wellRED podcast - WellRED Podcast: The Great MAGA Fracture (Also Yo is the Apocalypse Coming?)

Episode Date: July 16, 2025

This week Trae and Drew sally forth sans Cho (who shall return) into a lively conversation concerning, what else, the great MAGA Epstein Debacle of 2025. How upset are they? How many? For how long? And to what end? Also we can't help but divert into a cute little segment on how this is clearly the end of f**king world. Enjoy.   Traecrowder.com for tickets DrewMorganComedy.com for tickets CoreyRyanForrester.com for tickets WeLoveCorey.com for bonus stuff   Make your summer enjoyable and delicious by signing up for HelloFresh at HELLOFRESH.COM/wellred10fm and get TEN FREE MEALS with a FREE ITEM FOR LIFE.   Start your free online visit today at Hims.com/WELLRED. ● Find ED treatment that’s up to 95% less than brand names at H-I-M-S dot com slash WELLRED. ● Hims dot com slash WELLRED.

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It sounds right. 17th is definitely a Thursday. Yep. How do you know that? What's July 17th? It's special to you. This is sad. My father-in-law was going to Vanderbilt that day for a follow-up.

It actually might be good news. It's been good news the last couple. But we're going to the lake on Wednesday because you can't do Thursday and I have a show the 18th on Friday. It's just like calendar stuff that's been in my head. It's not that sad, actually. Well, best of luck. to him with that show i don't know how much we're allowed to say but chose uh saving democracy through

comedy in new york city right now as he's done before if people have you know been around for a while he does this from time to time he got he somehow got on a a panel of uh democracy saving comedians which frankly i'm a little offended you know never came calling over here but he got on that years ago and they reconvene they reconvene the council the heroic council every uh six months or so, I think. Yeah. And that's where he's at right now. It feels like every time the GOP tries to change the narrative,

you know, like we moved from trans to immigrants, they called Cho in. It's like maybe Cho did that. Maybe Cho like fix the immigrant, or the trans situation in the media. And they're like, all right,

we got to fucking vilify someone else. Immigrants are up. Now they've got him back in there doing that. I'm sure he'll come up with something. So there's two things in particular. I wanted to ask you about the start with the weirder one first, I guess. I already texted y'all this this morning, so you're, you know, you've heard it already. But for the audience this, you know, people on different parts of the right and far right and fringe and stuff and just, you know, hateful types and whatever, kind of never cease to amaze me sometimes because I, you can still be surprised by them.

Because I saw a take this morning that I had. not seen before and I didn't know how common or not it was amongst these people because I don't really keep up with him but I saw like modern day neo-Nazi on a stream. Someone had taken a clip from a neo-Nazi stream. I don't know why you, I don't know where he literally was streaming with a little spinning swastika above his head. He looked like any other Twitch streamer, but he had a little swastika spinning above his head. And it's like, I don't know what that, you know, is that Stormfront's own version of Twitch or something. Yeah, who made that? I know, that's right.

And then, but also are there people that are just keeping tabs. I mean, I know there are people that keep tabs on lunatics like that just so they can like take a clip and be like, look what the lunatics are saying. But I sure wouldn't want that job. But anyway, so I'm going to take a clip from this. I already forgot his name. I think his like screen name is literally something like righteous truth or golden truth or the truth night or something like that. But he was in this rant saying, uh, like talking about calling essentially for the death.

I don't know if there's the death of all of them, but like white, white Christians, this is a Nazi, as far as I can tell, a white guy, but white Christians, you know,

saying at least some of them should be put to death because, and the terminology you use was, because they're race traitors to a rabbi. And the rabbi in question is, you know, the Jewish, the famously Jewish, Jesus,

Christ, so the Savior of all Christians. And it's like when you think about it, it's like, I get that, that's, it feels like as the furthest Naziist position you could take, that actually does make sense because it's like that's how much he hates Jews that like Jesus is included in that apparently. So I guess he's keeping it about as real as any Nazi does. He's probably Norse. Yeah, maybe, yeah. I don't remember his name and I probably wouldn't say it even if I did remember.

but I feel like it was definitely some kind of European, but I was thinking more like along spaghetti lines, but it might have been Norse. Oh, no, no, I mean in terms of an Odin man. Yeah, I just mean in terms of his religion, because it's the only thing I can think of that is, okay, so we know, I guess we're just so familiar with white Christian nationalists and white Christian nationalism.

Right. But that does seem odd to us, but as you have stated, that is humorously logical. That's almost like autistically racist. Right. Which, you know, there's a train joke there. Everyone listening, go ahead and make it. Isn't that why they made Jesus white here?

Is that not enough for him to like, I mean, I guess not. Maybe he's like a, he's multiple types of purists. But I always felt like that was a big part. I mean, I even had a bit about Jesus on the cross when I first started. and one of the lines is most people ask why he's white. I knew the answer that. We're racist. I want to know why he looks like an Abercrombie model.

I just thought that was enough. Do you think he was trolling? No, some people in the comments and it's also funny to me to go to bat in the comments for a dude like that. Because some people in the comments would be like, look, there's some context

who you're okay. Which again is hilarious to me. to choose that hill or whatever. But they said the context was... Golgotha? No, that... That's the hill that Jesus died on. Oh, okay.

I don't not know that. I thought that was like one of the old ones, like an Eldridge, you know, God from an under or something. That was for me. I realized you did. I'm pretty sure it was called Golgotha Hill. Okay.

Yeah. What's Calvary? Isn't that also a head? You're right. You know what? You're right. On a hill called Calvary. It's Calvary Hill.

I don't know what Galgoth is, though. That's definitely like I got it from that story. Okay. Yeah, again, because Galgatha sounds like Lovecraftian to me. It sounds like Yogsuggas or something. But I know. Maybe I'm headed up. No, no, no.

I'm sure you didn't. They had some wild words back then. I've always said it. Oh, Golgotha and Calvary are the same word. Sorry. Oh, okay. So I was right and you are right. So, anyway, they said that some,

a specific group of Christians, I guess maybe some that are actually somewhat Christ-like or whatever, but a specific group of Christians had found this guy and were like protesting him or something, you know, because he's a fucking Nazi. And so, but a Christian group from a church,

like protested him and that he was specifically only, you know, like explicitly saying that that group of Christians should be executed. And maybe not all white Christians, but in the middle, midst of making that argument, he still said the words race traitors to a rabbi or to a fucking rabbi or whatever in reference to Jesus. So I don't know how he wouldn't apply that to every other white Christian, you know,

besides just the ones who pissed him off personally. Also, I don't know how accurate any of that is other than what I heard him say. There's a huge push. There's a weird co-opting of Norse mythology and Viking tattoos and like the sort of rise in popularity of Viking culture, Viking shows, Viking music. There's this huge attempt at co-opting that from white supremacists. And I always thought it was like, at least mostly because this is the great mystery solved of what is white culture outside of the banal sort of status quo we know.

And it's like a lot, I mean, you know, it's cool. They have tattoos. They have interesting haircuts. You know, they have glorified. songs, but I wonder if this is part of it. They essentially have white gods, and it's pretty hard to argue.

It's kind of the only one. The only religion that has explicitly white gods would be the Norse religion. I mean, yeah, I guess you're right. I never really thought about it, but yeah, I believe so. I didn't think about it until today when Mark... But that's ancient Norse, though.

They do it with the Greeks, too. Wouldn't the ancient Greek gods be? Ostensibly white? They're most... Ancient sets of ancient pantheons. That's the word I'm looking for. Yeah. That's a good point. Maybe it's just that those people are the purest.

They've been liberated those circles too. Like a lot of the stoic, like I like stoic content or whatever, but, you know, the algorithm catches you're watching two or three of those. And it'll be like that. Check out this guy. And he always hates Jews. Yeah, that's me with aliens. I have that same thing, but with aliens. it's everything.

God forbid a man have hobbies, you know, without getting fed Nazi propaganda. So part of it is that, right, that it's going to creep into everything, but I do wonder if that's an extra reason. You're right,

it's not the only one, though. It is a logical conclusion. I was going to make another point, but I think I've forgotten what it is. They also famously did that with punks, right, in punk music before, like years ago. Like skinhead neo-Nazis,

you know, they basically co-opted the entire aesthetic and everything of the, the punk movement and a big part of it was there were few black people in that space in the beginning there was no way for black people to be like you know we invented i mean outside of obviously the invention of rock and roll in general and like the beats and all that but like as far as punk goes it was like all right this was started by white kids in new york and basements you know whether or not that's true that's definitely part of why they tried to co-opped it

yeah that just reminded me quick movie wreck that i think we've talked about before either on or off mic yeah if you see the movie green room yeah yeah movie that's real hard yeah wow so it's about for people who don't know it's about a punk band in the pacific northwest that gets hired by group of neo-notsis because they like punk music to play at their neo-nazzi bar this punk band is not down with that shit among other things they sing the i think it's a dead kennedy song nazi punks fuck off they sing that in front of them all which obviously pisses the nazis off and then things truly spiral from there. It's crazy fucking violent and really, really awesome.

That dude that made that, God damn it, I knew his name and now I've forgotten it, but he made another movie called Blue Ruin and that movie and that recent Netflix movie Rebel Ridge that black guy has it running with those like rednecky cop people. And that guy, he throws down. So I should give him his flowers. Anyway, I recommend his stuff,

even though I can't remember his name. It is Jeremy Salnier or Sonier, if I'm not sure from saying. Shout out to Thonier. It is funny to think about those groups having infighting and fringe people. It's funny to think about a guy filling his head with Nazi propaganda all day and then being like, all right, man, pump the brakes. This guy's too much. I know.

I agree. Well, that is a good segue into the other thing that I wanted to talk about. Yeah, I kind of thought that might be coming. Yeah, but yeah, infighting between those groups and how people compartmentalize their brain. It's wild to think of anyone whose brain works in such a fashion. But yes, obviously all this mag, this MAGA civil war, whatever is going on over the Epstein shit. I, you know, it's hitting for me, just watching it. I'm into it.

I'm not overly optimistic that's going to amount ultimately to anything. I think, you know, they're like a, they'll move on to the next thing, probably. But this is the first time I can remember since the beginning of the MAGRA. era almost 10 years ago. This is the first time I can ever remember something like this really happening where it's like a genuine, you know, schism in there. You know, there's been like brief moments like when Trump claimed took credit for the COVID vaccine and they booed him or whatever, so then he backed off and stopped and then they just let it go and a few other things here and there with like with Elon and yada yada. But this is like the first one that seems like big to me. And it's pretty

wild. Yeah, it's interesting what their move has been. And when I say their move, for people who don't keep up, and I hope none of you do, I hope everyone listening is about to learn what I'm about to say for the first time. But a lot of these people like pool, Tim Pool, cat turd, which Jesus Christ, I can't believe he continues to come up, when something like this happens within an hour of each other, and you can go check this out, there's dozens, if not more. of accounts with large to extra large followings

who are clearly being fed a narrative to run by either Republicans or the Trump administration. And that's not, if you listen to what I'm about to tell you, it's almost impossible to say that I'm wrong or that I'm being a conspiracy theorist. They are all to a man at this point, rolling out the line. Of course, the Democrats want to realize. at least the Epstein evidence.

It's got child porn in it. What a bunch of pedophiles they are. Which is like, it's insane. It's insane to imagine a person dumb enough. Right. Who's also plugged in to know what any of that means. Like, I can think of a person who just for the first time heard that.

Right. And was like, who? Epstein? The Democrats want to put out porn. Damn. But like, if you know any about this stuff, that's crazy.

It's also. it implies that like because the target audience of that who he's trying to reach and sway with that those people when they hear it ostensibly they're going to be you would think they're thinking to themselves but i mean i've been calling for that to be released for you know years or months or whatever you know like they themselves wanted the epstein list to be put you know it's a two part by trump and everything so it's like they're denying their own experience if they buy into that, which I know they do all the time. Because the first play is there's no Epstein list.

There's just Epstein evidence. And we've been saying there's a list almost like, well, some of them say almost a short form and other ones be like, well, that's something Biden invented. Now, take the Biden thing out of it. The first part does make sense. I can actually buy that there isn't like an Excel spreadsheet somewhere that international criminal mastermind Jeffrey Epstein didn't write down the dates and times. He was like, and then

this pedophile got on my plane and we fuck the boy, you know what I mean? I can totally buy that. That famous meme from the wire or whatever is like, motherfucker, are you taking notes on a criminal conspiracy or whatever? And I know I do this all the time and it's naive or whatever, but I, like, I'm totally with you to an extent

that like I just kind of have been taking it for granted that people didn't mean a literal alphabetized list that they meant the treasure trove of evidence and the case files or whatever. is like synonymous with the Epstein list or the Epstein files, but they don't. What I'm saying is they're now going to say that's what they meant.

In other words, yeah, I was calling for the release of a list. That's all I wanted. Well, it turns out there is no list. Who keeps notes of a criminal enterprise? The evidence that we have, though, is child porn. Why would you guys want that out? I never called for that. And it's just, I mean, it's just so cynical, frankly, to just,

act like this is going to work. Now, to your point about the split, I mean, a lot of people aren't buying it. And then also, and this is, by the way, this 100% has to do with Israel. And to a certain extent, Russia and Ukraine. You've got Tucker,

Candice Owens, and at least one other major one, I can't remember who it is, who have completely split on this. And they're going after Trump. But that has nothing to do with him giving a shit about the Epstein list. They've been either lightly or mildly going after Trump, depending on which one you look at over the last six months,

over Israel and Palestine. They're doing that for two reasons. Yeah, I thought the Tucker part was more, you mentioned Russia. I thought the Tucker thing was more he's a Russian stooge, and so that's why he's doing. He is, but Russia sees a weakness in Trump's anti, Trump ran on and we're not going to do war campaign. Right.

a lot of people genuinely like that about him. Because they're like America first, why are we sending, you know, why are we saving Ukraine? These aren't people who are afraid of war. They love war. But there are people who are like, why are we saving Ukraine? Why are we saving the Jews? Well, Russia saw that as an opening. And so they're paying people like Tucker Carlson to point that out.

And look, maybe Tucker has a backbone. It's not like I disagree with half the shit he's saying. I agree with about 30 to 40 percent. know what's been coming out of his mouth lately. I know. It's been weird. It's been weird seeing clips of Tucker Carlson lately that make me go like, damn, it's my fucker spitting.

Right. You know, one of the one of the speaker, even winning this whole thing about how it's bullshit that people can just be useless, worthless and having no skills and talentless and just be billionaires because of the family they're born into and then they get to run the world and fucking,

and just like this explicitly anti, you know, plutocracy type sentiment or whatever. Like, it's like, what? This is wild. He's always dabbled in populism.

He almost, he kind of famously said of Bernie Sanders, well, if we're going to do socialism, why not make it national? Right. For those keeping up at home, that's literally what the Nazi party was, national socialists. Anyway, going back to what I was saying, again, people can look it up. I'm not trying to put on a conspiracy hat. Literally, it seems that Russia is paying these people with Candace. she got booted over her Israel-Palestine stance from whatever Shapiro's company is called.

So she... Yeah, Daily Wire. Daily Wire, thank you. Tucker got kicked off Fox. You've got to pay these types of people for them to stay in your army. Because they're mercenaries. Right. And so it would appear to most people watching that it's probably Russians and or just them

going, well, here's a way to like get listeners. They see people who do have a consistent ethos like Dave Smith, a libertarian comedian from indigenous skanks, whose popularity has exploded recently because he's a right-wing libertarian type who actually has always been like, fuck war and fuck helping Israel and fuck help in Ukraine. And so people who feel that way have been like, he's like there Bernie Sanders,

only in the sense what I mean is you can go back. a decade he's been saying it you know what i mean there's no like question as soon as trump bombed iran or whatever dave smith was like well fuck him i'm done with him and i regret voting for him or whatever yeah so so someone who's been kicked out of the trump who's been lost their job at fox or lost their job at daily wire it's not easy they're not hard i mean to read the tea leaves for people like that anyway i feel like we're getting maybe convoluted if people aren't as um but i won't say the phrase I want to say, pilled as we are, Twitter poisoned. But the upshot here is that there is a fracture on the right and it does seem to be bigger

than most. It is wild to me, genuinely wild, that genocide isn't what caused it. By the way, it's not what's causing it on the left either. So America's just a crazy place to me. And I realize when October 7th happened, there's going to be like a fomenting. of that event. But it's like time has passed. I still can't believe it wasn't that. It was this Epstein thing and them going,

I can't believe Donald Trump sold us out and he's not going to release this evidence. The dude's been credibly accused. I mean, there's been pieces of him with Epstein forever. Like, how was this, it's just that he lied to you? I mean, is that? Here's what I think, and I don't know how to put this eloquently,

which is a problem because I'm trying to do a very, video about this whole thing today naturally, but I think I'm not surprised by it kind of, I mean, I'm a little surprised that there is literally any line that they actually will draw and stick to, that he could cross and it be a problem, you know, that there's any bridge. I know, because I know plenty of them are still, yeah, they're lining up and they're falling in line and it's fine.

But a large enough number of them are genuinely pissed off about this that you can say that it's caused issues. And I'm a little surprised that that's even possible. but if you told me that it is possible and that this is specifically the thing that could do it, I can't, it does sort of make sense to me when you understand, like, this, this for these people,

I feel like is like the thing. Like to them, this is like their holy grail and it's like the linchpin of the whole thing where it's like they genuinely believed it's like the fucking Clintons and the Obamas and the rest of the liberal elites are running a global pedophile cabal and also ruining the world in the shadow,

at the same time and it's the problem with everything and it's evil and that that Donald Trump was going to like shine the light of justice on it all and you know because he they like ran they said they would like that's the other thing too it's so weird about it's like they didn't even have to if they I don't really get that part of it where it's like if they knew they weren't ever going put it out I don't understand some of the moves they made and by the you know I mean him and also Bondi and cash Patel and all them but like but anyway There's really only two explanations for that, just briefly. There's only two possible explanations for that.

One is like they were going to and someone... Right. Or two, they were never going to, but they knew it would help them win. Yeah, the second one is kind of what my assumption. I assume that I figured he was probably like, well, look, I mean, I'm fucking, I literally lie all the time. I'll just tell this like, because I know people want to hear it, and then I won't do it and they won't care.

But it's clear that some people go, like Dan Bonjani or whatever the fuck his name is, weren't in on that part. It's clear that this is fucking them up. And that's at least funny. We got that for going for us. Yeah. But I just think that they, again, I just feel like this thing is just too, it just means too much to too many. They bought into this too hard and need it too bad that even the loyalty to Trump is not enough to like, you know, pull them out of it.

I guess because otherwise I hope you're right. I fear, I mean, look, this is, this is. This is one way American politics works in general. And maybe the world. I don't know. All right. Last election, I was shamed by many people, including people in my own family, to, like, vote for Kamala Harris.

Because of, and I understood the argument. It was logical. It was sound in terms of the Supreme Court, in terms of gay marriage, in terms of things that, you know, we have made some progress on. those were too sacred for me to care about. And then it was like six things that were sacred to me. Like I was supposed to ignore these six to eight things because these two were too important.

While I do, if Donald Trump had to run again, like if this were his first term, I would be so over the moon about this. I would be like, this has fucked him for the second term. And I do think this is probably fuck Jady Vance if he can't distance himself from it. But in terms of like the right completely fracturing, I don't see it. Like they may not be as crystallized around their cult leader, but they've always gotten past their differences because they have these four things that are super important to them.

I mean, Donald Trump made abortion illegal in the state I'm currently living in. There is direct link between Donald Trump's presidency and the way that rearranged the Supreme Court and now abortion is illegal in my state. state, that's enough. And it's, and like, what does drive me crazy as a Democrat is like, do you see how if you just get, like, you could be this fucked up evil corporate dim if you just give people like three things. Donald, and what I'm saying is over the last decade, the right has given the right base enough.

I think they'll overcome this. I don't think Donald Trump would be able to come back if he had to run again, but he doesn't have to. Yeah, so I guess it doesn't matter. And it's not like he's going to, he's not going to be impeached or leave or anything. So he'll just, but I don't know. It'll still be interested to see how it evolves. I just wonder if it'll just wear off eventually or whatever, or what will happen. But that argument you were making is like, and I know you're, I understand what you're saying.

I'm just saying, when you were like, you know, he had all these other things I'm supposed to ignore. But, you know, on the right, he did all these things for him. And I know that that's been what like cat turd has been saying. Like he's, you know, his whole thing has been like, look. he did this, you know, he's fucking brutalizing Mexicans and making trans people illegal and he's outlaw on abortion

and he's fucking making rich people richer and all this stuff. And that, yeah, and then that, like he, cat turd doesn't go so far as to say after all that, so let him fuck a kid because he frames it as like,

so you know, nobody's perfect, what's one little thing? But some people, regular mega people who are not like thought leaders like cat turd, but who's,

tweets get picked up and passed around because they're so insane. Some people I've seen literally then say at the end of that. So yeah, you know, look, so he fucks kids. Hey, what, you know, that he's still a great man and a great president. Everybody has flaws. Nobody's perfect. He's a great, he's the greatest president this country's ever had. And unfortunately, he fucks kids.

And then some of them are like when we're Christians and so it's up to us to accept and forgive him or whatever. And it's just like, wild. It's that Dave Chappelle Michael Jackson bit for white people and for people unfamiliar the Dave Chappelle Michael Jackson bit

is essentially have you listened to Thriller. Yeah, he's like, he made Thriller. Yeah, right. And he's joking, but it's also not a coincidence that the Wright has tried to adopt Dave Chappelle to a certain extent because if they can get past him being

black, they're on board with like the way he thinks and anyway yeah I don't look dude it's it's a nightmare and on top of all of that internationally I know that when anything like this comes up

I like I harp on it but I can't for me I can't say it enough like we are funding the most atrocious modern genocide on record, we're continuing to do it. This, for a lot of people, and I'm kind of one of them, this Epstein thing seems pretty connected to it in some capacity.

But my point with all that is like, we're dealing with this at home, and we're dealing with a right wing that is led by this insane man who can apparently just lie to his constituents for this many years and get away with it. And China just joined a 20 nation, I don't know what you want to call it, group that is looking into enforcing the ICC ruling on Benjamin Netanyahu, which we're not there yet, but can mean literally going to get him and saying we're going to make you stand trial, which means invading, which means world war. So we just dodged the world war with Iran bombing situation, and now we've got Trump in charge and the sleeping dragon

waking up, potentially. I'm not, was bullish or bearish when you're selling. Bull is good for a market, so you think the market's going to hit. So I'm bearish. I'm selling. Yeah, your bearish is pessimistic. You think it's going to not good. Okay. I'm both if I were gay and me looking at the American outlook for the next decade, very bearish.

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Now back to the apocalypse. No, you know. Welcome back to the apocalypse. I'm Drew Morgan. I'm here with Trey Crowder. Now, Trey, you live in California. My understanding of someone who has raised evangelical is you will be ground zero for the apocalypse. We're talking earthquakes, disease, wildfires.

Has anything that's been gone on in your life living out there lately changed your mind about whether or not the people who believe in the book of the revelation are insane or not? No, I mean, no, it's the godless west out here. Everybody's gay, you know, everybody's always sucking and fucking and stuff. And it's on fire. Of course, Texas is being flooded. Yeah. That might be because all them California's move there. God just seems pretty upset, you know.

But the thing, well, you know, he come up with that whole plan when it was just like Indians in California, you know. Well, but I don't think the Indians. I think the fear is godlessness, godlessness, wherever it may be. He arrived in California, and which is why maybe that's why Texas flooded. This is so insensitive to do this joke.

That's why maybe Texas flooded now that all the California, California's movie. Joe Rogan brought the floods to Texas. If they're in a preacher on the streets of Austin preaching that right now, then the Christians have fucking lost their way. That ain't the Christians I grew up with. If the evangelicals ain't out there collecting thousands upon thousands of dollars saying Joe Rogan is bad for America, then that's really what's wrong with the Christian faith today.

What, uh, well, I want to get back to the Epstein thing in a minute, but just because I'm curious now, because you'd be knowing church stuff. I've never really thought about. Obviously, I know California's godless, Sodom and Gomorrah and all that. But like... You can't ask me what Gamora is?

I don't know. I've been trying to figure it out. This is the story go that during the apocalypse or the fucking rapture and revelations, all that stuff or whatever. That, like, parts, the most sinful parts will be like the worst. But does that also follow that some parts of the earth will be like, what's the word you know spared spared kept sacred

you know untouched by the tribulations and shit if they're holy enough there so as far as I know as far as my memory serves me there's not really anything in the book of the revelation suggesting that particular parts are going to be affected more

other than Babylon will be destroyed so the question over time has been well what does Babylon mean does it mean New York City does it mean Rome does it mean America? Does it just mean the whole earth? So part of the confusion is like people have different ideas of what Babylon is.

Part of it, though, has to do with just like, because at various points in the Old Testament, God did destroy places, specifically places, you know, people are just sort of taking that. And then you've got like the Westboro Baptist Church type people. There's like a, I mean, you're familiar with like, what's the gospel, prosperity gospel, right?

Yeah, oral Roberts. Yeah, we talked about it a long ago. And plenty of others, but yeah. So there's like also an apocalyptic gospel, as you might imagine. And inside that has sort of come this like idea that like, oh, God sent a flood to New Orleans because he hates queers. But that's not really from the book of the revelation. It's more of like looking at Old Testament stories. The book of the revelation is the last book in the New Testament.

And then saying, well, that's what happened there. that must be what happened to New Orleans. The apocalypse thing is just generally there's going to be wars and rumors of wars. Generally there's going to be locusts. Generally there's going to be plagues. Generally there's going to be fires. And I'm telling you, as someone who was indoctrinated and truly indoctrinated, that's the word, psychologically. It's wild to be alive right now.

You know, because part of that is the God's choice. chosen people will return to Israel. Right. That's also in there. So it's easy to draw, but, but of course, my response to that is, oh God,

they're doing it. Like they're looking at this book and they're going, well, we better make sure the Jews get back to Israel. I mean, well, some of them are like open about that, aren't they? That particular one,

but what about, I almost feel like it's subconscious with like vaccines. you know, it's like, that's the mark of the beast. They said the mark of the beast is also going to be here during the apocalypse. And it's like, yeah, and also disease will spread. You're getting a double dose here. I got to say, though, if I were still super indoctrinated in that,

I'd like to think that I'd at least consider that the golden goat that was pulled into Marlago in February, that has $100 bills painted on it. it and it says in Trump we trust instead of in God might be a sign, a potential sign that he is, in fact, the antichrist. I was just about if you, even before you started to bring that up, I was going to ask you about it, but before we moved on, because I, again, you know, I don't know. I don't know what. Yeah.

I'm Bible done, but I've seen other people point out that Trump has a lot of the characteristics of the biblical antichrist or whatever. So speaking of, I got long-winded. What was your question? Just what is, is it part of the Bible canon that, uh, that certain places like California would be ravaged and other places would be protected or whatever. No place you answered it early. So no place would be protected. That's the part I didn't get to.

You can easily look at what it's predicting. But people might be, that people get raptured, right? So they're at some point the good people will disappear, which I've been trying to like do a joke about being evangelical in these times. and one of the lines that I or one of the ideas I have that I do like a lot is like the rapture did sound sick to me because outside of like a couple people I love dearly

total improvement dog oh yeah for sure 100% well that but it's like it depends on what you know you're doing it a bit so I get it but it's also that's the only place we ever get it is from those people so it makes sense that it would be that type but it's like and I don't remember is that how

I think that's kind of how they handled it and this is the end, the Seth Rogen movie. But the idea of like, will it be the deacons in your church who are, you know, super homophobic and secret adulters and all that shit or whatever because they're deacons in your church? Or will it be like genuinely good people even if they're non-believers and shit? But they're like, you know, will you be surprised by the people that get raptured if it does rapture? Because I feel like if it's the former... We've lost a lot of good ones lately.

Yeah. Well, we always do. Cheaty people just live forever. But anyway, I just wonder, whatever happens with fractured maga and the support for Trump and any of that stuff going forward, like, do you think that anything concrete will ever come of the Epstein, Epstein thing, you know, no matter who's in power or whatever? Meaning concrete evidence being released? Yeah. Like any kind of truth coming to light or whatnot? No.

me neither I think by the time not not in a time period where it will matter right maybe in like 30 years I think that in like be treated like the JFK files or something where they'll make a date for it but even then when that date comes and they put it out it'll be heavily redacted and shit and then but yeah I can't imagine a time in 10 years where someone is in power and things have shifted so much in the world that it won't matter like there will be no one powerful who wants it kept out and but then no one will care dude right

and gives the fuck about the victims no one does like people only give a fuck about the political theater aspect of this and the reason that it won't ever come out is because there are too many hugely rich and powerful people on every side of the political

spectrum who stand to lose something if it does right like that's what you think because that's also what I'm saying that I can imagine a time period because of some turmoil, I think this country is going to go through in the next decade, where those people aren't as powerful anymore,

and they don't have... Or dead. Exactly. But then there's no reason to release it, not in the mind of a political person. I mean, I want everyone to understand that you, like, American politics has become, just pick your sociopath.

And, you know, like something came out about that New York mayor guy where it was like, oh, man, he was kind of born a rich kid. The old one, you mean, Mom Dany or Eric Adams? Monty. Yeah, yeah. It was like, oh, he was kind of born a rich kid. He did this and I'm like, good.

I needed to hear that he was a little bit of a psycho or they're going to eat him a lot. So with that in mind, like, I can imagine a situation where it could potentially come out in 10 years, but then I just don't think, like, when it gets to where the powerful people can't prevent it from happening, well, then it won't matter. It's got no juice now. Right. that's my take yeah no I mean I pretty much agree with that I mean I do I don't know why I said pretty much I do agree with that but I just want to make sure we had the same take sometimes I'm not sure in our the episode of skews that will come out later today because we pre-record them now is also about this but obviously more about the like me and you are having a speculative conversation obviously Mark be talking about facts and stuff but also I don't ever or sometimes I can't tell exactly where what Mark thanks here's here or sometimes I can't tell exactly where what Mark thanks here or thinks is going on despite having had multiple conversations with him about it.

And yeah, for the audio, I'm talking about Smart, Mark, my co-hosts on Weekly's skews if y'all don't listen to it. But he, uh, yeah,

I don't know. Well, he's not here to respond. Like he thinks there's, uh, I don't know. So I can't tell if he thinks that I'm crazy for thinking versions of what we just said basically.

Like if he thinks there's even less to it or whatever. Uh, but he acknowledges obviously that something, I, I remember one thing he did say was like, I don't, it's like, you know, I don't know what's going on, but I do know that I'm being lied to. And that's enough or whatever. Yeah. But I think he's just, you know.

I think that there is, I don't, I don't buy into the idea that like there's evidence of even 20 to 40 actually super powerful people doing this stuff. I think there's some. But I also think it's like once the lie, well, now we're going to get into my tin foil hat. Let me say this about Mark. I have noticed lately that he is, and I respect this, desperately searching for a positive spin on the facts that are being presented, probably to keep from washing his mouth out with a gun. And I so very genuinely respect that. And it's actually kind of like, it's genuinely respectable because we all know we're being. being lied to and we none of us really know what's going on.

Well, if we don't know, maybe we should choose to believe some of the better things. But then that gets dark when you think about MAGA doing the same thing. Because now they are going to be like, well, I guess Trump saved us from releasing a bunch of child porn. Thank God he's still my hero. Because why wouldn't they believe that? They don't, like, what, what's the, what's the good thing for them to believe otherwise? It makes them feel good, you know?

I don't, you just have to hope that this genuinely, again, against all odds, this is like, this is truly different for those people, the ones that are, you know. But that won't make it right now that they won't. No, I agree, you're right. It just, whoever, whoever. Make him home. It could keep him home. I feel like that's how Biden won.

Right. Yeah, well, I would take that. I would take it keeping them home. But it, but like you said, it isn't going to be Trump again. Well, I mean,

presumably. Katie showed me a post this morning, fucking JD. I guess just recently posted on Blue Sky, which I mean, I'm sure he posted it on everywhere, but I didn't even know

he's fucking on Blue Sky, but I guess he's the vice president. He's got to be everywhere. He posted a picture of himself, smiling, wearing a hat that said Trump, 2028 on it. And it said something like,

it said something like, big news coming soon or something, big, something for my future or something like that. And you check. And you checked to make sure it was actually She did, she claimed to have Because she said, like while standing there

She went and looked and said, no, it's on there. It's real. I just checked. So I'm trusting. I guess if you're going to do it, you've got to start now to get people used to it. Well, then I am happy about the FD's about it. That's what's about saying.

Like, if that was their plan, then maybe this will at least stop the bat up. Oh, it's definitely their plan. It's in Project 2025. It's in there. Right. I think they're planning a claim that if they're not consecutive, that it just means you can,

only do two consecutively. Right, yeah. Well, the thing I ever seen was that they were going to, Andy fucking Ogles, I think, was the face of it, who's from Tennessee, obviously, wanted to do like a bill or resolution, whatever the fuck it was, that said, that basically outlined what you just said, but that they were putting it in there. It can't be consecutive terms because, you know, that would keep Barack Obama from running again or what the fuck ever.

But anyway, yeah, I know, but that's, I don't know if it's just a whatever. I'm just trying not to think about it thing. But as far as that all goes, I just been, you know, the whole time I've been thinking like, well, okay, but surely that won't happen. I mean, also he's fun. I mean, he is old as fuck. He's fat. He's fat. He don't live right. Like, I don't know.

I just really hope that it ain't that. But again, if it is that, then this whole thing does help with that. Yeah, you got to split them up if you're going to topple it, you know. I've been wanting to say this and I'm afraid I'm going to forget. And you probably have done this or know this. But for your video, and the Internet's pointed this out, but it's still important that you also pointed out, you need to make a comment, in my opinion,

about how Galane Maxwell is the only one who went to prison, and Pam Bondi is looking like the only person who's going to be fired. That's just funny. It's funny when sexism is sexism. I don't know if that makes sense to women. I hope it doesn't hurt anyone's feelings. It's just funny when people would be. due to thing they be due.

You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just like, you guys, you guys really? Just put the woman in prison and only fired the woman. And now you're saying the list doesn't exist. What should you go to prison for? That's wild if there's no evidence.

That's crazy. Yes. No, you're right. It is. I do, I feel like that that, uh, well,

I don't know, maybe not. I, to me, I feel like that's, you have to make it very clear that you're saying, it's funny that she's the only one that went to prison as opposed to like

because I mean like obviously her ass should be in prison right do you know what I mean like instead of having it come across it's like she's a what like she's been fucking railroaded because she's a woman is like nah she wasn't railroad like she should be in prison it's just but it is funny that she's the only one who's actively in prison well that's what happens when you carry water for the patriarchy

I mean frame it that way you know what I mean like hey ladies all you ladies all you ladies out there who are pretending like this is cool because you want to like, you know, have some man pay all your bills and live out your, what is it, cottage core life or wherever the fuck's going on, the internet with Gen Z. This is what happens, dude. When shit hits the fan, you're out.

It's another version of like the recent genre of internet videos which involve a crying Latina Trump supporter who's, right. whose family member just got deported El Salvador or whatever the fuck you know spliced together with footage from before the election of them like fucking dancing in maga hats

to fucking at Trump rallies and shit and then cut to them crying in their car because he's deported everybody and it's like yeah I don't you know I don't know what you thought or that even a white guy there was that white dude who was born in Canada

but has lived in New Hampshire since he was three years old and he's a big time MAGA Trump supporter. He went to visit family in Canada and they didn't let him back in the country. And I don't know if they, I don't know if they, uh, I don't know if they were backed off of that. This was last week. I didn't follow up on it. But I know that like,

he was turned away and then like, you know, told with like long enough for people to write articles about it. Like he got left that he had to like send his children back over the border to their mother because he wasn't going to be. They weren't going to let him come back into the country. And, you know, it's like, you know.

Sorry about your luck, buddy. It's fucking to what you wanted. Yeah, it's, all that kind of stuff is darkly funny, you know? Yeah, right. It's hard to laugh about that guy publicly. And it not feel like, to me, a slap in the face to people who are going through that same exact thing. But but didn't vote for you. You know what I mean?

Yeah, right. It's like a fine line to walk. No, it is. Well, it's always like, it's like whenever, you know, like I think if you. make fun of like Lindsey Graham for being an old queen or whatever the fuck. It's like it's not because that he's get it's not just like homophobia or making fun of gay people or whatever. It's specifically because of, you know, the active role he's taken over the course of his life and making other, you know, other queer people's lives worse. And that's so the context, you know, makes it different.

It's totally fair to point out. Makes it funny. Yeah, right. Yeah, exactly. But, uh, yeah i don't know there was those log cab speaking of lindsay graham and he wasn't part of this i'm just saying his people i guess well they the log cabin republicans is that what they call them which is the log is that a dick joke because i mean you know guys are cheeky like gays are cheeky like that the log

cabin republicans which is like the gay republican demo or whatever they went to some campaign event last year a trump rally or something and got ran out of there by all the other mega people who were you know yelling the F slur at them and stuff until they left and they were like we can't believe this happened it's like really like you really can't believe that that happened i just don't understand what they've yeah walk me through that walk me through your disbelief right yeah that's crazy yeah all those people in those they just all think that it's like okay but i but not that not me because i'm i'm i'm a patriot like i'm you know i'm one of them i'm on their team and they understand that they know that and it's like that ain't how they want to

work. Well, they bought the lie. Right. They've bought the lie that Trump and his biggest base are people who just agree with his views on these four things. I mean, dude, it's like it's the Schultz thing to a certain extent, too. You know, Andrew Schultz voted for Trump. Lifelong Democrat he claimed. Voted for Trump, he claimed.

Now he's against Trump, he claims, because Trump's doing, you know, the opposite of what he said he was going to do. It's a similar thing of that of like, I realize that there's been times where you've been told by Fox that he's not homophobic or racist and that his fans aren't. But why did you believe that? Like, genuinely, show me other than Fox claiming it or him saying it. Like, what proof, you know? And it's falling for that at a certain age.

I mean, especially if you gay. Like, I'm sorry, but, like, don't you have, have some defense mechanisms up of people tricking you and being mean to you at the back end, has that not happened to you before? That's crazy to me. Yeah. And the, you know, I think with Schultz in particular, and not just him, but, you know, that was a real trend, dude.

That was a real cool thing to do if you were, you know, a famous male comedian. Yeah. But I bet you, it's a grift, too. He made a lot of money doing it. And I guess, I mean, I don't know. He's going to make money. Now he genuinely feels bad. Or yeah, is that he feels the tide turning or something?

You know, he thinks he can. This is Nike sponsoring Kaepernick, dude. It's a good sign. It means nothing as far as Nike goes. But it's a good sign that they think they can make money off justice. You know, it's not a good thing that they're doing it, but it's a good sign. It's a good sign that people are jumping ship. They're trying to save face while they do it.

But what's special to me about it, Andrew Schultz and I mean that word and I mean it with my whole heart. He is a special person, not to me, but in terms of being different. He sees things before everyone else and he accurately predicts how they're going to go. His first thing that got him on Rogan was a YouTube special. He titled View from the Sis. And it was kind of anti-woke, but what I want people to listen right now to understand is he basically invented it. he didn't invent it, but he turned it into a lane.

And that's 100% true. Now, he didn't get credit for that because then bigger people, Rogan and Chappelle specifically, did a version of it. But Andrew Schultz saw that as a lane before everyone else. He saw podcasting a different way than other people and went video with it. He saw jumping ship on the Democratic Party as a lane, and he sees this as a lane. what he is is a stand-in for his fans right now,

in this instance, in my opinion, a stand-in for his fans who feel bad, but they don't want to say, I'm a piece of shit. So this gives them, he is validating them. Right, I was lied to, man, and I'm going to keep listening to Andrew because that's how I feel too. I did vote for him, but, you know,

he didn't do anything he promised. I got tricked. I'm a victim. Right. And it's like, That's all that woke shit was is I'm the victim because they won't let me say my bad words. Yeah. No, no, you're right. And it's like you said earlier, it's like you got tricked.

You got lied to. He's not doing what he said. It's like, how? I mean, I get, the Iran stuff, like the, whatever, the war stuff and this Epstein thing, I understand how you could say that because he literally said he would, you know, release the Epstein files. And also, he always was America first and anti-war or whatever. but that's two things. All the other things that he like stood for,

he's done a lot of them and a lot of them are bad. And then, you know, with the Epstein stuff in particular, why would you ever believe that? Again, it's like you said way earlier, what did you think was going on

with all the pictures and videos and stuff and magazine articles and everything from years that we've all seen, like what? He was working undercover 25 years ago to pull this off now. Like, is that really what you think? Like, you know,

It's just correct. There's a clip of Andrew Schultz talking to Tim Dillon. And it's like, you can tell for him it's like a moment of like, almost like a crowning. This is post-pandemic. Tim's huge. And Andrew has at that time probably the second biggest podcast on the planet. Those two things weren't true before the pandemic started. And Schultz is saying to Tim in the interview,

I knew you would be great with this, this being the pandemic. I knew you would know how to operate it. I knew me and you were going to come out on top. That gives you a little insight in how he's thinking in terms of, you know, it's not like, I feel like I and you are like, this is what's going on in the world. What's the joke about it? His level of thinking is more from a PR standpoint,

more from a trend standpoint, more from a historical one. seems to me. And he's special, I used that word on purpose earlier because he gets it right a lot of times. I think he's getting this one right. I think to me that's the biggest, whatever the opposite of the canary

in the coal mine is right now is that people are like, I don't give a fuck of Tucker Carlson jump shit. Because Tucker Carlson, he's, you know, I'm calling Andrew a whore to a certain extent too, but Andrew's a whore to the audience

he's already built. Right. Tucker is a whore to like wherever he can get the next check from whatever audience. I feel like Andrew Shultz and people like him are reading the T. Leaves on their own audience, which is a big swath of America. I think that's a good scene.

And now the biggest question of all, which we're not going to answer here, it's rhetorical. It remains for the world to see, and believe me, the world is watching. How is Joe Rogan going to react to this? Whereas how does he reading the Tee leaves? I don't know, yeah, I know, because I agree. Because if he does something similar to what Shultz did, I mean, you're right, it's like if only in front of him.

interpreting it through a lens of they see that this is where things are going or they're you know, they feel the need, you know, this benefits them to have this opinion or they just genuinely do or any of that is all, you know, says something at least not bad about the future. But I think Joe needs to convince himself he does feel that way first. And that's not necessarily me saying he's a better person than anyone else. I mean, he might be me calling him dumber. I think Joe needs some time to convince himself that that's how he feels and then he'll do it. Yep.

Well, we'll see. All right. You can see me, by the way, if you come to, if you go to Trey Crowder.com and check out my upcoming dates. If you're listening to this when it comes out this weekend, I'll be at the comedy store in La Jolla and San Diego with Caleb Signing. Very funny Caleb Signing. And after that, Des Moines, Omboyne, Omaha, Kansas City,

Indianapolis, Austin, and St. Louis. That may not be the exact order, but it's something like that over the next few weeks. And then on from there, tons of other dates in the fall. They're all at Trey Crowder.com where you can also find a link to my special trash daddy. If you haven't watched it already, please go watch it. And yeah, Drew, what do you got? Yeah, I will be in Knoxville, Tennessee, Friday, July 25th, Kingsport, Tennessee, Saturday, July 26th.

Birmingham, Alabama, Thursday, July 31st, just announced that one. Denver, Friday and Saturday. the 15th and 16th of August and then Chattanooga Friday and Saturday the 5th and 6th of September so that is Denver Chattanooga Birmingham Kingsport and Knoxville

Tennessee I might be announcing Asheville soon although I think I might save it for next year as you guys know I haven't been touring much but I've been fucking itching lately and I put that out in the university I'm getting out there so come see me I know that Knoxville show I don't I think it's too close to

add another one and we're close to selling out so if you want to me in Knoxville. You're going to have to hop on that. And then you can check out my Don't Tell Comedy special. Don't Tell Comedy, bullying, my son. About 100,000 of you have seen it. I'd like to double that by tomorrow. Get on it.

All right. Yeah. And, yeah, next week, Cho shall return. Let's all hope and pray that he pulled it off and has saved the world with his comedy up there in New York City. We look forward to hearing about it when he gets back. Fingers crossed. and that'll do it for this week.

So thank you all for listening to The Well Red Show. We'd love to stick around longer, but we got to go. Tune it next week if you got nothing to do. Thank you. God bless you. Good night and skew. Whop. Fart.

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