence. Viciously mawled by a fence. That was my favorite part. That was my favorite part. That was my favorite part was Joe Exotic coming in and coming straight into the gift shop

and being like, all right, before y'all hear some bullshit on the news, I'm going to want you to hear it from me first. We had a person get their arm chopped off by a tiger. I can either give you a rain check or I'll give you money back. Yeah. That was the main question right there, is that you have to ask yourself in a situation, do you take a rain check or do you get your money back after the malling?

What would you do? Oh, rain check, baby. Yeah, right. I know that now. You might see the next mauling. You miss this one. Especially if there's a business that operates with like we've just had a malling but we're willing to just give you a rain check.

I'm like, see, they got it figured out. Yeah, they got it figured out. It's standard operating procedures. Yes, that's right. Check on your employee first and then make sure that everyone knows that their money's in the right place. You're exactly right. I was just about to say, yeah, Joe clearly has a protocol that he follows here.

You did skip a step, DJ. Somewhere in between those two things is Don, your emergency medical services jacket. Oh, yeah. So everybody knows the authority is unquestioned in the scenario. And he walked through a door with that jacket on, and he was framed. Yeah. And I went to tell him, I went to go, Andy, he put fucking thing on and I go handy and I turned to look at her and she had spit soup out.

Just like, yep, we're all in this. He literally put it on to go outside to smoke a cigarette and bitch. And then he gets on the walk you wherever. And it's just like, well, what won't you do? Do your damn job. Don't stick your arms through no fences. God damn. Well, he is the authority.

Where's that camera clue, crew? We're going to need that camera crew up here. I just found my jacket. I'm going to need them to follow me into a gift shot. So poor old Sapp, who, man, how goddamn, how much of a goddamn ride or die red asses Sapp here?

Number one red ass. She says, in this entire thing, number one best. She says one of the most red ass sentiment. She expresses one of those red ass sentiments in the whole series to me. After being mauled by a tiger, she stated,

if I stay here in the hospital, then the media wins. The media wins. Yes. Yes. She's sitting there with one arm. It's like I showed them fucking news people. Also, it did not seem like Joe clearly had her sign some kind of don't sue me paper while she was in the hospital?

You remember that? She's like, all I remember is they asked me to sign something and I went to hold my arm up. was like, oh shit, my arm ain't there. And that was the point of it. No, no. No, her arm still, you're signing, no. No, you're right.

Her arm still worked at that point. And then she was like, what? Seven days are like, fuck that. They said it'll be two years of rehabilitation, or we can amputate it. And she's just like, well, I ain't got two years. Fuck that. Yeah, I need to get back to these tigers.

Who are going to feed these tigers? So I don't know about y'all, but it had showed Saf a couple times up until this point, and every time it shows her, you can see that she's an amputee. And of course, you're thinking, well, I bet I know what happened to that arm. And then you end up being right about that. And I had thought the same thing about another primary character,

but the director had a good sense to address this assumption. Mr. Reiki, the Merchant of the zoo, obviously is missing both legs. So we've been introduced to two amputees, assumed some things about both of them, Tigers ate parts of them. And then you find out that one of them, that did happen. So to immediately squash any assumptions, they include an interview right after this segment with SAF where Rinky says,

lot of people think tigers ate my legs. Tigers did not eat my legs. I explained what happened. I had a zip line accident, and then it shows a picture of him clearly bungee jumping. And he landed, he fell 50. feet and landed directly on his feet and obviously that caused a lot of damage he had to spend a lot of time in the ICU which corey remind everybody what i see you stands for that is the insane clown unit

which match the plane unit which matches his leg yes that's where he got the legs he had the inside clown unit uh and uh came out with these inside clown legs but he's doing all right yeah yeah no no no no no no no no no no no They didn't take his legs. You're right. Look, you're right. Here's what happened. I wanted so badly to say the insane clown unit thing that I kind of twisted the narrative a little bit.

But you're right. What actually happened is even redder. Tell him what actually happened, DJ. He walked his legs off. He did. He did. He damn sure did. That boy walked him all.

man, not getting bit, but feeding tigers, working. It was like, fuck them, I don't need them. I figure this out. Y'all got any insane clown legs up there in that clown unit? And that insane clown unit? I wanted staff and him to get matching limbs. So, God, damn bad. I figured by the end of it, she would have had that,

but she didn't pick up on it on a rig. Not her thing. I think my answer. No, no, we can still hear you. Sorry, I thought you were about to say something. Can you still, are you there? Yeah, I'm still here. Okay.

All right. Well, I was going to say, I've since learned that SAF is a they, that they are trained. And is it okay to make a transam joke since they're setting a joke? Yeah, that's fine. Says me. Says me. I just feel like that's not an insult at all. That's an honor I'm trying to bestow upon them.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's fine. Oh, yeah. There's a couple of carburetors out behind her where she's getting in a junkyard. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm actually glad you cleared that up.

Obviously, you know, I mean, it occurred to me, but I know that Sapp is referred to as she in the documentary a couple times. And, of course, I took their word as bond. These are clearly the authority. authorities on gender pronouns. Right, right. Her co-workers there, so I just roll with that. Well, I can't sit here and pretend like I brought it up for any reason. Other than to make a Transam jump, yeah.

Well, I looked at your whole outfit, really, Trey. Uh-huh, yeah. Look at the Tiger itself looks like something I want on the hood, and then that eyeball is something on the trunk. Yeah, yeah, I'm going for it. So, yeah, Rinky walked his damn legs off. How red is that? Rinky and Snaff, by the way, I think, are my two favorites.

Yeah, I like Cowie, too. I like Ricky and Cowley a lot. I like Cowie, but he ain't got as much personality, in my opinion. Do y'all not think that, and I don't know how to say this in a way that isn't absurd, but that's befitting this topic. But is it just me or is like, where Rinky is concerned, if you put aside, if you put aside, if you put a, the insane clown legs and his job and how he got the insane clown legs and the car he drives and the clothes he wears and mostly everything about him as a person.

If you put that aside, he don't seem like he'd be the way that he is. No, I know what I mean. You know what I mean. He seems like sweet and smart. Smart. He's like, yes, he doesn't. Hold on, but don't forget about the suicide pack bullet. No, I know. Right. Yeah. Dude. I'm literally I'm literally not getting past

the point of you walking your feet off at the tiger cage On the real Rinky kind of seems like that y'all know this Rinky seems like every like sound tech we've ever had Yeah yes Like that's exactly who he seems like

Just that dude I guarantee he toured with fucking ACDC Rookie definitely has a major Rodey vibe going on and Rody at professionals man He probably stabbed a couple of, like, super drunk people who were at parties and went and hid their bodies. Probably. Like, keep that guy.

What about? He'd eaten a lot of drugs when they got rolled over, pulled over, rolled over. What about when he was? He said he's eating a lot of them. When he left his wife, I stood up and cheered. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're jumping ahead now, but you're like that. Wait at this episode? No, no, no.

That's what, that's like Rinkie's like, they know mom. Like the end of the series We're showing Rinkie's wrap up. I heard of I'm not real. I listen to that radio show. But anyway, all right. So, okay. So we talked about this yesterday.

Again, one of the central themes to me, it's going to continue getting brought up. But Rinky and Saff both are yet additional examples of this thing of like the goddamn allure of these animals to people. Do you know what I'm? Like, it's crazy to me. the effect the goddamn tigers engender in people apparently.

I agree, but I want to keep pointing out. I don't want to undercut Joe Exotic too much. Right. I mean, you're right, but she clearly, I mean, he was smart in a very gross way to, like, get people in there who didn't have family, who didn't have other places to go. Well, but Carol was doing it even worse. Oh, for sure.

All right. Hey, hang on. Hold on. Let's not derail ourselves too much because that's like that whole thing is a big part of another episode. We'll hit on that at the time. So we are not now introduced, but rather reintroduced to Bhagavon. Doc Antle comes back up at this point of the episode. And of course, what other introduction will we have for him?

But he's on his elephant again. And he has a quote that goes right to the heart of what I was just saying about this whole dynamic with these people in the show. He says, and I quote, nothing is cooler, sexier, and more significant to the world today than a tiger.

Yeah. Wait, wait, what was it? The calligraphy? He says they have a primordial colligrapher. A primordial calligraph. And basically, if you don't understand that, you're a dipship. Yes. You're a broken loser.

Yes. I'm going to get, no, I mean, I'm not. That's a joke, but without joking, how many girls do you think got primordial calligraphy tattooed somewhere on their ribs or their ankles? Hold on. You mean a version of primordial calligraphy? Like, their own, like, this is my primordial calligraphy. Yeah.

Like, I bet every one of his girls got their own primordial calligraphy symbol that he's getting. Oh, they got hieroglyphics all over their asses for sure. They ain't about it. Only he can read. Yeah. look he's been brought up right now and I understand that DJ you're a pretty big fan

of Fagavan. Is that true? I'm not saying, listen, here's the whole thing about it. Now, we're going to talk about shitty people in this documentary especially. He don't hit my... He ain't a chart topper as far as shitty people goes. I feel like he's offering a service. He looked like Yanni, by the way.

was said by Mario the drug. Young him did look like. Yeah, young him looked like well, I mean, the people who have been with him have been with him for like 20 years. Right. We were saying,

we were saying on the first episode while you were in space that we basically think that he like, he's the best at this thing that all these people are. He's the most successful version and the most adept at being the thing that all of these people are.

Absolutely a coal eater. He got these girls at 16, 17 years old. They live there. He doesn't pay him. That's a cold. Okay. When that girl's dad dropped her off, right? What do you say?

Don't fall in love with a tiger man. You know what I mean? Good advice. It was great advice. It was the first thing that they said that she said when they interviewed her. I'm still in love with old bag of bond. Yeah, I'm sad. I'll always be in love with him.

I don't think you're making an argument. That's how cults work, DJ. How do you think cults work? Post work, you beat on a sunbishop and make you feel guilty in a court of law. Ain't nobody. That's the real success. Well, buddy, let me say something. Dre would leave me in a heartbeat for a tiger man.

I understand that. And when she did and joined that harem, that would be the curse. If you don't get paid. You ain't allowed to have their help. They can't even a error. It's not even a decent. They can't even leave, Andy, could you stop? Who can't leave?

Who can't leave wood? At Christmas, none of them. They can't leave at Christmas? They ain't allowed to come back to live. Has your dog ever needed medication? They can't leave at Christmas and if they do, they ain't allowed to come back. How many people have to get medication? By the way, by the way, what DJ is explained right now?

This is not people in a cult act. You hear him defending him to death? This man is defending somebody who don't pay his Christmas. He's already in the cult. defending Christmas. If I had to guess, literally no one heard a word of any of that, which is hilarious.

But DJ, again, as Drew was saying, you said a cult is when someone beats on someone and makes him feel guilty. That one woman literally said that Bagavon, like the first thing that he said to her was, you're a garbage person, and I'm going to, but I'm going to make you good.

That was her interpretation. shit. Let's tell him what she interpreted. There wasn't what he said. We don't know what he said. It all goes back. We did. Go,

no, go what? Well, he did say that she, that she, they would, they would buy her new boobs and she got a nap. Yeah,

she got titties in a nap. I know that is for everybody. But like, the point, like, yeah, I agreed to get titty so I could take a nap part of not being in a cult. Yeah.

I'm 100% just trying to hit about that. It's very fucked up. But it all is about this whole, her dad, her dad's the most precious motherfucker in this whole way. And we told her not to fall in love with a tiger, Mike. God damn tigers, fuck people up. And if you can become a tiger king, a tiger lord, then you can just reign.

Do you blame back of honor? Do you blame her or do you blame her dad? Well, her dad ain't got shit to do with it. Oh, don't fall in love with the tiger, man. Kick her out of car. That was good advice. Good luck. Good luck, not falling in love with the tiger, dude.

She made it, dude. She's back in hour. She's got her own house. That one got out. Because she had a daddy who cared to her. And she had a cool dog. But the other woman's still living with her. Yeah.

All seven of them are. Yeah. They didn't get to let them talk about. Cool names too, don't they? Don't they, don't they, Drew? Got cool. They got a great name. That he chose.

You're right, DJ. If someone chooses a name for me, it's definitely not a cult. So look, here's what we're going to do, because we've already gotten so deep into Bhagavon here, which is unsurprising. DJ, I got his phone number. You want to call him? Oh, Lord. No. I literally do not ever want to talk to anybody in that documentary ever.

Good call. Why? Because you know they're going to take you. You know you're going to end up on a goddamn tiger farm doing tiger mess. I don't want to get into it but I don't want to talk to any of those people because they got some shit I won't buddy you talk about

you talk about patient zero for a fucking tiger cult over here buddy absolutely he's already defending it and he ain't joined yet yeah you know why I'm on this side of it here let's just since we've already started doing it anyway this episode of the documentary breaks up

we revisit Bhagavon multiple times but since we're already in it Let's just keep going on Bhagabon for a minute. So he does have a harem. He's got all these different whimmers. In fact, all the people in his life who know him well cannot seem to agree on the number of whimmers that he has in his life. And that contributed to or led directly to one of my preferred quotes from the series.

We're going to play a clip of it for y'all right here. And, Joe, you're going to have to cut this. up. Yeah, and since I'm going to have to cut this up anyways, you can hear me fine, right? Because Drew sent me a message and said we were kind of quiet. Okay. I can hear you. Right. I can totally hear you, but again, I'm ear dumb. That don't mean that the audio is what it needs to be, but you sound fine to me. DJ's not a lean up. I don't know if you're just going to emphasize that I don't know. But you sound fine to me. What about now, Drew? I just turn it up. Yeah.

Well, DJ, you talk. It's not a coat. It's not a cold, people. Do like you're talking normal. Very big difference than it being a cold. He has three or four girlfriends. He has like nine wives. How many wives does talk about that's not? I don't fucking care.

That's my man right there. Fucking Cowie, dude. You talk about a man's ethos and one sound bite. That's it. Yeah. Heroin will do that to you. Yeah. Just, yeah.

He don't fucking care. He don't care. No, no. I mean, there's a, what? Do you hear that fart? I told me. Listen, so Doc also seems to not really give a fuck. He knows that this mystique surrounds him.

Matter of fact, he is a doctor of mystique, we find out. He's apparently literally a doctor of mystical science, whatever is. Yeah, mystical science is. But when it comes to his doctor, Predictable feels wives. When he comes to his doctorate and his wives, he's very clear on his opinion on it. He says, you can't get into my complex lifestyle. So that's this guy.

This is how he lives. Yeah, you can't handle his truth. No, DJ. Wait, who can't? Anybody. According to Doc, according to Bhagavon, nobody can get into his company. He was just letting off some steam. He just letting out some steam at that point.

I mean, really, I mean, it's got to be something when you got, like, and he even told him, you're trying to tell me that I made a cult. I've already been in all these questions before. I've been questioned by the cult, by the cult authorities. Yeah, he's fucking savvy about it without a doubt. Like, you know, he knows what's going on as far as, like, people trying to frame him a certain way. And he makes no, no bones about. Or what's so quick?

Putting over these people. As a matter of fact, apparently, the name Bhagavon means Lord. In one interpretation, like, if you were to read the King James Bible, would you just say, ugh? Like, that just means we can't, we can't, we can't allow Western definition. He's now a friend of God, right? It means friends of God is what he said. Yes, yes, yes.

So he, but his own son, though, his own son. Jesus. It's not just, yeah, it's not just the, the harem members who say Bhagavan means Lord. His own son kind of confirms it. He's like, yeah, no, he's, in his world, he's certainly. Hold on, DJ. No, hold on. Now, you're right.

He said it didn't mean Lord. That is exactly how cult people act. They rewrite the scriptures. First of all, second of all, I want to be clear here. I got a lot of respect for your man because. He's the only one that didn't want to get bigger than his own kingdom. And that's why he still has his kingdom. That's why he says, you know, we can't even get into my lifestyle because he's not there for the fame.

It ain't a cold. He's there for his kingdom. Yeah, which ain't a cold. Something totally different. Well, look, it's not left completely up to mystery how he has, establishes a connection with these women. It's kind of addressed directly. Apparently, he borrowed a technique from a well-known and established guru, Zen guru, with the practice of Shaktipa, which is making a spiritual connection to someone through physical touch.

And according to one of his harem members, what Doc practices is Shakti-Pa with Panis. So, you know, you can see how that works. And every single one of them came there before they turned 18. Yeah. If I was a woman growing up and I were being looking to find myself and find the fruits that were going to grow inside of me and I were looking for Shakhti Paw, how else what I find it? Other than a tiger man's dick. I hear you. I do.

Unless it was in the crept. Unless you had, we're a tiger man. I agree with that. This is where I'm getting my yoga, this is where I'm getting my yogurt tiger. I'm getting my yogurt tiger. Did you say yogurt tiger? I did say that. But I'm saying, like, if you want to do yoga with tigers and have weird sex,

where else are you going to find it? I can't disagree with you. You've got two options. If you're a man, you go Joe Exotic. And if you're a woman, you go. Exactly. But at least those options are out there. They weren't.

Yeah, but all right. We'll move on from Bhagavon for a little bit. But he continues to come up. The man is certainly. Hey, y'all can hear me, right? Yeah. It never switches to me when I start talking. but that's all right. I just want to make sure.

Yeah, there it is. Oh, just not on my. You don't, you don't. I think that happens for all of us. I feel very silly and I'm sorry. All right. So we'll definitely circle back to Bhagavon without a doubt. But moving on in the episode, we then, after the reintroduction to Bhagavon,

we find out that Joe, maybe Joe's like principal pursued as a tiger man is breeding. Joe very proudly claims that he breeds more tigers than anybody. And you know what? I, for one, believe him. And then, in my opinion, maybe the craziest goddamn fact of this entire series comes out right here

when the director asked Joe, how much does a baby tiger cost? And Joe says, about $2,000. About $2,000. Y'all, get the fuck out of here. Are you shitting me? I can't believe a fucking baby tiger. I still don't believe it.

Dude, it's insane. I think, I think, do with that? I think he knew it was and he was worried about the IRS. So, all right, so you literally don't buy it. Because I'm willing to go with you on the journey of not buying it. If he's

him paid cash, it's one of them situations where he wants to keep it hidden and he's smart and savvy enough to know not to say that on tape. It's my theory. It can't be too grand. Bro, I got two grand. I know, dude. You can buy a fucking like in pretty

good shape. Honda or whatever for fucking two grand. Yeah, yeah, but people with sets have two grand, okay? Right. People who want a tiger really don't have $2,000 laying around. That's a very salient point. Okay. Man, that's actually, that's fair.

That's really. Okay, but how come. All right, all right. The apple number one right here. Yes, but how come Mike Tyson and Shaq and people who did buy tigers, if they're only two grand, why didn't they buy ten of them? Yes. No, here's the thing.

here's the thing. DJ, I think, perfectly expressed how that price point is still prohibitive. But what he didn't explain, though, what he didn't explain, though, and you're 100% right about that, DJ. But the people who do want tigers and do have money would certainly pay well in advance of $2,000 for a fucking tiger. So why does they not cost more than? Because more people have more sense, I think,

to buy a tiger. But my point is the people who, the people who have the right like Venn diagram of amount of sense and amount of money that coincides into, I'm getting a tiger. Those people can afford

way more than two grand. Are you saying there's a whole lot? Are you saying there's a lot of people out there with $2,000 extra dollars? No, no. In fact, I'm saying the opposite. Okay, how about this? How about this?

I'm just freestyle in here, but stay with me. That wasn't karate. but here it is. It costs $2,000 for someone who gets a tiger completely untrained because they're giving it to someone who knows how to train and fuck with a tiger. Whereas if someone is giving a tiger to, let's say, Shaq or Mike Tyson,

they actually have to give that tiger to them a little later and they have to have a training process and the price would be higher because they charge for all that shit. Is that possible? It's possible, but still, as you have noted, the dogs cost $3,000 certain breeds. I cannot imagine, and it's illegal in most states. And he's got a train.

That's the whole thing. If you have the choice to buy like a cool dog to hang out with and a tiger that might fuck you up that you're going to need a trainer and goddamn a fuck ton of food and goddamn a big ass page. But DJ. But here's the thing, though. It's like like fucking high end purses or whatever. that just have like a fancy high-end name on them and that's it.

They're made out of the same materials as every other purse. Like there's literally no reason that they should cost $10,000, $15,000. But the reason they do is because it makes it exclusive and only people who are crazy and also rich can fit into your demographic. And when people are crazy and rich, you can charge way more money to do for something. Why does it? Bill Gates on a tiger? Is that a question?

No, no, Bill Gates has sense. I know, I get that. I'm saying the people that are in the market for tigers like this, it seems like you should be able to charge them way more than two grand, so why don't pay? It do seem like that. Yeah, I'm with Drew. I think Joe Exotic's full of shit.

Yeah. He's only got to sell like three a year. So it's not like, you know, he's got a very, very, I don't know, I can't say the right words, economics, but Trey, you'll do a better job of this. the supply is low and you're allowed to jack up the price when that's the case. Yeah, no, I'm actually, I, you've sold me too. I just, I cannot believe that that's true. I think that he's lined for, you know, tax purposes or whatever.

I just cannot believe that a fucking baby tiger costs only $2,000. But moving on, we now meet, I believe for the first time in the series, uh, Tim Stark, boy, this redneck motherfucker here, y'all. The monkey man. He's way more than just the monkey man, but he keeps a monkey in his shirt. He's red as hell. I've known so many Tim Starks,

they just, as DJ was kind of alluded to, they didn't have monkey money, you know, or else they'd have a monkey in the shirt. Well, Tim Stark, Tim Stark's one of them rednecks, and I met a few of these, and I don't want to get into an episode later where he comes back,

but just to make the point, those were, sometimes rednecks have way more money than you realize. Yeah. That's very true. And you can only tell by their boat or the kind of gun they have or if they own a monkey or not. He also exhibits a good example of what I consider to be like classic red-ass logic right here where he's talking about breeding tigers that being illegal or whatever because he says he's like, well, look, I mean, tigers are an endangered species? Are they not? So what do you want to do with an endangered species?

Make more of them. Duh, God, dude. It's like, if that ain't, if that ain't the prototypical redneck, like, argument, I don't know what it is. Yeah, yeah, he's just like, he's got it completely, that's it. It's black and white and orange in his mind, and it's like, this is how, you know, there's no argument to that. It sounded like a Cat Williams bit delivered not quite as professionally. well it's like the it's like it's kind of like the

Ron White bit where he's talking about if you know the cows cow's flash lunch messing up the ozone I'm eating all the fucking cows yeah how's that bad god damn you know it's like because they have

yeah but yes that is so so Tim Stark then notes that as as a an extenuation of this logic that he follows because of that in order to do his part he has purchased to quote, shitloads of tigers.

So he's doing his thing. This is part of the whole segment here where we meet a bunch of different members of the tiger community, and it's fantastic. We've talked about bugger bomb. What about how he said he's purchased shittons of tigers and we didn't see any of his goddamn tigers? No, he just saw that one monkey.

I guess some bitch was collecting rugs is what he was buying. Yeah. Yeah, no, you're right. It is weird. Maybe his tiger. And then he was like, it was like, don't tell me how to raise these tigers. How about that harem you're living with?

Yes. No, yeah. That's a little bit later, but fucking we're talking about telling me right now. No, no, no, it's all right. When everybody's talking about. It's like, I don't even teach me how to train my tigers. I need to know how he keeps them bitches in my. Yes.

It's almost verbatim what he says. He goes, I don't need you. I don't get a fuck about how to train an animal. How you got these goddamn women train like this? Get you some tigers. On that note, he is definitely, in my opinion, the whole documentary, number one I want to get drunk with, Tim. Yeah, Tim, for sure, for sure. He's not a cult leader.

No, he, he admits that. He's a monkey man. He's right. If he knew how to be a cult leader, he would. be one. He ain't got the heart for it. According to DJ, there's just no such thing as a cult, I don't think. They is, but they make good sandwiches. That's true. I feel like what DJ's kind of saying is like, look,

there's been so many cults out there that didn't have tigers. So any cult that has tigers makes enough sense to DJ that it is not a cult. I keep forgetting about the tigers. This is apparently a thing. for me on this goddamn podcast. If ever, if ever there were a come of time, I was like, hey, motherfucker, you could get

paid to come here and hang out with crazy animals and, like, just live here. Man, y'all don't think I would have done that shit? I mean, you can do it right now. They didn't, they didn't take down the dock, son. Also, DJ, the fact that you would do it does not make something not a cold.

Yeah. Shit, I can't be no cold. alien head on right now and a kimono. There's no way that's a cult. I'd do it. I just been looking for a cult. I just been looking for a cult.

No, I think what DJ is saying, correct me if I'm wrong, is in your mind a cult is like you use violence and fear more than tigers and elephants. Yeah. Yeah. More like, hey man, you can come here and live your dream with like these animals

and raise crazy exotic animals. and have a good time. It doesn't seem like it's such a bad thing. Who said that cults were a bad thing? At what point did I say cults were a bad thing? Most cults have come with a negative connotation. And no tigers. Most cults come with a negative connotation and zero tigers.

Yeah, exactly. When is the last time you heard about a tiger colt? DJ. This episode, this episode, that's the last. time I heard about one. DJ, can we at least agree, as long as you don't get the Kool-Aid out and murder everybody, it's a case-by-case basis. Hey, you're right.

Yes, absolutely. I agree, but I agree, but I just feel like if you've got to be in a cult, being a tiger cold. Yeah. No, no, big. Tigers. Yeah. You get two days off a year.

You can go ride go-carts and hang out. So, all right. So we're being introduced. to all these other members of the exotic animal world and it's a fantastic sequence. And somewhere in here after Tim Stark, we meet the man who is like seemingly the most, he seems like the most normal put together dude

in this entire docu series. And he's a dismembering drug lord from Miami. Oh, yes, Mario. Mario, he seems like he presents himself. It comes across as competitive. to all these other motherfuckers, pretty okay. So,

so okay. But this guy, he talks about, he's like, dude they're talking about how he moved drugs back in the day. One thing they used to do is they had snakes, snakes,

just cut open snakes, shove a bunch of drugs there, sell the snakes back up. And they're like, who's going to look into snake? Who the fuck is going to look at a snake? Right. Right.

Yeah. Not me. I ain't looking in a snake. Uh-uh. Hell no. Oh, some snakes came through. They'll be all right. Just push them on through.

Yeah. Hey, but didn't there, when there are a snake that they showed that had, like, stitches in the back of it? Like, are they still doing that shit? I mean, if it ain't broke. What about, what about my man just straight up cold going? Uh, yeah, you know, I didn't pull the trigger, but I was there when they

He's so cavalier about all the stuff Because he made it Double Jeopardy Also a big part of it I think is like He's like low key flexing Throughout that whole segment about being actual scarface Absolutely Yeah he's like he's like

He's like shitting on Scarface Cause he's like yeah I did that carrying His bags of money into a bank I didn't use a fat guy I did it my goddamn cell He goes He goes, I called ahead Like, yeah, I'm not a fucking idiot Like when I'm funneling money through a bank

I'm gonna call him. I'm not a moron. Bro, I'm putting cocaine in cobras. You think I'm on some fucking around shit? He said. I had manners. I call ahead to the bank. But Drew,

Every snakes die. But the thing The thing you were talking about, Drew, about him talking about killing and dismembering a federal agent or whatever. The way he talks about it goes beyond just, it's so casual, but he also is like,

he seems a little indignant about it still because he says he's like, after describing it in detail, he's like, I didn't even do most of that stuff. But I still have to carry the stigma for it for the rest of my life. And it's like, yeah, man, you do. That's how different.

And the thing is you get to carry that stigma on the outside. You're lucky as fuck. Well, dude, it's like that old saying about like if you're going to kill people, kill millions. If you're going to steal money, still millions. Like if you do crime on such a huge, he invented a criminal stereotype. That's how he got out in 10 years. It's like if you get caught selling drugs in the corner, we put you away forever. But if you literally invent Scarface, out of respect almost, it seems like,

society's like, all right, man. Yeah, you do 12. So he had two quotes that I liked for different reasons. He had one of my favorite quotes in the series. I know I've said that a lot, but there's a lot of them. When he's talking about, he's talking about how he got into animals in the first place. And he's talking about the animals he had when he was younger. And so he's like, he's in the middle of this.

And he goes, so that was my second animal. Then for my third, there was this guy that got killed by lines. So I got those lines. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yes. Started out with three great days, went on to a cougar, then went to a lamb-eating lion.

Yes. So there was this guy that got killed by lines, so I got those lines. Yeah. And then I got a tiger from a lady that was keeping it on a house boat illegally. And it's just everything is so insane about it. But this reminded me of a great joke

from Anthony Jeslick, where he's talking about Anthony Jeslick at this joke in one of his earliest album. where he's like, I started riding a motorcycle and my mom was really upset about it because of how dangerous it is, she sat me down and she says, Anthony, my brother, my only brother,

died horrifically in a motorcycle accident. So, you know, I could just have his motorcycle. I don't have to buy him. Imagine that sale, that conversation, you're trying to deal with your father's estate who died tragically, when his lions ate him. You don't know how you're going to come up with the money

and a savior comes to pay for the funeral in the form of, I'd like to buy your father's murderers from him. And you're like, thank God you came today because tomorrow, my brother and I were going to shoot them in the face. Well, I mean,

there's got to be some level of you being like, yeah, he shouldn't have owned some fucking tigers. For sure, but I'm talking about how quick. It's not a tiger's fault. Nobody's blaming the tigers or the lines here. What I'm saying is he had to act quick.

If your dad gets eaten by his pet lions, somebody's getting involved. The government, a crazy uncle who's like, fuck that. They killed my lonely brother. Like, he immediately, he read about that and immediately was like, hey, I need them. I know exactly what you're saying, Drew. It's like, like you said, if you're dealing with your dad's estate because he got killed by his own lines, you're in your mind. You're like, goddamn, these lines are going to be a problem.

What am I going to do with these lines? And then Scarface shows up. Yeah. And it's like, I would love. to take those lines for you. This joke is, this analogy may not land, but it's like, it's like the Jaguars and Nick Foles. Like, they signed Nick Foles, and he very getting hit.

And you know, they were like, oh, fuck, we are stuck with this. And then the Chicago Bears swooped in, like, we would love that. We know it's dumb. We're dumb. Give us that. Yeah. Yeah. And got a good deal.

Got a great deal. Because the other people were just like, we just want this fucking insane thing that killed our dad gone. Gone. Yeah. So, I bet there's a lot of people who feel Nick Fools

killed their dad that probably is a thing. Yeah. It's probably a lot harder for the lady that had the Jaguar on her houseboat. There probably some,

what is that late? Not when Scarface shows up. I know, man. How do you know that lady got arrested for having a jaguar on her houseboat?

You're right. It's the same thing, actually. She gets called for having to tag her on her houseboat. and she's like, oh my God, what am I going to do about this?

And then this father's the first of her shows up like, I know exactly what you're going to do about it. Yeah, it's a me. It's a big. It's a big. It's a guy out of face. So, no, he's his name is Mario. I thought he was Cuban.

I know, but his name is Mario. My bad. And for Macheau. I didn't know his name was Mario. I'm an idiot. I blew it. So, um,

and my other, my other favorite quote from Mario, because it goes, back to that central theme of this whole thing. Almost every major character in this thing has some version of this quote. But after describing all these scarface

antics, he literally went through. He says, I was selling drugs to support my animal habit. Yeah. Yeah. And it's true for these motherfuckers. The effect that these goddamn animals has on these people, I can't, I can't

stress it enough. It's insane because you know he means that. Did we mean? his wife this episode? Yes. She's the one who brings up Doc Antel's doctorate and mystical science and his lives. The lights are on but there's nobody home with

that one. When she started showing them monkey outfits Oh yeah. And she said, she literally said, yeah, they're like my kids. I kind of love them more than my kids. And then she laughed in a way that chilled me to my bone. Her kids saw this documentary. Dude, Bhagavon

said a version of the same thing. That's another thing. if Joe had kids, I'm sure he said the same thing. Bhagabon said something at one point. It's like wives, children, they all can't handle coming in second place to the tigers, but that's just how it is. How weird do you think his son is? Like, he's weird to be around. He has seen some shit, y'all.

If he's even remotely normal, then fucking good for him. Yeah, right, right. Yeah, I don't know how this is going to sound, but he's got one of them faces of, like, a dude who's definitely into, Is it docking penises? Is that what it was called? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I feel that's a really niche thing,

but I feel like that dude's definitely into fucking docking penises. That might have been where his dad got his name the first time. Yeah, he's not a doctor or a doc. I like to dock penises. Man, you've got to bed through a lot of sexual, weird, sexual experiences to get into docking penis. I'm going to stick my dick in your dick. So we then circle back to the star of the show, Joe Exotic,

with a segue in which Joe Exotic says about the dismembering homicidal inspiration for Scarface, well, everybody's got a past. He's always treated me with respect, so I for him with respect. Then we get back into Joe's whole deal, and we talk about, you know, he's got his own little harem going because Joe has two husbands, and we see their wedding, and it's a very, you know, very special occasion. and he's like, this is another example of like casual polygamy with like a three gay wedding, don't even register as wild.

No. In this thing. You're just watching like, oh, finally something normal, a wedding. And it's a goddamn tiger lord married to two straight men, you know, and you don't even care. It was as far as being a gay wedding goes, it was kind of a downer. You know what I mean? Like they got a quilt and like. Well, buddy.

They all dressed up. I mean, like, ain't nobody. Like, ain't nobody. There was no. They're just like, nobody was just sitting there publicly fucking each other's butts. I don't understand how that's a gay wedding. Hold on.

I think he means, like, you think of a gay wedding. You want big. Yeah, this was a redneck wedding. I've been to that wedding that they had 3,000 times. It just made, I have three dudes. But I had three dudes in there. Yeah. I've been to that wedding.

I've been to that wedding. And, Trey, you said something that's revealed later, but you already said it about them being straight. Oh, they got a quilt with their face on me. Yeah, they did get that quilt. Did bisexuals just not exist in Oklahoma, according to the people who were, because those dudes were gay,

and then you find out they're straight, and no one ever was like, yeah, they suck dick and they fuck girls. Like, I don't. But, like, I do think there's a difference. I mean, I get the, like, gay for pays a thing. Right.

I know that, and I'll buy that on the tall one, but that one with the top-kniton ponytail and the pink gun, and he got my man's tattoo over here. did? Yeah. Like, No, I'm with you.

I'm stereotyping, but I think they showed a Joe Exotic video, like a music video. Is that the first one? No. Hell now. It's like the seventh one. Well, I guess my thing is like,

I don't know, man. Tell me if I'm wrong here, but like, I can sort of wrap my head around taking a dick in the butt. Yeah. Some meth. Yes.

And talkers. But when they kissing each, when he's kissing him on mouth. I'm like, I'm like, no, man,

you seem like like you wanted to do that. Like, I wouldn't even wear a Tennessee jersey just to make

one of y'all happy. This dude's fucking making out with like, it's the tigers. These guys are not gay. They're gay for tigers.

That's why I don't want to talk to any of these people. They've obviously got the best drugs ever. And they got tigers. Like, how are you going to win?

How are you getting away? A person like me is susceptible. I am big old dicks. Big old dicks. By the way, not his first and second husband. Second and third husband. His first husband preceded the documentary, was also supposedly straight and is now in prison for allegedly, well, I guess not allegedly, because he went to prison for it,

molesting a girl. And he looked like a mix of them. I mean, he was said to have had a lot of sexual trauma when he was a young kid. So like if we're going to talk about how like there's a weird thing that happens with people who are victims where they kind of are able to make other victims feel more comfortable with themselves at the same time using something. I mean, you can say it's a cult. You're describing a call. It's a way to lure them in with shared emotion. I don't think I don't think Joe Exotic was doing anything.

No, he just had that's a big old butthole. And tigers. And tigers. Why do we keep glossing over the goddamn? No, what I was trying to find love. He didn't know if some boys was gay or straight. And those boys were confused. They were all confused.

They had a hard time. You can't blame it on the delums. All right. I'm not going to argue with you. You'll never convince me, though, that the first husband in the documentary with the ponytail ain't at least bisexual. You'll never convince me. No, I'm actually, I'm with you on that.

I agree. Well, he did say, and this is after they'd been apart for a while, he said that Joe Exotic is the one that taught him how to love and how to care. I mean, that's fucking gay as shit. Hold on. You might suck a dick on just a whim. You know what I'm saying? You might.

You might. Property of Joe Exotic. Right. Tattooed. And that hurts. That's a hurdy place. That's a herty place. You might grab a property.

I got a hurt you. I got on a whim, but you're not going to get a whole tattoo. Like, what is it, like six words? You're not going to get like six words on your penis area. Your gun. It was four. Four. DJ, did the devil give you a bunch of tigers for your tattoos that you got?

Or how did that word? Did the devil give me that? I'm saying, like, you know, I don't like, I feel like some people don't. need a whole lot of like justification to have some wild ass tattoos. You know what I'm saying? Like you said you might suck a dick on a whim and I agree with you. But I think there are people who might also get it. I agree completely. You might just get a winner. But I, but I think there are some people who will also get a tattoo on a whim. You know what I mean? When you combine the dick sucking with the tattoo and the whim and the love and the marriage, all that. That's what you get.

I guess what DJ's saying is. It seems very awesome when you say it like that. If you suck a couple dicks and you're not gay, you're thinking in your mind, well, one day I won't have to do this anymore and I'll get up out of here. But like getting the tattoo of property of Joe Exotic, like, you know, that's that's there and that's gay. Property of. Yeah, you was in it. What does property of, Corey?

Yeah. What does property of sound like? That's the text of this is probably, Evan. All right. So we're about to now get into something that has almost come up multiple times because I know we all want to talk about it. And then shortly after that, we'll be towards the end of the episode. But we get back in to Carol's ass here at this point in the episode.

So Carol, you know, in the first episode, she's talking about how immoral this all is with them breeding tigers and all this shit. Meanwhile, she got all these tigers and cages herself. And in this episode, He's putting Joe on blast talking about how he runs labor camps, right? Like he's exploiting these people who don't have any better option. And they're indentured servants to him, basically. And I mean, I don't know how else to put it.

So I just put it to you boys like this. Who the fuck this bitch think she is? I ain't, man. She ain't shit. Because we then find out right after that that Carol's staff is entirely made up of volunteers, 76 of them, and it's not a casual volunteer situation. You've got to volunteer hours a day for days on end to get a better colored shirt. Yeah, not only that, she's like, oh, you know, sometimes I won't even see them or notice who

they are until like year seven. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. And also, like, oh, my brain just went completely. I just, I had a thing. and then I looked over and I seen DJ with a squid hat on and it completely just threw me for a look. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, this is what it is. She's a disgusting human.

She is a disgusting human, but like a lot of times in documentaries, like, yeah, you can see where like someone can go, oh, man, that's not exactly what I meant. They took me out of context. Like, if they edit, you can edit anything. But it's like, what was she thinking, like, oh, I sure hope they don't use exactly what I said, like 100% of what I said.

Yeah. Like, she just sounds, she's, contradicted within her own sentence without fucking cuts and shit like that. I guess is what I'm saying. Like there's no editing manipulation. Like every single thing that she says continues to contradict the last thing she said. Fuck this bitch. We don't even know, and this is kind of what you're getting at,

it's not even processing her how big of a hypocrite she is. Right. Not at all. They don't know. That's what he's saying. It's like she don't even like in the same breath. She's like tigers do not belong in cages. we have them in cages

so that they will dive comfortably in this cage. What the fuck are you talking about? Right. Yeah. It's like Joe Exotic has a labor camp. He only pays his people $100 a week to be miserable. My people work for free and love it.

Yeah. That I fish up out of the internet. She literally does a process. Uh-uh. And then her whole, and then her whole shit fucked up. Dude, you brought up her being on the internet. Like, look, I'm going to be on.

I'm going to get personal. here for a minute. I couldn't I can't handle this y'all like I know look and I know I've been getting on to everybody for discounting the tigers this whole time. I know that she got tigers. I know she got tigers

but like Carol is just so so so much bigger than me on the internet and so much bigger bigger than all of us and fucking look at this shit

that she is putting out. Look at this. Here we go. People see them in the jungles in the forest on the plains and you can feel their spirits. People see that logo and they know who we are. The first thing they'll say is, I love your videos. We get that.

Everywhere we go. That was the worst video of the whole thing. That wasn't no char-topper. Hell no, it wasn't a goddamn char-tomper. And they're sitting there holding, they're sitting there holding the hands like, oh, look at it. Look at it. You know what I did.

Trey, what she had on her side, because she couldn't sing like Joe, she wasn't as cool as Joe, and she's not as wild and mystical as Doc, but she was right. She was righteous. And I mean, you know, you know what that's like. I do.

But now, but now that this, I guarantee you're, he's hemorrhaging money and views right now. Well, okay. So on that point, yeah, you're right. I actually wanted to ask y'all what, like, fucking why, aside from just the tiger, but it's, it's this righteousness. But how come everybody is just gone with it up until the point that this came out? Like she just says it. Think about it.

It logically, it makes sense. ostensibly she's selling to these people, I would never put a tiger in a cage. But once you put a tiger in a cage, you can't let it out into the wild because it doesn't know how to survive there. So I will save these tigers from these monsters who put them in cages.

And then I'll have to keep them here, but I do a better job of it. Well, who's to say she's not doing a better job? We now see the shitty cages, et cetera, et cetera. But if you're just watching on Facebook, you've got this blonde hippie lady talking about how she just loves cats and she goes to, I mean, she is

ostensibly, she's like one of those politicians, right wing or left wing, when you find out that a Republican sucks dick of men, sucks men's dicks in bathrooms, or you find out that like a liberal person, sucks the dicks of men. This man's out here sucking the dicks of men. He's out here sucking the dicks of men.

He ain't sucking women's dicks. He's sucking the dicks of men. They never do that. See, that's one way they're not hypocritical. They wouldn't suck a woman's, dick. No, they ain't got the balls to suck a woman's dick. Or you find that a legal politician doesn't pay

their gardener. Yeah, no, no, I mean, dude, you're right. But it fucking bothers the shit out of me, though, which I mean, it's supposed to, you know, but I can't stand how she's so effectively been able to pull this off because the whole time, you're just

like, who she thinks she is? And so that leads to, that leads to the end of this episode, which to me is like for me watching it, I personally felt like the reveal at the end of this episode was the point where this series kind of elevated, like kind of transcended to another level when they make the reveal that there is a very well-circulated rumor

that Carol murdered her first husband with tigers and fed him to the tigers. Her second husband. Sorry, second husband. For his money. No allegations of him beating on her just for his money. And like I just, because I don't know about y'all. I mean, everybody in this is insane.

I know that she don't hit for these like kind of almost like, like, like you said, Drew, like almost like white politician ways of not hitting. You know what I'm saying? like this classic fucking exploitative I got money and you don't wipe privilege version of like getting your way and fucking everybody else over I do all suck in the dicks of men and I knew she was doing all that

and that didn't hit but I for one did not see this shit coming and as soon as it came up I was like fucking what She ain't out there And then feeding them to tigers, apparently. I mean, how did y'all feel about this? Oh, I mean, I felt vindicated. I mean, it definitely didn't seem par for the course, even in this, like, in this whole situation as well.

I mean, that was like initially my thing. Like, as I said, each time you think you've seen the wildest thing ever, here comes another thing. But, yeah, as you said, that went from like, oh, I thought this was wild to, oh, no, turns out that that was wild too. like, whoa, what is this show even about anymore? Holy fucking shit.

If I see a motherfucker on the internet talking about, yeah. Wow. That's all right. It's my action figures. I knocked the murder. Carol's first husband. She didn't stop my dick, neither. Yeah.

That was the rock, baby. Where's my camera at? Yeah, baby. Yeah, if I see a mother over on the internet talking about, I just saw the first episode of Tiger King. I don't understand what everybody is. talking about it's like no shit you don't motherfucker. I'm like, god damn.

No, I'm still think that motherfucker is being a dip shit and trying to be too cool for school because I don't care if you just saw the first episode. If you say, I saw the first episode Tiger Mess and I for one don't get it, I'm like, yeah, well, of course you don't. Oh, yeah. You professionally don't get things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But also, the second episode is where it really, like I could see almost not like, okay, so here's, thinking to yourself, okay, here's a group of people who are just banging each other and living with tigers. You know, why do I need to say that? But when that fucking murder, her feeding her husband, and then you also already know at that point that he's in jail. Oh, yeah. You're thinking to yourself like what kind of fucking menaceery has just.

I thought that was an interesting choice to open up with him being in jail. But no, I agree. And also I agree with it. You said, Trey. At this point, like, I know that a lot of times something being popular don't always mean it hits. But every now and then, the whole 50 million Elvis fans can't be wrong shit just is the thing. And this is one of those situations.

Like, this ain't no fucking Emperor's New Clothes bullshit. Like, this shit does just hit. I saw a take where somebody was like, I just don't understand why people enjoy watching people who are horrible. You know, I'm just feeling sorry for the Tigers the whole time. and I'm like, man, I think you're up your own ass. But I know there are people. You could be sucking the dicks of men.

But I know there are people who love animals so much they can't look at that. But even then I'm kind of like, yeah. But my brother used to faint when he had to get shots because he's afraid of needles. But when he got addicted, buddy, you best believe he was shoving them shits right in his veins. At some point, you've got to get over it. Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, I don't understand why people like. like looking at fucking horrible people.

Are you fucking shitting me? Do you watch TV? Do you even own a TV? Dude, multi-billion dollar industry. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not saying it's good that that's how our brain works, but like you can't just, like, and they all lived happily ever after it.

That only works for fucking six and seven-year-olds. Get the fuck out of here. I just realized the reason people like watching people who are horrible than them is the same reason she sent that tweet to feel better than everybody. Absolutely. Absolutely. At least I ain't as bad as that motherfucker right there. All we're looking for as people is at least I ain't that motherfucker.

Yep. All right. Let's bring in Mark. Joe, send Mark the thing. And is this the next episode? No, no, it's a, this will be the end part of this episode. We're not going into the next episode yet. Oh, I'm an idiot.

Obviously, this will be cut out. Okay. The idea, though, is that when we have a guest, we bring them in at the end. Yeah, okay. So Mark is going to talk about episode two, but specifically, I think Bhagavon, because Mark apparently grew up where Bhagabon has mess at or something. Yeah. But anyway, Mark's been texting this, so, I mean, he should be expecting that show,

so just hit him with it, and he should be here shortly. But, yeah, we'll hit with Mark for a minute, and then we'll call it a day, because I got that other thing at 6th. But the rest of these days, though, we're going to try to do too. I got to be up at 6, 5 o'clock in a morning and go watch motherfigures so they don't steal from the Don Niro truck. Let them. You just going to let him?

He's going to let him. He just has to bear it. No, yeah, right. I say he's not. Let him. Yeah, yeah. There ain't no question about that. Anyway.

What's up? What's up, Mark? Mark. Mark. Mark. Mark. Mark. Mark.

Hey, fellas. I didn't know we were dressing up for this. This is a video podcast? Yeah. Yeah. I didn't dress it up. I don't want to touch you. You look great.

Okay. Okay. All right. I mean, if you got something you want to put on, go ahead. Yeah, the other day, I made them pause because I forgot to, you know, line my food man up. So we'll wait on you, dude. I didn't know. Yeah.

Let me grab a t-shirt. I didn't know you did the food man. I mean, got nothing else to do. Yeah. Like, there's nothing to live for. Might as well, shave. Shame. So while Mark is putting on a shirt with sleeves, I'll go ahead and...

Yeah, weird choice. Yeah, he needs to just take a shirt off. But this is Mark Aegee, everybody, friend of the primary podcast, the World Red podcast and a friend of us in general. Great, great dude comedy writer out here in L.A. And also, as I understand it, has at least something of a personal connection to something Bhagavon related. It's, yeah, I think, I don't know. Let's just ask the man himself.

Mark, I got a problem. I don't understand how you saw what we were dressed up as and was like, oh, shit, I better go put on sleeves. It was a, I don't know, man. I'm just shy. I don't know. leave that whole first part in so uh so yeah um part of doc annals back story i guess like they mentioned the first episode but he grew up as a traveling cowboy and i guess doing rope tricks or some shit as a kid and then he went to uh he he joined this uh lived a yogaville for a while

which is in buckingham county virginia which is where i'm from um if you're not familiar with yogaville which why would you read? It's this, I don't know if it was describing as a cults fair. We called it a cult, but of course we were Southern Baptist, everything's a cult. The guy who founded it,

so he's kind of named Swami Satchan. I can't want to fuck it up, but I'm not, Swami Satchan Nandada. Yeah, that's close enough, I think. But he was a guy who gave the opening invocation at Woodstock in like 1960,

whenever that was. And then he went on to be like a spiritual advisor to like Lord Dern and Jeff Goldblum and Rivers Cuomo and also be accused of a lot of sex crimes so Doc Anil gets it honest. So what, hang on. So you like, Yogaville was like also in the general area that you grew up in. Yeah,

it's like, my mom's house, yeah. Right, but like you ain't grow up in Yogaville. No, no, but what was the,

what was the like, what was everybody, you know, what was the, uh, general consensus on Yogaville as someone growing up there with it around at the time. Well, they didn't interact with the outside community very much except for like, like they would do yard work and stuff, but you make the checks out straight to Yogaville

because nobody had any possessions. You know how that worked. And then so like, but like you hear stories about it. Like apparently when you drive in there, the road switches over to the other side. So you can go like drive around it if you want. I don't know why they do that, but they do. my buddy I don't know why I just came

with a Christmas at one party I was into and this buddy of a buddy of mine as a state trooper was telling his story about he did a car accident he had to handle a car accident out by Yogaville somebody crashed a car into a tree

and he goes up he goes to the people who live there and it's like okay well whose car is this they're like well we don't have possessions so nobody owns the car but I got a fucking name on the report man so that's what I'm up

Drew how does that chime in on that as a logger how's that hold up Oh, that don't. No way. They'll charge you with whatever happened and line. They'll charge you with all kinds of shit. Fraud.

But they could also just look up who the car belongs to. So, okay, so Yogaville is where Doc Ansel sort of like came into his own, I take it. Like he studied under this guy. This is the guy he got shocked apart from, right? That he then innovated by making it his dick that transfers it? Yeah. Yeah. apparently that's where he got his

doctorate in mystical science. Yeah. He says he got it in China, but yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know where you have to go to China to get a fake degree or not. Yeah, it feels right around a corner. Yeah. So you brought up being the, like, is this a cult or not? That's actually been an ongoing debate on this episode of this podcast

about whether or not Bhagavon runs a cult or not. or whether any of these, whether any of these are cults, DJs have the opinion, this is not a cult. It is not a cult. Seems to me like because they got tigers, which hit, so it makes it not a cult. I'm not entirely sure on DJ's perspective, but do you, how do you rank the cultness of this whole situation?

Well, like, I know less about, like, I, after Tiger Kang, because I got curious about Yoga Bo, because it became more concrete reality to me instead of a, this is abstraction down the road. But I, so, yogaville is on cult people's radar, like that one of those anti-cult crusaders. Like, people have these lawsuits against YogaVo because their kid will go stay there for a yoga retreat. And then say, actually I'm marrying this guy who's 40 years older than me. I met two weeks ago and I can't leave.

And so buy family forever. And then the parents are hired a private investigator and fight out this 40-year-old person that they know a Swabby Montech or whatever is really. name's Larry. So, like, there are some cult-like aspects to it. So that's what Doc came up in, and he now has five wives. And one of them who left says it's a cult, I feel like it's a decent argument, at least. Yeah, I mean, you know, hell yeah. DJ, would you like to retort?

Well, I ain't nobody said that about Doc, had they? Yes. Yeah. Who said it was a sexual, who said there was a sexual, The woman who left, who you said was like, but I still love him, which is exactly what it. She still loves him. Right.

Again, which is what a person. She was like she never had sex with him. She just got the boobs so she could take a nap. It seemed like things kind of were. Yeah, I don't know. It's hard to have like, I don't know, you've got to have some really powerful religion to convince women to let you have five other women.

And apparently one of those really powerful religion is that of tigers. Yeah. Like the effect that tigers have on people, Mark, like what do you think about that? Like, it runs throughout. That thread permeates this whole series, the insane intoxicating effect that big cats apparently have on people. Where do you stand on that? Well, two things. One, I think you have a good case because it got the scarface due to rebuild rehabilitate his life.

So that's one thing. But I think it might be a selection bias thing because you have to be really fanatical about tigers in order to have one in the first. first place, otherwise you're not paying $10,000 a year to feed a giant cat that could kill you. So it might go the other way around. I don't know. Would you, how do you, I mean, like, okay, let me ask you this. And this specific scenario doesn't go up to a later episode, but just while we're talking about the effect tigers have on people, let's say you and your wife are hanging out

in a casino in Las Vegas. And some dude comes up and says that he has a baby tiger that you can go hang out with and he shows you pictures of it and everything. Like, you, let's just say you have the genuine. opportunity to go chill with a tiger, what are you going to do? Tiger cub. Let's chill with a tiger. Yeah, absolutely.

Right, of course. Everybody can understand that. But the baby tiger, if he's like, it's like like hangover, the hangover is like a 400, like a 600 pound tiger. I'm not going to the hotel room. Yeah, fuck that. Yeah. Yeah, I want to hang out with a tiger cub right now.

It's just that I feel like I have enough sense that after I pay his tiger and do his drugs, I'm getting the fuck out of there before I see his old weird. balls. Like, that's not on my agenda. By his old lady, his old lady was super hot, though, so I might hang around. Yeah, yeah, dude, it's what I'm saying. If your wife's like, man, and you're like, I was going to say, the more I think about it,

it's really anything to do it with the old balls. I get a hang of with Laura, so, yeah, maybe I would. You know what? I'm a tiger swinger. You know what you would, you like. I want to have got on Doc Cantell's couch. Come on where I know he's big dog's balls. Speaking of which, like, how is it the Carol who murdered her husband?

has the most normal marriage. Does she murdered the guy before? Like, what's his dude to do? He ain't trying to get fad to the tigers. Did he get married photos? He dressed up like a caveman and then got on a leash. That ain't know. But it's still the most normal compared to the guy with six wives and the other guy.

Oh, right. You know? That guy's weird, man. That is weird. So, Mark, give us your, you know, We're trying to do this episodically, so trying not to go too far beyond episode two, which where we are at right now. But with that in mind, how did you feel about this whole thing, this new, you know,

factor in the cultural Zagos that is Tiger King? How did it affect you? I mean, like, I think people are watching this two different ways, right? Because, like, I don't know about you, but I watch it. And I'm like, I know, like, a bunch of people that would have been Joe Exotic if they had the budget for it, right? Yeah. Because he's just doing, you know, what do you call it?

Where you, where you, uh, conspicuous consumption, right? He's flexing. It's like, instead of riding a boat on Instagram, like, what the redneck does,

you get a bunch of big guns, you get a big truck. You get like the meanest, uh, pure bread hound, right? He just got the idea to upgrade to a tiger. That's all he did.

Yeah. Um, but other people seem to, like, like he's a zoo animal. I feel like, you know, I feel like I'd hang out with that dude.

I don't know. Well, do you feel any kind of way about, you know, how this reflects upon our people, that being white trash Americans? Well, I mean, like, I just remember I was thinking about a couple years ago, the, I don't you remember this woman got caught, she had a tiger in a one-bedroom apartment in New York, and it was like a national news story, right? Meanwhile, this guy's had 300 tigers in Oklahoma for years, and people would drive by and like, that's Joe walking his tigers. I think it shows how tolerant are people are, as well I said. Very, yeah. Great. I got a question for you, Mark.

Oh, sorry, go ahead. I was going to say, speaking of tolerance, I watched, when I rewatched episode two before this, it opens with the trans man getting his arm bitten off after he reaches into the tire cage, right? And when they call 911, they use the correct pronouns, right? But then when they show the news clip, the news misgenders him as her. I just want to say Joe Exotic is more woke than the so-called liberal news media. Hey. The news media who he did not let win by getting his arm amputated.

All right. My question, and this is the opposite of woke. My question, Mark, so you just mentioned that national news story. There was a national news story out of Miami. I mean, the guy had a hyena living in a one-bedroom apartment. And we, my office, when I was a public defendant down there, we defended him when he got arrested for that. It wasn't my case, but like, you know,

everybody in the office was talking about it. He was a muscled up South Beach young gay man, like he was a party boy. At first I was like, oh, it's like white trash people want tigers. Maybe it's like sexually exploratory people or just gay men. who are attracted to these big animals. And I know, like, Jeff's not gay, but he isn't sexually, quote, unquote, normal.

No, no, when he was shopping for hot babysitters with his wife, but that was a pretty clear education. I mean, Sigfried and Roy are an argument in your favor, I think. He brought them up, yeah. Okay, but what about, I think there's just a certain class of person that transcends race and sexuality and all that, that just, they tigers hit for them. Because what about, we brought it up on a previous episode, but Mark, rappers, too many rappers to name.

Shack, Mike Tyson, fucking love tigers. Fuck with Tiger's heart. Oh, professional wrestling. Oh, sorry. I'll say that all the professional wrestlers that showed up on Doc's Instagram. Like that. Yeah. It's just something about a tiger.

It's a gypsy feedback up zone. Yeah, I mean, L.A. County had, I remember like last year, Tiger had a title. and they took it away. Yeah. Yeah. Well, checks out. So,

all right, well, thanks for joining us, but you got any parting tiger thoughts? I do want to say, first of all, shout out to Carol.

They showed a couple documents on that episode and she refused to capitalize Doc. Like, he doesn't deserve her. I enjoyed that little, that very little Meg,

only on Carol's paperwork. And I had something else I learned about Doc. Doc appeared in the VMAs. He was on stage of Britney Spears and did that slave video. And he did animal training for Ace Ventura. Not the good one like the third one. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, you've summed it up. All right. That's fucking Mark Aegee, everybody. Thank you, Mark. Thanks everybody for listening. We'll see you next time on the episode, whatever, of Tiger by the Tail. Yeah.

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