wellRED podcast - Tiger By The Tale #5 - Make America Exotic Again!

Episode Date: April 14, 2020

Wherein we explore the circumstances behind Joe Exotic’s admittedly less inexplicable failure as a politician. Good buddy, comedian and tiger expert Dr. Tushar Singh joins us for a Racial Roundup (of his devising).

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well in wood Oklahoma's where we meet our tiger king he's got them monkey champs and tiger cubs the key thing he's seen he's got all his meth head buddies and they're all working for free serving cheap to tino's beat a cover and rock the Walmart meet. Then, of course, there's old Doc Cantor for tigers made him rich. And don't forget about Carol Baskins, man, we fucking hate that bitch.

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And this is probably the most aptly titled of the entire series. As soon as I saw it, I was like, oh shit, I think I know where this is going to go. And it goes there, not necessarily immediately. We open up on Doc Antle having a birthday party for his chimps. They've got like minion decorations and shit. And then one of the cameraman says, I don't even know what a champ's birthday party would look like. And Doc says, oh, sure you do. It's like any other five-year-old's birthday party.

The champs will sit around and be ridiculously happy. And if you get too close to them, they'll bite your fucking finger off. We've all been to that party. There's monkeys wearing boxing gloves and punching shit and streaming, streamers everywhere. Then we cut back to Joe's place where Jeff has thrown a party. And basically, it's just a bunch of shitload of tigers biting and chewing the shit out of balloons. And then we hear Joe in a voiceover say,

Jeff has conned everyone because he is jealous. He is a little man with a little dick and a limp, and he's bald, don't hit, and he has to pay everyone, and he has to pay everyone to have sex with him. This guy's done more criminal shit going on than you can imagine sooner or later he's going to be in jail. So we start off with our man Joe cutting a promo

on Jeff, who we had just met, it seemed, coming to the rescue in the last episode. You ever been to any kind of monkey party? I mean, I haven't, but... No, I haven't. I'm ashamed to say I haven't. Yeah, it would hit, right? It would hit.

I'm upset that I haven't been to monkey parties. I mean, you know they'll be having monkey parties out here, surely, in L.A. I bet there's a bunch of monkey, but... I mean, maybe not now. Monkeys got a social distance, too, but, like... Is that real? You can't hang out with your monkey? No, I didn't hang out with monkeys.

They're fine. Really? Okay, because I know that dogs and stuff can't get it, but like monkeys are very close to us. Now, you got to fuck them to spread them that way, remember? Oh, yeah, that used to be a whole thing. Yeah. So we see Saf, our favorite one-armed amputee,

um, transgender feller, uh, who comes out and says, basically as soon as Jeff got involved with the park, the whole dynamic and attitude change. He didn't clean cages, didn't do work, didn't feed the animals. And also Jeff apparently fired everyone as soon as he got there. and to quote John Rinky, and again, I'm quoting John Rinky here, he called him all a bunch of faggots and started up a bunch of shit. So Drew, that all tracks.

Every bit of that tracks. I think you're pretty immediately correct about Jeff and your assumption of him. Doesn't this sound like something the boring piece of shit affliction guy would say? Yes. But also that particular quote was not about Jeff. It was about Jeff's lackey. No, it wasn't. We don't meet, we don't meet a word.

Because now that we meet Alan after this, yes, who you're talking about? I'm 99% sure that was about the arrival of Alan. I thought, I also thought it was about Jeff, but I don't remember. I'm not the one who has the notes for this episode. Well, while we're at it, let's see. I'm sure they both called everybody. Yeah. At what point did one night?

No part of me is defending Jeff right here. I just thought that's why Alan had done. Yeah. If I'm not mistaken, this is the first time that a homophobic slur has been said. Am I wrong? It is. No, you're not wrong. No, you're not.

Yeah, because I think that I would have immediately noticed that. Yeah, like Drew was alluding to, one of Jeff's first moves is to hire his buddy Alan to take care of the park and be his handyman, even though by his own admission, Alan has never even been to a goddamn zoo. So like we're in another one of these situations where like Joe, well, no, that's just skipping ahead. But like, this motherfucker comes in, wearing his affliction, driving his truck. And then he's like, you know who I'm going to get to run this place? A motherfucker than I ever been to a zoo. Drew, what was your first immediate thought when you saw Allen?

This would be like if they let DJ run a school. That's what I thought. Yeah, but DJ. DJ heads at that. DJ had, DJ, DJ, ain't you ran a school? DJ ran a school. I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, I think that when he showed up, here's what I thought. I was like, oh, he that kind of handyman.

Yeah, me too. Right. That's what I thought also. My first honest thought was it reminds me of my brother in not a good way. Yeah, he's the handyman. He shows up and it's like, oh, yeah, handymen. They do all the jobs you don't want to do. Exactly.

Right, exactly. Every rich, every rich motherfucker, especially rich old boys, like, has them one where I'm from, like, any of the dudes that, like, in the community is like, oh, yeah, they own a bunch of property. They're rich. They've always got this dude who, like, you've never even seen him do the handiwork it is he supposedly does. Like, I'm sure that every now and then he'll go fix an old lady's sink to, like, keep PR up. But, like, this Allen feller definitely seems like the handyman that's like, hey, I don't want to have to go whoop this man's legs. Will you? go whoop this man's legs. He has every trailer park handyman I ever met, you know what I mean? Like he's a guy that's always got that he's always got a truck full of tools and always coming out of the dam, the office, you know what I'm saying?

Always kind of hanging around. Yeah, and this is also when we meet who I don't think that we've seen him since episode one. We kick off episode one and we talked about one of the greatest quotes ever from that old fella who said monkey people are strange but big cat people are backstabbing pieces of shit.

who we didn't find out his name is James Garriston. Gerritson, yeah. Yeah, James Garrison, who had had sort of a relationship with Joe, mainly because he runs a shit ton of strip clubs and has worked in the circus. Boom, yeah, that's right. So him and what's up, Jeff form an immediate bond as to, you know, bags of shit cut from the same cloth. Yeah.

Slease magnets. Drew, you also. Okay, but, all right. I personally, I personally distinguish this bag of shit from the Jeff bag of shit because, like, he don't make, he ain't got the affliction shirts and the goddamn do-rag under the affliction ball cap and all that.

Like, he's a fat sack of fucking shit. Yeah. But he's got some money, and he knows people who know people and yada, he's got jet skis and knows how to fucking, you know, get drugs and I listen. He's very, it's very, it's very, noticeable. He's not acting like he's got, he's not taking tigers.

Right. He's just running the strip club. He's not trying to trick strippers into like, you know what I'm saying? He owns. Yeah, he's, he's very up front about the type of bag of shit he is. Like without, oh yeah, without, not skipping ahead. We'll get more into it later, but like even when it comes to him like in farming on people and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. He's totally up front. He's like, yeah, I'm going to tell everything about everybody. I don't get fucked. He's the kind of guy. You know what? Here's the difference. If you said to Jeff, hey man, if you didn't have these tigers and this money, these bitches wouldn't sleep with you. He'd be like, no, I'll figure out a way.

I'd do this, I'd do that, I'd still hit. Whereas this dude, James, is that his name? James, if you said, James, if you didn't run that strip club, those strippers wouldn't blow you. He'd be like, yeah, I know. That's why I'm right. Yeah, yeah. And that is why he runs a strip club. Yeah, exactly.

It also should be noted that James is no stranger to the cat game as well. he got into cats when he was 17 because, and I found this very interesting, he bought a line club out of the Dallas Morning newspaper. What the fuck? Like, I don't know, man. It just blows my mind. At first off, Joe Exotic's talking about how you can buy them for $2,000 and also they're apparently just on the back pages of newspaper.

Have you ever in your life seen a, like a fucking line for sale? I know. That's what's so wild about it. I was like, it doesn't seem like. it doesn't seem like the type of thing that would have just flown under the radar that you would have just met, I mean, especially us. It's not like we're like all like fucking super put together white bread suburban people who don't notice tiger dealers. Right. We are all the type of person who if we saw a tiger ad, we'd be like, y'all! Yes. We've got tigers. And I've never, I've never, ever seen anything like that. Wade Cardwell would absolutely have asked me to go havesies on a fucking line. Oh, God, there's no doubt. There's no doubt. So, so not only is this dude now hooking up with Jeff.

And of course, Jeff is, admittedly, he's going to try to clean this place up and run it more like a, you know, a goddamn actual accredited zoo, if that's even a thing that's fucking possible at this point. Jeff talked James into giving him $14,000 so they could open a pizza restaurant. What could go wrong? How were they going to make this pizza, DJ? Walmart meat. Walmart meat.

Here we go. DJ, so I skipped. I very, I don't know how. Maybe it's again, it's just maybe it's because in all the deluge of crazy shit in this whole thing, a truckload of old Walmart meat going to the Tiger Man in Oklahoma didn't even register me as that notable. But you took issue with that and you're right to have done so. But we've now circled back to the Walmart meat truck.

So tell us about it. What's your thoughts on this whole deal? Well, number one, it's really, it's a credit to Walmart's trashiness to their level and dedication to trashiness. How much that they have to do with this entire documentary. Like that whole show that was going on in Oklahoma, his whole Big Cat Adventure shit, it all revolved around what they were getting at a Walmart. You know, them motherfuckers must have made five or six different trips a day. Different, like, the Walmart.

They were like the epicenter. Well, that's what, what's wild about that? You're 100% right, but it's like, that's, that's like Walmart's reach, meaning, like, they are also equally at the epicenter of, like, ultimate political power machinations and, like, the shit that's going on with policy and governing in Washington, D.C., they got there as much as the center of that as they are at the center of this white trash animal emporium in Oklahoma they're just inescapable and it's totally completely bullshit what

they said about the meat they don't have they don't just have to put it that that may got to be old for them other voters oh that ain't that ain't true I didn't know that you know not anywhere I've ever well okay now you work you work at shop right not I worked at food line you worked at food line And it was about half that. When I worked at Trader Joe's, it was full of that. Now, I don't think Walmart's got Trader Joe's policies, but I don't think they have shop rights policies either. What I think, and by the way, how the fuck them motherfuckers know that?

Because I be up and because Walmart is implicit to the treasury. Well, I'm certain that someone that has worked for Joe Exotic at some point also worked at Walmart. Well, obviously one person did. Yes, but what I'm saying is, They weren't just collecting the meat, y'all. They were creating it. These motherfuckers were going to Walmart,

grabbing swaths to me. I guarantee you, and then go on and set them in a deal-d-d-d-dell. They're not telling how many drug deals? God damn it, DJ, I'm trying to make a point. Then you leave them in the fucking chip-isle, you move on with your life, and then you come back and you go, hey, y'all got any rotten meat?

They're creating it. That Joe Exotic is the type of redneck genius. You know he was putting somebody up to that? Well, you can pay the butcher a little bit of meth and he just slinging out the back door to you. even better. I'm sorry I didn't let you interrupt me. That's exactly what the fuck they was doing. Yeah, you got damn right. Well, and again, as I'd say, I don't know for a fact, but surely to God, Dave, at one point, had somebody on the inside because fired Walmart employees seems like the perfect pipeline to Joe Exotic, GW, Zoo. It actually, but like what blew my mind is, can you believe that Walmart allowed that to happen?

Yes. Which part? They would actually allow them to take their meat. Yeah. Well, the only reason that I say that is because I have a, well, not a personal experience, but one of my buddies, and I know that you could off jump say, no, he actually got fired for some different shit. This is just the story he told. I heard it from the fucking managers and shit that worked there. I had a buddy used to work at Costco, right?

And in their bakery department, they would have old croissants that, like, I mean, technically they weren't expired. They were just stale. And so they would throw them out, like, at the end of the week. Like, literally they were just dumping them out. and so my buddy knew that because he had a buddy that worked in the bakery and he's like yeah all this stuff's just going to the fucking trash i mean it's still good it's just like day olds or whatever so my buddy was like oh fuck it they're throwing the croissants out anyways put him in his fucking backpack and they caught him doing that and they fired him and he's like y'all were throwing them away anyways and they're like yes and that's where they have to go we have to put them in the dumpster we can't have them out there anywhere else yeah like i don't know Costco and walmart seemed like they'd have the same fucking logic almost everywhere it does it originally Your buddy wasn't a manager. Like, he wasn't high up.

That's one of those things where it's like, murder one person, you're a murder, murder a hundred million, you're a general. Like, when the manager do it and they write it down and they put in that little book, and I bet he paid something for him. Absolutely. I think so, too. He didn't know he was doing anything wrong. When you know you're doing something wrong, you'll get away with it.

Well, I mean, do you think it's wrong with Tiger's old age? No, look, look, I'm saying, but to steal stuff out of Costco. He wasn't stealing it though He wasn't stealing it I know he wasn't But that's a very That's a very very common Policy that a lot of those places have

And there's a lot of different reasons And it's shitty But there's a lot of different reasons They have those policies One of them is like If employees know that they can just take for free The things that we might throw away anyway That employees can like fabricate reasons

That things are getting thrown away And dude fuck that I'm just explaining it And the other thing is liability shit. Like if we, oh, we give a homeless shelter, all of our old stuff. Somebody dies. Homeless people get food poisoning and die, then that's on us. So we can't have that.

So they all, a lot. Right. Most of the big chains have these public. Right, but this is different. Because if you're going to animals, they're going to animals who ain't going to sue you. But also they probably, I agree with Drew. They have some kind of an arrangement. And also, there's a way for it to be spun, too.

It's like, look, we're, you know. Small town of Oklahoma, they put that old meat in a bag. Somebody's wrapping it up. They make it an exchange, flinging it out the back door, and they keep going. I guess I just don't necessarily think it's that bad to feed tigers old meat. And I say that because, like, tigers in the fucking Serengetty, they'll go out and eat a fucking wildebeest carcass that's been sitting there rotten in the sun. But like, their constitution can take that shit. So like, there's a bigger, I guess, there's a bigger dam here than just being old meat.

There's a bigger scam. There's a bigger... Now, I want to be clear. I don't think Corey's original question about what not Walmart knew about this has anything to do with our current debate. I could see it DJ's way that this was all under the table.

Or I could see it our way where the managers can get away with it. You know what I'm saying? They were backing up a truck, man. It wasn't under the table. That's true. I'm sure that... Dude, I'm telling you, ain't no way

Walmart has any type that the head office of Walmart is just like what y'all are doing is cool you can write this off to this person I bet they did write it off though like if they weren't charging I guarantee they were like we donated X amount of money worth of meat to an animal

to an animal sanctuary or whatever however they put it they could have done that that's what I'm saying I hate I hate saying this but Trey's right I thought you were about to say I hate They definitely knew. I mean, it was like a win-win situation for everybody involved.

But, like, I mean, they knew. And also, I am with Corey. Like, I mean, I, rather than them throwing it all away, which they would do otherwise, feed it to these goddamn animals who I, you know. Well, absolutely. I'm not starved. I mean, absolutely. I mean, they're there.

I worked at places where they didn't want to get, they would call the police or homeless people if they was out digging in the trash. Like, they did not want that shit to go anywhere. So it surprises me that Walmart would have a policy, especially for me, that would allow somebody to do that in any kind of fashion where the head off. But think about it. Think about it this way, though.

Because you're right. They do that. And in any of these places, we have, we don't want to do with homeless people or, you know, fucking vagabonds digging out or meat in the dumpster out back. if some wild ass motherfucker comes to you and says, hey, instead of having to ever worry about any of that where your meat is concerned,

here's what you can do instead. You can put it all in the back of a truck and bring it and contribute to the welfare of these wild animals that the community loves, yada, yada and whatever, and the Walmart guy. And again, I don't think Sam Walton's fucking Sam Walton the 4th, I don't think okay that. But whoever the manager is, it's like,

I can see them being like, that's a good deal. Okay, well, here's the weird to say to me, anytime you have any kind of expired product, right, say all that lunch meat that they had, that shit has a UPC code on it. That UPC code has been counted as an amount of stock that this percentage of, so they have to have proof of it being expired or being out of the...

Right, well, that goes back to if that goes back to if they are getting anything in return for it. If they're getting a tax thing back, right. Right. But they get to, it's written off as a loss or whatever for having been expired, right? But if you can then take something that's a loss and get anything in return for it, like they could be getting in this situation, you know what I mean? Then that becomes advantageous to it. I don't know.

That's the big. That's the big short, baby. But it also feels like the biggest, the biggest thing that they would get more from it for counting it as it being stolen. Also, I don't know if that makes any sense to anybody. Like, you know, they get, they already get this money back for stuff being stolen.

They got insurance on it for being stolen. Well, this is all stupid. They said they were, but they said they were getting like truckloads a day and shit or whatever. Like, I feel like eventually if you got that much stuff, you're reporting stolen, that's going to be a red flag that maybe, What about expired?

They're expiring that much stuff? I mean, fuck, I guess. I don't know. That's crazy. Whatever scam was going on. DJ, you worked at ShopRite. I mean, I've never worked in grocery store, but you're telling me that huge amounts of stuff don't expire every single day in a typical grocery store because I would assume that

they do. They don't? No, not to that degree. Well, I worked at the food city in the meat department specifically, and, you know, it was a whole thing. Like the expiration department, you know, we had that. We had one bin where we put it and give it to you for half off when I only had a day left.

And yeah, we had to throw that shit away. And that was one food city in Oliver Springs. Like, you know, if you're talking about a Walmart, it's going to be a bigger scenario. Well, you're talking, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think you have weighted meat compared to, like, what lunch meat is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Lunch meat don't fucking expire. All right. Anyway, who knows? Buddy, there's so much fucking salt in a goddamn package of lunch meat. I don't eat you get you for a year. And see, that lets me think a little bit more towards DJs. old point there. You saw them packages of baloney that came in on that truck, and I'm

like, hmm, and Trey, you were talking about what was the truck. How'd they get a whole truck? Well, maybe you had a truck driver. My Uncle Mark used to literally knock pork chops into the floor of his truck before he pulled in to drop him off so that when they got there, they would go

these pork chops must have fell on transport. We can't get those, and he'd go, I'll throw them away for you. Yeah. It was Christmas and some bribe. That's what's Well, all right. Well, then to go back on, we're fine with them having to rotted meat for the fucking animals. Then we find out that they are 100% definitely using that old-ass meat for the fucking pizza.

And being as someone who has, I'll say this, failed. Much like the tigers, I had forgotten about that. Yeah. Now, I'll be straight with this. I failed to run a restaurant, but I did run a restaurant at one point. and we fell under, because we were a bakery, like we mostly did just like baked goods and stuff, you do fall under different like guidelines with the health department

than an actual restaurant does. However, we still like, dude, if one bag of flour was like, you know, which that never happened, we never had expired flour, but like they looked at literally fucking everything. So like, how the fuck did he even get away with day one using rotted ass meat on his fucking pizza? Did he have, like, patsy meat that he served the goddamn, huh? There was some wild shit going all with that meat.

Okay, that's all I know. But he broke the law. What do you mean how to get away with it? I'm saying, like, how, like, the fucking, the food commission, where they called the food and, god damn it, health inspector. Health department, goddam. I don't like, there's part of me that's like,

how the fuck can you even serve cooked shit here around all this goddamn tiger mat? I guess the blues have food. Yeah, but that's so weird too, though. That's a good point. Like, you're right there with a tiger. Like, I'm not trying to eat pizza in front of a goddamn tiger. Well, I was actually going to say it.

I was mostly going to be just trying to hit. But, like, if you're going to that particular Tiger Zoo and ordering a Supreme Pizza, you've got to know. It's some suspect shit. Yeah, I agree. I agree 100%. I agree 100%. But I'm just saying, like, I don't even know how they got off the ground with this shit.

Just a little bit of money, baby. Greasing them wheels, son. You know what? the goddamn health inspector man was probably real into petting baby tigers. God damn, you're a theme here. You need to be a fucking, buddy, fuck having money to bribe politicians and stuff.

Just let them fucking pet a baby tiger for a little while and you can do whatever fuck you want. I hate to say it again, but Trey is fucking right. Well, well, speaking of bribing politicians, that does get us to our next point

because ladies and gentlemen, it has been announced on the news that Joe Exotic is running, is running for president as an independent, God bless America. We then see his first attempt, his first attempt at a campaign video, which is him sitting there looking in the camera going, hello America, and then he just goes, oh, fuck this, cut. Then he just starts screaming at the whole staff telling him to shut the fuck up.

So I got to tell you, seems pretty presidential right off the jump. Because he is, it should be noted, he's right. running at the same time that Donald Trump is running. Right. Right. That's the thing. I mean, I had the same thought in watching it too.

And obviously, even as much as I hate Trump, as much as Trump don't hit, there's still as a difference between Trump and Joe Exotic and how he's perceived by people. But yeah, I had the same thought of like, like, my initial thought was like,

Lord, this motherfucker, what is even going through his mind to even think that this is? But then I realized like, well, shit. I mean, hell. Like, you know, look at the people who had, been elected. And of course, it's not at all surprising that, you know, that Joe Exotic thought he could maybe get in the White House. Dude, I mean, honest to God, if somehow

between his campaign and the election, he had acquired a billion dollars, then we might be looking at a different White House. But did he really ever think so, or was he just hitting? Because I feel like he was trying to hit. Yeah. I feel like he was, he achieved that very much so. He did. I feel like he was trying to hit and that... Well, I mean, dude, I don't think that fucking Amy Klobauer or whatever the fucker name was thought that she was ever going to be president.

At a certain point, every single... At the early steps of people running for presidency, it's you're just trying to build your profile and it's good PR and any publicity is good publicity. So like, for the most part, unless you've really, really, really got a shot, I think every goddamn presidential campaign is a fucking PR stunt. Am I wrong? Now, Donald Trump, he did.

definitely didn't think he was going to actually win. When he fucking started, hell, he probably didn't think he was going to actually win on November 2nd or whatever. But there's a big difference between him and where he was at and his life and where Joe was like. Well, but that's kind of what. He at least had met like some presidents. Well, that's kind of,

I think that goes actually to Corey's point. We're saying like, even these ones who are at this like upper echelon of that type of world, even they don't expect to actually win. Well, he's just trying to hit. So he's just trying. Right. Yeah, right. So if you say it's just hitting, I mean, yeah.

Right, he just. His ad campaign even makes it to John Oliver. The video opens with, this is his ad campaign. This is what made it to the final cut. This is not outtakes. His ad campaign opens with, I'm not changing the way I dress. I refuse to wear a suit. I am gay. I'm broke as shit. I have some judgment against me from some bitch down there in Florida.

And this is all paid for by the committee for Joey. Exotic speaks for America. I got to say, he tells it like it is, folks. It does. Like it is. I love also at the end, this is paid for by the committee for Joe Exotic for President. If at any point it was never not necessary for someone to say, I'm Joe Biden and I approve this message, it's fucking right there.

Is anyone sitting there the whole time going, I wonder who's paying for this? Who's putting this on? Yeah. Does he approve this message? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Oh, but dude, it's like, this is like, it's literally a different version of that famous John Mullaney bit.

You know what I mean? What are three other things about you? Yeah, I'm fucking, I am gay. I'm broke his shit. I got a judgment on way from some bitch in Florida. Yeah. Just coming out the gate, just, I mean, again. He's bee rabbiting.

Right. He knows what he's about. He's putting out there on Front Street. I am waiting. We did broke my girl. I'm still standing here saying fuck the free world. Yeah. And aside from the gay and the broke his shit part and maybe the refusing to wear a suit,

if we just go, I'm not changing the, if we just say I'm not changing the way I dress and I have some judgment against me from some bitch down there in Florida, that's Trump. Yeah. I mean, you know what I'm saying? Like, he's saying all the right stuff. Like coming out the gate just being like some bitch in Florida. I don't hit. There's a bunch of people like,

I can do without the queer stuff and not wearing a suit, but that right there, hell yeah. So James, our buddy that we meet, the fat feller that owns a strip club, said that that clip on John Oliver,

which clearly was meant, John Oliver, I think, I can't remember exactly what it said, was John Oliver goes, boy, I'll tell you, this is going on his same, I'm doing Australian.

That's John Oliver's Australia now. This got, this guy seems like someone you'd like to have a bid with, then another bid, and then another bit until you're drunk enough to want to try meth. So, like, they do this whole fucking John Oliver 20-minute hit piece on this motherfucker. And per all of Joe's friends, it hit for him so goddamn hard.

Of course it did. So hard. So if anyone out there was thinking, can this man possibly be ashamed of himself? No, the fuck he can't. He was at least somewhat self-aware. Enough to know. What was going on on that John Oliver was exactly what he was pushing for. it was hinting as hard as he knew that that mother-inogically shit was going to hit.

Well, see, that goes back to what I was saying earlier in the previous episode with the whole argument about Rick and him in the studio getting burned up and the argument being like, and I think that Joe Burn is on Studio up too. But that particular argument of Joe getting like getting real paranoid about how all this footage was going to make him look and how is I going to come across, you know, that was very dubious to me for this exact reason. It's like, dude, he don't give up. He knows.

Look at the footage he put out. What the fuck more could there be? Right. Joe goes on to say that he thinks America is ready. He was telling a reporter. Joe goes on to say that he thinks America is ready for the first redneck, gun, toting, mullet, sporting, tiger tackling, gay polygamist president because he's good looking, outspoken, loves to party, and loves to blow shit up.

I'd love to believe that he's right, you know. I'd love to hear and say that I think he's correct, but I just don't know that we are ready yet. I mean, he just literally said all the things that we use to describe what a liberal redneck is. Then, of course, they make a great directorial decision here. They immediately cut to him shoving explosives into a motorcycle helmet, blows them up and says,

fuck yeah, that's how we get rid of ISIS. Now, I have a couple things here for Joe. He sticks explosives in a motorcycle helmet, blows it up and says, fuck yeah, that's how we get rid of ISIS. As if in Joe Exotic's brain, the military hasn't thought about bombs. He's like, I know how we get rid of terrorists. Blow them up. Why ain't they doing that shit?

I think in Joe Exotic's brain, I think he thinks that like, we take it easy on them motherfuckers because of human right and all this bullshit we're afraid to blow them up well I'm gonna tell you right now I'll blow them up I'll be honest with y'all

I really think he was thinking hey what can we blow up all right it gives me great joy hey can we put that tag can we blow that up and try it on ISIS can we talk about it to what can we blow up in this video

yeah it gives me great joy to say Trey is wrong and DJ is right I feel like he was just like let me blow this up and I'm on right now. You know, when you're in the zone and you're on, you're like, and that's what we'll do to Isis. I think he knows you can't just shoot Isis with Tannerite and then expect to win.

He's just like, but we could try. How much you think he knows about Isis? I know that they need to be exploded. Yeah, other than that, like he doesn't have, you know, ISIS is bulls. They can be blowed up. They don't believe right. They brown.

That's what he believes about Isis. They don't believe right. They don't believe right. They're brown. They're colored weird. Yeah, I think brown has a lot to do with it. You know what? I genuinely don't think he's that racist.

I think he's racist. Don't get me wrong. But you mean like on the spectrum of racism? On the spectrum of racism, he's more Asperger's than full-blown autism. I told you about that. I told you about that. That's what spectrum means.

God damn it. Side note, I told you all about my buddy Scotty not being able to wrap his head around gay people being racist that one time. Me and Scotty, I walk into a goddamn party where we had our resident gay. He had been in there. And Scotty comes the door and he goes, hey, let me ask you this. And I look at Scotty's face and I see my gay buddy behind him giving that like, here goes Scotty again. So I knew this was about to be some shit. And Scotty goes, tell him it's weird that you can be racist and be gay at the same time.

And who I've just now found out is our gay racist friend by his own admission goes, well, I'm just saying, why can't I be racist? Just because I'm gay doesn't mean that I can't hate black people. And I was like, Jesus Christ. And then Scotty said, well, man, I just thought that if you were open-minded enough to take a dick up the butt, you wouldn't give a shit what color it was. So, I mean, Like, you know, I do think it's weird when people are part of an oppressed minority, also oppress actively another minority.

It happens all the time, but it is fucking rare. Actually, it's very much more rare for the opposite to happen. What? For black people to not like gay people? No, no, no. For oppressed people not to want to oppress another, for the, for like. Oh, oh, right. No, yeah, no, you do.

No, I misunderstood you. You're 100% correct. You're right. It's weirder for that not to happen almost. Yeah, it is. Well, I feel that I should strongly apologize for making the analogy that I made. I was following Corey's logic. And I'm not blaming Corey. I'm just off from my explanation.

No, but I hear you. I do. I ought not done that. But that wasn't my goal when I started out. I was just trying to say that Joe Exotic, while very much is a racist person, I don't think that he's completely hate. I think he's an ignorant asshole. as opposed to like, you know, in the clan or whatever.

Right, right, right, right. No, I agree. He's like a pawpaw. Really, what I'm saying is he would definitely fuck a black dude. Yeah, he more like a manaw. He would definitely fuck a black dude. For sure. Oh, he'd probably take care of him.

I mean, he'd probably see a black guy and be like, hey, man, you need a job if there was any in that area. Right, right. But then he would tell everybody, I've got to take care of this black guy. Exactly. Well, I truly apologize for the aside. That was my fault. But it brings me to this.

Believe it or not, guys, his campaign for presidency, it didn't go. It didn't work out. So get back on the horse. He immediately runs for governor because he said that he could not possibly wait another four years to have his Joe exotic message brought to the world. This is where we meet Joshua Dial, who was Joe's campaign manager for a year and a half, who is sitting there violently smoking weed out of a vape and talking about They're just like fucking wolfing it down. They're talking about how this was the, he was his campaign manager for a year and a half

and that this was by far the worst experience he has ever had in his entire life. This whole sequence just killed me. It introduces his campaign manager and it says like, yes, then for a year and a half, worst experience my entire life for sure. And it's spoken way fucking choking on it. Dude, just like fucking.

up from it. Yeah. And once again, it's Walmart, which introduces these two key players. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. It's Walmart. Oh, shit.

They don't even think about it. Yeah, right. He literally hired this dude as his campaign manager because he had managerial experience as the ammo manager at the Walmart. Holy fuck. Well, there you go, ladies and gentlemen. Of course, that's where he got his campaign manager. I didn't even tell those.

Ammo Department. Can you imagine being the ammo salesman at goddamn Walmart and having goddamn jokes out of come to you every day? Every day. Buying goddamn. And you're just talking about libertarianism with him. And then one day he's like, hey, man, would you like to lead my campaign? We're talking about striking gold.

You know what I mean? He says, he says, this is my dream job. Yeah, he's everything I've ever dreamed about. He threw that Walmart shirt off. Well, that's like if you're dreaming. He threw that motherfucker off. That's like if your dream job was to be in movies and then you show up to set and it's a Bukaki scene. You know what I'm saying?

Oh, yeah, yeah, he found that out. Kind of related. He's also gay. Did you all know that? Who, dial? Yeah. A word? Okay.

Yeah, from the same situation I learned stuff from the last episode about the filmmaker being track out. And I only bring that up because that's also got to be a part of it. where you're a gay libertarian who sells ammo in Oklahoma. At the Walmart. Yeah, exactly. You don't fit in with the rednecks if they find out your gay, but you don't fit in at the local fucking gay bar because you sell ammo at Walmart,

and then this motherfucker walks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Crazy, man. Straight out of your dreams, buddy. That's where he came from. Walks straight out of your dreams into your reality. Yeah, so. You know, Joe.

because it was the worst experience of your entire life. Everything you wanted, you got, get your curse. God damn. Especially not having any experience in it. You know, as he calls himself a libertarian, how much of a libertarian, is it, you went to meetings or do you think he shared memes? Like, what level of libertarianism was he at, you reckon?

Right, but it's also like, I could totally see him being the type of guy he's got, he's making all these, yeah, libertarian memes and stuff on the internet, in his basement all the time doing all that and just thinking like how he'd love to be a real player, a real player in that world, you know? There's a million of those guys out there

but not every one of them gets approached by Joe Exxonis. You know what I mean? It's landed on your lap, baby. Right in his lap, dude. So he says that he obviously knows Joe because Joe came into the Walmart nearly every single day to buy ammo

because that pond still ain't got the what for. He's coming to buy ammo every day and tannerite from him almost every day, which I'm fairly near to the world of tannerite. I didn't know that you could just get that at fucking Walmart because it quite literally explodes. Yeah. You shoot it and it explodes.

It's not as powerful as dynamite and other explosives. That's why it's way less regulated, Corey. I don't know if you know this, but if you put tannerite up against like a brick building, it'll do some damage to the facade, but it won't take the building down, generally speaking. I hear you, but God. But God damn. Hey, man, look, what do you want to do? You want to live in a world where you can't blow shit up by a pond?

Do you want to live in a world where Joe Exotic exists? Man, I mean, fuck, you're right. You got me once again. His campaign manager also says that this, this point where Joe ran for president as an independent, he is now running for governor as a libertarian, even though the campaign manager says, I'm pretty sure that to this day he still does not know what a libertarian is. That sounds very libertarian like to me. Well, that's a great point because there's some of them out there. And we do have some good friends who are

libertarians and I think they're smart. I think they think they're smart. I have no good friends for libertarians. Yeah, you do. You absolutely do. That's not my point. I was just trying to hit. But my point is, like, I kind of think that Joe Exotic, like, why do you have to know exactly to the T what Libertarian is when your whole existence is their whole fucking thing? Yeah, doing whatever the fuck you want to do.

That's all he knows about it. Weird snakes. I do whatever the fuck I want to do, and nobody else should be able to tell me that I can't do whatever the fuck I want to do. And that's as far as it goes for him. but I'm with you, Corey, like, that's pretty much what it is, ain't it? I mean, ain't that pretty much the deal? Right.

Like, I mean, I don't think that I have to have, like, read the fucking charter of liberalism to know, you know, that I fall on that. Also, the fucking libertarian flag looks like Joe Exotic drew it. That's 100% true. A big thing with libertarianism, though, is fucked a government. Yeah. And I think Joe knew that part, though. Of course. That's what I'm saying.

Like he lives, dude, most of these fucking libertarians talk to talk. Joe Exotic walks the goddamn walk. He ain't fucking sharing memes. This motherfucker is a meme. Oh, I've been saying that. When I kind of taking a joke about, go ahead. No, I was just going to say, I kind of take issue with Joshua Dahl saying, I still don't think to this day he knows what libertarianism is.

And I'm like, if you don't think he does, then I don't fucking think you do, bro. Because this motherfucker's actually out there making change. You ain't doing shit. That's what I'm saying, man, because like there's. There's three kinds of libertarians, all right? There's fake ones making memes, okay? There's the kind that end up dead or in jail, all right? We know where Joe Exotics heading.

Or there's the kind that ends up in a cabin in the woods or in their own kingdom situation. You know what I mean? Like, you either live that life where you insulate yourself and it either works or you end up having to have a shootout with a government or you made memes for a little while and you complain that your candidate didn't read the fucking book you wrote. Who gives the shit about that?

I'm shooting canterite down by the pond. What do you want for me? I am a meme. I can't make memes when I am a fucking mean, bitch. Where I'm from, and this is just me living in my own little redneck bubble, and you can comment on this, and I'm sure somebody else will. In my experience, where I'm from, there's only one type of libertarian, and that's someone who wants to be racist, doesn't want to pay taxes,

and wants to smoke weed. That's it. Like, that's the whole fucking thing. Guns are a big thing. Like, if a Republican all the sudden finds that, like where I'm from, if a Republican all of a sudden, finds out that weed hits for him, he becomes a libertarian over fucking night. Like, that's just how that goes.

Right, but I don't ever, I rarely believe in my heart that those people are true blue libertarians. It's just that they don't have a party for them. Like America's become so fucking shitty. There's no party where they can believe in Jesus but get high. So they say they're libertarian, right up until the point it's time to shoot the government in the face. And then they're like, you know what?

I just wanted to smoke weed. And by the way, that's fine. It's okay if you don't want to shoot. to government. But Joe Exotic was willing to shoot to government. Right. Well, for the record, I also wasn't attempting to imply that they are like, they follow it to the fucking tea. It's just the thing that they say. It's also, to me, I don't know if it is now because libertarianism has become a little bit more defined in the past like eight years with third party candidates running. But used to, I always found libertarianism to be like a get out of the

conversation thing. Like somebody's like, I'm a Democrat. I'm a Republican. Somebody's like, I'm a libertarian. I don't really fucking, you know, and people from both sides can at least go, okay, I like that, or well, okay, at least you're not a Republican, whatever, just go get us beers. Well, which is what I think is really the biggest point here is like, like, what the fuck

Joe Exotic wasn't looking for? Wasn't, he could have been any, he could have been a Republican, he could have been a Democrat. He could have been a, he could have been a part of the team, he could have been anything, an ant or whatever. He knew a little bit about fucking

the government and government shit and sold ammo at the Walmart and that's what attracted Joe Exotic to him. I don't think his political affiliation really got damn played a part and Joe's hiring over.

He also, he did something that I thought was brilliant at his campaign rallies rallies when he'd just run in the street and scream. He wasn't passing out like political buttons. He was passing out political condoms with his face on it because what he said was, I'm just paraphrasing here, hey,

since we're all getting fucked, here's a Joe Exotic condom. Yeah. Here's one of my favorite quotes from Joe at one of his press conferences. He's trying to, he's trying real hard to hit. He said, I'd like to introduce my wife,

but my husband is at home feeding my brain baby kangaroo. Then he looks around and grin and goes, I always wanted to say that. and not a fucking, not one of them cowards in their laugh, not a goddamn soul. No one gave it to him. I thought it was hilarious and he got. This is such a classic example of me just not understanding the brains of these people, meaning like, I don't care whether you like frown upon what's represented by that.

It blows my mind that you could sit there and see a motherfucker say some shit like that and not be like, what the fuck? Yeah. Just act like it's like weird or unacceptable. As long as to be in hilarious. The way they looked was like he's bastardizing the fucking process. Yeah, yeah. Like he's just don't turn on a good name of our debate here.

Let me go back a deep cut. This is off podcast. This is off mic. This is like some thread shit. Where once upon a time, and you continue to describe yourself as pretentious. And I've accepted that you do that as a joke, but you actually 100% meanness as a compliment lack pretense. You don't actually have any pretense about you because you're a real

motherfucker. These people are sitting in that audience pretending to be some shit that they're not. They're liars, Trey. Everyone who don't laugh at Joe Exotic is a goddamn liar. There might be five people in all of America who see him and can't laugh because they feel sorry for the tigers and they're genuinely better than us. There are five people in America total who see him and they see the tigers and they feel so sad for the tigers, they're better than the rest of us. Everyone else is a pretentious motherfucker. He's the funniest son bitch I've seen in three years. I don't give a fuck what anybody says. And if you're not laughing at him, you're up your own ass, and I won't put you in a cage. And now here here's where Joe does a commercial, a commercial, a

legit commercial where, I mean, you know, I can see where, this part is where I don't understand why he didn't get more votes. Because when I say this quote, in your mind, just replace the word cat with gun and tell me you ain't heard this same shit your entire goddamn life. Joe's doing a commercial and talking shit about the Big Cat Safety Act where he says, there's two laws they're trying to introduce into Congress this year. And one of them is the Big Cat Safety Act. The only problem is it's all a fraud. They're spending millions just trying to decide whether or not I should own a fucking tiger or not.

This is my way of living and no one is going to tell me any otherwise. He says, not tell me any other way. Tell me any otherwise. No one is telling him wise at all. Yeah, well, dude, the thing is he owns all them guns too, but you don't ever hear him talking about gun ownership because it's superseded by tigers. He's like, I got to worry about my tigers first. God damn.

They're coming for your guns. They're coming for my tigers, motherfucker. Talk me by guns later. Oh, yeah, he wants them to come for his goddamn guns. He's prepared. On that note, another way they're analogous is, who's going to take anything from Joe Exotic? He's got both guns and tigers.

I wouldn't take a piece of gun from that son bitch. Carol took it all from him. She went the white way. You know what I mean? That's her whole thing here with the cat fucking law bullshit is that she's talking shit about people breeding cats and people using them as pay-to-play props, which, again, how the fuck is that not just her goddamn sanctuary? And she won, Trey, because she got him eventually to try and kill her.

That's how she really won. Like, otherwise, I think he was winning. Because you're right, Corey, he was proven to the world that she was a hypocrite. If he hadn't tried to kill her, he'd be to won. this is one I want to direct straight to you, Drew, because I'm law dumb. Doc Antle, when they're fighting this big cat bullshit, Doc Antle actually brought tigers into the halls of Congress, which, first off, I mean, I guess they won't set off a metal detector,

but what the fuck? Like, you can't even go in the halls of Congress with a cell phone, I didn't think. But either way, Doc Annell brought tigers into the halls of Congress claiming that it was unconstitutional to take away his cats. So Drew, is there an amendment I'm missing here? Like at what part of the Constitution does it say that nobody can come take your cats? You have the right to pursue happiness, God damn. Yeah.

Yes. Yes. And do some gangster shit. Like, fuck on. I would argue property rights are very strong. I would assume he focused it in the property rights part, Scory. Uh-huh. But what Carol was correct about, and she was.

was only correct in hindsight after he whipped her ass in Washington, D.C., is that Doc Antel won not on the merits of the case. He won their hearts. And you just said, you can't walk a tiger into Congress. Who's going to stop you, man? Yeah. Hey, I'm supposed to be here. What do you mean you're supposed to be here?

Look, here's my invitation. Like, if you're going to Congress, you've got an invitation of some sort. You know what I mean? You're on a list. Well, I'm here to argue about the tigers, buddy. The dude working security makes $15 an hour. He's not going to fight with you or your fucking tigers, dude. It ain't a gun.

Really? It's not on the lit. Look, I'm not saying he didn't call a head tray. I'm saying who's going to argue with you. And I don't mean who's going to argue with you because they're afraid. I mean, who wouldn't believe you? Oh, yes. Yes.

Here, I see on our Congress invitation list, we have Mufasa plus one. Well, what I'm, yes. How much is it is. I say, Baclaba. or whatever the fuck his name is, the tiger man, A, and B, it's not like their no-no list has tigers on it. It just has guns and shit. And if you say, they're expecting me and my tigers. And then he calls up and he calls the desk.

And the lady at the front is like, what's that? Yeah, we got Tiger Man on the list. He brought his tigers? Sir, he brought baby tigers. Hits. Let him in. That's it. I mean, dude, that sounds like a special day that was planned, like,

Like much before, like, hey, I'm going to bring down the baby tigers down here on Thursday. And that motherfuckers knew it's a front desk. Like, it's Tiger Day. They're bringing the baby fucking tigers. It may have been. I mean, the thing about Baclavah that we've all recognized is he's good at being white, better than fucking Carol Baskin. He knows how to exist within the rules, bend them but never break them, and then therefore survive to fight another day.

And he whipped her ass in D.C. All right, so Joe is back on the campaign trail, and I'm going to put this one to a vote. What do you guys think is funnier? Joe passing out condoms with his political campaign on them, or Joe going to a rodeo trying to get people to put bumper stickers on their horse. What's funnier? Yeah, which one's better?

Well, funnier is the horse. Condoms are better as a move, because I feel like that probably, because you guys remember he got quite a bit of votes. 19% after 96% was reporting, yeah. That's a lot of votes. I mean, that's a libertarian votes. Oh, right. Because I thought the same thing.

It showed that little snippet there, and I thought it was, he got, I was like, this motherfucker got 19% of the vote, but he got 19% of the libertarian vote, which I have to imagine raw, that's like 200 people or something? Maybe, yeah, maybe. But like, dude, I mean, hell still. All I was getting at was I think the cons were a better political move,

but putting bumper sears on a horse is funnier. I agree. So here we see Joe and Allen's relationship start to sour because Jeff claims Joe turned into a little bitch over this whole deal, and Joe would try to get Alan to do stuff, and Alan would be like, and I quote, fuck you, Joe, I work for Jeff, not for you, classic. Joe

is trying to shoot a campaign video. This is where it gets weird. So we're talking about how their relationship soured. He thinks everybody at the zoo is kind of not on his side anymore. Joe is trying to shoot a campaign video and one of his tigers, quite literally, starts dragging his fucking redneck mulleted ass around the cage like a rag doll by his fucking boot.

Like it starts off just kind of gnawing at his boot. And then Joe tries to keep a professional still talking to camera. and then they literally, this motherfucker is just dragging his country ass around the fucking cage, and he claims that they had put Cologne on his boots so that them tigers would start fucking with him. So I don't think this is skipping ahead because it's directly related to this part. You're my favorite. One of my favorite Carol Baskin moments in this comes right here where she's like, he says, Joe says that they put Cologne on his boots to get that tiger to attack him.

and Carol's laughing it off and she's like, I mean, if you wanted to get a tiger to attack a person, you'd use like, I don't know, sardine oil or something like that. I'm just saying, but not Cologne. That would not work. And it's just like, like, how she knows that? She also says, well, she also explains further. She goes, Cologne would just get them to sniff around.

Yeah. As if not only does she know sardine oil works, she knows that Cologne does not work, which means that she's perhaps tried Cologne before. for her? No, I don't, yes. And I don't think anyone put Cologne on Joe, but I do, this was my first moment of being like, oh, wait a minute, his kingdom's falling apart.

Right. Nobody tried to help him. Not at all. I understand the fucking, like, cameraman. And a person on this podcast that I don't hate from time to time, but I would absolutely die trying to get a tiger off every one of you. Exactly. Because number one, I would have.

I would have the camera on a tripod so I would know that if I went to help you, I'm still capturing the footage. Absolutely. No, I'm with you. Then it comes to a point that they talk about the documentary that I want to bring up simply because we talked about how John wasn't gay to his own admission, that Travis wasn't really gay and, you know, the power of meth and like, you know, gay for pay and people will suck dicks for all sorts of different reasons. But here he says that John Finlay, by his own admission, he says that Joe has bought him. four to five. He's lost count, is what I'm saying. Four to five different trucks,

so many that he lost count. And I got to say, I don't know many dudes around here that wouldn't suck somebody's dick for five trucks. One truck, maybe, but five trucks, dude, fuck yeah. Not to mention the guns, the guns, too. Pink ammo guns, which hit for him. I would suck a dick one to ten times for five trucks.

I'd suck a truck. but that's what I'm saying like he's had to suck that dick a lot man yeah he got a lot of trucks he's a lot of paint guns and the tigers god damn it i know we keep forgetting about the tigers con finlay is bisexual guys for sure yeah and that's fine now we're getting a little bit more into Travis James uh fat boy I'm okay but I am of course James old fat fuck kind of Wade-looking motherfucker said that Travis wanted to go to his

strip bar all the time, but Joe wouldn't ever let him leave the property. And he told James all the time that he was not gay. He's like, he just told him out of his way. He's like, dude, I'm not gay. Rick Kirkham, the documentary, also just tried to tell Joe that.

He's like, dude, this motherfucker is not gay. And apparently, like, Joe was like, yeah, whatever. Isn't this where they cut to Joe? And he's like, yeah, like, straight. guys. It goes, apparently I fall in love

with two straight guys. But it was weird how no one brought up being bisexual. Like no one right. Well, okay.

That's what I was about to say. Or you fuck women. It was like, dude, here's what I genuinely think. I think the dude with the top knot

is mostly gay but can fuck a woman ever now and again and that Travis is pretty much a straight dude but he was born in Cali. He likes weed and he don't mind

fucking a dude's butt. I guarantee you he's the top. Well, John, what? John had like an ongoing relationship with the front desk girl, and he porked her and got her pregnant, and then they got married. Her name was Amber, by the way, which when we were watching it,

my wife immediately went, of fucking course it is. Because Amber has this theory that every single trash bag motherfucker on earth is named Amber. Oh, is that a theory? Yeah, it's a theory. There's a thing about science. Once your theory gets proof,

and over and over again, it becomes fact. Yeah, so John gets her pregnant. This hurt Joe, but, you know, at least he had Travis, because at this point, Joe admits that he knows that both of them are straight. But to your point, well, like that, they're not. Like, that's the whole thing. Like, and it's fine. Whatever you are is fine.

But this is that whole argument about sexuality being on a spectrum or whatever. Like, people keep saying, like, oh, he's seducing these straight guys with meth. he's got these straight guys or whatever, but like, they're not. Like, I know that they're getting tigers and meth out of it, but if you're sucking this dick over and over and over and over and over again for whatever you're getting in return for it, like, you know, you're not just a straight guy who I so was married to a gay guy and fucks with it. It was like, you're just not, you're somewhere in between.

Right. It's fine. That's fine. Real question. And Corey, you can cut this out if, if, depending on how we, do you want me to get real dark right now? Yes.

My brother sucked a dick for drugs. He absolutely did that. And you know how I know he's straight? He murdered a guy who made him do it. Well, yeah. My point being is he weren't okay with that scenario. There was no part of him that was like, cool with it. Fucking John Fender.

Hold on, hold on, hold on. John Finlay was on camera talking about I'm John Finlay, the owner of G.W. Zoo, which is fine. I'm not making fun of it, but I'm saying, like, that was his life. Like, he lived there. He was cool with it. Some part of him, and we're talking about identity, that's all being gay or straight is, is identity. We're just talking about identity. Some part of his identity had been, like, cool with that scenario.

Like, that's at the very least by sex. man, and that's okay. Like, like Tray said, that's fine, but like I don't need you guys to, not you guys, the people in the documentary in Oklahoma, to like right, left it, black, white. Right, right. We can exist in this weird place, man. Also, on that note, with Travis saying like he's mainly a straight dude, he clearly has developed feelings for Joe because we cut to him in the yard with,

no, excuse me, I just went up, I went past it. Oh, God damn it. Oh, yeah, yeah. We see Travis on camera talking about how Joe just walks away from him whenever he's trying to open up to him because he doesn't give a fuck about any of his goddamn problems. Then he does what any man does when he has just had a lover's quarrel. He starts whooping a truck's ass. Yeah, I mean, what else are you going to do? What are you going to do? Joshua says that Travis came into the office and was complaining to him. he was sitting under the camera, but the camera was pointed directly at Josh. He complained that he was a prisoner and he couldn't leave and couldn't get a job

and also that he just couldn't get enough pot. Then we cut immediately to Travis in the yard with a gun between his legs, saying that he is smoking the last cigarette that he's going to smoke before he dies. Josh said that he- We don't know if that was the same day. That's true. That's true. And I mean, that could also- But, I mean, he was out there getting upset and he had a fucking gun and Joe didn't listen to him,

but also he bought him five trucks. However, he couldn't leave. Like, there was a lot going on. Yeah, I mean, that could also be just a clip of someone saying, hey, I'm going to quit smoking cigarettes. This will be my last cigarette, you know, before I die. Josh does say that he used to wake him up pointing guns at him. Like, that was his thing. Like, he would just come in there and wake him up like, freeze, motherfucker.

So he comes in there and does this one day. Question on that. Where is Josh sleeping? Yeah, I don't, I mean, I guess he's just there on the compound. They all are, apparently, apparently everybody works out there, also lives out there. I mean, I guess that was part of his fucking managerial pay was that he got room and board and shit like that. Yeah, or, you know, again, knowing that he's gay, I think he- But they all did it, right?

They all just ran around just shot guns and pointed them at each other and shit, right? That was like a big, that was a big time to be had. So he comes in there one day. He comes in there one day, he points a gun at him, and Josh says what he's, had to say to him a lot, hey man, quit pointing guns at me, which is a shitty, that's a really volatile relationship. That's a good point. He tells him, don't worry, it's a Ruger, and Ruger's won't fire without the clip. Then Travis sits down, puts the gun to his head, and Josh literally sat there and watched him shoot himself. Yeah, you know, this part, it just, I'll be the one that

says it, it don't hit. No, it don't hit. It don't hit. Yeah, it's another, you know, another very dark point in the series. But yeah, but I'm, dude, in all seriousness though, I mean, that's a fucking insane thing for anybody to fucking just watch unfold in the middle of your workday. Some unstable motherfucker just like accidentally.

And I do think it, look, this guy was dark as hell had a lot of shit going on. I do think it was mostly accidental when he blew his own brains out. I think he was like, look, it ain't going to fire and then just fired. I think. But regardless of what he did, that's just, I mean, that's a fucked up thing. I think it's the darkest point.

of the series, I agree with you that it was an accident, but I understand if anyone disagrees with that based upon the last cigarette comments and the trapped comments, you know? Well, I mean, the guy had a death wish. Okay. I'm just saying in that moment, I don't think he thought I'm about to blow my brains out. Right, right. It's like anyone playing Russian roulette's like, I wasn't trying to kill myself, but if you put yourself in that situation, you clearly don't give a fuck if you die.

like it was probably an accident but one that was damn sure going to happen and he damn sure he didn't give a shit if that motherfucker went off and shot him in the head I'm sure of it so now we go it's honestly the saddest part to me

because everyone else for the most part and it might just be that they didn't cover this kid as much you know what I mean there was not as much background and then obviously there couldn't have been he was so young right but but I'm not going to say he was the most innocent

because I don't know who was the most innocent and blah, blah, blah, but like it felt like to me this was a shift in this series. Yeah. Like attempted murder is wild, but nobody died. You know what I mean?

Like, we know that this is leading up to Joe Exotic trying to kill Carol Baskin. They announced that on episode one, but he didn't. He tried to, but he didn't. Now that somebody died, And by the way, when I was watching it, and you guys tell me, I knew he was dead. The whole time, like, the way they were, the way he wasn't involved in the documentary,

but I thought he'd OD. Yeah. So when that happened the way it happened, man, it, like, it had a visceral physical effect on me. My reasoning for why it's a little bit more sad than the other cases in that, like, Joe clearly does that typical cult shit or just terrible person shit where you take someone who you know is at the end of their rope or has a need and you exploit that to get whatever you want out of them because they're in a desperate situation.

With a lot of the other characters in this show, they had gone through a lot of that bullshit themselves. They were a little bit older. It was like, well, what else are you going to do but hang out here? When he met this motherfucker, he was 19 years old. Like, he had so much time to turn it around. Like, if he hadn't met Joe, I'm not saying he wouldn't have come across some other crazy shit

and done some more drugs, but he absolutely, at 19, had a chance to turn around. He'd love in that, though. His mama would like that, though. Yeah, I mean, look, man, sometimes, you know. I'm just saying the youth has a lot to do with it. Now, we go from, this is probably the darkest part in the documentary,

but what happens next, I guess is one of those things where, like, this has built the tension so goddamn much that the next really huge comedic pop we get really was, one of the biggest comedic pops for me, because it comes out of nowhere. We are now at Travis's funeral, where Joe, wearing the same outfit he wore in the, Hey, uh, Here Kitty Kitty, the priest fucking Clint Black fucking get up is up there.

He looks like a priest on the, on the range in the 19, early 1900s. Yes, he, yes, he absolutely does. Like someone who looks like, he looks like Montgomery Gentry priesthood. He looked like the guy who owns. executed people for being gay. Like they came in, like he was the relief executor. Like, no, you're in on this one. So he opens his funeral speech.

And I got to tell you, especially as a comedian, he does a great job of like setting you up going like, oh, this is, this really brings you in. He says, and I quote, I would ask Travis, why me? And he said it was because God put me here to make you smile. and that's my job. And it didn't matter how stupid he had to get,

or if I was sitting there concentrating as hard as I could on the computer to write a letter to a senator or a congressman or something else, he'd come in and rub them balls in my face. He'd come in and rub them balls in my face. And everybody that works here knows exactly what I'm talking about, because you've seen his ball. And, buddy, at this point, I was sincerely locked in and was like, this is a fucking beautiful eulogy.

That's what I'm saying. It was so perfect. He said, that's one of our part. And then he says, and everyone that works here knows exactly what I'm talking about. And everybody's just like, yep, he sure did like to show them balls. He sure did. He did. It was like golden nuggets.

It was like golden nuggets to them boy, that boy. And then he sings, which Travis's mother claims was the worst thing she'd seen in her whole life. Yes. That was when, and she saw her son's dead body. Yeah. But this man, but Clint Black Dick singing that was the worst thing she'd ever seen in her entire life. Hey, buddy, it fucked me up because again, I was, I was sincerely like, man, Joe is having a human moment. Yeah. Like he's upset. Travis is dead. And this eulogy is weird, but beautiful.

It's weird to talk about somebody's balls, but it's beautiful. It's weird to talk about somebody's balls, but it's beautiful in a way, you know, to talk about how they were. And then he starts singing and it's like, wait a minute, hold on, wait. You really were just, you were like tearing up and into it

until he started singing, because to me, the whole thing was start to finish pretty down the fair way with his particular brand of lunacy. I'm gonna open with some nutsack talk and Ann with my chart top and jam. You're in retrospect.

You're completely. You know he sold CDs at the fucking. way too. In retrospect, you're completely right. I wasn't tearing up at all, but I guess where my head was was this dude has a hard time being sincere. This is the closest he can get. It's talking about how this guy made him laugh with his nuts.

Isn't that kind of sweet how you can just like remember these, oh, oh God, he's singing, oh, I see what happened. I got fooled. Also, until he said it, like I knew there was an age gap between them, but it was 32 years. God damn. I mean, that's about what I figured. I mean, he met Travis at like, what was 19, 20 or something like that? Joe's one of them type of people that I hadn't even thought about his age because,

like, with the lifestyle he lives, he could just be a hard 40. Right, yeah. I mean, yeah, you're right. I thought he was 50. So he's, what, 62? No, no, I mean, if Travis was literally 19, I mean, he would have been 51, 51, 52. Yeah. I did bad math.

John Rinky says that Joe's whole demeanor change when Travis shot himself. And then we see Joe in tears cooking a Thanksgiving dinner. What seemed like was for the whole community? And my question to you is, what the fuck do you think they were eating? Walmart meat. God damn. We now cut to Travis's effigy that the local biker club has helped Joe build,

which is a four-wheeler and go-cart, enclosed in a fence surrounded by swords, and hedge trimmers. It's. Joe says that he sits with it every morning and smokes cigarettes and takes pictures of the sky and claims that clouds have formed into the word high and perfect angels. Yeah. I mean, it's a love story.

It does. It does. Fuck a goddamn tombstone in the shape of an angel's wings or whatever. What is that weak-ass shit? I could only have to have a beautiful trash pile. Dude, yeah. A goddamn. four-wheeler trash monument.

That's what I mean. If I don't get that, I'm gonna be mad. On that note, let me defend Joe and his eulogy one more time, Tray. I thought it was good. Some bitch, like you dies, who ain't ever had nothing to do with God and angels and Jesus. Some asshole gets up there and makes it about God and angels and Jesus. Oh, fuck that. How's that any different than Joe making it about what he wanted to do?

That is, come on, dog. country music. There's a difference between not making it about Jesus versus totally making it about your ball sack in the presence of your mother. That's what some of us believe in. Ballsacks are at least real. They are. No argument here. We then cut to Jeff. We then cut to Jeff. We then cut to Jeff who says that Travis's death, after Travis's death, Joe completely lost it and I mean god damn how can you tell what's the difference between this

motherfucker having it all together and completely losing it everybody seems to think this is all just bullshit crocodile tears this is also when Jeff has had enough of it I guess and he just leaves for Vegas when Jeff leaves for Vegas this I swear to God this is the fucking selling a

catch up popsicle to a woman in white gloves this motherfucker I've ever seen in my life because he talked to sponsor into buying him a buzz called the jungle bus where you could haul people from casino to casino in a bus field with tigers to which he immediately says yep that was a big fucking mistake yeah you know he didn't even want to talk about that somebody had brought it up and they were asking him what had happened and he was like yeah that was just it was bad yeah yeah yeah it wasn't good that definitely

that definitely falls under the well i thought it was a good idea at the time. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was the only business I thought would work. I mean, I'm sure he had a hell of a week. I feel like if you'd advertised it right, hanging out with tigers on a bus on your way to the next party. Well, for the record, for the record, they didn't really get into it because it seemed like Jeff didn't want to talk about it.

But I don't think that it was the promo that was the problem for this. I think it was that you had a bunch of drunk motherfuckers and an enclosed bus hanging out with tigers in Vegas that probably was the issue. Right, right, right, yeah. I mean, I could see that going bad with dogs. I'm sure that they were the issue. What did the tigers?

I'm sure it was the people running the... I mean, yeah, as it usually is. We now cut... I mean, this is clearly how you know Jeff didn't want to talk about. That's the only time we even hear of, like, him doing a fucking tiger bus tour. because it immediately just cuts off to Joe Exotic, now showing us his room,

which is good Lord, a piece of shit. He's showing off the lamp. That surprised me, too. Did that surprise, y'all? Yeah, kind of because, I mean, I know he's red-ass, but I figured it, like, let the gay one decorate. Right. I thought he'd have, like, a, like, a fucking bed

with, like, big-ass poles and shit, you know? Yeah, like, I figured his room would be full of some redneck shit, but that the gay person at least put it all in its place, but that was not, or have one of his slaves do it. I thought it would be a lot like Travis's Memorial. I thought it would be fucking swords, you know, and fucking four-wilers. You got his penis locks on a wall? Right, especially because Joe's always dressed in the nines,

tucks his fucking shirt in, like, has his self-groomed. Like, I just figured his room would be top shelf. But yeah, this is also, we see Joe changing. And pretty much what happens next is, in my opinion, the least surprising thing of the whole documentary, it's revealed that he has a Prince Albert and has had one for 8, years, which again, why the fuck wouldn't he? But the one thing that makes it extra worse is, as DJ alluded to,

he puts padlocks on the end of it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, hang on. Hang on. I don't know a lot about Prince Alberts. It goes right through the dick hole and out the other side. Right.

But was he not saying, was he not saying that the padlock itself goes through his dick? Oh, was he? I thought he meant he put that on the end of the prince. Prince Albert to give it some extra weight. See, I don't think either way. Dude, either fucking weight. I don't think it's either way, frankly.

I think one is wilder than the other. That's true, because one's a way to do it as his particular Prince Albert is a padlock. Like his dick has a bad log. Like that's how big is extra dickhole is. That's what I thought, like, might be wrong, but that's what I interpreted that as. DJ, is that wrong?

buddy i don't know i don't like it you just say like of the four of us you might be the authority on what's that i don't know if you got on sleeve tattoos you know about dicks and stuff i ain't got no idea about that buddy and i'm gonna tell you what how do you get a block

like a padlock and then he sticks it in a butt or like what do they do after that with a padlock on it i don't know that the because i know that like the whole thing with the prince a word is like it supposedly does give more pleasure somehow like, hey, put an extra thing up my butt. But you take the lock off. You'd have to take the lock off, I feel like. Right.

It gives them the combination. That's like part of fucking Ford. Hang on. If you can guess my big combination, I'll give you a truck. But hold on. 69, 69. You are the winner. Sincerely, sincerely, let's just spend just a second on this deck jewelry.

Because, Corey, you're saying you thought, and again, dude, I don't know. but I'm saying thinking through the logistics of it, you're saying that it's like a little, like a little, like modest hoop earring version of a Prince Albert, right? That he then put, I know, but you're saying in your mind,

it's one of those that he then puts a padlock onto. Is that what you're saying? That's what I thought, because in my mind I went to like, this is a weight thing. Like he puts that on there and then like, but wouldn't that, if you had a little,

of metal through your dick that you then hung a big weight on. Rip it out. Like, you know what I mean? Think about how that would like pull the little. Yeah. Yeah. It don't seem like it to me. Now neither one of them seems like it to me.

No, you know what I'm saying? That seems off to me. Yeah, no, I guess you're right. I guess he was legitimately sticking a padlock, probably rusty, through his dick. You know it was rust. And he was just on his wall.

I mean, wow, that dirty fool, man. He just on a wall. Like, God damn, buddy. Like, no. For the record, the reason that we see Joe, the reason that we see Joe in his room getting all dutied up is because he's now going on his first date since Travis died. It is, of course, another very young boy named Dylan.

He takes his first date to a campaign parade. He says they went to dinner afterwards, and then the boy never went home, as they seem to never do. He proposed to him and they were married within two months of Travis's passing. So not only is he dating this guy and they're married within two months, this is also two months after Travis's passing. He, of course, invited Travis's mom to the wedding because why wouldn't you?

And Travis's mom, to her credit, she thought that it was going to be like an actual wedding, but when she gets there, it's just Travis, excuse me, it's just Dylan and Joe, the cameraman, the flower girl, and her. So she claims that it was for social media. And basically his whole point was like, hey guys, if Travis's mom is fine with it, you guys should be too, which it seems the first time that Joe ever gave a fuck

what anyone thought, but it is a pretty good PR stunt. Oh, yeah, definitely. Including when his tiger attacked him and no one helped him, where I started to think, man, it's not just me watching this. Even the people in Joe's life kind of hate him.

I'm not sure, but like, why don't know? I'm not saying this. I'm not saying this to even, this is not me trying to give Joe the benefit of the doubt. I'm just saying like I genuinely, it wouldn't surprise me with how crazy that motherfucker is, is if in his mind he genuinely had some part of him that thought like Travis' poor mama would like to know

that I have moved on in price. Right. I mean, am I wrong? You know what I mean? It wouldn't. surprised me a bit. That's really what he thought. Much to my chagrin, you ain't been wrong all day. So this is, we're getting towards the, oh, this is another thing I want to bring up. Now we're at election day and everyone they're interviewing on the street. This was crazy. They were pretty

much saying the same thing about Joe that what Trump supporters were saying about him. Like everyone they're interviewing is like, well, he tells it like it is. He don't pull punches. He hates the government. He thinks they should all be in jail. He'll shake things up. I mean, hell. give him a chance, you know. It's then that Joe says something to his campaign manager that I also feel Trump probably said to Roger Stone at some point that we alluded to earlier. Joe actually says, what are we going to do if we win? Yeah. So that kind of goes back to what we're talking about.

We can circle back at the beginning where we're like, this clearly was just all bullshit. And he just wanted to do a thing, which again, I kind of feel like that's how it was with Trump. So with 96% reporting, Joe only has 19% of the vote in the Libertarian Party. Then he's standing on a, he's standing on a bench outside and a bunch of reporters asked, Joe, what happened tonight? And Joe says, what happened tonight? We fucking lost. Saf says that his government, his governor campaign is where he actually lost all his priorities

because at this point it was not about the animals anymore. And everything at the zoo was falling apart from animal care to finances, even to employ morale. And Saf, in my opinion, is shooting straight. Yeah, number one. South is the best person on a documentary. Yeah, yeah. Saf is number one on a hit list.

On the number of hits, who hits list? Not the hit list. So Josh, Josh backs up her claim by saying that Joe basically had no poker face and everyone could tell something was up. He was already a paranoid person, constantly throwing people out and accusing them of being spies. But the paranoia, in Josh's opinion, was not unfounded because he found a microphone in an animal.

on top of the gift shop roof that he deems like clearly people were listening in on him. Then we end this episode where they're interviewing Jeff Lowe. And Jeff Lowe is constantly interrupted during the interview with incoming calls from federal agents and Jeff saying that Joe was going down and it was over for Joe. So that's the cliffhanger that they leave us on here. I hate Jeff Lowe with the fiery passion. God, damn, with the deepest. the deepest hatred.

So Drew, final thoughts on this episode. We have seen everything from election campaigns. We have seen suicide. We have seen love found. We have seen love lost. Man, this episode really pushed it home for me that we're really looking at a tale as old as time. This is Icarus.

This is white trash Icarus. Joe Exotic flew way too close to the sunship. and he fucking, he went down for it, man. He flew close to, he flew too close to too many people's sons. Trey. I don't have any parting thoughts because I won't wait until we truly part once our resident expert, Tuchar Singh, joins us, Dr. Tushar Singh. Oh, that's right.

Let's get Tushar in here. Yeah. Yeah, we've extended the invitation to him. He should be waiting for it. Hopefully he's not taking a shit. We've had Gatsby taking shits. Tushar would absolutely just do this while he was taking a shit. shit.

Yeah, you're right. But so he should be showing up soon. But in the meantime, there he is. Hey, see, there he is. Tushar. Dr. Singh. Dr. Singh. Hell yeah.

Namaste. Namaste. How's your quarantine going? I'm fucking having a great time. Me too. I feel guilty at how good of a time I'm having, honestly. I mean, I'm getting to play with the kids. I've gone on an effective detox where I'm not drinking, smoking cigarettes, smoking weed.

I've gone pretty much vegetarian. He's with his family, guys. That's why. Huh? I'm with my family, God damn. I'm a bigger bag of shit than ever. Fucking too sharp. Like, you feel like dirt over here.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, Trey, when you sired the family, it's like you own the family. He's two-shard's a part of a family. He has to act right. That's right. I'm just the eldest kid. It's fine. I don't have anything to do.

There's no pressure. So, listen, Dr. Seng, as a tigerologist, what can you tell us about these creatures' general temperaments in captivity? I mean, they're having a good time, man. They're like minorities. They want to be owned.

Right? A citizen. Oh. shooting on better than to try to come at Tushar with some racist shit. I don't know what I thought was going to happen. Anybody watching this is dying laughing and anybody listening, not knowing how Brown Tushar is, is like, what the fuck did this do?

Oh, yeah, they thought Dr. Tushar saying was just some fucking pale-ass Scott's Irish motherfucker in Georgia. They thought we made his name up so he could come on in. no, it's Tiger Singh. Tiger sang, Mr. Dr. Tiger's saying here. No, yeah, again, I don't know what the fuck I was thinking, thinking I would try to make some casual races. You asked an Indian guy, you pretended he was an expert on fucking Tigers.

Tigers just because he's Indian. But he's not, this ain't just any Indian guy, though. This is a guy who, it's an Indian guy from Alabama. Right, right. It's a lighthearted racist joke. and you talk by throwing a lighthearted racist joke towards Tuchar, surely it'll go well. Right. And Tuchar was just like, oh, is this what we're doing?

Okay. Oh, we're jumping right in to the racism pit? Oh, shit. Hussar is unmatched in his ability to make me uncomfortable. Tushar, uh, Tushar's friend of the well-read podcast and just friend of our actual persons, too, our hearts and minds and butts. he's a he's a comedian from huntsville alabama who lives in uh as far as i can tell everywhere but mostly new york lately but uh tushar is not a tiger doctor unfortunately uh much to his mother's chagrin uh he went to her uh well yeah tuchar's just a fucking funny bag of

shit like the rest of us and a good buddy of ours and we just wanted to talk to him about all this madness so tuchar episode five the politics episode. Ooh. I mean, it just, when you were like which episode you want, I was like,

this episode is so indicative. People are probably, like, I think globally, this show is a hit, right? Obviously, everyone, like people in India are talking about it. My friends in London are talking about it. And it just shows that question of like,

how could America vote Trump in? It's like you watch six of these episodes. You get it. You're like, okay, okay. This is the solution. This is the white male globally in America as a gay, whatever the fuck that was. I mean, just like weirdo, this weird human being.

And it's awesome. And the fact that he ran for president and he's like, ah, that didn't work. Let me go for governor. And like, I wish he kept on going until he actually got elected to something. That would have been awesome. Well, what's funny about what you just, said, we've talked a few times on the series so far about how we should feel about how Joe Exotic makes us look as white trash Americans or whatever. And we mostly have been like,

ah, hell, it's fine. But for whatever reason, you bringing up like this being a global success, just like people the world over watching it, just made it like land even closer to home for me. Well, in fairness, I think that people of the world just look at this America, not the South. Right, right. Is that sure, too sure? I mean, yeah. I mean, if you're looking at this,

you can't tell what part of America is from. And the fact that it's from freaking Oklahoma, right. You guys, being from the real South in my head, do you look at Oklahoma rednecks to be like, you're like lower rednecks? We did. Can we saw this some bits?

Yeah, not anymore. They're like, God damn, they're whipping our ass. I mean, I mean, no, I've never thought about them as not rednecks, just not southern. And southern redneck is the very specific type of fucking redneck. But like, dude, Joe Exotic, he doesn't even have the typical, like, Oklahoma red-ass accent. Like, he just sound like he from the sat.

It's like he started being what he was. And then that accent was just, as Trace said, that accent is just a side effect of pills. And I guess also, meth. He's trashy. That's that Texan accent. Yeah. He's from southern Oklahoma. Yeah, there's people in Oklahoma who just

have the accent. But Tushar, if you had been his campaign manager, what would your approach have been? Would you have done things any differently than Josh Dahl did? Josh Dile's a professional, all right? What was he? Is he?

Yeah, yes. He had managerial experience from my market. I mean, the mere fact that his own campaign manager was like, this is a publicity stunt. Yeah. Long for the ride. I don't, I mean, what would you, I mean, what would you tell him? He would have said any, he would have agreed with anything that you would have thrown into his head.

Okay. And. So what would you have thrown into his head? I mean, I don't, I mean, you're asking me, like, what my political opinions are. And I don't know. No. No. We're asking you what you would have told him to do to win that goddamn.

election. Or to make for money. Yeah. We don't care what you believe. No. That's right. That's right. That's right.

What would you've done? I don't know. I mean, I would have made the Joe condoms, magnum condoms, just for irony's sake. I don't know, man. I think more tigers, personally. I don't think he has enough tiger stuff. He's got a whole lot, but he needs more. Because people are, I want to talk more about the international side of this.

Obviously, you're from Alabama and you live in New York and I knew that, but you just kind of casually drive to you. You got friends in fucking India and London. We get it. You're cool. But in all seriousness, I didn't realize this was becoming a phenomenon internationally. What are people saying about it? I mean, they're just saying what a ridiculous story. But what does that really mean?

That means if this was about like a real alpha male that's, you know, doing something positive in the world, but it just, the series shows this guy as the everyday American crazy man. And not only him, the regular crazy people around the town were like, yeah, we believe in Joe. Like the documentary could a good job on letting you know how dumb the American public is that will follow some idiot into the darkness and it's just a ridiculous angle of, and it's the, I think it's the first one that has actually done that, where it's actually gone into the day-to-day life of this guy. I don't know what other documentaries has actually pulled that off. So here's what I, specifically, I want to know, because I'm assuming you're,

these close friends you have around the globe, I'm assuming they know that you're, you're from Alabama. Do they make jokes to you about, um, As in like, oh, this is what you grew up with, too, Shahr? Oh, does this guy go to your high school? Is it like that type of shit? Do you get that? Yeah.

And listen, I'm not trying to brag that I know people in India. I know you're too dips of a person or whatever, Matt. You're using these days. I don't know what the conversion rate is for y'all. Anytime I see an elephant that can paint, I think you know them. I know all the cartoon elephants, man. No, but that did, but seriously. Do they have a cartoon.

Do they associate it without, not Alabama specifically. I'm saying the jokes like that get made to you. I'm wondering how much, like Drew was saying, or whoever it was, it's just America versus like a southern thing or like Alabama is connected to Oklahoma through this red trash, white ass, white trash insanity bullshit. And other people's minds. Trey wants to know, Tushar, when he runs away to Scotland with his fucking money, will they know he's a dumbass white trash piece of shit?

right back you pull off being a regal American. I mean, when I tell people who, yeah, when I told people, when I lived in India for a little bit and I told people that I grew up in Alabama, they looked at me like I grew up in India. Like, I look at them like, what the fuck? What do you end up there? It's like, I'm not bad for me.

They're like, what is it like? It's really, really like a, oh my God. I mean, I love how, like, this episode started with a fucking a monkey birthday or something, a chint thing. And my first thought was, you guys make fun of us for, like, praying to monkey gods. And here you are fucking having a, you know, the last supper for chimps. Yeah. Well, one is dumber. And also, too sharp.

It's a tie, Lori. That's not our national religion. I mean, fair point. Fair point. I thought you were going to say, and that is just not how a monkey birthday should go. Everybody knows. You're going to be a monkey birthday? Get the fuck out of you.

I promise myself I wouldn't use that accent, but. We do. We do. Oh, shit, man. What's your, uh, just, you've watched the whole series, obviously. Yeah. Where do you write this episode? Do you rank them all or does all kind of just run together in your head?

I thought the show, I think it ended a little fizzily, but because he's still in jail, he's going to get out eventually, and then he's going to do some, like, the story continues, so it kind of stops short. But I like, you know, episode two. I like, I mean, it's just, it's just a compelling, like, who the fuck are these characters where they come from everyone is like the most evil is the girl i mean carroll i mean the fact that the case against her is opened up again okay so blatantly it's clearly

just burned another our end yeah hey so since you since you've said the most evil is carol we had a comedian katelyn warehouseer on yesterday was talking about and it was not at all defending carroll so carroll's a bag of shit but i do think there's a lot of misogyns you going on here. Well, people focusing on how much Carol sucks when everybody in this thing sucks. And we were saying earlier, we were talking about that and how that all works and everything and, like, that Drew was saying there are some people are like, look, even if you say, oh, Joe Exotic's just more entertaining, that's all.

It doesn't mean I like the guy that that is still, like, bad to, like glorify a dude. How do you feel about all that shit? I mean, I just feel like Carol was hands-down. the most evil only because she was so she seemed to be the deepest

in her own psychosis right the hypocrite like the self-righteousness that she has and the lack of self-awareness about the shit that she's doing it's just like the shit that they do

but she don't see it that way yeah yeah yeah I mean it was just one of those things where like like I mean she was like

in terms of like who who was hip she was the most hypocrite like hypocrite out near fact that she's fucking with tigers and telling other people not to do that

was ridiculous and every other interview you can find holes in their logic that they're oh my God this is all you can even talk them out of it she was the only one that if you had to talk to her and be like did you do anything wrong

she would be the hardest to break down and that was the fucking craziest part where white women are the most evil in the game. So congratulations. I mean, they made you guys. They did.

So one of us made by one of them. I made a list of racial thoughts during the show. You guys want to hear it? Yes. Oh, my God. Yes, please. All right. So I'm just going to go down the line.

Let's do it. All right. So the idea, and I'm looking at this from some villager in India watching this, like, through close captioning in Hindi, converted to Hindi, whatever. But white people messing with animals. What's that?

Sure, because that's a guy you've been before. You mustard farm on a piece of shit. Go ahead, though. Yeah, you know about villagers. Mustard farm, bro. Go ahead. So white people messing with animals, like, on this level, is superficially, like, what?

But then you think about, like, they fuck with humans so much that this is just a, this is just practice. I feel. Thoughts, gentlemen. Yeah, you're saying Joe Exotic wants to be somebody who fucks with humans' lives,

but he's born in Oklahoma. He's a poor gay man, so he has to fuck with tigers. Right, right. Slavery is illegal. Right. Go to the next easiest hardest. We will own whatever sentient

bang we can legally own. Yes. You're right about that. Okay. Okay. Check. Confirm. Okay.

What is with white people loving Indian shit? Like Dr. Pugwan, that guy who's like... Maybe y'all just hit, motherfucker, what you mean? You tell me, what's all your secrets over there? We want to know y'all's secrets. That's what it is. Let me break it down for you. Every country or ethnicity has a culture.

Ours is taking the best shit. That's what we do. Learn from us. We're good at stealing, man. We still stuff. Humans, culture. We steal at all, bro. Also, again, be proud, you know, like we covet y'all's shit.

That's for us. So sorry, we could literally steal from anybody. Yeah, and we choose to steal from Indians. You should be, always. You should be grateful. Okay, check, I guess. Check again. All right, the Allen and Joe beef.

Yeah. I loved it because it's like, there's this perception that white people just fuck with other people in the racism pantheon or whatever but really if you leave them to their own devices they will just start fucking with each other of course yeah well i mean dude you got to you know like who do you think who do you think white people in vermont fuck with it ain't black people or any other kind of people how would they do that there aren't any around they can't go after that there's like three Asians and that doesn't meet the quota of people to fetish so they fetishize them and then they fuck with white people exclusively.

You fuck with the tanned white people first? Yeah, Italians. That's where we always start. Handicap. We will set an Ed Hardy T-shirt on fire in their yard. I did make this mouth this thing before. Either. Too short. Real quick. Too-Share, can you hear DJ and Corey?

Yeah. I don't think they can hear us. Something's going on. We can hear us. We can now, but it's been going in and out a lot. So, like, that's why I've just been silent because I'm just going to get your recording. Because I'm so sad, too, because every time it cuts out, it's when Tushar is about to check something off his racism list. And then it, and then it's like, it's like my parents have set up some sort of blocker on this to where I can't hear all those hits.

And then it goes away. And then I come back in. So this is why I also wanted you to record, because if it didn't do that on your end, we're good. Yeah. Lori, I'm sad for you and in general, but also relieved, because for a second, the way that y'all's like, you know, obviously you were complaining that you couldn't hear us, but you and DJ were whispering to each other,

I thought too sure wasn't hidden for y'all, and I've never been angrier at either. No. I'm like, what is wrong? Yeah. No. No, I was whispering and how upset I was that I wasn't hearing what was guaranteed to be first ballot racist hits.

I figured it out the second time. The second time I was like, no, I know these some bitches. Look at them. One of them is in fucking sleeveless tees with a full tat and the other one shirtless. They want to hear this. Yeah. Now, I'm real upset. I can't wait to hear it again when Trace sends it to me.

Too shark. Go ahead. Checklist. All right. Next. The Allen and Joe Beef, that's good. I love the fact that you forget, like, a true redneck. Everyone on the show has a gun on them at all times.

I fucking, it's just a reminder. Like when he was getting bit on the shoe with the, the tiger was buying his shoe, and he just got a gun out. You're like, what the fuck was that? Like, oh, he has a gun. That's so great. That's another way these tigers are like guns, Trey.

I keep forgetting about the Tigers. Tray has been pointed out this whole podcast that people keep forgetting about the tigers. I forgot about the guns. You're right. I mean, but dude, if you got tigers, you've got to have guns and meth, apparently. Like, they all go hand in hand.

hand, like, you can't be just fucking with tigers without a gun, right? Trey, you got to hurt me, man. Methmouth was my other one. Is meth mouth the real thing? Do you guys know that? Yes, you're from Alabama, motherfucker. God, Huntsville is a bubble. Y'all are insulated down there.

Yes, MathMouth is a fucking thing. Okay, but I want to make a point, and this is a deep white trash cut of a point. Methmouth is absolutely a thing, but there's a reason that Adderall don't rot your teeth. Meth mouse is a, but like crank. You heard of crank? Yeah. Which is like basically meth made out of battery acid. And it's a shame if DJ can't hear us right now or Corey,

because I feel like both them might have thoughts on this shit. Maybe not. But like there's different qualities of meth. And like meth mouth is definitely a thing. But if you have like pure meth, I'm not going to say it won't rot your teeth, but it depends on how you're doing it, et cetera, et cetera. Like my point is, and this goes back to something we've been talking about

this whole podcast, boys. It seems like Joe didn't have the best meth in the country. Like, if it's riding people's teeth, it ain't it. Does it not? Do you let them fuck their butts? Does it not? Hear about what the boys was doing. That's what I'm saying.

That's a pretty good fucking myth. It wasn't for the tigers. The matter was subpar. The tiger's top shelf. I mean, a tiger high has got to be a goddamn upper. Yes, clearly. Clearly. Too short.

What is a Tiger High like? That's where he graduated from. Tiger High. Class of Oaks. That's a tiger high. I'm hoping myself in a racist way. Which one of your eight mascots was your favorite? Why, Tiger?

Moving on. I had a question about, like, I think I brought this up earlier, but the Oklahoma thing, Oklahoma feels like Texas without the border tension, and thus the creation of someone like Joe Exotic. Like, it's in the middle of nowhere, so it's the first time I've ever heard of rednecks from that area. It's the old west, yeah. It's the old west, the south, they got plenty of Cherokee Indians to claim that they're one-eighth of. and they don't have the border tension

and they have more money. Oklahoma's a weird fucking state, man, for all those reasons. Clearly. Well, rest in peace, Joe Diffey died this week, also from fucking Oklahoma. And a part of me feels like somewhere in the cosmos, fucking Joe Exotic and Joe Diffey

couldn't exist in the fucking Zykeist at the same time, and that's why that happened. I don't know what, I don't have any thoughts on this, but just the redneck, the parade thing that he had set up at night. Yeah. Is that a thing that, do parades happen like that? Yes. Yeah, at least in my hometown, dude, we had, like, because like in my hometown, like, nothing

ever happens. You need an excuse to have a parade. If it's homecoming or something, you're going to have a parade. And in that parade, and the parades of my hometown, there would live. literally just be dudes riding their John Deere riding mowers through the parade with like some cans and Christmas lights dangling off the back of it or something. And that was like a part of the parade. We had a – We had a baseball – it was the opening day of baseball for the wreck or whatever.

There was always a parade. And my dad was our coach. So like we actually – he's a decent feller of means. So we had a nice little float that he had made or whatever. And there was this other team. and the team mama, God damn it, I can't remember her name. She later shot herself in the head with a shotgun. She didn't feel like building afloat or anything like that,

so she just took her truck. Do what? Okay, anyway, in order to save costs, she just spray painted the team name on the side of her truck, and it was just for the next 10 years before she killed herself, her truck just had five and six-year-old Atlanta Braves. spray paint on the side of it. How much money did she save from just getting a piece of fucking paper?

No. Yeah, that's, well, because she would have had to spray paint on the paper, so she saved the paper. Right. Saved on that paper costs. 33 cents. Not to mention tape adhesive. They stack up. So, too, sure, I assume we are 12% of the way through your racism checklist, so let's get back to it.

No. I mean, I guess that's my racism thing, but I did have a question. Like, and this is just in general, the fact that he was as a gay as he is. Yeah. And the fact that he couldn't even, I mean, homosexuality is so locked down in y'all's culture, as is in ours, I guess, or every, every culture that's relative. I'm not saying, don't act like queer's hit for y'all. Yeah. Don't, and too short, don't I guess that shit.

Yeah, that's true. That's true. Guess it. Walk outside, you know, never mind. I'm not going to stop there. Yeah, I have nine uncles. Three of them are gay for sure. All of them have kids.

So I get it. I get it. But the fact that he, like, couldn't even find a straight dude. Like, he had to have fuck straight guys. And he was pretty much a pimp. Like, he was like a. He had like. He talked about that.

Those dudes ain't straight, man. come on. Like in a culture where you've got to be gay or straight, they were deemed straight later when they fucked a chick. But like, those are bisexual men, man. Bisexual men, yeah. Also, I think maybe what you were, it seemed, I mean, dude, Joe even says at one point, he's like, I like, I like part of that was like,

or that was like a part of it for him for whatever. That's what I'm saying. That's a challenge. I have a buddy who I won't name who told me, point-back-off. I got a guess. He said, my favorite thing is when I'm not sure if they're gay or not, right up until they start sucking my dick. That's a favorite time to find out somebody's gay.

Yeah. He's also a redneck. Yeah, yeah, he is. Oh, man. What else? Fuck. Listen, you've done a bang-up job,

Chah. What you just talk about? One last thing. One last thing in my nose. During his political campaign, when he was, he had all this crazy shit, he was saying this,

that. But then he had that one line. He's like, that's how we take care of ISIS. And he just... Yeah. Yeah. I was like,

yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. them. Yeah, blow them up. Blow them up. Whale? I don't know, man.

But either. So, shit. Are you for real? You're doing okay with all this craziness? Yeah, I mean, it's fucking, it's truly, uh, it's bizarre and the amount of people that, I mean, some people like, I have, uh, my, I still have my daytime job, right? So there's an element of this that is just moving along. in the sense that everyone's just working from home.

But we know so many people, or at least the comedy world and the nightlife, there's so many people who are just straight up devastated. And then now I'm starting to hear if people actually dying, like people's parents and people, it's really fucked. But I don't know. Are you guys ingesting the news about this? Like, a lot? I mean, like, I'm trying to keep up on it, but yeah, not too much because fuck.

man. And I go back and Chasar, me and you talked what was it, two or three nights ago? Yeah. I go back and forth, man, sincerely, where I engage with it too much, I think.

Right. We're like, I freak out. I call my mom and dad. I get in a fight with my dad because he was still, he's not anymore, but he was still trying to have church. But like, he's in this tiny town

and he's like, we haven't even had a case in this county and I can understand his logic to some extent. And my dad's like very much, he's like very much like a, I won't fucking do with the me, like he's always been that way. He didn't just come up with that mentality.

He has all his money in a box in the basement kind of guy. You know what I mean? Like, you don't even trust banks. So it's like, I can't pretend like he's just now becoming this way. He's always been that way. So I'm like, I go from like fighting with him and worrying about that to literally, like right now, putting on a wig, doing a bunch of drugs, drinking beer. And I haven't read the news all goddamn day.

I don't know what's going on and I don't want to. Roll tide. Yeah, roll tide. The latter is better. Well, we're going to fuck off for now, Toshar, but we should, like, have a little Zoom date or something. Let's do it, buddy. Thanks for having me.

I love you guys. Love you, too, dog. Thank you, buddy. Tushar Singh, everybody. Join us next week. Nick, well, just come on back for episode six of Tiger by the Tail, a well-laring quarantine production. I want to close by one thing.

Hold on. I drew the Tiger King. Oh, yeah, you did. Let's see it. Let's say it. Where the fuck is it? Hold on a second. No, it's okay, man.

Take your time. It's great. So if you're not, if you're listening right now and you're not watching, then fuck you, but if you are watching, Tushar say something.

Hey, man. Hey, look, I am the Tiger King. Look at me. I'm the tiger. Never down it for me. Jesus Christ. And Corey.

Yeah, can you say me now? Yeah. Correct me if I'm wrong. Now, if you're listening right now, you can still go, watch it on YouTube. You can. Yeah, of course.

So go watch it. So go watch it. See two Shars' talent. Get shoved in your face. All right. Shit. Thank you, y'all. We'll come back.

Thank you guys. Love you. Everybody see you next time. Skew. Esquitators. We'll go to Oklahoma's where we meet our Tiger King. He's got them monkey champs and tiger cubs that keep his thing. He's seen he's got all his meth head buddies and they're all working for free.

Serving Cheap Toteino's pizza covered in rock a Walmart. Then of course there's old Doc Anto, the tigers made him rich, and don't forget about Carol Baskins, man, we fucking hate that bitch. We got a tiger by the tail, baby, tiger by the tail, we got a, tiger by the tail, baby, tiger by the tail, baby, tiger by the tail, baby, tiger by the tail, we got a, tiger by the tail, baby, tiger by the tail, we got a, tiger by the tail, baby, tiger by the tail, baby, tiger by the tail.