wellRED podcast - To Spite My Face (choosing joy over spite and a nice convo with Danny Jolles)

Episode Date: March 24, 2021

This week Trae and Drew are all alone and discussing the dangers of letting spite rob you of joy, or whatever it is Oprah says. Point is: spite don't hit. We are also joined by comedian and actor Danny Jolles to discuss his new special "6 Parts" (available on YouTube) and what it's like to open for Aaron Carter. 

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You can find tour dates, which we have none up right now. But we were just discussing that soon. We feel like that's soon, relatively soon. Soon like all time right now is a fucked up concept. But here we are. What's up, Trey? Yeah, here we are. Yeah, when we say soon, who knows what that means.

But basically, you know, I don't know. Hopefully this summer, I hope, I guess. I guess that's a reasonable hope. If we get on the road before. the end of the year, which I think we will, that will be quicker than I expected four months ago? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I feel like for sure we'll be doing something by the fall, but I'd like to be back out there doing stuff by the summertime. It feels like things are going pretty okay, actually.

Fun how that works, you know, like when it's not a complete nightmare at the top. I'm not saying that they are the golden standard. but it's just so much better than the alternative. I was thinking about that the other day because somebody, probably one of my relatives was like, we just got the Vax, you know, Trump couldn't have done it. And I'm like, well, okay, not quite.

He like did get the Vax and was already fucking up the roll out. Literally nothing with it. Yeah, like that came out afterwards because by the time he got it, he had already been beaten and was trying to act like he wasn't beaten. And he did literally no work on the vaccine whatsoever as far as how it should work what should happen. And so the Biden administration pretty much had to start from scratch a couple months late. So, I mean, yeah, it would have been, it would have been so horrible if he was still in there. How, I think he would have wanted they had gotten that, if we'd have gotten that vaccine

like June of last year. Yeah, maybe. I mean, I know he was wanting that. Yeah, I don't know. I think, yeah, the pandemic is definitely a huge factor in him ultimately losing. So, hey, you know, silver linens. Exactly. Well, I was going to tell you, so all week I've been eating avocado test. You ever had avocado toast? I have because I do the, you know, we do the hello fresh thing. I've done it for a long time.

They also have, they're not a sponsor of this week's episode, but still, I'm a big fan. They do little, you can do like little small lunch things too as optional choices if you want. And one of those is a form of avocado toast that I have got before. eating and yes, I like it. The hip for you, right? Did it for me. Yeah. So we were driving back across country relatively recently and we were at this spot and it was like I wasn't hungry enough to eat like a breakfast burrito, but I wanted to eat because we're

about to go do something. Long story short, avocado toast was the only thing on the very small like coffee shop menu that Andy and I both kind of wanted. So we split it. And I was like, I wasn't even conscious of this. I never ate avocado toast, even though I like toast and low avocados, because of the jokes about it. Yeah. And the spite for the people who consume it.

Right. So I just missed out. And then I had it, and it was incredible. And to be fair, I've had it other places since, and that one was the best. Whatever they did, whatever their recipe was, was the best. But I was so mad at myself for missing out on something just out of spite. yeah and i've done that i think too many times in my life i've had uh that definitely was used to be a major thing with me as far as like not doing the things that you weren't supposed to do because

i wasn't one of the people who do those things right i think you know what i think kind of changed that for me we actually i don't know if you remember because it's been a long long time ago now and that Well, then you then had a whole bit about it. But before any of that, we had a drunken conversation one night at a bar about, I really think that the whole hipster thing is what sort of turned that around for me. And what I mean is, remember we were talking one night because I was so pissed off about it early on in the hipsterdom or whatever. I was like, dude, I feel like I can't even wear this shirt that I want to wear

or grow a mustache or whatever because of these motherfuckers, you know? like because people will think I'm mad and I'm not that. And, and then you were like, well, you know, they're just stealing that all from us anyway. Like, we started it like, fuck them or whatever. And I was like, yeah, you're right. But also I just got to a point where I was like,

fuck it. I'm not going to stop because that was a situation where it's like, it became a thing in the middle of me already doing that stuff. If that makes sense. You know what I mean? Like I had my dad's vinyl records. I was a facial hair aficionado. Yeah, you were a hipster before it was cool.

I was a hipster before it was cool. Yeah, well, most like, you know, like your whole bit about like country folks or rednecks or whatever had a lot of what people would consider to be hipster tendencies now because hipsters took those and hipster fight them. But I'm saying that came in in the middle. Like I already was that way. And then this thing that I didn't want to be associated with started doing all this stuff that I already liked to do.

And so I had to sort of be like. like, well, fucking, I'm not going to stop. But I think that kind of changed the way I looked at the thing we're talking about, where it's like I'm not going to do that out of spite. I got. Well, it's a very immature thought. And I also let go of it, I thought. Like, I was consciously not doing things.

Perfect example, leather armbands. I really liked those. I wanted the watch. You get like a watch, like Fossil made a watch that was on a leather arm band. My buddy Craig has one. And Craig, like, dresses like a frat boy otherwise, but has this big rock star from the late 90s, early 2000s. I liked them, but then it was just like wouldn't get one.

But that was conscious. So I let, I consciously let go all that myself. That's just getting older. That's growing up subconsciously. Like, I didn't even know. Like, I never thought consciously, I'm not eating avocado to us because fuck that. It just, I just thought it wasn't for me. And it is.

I've thought of two examples and somewhat recent personal history for me, both of which I've absolutely talked about before, but still they are good examples, I think. The first one was like, when I first started dating Katie and she bought me some Lulu Lemon shit, right, for the first time,

I was like, I ain't wearing that shit, you know, like, why not? I was like, because that ain't, I don't do that.

You know, I'm not, I'm not Lulu. or limba. Yeah, I'm not the fucking yoga pants guy. I don't want to be yoga pantsy. I'm not wearing yoga paint, whatever. And it was a jacket, actually,

is my gateway jacket, my gateway limine, I guess. She was like, they'll just try it out. And I did because, you know, she was super hot and we had just started dating, so I was doing whatever she was. Oh, this was years ago.

Yeah, no, dude. She's been, I don't know when they got founded, but she was into it before I got together, with her. And then a little lemon hamster. Pretty quickly when after we did, she bought me this jacket or whatever. And so yeah, this is like 10 years ago. But I started wearing it and, uh, you know, I was like, man, this jacket fucking rules. Like, quickly became my favorite jacket. And then she, as I've said many times before, I'm well aware of like what Lulu lemon is, you know,

the whitest white woman shit on planet earth. And I know that. But like, they just make really good shit, you know. So I mean, I wear my Lulu Lemon stuff all the time. I have an extensive selection of Lulu Lemon items at this point in my life, all of which Katie has purchased for me still to this day, but she knows now that I like it. And so she'll go to like Lulu Lemon and be like, hey, you're going to pick you up something?

And I'm like, hell yeah, won't you pick me up something? The other much more recent one that I don't, know it might be kind of a stretch but so i'm a big tv fan and a movie fan and stuff and i like to think i have good taste in tv and movies and so i've always been very anti any kind of reality shows of any kind like unscripted shows it not just not not just like jersey shore and those type of reality shows i mean yes those two but also like i never liked american idol and the voice and all that shit like the competition shows because I was always like I don't I was like how many those people have ever amounted to fucking anything like they're a scam three maybe yeah there's

there are a handful but think of how many seasons of those shows that have been and most of them never amount to shit so I'm like those shows are just a fucking scam man they're not make anybody's dreams come true or whatever and also I'm just eye into that so anything like that right I feel like TV got taken over scripted shows, you know, were harder to get made because everybody was just putting out reality crap or competition show crap, right? So I was firmly opposed to anything like that, anything in that vein. But in the past few years, I've been listening to a lot of TV writers podcast and when the subject of, what do you watch on TV comes up? One of the most common answers, which people would be like, they would always couch it as like, well, you know,

when I need to just like sort of sit back and unwind or whatever one thing I put on and it came up over and over again was the Great British Baking Show, right? Yeah, that's your show. And I was, and they would usually say something like, look, you know, it's not typically my thing, those types of shows or anything, but there's just something about it. And it kept coming up over and over again. And when the pandemic first started, it was on Netflix. And I was like, I'm going to see what all the hype's about.

and a year later, I have watched the entire series twice all the way through. I have started baking myself. I made three batches of macarons in the past like two weeks or whatever because that's where I'm at. It is macaron. Yes. You've been watching that show. You knew. Yes.

Macaroons are these like coconut cookie type things. Macarons are the little French sandwich cookies. And like I've just gotten obsessed. with just the show and baking in general. You got any more of them? No, not right now, but I'm going to make some more because I can't get them right. And that's probably what I was about to say is like, I actually went through a similar thing as this with golf way earlier in my life,

because I grew up white trash and all this shit. And I always thought golf was like, oh, that's a rich man's game. And like, and it ain't a sport, God damn it. I was always, because I was a big sports fan. Wasn't much an athlete, but I always loved. I love sports and I was always like golf ain't golf ain't a sport. Like that's a game. It's a hobby, but that's not a sport.

Rich people say it's a sport so they can say, oh, I play sports when really they just play golf. That's what I always thought. That was my opinion until I started playing golf in college. And I was like, oh my God, this is insanely difficult. Like there is so much technique to this and there's so many different things that could go wrong. And if any one of them goes wrong, you're fucked.

Right. And I gained a whole new level of respect for it. And I was like, no, this is a sport because of how insanely difficult and specific it is. And baking is not a sport. But I went through the same, I went through the same process with that because it's starting to bake shit for the first time. I gained a whole new respect for it because I just said those macarons. It's insane. How many different, the fucking French are wild, dude. Most of the most difficult shit comes from the French. And macarons, if you just look at a recipe, it seems. simple, but there's all these different, like, techniques and steps. And if any one of them ain't exactly right, they just don't turn out right at all. Do you know which one you fucked up when you fuck up? I think the first batch I fucked everything up. And then I think in the second batch, just like your first kid, not yours personally, but the myth of that. I think in the second batch, I fucked up mostly the oven temperature and the amount of time.

Yeah, I was going to ask about that. Like, your oven is just the one that came with your house, right? Mm-hmm. I don't remember. Is it a good oven? I thought it was a good oven. So I've also been making pizzas out of my own dough and stuff because, you know, I'm deep in this shit. Yeah, and even making sourdough in pieces.

For pizzas, my oven is great because I have found out, I believe, that my oven actually runs hot. Right. Which is the problem with macarons. Like, I don't know exactly how hot it is, but it's clearly much hotter than it actually purports itself to be, which fucks up delicate things like macarons. But for pizza, you want it hot as fuck. And I've been making some baller-ass. pizzas. But the, and now, what I'm on now, the variable I've changed now, I have, Drew, I have a small Tupperware container in my refrigerator right now containing three egg whites

that I'm allowing to age for at least a week before I attempt another patch macaroons because that is apparently a huge factor. Like, you can't just use any egg whites. You've got to age the egg whites. Now, before anyone listening thinks that Mr. Macaron Liberal Redneck is completely sold out. Tell them what you did with the yokes. What? That, what that? I was so proud of myself for that. So yes, I had the yokes when I separated these egg whites and I didn't want to just waste them. And I also, I also had some homemade bagels that I had baked a few days before again. I'm deep in this shit. All because of that goddamn show. But I had some homemade bagels I had baked. And for lunch, I was like,

I made a bagel like a bacon and cheese, a bacon, egg and cheese bagel. But I was like, I don't want to make a whole other egg because I don't want to do that and throw away three egg yolks because I don't like to waste shit. So it's like, I got these three egg yolks, but just the yokes. How do I make that hit with a bagel without the white involved? So what I did was I gently simmered some water in a small pot and I very gently dumped those egg yolks into it like you're poaching eggs, but it's just the yolks. There's no white. So I did that for like 90 seconds. And then scooped them out with a slotted spoon and put them in a little ramekin and like start it all up and so basically I just had like egg yoke dip it was cooked runny egg yoke only with none of the

rest of the egg protein that part which is the hit and it's part of the egg in my opinion and I took the bacon and cheese bagel and I dumped it in the in the in the yoke dip what else you're doing it was fucking flames it hit so hard and yes I was so proud I was okay I was like look look what I've done. I've innovated. I'm living in, I'm living in 30, 20 in here. What else? What else did you dip in your egg yolk? Oh, I had some Cheetos with it. Yeah. It's a sandwich, you know. Thompson, Thompson just exhaled. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, thank God. Yeah. It's like, but you know, it's definitely in the tradition of where we grew up and all that and generations prior. It's definitely a woman's thing.

And they weren't making macarones and stuff. But you know, like cooking and bacon and all that. Oh, yeah. That's a huge part of our culture. It's just, yes, stereotypically, it's been the mammals and the mamas and stuff who have done it. So my papal probably still would not be necessarily super proud of me going down this road. But I, you know, it's not. of the reasons barbecue is so hard to do like outside the south unless it's a trend like

you got to have deep knowledge is because from the build of the pit or if you're doing on the ground or the smoker or whatever it is however you're doing it all the way to to the end it's such a long detailed process and once once you can get used to it it's actually pretty easy but if you're starting from scratch it's hard to do so yeah we got we absolutely have all those traditions going back a little bit to the spite thing or whatever, which you're basically saying, yeah, I think I missed out on certain reality television shows

because I just thought, oh, it's not for me. Well, I mean, I guess it's just changed the way that I never would have any, if you told me it's an unscripted like competition,

it's like a competition reality show. Yeah. I don't care what the subject of the competition was. I would have told you, yeah, I don't fuck with that. That ain't my thing, right?

But this show has become like, one of my favorite shows of all time. I've just been obsessed with it. And so, you know, I'm not going to be, I'm not going to be as cavalier about shows of that type in the future. I still don't really watch any other ones for the record. Yeah, I don't either.

But, yeah. When we, so we try to do a sketch, ladies and gentlemen, called 90 Day Savior that was based on 90-day fiancé. And in order to write that sketch, I was knee-deep in 90-day fiancé clips. and I'm still, I wouldn't say I'm a fan, but objectively, in my opinion, Trey, it is the greatest show in television history

because it has some of the clearest stakes from the word go. Someone's coming over here for 90 days as a tryout, and we're supposed to get married, but we haven't known each other that long, so we may not. It has built-in family drama. It often has weird racial tension, but not like the violent kind.

Like this is the family, you know, we're trying to get married and make it work kind. There's nothing more American than that, in my opinion. And it has grifters and romantics and people who are crazy and people who are good-hearted. It has all of the great American characters, too. Yeah, I watched a couple episodes back when we were doing that just because even though you were the one writing it, I felt like we all should at least be familiar with it because I had heard of it, but I didn't know what it was. So I watched a couple episodes too.

And I pretty much, I agree with you. The way I felt about that was like, Like, even while watching it, I was like, okay, this ain't my thing and it ain't going to be my thing. Right. But I can tell and I can appreciate that objectively in the world of what this thing is, it is exceedingly well done. You know, and like I can see why people fuck with this, even though I don't. Other than not having the same characters every week, which is kind of the hook for a lot of those trash reality shows, if it weren't for that, which they couldn't get around. it obviously.

I think it would have been the most successful show in the history of the world. And it was probably in the top 20 or so as it is. Yeah, but still huge. I mean, I know it was like it came out and was one of those like cultural phenomenon type shows. I don't know. I don't know.

I do want to tell people tweet at us or whatever and let us know things you've missed out on because of spite. And it can be like knowingly, like I said with, you know, I didn't want to wear leather armbands because of who wore them. You know, I didn't want to look like the Creed fan or whatever.

Or it can be unknowingly. Like with avocado, I didn't even realize I was denying myself. Like, if you'd have asked me, why don't you try that? I would have tried it. I just had never thought of it, you know? Yeah, there are some kind of stereotypical answers to this question, too, that a lot of people have, two of which that I can think of, I agree with, and I like both the things. But it's like, it gets brought up a lot like the band tool versus tool fans.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Like not and I'm I like tool. I dig tool and always have. I don't really want to be tool fans. Another one is the cartoon Rick and Morty. Their fan base has a very negative reputation. And if you fuck with the internet a lot, you can see why.

Or like the Joker, the Joker is that way. I love the Joker. I love Rick and Morty. I think they're both great. But I don't go around talking about either one of them. much because I don't, I still don't want to be, I don't want to be lumped in with like those particular groups of people, you know, even though the thing itself, I think is really good.

But you're not denying yourself any happiness there because you're enjoying the product and avoiding the thing you hate. That's the healthy way to do it. Like, you know what I mean? When it's an aesthetic thing, like Lulu Lemon or the arm band, it's like, well, there's only, I can only enjoy it by becoming the thing. You're right. come and that's immature like i genuinely haven't been that way i don't think consciously about

anything in a while avocado toast it just sounded like something i didn't want but i don't know why i can't explain it it was just like people posting about having avocado toast made me annoyed so i didn't eat it yes that's dumb yeah well uh another related to what we've been talking about there's also like an internet stereotype of of regarding people who Instagram, their lunches and stuff. I feel like particularly people that don't even make it. They're just at some like fancy brunch spot, you know, and they take it and they Instagram. And that's like a whole thing.

That's like a subculture of the internet. And I've never wanted to be those people. But like since I've started the baking, when something turns out really good, I'm like, no, I got to. I'm posting that somebody got to know. I've got to share this with somebody. But at first, when I first started doing that type of thing, I mean, you know, you remember, I would text y'all pictures of it to sort of like scratch and I wouldn't post it. And the reason I wouldn't post it is because I don't do that.

You know, you're like, I'm not one of those people. Right. You're in constant need of validation, but just it hits. Yes, right. You're not like them. You're not going to post a bill of somebody else made. But I had to get it from somewhere. So I would text it to my buddies and be like, look, tell me how hard this hits, y'all.

But eventually that wasn't enough, Drew. I had to start putting it out into the world. I do think there's a huge difference when you make something versus when you, you know, you just take a picture of something at a restaurant that's really fancy looking or whatever. Those are two completely different things in my opinion, because I love watching like recipe gifts and stuff or like gifts on the internet of people that are extremely skilled making something,

like out of food. You know, I mean, that shit's artwork as far as I'm concerned. and so, you know, that or not be shared. Well, I think also if you have fans, or I guess you're trying to build them, because the whole thing with that was always, well, who cares? Yeah.

Why don't give a shit about what you ate for lunch? Well, like, you know, objectively speaking, when you post something that seems a lot of people care. You know what I mean? Not as much as if you make a joke about Mitch McConnell, but the point being, you know, it's kind of undeniable that people care. So, fuck off.

Open mic comic. I think that's another thing. I think you and I and probably every comedian, you get warped by the open mic scene you come up in. When you hear the same 15, this sucks jokes, you just get it in your head that everybody thinks something sucks. I think comics,

I think, are definitely worse or more inclined towards this particular thing that we are discussing right now. Because, like, we've kind of talked about this for it, and I don't know if I'm about to make any sense or not. I'm going to ramble. Well, good.

but like, uh, it's kind of counterintuitive because where I think that comes from is that like, when people post pictures of the cookies they just made or whatever the thing or the healthy food that they're eating now because they're making a lifestyle change, those types of things, which comics shit all over. I think when people post by stuff like that,

I think the thing that it hits inside of a comedian is like the sincerity of, it. Oh, sure. Yeah, it's like taking it, it's like, oh, they're taking themselves too seriously or they're taking this thing way too seriously. Like, you know, and we don't, we don't do that. But, but like, that whole culture of part, that part of being a comedian, we are taking that extremely seriously. Yes. When we have these reactions to those things. Do you know what I mean? It's like, I'll tell another example. I don't know if I've talked about publicly before, but I told you about, like, I take acting classes now for a long time. I wouldn't.

I feel so stupid about that in retrospect now. Like, looking back on now, I'm like, who the fuck did I think I was, right? At the time, but at the time, I was like, I thought it was all bullshit. Because if you know anything about actors or like jokes about actors, even if you watch the show Barry, right, if that's your only exposure to it. You know, acting classes is, they seem fucking silly. the way that they are approached. And a lot of them are.

Yeah, right, exactly. And I was always like, they take them, actors and acting coaches take themselves way too seriously. And I just can't fuck with that, right? But like, I realize now that that's me taking myself very seriously

by being like, oh, I'm too good for this silly bullshit these people are doing, even though it's been proven. to work by people who objectively hit very hard as actors who I love and admire who do this shit. I still look at it. I'm like, well, yeah, but you don't need to do all that, though.

Right. Like, and like, where do I get off thinking that? But, like, I really did for a long time. I was really insecure when I started comedy because I was self-aware enough to know that I took myself very seriously. And I started to recognize pretty quickly that we weren't supposed to do that. And it kind of like bothered me about myself. And then time passes and I'm like, oh, wait, they all do.

And it was the meta thing you were talking about where it was like, they very seriously want you to think they don't take themselves seriously. Which is the biggest much of horse shit. Yeah, it's kind of that it's sort of that hipster dynamic that always gets made fun of. You know, where it's like they, you know, the whole spend $90 to look like a poor person type of thing. Try very, very hard to make it seem as though you don't try at all. Care very deeply about not caring about stuff.

Right. That, yeah, that's what comics fundamentally do in a lot of ways. You know what I'm realizing too? That's- Very, very seriously the idea that no one should take things seriously. Right. I think, too, there's probably people listening who are like, well, I wasn't a comic, but that was my 20s as well.

Some of that just is being trying to think you're cool or whatever in your 20s, you know what I mean? Yeah, definitely. But it is silly. Don't miss out on any joy because, especially not out of spite. I'm going to go buy a fucking armband watch. I'm not.

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No, I do not. I just want to say, I don't find it hilarious at all. I've said this a million times because it remains being true. One of the things I did not at all expect when I moved from East Tennessee to Southern California was the colossal drop-off in the quality of internet service between the two places. I think people don't take it. I lived outside of Knoxville. I lived in Oak Ridge, Tennessee.

It's actually like, it's a small town. It's a high-tech small town. but still, I lived in Cookville, too, and I've, like, I was taking my internet for granted until I moved out here. In Burbank, and in L. I'm in a nice, you know, suburban part of L.A. I'm in Burbank. I'm in the Valley. I cannot believe how much the internet sucks up. I hope the Burbank Internet company never sponsors us,

so we have to just go here and a lie for money. Well, the Burbank Internet company is Ma Bell, AT&T, and I don't think we're in any danger of them sponsoring us, and they can kiss my ass. So, anyway. AT&T, you heard it here first. Go ahead. We don't want to lie in our ads.

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We have an interview coming up with Dan Jalas. Danny Jollis is a very funny comedian that I've worked with here in L.A. Great guy. He has a special that he put it on YouTube. We talk about why he put it on YouTube. how scary that is, what that's like. It is from the folks that don't tell comedy. It's called six parts.

He shot it in six different places. It's pre-pandemic. He wanted me to mention that. We do talk about it on there, but he wanted folks to, you know, hey, go watch it, but then don't cancel me for having, it's all pre-pendemic shot.

It's a good conversation. We talk about comedy and life. He tells a hilarious story about opening for Aaron Carter. Yes, that, Aaron Carter. See, it's already hilarious. And it's a good time. Thanks for everybody listening. Skee.

Well, all right. What's up, Danny? Say your full name. I don't want to fuck it up. I think, did Stephen Colbert fuck it up? No, he said it correctly. But the booker, Jessica Pilot, who is lovely, thought he fucked it up. And actually, like, text me being like, I'm so sorry he messed your name up.

And I was like, quite the contrary. He said it correctly. You've been saying it wrong. I thought he fucked it up because people have been fucking it up on the few shows we nobody knows. Oh yeah, nobody knows how to say my name correctly. And I'm so lack of days ago about it because I don't really care. But it's jawless like I don't have a jaw.

So I looked up, Colbert. I just, I looked up a video to see how to pronounce your name. He said it and I was like, that's not right. That's not fucking right. Because I've been on, I think I've only done two shows with you. Anyway, Ben Jalas, the name, but not true. I'll see you a jaw. Thank you.

I'm so happy to be here. We'll probably do this in the intro, but Corey's working today, and Tray's Internet has just gone down. Very disappointing. Very disappointing not to get the full group, but with that said, I feel like we're going to make up for it. Yeah, especially because are you staying at an Airbnb that's Eat, Pray, Love theme, or do you just have a perfect house? You know, I have a fiancé, and she is particular. and and I don't care. And so she has been able to really make this place beautiful.

She's going to be absolutely thrilled. You just said that. It's great. It's why I put the camera out. I'm like, I like the depth and I'm like, you know what? I'm not afraid to show it.

Yeah. Got a decent place. We're moving in like a couple weeks. So it's all going to disappear. But we got a decent setup over here. Where are you moving to? You got, look at those guitars, though.

You got a great setup too. Oh, my wife made me go to the corner. She's like, listen, put it all right there. Seriously, we've had numerous people comment on our house, and it's not a great angle where we were. So I was in this corner, but facing that way. And we've got a bookshelf that looks normal, but for something about that angle, it looks really messy. And then she's kind of witchy. She has what she calls an altar. And from that angle, all you can see is...

She's into, like she's, she's Wicca. Is that the name of the religion? I don't think it's a religion for her. I think it's just more of a she's very into like, you know, the idea. Some of the ideas from those types of things are like, if you talk about it, it'll become reality. And, you know, she's into that. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.

I'm slow, you know, it's where are you, where are you from? East Tennessee, the Bible. East Tennessee. So I'm from Virginia. Yeah. And so, yeah, I grew up like obviously with like a very like, what happens, happens. It's like the positive energy thing is not a premise. And I have slowly become converted as I've been in LA of like, you know what?

Putting that positive energy towards the thing. Like it does sometimes help. I get it. I'm getting suckered in, man. I go back and forth because there's times where I'm like, yeah, it's real. And it improves your life. Like when I try to be positive, I just feel better. So I'm like, all right, it works.

And even it doesn't work. It's fine. And then other times I'm like, successful people have good lives. And then they'll be like, yeah, you just got to be. positive. I'm like, yeah, now you're on a TV show, Danny? You're just being positive? And let me tell you, particularly when it's like somebody who's like the son of somebody famous or like their dad is a producer and they're like, you know, I just showed up and I was like, I'm going to bring good attitude. And I said, I'm going to be positive. And it's like, and your dad's a producer. Wouldn't, isn't that a factor? You don't think that might have helped you? They don't want to acknowledge or maybe they don't see. But it's like we all know. Your last name is your last name is your last name.

is, I'm not going to say who specifically, but it's like, your last name is Tarantino. It's like, we know that you're dead. Let's do a famous one. And now I've forgotten his name. I guess he's not that famous. Picoli, uh, milk. Oh, Sean Penn? Sean Penn's dad's a producer.

But Sean Penn is obviously a great actor. But my name with that is being a great actor set you apart from the other producers kids. It didn't, but being a producer's kid sets you apart from the other great actors. And well, and, and listen, like, I have friends whose parents are, very successful and they've gone successful and it's like they still have to work incredibly hard. And I think like, you know, trust me, there's tons of people. I also know whose parents are very successful, who are not successful, plenty of them. But it's a factor.

And it's just to be like, yeah, just to be like, well, why aren't you trying to be in positive? It's like, why is it my dad a product? I mean, like there's other factors involved. Yeah, like Chris Delia. Like a lot of people don't know this, but his dad's like a big time producer, you know? And it's like that made him a better statutory rapist. Like people don't want to talk. We have stayed away from that entirely on this podcast.

And I just. Oh, I don't like talking. I don't like, I don't like talking about it at all. Yes, that's super powerful. Oh, yes,

that's super powerful. But it's also, I, the whole thing makes it. I get very sad when the comedy community gets negative press. Because I think, and you can, you can speak to this.

Like, 99% of the community is the nicest humans on the planet. I'll go with A. And sure. that's fair that's fair i i go up tonight i really think like so much of it is good and nice people and there is like obviously look there's the best thing about stand-of-comedy me is there's no gatekeepers you want to do stamp comedy show up to an open mic you can do it like and it's truly like whoever has the best set will get opportunities like to me it's the fairest

battleground in hollywood you think so i think you're right i don't think it's completely fair it's not completely fair but it's but it's the fairest but the downside is we have no gatekeepers so we're gonna get some lunatics in here and it's like we can't keep them out but I also love that like

it's why like I'm always like Sam comedy is it's great it's Sam Comics are the best because you have to genuinely beat others out and you have to genuinely be good well and being good is requiring more and more empathy you know what I mean like

or to go the other or it seems like now there's like an audience to go the other way you know what I mean if you just say fuck it i you know it's you can turn heel yeah yeah you can just turn heel as a as a comic these days and you can patreon out there for you yeah yeah you can just be like actually i hate and there's a group people like yes i'm like i don't love that don't love that i don't love it i'm i'm a you know i'm a sweet boy you are a sweet boy just want to tell my jokes let's talk about that for a bit um uh i was thinking of i was trying to think of a way to ask you about a story that i

wanted to ask you about and do it all smoothly and hide it. But then I was thinking about how, why it happened. When I was a young comedian, the idea of being like a Brian Reagan, I love Brian Reagan. The best. But the idea of being that, I was like,

it felt to me because I was ignorant about comedy and I was living in the South where there wasn't a lot of industry. It was like, yeah, but either you get to be Brian Regan or you end up on a cruise ship. And there's nothing wrong with doing jokes on a cruise ship. And I had some friends who did it when they were younger and they got laid. but you know what I mean

and they had to the party for free like it could be a good time but as a young comic it was like so either you're Brian Regan or you're like the guy that everybody makes fun of but as I've gotten older and have more and more friends in comedy who do work either clean or mostly clean

or they are sweet boys as you said and I'm not on stage I hope I am a little bit off but on stage I'm not much of a sweet boy you get so many more wild opportunities it's like it's like on stage you seem less wild maybe than me because I like to have these jokes about this or that.

But like the opportunities you're getting are so vast and buried. And then you end up with these crazy stories, you know? So that's me very, very openly wanting to talk about Aaron Carter. Oh, yeah, yeah. Because I'm never getting open for anyone like Aaron Carter. You know what I mean? It's just like, and to be clear, this should not have happened. This, I open Baron Carter and it should not have happened.

And this had nothing to do with me being clean and a series of terrible, terrible events that led us to a moment. This happened. Did you ever, you guys have done college? Have you done colleges? No, I have not.

I think Corey has and I know Trey has. I'm telling you, buddy. Anyway, but we can get to that in the minute. Go ahead. We're not talking about me right now. All right.

We're going to fix you. We're going to make sure that you're in the college circuit by the end of this podcast. So colleges, colleges are nightmare, just nightmare games on the whole. It's the best way to get stage time,

particularly if you're clean and just starting out, like if you can do a clean hour and literally just talk for an hour clean. You can do colleges, particularly back in the day. And I got booked at this college. And about a week before my college agent, who had never called me ever, had never seen my act anything.

She literally like, like, she had no clue what I did, which I loved. She like, and she was very open. She was like, I opened for one of her clients. The place loved him. him and then Mia Little and they were like we want to book the both of them again and that's how

and she called me and she was like do you want to sign with me that is all she knew of my act and she called me and she was like I had this date booked at Mulemberg College and she was like hey something happened they double booked the show so it's they

booked Aaron Carter and they also booked you in case some of our fans don't know who Aaron Carter is Aaron Carter is a pop star of the past who has had a nightmare present I think is fair to say he is uh

it's been rough but this was years ago so this was this was even before people fully realized how insane he'd gone yeah and I was he's Nick Carter's brother Nick Carter's brother yes He had backstreet A back street yes So he's one of those

Someone's brother or sister gets a deal but this but he actually made something well he had two big songs he had how I beat Shaq something like that and then he had Aaron's party what I knew about Aaron's party I wasn't very into that music even back when I was as appropriate what is how I beat Shaq

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Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. Jess, how does that I beat Shaq go? Do you know? Let's see. Let's see. Only like the, like, it's like, it's like rap fish. and it's like, and that's how I beat Shaq. Like, she's useless.

Okay, so, uh, I'm looking at the house. She's not. Look at that key, key chain holder. I know. She's good. It's a beautiful keychain holder. Uh,

but yes, it was something like, I can't remember how it goes. But either way. Is it about playing Shaq and basketball? Oh yeah. And there was a music video of him playing Shaq basketball. This one,

this was like, he had two big hits. These are two very big hits. Uh, and he had like one of, and I remember, yeah, because I,

research on him before the event. Oh, I was like, well, so she calls me and she's like, they dealt books you and Aaron Carter. And I was like, so they're canceling my date, I'm assuming? Like, I'm assuming I'm just out. And she's like, no, they want you both to reform and they want you to open for him. And I was like, no, I'm not doing it. That's crazy. That's insane.

That's insane. I was like, I was like, no. And she was like, it's the same pay. and I was like, I just had no money. So then I go, how much do I have to do? Because I'm like, all right, if I can do, because you know how you could do that comic thing where you're just like, there's got to be a way to survive this. There's got to be a way to do it. So I was like, how, I was like, is it 15 minutes?

Because I can probably like figure away. And she goes, no, no, no. They booked you for a headline. So they want you to do 45 minutes. And I was like, they want me to do 45 minutes before. Aaron Carter. And she's like, yeah, and I was like, I'm going to bomb. Okay. And so for a week, I called every comic I knew. And I was like, what would you do? And I, we all came up with zero ideas, except the notion that people are probably showing up ironically to this concert. So there's

a chance. That was our hope. They're there ironically. Now I'm a comic. Can't make fun of him, but I can make fun of the circumstances. Was that in? Was that just your professional sensibilities? And if it was, it was the correct one. Or were you contractually not allowed to make fun of him? Both. Does that make sense? A little bit of both.

A little bit of probably should it make fun of the person they booked. And also they probably, it was a double whammy of me being like, well, because, again, I thought they're showing up ironically. So let's, let's like. That's such a comic thing. I don't know which one of your first. friends or if you came up with it. That's such a great comedian thing.

No, dude, I'm telling you, bro. You know how sometimes you think the audience is going to suck, dude? And then it's the greatest show at it. That's what it's going to. These kids, who's showing up in this? Really? Like, come on. Yeah, exactly.

They're getting drunk. They're getting late. You know who it is? It's nerds who want to shit on Aaron Carter. Yeah, they're going to shut up. And then you show up. It'll be into it. And I was like, and so we were like, okay.

So I showed up being like, maybe I still had myself at like a 30 percent chance of getting through 45 minutes. But I was like, there's a shot. I felt like I had a shot. And I show up and I remember there was a line outside of the building. And it was all girls and they were dressed to the nines. And I was like, absolutely not ironic 100% here for Aaron Carter. They are so pumped.

And at that point, I knew I was a dead man walking and met Aaron Carter. He is exactly what you think he is. very nice to me but just like I remember literally like in my head I was like don't prejudge blah blah like in your head you hear and be like what's that man I'm Aaron Carter but I was like it's not who it is and then like literally walking backstage she's like

what's that man I'm Aaron Carter exactly who I thought you were exactly it was so ill and then I just went out I was the only time I ever did this at a gig but I just said to them hey if I have any shot I have to make fun of this a little bit and they were like, okay.

And I went out there in front of a crowd that had no clue why I was going up or what was happening, except for like a little sign outside of this. So like with Danny Jaws, a comedian opening. And certainly they had no clue I was going to do 45. That was the thing I was like. Yeah.

And it was that and that was the thing was I made it through 15 pretty great. Yeah. They were excited. I remember doing, I remember like they were into it. I was making fun of the situation, but in a positive way. We were good.

I front loaded the entire set. I just took all my best jokes out of the gates. Let's just get them on board. We'll deal with the end with repercussions later. And I front loaded and my first 15 was great. And then we dipped and we dipped further. And at 30, they ran out of patience. And the last 15 was so tense.

And then I just kept being like, because if when you do college gigs, the whole, like the only thing they tell you, like, don't offend it. Like, don't curse and don't get off the stage before your time. Right. Because they cannot pay you. Those are the two things. Just don't do those two things. Yeah. And they can pay you. That's what I love about it. Because I've had those talks before. And it's like, no, what's happening is a 20 year old is in charge of a multi-thousand dollar budget. And they think that something being a rule, like, they think that a guy's going to show up and be like, you're not allowed to do that. You know what I mean? Yes.

It's wild. And I knew so many comments would lost pay because they got offstage early, whatever. So I was like, if they, and I begged her out. Like just ask them one more time, 45 minutes. I have 15 times. I was like, they want 45. It's bad for them. Why don't they want to show?

For everyone. Nobody wants this. Nobody wants me to do this. I don't want to do it. You don't want me to do it. Just knock me down to 15. I'll do a good 15. It's a better show overall.

No getting out of it. 25. I'll do 25. 25. Work with me a little. 45 minutes. So the last 15 was rough. And I remember at,

and I remember I was probably mid joke when my clock hit 45 minutes. And I was like, and then I goodbye. And I just sprinted off that stage. Like out. Out. And then I checked my watch. And, and then it was I ran off stage.

And they were pretty. And I will say that. And again, I cannot stress enough. That crowd was as nice as that. I still thought it would have gone worse. The fact they didn't actually booed me off stage I felt was kind. Because in there, in the audience's mind, I was like, they must think I'm running the light. Yeah.

They do no way they think I'm doing it. They're an unfunny asshole. Yeah, they figure I'm an unfunny asshole. Who is who is probably like, you know what I'm going to do more time than I was supposed to. It's like, we're all here for someone. What a whole shit gig. Horrible. And yet survived it.

And then I will say. say Aaron Carter went out. Great concert. Really fun. He was so good. It was so much better than what I did. Oh, and he just, and it was exactly what they want. They all screamed the scream. You don't know a scream until you hear like an Aaron Car, like that boy band scream. There's no common equivalent to that. Nothing. Nothing. Early Dane Cook had it. Now that's like it. You think? I think it was close. I think that's the That early Dane Cook arena, but that was it, man. Did you go? Nothing like it to see Dane Cook? Yeah.

Never live as a kid. Yeah. Worked with him out here. Yeah. But never as a kid, but I was, oh, I love them. I hate, and I hate any comic that says otherwise. I don't, I don't think, like, I've thought a lot about this and we've talked about it. I don't think any comic ever has.

maybe an open micer in our past. I think that like maybe Stanhope did. It probably wasn't Stanhope. Like maybe one person, everyone respects said it. And then we all believe that everyone else thought it. Mm-hmm.

But like he was, he was Aaron Carter. He was a comedian who did young pop comedy. And it was, as a young kid at the time, I loved it. I thought he was so cool, so different.

And then, and nobody talks. about this. That laugh factory special he did about his parents is great and deep and not. And he it's great. He had some really great stuff. I refuse to talk negatively about that guy and his past work. Yeah. I agree. I won't hear it. I won't hear it from Scott. So Dan Cook has a special coming out. That's what Danny came on before. I literally just did a vulture thing for this special and we like talked about mark marron at some point in there and the headline of the article about like this interview was like was like was like was like what do those you know mark marins

boba and i was like i literally plugged another comic in my or like interview about my special the headline became mark marins it's like god damn it marins one of those it's wild man because you know he was he was the alt comics hero but in some ways he was like almost a cautionary tale of like, you know, because he talked, Marin, didn't you say Mark? Oh, Mary, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yes, yes, I did. Sorry. I thought you said, I thought you said, I thought you said, Aaron and I was like, can't be talking about Aaron Carter right now. What's he talking about? That's like, Aaron, how do we get to? That's probably his newest album. That's probably Aaron Carter's next album is caution.

I think Mark Marin is a great tale, actually. I do too. I'm saying back in the day, I think he was a cautionary tale of like his attitude. And he's talking about this. His attitude, it set him apart, but it also alienated people. I think Patrice had a little bit. of that. And Merrim was able to live long enough and turn it around. And also I think to me, Mark Marin is a great example of no matter what mistakes you make in your past that are within reason. And yeah, caveat, within reason. Um, caveat, no raping. Yeah, no, nothing, nothing that's physical, but vocal things. Um, and if you just stay good and funny, it will happen.

That's always like something I try to remind myself of. I'm not sure I believe it. I do. I think it was true for them. I think I have too many friends. And maybe they should have just kept going. You know what I mean? Maybe they should have just stuck it out.

But I think I think the last comedy boom brought so many voices, good voices, important voices. But I think we had a saturation problem. I do. I mean, I'm hoping. I mean, I'm thinking COVID's going to knock down our, our situation. Yeah, you're hoping. kills a few comics i get that man that's it well just the comics there's some people who were doing it who were who didn't like it yeah and it's just like hey man like you don't have to do this

i think they think they do those people you're talking about because they know it'll be even harder to be that miserable openly in other places it's like i see i disagree i disagree i disagree i think they'd be happier i think the problem is oh this what they think is but i don't know if it's true oh yeah they believe that yeah yes they do i can be this person. And to me, what kills me is I go, you'll be one happier. And two, I think the thing that stops people from quitting is I've put in this many years. Like, is it a waste? And I'm like, you know, people are accountants. And then they become like business, like people's change. It's not a waste. Like it's a good, like it made you a better person. It met, Mitch just tons of friends. Like,

I know tons of people who have quit and they're so happy. And they're like, yeah, I just didn't love it. And I just was doing it to do it because I had done it. I think though you're not factoring in that you're seemingly kind of healthy and these folks aren't. I mean that. Yes. No, 100%. There's a lot of, yes. Well, and the other thing, I struggle. I've struggled with this. I care very much what comedians think about me. Now, the reason why is that I love comedians. You know, this is the peer group that I wanted as a young person, especially to accept me. So I think, I think they feel nervous to quit, like almost. embarrassed. It's not even like I failed it becoming a comedian. It's like I failed to be one

of my heroes. Oh, and I've been the person who's talked to some people who are like, you know, I just had been like, hey man, I'll still be your friend. Like, and I won't, I will not look down on you one bit. If anything, I'll respect you more. Yeah. Because you did what you wanted to do and you listen

to yourself. Like, I'll tell you what I don't respect. You showing up to a show doing the same jokes been doing for three years with no real effort and you're miserable. I don't like that. That's taking up a spot for some young hungry comic. Right. Like,

yeah, that part, man, I like that so much. If you said it to me, we would stop being friends. Do you know what I mean? Especially the first part.

I have to be very careful. It's okay if you quit. And I would be like, listen, I've also talked one comic in particular who's doing very well. I specifically talked out of quitting. Yeah, I've had to do that.

And I said, I said, you are too good and you are too close. And this makes you too happy. and you're just depressed and let's work through that. But like, do not let this go. You're too good. He's doing just great.

Spite can be a motivator for a lot of people and reason. I think some people get trapped in that. I've done it. I've done it before. I got very lucky. And by lucky, I mean, some would say not lucky, where a lot of my friends got successful very early. Like my initial peer group, because I started in New York like an idiot.

And so my initial group was all people who had done comedy in another city like you're supposed to, done a couple years there, gotten good, show up to New York. Here I am literally doing my first year. So I'm bombing, but I'm friendly. So I'm friends to these people. But they start getting these crazy opportunities. And they just, everybody goes shooting by me. Wow. And but I got really good.

at being like, I'm happy for him and got good at that. I'm happy for her, good for her. She deserves this shot. It doesn't hurt. And I started getting really good at that. And then it was such a blessing because then like some of my friends now are incredibly successful. And when they got successful, I was already so good at being like happy for you.

Couldn't. I feel nothing. I don't feel the spite anymore. I definitely used to be like low grumbly. And I just had so many friends. So many friends got successful that now I don't get grumbling. I don't think I don't think I have that kind of jealous spite. I haven't yet.

Like with Trey, I've been jealous two times. He got to open for Jason Nisbel. I was openly jealous. I was like, this is unbelievable. That's the greatest songwriter of our generation. I cannot believe, you know what I mean? And I've forgotten the other one. So I guess I'm doing good.

I guess I'm healthy. I don't remember what the other world. I mean, that's good, right? And look, you're allowed to have it quite, like, to be clear, behind closed doors, there are there times where I'm like, unbelievable. Yeah, like, they deserve it. No, no, no, not that they don't deserve it. It's just like, I think I'm just as good.

Why is it then? Not me. Yeah. But I've gotten so good at doing that behind closed doors and making sure that when I leave that room alone, I am truly there for that person and a friend. Yeah, for sure. It makes a difference. I think I'm lucky the way you are.

It's been around such talented people from the word go. And it also affected me when I moved to New York because I knew what funny was. Like a lot of people come from New York and they think they're funny because they were the funniest one in their town. And meanwhile, I came up with people who are now, you know, getting TV deals, even though I was from Knoxville. So I was like, I didn't have that on my, you know, I didn't have that sheen or whatever. The only chip I had on my shoulder was I'm as funny as this person who's already in New York. what I mean, but I don't have any of that. Yeah. And also, by the way,

you're supportive of your friends and your friends get you places. It ends up being such a good career. If you so many on comics, like, if you can work through spite and be genuinely excited for your friends, I promise you, it's so good for your career. Yeah. Because, because you watch, I'm sure

you saw this with Trey. Like, because he was, he was the first to, like, blow. Absolutely. Yeah. So when Trey blew, you probably saw half his friends become jealous and spiteful. And it's tough because you see Trey being like, I guess can't be friends with that person.

And you start really appreciating the people who stick by you. And it matters. And then his opportunities come along. You're like, he looks for the people who was like, who stuck by me, didn't ask for shit, never just who stuck by me? I took off from work.

Like the first day he went viral. Maybe it was the second day. Because I think he went viral at night and the second day. Like after lunch, I was like, I just went home and watched my phone. I was just like cheering him on. But yeah, I see that. The hardest thing is when people you looked up to, you find out, are spiteful.

Without my name and names, it's like, and the longer I'm in the business more, how about get it? Like, not that it was that they should have been spiteful towards trade, but I understand what happened there. It's like they've never heard of this guy. They feel like he's doing a thing similar to them and they've been doing it longer. So, you know, I understand. And that, but see, I don't. To me, I'm like, you know, it's tough. It's, look, it's one of the worst parts about doing, one of the best parts with doing comedy is you get to meet your heroes.

Yeah. And one of the worst parts by doing comedy, you get to meet your heroes. Absolutely. And like, you and I both could name some people who we've gone to meet who lived up to everything we wanted them to be. And there are some who I'm like, just exactly who I wanted you to be. You showed up on time for your set. You respected the light. I saw you working on jokes.

You were so respectful to every comic, like, the best. Yeah. You're an artist. I've gotten to open for some people who I'm, I'm like, they treated me nicely, watched my opening set, where it's nice to me afterwards. Like, you know, it doesn't take much to be like, that was awesome. And then there's people who we met, who, who you're just like, what a dick. What a fucking dick.

Quick positive story. My buddy Jason, I met him in Vegas and he used to open for Louis, Anderson. And the best. The best. I have a Louis Anderson too. He's the best. So he surprises his old opener. He's not even supposed to be in.

Vegas flies to Vegas to surprise Jason is like hiding backstage because he doesn't want to he thinks Jason will get too nervous to do well

so he waits so Jason goes on we have these like this bachelor party in the front Jason happens to be a gay man the bachelor party's kind of rough Jason handles it like a fucking

champ starts threatening to make out with him in a way that's hilarious but like they're homophobic enough that the joke works but also they're like oh shit I'll shut the fuck up now Yeah, yeah, yeah, perfect.

Comes on stage in a good mood. There's Louis Anderson. We've been hanging out. I'm sending my wife pictures because she's a big baskets fan. We're doing Christine plays. Tell stories. Helps us with jokes. It's incredible to come off stage and Louis Anderson's like, hey, that particular

joke, it worked. And by the way, you want to know how great Louis Anderson is? I have a also Louis Anderson store. I worked on a TV show with him. And he was the best, most supportive, appreciative of, like, every single time we would hang out, he would just be like, he was so appreciative career-wise. He was so, like, he was like, you asked me anything. To this day, I text Louis Anderson.

He texts back being like, what's up? What can I help you with? It's like, just such a great dude. Well, I didn't get his numbers. So I guess he is kind of an asshole. No, I think that, I think that for me, I have to use spite. Because it can be a great motivator, but I have to use it very carefully. it can consume you. Mark Marin actually said

some once in the podcast where he said self-pity and bitterness are actually the same emotion. And I despise self-pity. So anytime I catch myself feeling bitter about anything, I'm like, wait a minute. But I didn't mean to go down, I really didn't mean to go down the bitterness track.

I was more thinking along the lines of like, I like to use, like you ever been like looked over by a Booker? And you're not mad at the person who got it, but you're like, you don't see it. And I know it's real. And then you've got to use that.

You know what I mean? It's like it's totally okay to use that. 100%. You have to. And I used to have, I used to keep a like a thing of, I used to know some comics who had stuff ahead of me. And my whole thing was it was no spite towards them,

but my thing was those comics will never outwork me. I'll always work harder than them. That's how I'm, I don't know that they're, and some of those comics who got a thing before I did, I would just be like good for them. some of them are so, so successful, but I stand by the fact of like,

I hope that they never outwork me. I'm always going to work hard. A thing I do that my dad taught me that I think is very, that I push on everybody is something called the Circle of Hate. Okay. Which is,

I'm so excited. And my friend, my friend Rachel does this is like this is spread. The Circle of Hate is this idea of you have three people who you're allowed to hate in the entire world. But that's it. personally or also in the news.

Is it three total? Like in other words, three total, three total. Okay. So in other words, if you're sitting around, people need to listen to this,

especially people listen to the well-red podcast right now. You need to internalize this. And if you need to understand that if you're physically hating Mitch McConnell as one example, all day, every day, that's fine, but that's one of your three. That's one of your three.

And that's the game. That's the thing is, is because somebody does something bad to me. And I go, I want to hate this person so bad. I want to. and I want to let myself hate them. But if I do, that means I got to look at my circle and go, who am I about to forgive?

Who am I about to let out? I love getting out your list. I want to write mine down so that I have a physical copy with me. I literally sometimes do that. And by the way, there's one person who's been in there since the dawn of the circle of hate, and I don't know if he'll ever get out. He just worked his way in and he is just so solidified in there. But it's really healthy.

And there's been a lot of people who people are like, I can't believe you're friends with that person. And I'm like, you know, Trump did something. So they got themselves out. Yep, he's out. He's out. He's might be number four, but I don't have room for it. Yeah, but number four is only room for three.

Circle I hate. I recommend it to everybody. It's a very healthy way to, because the idea of don't hate anyone is ridiculous. Of course, you're going to have people who you hate in the world. But you can just become consumed with, I hate this person, this person, this person, this person, this politician and this athlete and blah, blah, blah.

And it's like, And this friend and this kind. And it's just like three. Pick your three. But that's it. It's all you get. Circle eight. Triangle.

Right. Now your dad hates me. I know. My dad's, my dad's, how dare you. Well, all right. I think we've talked enough about your successful friends.

Let's talk about you. Let's talk about this special. First of all, let's plug it. First of all, go ahead and plug it. What's it called? Let's plug it.

Right now, you can go on YouTube. It is called six parts. It is free. And it is, it basically what I did was I recorded six, 10 minutes sets in six different venues I did with Don't Tell Comedy. Have you ever,

done a Don't Tell Show? I've never done a Don't Tell show, but that's, I like what you, I like it. We got to get you on a don't tell show. Don't tell comedy is this great model, and I adopted this where they do it in any place

but a comedy club. So there's a set in a surf shop, there's a set in an art gallery, a barber shop, or else a bunch of other weird places. It's a gym, recording studio, and then a comedy club.

So six parts. Back to back to back to back. Yep. Just a little interlude between. But there's no, it's just in the middle of a set. So there's no like, it's just like you just catch me in the middle of six sets.

Yeah. And that's so cool. I'm really proud of it. And, you know, took a, you guys know this. Like you take a risk when you put it out.

yourself because there was the ability to not do that. Okay. You said no to someone. I mean, I said no to, I said no to basically the modern model, which is like paywalls and stuff. Yeah. And that's a good way to make back your money and everybody would have been happy. And instead, I was like, I'm just going to lose a ton of money and bet on myself.

So if you're listening to this, it would mean the world. If you go on there and just give it a chance. and if you like it, share it. Dan Jalas. Danny Jalas. I'm very proud of it. Danny Jalas. Six parts.

Six parts. Yeah, it sounds like a comic book character when I say it with my accent. You, I mean, I love you. I love, I,

my area, I was in Northern Virginia so nobody had the accent really. Yeah. Which is a buck. I mean, I sound like I'm from New York. I totally thought you were just like from New Jersey.

Nobody thinks I grew up in Virginia. But I grew up in, I was, I'm technically a Southern boy, but it's a... Well, that comes through, the sweetness. There is a part of you, this is part of what works for you is your look and your sound. It's like, okay, this New Jersey guy somehow ended up really sweet. That's rare.

You know, you know what's so funny? So one of the, I remember, you ever do feedback mics? Did they have that when you were starting? Yeah. So we had feedback. I remember when I was like, because, you know, I part-time did for like a couple years before I really came. Wait, did you do the one at a danger? So this, this was, I did one in, it was, this was that like, I think it was like literally like the seller.

So I mean, it was like, I was doing, you know, when you first starting, you're doing like, I'm like, oh, do what mics at the clubs before you realize that's a massive error. You know, but you know when you're stupid and young. And it was a feedback mic. And this was when I was just starting and like, but somebody gave me this piece of this. It's probably like first year. somebody was like so i was this like very very young and somebody goes hey just so you know i wanted to like you he's like i don't feel that way about most comics i wanted to like you you should know that i remember being like weird thing to say years later it really sort of changed my comedy when i was like

because you know you start and you're like i'm trying to be dain cook i'm trying to be then i was trying to be then i was trying to be like whoever i was most into at the time i basically was copying their style Yep. And in a certain point, a big revelation to me was like, I'm likable and I have to be that. I just have to be, I have to lean into I'm likable.

And that person told you that they probably had done a lot of the work you did in terms of the spite. They probably were a little jealous, but had done the work and they were like, but instead of being, because they knew it was a tool. They knew that was a fucking weapon.

That's a great thing to have as a comedian. And they were like, God damn. I wish I was just fucking likable as this guy. But he needs to know that. He deserves you know. I even remember the way he said it. I remember him being like, I don't know what this means, but I'm just telling you, man, I hate everybody.

And I wanted to like you. Was it Bryson Turner? I can't remember who it was for the life of me. The way you said that I was in. Bryson has always given me good advice. I just remember it was such like, it was so weird the way he said it. I remember being like, all right, but like, you know, years later you're like, what a changing, what a like comedy altering piece of advice. Yeah.

It's wild. Early you're so impressionable. So it's like those little things people say where you're like, I remember early on somebody was like, I brought notes up to an open mic. And some comic was just like, and I mean, some comic, potentially a homeless person in the room. Who knows? Like who knows who I was taking advice from. It was just like, don't bring notes up. He was like, learn how to memorize your set.

And I never brought a note up on set. I've never, I never bring my set list up. And I like, I just like committed to memory. And now I have this ridiculous comedy memory. because of that early note. That's great. I have, yeah. I got one more,

I think one more thing I want to get into. The timing of this is excellent, in my opinion. Was that luck? Did you hold off on it? We held. Okay. We held. Talk a little about that.

Yeah, we were going to go probably ready. It's been ready for a little while. Yeah, we did a pre-pandemic special. Right. Films pre-pandemic. Yeah. So, you know, about halfway through the pandemic, like June.

maybe, we were like locked. Yeah. We're happy. Black Lives Matter happens. I'm like, this isn't the time. Yeah. Not the time. Then I'd say August, we really were like we could do it.

And I just, I just said, I don't, I got a feeling this election is going to get really bad. I don't want to be anywhere near this thing. And so then we were going to drop it December. That was like the date. It was like, I will get through the election. And then the day after the election, Trump's like, they lied. And I was like, it's a nightmare. It's going to have to be after inauguration.

This guy's going to be a problem. I was like, this guy's going to just tell a lie. And he's not, if there's one thing I've learned about Trump, it's that when he says a thing, it doesn't matter what happens next. He will repeat it to the end of time. Yes. He will just, you talk about speaking into existence. Yeah.

Give Trump credit there. He really will speak some shit. shit into fucking existence. Well, the witches on the internet will tell you that he is, in fact, a warlock. Like, he's a magical person, just an evil. Yeah, I mean, it's true. Well, part of it was, you know, once he won presidents, it was like he would say things that weren't true, but it's like, well, the president just said it.

So now it's kind of true. You know, he had that power where it was like, you know, if he's like, don't wear a mask, it's like, well, that doesn't make any sense. But now the president just said it. So people, I mean, that is now going to be a thing. Like the second is, it's like when the referee calls a foul. They could be wrong, but the definition is foul is that the ref calls it a foul. Yeah, it's like, I guess now it's kind of a foul.

Like, so he really had that power. And I remember just being like, I don't want to be anywhere near this thing. And so we pushed. And I also will say, don't tell comedy. I can't like push enough. And I also can't say enough good things about 800 pound gorilla. Yeah. Uh, quite this with.

And they were, they've been so agreeable. They let me put this out on YouTube. A lot of places I talked to were like, no. no way like you want to put it on YouTube do it yourself like what's in it for us and they were they were so agreeable they really listened it was great that's wonderful so yeah everybody but yes we we timed this it was not an accident we timed it accordingly i was like i don't want to wondering what danny's talking about in terms of comedy is you make these jokes back then and then the world continues on and i think what you're getting at is not just the domination of the media you don't

have a joke about what's going on in the world so it's like weird to put it out out it makes you look like an asshole yeah no i i got very i'm very lucky where i'm never i'm not a i'm somebody who likes to see something and be like i want to get to the deeper issue so it's never about the piece of news right thank god thank god because or else the special so also i had that i knew the special covid i mean look at the end of the day like it's a pre-pandemic special so you watch i think it's great but you watch the special and you're like people in a room together Um, you know. Yeah.

But yeah, I've seen some of the don't tell stuff and there's even a part of me, even though I know how the world works or like just on Instagram, just somebody shares a clip and I'm like, damn, I'm mad I'm not getting booked, but I don't want to do these shows. And then I'm like, oh yeah,

you can just keep a tape for a while, Drew, you fucking idiot. They've probably filmed this a while ago. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

I, we almost added a thing up top of the special being like, this was pre-pandemic. And I was like, if anyone genuinely thinks. Like, who could possibly think? Put it in the comments. And then in six months, you can change it.

You know, you can get rid of that. Yeah, that's what we might too. But I'm like, people must know. What am I trying to murder people? Like, clearly, I wasn't doing indoors. I haven't done an indoor show through the whole pandemic. I've done one or two, one in October. When I was naive enough to think things were on the down swing.

And then, and also probably it would be fair to say selfish enough. Like the selfishness in me We all got to a desperate place. We all got to a desperate place. This is a judgment-free place over here. I didn't do one. Not here to say that if my fiance hadn't almost punched me in the face, I would enough.

And also, to be clear, like, I did do outdoor shows throughout the entire thing. But I also stood by them and I stand by them to this day. Right. Yeah, I think we're close. I'm planning on myself. I'm almost waxed up. obviously you got to have fans and you don't want to put fans in danger, you know, either. Right.

But I'm like mentally almost there. And I don't mean I'm going to start next week, folks listening. But like, I think it might be quicker for me than I expected. But I don't know. I don't know. I have to see how. I'm feeling, I'm feeling pretty good. I mean, numbers are just so down, you know, that it feels because that was.

That's such a mind trip too because it's like half a million people died. So now we're like, oh, only 500 died this weekend. It's like, yeah, but fuck, 500 people died. I know. No, listen, I hear you. and it's I just yeah look I hear you I haven't done them yet I haven't done them yet but I'm I'm thinking you know it's it's it's almost time it's exciting I mean it's yeah have you have you've done outdoor shows through it I mean like it just feels outdoor and I did a lot of Zoom I hated it at first and I got

oh I got so into it I'm so into it the timing part sucks because I've noticed from doing it I did a show in Nashville last week and the timing part is fucked this it was like at an outdoor like brewery type thing. The timing is off. Fucks you up. Yep. But the jokes. The jokes are good. As soon as I fix the timing, these Zoom jokes are going to fucking work, motherfucker. Dude, I'll tell you what I did. My, like, I'd say like second show back. I literally was mid-set. And I remember just being like, you're just staring at a wall. Because I was, because I was so used to look at the camera and had stopped looking. And I also

was like, there's people. Look at it. I like, also was like, and hello, I could look at you guys in the eye. I like. I was just like, you look off in space when you do stand-up. That's how you do stand-up now. Well, plug your social media following and plug to YouTube. So my full plug is, please watch the special. Please, add Danny Jollis on all socials, J-O-L-L-E-S. And then my final plug, and I do this on every podcast,

but you can bet, but you'll probably something to say about this. But to everybody listening, stand-up comedy is like hockey. It is wonderful to watch on TV. but it is just a different experience live. Live stand-up comedy is the greatest art from on the planet. It's one of the reasons I think my special, one of the things I love is you can do it in art gallery. You can do it anywhere,

and it works, and it can be amazing. If you haven't seen live stand-up comedy, or if you have, but you haven't gone in a while, don't worry about seeing me. Just look up your local comedy club and go, or look up your local outdoor venue

and go see live-stand-up comedy. You'll have the best night of your life. get into live stand-up comedy. Absolutely. Do it. And we say that a lot too because sometimes we notice people that want to listen to the podcast,

but they're like, comedy's not my thing. And we're like, just try. Just give it a shot. Just give it a shot. Live stand-up comedy is just a different beast. Give it a shot.

And we'll be back soon. So get faxed. The world's going to get faxed. And we're going to be back soon. And I'm going to give stand-up comedy a shot. It's going to be hot girl or whatever the kids are saying. I'm going to be so hot girl. Oh, buddy.

I can't wait to be a hot girl. I'm going to be a hot mess. I think it's a drunk accidentally. All right, buddy. Thank you. All right. This was wonderful. Thank you all for listening to The Well Red Show.

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