wellRED podcast - Tiger By The Tale #6 - The Noble Thing To Do

Episode Date: April 14, 2020

Wherein things weirdly go completely to shit for Joe Exotic, whose downfall no one could have ever foretold. The hilarious/wonderful comic/actor Tone Bell joins us to discuss this modern tragedy.

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serving cheap to tino's beat to cover and rock the Walmart meet. Then, of course, there's old Doc Cantor for tigers made him rich. And don't forget about Carol Baskins, man, we fucking hate that bitch. We got a Tiger by the tail, baby. Tiger by the tail, we got a, Tiger by the tail, baby.

Tiger by the tail, we got a, Tiger by the tail, baby. Tiger by the tail, we got a. Tiger by the tail, baby, Tiger by the tail. All right, everybody, welcome back to Tiger by the Tale. this is episode six. Am I saying this right, Tray? The penultimate. Penultimate, yeah. Penultimate.

Penultimate episode in this ever-winding and insane saga. This episode is called The Noble Thing to Do. And in this, we open on a phone call from Joe Exotic behind bars and he says, I had to bail Jeff out of jail two times. The first time was when he beat

and strangled his first wife, Kathy Lowe, who had apparently confronted him for fucking around on her with Lauren. Now, guys, would you have ever in your wildest dreams peg Jeff Lowe as someone who would strangle a lady? Now, what do you mean? Just because the affliction charts or just his general demeanor and the way, you know, I think what he means. I don't say it. I think what he means is that Jeff Lowe is an angel.

I mean, he saved this man's business. he clearly values women. I mean, you saw how he got involved in choosing who would watch his kid, you know, like he really cares a lot about women. That's a concerned parent there. No, obviously, yeah, of course he hits women's. Yeah, he's a woman getting a bag of shit from a mile away. Waterboards on a little do.

I bet he smells like it. You know, it's like, I feel like they wear the same type of cologne. And not everyone who wears that cologne is a woman beater, but every woman bider has the same. I don't know what it is. Axe body spray? That's what that's, that's a trainer smell. It's something above that.

Or high karate. That old curve. Yeah, just fucking, or what was the? Cool water. Skin bracer. Yeah. That's what my papal used to.

He wouldn't. English leather. Yeah. No, not everybody, whatever it is, not everybody who wears it beats women, but it says everybody who beats women, where is it? Absolutely.

And I think it might be English leather, DJ, because they're trying to smell like the men they want to be and they can't be, which is why they fucking beat women. Joe says the second time he had to bail him out of jail was for smuggling tiger cubs in suitcases to hotel suites in Vegas. So two things here. One, I would literally love for just one day of my life to walk

around with the confidence of someone just strolling through a goddamn Vegas casino with two suitcases full of tigers. That's amazing. That's something I will never accomplish in my life. Secondly, though, how the fuck do you not get caught doing this? Like, he has to like, he has to like sedate. I know their babies. I know their cubs, but still, he had to be like sedating them somewhere or another, right? Because I mean, the tiger's not going to just be quiet while locked inside of a fucking suitcase, right? Like, they're going to be. I'm going to be honest with you. After the whole, like the dude brought 400,000 fucking machine guns up to the top level of the fucking, right, I don't really feel like the Las Vegas security. I'm acting like, you know,

distressed tigers would be a sound that is of note in Las Vegas. Right. You would think, but I guess, I guess I don't know, man, like the check-in process for Vegas casinos just seems insane because, like, they've got so much security for, like, all other things. Like, if you're just, like, on the casino floor gambling and, like, you even remotely look like you're about to start counting cards or you kind of look autistic, like, even a little bit, a fucking old Chinese lady wearing a visor will come have some dude.

tackle you and get you the fuck out of there. So you think that's how they called him. Was somebody watching the video, watching for somebody cheating, saw like a suitcase rattle? And they probably assumed they had a kid in there. I guess because that's just, I mean, yeah, you're right. I'm sure that they just, like, film. I bet it wouldn't surprise me if having some tiger cubs up in a penhouse

don't hit for a casino, you know? Like, even if they knew it, they'd be like, that's fine. As long as you ain't cheating, that's fine. Yeah. You've got a call ahead. That's an amenity, you know. So Jeff and his old lady, we see that they have a very ball and ass place in Vegas that I assume he bought with old circus money. Animal control immediately stormed into his house and takes the tigers and ended up also confiscating several semi-automatic handguns and rifles, which calls Joe to say, you know what?

I should have took that as a very strong warning, which I think we can file this away in our, well, it seemed like a good. good idea at the time folder. Jeff is found guilty and has his tigers confiscated and put on probation or he will have to serve 179 days in jail. So naturally, he goes back to the zoo. And now we are greeted by our work so hard. He walked his fucking legs off buddy, John Rinky. He's back and says that when Jeff got back from Vegas, the zoo went to complete shit.

Okay, so already this man has had a failed bus full of like, we don't know what exactly happened, but he went to Vegas, failed at that, and then got locked up after that. Then had to come crawling back to the zoo. Then crawling back to the zoo. Yeah, man, he's way up there. Where's to get his money from?

It's on carny money. Yeah, I mean, that's, I genuinely have no fucking idea at this point. I mean, he's like, I guess he's like parts of the documentary don't show just exactly how good of a con artist he is. Because in the last episode, we heard that he talked old boy into giving him $14,000 to open up a pizza shop. But, like, that's- I mean, he ridded a fucking bus, no, a house that you live. Mansion? Mansion. Those are called mansions. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He rented a... He also wrote Joe Exotic a $25,000 check at some point that clearly went through. Well, and the way that he got that bus was by... He had a sponsor in Vegas just give him this... The boy a hustler. I mean, yeah, but... The boy of a hustler. He inherited a bunch and also, yeah,

He's definitely a hustler. He's one of those people that, like, he don't have near as much money as he presents himself to have. But, I mean, he definitely got money, though. Sure. I mean, he's the thing about that boy is that you hate to admit it, but he know what he doing. I mean, yeah, he clearly knows what he's doing. So when you hate to think that he had. It's like the rant I went on the first time we met him about how he was boring.

but that was just me being mad that he wasn't boring. Right. I mean, yeah, right. He seems like a very boring person, but there's a fucking lot of layers here. When Jeff gets back from Vegas, Joe had him locked out of all of their online banking. So Jeff goes to the bank,

and the bank teller asks him if everything is okay because they're pretty sure that Joe is being investigated and that she saw a federal warrant. And here is how that interaction went down. See if I can do this. You're going to get me in fucking trouble, Joe. And I came here to save your ass. You force my name 20 fucking times on cashed checks.

Just in that total of us. While he's running for the governor, we saw a big dozen some dollars in misappropriate expecting. You said, I don't know what fuck you, and not keep it testing you. And it's wrong. But you are a shitty fucking part.

So some animosity here at the zoo. as Jeff has found out that I guess Joe had been using zoo money to finance his campaign, which I mean, yeah, that, that wasn't a surprise for me. He knew what he, that boy knew what he had already set up to do. Yeah, that's why he had the camera on right then. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.

That's what I wanted to talk about, actually, the way, the way that the camera was positioned, obviously it was supposed to be some covert shit. And like the way that Jeff was talking to him was like, how do I explain this other than like, you know when you're watching a show and one character, the character's really having to relay the information to the audience, but they're saying it that way to the character that also know. Very expositional.

It's very expositional. It's like, yeah, Joe, there's no reason. Joe already knows this. You shouldn't be saying it. Like clearly he's set. that up for his own fucking like setting the case backstory shit that we will get to later.

Hey, since you brought up the money and the campaign, all that, like, just so I'm clear, uh, so he's using zoo money for campaign purposes, right?

Yeah. And it's like, but are him and Jeff are like, so that's explicitly Jeff's money. Yeah. That is a point. That is extensively has been used for zoo purposes. That's what I'm asking,

like, what, Drew, if you're rich, if you got your own zoo money and you decide to run for something, you can use your own zoo money to, like, buy, you know, it's your money, right? I mean, campaign finance laws are going to be different by state. I don't know. What you can't do as a business is send all that money and then pretend like it's an expense. Right, right. And, you know, and there might be limits that a business can donate.

But another thing you've got to think about here, Jeff Lowe ain't the kind of dude who would give somebody a hundred grand and then say I gave him 25 grand. So if he spent 88 grand, I don't think it was all his money. It might have been the zoo's money, which Jeff could feel like ain't all yours. You know, I invested 25. If you spend an 88, you know, I own a piece of that or whatever. I'm not sure all 88 of it was his. You know, it could have been the zoos.

But at this point, Jeff kind of owns the zoo. Right. Yeah, that's, I mean, I don't know where else fucking. Joe Exotic was getting his fucking money. For his mom. And they, also boys, they're still breeding tigers. Yeah. And still having pettings.

So how much did, so how much did Joe, not Joe, but Jeff, right? Is that the name? Yep. How much did Jeff actually have involved and invested in the zoo? All we heard about was 25K, but I don't know. That's what I'm saying. It's all very nebulous, but I mean,

I guess it doesn't really matter. Clearly, he feels like, you know, Joe has been fucking him over money-wise one way or another. But I'm saying, I don't feel like it's clear,

certainly. No, absolutely not. I feel like most of the time during that video, Joe's just over there going, what the fuck are you talking about? Yeah,

but he knows. This is weird. Like, his whole face is like, he doesn't say. I don't know. I don't know. If I spit a bunch of money,

and it was mine, and you came in yelling at me, right, and you see, you know, what you're doing? I'd be like, spending my money. Like, you know, and he didn't say that. So I don't know.

So Joe, after all this bullshit happens, Joe says, hey man, don't worry. I can put some of my money. And then he's immediately cut off by Jeff saying, I don't give a fuck. You lost that when you fuck with Carol Baskin. That's not your fault. Or excuse me, that's not my fault.

That's your fault. Then he punches the fucking filing cabinet, bones the fuck out. Joe then tells him, hey, man, I'll move. And Jeff, essentially, this point kicks him out of the zoo prompting Joe to burn a shit ton of paperwork and laptops he tells all his homies to burn laptops and shit then Joe had a truck come to get some of his cats in the middle of the night they got tigers and and I just I got to I got to show this fucking

clip because this is so this is so godness made me laugh so fucking hard oh yeah look at this god look at this shit yeah don't that hit hey dude yeah sorry I'm pointing it again sorry I'm pointing I think that has nothing to do with the narrative that I've set up here but I couldn't not put the fucking tiger in the shovel of a bobcat being strolled through a zoo out there. All right. Number one, you know what I'm saying? Joe, put, put you all back on your screen. Oh, my bad. My bad. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead.

You said number one. You were saying something, DJ. Yo. All right. the idea that this was clandestine confused me they said it to me like oh he came got his tigers in the middle of the night but then obviously they're doing it in the middle of the day he let him leave with some of his tigers well and they also had the camera crew set up and shit it wasn't like it was too goddamn covert

right to bring up carol baskin's name her first and last name yeah it's weird dude, it's obviously a set up. Yeah. It's going way back ready to set up. This boy had a plan. And then you're talking about goddamn, okay, so, kicked him out of zoo, but he had already been getting calls from the FBI at this point, right? No.

No. Well, I mean, maybe, but not so far, like in as we are describing it. When he was getting interviews, he wasn't already on. Well, all we've heard so far about the feds is at the bank, the lady warned him about him. That there may be a federal investigation. And if you believe, as I do, that Jeff then reached out to the feds, then this might be the beginning of his whole plan, which is, I think, what you're doing. Oh, yeah, I think he was way, yeah, yeah, I think he was already there.

I think he was there as soon as he found out about Carol Baskins. Yeah. Well, I mean, I definitely think that was the intent of him hiding his fucking cell phone and the camera bag. Oh, yeah. in the end what old Josh Dye found on the roof Yeah from last episode Yeah yeah yeah yeah

Don't think that that was not that boy Up there trying that fuck shit So Thank you for that DJ So don't think Ladies and gentlemen if you're out there Do not think that that boy Don't know that there's some fuck shit

All right You heard it here All we y'all know That's 100% I'm on board with that. It couldn't have been the feds because there would have been a warrant involved that the feds had done. I voluntarily did it.

Go ahead, Corey. And big letters on top, fuck shit. John Deere Green. That's funny. So Jeff told Joe that if he came back on the property, he would shoot him in the head. And guys, I got to know, what do you think? Coming from Jeff, do you think that's an empty threat? Absolutely.

Really? Yeah, actually, I do. I think he would have a old boy. Yeah, I agree with that. He'd have had old boy do it. Right. Yeah. Alan.

Alan. Alan wouldn't even done anything. He would have just been like, oh, I must have chicken out. I went to the shrimp club. Getting ahead of him. He shot that boy. Oh, sorry. I got a big old head.

That's the best impersonation. But I was a big old pussy. Yeah. He sounds just like him. Well, a big old fuck man, ain't he? Yeah. Fuck man. Fuck man on some fuck shit, you asked me.

He is. He is. He is. Oh, I shouldn't even brought a microphone. I'm sure they can fucking hear you in her back right now. I'm so, sorry. Buddy, you're hitting for me. So that was sadly the last day that we see Joe Exotic at the park.

He packs everything he has, including against all odds, his pride. And as he leaves, we are treated to yet another chart topper that I'm not going to lie to you guys. This one might absolutely be my face. favorite and I'm going to play it for you right here. Oh, buddy. You're shit in me? All right, well, shut the fuck up off. Does he...

Does he... Is there a situation that this motherfucker does not have a song for? Like, he's like Tupac. Like even when he's in the pokey, these shit still keep coming out that are relevant to his situation. Dude, he's going to die in prison from coronavirus and then release a song about being dead in prison, just like too far. That kind of goes back to the whole thing about like with the music and how it came about. And we were like, that is yet another reason that like, I get he went and found these actual musicians that paid them to do this shit or whatever. But like, dude, he clearly had a lot of creative input because he had to have made.

that before he got kicked off. I know. Those musicians are lucky to have had. They are lucky to have had Joe Exotic. That's what I'm saying. It's almost like in this one, Joe is like predicting what he knows is the inevitable and he's going to go ahead and put out this farewell ballad just in case.

Like, you ain't going to be, John. Paranoid narcissistic people do stuff like that. Like, they'll write letters, you know, to their loved ones in case I die and shit like that. And Joe. Exotic is the type that, like, people that are in that position, usually, they're like, here's what I need. I need a go bag.

I need a lot of cash. I need a fake passports. I need an alibi. I need a new identity. I need a, you know, a plausible explanation for my fake death. Joe Exotic's like, I'm going to need a farewell ballot for sure. The number one thing I'm going to need is to let my fans know be a song that they were my biggest thrill.

It does hit. Does it. So now, now after Joe has bid us all farewell. via song. Joe and Dylan have sort of put themselves in their own witness protection program, and we see that they are at an undisclosed location in southern Oklahoma, undisclosed, of course, to everyone, but the fucking camera crew that came with him. He's like so worried about his shit. He's getting burner phones and fucking smashing him on the ground, but he's still very much,

like apparently trust this reality crew. The most trustworthy people of all time are, with Joe in isolation. And with their cameras. With their cameras. Documenting fucking everything with their cell phones, having to report back to their wives and shit where the fuck they are.

Yeah. Well, hey, so to be, and everything you said is still valid regardless, but at this point, the camera crews with him, it's this actual documentarian guy, right? Like, it's not Rick's reality. It's not the reality people anymore.

No, no. We've got way past that. Yeah, and it does, right. It does kind of get confusing because they, like, kind of flip back and foot. Well, Joe had his own, Joe had his own cameras and shit for forever. And then Rick had all the reality cameras and shit. And then also the documentarian came in at some point and then had all his shit. Do you know what I mean?

So, like, and I think at this point it's the documentary guy. So I could see him just like sweet talking Joe into like, you know, look, I promise I'll say it's an undisclosed location, which he did. If you let me bring all these cameras down there and film me. My favorite part of this, and I think it's right after this, so if you're about to read this, Corey, I apologize. My favorite part is when they sent him pictures and they were acting like they were in Belize or whatever. Yeah, no, that's way later. Oh, my bad.

I thought. No, no, no, dude, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. a very nice little spot that they had. It was probably his parents. Well, this isn't a direct quote, but he kind of took note of that because there was that shot where he was laying down on the ground in front of these two, like, very nice fire pits.

And he was like holding the Tiger Cub, and he was like, this is it. This is our final home. I'm so glad that this is where you will get to rest. So, like, I think even he knew, like, wow, I was living in some, to quote, you fuck shit. Yeah. Yeah. I might have been over there and some boo shit. What harder needed to get the fuck out of there,

which we didn't have a truck for. So during this segment, the cameraman says that Joe just doesn't seem like himself. And Joe says, well, with 20 years of blood and sweat and tears, and every dime I had, I'm done. And then through tears,

Joe basically concedes defeat to the animal rights groups, but says he still feels karma is coming for Carol. Baskins, then he vomits violently. So a lot to take in here, boys, but I got to tell you, after five episodes, up until this point, the very last thing that I thought I'd see Joe Exotic do is admit defeat. So losing some red cred, if you ask me, what say you? He got a little dramatic. He admitted defeat, and then the puking seemed fake to me.

listen, you'll lose all the red cred you got to so long as them charters go to. Right. I would throw every red piece of red cred I got to. I know. I was about to say. I was about to say, I think it's. No, I try to call you, Judge.

I ain't no pump. I think it's like another play of sorts. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I do too. It's a sympathy play at this point. Do you know what I mean? to get people on his side in the war against Carol Baskin and all she

represents. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, absolutely. It's not just him like truly growing and learning and all of this shit. It's him he's got a new angle on it now given his circumstances. He's pretty good at fake pukewkin.

Absolutely. Really good. All that. And let's not forget that it all came from a place of him trying to be an entertainer. That's true. You know what I'm saying, it all came from a place of him trying to hit real hard. Yeah, I mean, now that I think about it, the man can sing, he can do magic, he can put on tiger shows. Why couldn't he act?

Right, exactly. If you probably watched it. Of course, it can puke on command. All he's got to do is think about just so much that has happened. And when you're sitting in your guard, after you've lost everything, you've got two tigers left, what do you tell the camera? Well, I guess I'm done. At the last you'll see him, Joe and Johnny. So meanwhile, the, excuse me, no, I skipped ahead here.

I skipped ahead. Of course, in this situation, they're explaining all this to Jeff Lowe and his camp. And, of course, nobody's buying his bullshit, as illustrated here by fan favorite, fat fuck piece of shit, James Garrison. while he's making the exact type of joke that you would think that he would make. Check this motherfucker out. God, I hate him so bad. Whoa.

Is this it? That one hits. Right. What you got there, though? That's a lager. Yep. Joe cries victim that everybody's trying to take my zoo and everybody's trying to do this and that. Jeff will have already own the suit.

Joe just wanted to put it in somebody's name and they continue to be the target. I mean, he laughed. This was the way he laughed. Oh, he should have done that. So fucking hacking. It's the one last, too. He just,

he also said, shut your fat three chins up, you piece of shit. Look at him. Look at him. Show him back again. That's exactly the type of person. I can't.

No, no, no, no. No, no, no. No. But that was the part of me. Like, I don't know about y'all, but like when I saw that, I was so offended as a fucking comedian, like exclusively as a comedian.

It was so transparent what he had just done. Right. He tried to make it seem like it was a Freudian slip. Oh, ha, ha, ha, ha. Said it with his fat, fucking stupid face. Yeah, he did lose more credit, but he does gain it at the end. Is credit weight now? So, meanwhile, the reality crew goes to, and I guess this is the separate one or whatever,

the this might be Joe's people. Meanwhile, the reality crew goes to the zoo and they hide a camera in a bag so that they can film discreetly. Drew, that's very illegal, right? It depends on the state, man. I don't know. But a part of me was like,

dude, you already got all this consent to film there, like on paper. From Joe? Yeah, this is just so like nobody tells you to turn it off. You know what I mean? But, dude, I have no idea. Well, I just say because, like, even on, well, this,

the Zoom that we're doing in like Skype, I have to like tell y'all before I start recording legally. Reporters can investigate and there's some things carved out for them and it's state by state, you know, it's like a freedom of the press kind of thing. But I don't know how that, I mean, you know, I wouldn't know the exact answer without looking it up. My guess is documentary dude knew his laws. Right. And or, you know, like I said, he had some written consent forms to film there that he probably was like,

well, I'll just use these if I, feel like I have to. Right. And then by the time he got it to Netflix, you know, them lawyers don't fuck around. Jeff Lowe got rent a mansion money. He don't own, built a mansion, own the land it's on money. Heard that. So when they go there and they're illegal, well, not illegally,

allegedly, allegedly, in my mind, illegally filming, Marcia David, an employee, she works at the front there. She's employed at GWZU. She says that basically every customer that's come in since Joe has disappeared has been asking about Joe. and they were just all told to say that he retired. And our boy, my boy at least, Eric Cowie says that basically as soon as Joe was gone,

anything and everything with his name or face on it went into the burn pile. So I want to ask you this, what does Eric Cowie still being here in spite of Joe leaving say to y'all? Because to me, it means what we've been saying all along. He truly cares about the fucking animal. He wasn't just there to get Joe's meth and suck his fucking dick. Like he actually gives a shit.

He never comes out and says he has any animosity towards Joe or anything. But like, he's still hanging out and he seems to be the only motherfucker of the ones left that are hanging out. Well, there's saph. There's a, there's a few hanging out. I guarantee you, Cali very much feels like if I leave with this, these motherfuckers in charge. He didn't, you know what I mean? He was like, I got to stay here, you know, because I know how bad shit will get if I go, because I'm the only one left holding this place together.

We also talked about how he was clearly proud of his work there and making something of his life there, and I don't think he wanted to leave that behind. And then I don't want to skip ahead. You said something about animosity towards Joe. I won't get into it, but I think there's a scene later in this series where you could feel some animosity from Cowie towards Joe, maybe. Before I forget, a point I just thought of, of course, on your question about, you know, filming them illegally.

If I'm Jeff Lowe, I wouldn't make a stink about them putting that in the documentary. So maybe he just didn't give a shit. Once he saw the footage, the footage was his employee saying, we tell people Joe retired or whatever it is. And then the rest of it is, yeah, things are much better here now. Right. Like, you know, that makes you look good. And if his thinking is, well, when this documentary comes out,

I want to, you know, be in it. And I want to get free press for my Zoot. So maybe it is kind of illegal. And he just said, no, I'm giving permission to use it. It's not incriminating, so I don't give a shit. Right. So, and again, as we said, people, Eric Cowell is still being there. I don't think they come right out and say it, but John Rinky,

am I saying his name right or is it Ranking? I think it's Rinky. I think it's Rinkie. I don't think, like I said, I don't think they come right and say it. But John Rinkie is clearly either quit or been kicked off the property because when we catch up with him, he is at the Royal Palm Hotel, which I don't know if you remember seeing the Royal Palm Hotel that he was in, but it looks maybe slightly worse than the hotel that, you remember the hotel he used to give us in Jackson, Tennessee? Oh, yes. The place where

I promise you coronavirus started. So he is in a huge piece of shit hotel and John Rinky breaks the news that allegedly he's heard that Joe hired someone to kill Carol Baskins. He said he couldn't count the times. Everyone said, I wish that bitch was dead. John Finlay, of course, says that he took it as a joke and sweet saff says that she just really doesn't think that joe has it in him so to back up what saff says here about she doesn't think joe has it in him let's just say for a second that we never heard joe exotic wish death upon carroll and let's just say we never saw him possibly put snakes in her mailbox and also let's just say that we never saw him shove dildos and mannequin's mouth and then he named it carol and then he shot it in the head with an actual gun on my broadcast let's just say

we didn't know any of that. With everything else you know about Joe Exotic, do you think that he has it in him to put a head out on someone? No, no, absolutely not. You remember those minor factors that you just listed off, you know, which, I mean, could be chalked up to a lot of different variables. You know, you take those out of the equation, and I don't see what we've got left, you know?

I, on the other hand, feel like I could see him speak one time publicly, and then if you ask me that, I'd be like, yeah, I could see it. Right. clearly bullshit, of course. Yeah, no. I don't feel like, I don't feel like he did. I feel like it was all just what he was trying to put out.

I think he was, I think it was his art. I think he was like, yeah, as his persona, like, he found something. Like, what about Kathy Griffin when she cut Trump's head off and had it? I think she could kill a man.

Gore asked me if he could. Okay, so his head gets cut off and he show up in Kathy Griffin's house going, wow, I think you had a picture. No, I don't mean. No, no, no, okay. After everybody who knows that they hate Carol, because Carol's a dumb bitch who killed her husband. Right.

Yeah, but nobody else was accused of this. Are we at a place yet, show where we could talk about, like, what, you know, what do you think specifically might have happened, or not. We're getting there to building up what the story is. You're, so I'll wait. I mean,

we're getting, we're getting close. I would like to say that I did not believe that any of that, like, that Joe, according to what they had said. Alan and Jeff. That,

Saf and, no, no, no. The question was after what Saf had said and what Cowie had said, would I believe, that he did what he said. And the answer is no, even after all that shit.

I mean, I think, like what you're saying about Kathy Griffin and all, all that, first of all, you ought not be doing that every single night, if,

meaning going on your own TV show and fake killing a bitch or whatever, if for no other reason, then let's say hypothetically somebody tries to kill that bitch, you probably going to get a phone call. Like,

it just ain't a good look. But having said that, I don't think that, Just all of that shit as crazy as I think it is. I don't think that means that he would, like, actually kill a person. Absolutely not. I agree with you. But, like, you know.

Just don't do that. Right. But you got way more sense. It's a bad breed. Not only do you have more sense that you also understand the Internet. You also understand your viewers. People who are, like, he's trying to bring in people. people, do you see what I'm saying?

Yeah, he's only got 80 and 9. He clearly don't know how it works. Do what now? Yeah, he's only got 80 viewers in that at this point. He clearly doesn't know how it works. Right, exactly. He's trying to work. Let's move on.

Let's move on. He says how many viewers are going to laugh. Okay, okay. So Joe's security guard, Mark Thompson, says that Joe came to him and said, hey, I heard you can take care of a problem for me down in Florida. And Mark said, what problem? And Joe said, Carol Baskin. And Mark said, no.

absolutely I cannot and I won't. He then says that being around Joe a lot, you see different sides of him. And I would now like to show you at least one side of Joe. His bud. When I do the time of the psychology, that's what I'm going to take the dust. Not a good look. That's a bad raid. Right.

Yeah. There again, probably or not. Probably why he burnt them tapes too. How many times he said some shit like that? just go to Tampa with a gun anymore. Don't just smirk. That's the only way I'll go to Tampa, baby. Never do that.

We'll need to see two forms of ID, and one of those is your name written in cursive on a pistol. Yeah. So James Garrison... Or the passport. James Garrison is now being filmed in his business, straight up saying on tape that he had physically heard Joe and Jeff talking about the easiest way to kill Carol. Joe had mentioned to Jeff that she rides a bike path every day with no one around her.

He even says that Jeff looked it up on Google Maps to find the best place to hide and shoot her, which seems like hearsay until they literally cut to Jeff just straight up admitting that he did that. He also says that Travis, poor one out, poor Travis, said that he would do it, but Joe balked at the idea because he didn't want his husband and lover going to Joe. And really, why would you when resident Mongoloid Alan Glover is just a CB call away? Am I right? Absolutely. And did Craig me from Roncor?

That whole Google Maps thing, Jeff Flo, being the one who brought up on Google Maps, didn't he say something like, look, all that was is that I was the only one who was smart enough to know that you could do that or something? Exactly what he said. Yeah. But it's like that still, it was all his shit. That still is just another way of you saying that it was your idea. Like if Ted Kaczynski just taught someone how to make the bomb, he didn't do shit. Yes.

Right. Yeah, that's quite literally what conspiracy to commit a murder is. Exactly. I mean, that dude made a deal. Yeah, 100%. So Alan says, let's see, DJ just hit my computer. No, you're fine, buddy. Alan says that Joe asked him several times if he knew anyone that could kill her and even gave him a crossbow and told him,

he could kill her with that, to which Alan responded with something like, bitch, are you serious? I'm going to have to be covert ops wearing a goddamn swamp-colored gilly suit to pull this off. Think a fucking big-ass crossbows going to defeat the purpose. Paraphrasing. But, you know, that's who Alan is as a person. It's pointed out that Alan has a tear drop. This, man, DJ, I really wanted you in here for this.

Pea quick! It's pointed out that Alan has a tear-drop tattoo, and that is why everyone figured that he'd do it, because apparently that means that you've killed someone. one. Has it, hasn't that been debunked? Is that a real thing? I think it's both, right? I think it's one of those things because it was such a rumor. It became a thing, but like it's not like nobody will give it to you. You know what I mean? And

when you're in prison, people lie all the time, so they're scary. I feel like where that guy and possibly murdering is concerned, the teardrop tattoo is a little bit of a straw on a camel's back situation. Of course, I guess it should be pointed out that Alan, and to use a tray word here, ostensibly did at least agree to do it once on account of by his own admission. He said, I'll cut her fucking head off if you want. How the fuck is this dude still walking the streets and do an interview?

He made a deal. He made a deal, and it's pretty clear Jeff did too. And the only question in my mind that's left is, did Jeff plan all this out? Did he set Joe up? It's pretty clear to me that Jeff, Allen, and Joe did all this. And I know DJ, you don't think Joe was involved,

but, like, you know, he's on tape talking about it. They played it at the truck. You think he actually gave him $3,000 to go down there to blow, to shoot her. I have no idea if he actually gave him $3,000 or not, but I do know that he's on tape talking about paying him to kill her. They played it at the truck.

I know he's it. Here's what I mean, my general theory, like, on what you were just saying, Drew, I think because Joe's been going on camera, talking about now he'd love to kill this bitch for years and years. Jeff comes in, he's got a jail problem, wants to get rid of Joe. Jeff's like, I bet we could pretty easily get him to, you know, commit to having her killed or whatever, some version of that. Here's what we're going to do, Mongoloid slave, Alan. We're going to put this in his head, make us.

seem very plausible or whatever. We're going to make the whole plan, tape the whole thing. You're going to get three grand out of it, but you know what? Just take that three grand and go look at some Tudis of South Carolina for all I give a fuck. You know, like you.

You ain't got to actually pull them about. Just agree to do it, get the money to leave, and then we got it. Corey. What I think. Yes, true. Do you have the clip of their phone conversation pulled up?

I don't want to jump on it if you do. I do. I figure it. I just want to say true. True. Yes. Yes, DJ. Remember when he's up here at this pizza place?

Yeah Was the dude with the fucking Pizza thing Not Mongolo and Alan? We found him He lives in chicken mong and he makes pepperoni slices boys That was him

Man, he doesn't know Yeah But if that was him That dude was dumber and Alan man I could have convinced him To pay me $3,000 to kill somebody I know I'll say just real

One of like Well, Trey What bought I mean? by that is he's so dumb we shouldn't talk about how dumb he is. Do you know what I'm getting? Okay, yeah, fair enough. But as far, all that show, just that theory I had, at the end of day, Joe still, like, Joe still

actively participated in it. They have him on tape doing so. I think he's actively participating in the sense that he is an entertainer. It's a performative participation. It's a performance piece. You know, a murder. A performance.

I don't believe that he ever gives anybody You know what, DJ? You're right, man. Him and Charlie Manson, I feel like have that in common. Yeah, they didn't actually do shit. Performance murder. Exactly. Oh, y'all want to do that?

No, we do not. That's a different non-podcast episodes. So even though, from what all we hear, it seems like Joe is trying to put together a like hush, hush mission to kill Carol Baskins. He is, of course, utterly bereft of the ability to remain, even the least bit hush, and he goes so far as to do this. So, Joe put a picture of the property on Facebook, and it said,

Tommy Fowler's a big minute. Jesus. Again, not making a good case for himself. No, quite the opposite, in fact. He's trying to hit. He's trying to hit. The poor boy don't know how to hit yet. DJ, you should have been his.

lawyer. I don't think it would have worked, but it would have come closer than whatever the fuck they went with. Oh yeah. If the mine is trying to hit, you must have quit. I'll tell you what pissed me off at his lawyer, by the way. Well, never mind. Go ahead.

This is later. It's pretty clear from the documentary that they didn't put Jeff on the stand. I'd have crossed his ass up. Oh, I'd have his, oh, oh, Jeff. Yeah. All that, huh? It's just, it's just

fucking, and I know that these people exist because we're like literally doing a deep dive podcast on one of them, but like this person like I don't see how you can be the same guy who like ran a very successful business for years, knows how to train tigers, knows how to trick every

fucking 19 year old dick into fucking his old crusty butt, but then you're also the same person who thinks like, I should put this on the internet. That'll be fine. Some people hold on. Some people We got an anna worms, and he still be doing shit.

That's who that boy is. What I was going to say, Corey, is that some people are only very good at one thing. DJ just gave us a great example of that. DJ's very funny. Tell me I'm lying. He couldn't lie. That's exactly what I was going to say. Tell me how bullshit this whole time I was like, man, the only edits I'm going to have to make

or just these small ones when I'm sharing the screen. So, no, surely I won't have to watch this whole episode through and make sure that everything's fine. I stand by. Joe. Oh, no, you stand by what you said. It's fine, but not that shit. You don't think he's like that damn,

f***lems? Ask the guy that. Asked the doctor. The doctor literally can't tell me. The doctor can't. The man's the white. You can't look up. A little bit of the animal.

You can't. I ain't a winner. idol workers Corey Did you just please just beat the name out Corey please just beep the name out that's the funny

Okay honestly that's you're right That boy met up with people Shut up We've already got it We've got the bit It's done

Fucking Joe if I could offer an actual theory as to what you're saying You're like how can this guy You didn't think it's up wrong man I don't feel like everything is right It's just that it's being taped, and we have to put it out,

and certain people might see it, and then we have to have a conversation. Oh, Corey, Corey. Says about everybody. Pause, Corey. You know how good DJ is at stand-up comedy? The best. That's my explanation. The Tiger King was good at being a Tiger King.

He was not good at anything else. It's a similar example. He's putting it out there in public. Sometimes people who are good at one thing, don't know they or not put stuff out in public. And similar to what I was about to say, you know what? Isn't really any help to him in all of this internet and video fuckupree that he engages in? Tigers.

Yep. Yeah. All that other shit you said that he has pulled off all tigers. Every step of the way. Carol Vaskin didn't have her own tigers. He definitely would have beat her. She had joined him, but she had her own tigers. That's what she would be her own tigers.

She wouldn't be shit. She was impervious to him, though, because he didn't have to beat somebody with their own tigers. That's right. You're right. You're like, you're 100% right. You are. Joe's got the upper hand as long as the other person don't have tigers. But when everybody got tigers, Joe should have got a lie.

Matter of fact, have we looked into the people who beat him in that election in Oklahoma and whether or not they had tigers? Somebody should. Somebody probably did. Christ, don't they cross. Let's move on. Remember, quit moving in the chair. It makes sounds. It makes sounds.

Great family. So Jeff Lowe and James decided to discuss asking Carol Baskins for $500,000 in exchange for them giving her information that would take down Joe. Jeff is going to give James $150,000 for his part in placing the phone calls. And I want to stop here for a second before I share this clip. But yesterday or the last episode, I said that the least surprising thing about this series was that Joe had a Prince Albert. But I'm going to have to absolutely walk that back after seeing this because this is the least surprising thing in the entire documentary. Joe thought I was working in and I would never turn on. I told on us, because you know what?

I'm calling James Gibson and more than that. So Jefflow decided, hey, let's make. Eat it up. You knew good well. That's the most Applebee's. Dude, if that, I swear to God, if right when he said,

me and Jeff Flo decided to meet at and they put a little blank and somebody put a gun to my head and said, Corey, I will blow your fucking head off if you can't guess where they're going to meet. I would have said,

Applebee stole the gun and pistol whip that. And you know he's the type of person. Both of them were like, that's all he wanted in life. All he wanted in life was to be able to own a titty bar and go to Applebee's. Hey man, it's a good deal. You're eating good in the neighborhood. Yeah.

It's a jet ski riding some bitch that he's there. Isn't it amazing how different a strip club and Applebee's are, yet how the same they are at the same time? Yeah, man, let's go back here and let's talk about God damn. let's talk about how these people are literally like, well, you know what? You know, I've just had about enough of this

foolishness with Joe Exotic over here. I'll see how much money Carol Baskins will give me for just fucking him. Yeah, man. Huge pieces of shit. And they think they're the fucking heroes. No, here's the whole thing. The FBI thinks that they're the hero.

Well, fuck the FBI. This is the case. That the fucking, okay. No, no. Go ahead. This is why the government is the worst people. That's why the government is the enemy in this entire fucking thing is because you are watching this case be made by these two complete. God damn.

Bags of shit. Bags of shit. They are making this case and the government jumps in as like. Oh, yeah, that sounds. Well, buddy, if you're looking for an argument here, you're not going to get one. I know. I'm not looking for an argument. I'm looking at why the government needs not be there anymore.

So anyways, after they meet at Applebee's and James eats, I assume, everything, Carol gets a phone call from James and ignores it when she sees it's an Oklahoma number and immediately calls and reports the number to, the National Fish and Wildlife Agency who apparently they say has the same authority as the FBI but focuses just on animals. And I'm not going to look into it or do even the least amount of research, but that just sounds like bullshit to me. That sounds like something that somebody who works for the fish and wildlife would tell somebody. Exactly. Like, you know, you can tell you what, patting their little gun, we got just the same authority as the FBI only, you know, it just applies

to animals. So, you know, what I'm saying is, is we can kill black people too as long as they're Jaguars. Yeah, they sound like this. And they can, for the record, you think they can't get away with shooting a black guy? They absolutely can. Absolutely, they can. Yeah, as long as they are Jaguars.

No, dude, no, look, obviously, it's like, obviously, like, it's humorous and all that shit, but like, dude, they got agents like that and I'll see those fucking, and they do have authorities. And I'm saying that don't hit, but I'm saying, like, that's how that shit works, you know?

They got, like, a fucking secret. There's the craziest fucking police officer of any type I've ever come across. and you can, well, the second craziest, the craziest one tried to fight my client who was 16 and then told me all about it. But that's the side. The fucking game warden in Sunbright, when I was growing up,

he ain't there anymore. He came to career day, and it was, he was talking about, like, having stakeouts and shit. And I remember one of the teachers was like, well, I like to take pictures of them, and I go with my kids and I shine my lights on them. You know, I don't have a gun or anything,

though, that's legal, right? And he goes, ma'am, you don't understand the kind of operations we deal with. they've got little Susie and Mama in the car shining lights on them. Meanwhile, Daddy's over here in a tree in full camouflage. And I'm like, dude, what the fuck are you? No, we drive by drunk and we shoot a deer at the window. That's it.

But they get off on that stuff. And to like just just to just throw it into concrete to make sure it's secured, right? Yeah. God damn. Jeff and Carol were in here plotting. like her calling the game warden is absolute proof that they were already in coheets what they call them cohoots

cohoots coheets they already heard of the one who is so frequently been in cahoots i thought you'd know that word cohoots yeah cohoots in cambrae yeah but yeah coheets and cambrae but listen like that that just shows it like that she would just be like oh well i'm with dj number.

I'm just going to go ahead and call it. They were already in cahoots. Old buddy that was taking the goddamn video of doing the goddamn other goddamn show that he had, the internet show. He was in cahoots with her. No, I think he just fucked off to Texas to do crap. But he obviously talked to her at one point.

Right, but not, okay, not to circle back too much to that, but like, dude, she didn't, I firmly believe that she didn't have nothing to offer him. So she didn't know that was his number. Well, I'm saying she, like, he said she saw an Oklahoma number, and I'm sure she gets a rams. So she didn't know that it was an Oklahoma number, and she didn't know that it was his number.

She did know it was an Oklahoma number. But she didn't know that it was his number. She doesn't have James Garrison's number. I don't know why she would. Because they were in cahoots. Oh, right. Sure. So she called a goddamn.

But if they were in cahoots, that she wouldn't have even had to fake to get the phone call, they did just say. going to have to look at her phone calls. Okay, that's fair. That's fair. That's fair. I was talking about Rick. I thought you, I thought you circled back to Rick earlier. So I was just lost.

I did. I was just talking about how much Carol was trying to get this motherfucker. Without a doubt, Carol had it out for him too. Oh, yeah. So it wasn't like she wasn't offering money. This is a big, I think this is a big evidence for her going to people who are close to him. and offering them money and getting them into what she's doing

so that she could get rid of his fucking ass. So after we find out about the National Fish and Wildlife Agency, an agent from the NFW showed up at James Shop and let him know that he was in trouble and that he needed to cooperate. And what was he in trouble for, you may ask? Oh, only the purchase of a lemur with falsified paperwork. and I'll tell you,

I can't stand a son of a bitch who falsifies lemur documents. Can you? No. I bet he did that in the back of an ample beast. 100%. And this clip right here, I feel, lets you know all you need to know

about James and how he feels about the situation. I don't agree with the laws. I think the fucking years to go. I don't like to go. That's me personally. But what do you? fucking move. I thought about it for a couple weeks and I was like,

do I want to get involved in this? And I thought it was a noble thing to do. Look at this motherfucker wall. So, she is billowing in the wind. He was all ready down and did this was all set up and they all got money from Carol.

I'll tell you. So that's where we get the name of our episode, the noble thing to do. And guys, when you look at James Gerritson, isn't, I mean, what more than noble is the first thing noble, noble, regal yeah absolutely he looked like a fucking Buick regal

it got teased somewhere earlier in the episode but like again dude this motherfucker this motherfucker love snitching he could wait to snooze like the noble thing to do like dog he like thoroughly enjoys it and you can tell every owner of a strip club loves a snitch

I believe that every other there's other points in the series where James says things like he like very coily will say things like and you know I may not be done yet we'll see what you know what I mean like I'm just getting started this whole thing we'll see what else like like dude I think yeah and I think he's eluding to Jeff ass and Applebee's I think he's alluding to Jeff when he says that shit and and I think that he played a role I think like you said he enjoys it but more than anything, I think that what I respect about him, let me say that, to try and say one thing I respect about this man, he knows who he is, even though he pretends to lie, you know,

for whatever reason, saving face or he thinks he'll look better on that documentary. And I think he does everything he wants to do. Oh, he is who he is. Yeah. You can't knock that about him. Now, that boy, that boy got down, like, he into some shady shit, but off the top, he sketchy. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. He knows he's

sketchy. Every time he's being a hypocrite, he's aware of it. Oh, exactly. Exactly. So in one of James's first moves as an official informant, which I'm, God, I'm certain that he just jerked off to be in that so much.

James told the FBI that Allen was going to make the hit and the FBI called Carol and informed them that there was a possible hit out on them. sidebar here. Drew, how do you think that Carol's husband would sound if he was about to be

murdered? I think he would whine like a lemur. Yeah. I think he would be down on his knees crying. I mean, you saw him in that tiger outfit. Again, I go back to him in that tiger outfit with the collar on and her in that white dress. They

look like something out of a fucking 70s nightmare. Yes, they absolutely do. He's a bitch. I would like to bring this up. This isn't James' first rodeo of being a confidential informant. No, he's been to every kind of rode. That motherfoot, he had to toad all.

He had told it. He that told the folks, y'all. Sorry. No, buddy, you were absolutely fine. Now, here we go. Now enter. Oh, God, damn it. That ain't right.

No, no, no, no. I ain't showing it. No, no, I ain't showing it again. Now, I just wanted to show for reference. Oh, my God. Yeah, now we enter Lady Amanda Green of Tarth. The federal prosecutor for the Department of Justice who says she'd heard recorded conversations between Alan Garrison and Joe Exotic,

who she refers to as Mr. Maldonata Passage. Is that the first time he's been called Maldonata Passage? That's two husbands last name. And it comes up a couple times. But yeah, he took his two husbands. I'm like, I'm like he's got. And that first name that nobody could pronounce, that was his first husband, but we never met.

Treebolt. Yeah, whatever. I don't know. Yeah. Shrim boat. No fruit boat. Whatever the fuck. Anyway.

I feel like if you ain't calling him, John, Donning, you're on the wrong side of this whole thing. I know, like, I know she's got to be official, but bitch, we're doing a documentary here. We don't want to all have to go Google who the fuck man. And she's so, God-Dame, dramatic. And then the state written, and then she starts waiting her closing argument. That's the most investigation that she did

in this entire fucking thing and find out what his last name was. Every fucking thing else was given to her and by my fucking like, that's the only thing she did was find out. That's true. Everything else was given to her by Jeff and fucking James. That's actually fairly fairly,

fairly accurate. By the way, here, DJ, I'll say this, and I go back to it, she didn't put Jeff Lowe on the stand. She used James that was super smart of her. I can't believe the defense didn't call Jeff and basically accuse him of being a part of it. I truly cannot believe that. Really?

Yeah, if I was in defense, I'd have called Jeff immediately, and I'd have put it all on him. And my closing argument would have been... Not much of fucking shitty, fucking deals because you're a shitty goddamn FBI agent. No, I'm saying if I'm the defense lawyer. If I'm Joe Exotic's lawyer, I'm calling just to the stand, and I'm asking him about those deals. And then when it's time for closing argument, I'm going, the greasy motherfucker in the do-rag did it.

Exactly. Yeah. Do you right. So she had heard these recorded conversations between Joe Exotic and Alan Garrison, which indicated that there was a plot coming together and that if there was a hit about to take place, Alan would know about it. James says, Alan, this is a huge shocker to me. James says that Alan was drinking a shit ton and doing a lot of cocaine and telling everyone if they rat it on him, he'd kill them motherfuckers. Again, didn't see that coming. And after that, wouldn't you know, Alan disappeared from the zoo. So Alan is gone. The fishing game people didn't

know what to do, unlike the FBI. who would have actually done something, James Garrison was told by the feds that he should make small talk with Alan over text to check on his whereabouts. Amanda Green says that the conversation between James and Allen seemed to indicate that the plot was over

and that Alan was just going back home to South Carolina where, of course, he's from. But don't take the Fed's word for it. Let's hear what Alan had to say about it. Look at her. That's a linebacker for Iowa. That bitch. You know anybody

on the phone? What do you offer us in exchange? That's your understanding that he gave you that money and he did it for the purpose of you going down to Tampa and getting a car of us. Yeah, he gave me $3,000 to get $5,000

that one is not to spend the money That is In true red-ass fashion. It's not about the money. It's about fucking him over. I'd also like to point out that $3,000 seems to be the amount of money that you can get someone murdered for by a tiger. And what the fuck else was $3,000? A celica.

In decent condition. What was that? A celica in decent condition. Yeah, no shit. Hey, listen, I want to say something right here. You guys ask me legal questions a lot. and a lot of times I'm bullshit and sometimes I'll be like,

I don't know, maybe this, maybe that. In my heart for a fact, that man just used statutory language on purpose to set that motherfucker up. When Jeff said, was it your understanding?

That's your first time point. In exchange for, he sounded literally like a cop trying to get someone to confess. He's putting that on tape. He knows he's being tape. And then they start talking about it immunity later in that phone conversation.

My point with that is he coached that man to say it and he had a script himself so that he could get it all down. And I'll tell you another thing about Jeff Lowe. If his buddy Allen couldn't have got immunity, he'd have fucked him over to. God damn. I'm so

in a heart, dude. I'm so upset at myself because I played a clip out of order. What I wanted to play, that was what I wanted to play here in a minute once they talk about. because Howard Bich McConnell Baskins

said the feds don't want to investigate a murder for hire unless it's rock solid which means that a transfer of money would have had to take place and since it seems that didn't happen that is until we hear from Jeff Lowe who'd been recording these phone calls and that is when that happened. The clip that I wanted to play, I'm so fucking mad,

was that when they said that the plot seemed to be over because Alan was just going back to South Carolina. Right, because he had just got some goddamn money and went down there and saw some tiniies and that damn got fucked up. Yeah, well, watch this. And then he came back now.

Hush, motherfucker. That's a linebacker. God damn, that's a free safety. Apparently, got to chicken the fuck out and it makes it start a party instead. I've been such a scatterbrown. It's tough always things happen, but as that's not for the best. At that point,

we say, stop. All right, so clearly I went out of order, and I'm so fucking mad at myself, because up until this point, I nailed the clips and I was so fucking worried about it, but I wasn't going to let that clip go unclipped. Yeah, I mean, what happened there, man, was Jeff set Joe up.

Now, I want to be clear, set him up, but he did it, but he set him up to do it. And then he took his evidence, and the feds go, that ain't enough. Well, what else do you need? Exchange, all right, give me two fucking days. Like, Jeff Lowe, is the mastermind behind all this bullshit.

Now, again, I want to be very clear. Joe Exotic did make plans in my belief in my heart to kill her, but he was guided every fucking step of the way by Jeff Flo. And the language he used on that phone conversation versus the language right there even. He goes, I chickened out. He didn't say I was never planning on doing it anyway. Because that would have made the case harder to sell. Right.

And I did want to get into that. we're here at the end. We know, so the government knows, uh, at least because of this phone call that money indeed had been exchanged. And so they indicted Joe. Joe had broken his lease in Oklahoma and hauled ass out of there and,

uh, designed his face. This is what you were talking about earlier. He designed his Facebook and social media to make it seem like he was in Belize. Uh, but of course he fucking wasn't. And they found him in a parking lot in Florida.

At one point, Alan was like, Mr. Informant was like, I've seen a picture. That's fucking Gulf water right there. That ain't goddamn Belize. He's in Florida.

So they find him in a parking lot in Florida. We come to the end of the episode with Joe Exotic in jail. Of course he was in Florida. He's white trash from off a home on the run. Fucking Belize. Everybody goes to Florida. Fucking Belize. He had to Google how to spell Belize before he updated his goddamn status.

This motherfucker was in Belize. So we come to end of that episode. You remember outside Providence? Yeah. He gets back. I went to Florida. Of course you went to Florida. Everybody wants to go to Florida.

Who doesn't want to go to Florida? It's white trash. Of course. So we come to the end of the episode with Joe Exotic in Jail and Carol Baskins were rejoicing. But of course, Joe is adamant that he was frank. So what say you, boys say? I mean, obviously, I know that he wanted her dead, but I could also see this being a screw job, as we've alluded to,

is that I think Joe's the type of person that is all taught. Like, he's one of those like, hold me back, don't hold me back, hold me back, don't hold me back, motherfuckers who will like say that they will kill you, but will not kill you. and they will talk about, I'm going to have this bitch killed, but then when it comes down to it, it's too big of a pussy.

But he set up all this for someone to just swoop in. That's how I feel. I think it's both. I think he got set up, but I do think he did it. And the reason I think he did it, Corey, is the prosecutor said, I have him on tape saying he did pay him.

And that came out at trial. It's not in the documentary, but that was a big part of the trial. He's apparently on tape saying, not just I want her dead, not just I will pay you, saying I paid, you know, I paid that guy. Now, he could have been running his mouth. He wasn't talking, you know what I mean?

He was talking to like one of his boys. He could have still been performing. Yeah, he could have been. I believe that Jeff Lowe played him like a fiddle and set him up. But I do think Jeff Lowe is so careful that Joe gave him the money. I think Joe gave out on the money. Dude, I 100% believe Joe gave him the money. I mean, I pretty much agree with you.

completely. That's also what I think. I think Jeff, like you said, played him. That was the game the whole time. Joe didn't realize it. But Joe, you know, fucking went for it, hook line and sinker. But again, that makes it sound like he got completely fucked over by the whole thing. He still, like,

he went with it. He wanted to kill her. He paid money thinking it was going to result in her big kill. He still did all that. But, yeah, the only thing I'm mad about is that Jeff Lowe is not behind bars. Right. No, I agree with you. Absolutely. Well, let's see what our guest, Tom Bell, thanks about it. Tom Bell, hilarious committee.

We're going to bring him in here in just a second. Yep, another one of them situations where we're just going to be in different clothes because we did this on a completely different day. Hope you're enjoying the show. Love you. Scoot. Tom. You all, what's happening?

What's up, man? We're doing all right? Can we, let me push this back. Yeah. Hold on. How'd I see everybody? Hell of you. You can't hear us?

Hear us okay? Got everybody. Okay, right on. Well, here he is, Mr. Tone Bell, everybody. A comedian and actor, extraordinary, originally from Georgia and I live in L.A. Thanks for joining us, Tone. Yeah, man. Thank you for having me.

Thank you for having me. You got a kitty shirt. Man, I couldn't. Hey, I got to come prepare, baby. Hell, yeah, I like it. We just, we prepare mostly just by trashing it up, you know, because it's such a white trash opus this series. series.

And I wore my high school shirt today because we were the Tigers. Yeah, there you go. So just generally speaking, what were your thoughts? So episode six is where shit really starts to fall apart for Joe, which when the murder for hire plot really starts coming together against him and things are just not going well. How are you feeling about at this part of the series? I mean, Joe got by a lot farther enough.

thought he was going to get by episode. Yeah. I mean, like, I don't know about y'all, but even just watching the whole series, I had to remember that these are real people. Right.

Like, I had to keep checking myself like, man, these people exist. Yeah. Yeah, because it seems like they know. And everybody,

like, this is basically what a conspiracy is, right? Like, but now we're hearing everybody that knows about it. So it's real. Right? this plot to kill Carol. And I'm watching Tiger,

I'm talking to Tiger King and Ozark the same time. So I'm like, I'm looking at Carol like, this bitch is went to hand. Yeah, man. Yeah, she's the mastermind. Why? Did you, do you think that? This dude, Jeff.

Okay, no, go ahead. No, I was actually about to bring him up. So go ahead and say whatever you're about to say. Okay, so like Jeff Lowe came in. He came in hot, like ruining so much shit. Like, Jeff came in. I mean, he's talking about a bad relationship. He came over all this baggage.

I mean, tigers in bag. He got tigers and suitcases. He got tigers or carry-over. Yeah, everything about it is so insane. It's one of those things. It's like I saw someone else tweet this, but it was a screenshot of, from a previous episode, I think, but it was from Carol and her current husband's wedding

where he's like a caveman and there's that one picture of him on his knees with a leash around his neck and the tweet said seriously y'all this ain't even top 20 wildest ass shit you see in this series like you forget you forget this even happens

by the end of this one episode because of how much crazier everything else is and it's true dude the carry-ons with tigers in them like it's like how how How confident does this is like the third husband? Right. Because she was married at like 20 to 24, but she got with.

So the second husband is the one that disappeared, right? And then you got this third husband. And he is at part of episode six where he's like, where the plot is against her. He wakes up out of bed and she's holding the shotgun already. Right. He has to be fucked up. Yeah. Dude, clearly.

dude, he's terrified. I mean, I don't blame him. I ain't trying to get eaten by a tiger neither, you know. I probably mind my piece of cues too. Just the series, how did you get in on this early? Or did you see all the insanity of everybody talking about it? And you were like, I got to see what this is about. Or how did you come to the show?

I definitely was just trying to push it away. I was trying to like, you know what? I'm good. I don't need to, because it comes off more like a reality show than it does a documentary. Yes, definitely. Right. And you don't fuck with reality shows. No.

Yeah, no, me, maybe. In this recap, so I can say whatever. It's not what I'll spoil. Yeah, yeah, no, no. Go for it. Man, as much as I hate a snitch, my man James, I think his name is James. Yeah, yeah. My man was like, where do I sign? Yeah, I know.

I know. We were just talking about that earlier. Like, dude, he loves to snitch, don't it? Like, he can't wait. Like, he's like itching to snitch again, dude. You can't wait to snitch. Applebee's, strivers, lemurs, and snitching, and jet skis. That's all my man.

That motherfucker had his hand raised all through school. Like, every single day in class, he's just in the back. Me, pick me. Did somebody say CI? Does somebody say CI? I mean, and then, like, everybody knows a good conspiracy plot for murder happens at Applebee's. I mean, you got to go to the neighborhood grill. You got to go to his neighborhood grill, like, really roll out the blueprint.

Right. You can't be spending full price on apps if you got to murder for hire. You got to get the half-priced apps for conversation like that. So you said you pushed it away for a little bit. When did you give in? What was your breaking point? Man, I think it was a tweet. It's a tweet I saw from a bunch of comics in L.A.

and they were just going over how much wild shit was happening. Right. And then I gave it like, I was like, all right, let me just, I'll start episode one and just see, see how far, before I have to get up and do something. And I was, I think, I tweeted like, I'm 70 seconds, 77 seconds in, and I was going to bed, but I'm definitely up now. Yeah. That shit took off.

Yes, very much so. Do you, you already said you don't really like reality TV, and I don't either, but like, I mean, you're from Georgia, right? You grew up in Georgia, right? You're from Dakota. Yeah, is there right? Yeah. Like, how do you feel about

just general, like, white trashery? Like, is that typically a thing that you can, you know, be entertained by or laugh at on its own or did just have to, like, train and that? Here's the thing. When you get to, like, good reality shows are, like, very, like, subgroups of major groups.

Yeah. All that shit is. impressive. Right. You can go, look, man, I can watch Black Ink on VH1. I can also watch Moonshiners,

and I'm entertained by both. Right, yeah. It's hilarious, but I just, like, but it's one of those. I never plan to watch it, but if I get caught, man, I'm in for like four hours.

Right. What do you think about, it's only very briefly referenced in this whole series that's when Shaq shows up very briefly because Shaq got one of his tigers from Joe Exotic. And they showed that clip

of Shaq, shouting out Joe Exotics. I got a couple Tigers. That let us, we start talking about, like, I don't know if you know the song Liger by Young Thug, but it's one of mine and Corey's favorites, but the chorus of it, he literally says, I'm familiar, but I don't know the lyric. The chorus of it, he says,

everybody got tigers, so I'm going to go get a Liger. Like, I'm so different from, I don't want to be like them. So because they all have tigers, I need a lager to set myself apart. And we first heard it. I was like, dude, everybody's got tigers?

Like in the rap world or whatever. And Mike Tyson famously had tigers. So it's like, it seems like tigers can just cross all barriers and boundaries for a certain type of person. There's just something about a tiger, apparently, that just grabs people. It's the claws. It's like, I mean, it's like, yeah. Also, I don't know. is this easy to get a tiger?

No shit, right? $2,000, you wouldn't want a tiger, you can get more. I know, it's crazy. Yeah, I can afford a tiger. It's not that expensive. It's two grand.

I mean, like, it's harder to get an ultima. Yeah, but there's less upkeep on a Selica, though. You know what I mean? Like, they're good cars. You don't have to spend $10,000 a year on them. That's a bit. do you think you know anybody or have ever met or spent time with anybody that would fuck with tigers? Like, have you ever known like a tiger person?

Man, I feel like I do know a dude. Maybe not in Florida, in Florida, in Florida for sure. Right, yeah. In Florida. Yeah, there was a dude at 07 that where I used to live in Miami for a little bit. And there's a dude who was like, who definitely had animals and shit. I saw a bunch of birds and, like, hits and monkeys and shit. I never saw a tiger, but I'm sure he probably has a tiger guy.

Yeah, well, you got to have a tiger guy. I mean, but they say, even in the series, they were saying, like, everybody starts off of, you know, you start off with something, then you work your way up the tiger. Yeah, a bobcat. Bobcat's a good starter predator, apparently. Yeah, Bobcat is the weight of the tiger world. Yeah, right.

It's a gateway predator. What do you think about? Do you feel like, I don't know, I'm out of turn this. How do you rank the like levels of shithead in this series? You ain't got to go down the whole list. But I'm talking about the major players like Joe, Jeff Lowe, Carol. Yeah. Yeah.

Did you Mount Rushmore? Right. How do you view them as far as who's shittier? Okay. I'm, I think I'm going to still go Carol number one. Yeah. Right. Why?

Why do you, why do you, why do you, put Carol number one, do you think? And I quote, I forget which episode this is, but, I mean, one, she just has that, like, you know she's devious, but she comes off, like, I'm just a great person. But at one point, remember when she said she was, like, talking about what Joe and Doc do and other Tiger, other Tiger, these roadside zoo people, and she was like, they're exploiting them and killing them. And then I quote, she says, what we do here is, we give them a safe place to live until they die.

I'm like, that's prison, bitch. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's the, you know, not that fucking that whole thing about, you know, that famous Norm McDonnell quote about Bill Cosby, except it actually applies to her. It's like the worst thing is the hypocrisy, you know.

It's like the hypocrisy, the self-righteousness, I think, is what pisses people off so much about hers because the rest of them are all very up front about what they're doing. They are about it about it. But she acts like she's a saint and she's different from them. She's the good guy. They're the bad guys. While she does all the same shit and also, you know, is the only one

who, you know, Joe didn't feed anybody to tigers that we're aware of. When you started when you started seeing her bringing this big ass staff for no money and they're graduating like Taekwondo

right yeah into different shirts got a green belt in tiger slavery yeah everybody's like I gotta get I gotta get that blue shirt I gotta get that she's fucking people up what about what about old Boggavan

Doc Antel how you feel about him and all his concubines and how he runs his operation up there wait I'm back yeah yeah yeah yeah we're you now all right to like leave that room okay so Doc, Doc is probably my favorite

because he's the, he's the, he's the most, he's the creepiest one to me. Yeah, right. With, with these concubines. But it's like, like, we all heard that he takes him from teenagers

and traps him there. Right. Right. So this is very R. Kelly to me. It's very awkward. And it's, it's also impressive that, I mean,

he's even one, girl was like my dad dropped me off. Do you remember what the dad's last words to his daughter were? Don't fall in love with your boss. And she was like, dad. Yeah. And that is bitch feeds tigers eight days. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

The tiger man's tag. Yeah. He was like, don't fall in love with a tiger man. Anyway, there's the tiger man. So, buy. You can't miss him. He's riding a fucking elephant. Elephant. But here's the thing.

When he wrote the elephant, I thought about that two ways, because I already hated him. Right. Watching a documentary. So now when he rose and like riding the tiger, I go, and fuck this dude.

This is corny. This is super corny. And then I'm like, man, but if I saw that in person, I probably think that was pretty dope. Okay. All right. So on that note, actually,

it's another recurring thing. we've talked about. I mentioned earlier, apparently tigers just transcend for a lot of people, but like, his concubines, the people that work for Joe, the people that volunteer for Carol, they got like mechanics doing shit for free. There's that one guy who's working

for literal scarface, and they're like, he might murder you, and he's like, I don't give a shit. You see the cats he's got? Like, the shit that people will do to fuck with these animals. And, like, we were talking, like, Jeff Lowe's such a fucking douchebag, but, like, I think if I was in Vegas and I was already gambling and fucked up and having a good time.

And some dude was like, hey, I got these baby tigers in my room if you want to come fuck with these baby tigers. I mean, I would be very tempted to go fuck with some baby tigers. I'm definitely, I'm going. Yeah, right. Yeah, of course. You're saying, like, let me see a picture of this baby tiger first. Right.

Now what room you in? Right. I'm going. Yeah. So not to, not to mention the two straight dudes who started, they, you know, married a gay man and sucked all them dicks for tigers and meth. Meth too, but also tigers. Right, they could have sucked any dick for meth.

Yeah, that's true. Look, let's be honest, let's be honest. The right dog will get you some bruce. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's true. Tiger? A fucking tiger, man, a tiger. But the dog gets the conversation.

Look at that, look at that. What'd you say, Dad? Yeah, you're talking about pussy dating? That dog heard pussy Yeah Where's his pussy I've heard so much about? I feel like dogs, though, get the conversation started. I think tigers close the deal.

It's like this is fucked up What I'm about to say. This is super fucked up. I know that, but it's almost like that Remember that joke when we were in high school Everybody would tell about a, you won't go on a boat ride? And the whole joke was about rape.

Does anybody remember that fucking joke? Yeah. Taking girls out on your boat, and the joke was about how, like, the boat gets you in there. And then you take them out in the water, and the guy in the joke would be like, I hope you can swim or whatever. Right, right. And then at the end, a girl turns it on him. That's the end of the joke. Well, I feel like tigers close it, too, because you get them up in that room.

It's like, oh, it's cute. And then you bring the big one out. Like, maybe they're just afraid to leave because this dude owns tigers. Like, you can't turn on Doc Blakabaw. He'll kill you. I mean, I mean, I mean, it's also this like the best invite ever like you somehow I mean because that's what he was I mean they said they're at Vegas nightclubs and all this kind of shit you got a tie you got a baby

tiger in the room okay your girl likes it my girl likes it they're coming back all your friend has to see is you with a baby tiger now she's like I'll fuck for a tiger photo and that shit that rights itself yeah dude yeah I mean it's just that's what I'm saying it's like it's and look don't get me wrong the people in this thing take it way above and beyond all of that. But I'm just saying, I feel like it's easy to forget sometimes, like, just how fucking rad tigers are, I guess. I don't know.

The allure and effect that tigers have on people, you know, it's fucking real. That's what I'm saying. A girl might talk to you because you got a cute dog, but like, you're getting them alone. I mean, it's the whole story. Like Tom said, it wrote itself, top defensive. I mean, if a chick that I wasn't even interested in had a baby tiger, she could probably fuck me.

Yeah. Right. Yeah. I mean, I'm probably falling for that. Yep. Oh, yeah. But are you even falling for it? No.

That's what I'm saying. Yeah. If even seeing this documentary, I would go. I'm mad at myself after episode seven. I was like, damn, I should have gone to Joe Exotic spot. I should have gone to Big Cat Rescue. You could go to Myrtle Beach right now, Tom. You could probably get a weekend as soon as shit gets normal.

at whatever comedy club they got in there. You can go see Doc Bacobah. What's his name? Bagabon. Vagabon. Which means Lord. Lord. I probably know more quotes from this show than any of the show ever watched.

Right. Well, it has that effect on it. All right. So, Toulon, do you got any like parting thoughts for us for we sign off here? We really appreciate you doing this. But yeah, you got anything else? Man, I guess my only one is I guess I saw on Twitter trend this morning that there's a new episode coming out.

What? What? God damn it. I thought we were done with this shit. No, man. So y'all got to keep this shit going. There's one. It's trending like number one.

Like there's an extra episode of Tiger King coming your way. Well, God damn. You heard it here first, everybody. Well, you're welcome. My man, thank you. Hey, Tone, how can people like find your shit if they want to? Man, I'm just at Tone Bell on everything. Twitter, Facebook, website, everything,

Instagram, Tone Bell. T-O-N-E-B-E-L-L. right on well thank you very much brother we appreciate it tone bell everybody yeah man lady up thanks dude see you all right y'all join us next time or as corey points out very accurately just go ahead and click on the next episode because it's right there in front of your face episode seven we'll see you there excuse you later escalator well in wood Oklahoma's where we meet our tiger king he's got them monkey champs and tiger cubs the key thing You've seen he's got all his meth heads buddies, and they're all working for free,

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