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Episode Date: October 14, 2021

What can four straight men say about The Chicks, other than they are the seminal country music female super group who restructured the entire industry and crossed over into pop superstardom (all while handling Toby Keith like he was a jealous critic)? The Chicks have more hits than they got blonde hair dye, which is to say they got a lot. But none are more iconic than the murder ballad set to honky tonk dance music known as "Goodby, Earl." Dive on in and we think everyone will agree, that Earl had to die.

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The year is 1999. You're at Spencer's Gifts in the Westtown Mall eating 3D Doritos and laughing way too hard at an anatomically correct sex toy while your girlfriend rolls her eyes at you. You tell her, I'm going to get us tickets to Warp Tour, even though you have no money, no job, and your mother has forbidden Limp Biscuit from even being played in your house. Cool, she says, knowing you can't make it happen, and that even if you could, she has no interest in those bands. She also has no interest in sex toy jokes, or sex toy not jokes.

She's changing, but you do not yet know how much or why. All you know is she's saying. suddenly got really into her older sister's records like, no doubt, and jagged little pill or something. And she really loves Shania Twain because, quote, she's country like me and tells it how it is. You leave Spencer's and go meet her friends at the food court to eat some of those free, delicious bourbon chicken samples and get a Frito pie. The girls all get Orange Julius and ignore you. You ignore them, too, until you can't. Because they begin singing at the top of the time. pop of their lungs, a song by a thick-accented blonde group called The Dixie Chick.

Goodbye Earl is a number about killing a man who beat his wife. The guy had it coming, and the song is kind of catchy, and you're totally on the girl's side. All the girls, the girls at the mall, your girlfriend, the Dixie Chicks, you would totally, never, even for a second, think about hitting a woman, but for some reason, as she hits that chorus, she looks right at you like you did something worse than the time you kissed a girl at church camp. What the hell? Your name's not even Earl.

This is Bubba Shot the podcast. Today we are listening to Goodbye Earl by the Chicks. So throw on some curve after shave. Watch the video and let's party like it's 1999. Bubby shout the podcast and that's right. A show about country at a time. Okay. are on our, you know, I would say the most important penultimate seminal 90s country music

podcast in the whole world. I'm kidding, of course, about that. It's good by Earl. The ultimate means next to last. I was about to say, are we almost done? I don't know what words mean. Let's do the stats on today's song. Good by Earl was written by our man, Dennis Lindy, a country music legend, initially recorded by the band The Sons of the Desert in the late 90s. It never came out. And then a group then called the Dixie Chicks, now I want to be referred to as the Chicks, put it on their fifth studio album, Fly. It came out in 1999 in August, and it got unsolicited airplay, which was becoming a little more common by the late 90s, but was still pretty rare. Unsolicited airplay means they had not technically released the song as a

single. They did not release the song as a single until early 2000. We're talking February of that year. We still chose to include it on our 90s country podcast because it was released in 1999. It won the video of the year in 2000. It was number six on CMT's 100 greatest music videos of all time.

What else do I need to tell you guys? It peaked at number 13 on the Hot Country songs, but it went to 19 on the Billboard Hot 100 charts, which at time was their highest ranking in pop. So this song ranked low for the chicks on the country billboards, but was their highest one on the pop charts, which I think was indicative of things to come both culturally and in terms of music as far as the chicks goes.

Boys, let's get into it. First off, it definitely deserves to be ranked amongst the best country music videos of all time because, and I went back and watched it before this episode, and I guess at the time I just didn't know any of these people when I definitely saw this video when it came out but we're talking it's got Dennis Franz in it. Yeah. And this is the honor of it. And yeah, he's the he's Earl. And like we got to understand too, this video was shot in 1999.

NYPD Blue was very much a huge show on television. So this isn't like Dennis Franz says he's not really doing anything. And like he was a huge star. He was a show in his ass on network. Brothers you say, this like not that far removed from him showing his ass. You've got... This was America's ass before fucking Steve Rogers. He was.

Dennis Franz in the 90s. He's, we've also got, so we've got Dennis Franz. We've also got Jane Krasowski before she was ever really anything. I mean, obviously she was wild to me. That was wild because I'm like, oh my God, it's a, uh, fuck, what's her character in 30 Rock? Um, and whatever. Uh, but anyway, she, I mean, she, uh, yeah, No, son of a bitch.

I know. It's one of my favorite shows ever. It doesn't matter. But she's huge now and so talented. Seeing her was like what. And then freaking Lauren Holly of dumb and dumber fame. I mean, this is a stacked video. And this is a not huge, not really, really, like, they weren't the Dixie Chicks yet.

Like, this is a pretty remarkable video. I'm very entertaining and great. And I also got to say, I remember being like fifth grade when this came out. And I still think there is. as gorgeous and lovely today as they ever were in my fifth grade mind. I got a question about them. When we talk about this song, is it retroactively the chicks? Or is this by the Dixie Chicks?

You know, they were the Dixie Chicks when all this came out. I know they've since changed their names, but when you're talking about the old stuff, do you retroactively apply the new name? I know that Tushar sent a link to the video earlier, and the video now says, The Chicks, Good night, girl. I don't know.

What's the S-O-P there? I think we have to acknowledge all the things you just said in terms of who that band was, but according to my wife, who has a lot of opinions about us doing this today, and just stuff in general. And stuff in general, but especially this band. Because she saw them on this tour,

and I'm going to have a commuter a minute and tell us about that, tour. But she says they have requested that we refer to them as the chicks in general. Retroactively. If that's what they want, that's fine. And I will do that. But like, just like I'll call Caitlin Jenner, Caitlin Jenner,

but we know who won the goddamn gold medals. You know what I'm saying? So, like, I'll do it. If that's what they want. I think that's different for so many reasons. Whatever. Hey, I don't know. Just asking questions.

But yeah, they're the chicks. Whatever. If that's what they want, that's what we'll do. So, Dixie, like, if you got a dog named Dixie, that don't hit anymore, like for people. I'm kind of confused about that whole thing too. Yeah, me too, because, like, you know, I know, like, whistling Dixie, that ain't it. And obviously, Dixie, the whole, like. Why?

Like, because, is, because the song, like, if you're whistling, Dixie, like the song, or is, like, is the phrase whistling Dixie bad. I'm not saying it's not. I genuinely don't know. I just think that the song, which I don't even know, do you know how it goes? No, matter of fact, I'm thinking, like, when I hear whistling.

People's talking about it. When I hear whistling Dixie, I think of that Dwight Yocam song that's like, he ain't just a whistling Dixie. Like, I know the phrase, but I don't really know this. Or is it, I wish I was in the land of cotton. Old times there or not forgotten. Look away.

look away, look away, Dixieland. That's Dixie. Yeah. I think that's it. So you guys are all touching on, all right, I looked at it as a little bit. So there's not exactly consensus on where the word Dixie comes from. The earliest reference that people think it might be was a Dixie note from a bank, back when banks would print her own money, especially in the South, in New Orleans,

which Dixieland beer, which just, it's also got a new name now as of like four years ago. But that's one of the oldest breweries in America. there in New Orleans. A lot of people think the word Dixie came from there. However, and so people who say that, it's like, well, we don't have to, that has nothing to do with segregation, that has nothing to do with anything necessarily negative. So why the change? But a lot of people will acknowledge that however it, whatever its origin was, I wish I was in Dixie

is probably the song that made it something outside of New Orleans that everybody, well, that's a mid-19th-century musical product coming out of the blackface minstrel. It's like the number one all-time menstrual jam is Dixie. And it's very synonymous with like the, you know, post-war South and all that. So the argument there is that it became a de facto national anthem. Right. So the argument there is that Dixie doesn't represent a place. It represents an identity.

because like if the song of the name, I wish I was in the South, it's not like we would stop referring to this place as the South. That's just what it is. But like Dixie represents an idea, not a geographic place. Okay, but like to who long. It's like I, you know, hell, like in 2016,

after I first went viral, one of the first like, I don't know, probably 10, five, one of the first five to 10 videos that I made. And this was back when I had first popped. So like, of views and stuff was called in defense of Dixie where I was just sort of like

trying to set the record straight on like I just saw all you all you know like I love the South still I'm not here to like engage in shit talking it with you and in the video I didn't call the South Dixie but that's how I titled it and didn't think twice about it you know what I mean because I mean it's on our

book forever right yeah yeah hell yeah I wouldn't even thinking about that Dragon Xxia out of the dark yeah you're right so I'm saying I Dixie just always was another word for the American South. Right. Obviously, the American South got a whole lot of problems. Right.

That's sort of our whole thing is trying to point out how like that's not the entirety of the American South. I always thought Dixie was just another word for the region. Me too. I gather that's not correct, but I'm saying it's like, well, it is correct. It's kind of complicated. And oftentimes people will say this stuff's complicated because they don't want to. deal with like you know parsing it out but like it is because it is a name for the south but the song that made it popular and made it into the zeitgeist of the country let me read you some lyrics

south run the one cori was doing right it's the same yeah but they the lyrics have been there's been various versions over the year let me read you the original lyrics south runs hear your country call you up less worse than death befall you hear the northern thunders mutter, northern flags, and southern wind flutter, send them back your fierce defiance, stamp upon the cursed alliance. It's also too, like, it was literally a forward pretty cut and dry. Well, here's the deal, too, like when I think of Dixie, like, too, A, that song comes to mind, but also like Hank Williams, Jr., if heaven ain't a lot like Dixie, and it's pretty

much just an updated version of that. And also, I can't help but think of Dixie outfitters, which was like this kind of big Johnsony type clothing company. and they primarily featured the rebel flag on a bunch of things. But in my opinion, and this just happens, and it's just something we have to deal with and go, well, how do we want people to perceive us? To me, it's like a bunch of assholes took the word Dixie

and did a bunch of bullshit with it. And now it's like, all right, we're going to lose that. Like me and Amber, Amber brought up like not too long ago. My wife, who is the most apolitical human being you'll ever meet, she doesn't get involved in it at all. But we were driving down the road and we saw some dude with an American flag just like, you know, in the back of his truck, like a huge one. And she, and Amber goes, you know, it really fucking sucks that when I see that,

I assume that's a dickhead. She's like, I shouldn't do that. Like, but it's true. Like, because he also had a Trump bumper sticker. You know what I'm saying? She's like, it really sucks that like those people fucking parade the American flag out so much that now like I don't even want to hardly have one at my house because I, because less people think I'm one of them.

Yeah. Well, I think, you know, if you got a truck and you're like us, you just put a big American flag and also like a big rainbow flag. Yeah, it would hit. In the back of it, something like that, you know, just sort of lay it all out there. Hell is. Or some truck nuts slapping against the dude's butt hole. Yeah. There you go.

Here's your truck nuts. Yeah. Truck nuts and truck butts. There we go. There we go. Amen. Truck butts are long overdue. I know, dude.

Nutts had their day in the sun. Have them hooked up to a horn, make a fart? How did truck butts not follow directly in the way? Because it's gay. Merch, merch idea for Bubba shot the podcast, truck butts. Somebody make it happen. Put tetties on the front of it.

Yeah, hell yeah. Call the truck nut people and get some sort of like partnership licensing hooked up, I guess, unless that's just public domain and we can make our own truck nuts because you do want to have the combo of truck nut to truck butt slap it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Because otherwise, what's the fucking point? There's not one. You just got to ask, you just got a butt hole in the back of your truck and you look like an idiot.

Yeah. We have clearly solved every issue surrounding the controversy of the name, the Dixie chicks with truck butts. So I guess we should move on to the art and the song as it were. So let's get into that. Do you want me to start? You want me to start? with lyrics or wait on two sharp for that. First of all, let's talk about our boy Lindy because there's an Easter egg in here and I assume you guys know about it but our listeners probably don't.

For those listening, if you don't know, we've gone over Lindy a few times and we've specifically done one of my favorite songs in the world, Queen of my Double Wide trailer. In Queen of My Double Wide trailer, the young lady runs away and our

protagonist has to rescue her and finds her with her new man on a park bench, his name is Earl and he's the Charlie Daniels of the Torquench. That is in fact, this is confirmed

the same Earl. Dennis Lindy is apparently referred to this Earl in a few songs and partially wrote this song to kill him off as a character so they didn't have to think about him anymore. That's wild.

That's fucking beautiful, man. But the Charlie Daniels of the Torquering from Queen of my double-wide trailer. It don't hit for me knowing that he's a fucking

woman-meating real piece of shit. I always pictured him as sort of a, you know, like star-crossed down on his luck, you know, lover type. He thought he

thought he had roped in the queen of the double-white trailer, but alas, he had not. He might be, dude, a lot of people don't. Well, also. You're right. It's not like, I mean, there are dudes who start their late blooms in the woman-beaten game.

You know what I'm saying? Is that true? I'm not saying, I don't believe you. I just felt like, you know, you come out of care. No, you always want to. I think you've always want to, but like they've held it in. He goes into the woman-baiting water, like if you go on. And that also, Charlie Daniels.

Charlie Daniels was a long-haired hippie. Don't tell me what to do. And then, as we all know, he died as just a reactionary. pining for fascism, anyone different than him should be thrown in jail. I think that Charlie Daniels with a torquench might have been the most apt metaphor. Lindy could have done.

Sometimes... Also, realistically, all that means is he's good with a torque ranch. You're telling me that, well, I can't believe someone who's good with a torque wrench wouldn't ever go outside a woman's head. He also, yeah. He also, yeah, he just, I just never,

I never interpreted Charlie, you know, that Earl from that song. as being villainous. No, I'll hear you, but the only two songs about him are... He's the Charlie Daniels of the Torqu Ranch.

Earl was trying, don't you leave me? Yeah, and then he started beating and he developed a distrust of women. He didn't like chase after whoop her ass right there in front of Sammy. Of course, I mean, he knew better. You had slamming Sammy standing there. Cowards, right?

Yeah. Women betterers are cowards. But I mean, right? The only two things we know about him is he's a Charlie Daniels, the Torque Ranch, and he whispered, honey, let's just go on home and have some onion rings. No, no, no, no. No, that's Sammy, right? That's Sammy.

Okay. Yeah, well, either way. So there's a reason Sammy got her. You know what I mean? For sure. I just always, I don't know. It just, it don't hit. I hear you.

For the protagonist of my double-wide trailer even more so. Good on you. Yeah. Saving her from that asshole piece of shit now that we know what he's about. Right. it just changes, you know, that's one of the hitting the signs in that whole song, the Charlie Daniels or the Tor crunch.

And I understand what you're saying, Corey. It's like, that in no way preclude someone from slapping a woman, you know. Right. You know, arguably increases the odds, some would say. Yeah. You know, but still, it's just. Yeah, I mean, I just think it's wild trivia. And it's so.

Yeah, it's a fun. It's yet another thing about Lindy that, just makes me love him. Because even if you are heartbroken, and I totally understand that, Tray, it's just rad that he gave us that to talk about. Just like... It's a universe. He created a universe.

I love shared universe shit like that. The idea that that existed in 90s country super hits me. I wish everybody had been doing that. Yeah, it's very Faulkner-esque, by the way, with reference Southern Greats. Let's talk about something

kind of big and then we'll get in the lyrics and bring Tushar on. To set this up, we need to talk about how big the Dixie Chicks are and were at one time. And I'm going to give you Corey a little bit of pushback. You said you didn't think they were that big when this song came out, but I don't know if that's true because this was their fifth album. Okay. Yeah, okay. I was wrong. In my mind

I was thinking like, oh, this was like, here's why. Because I don't have the numbers in front of me. This was my introduction to the Dixie Chicks. Right. So in my mind, this was also their introduction to the world. And like, as we were talking, I was like, oh, that's clearly not true. So you already brought up

the hitters in the music video. So there was controversy at the time. Like I said, we're going to get in the lyrics, but I think everybody has an idea of what happens. They kill Earl. Earl has to die. There were a lot of radio stations that were hesitant to play the song, or they'd play it with caution, or they would play it, and then afterwards

put up like a number or announce a number women can call if they're dealing with that. But then Rita Smith, who's the executive director of the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence, was like, this is creating public dialogue around a taboo subject. Some women think violence is the only way they can get out of violence. We need to have these conversations. So in terms of living now during cancel culture and all that, going back to what I was talking about with it, charting,

this song charted poorly for a Dixie Chick-Chic song, and it would be hard to prove, but almost impossible to deny, that people's unwillingness to play it had something to do with that because they were huge A and B, it's probably one of their three or four most iconic songs. Right. Well, that's what makes it surprising to me

that it charted poorly because I remember, I remember this song being fucking huge. Women, dude, loved it. Of course they did. Every girl in my house. I loved it, too. It charted poorly. I should be clear in country, it charted the highest they had ever charted at that time on the pop charts.

That makes kind of sense. Like if the, I mean, I can see, and I don't know what the temperature at the time was, but like if there's a lot of country people who are like, we're not going to play this because of the message it sends. And then some pop people were like, are you hearing this right now? You mean that they'll play this song and this song from a man about killing somebody, but they won't play this song. Well, by God, we are going to play this.

Like the pop starts like, we're. We're going to be, this is like their woke thing. Like, we're going to play this country song because country is turning their back on these women. I get that and I applaud that. That's awesome. Yeah, I agree with you. Another thing I wanted to say or reference in terms of the culture at the time was let's talk about some of the parodies of it. Now, Cletus T. Judd did a parody called Goodbye Squirrel.

It's a very normal. It's a very cleatist song. There's nothing. I remember it. There's nothing I could draw from it that would point to anything. You know, he just was doing parodies. It was a huge song, so he did a parody of it. However, Ray Stevens made a parody sequel to the song called,

Hey, Girls, This is Earl. I didn't die where he comes back and has to be arrested for attempted murder while also turning himself in for the things he had done in the past. Ray Stevens basically did a classic country call and response song, kind of like in the vein of God didn't create Honky Tonk. Angel. By the way, how ironic is it that there were two parodies of this

song and Ray Stevens was the one not about a squirrel? Pretty ironic. There were three parodies. Okay. But very ironic. I guess what I'm getting at though is it seems like Ray's response from the lyrics of that song are almost shaming them. Like somebody needs

to stand up for these women who are killing men. Right. Yeah, because there are still those like there's still those dudes who like no matter how much proof or everybody knows it's going on when it's like a woman beating situation they're like well you know it's still he said she said and let's get all the facts in and blah blah blah blah blah so like that's just that's just so insane all right and now and this one these people aren't famous but this is really something else a group called

the dixie dicks recorded a response record my name is earl about a different man named Earl, whose wife, after listening to Goodbye Earl and Martina McBride's Independence Day, falsely accused the new Earl of domestic violence, which led to this Earl fearing for his life. In other words, in other words, I mean, think about how connected that is to current, you know, like conservative mindset of like, yeah, but what about the guy who didn't do it? who now there's a witch hunt for guys name Earl now because of our Tina McBride and the Dixie chicks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like that's that.

I hear this all the time when like, you know, there's like some sort of like famous person. It comes out that they raped like 15 to 20 people and someone always goes, well, you know, sometimes women just say that and it's not true. What about those men? I'm like, right, we're not talking about that right now. And like, is this really what you're going to bring up the second? you hear, hey, this guy definitely probably did this to be like, I don't know, sometimes bitches be lying.

Like, that's kind of insane. At least that song seems creative, though. Like, that's a pretty, that's kind of wild. Well, sorry, I'm burping. To me, this is, and there's going to be anybody who looks at their career, there's a million examples of this, of how on point ahead of the curve, whatever you want to say, that Dixie Chicks were for their time, in terms of. leaning in and tapping into the kind of yes queen movement really before it took off in fact they

end up getting canceled not too long probably three years after this maybe four uh they end up getting canceled not too long after this for being against the iraq war and honestly if they had pulled that move eight months later eight months you think my i mean like okay maybe not eight months but not that long like that was during a time when september 11th had like it was pretty fresh, Bush had just thrown the fucking heater at Yankee Stadium down the middle, the country was as united as they've been in my entire lifetime.

This was before the WMD's bullshit. If they had just waited during the middle of the WMD shit. Is that all true? Yes. I thought the the chick's whole thing with that was because before the W&D shit,

there was no war in Iraq. Were they protesting that we would go to Iraq? Like, before it happened because Afghanistan, September 11th, Bush throwing the pitch, Afghanistan, all that. Pretty much everybody was in agreement. This is what needs to happen. This is how it should be. Then they drug Iraq into it seemingly out of nowhere. It was 2003 when this happened. Right, but that coincides with us going into Iraq. Yeah. Their whole thing was we ought not go into Iraq, which was like, I'm not saying you're wrong. the political climate of the country was like,

you don't say nothing bad about the, but, but like, that was their whole thing, was like those of us who were arguing against or saying like, what the fuck does 9-11 have to do with Iraq, you know, which is where they were at? But it wasn't before, it was entirely to do with the WMDs and all that shit.

I think Trey's right. Okay. I'll make a mental note that Trey. Okay, yeah, but it was, no, no, no. But what I mean is it's it, but it was before they found out and it kind of became clear that it was a lot. That's what I meant. Like I didn't, I didn't mean that it was before. I meant that it was before it became pretty clear to everybody that like, no, actually there were no WMDs there.

And we didn't have no business being there. That's what I meant. Well, all I was trying to say is that they were ahead of the curve by how far, you know, is obviously up for a debate. Let's make a note that we need to do a sketch or something. and Trey's best character is the conservative who is indignant. That is just that you always capture that. You don't say nothing about the goddamn see. I can't even do it.

But let's bring in, speaking of indignant characters, let's bring in the Indian outlaw. Let's get into these lyrics and let's break down this wonderful song. Here we go, adding him to the straight. Tishar, what's up, buddy. What's up. What a great lead in. Go dogs.

Arroy. Yeah. All right. Speaking of brown people. Oh, I didn't even, that's hilarious. Me either. Because you said speaking of indignant people, not speaking of insurgents. I don't even know no goddamn insurgents.

Shout out Kat Williams. Buddy, first of all, how excited are you to do another Dennis Lindy song? I love the fact that he is doing a women empowerment song. I thought the women wrote this. And I was like, yeah. Well, he wrote it. And a group of all men recorded it before the chicks did. And it didn't hit?

No pun intended. Something happened and they didn't get it out. Then the epic, so in those situations, epic, the record label owns the song. This group records the album. They were called The Sons of the Desert. And there's some kind of conflict. They don't put the album out, any part of it. And then in the meantime, by the time they get their shit together or figure out whatever issue they're having,

the chicks see it asked if they could have it and Epic's like fine the Sons of the Desert left their label over that they were so mad I'm only saying that to say this was supposed to be a song apparently performed by man too

oh shit that's hilarious like an acapella I love the video I remember I mean as I the reason I'm on I guess on this podcast is where I'm not that familiar with 90s country but this song I remember just the pop

la la la la la la la like it's such a catchy tune and at the time I remember I had no idea what they were talking about but to see the video now with adult eyes is like holy shit that's wild that's funny to think about that this was like just on in the background

your life and you remember the tune and you're like damn that was about murdering your abusive husband well let's get into the lyrics then Mary Ann and Wanda were the best of friends all through their high school days. Both members of the 4-H club, both active and FFA. After graduation, Marianne went out looking for a bright new world.

Wanda looked all around this town and all she found was Earl. I mean, who among us don't know both them stories? Yeah, 100%. A lot of Earls out there. Just hanging around. A lot of Wanda's just stuck here and all I could find was Earl. Well, it wasn't two weeks after she got married that Wanda started getting abused. She'd put on dark glasses or long-sleeved blouses or makeup to cover a bruise.

Well, she finally got the nerve to file for divorce and she had let the law take it from there. But Earl walked right through that restraining order and put her in intensive care. I mean, now we're kind of critiquing the American justice system and how little we can or will do for the victims. of domestic violence. I mean, we're in it, boys. Yeah, man. I mean, that's hard. It's a, it's a conversation that, like, is being had more nowadays, I guess, just because with social media, people or people have bigger platforms to come forward on certain things. But it's a conversation that, like, my sister actually had with me a long time ago that

is, like, the reason I'm, I'm like, I went, oh, oh, wow, I didn't even think about it that way. Like, yeah, what's the point of coming forward? Because, like, they were, they were always going to get away with it. And now you've made it. them mad. They're even more mad. They're not going to jail. They're just going to come home and beat the shit out of you again. When I heard this lyric, I obviously was

the fact that there's a restraining order that's a positive thing because there's action that could take. I know people, not to make this about India, but there are people, you know, the abuse thing happens around the world, but I know people

in my family who have been married off into like a girl's been married off into another family. And the abuse comes not only from the husband, but now that the family kind of owns her in some kind of way, because now she lives with them, like the joint family situation, she gets abused by the mother-in-law. Damn.

So like there's no, there's no, there's, how do you get out of that, you know, where your in-laws are being the ones who are making you do stuff, abusing you? So I was always like proud of America to be like, God, this is progressive. she filed her thing and she still you know she still got beat up but what are you going to do it's funny it's like about some papals over here hearing that be like you made to tell me in

india they're still own people yeah yeah I'd be misjudging india this old time and beat them as a family that's funny to juxtaposed that against something that was going through my brain where I was like man I mean I hate it sometimes but we ain't that bad Lord God no dude I I think that all the time when these other goddamn countries get brought up, you know. Yeah, I focus too much on Sweden. I need to be looking into India. That's right, buddy. A lot of them don't know it.

Yeah. I don't care what other people have you believe. Stop looking at Norway, God damn. These Scandinavian countries who have it all, you know, they have 80 people so they can manage them pretty well. Well, I will say this, though. One of my things is that, a lot of people would be like, oh, yeah, it's easy over there.

They own the oil. And I'm like, yeah, exactly. Let's fucking own the oil, but let's not get into that. All right. Right away, Marriottake, other countries don't hit. Some of them. Some of them don't hit. A lot of them don't hit, matter of fact.

Dude, I would say most countries don't hit. I guarantee you statistically speaking, most of the people don't hit. No. I would like to put a pen in this, but let's go through all the countries one day and just rank them hit or don't hit. And I guarantee you it's mostly don't hit. hit. It's going to be real problematic when like all of the whitest countries

in the world. We're like, no, that one hits. Yeah. We're definitely going to have to... In Germany, Western Europe, like, yeah, all them hit. There's definitely by a continent. Yeah, there's at least two we're going to have to pretend hit for sure. You don't hit. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't know if we should do that. No, I didn't mean like on the podcast. I just meant like when we're hanging out. Oh, private. Yeah. John Gruden style. Yeah, John Gruden style. Not in email like on Snapchat. Well, of course, the episode dedicated to the chicks, the seminal, most progressive female-led band in all of the history of country music,

and we're just like, yeah, let's go full Gruden. Well, listen, here's the thing. A lot of them countries that we might say don't hit, they only don't hit because them countries that we might say do hit have raped and oppressed them for generations. Throw women off buildings. Yeah, that's how that works. Well, and I don't know about India, but in a lot of places, we put the government in that is okay with you throwing women off buildings.

We purposely put them in power. Yeah, I don't know that we hit. We don't know. See? There you go. There we go. Right away, Marianne flew in from Atlanta on a red eye midnight flight. She held Wanda's hand and they worked out a plan and it didn't take them long to decide. That Earl had to die.

Goodbye, Earl. Those black-eyed peas, they taste it all right to me, Earl. You're feeling weak? Why don't you lay down and sleep, Earl? Ain't it dark wrapped up in that tarp, Earl? Now, that's the first hook, which what a hook it is. And I can't imagine anybody listening right now isn't at least vaguely familiar with that song. It was a huge hit. You listening to a 90s country podcast. But I cannot stress enough how the upbeat tempo and excitement with which she, it's Natalie, right?

That's the singer's name. Natalie Mains. That Natalie Mains delivers this, like an angel. Really, I mean, it's like, Tushar, you were saying, you heard this in the background as a kid. It sounds very happy. Yeah. Yeah. It sounds like a back to school summer.

Woo. Yeah. A lot of times with a lot of songs, like that pumped up kick song or whatever, it's like musically ironic or something. I don't know what I'm trying to say. The juxtonosition. Third-eye blind does it a lot too. Who? Third-eye blind, they'd be doing that shit.

Yes, third-eye blind's a good example. Hey, y'all is also like that. That sounds brutally depressing if you actually listen to it. I feel like this song, though, it's actually kind of thematically appropriate in a way. Because it's like, it's a celebration.

It's supposed to be celebratory that this motherfucker got what was coming to him or whatever. Whereas a lot of those other songs that are like, upbeat but about really fucked up subject matter if you listen to it like I said are kind of intended to be ironic I feel like it's sort of very purposeful with this song that you have that

juxtaposition going on I agree and I think as a song plays out that develops more but certainly in the beginning you know I obviously I cannot remember the first time I heard this song and I'm sure like Tushar the first time I heard it

I didn't really register but if you're hearing it for the first time and it's upbeat and you're hearing intensive care. You know, she went and she's going to her bedside in the hospital. I mean, it's a long verse. I guess it's really a couple verses with no chorus in the middle. But Dennis has really set up this whole scene. And in the video, she is like they really, she's fucked up.

You know what I mean? Like they definitely went for it. It wasn't like, oh, she had some scrapes. Like she had the, like it looks like she had been, you know, Christy Macked. as it were. Yeah, the makeup was... What? Just, that's a

hell of murder choice. I couldn't remember the dude that did it to her and I didn't want to make the mistake of accusing someone who didn't do a thing, but I mean, obviously I remember her. Wasn't his name something like you would expect it to... War machine or something was a weapon.

Literally war machine. I thought that was true, but like I didn't want to do the thing where I said that and it was like, no, that dude's fucking awesome. He would never do that. but like obviously I remember Christy Mac because she was on my fucking Mount Rushmore. There was a dude in New York a comedian who called himself Fuck Machine

who got accused the rape and everybody was like, I mean, you know, he did this shit. Yeah. All right, should we move on with the lyrics? Or do you want to talk about where we're at in the song a little bit more? I just want to say that Earl deserved this shit.

I mean, that's another thing that they set up that Dennis and the chicks in the writing and performance have set up perfectly. in my opinion. Yeah, for sure. I mean, if you're defending this guy, again, especially, like, first off, intensive care,

they don't just put people in there for like, oh, she's actually fine, but we'll just put her in there. You see the video, you hear the word intensive care. I mean, if you're defending this guy, you suck or you're also an earl. Yeah. They usually also didn't mention any sexual abuse,

not to point out some details, but it's like, there must have been some of that. Yeah. I don't think you can say that. As a songwriter, you sure, you definitely can't. Yeah. It wouldn't be able to make it upbeat if you were going to mention that. Right, right, right.

Because that's kind of alluded to in Independence Day. The other song, The Dixie Dix, who I bet they're horrible to hang out with, reference. So in the Independence Day, there is some sexual abuse going on, and it is a much more somber song. Yeah, but in part because she also kills herself in the process. Yeah. you know, like, I don't know, it is much more somber,

so I don't know if we ever cover it because it's not as a bait and shit. I remember thinking that song was like pretty gangster. And it's not that it's not, I guess, but yeah, the fact that she takes herself out with him definitely puts a damper on the whole, right, on the old gangster proceedings where that song is concerned. I fucking love that song, though. Martina sure do belt it out anyway. But, hey, my God.

Can't nobody Nobody really beltered them out quite like Martina and her run. I agree. 100% right. And she looked somehow tiny. I don't even know if she was, but it just seemed like her eyes, man.

Her and Cal Ripkin had like the same eyes. I know that's a weird thing to say. Young Joe, just getting lost in both Martina McBride and also Cow Ripkin Jr's. Eyes. Sports. Sports and country music, man.

That's my shit. They were both hitting in the 90s. That's so hard. The cops came by to bring Earl in. They searched the house high and low. Then they tipped their hats and said, thank you, ladies. If you hear from us, let us know.

Well, the weeks went by, and spring turned to summer, and summer faded into the fall. And it turns out he was a missing person who nobody missed at all. Now, before I move on, I want to point some stuff out here. It seems to me,

and obviously you can only do so much in a pop country song that the cops have come by after she's gotten out of the hospital, like they're coming by kind of late. Maybe she was so fucked up, they couldn't arrest him because they couldn't prove he did it until she woke up and was able to tell them. Yeah. You see what I'm getting at?

The cops are looking for this man as a culprit, it seems like, but late in the game. Yeah. Now, I guess you're right. I mean, because, Well, now I'm thinking like, how does she even get to the goddamn hospital? Who called the ambulance? Yeah, who called the ambulance?

Or was her friend, her friend wasn't there yet. No, she food from Atlanta when she heard about it. Yeah, because if Earl beats the shit over like this, it's not like he's going to, I mean, does he just drive over and drop her off and drive off and then she wakes? You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't really know how she got there, honestly. The other possibility is that he gets arrested. there's some sort of slap on the wrist. He's now under,

he's got, like he's on, what am I trying to say? He's got court and he doesn't show up to court. So the cops come looking for him on a warrant for a failure to appear. Right. And then find that he is missing. Yeah, I mean, that's the only thing that makes sense to me because. So this part reminds me of, there's a famous, like, true crime case. It's been made into a couple different movies and stuff.

Me and somewhat ironically, our buddy Earl Brown have talked about this a lot because he had some involvement with some version of the story. I can't remember the details of that. But anyway, in 1981, in a small town of Missouri called Skidmore, a dude by the name of Ken Rex McElroy, oh, Ken Rex, got shot to death in broad daylight

in the town square. and there were over 45 witnesses to the killing and no one has ever been arrested or charged for it. Because Ken Rex was a real piece of shit. Yeah. And I've always kind of just appreciated that story because I just feel like, you know, sometimes that's how things are be. I'm sorry. Yeah. That's that Texas justice.

Sometimes some people need to die. You know what I mean? Yeah. You know, just. But anyway, that's the last. This last verse of Goodbye Earl makes me think of that song. There was a famous book called In Broad Daylight, and then Brian Denahey played the asshole in a movie called In Broad Daylight.

Brian Dennyi does it. So does his friends. Yeah, but anyway, yeah, I just thought of that. And Dennis and Dennehy used to come up simultaneously with you too. So that's funny to me that they've come up together. Yeah. Yeah. We have a way of channeling them.

Yeah. So the girls bought some land and a roadside stand out on Highway 109. They sell Tennessee ham and strawberry jam And they don't lose any sleep at night Because Earl had to die Goodbye Earl We need a break Let's go out to the lake Earl

We'll pack a lunch and stuff you in the trunk Earl Is that all right? Good Let's go for a ride Earl Hey oh hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey My favorite part of the video Was when they say they sell Tennessee ham And they all just kind of flick their butt

At the camera That hit for me. It's a good, good part. It's definitely the showiest part of the video, for sure. Also, Dennis Franz being a zombie. That was pretty cool. Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. Too sure.

What did you think of the video? Man, I thought the video was incredible. It was shot, first of all, zero non-white people, which I think it's true. There's no white people there. They didn't try to fake it. Yeah, otherwise there would have been a suspect for the murder. For sure, yeah. That guy would have gone down for this crime without a doubt.

Did me the mechanic shot Earl. I love the, I mean, the production was almost like it started out like a sitcom. It ended like a musical. Casting, you mentioned, was like, I mean, that's like an eyeless cast for what it is. And, I mean, that scene, Corey mentioned it earlier, but that scene where, her eye, like the white part of her eye was like bloodied up and you're like, oh, they weren't fucking around in the makeup department here. It was just one of those things that made the video actually.

But the fact that how poppy, how sad the song is, like deeply dark the song is, compared to basically a dance sequence at the end is such a fascinating tool they used. It kind of feels like a Lindy staple at this point. I don't know what that is. Dennis Lindy, the guy who wrote it. It seems like he's doing that a lot. Because I would imagine when you write these songs, you also write the melody and hook.

Right, right. You play it for people, right? I guess, yeah, for sure. Definitely. I'm certain that's not always the case, but, like, I would say for sure, you, like, you write it and then make a demo tape. You do.

That's 100%. Because I know that my dad, like, my dad used to go to the Bluebird in Nashville all the time. Like, he would just drive up, and they would have songwriters night. And basically it would be dudes like Dennis. My dad's 100% seen Dennis Lindy. And these dudes that would go up that otherwise weren't performers,

but they were just showcasing the songs they'd writ, hoping that Vince Gill maybe was there and was like, hell yeah, I'm in on that one. Yeah, I mean, that's how, what song was it we were talking about? It was written in Cody Wyoming. That's how it got made. Oh, Trashy Women. That's how Trashy Women got made was exactly.

Somebody heard it in a bar. I'm going to bring Andy in. like I said, was at that concert during that tour. And she texted me something. And I want you to tell them what you were texting me. Because it definitely applies to what we were talking about. Hi, guys. Hello.

When I went to that concert, I was like 14, I think, around that. I was with my mom, my friend and her mom. And it was like pretty much all moms and daughters at the concert. And when Earl came on, it was so funny looking back on it now, because it was all these moms and daughters just like happily singing about killing a man. Yeah.

It was fun as hell. Yeah. I bet it was. They all had their own Earl in their mind. It might not have been like their husband, but it could have been like their uncle or their friends. You know, like they definitely were just like.

A couple of those earls were just like kind of lazy bags of shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, just didn't know the great. Just didn't know the. grass enough. And so they have to die. Yeah. Around the time of that movie,

oh, shit, what's that movie? With Sandra Bullock, where she's a win and they kill her, abusive husband. I don't know if I'm... Practical magic, I think. What? Practical magic. Practical magic. Is it like a... Has it got magic in it? Yeah, they're witches.

And they end up murdering this abusive ex-husband of Sandra Bullock's or one of the characters. Man, I totally miss that. Me too. I remember the craft. Isn't an abusive theme in Thelman Louise also? Oh, yeah, majorly. Yeah.

Huge. When did Lauren Lewis was like 89 or something like that? It was 10 years. But also the upbeat stuff, I would imagine Martina McBride was popular with moms and daughters, but I'd also imagine they weren't like happily belting Independence Day, even though it's quite literally about the same thing. It's just a different, you know, the music's different.

Earl, how they died? Well, in the end, she dies in Independence Day. The music is, it's just sadder. They're both dark, the subject matter is very dark, but Independence Day is more of a downer. Right.

Thank you, Andy. You're welcome. Apparently, Andy had to leave. That as much as we're going to let the women talk. She left on her own, and, you know, we got to respect that. For sure. Hey, she can do whatever she wants.

Exactly. And the ethos of like, this feels like this decade was the pre-Me-2, like Lorana Bobbitt, Dalman Louise. This song seemed to be one of the fight, like the major pieces of art in that vein. Is that, is it considered that with you guys? Yes. Yeah, I would say so.

It's definitely under that sign umbrella as those signs, yeah. Well, and also for women, my wife's age. You know what I mean? Yeah. The Dixie chicks, the chicks were huge. Huge. Yeah, this song is the reason they're all mad to me. They were successfully canceled, given how huge they are, especially with women in particular.

But again, this pretty me too. Women still were having to do whatever they got told, you know, in this version of America. So all these men got upset at these uppity broads talking about how we shouldn't be in Iraq. And everybody for whom the Dixie Chicks hit had just been like, well, I guess we don't get the Dixie Chicks, the Chicks no more. It's also, unfortunately, timing-wise, the internet had not quite become the powerhouse that it was. They needed the radio and CMT, and the radio and CMT said, fuck y'all. Yeah. I believe they probably could have bridge the gap between that time of the internet.

But they also were like, we're fucking rich. We're just going to go have kids and take some time off. And then they mounted this cool comeback. So I think it worked out. That's actually a great point. you just made because like nowadays it's almost hard to even sympathize with anyone who got canceled because it's like if you if you have fans nowadays you can you almost can't be canceled because you like we have the internet you've got ways to like get your content out there to people

on your own but like yeah this time for them if if the powers that be decide not to play their shit that's it like they're fucked they can't they literally can't get it out any other way and those powers would be country radio and stuff pretty much always has still is very much run by like a white old boys. For sure. And yeah, they had way more power. And to be clear to anybody listening who's unfamiliar with that world, we're not saying this song got them canceled.

The white old boys club kind of had to play this song, even though they tried not to it first because it was like, what are you defending a woman beater? You know, it was there speaking out against the Iraq War. They got them canceled. All right. We got any last thoughts? I know Trey's got to go pick up his children.

First, Trey, I'll let you go real quick. Give me a rating. Two and a half out of three Earnhardt's. How about that? Pretty good. Do you guys want to give you a rating? Yeah. I mean, this is, look, pretty much anything the chicks do or did.

Natalie Mains was one of my first loves. Like, I mean, this song came out when I was in fifth grade. I just found out what, you know, sexuality is this is during my sexual awakening. So for those reasons alone, almost everything they do is a three out of three, three earned hearts for me. I love this song.

I love them. It's great. The video was tremendous, three out of three. I'm going to presume that murder via beans went up because of this song of white men. I've sure been trying it. So I'm going to give it.

That's suicide via beans. Suicide by beans. That's my fourth special. That's the fourth meal of Taco Boat. White Baines. The mere fact that this song got away with, you know, positioning the murder of an abusive guy as like a civil service. Yeah.

Three out of three. That's great. Yeah, I'm three out of three. The video nailed it. The performance nailed it. And my man Lindy killed off a character from a past song. Three out of three earned hearts. And it has what white people love the most, zombies.

Yep. and Dennis Franz. I knew I shouldn't have gone first. All right, anyway. Well, I thought you were going to dip, and we were going to keep talking, because I do have a couple more questions for sure. I don't know if you're going to keep talking or not,

but I am going to dip. Everybody, stay tuned for the new truck butts. We're going to be putting out in the coming months. I'll have those on the website sometime. Bubba shot the truck butts. They should have truck. They should have truck clits. They do.

I've seen a truck pussy. Oh, okay. We can still get in there on the truck a lot. We can still plays that trail. For sure. Tishar, I have the question before we let you go. We've gotten into in the past about your, and I think the shock has worn off.

I think you were pretty surprised about how deep some of the pop country could go. I'm curious what your thoughts are, if you have any about, and you just touched on it a little bit, like the pre-Me-to stuff, Are you shocked to find the genre of country music at the forefront of the women's empowerment movement in the South? Or is that like, oh, well, yeah, that's the only outlet for it in the South.

How do you feel about that? I think that's, I mean, I think a lot of the abuse, and it's that type of abuse or that flavor abuse is specific to rural America. So, like, who else is going to speak for that? Like, it has to be country music. Because it's either that or it's lost in, especially pre-internet. It's lost in what? Dear Abby messages? Like, how else is that kind of captured?

And I guess the abuse of, like, white men just being pieces of shit. I mean, that's most art, I guess, in some ways, like, if it trickles down. But, no, it's no surprise. I mean, once again, was surprised. I didn't know that these songs, especially something like this, that was poppy, and for someone who never read lyrics before, like the show's kind of eye-opening for me.

You know, it's kind of a cool thing to observe. But no, I wasn't aware of it, but it surely makes sense. Yeah, it was lost for so long, to your point. And I do think they were ahead of their time in some ways. In some ways, they were right on time. They followed the footsteps of Shania Twain. And what country music does, or I should say what Nashville, the machine, the industry does,

is what any industry tries to do. They're very good at it in Nashville, which is capitalized on any and everything that they can. And Chenaya Twain proved to them that they could capitalize on, you know, yay, powerful women. And so the chicks were right on time in some ways, but ahead of their time in other ways, which like I said, eventually led to their canceling. Yeah. But it's cool. It's cool to see that.

I don't know what other artists. Are there some, is there some, you know how immortal technique for black folk are like, you know, they're the angriest and they're saying the most? Is there any artist that wasn't the level of Dixie Chicks that really hit in this, in this world of like going out? As far as women? As far as women. But I guess I'm asking what other Southern. country music artists are there who really nailed this John, this like sub kind of rage? I don't know of any at that time. And the chicks led to a

slew that I could name, probably starting with Margot Price at the top, Kelsey Walden. I mean, to a certain extent, they're responsible for Casey Musgrave's career. I mean, you're also asking me a question that gets into the nature of art to a certain extent where if you're underground, you're almost by definition, not what you're talking about. Because if your niche, it's not that you can be so easily dismissed as much as it's by definition, you're not speaking for everyone. Right. And we just probably hadn't heard of you, but not, you know, not because you're not good,

just because, like. We were eight. Yeah, right. Exactly. Like, independent shit now, again, because of the internet and stuff, like, you can be, there's never been a better time to be an independent artist because you can get your stuff out there, but, like, at that time, you had to get to the level of the Dixie Chicks before anyone would even know who you were, unless, like, you were the Dixie Chicks opening band, and you

were, like, a huge fan of them, and you just saw them, and you got the CD at the goddamn show. But, like, other than that, like, I mean, pop music was the only thing you had. And now you look at Sarah Shook and the Disarmers, who is a queer country music singer, who expresses things from that voice. Morgan Wade does the same thing. Kelsey Walden, who I mentioned, has a lot of songs about basically being poor and a woman and what that's like, what it specifically means to grow up in these poor areas, working class, et cetera, but be the woman in the house. I don't think any of those folks exist without examples like the Dixie Chicks, but none of those folks I just mentioned, unfortunately, are superstars, even though I'm a big fan of all of them. I don't know if that changes things or not.

Are there any trans-country stars? I mean, not that I know of. Stars, I can probably definitely say no, just like based on what I think the word star is. And I say that because, like, surely to God, I'd know, we'd know, right? Yeah, we would know. They're out there. I can't think, I know. There's definitely trans country singers.

I just wouldn't say stars. And I don't mean that, like, me saying, oh, they're not a star. I just mean, like, star means people know about them. you know what I mean? Like you can't just like, WWE does this thing where they call all their wrestler superstars. Anybody on the roster, they go,

he's a WWE superstar. And it's like, you can't just call somebody that. They got to be a fucking superstar. Also, if they all are. Then none of them are. Yeah.

So, I'm trying to remember for, this is probably my own stupid brain and biases. I feel like Orville Peck has done some drag. But he's not, it doesn't identify as trans. So you might be thinking, of that because Orville Peck is probably close to a superstar. But the answer to your question is no.

There are no trans country superstars. We'll definitely say it. There's probably only one black country music superstar currently. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. There have been other black country music superstars in the past. And then in terms of women, superstars, I mean, yeah, there's a few. I would say Margo Price is the closest to what we're talking about.

I'm not trying to take anything away from Miranda Lambert, but she, just as one example, is mostly singing about like, you know, you cheated on me, so I said it's fucking truck on fire. Yeah, and Carrie Underwood had that one, which was also like super poppy and upbeat,

you know, about that, you know, stabbing a dude's truck tires and shit, but, but, you know. That could be empowering,

you know? For, fuck yeah, man, I'm for that too. If he's a piece of shit, lot his goddamn truck on fire. Yeah. And also, most of us, ladies, you don't know this. Most guys, we want that. Not that we want to cheat on you, but, you know, just somebody cares enough to fuck up your truck. That's nice to know your love.

I was about to say, absolutely. Like, if I ever, if some ever did that to me, I'm like, my God, she did love me. I didn't even know you cared, babe. I was wrong. All right. Any last thoughts? Anybody? Just that, just that, I don't know what the, like, wait time's going to have to be. between episodes because we definitely, we just did a Dixie Chicks song, but I definitely want to do more Dixie Chicks songs, and there's plenty of them out there.

Yeah, well, pick one. Tell me which one you want to do, and we'll do it the next month or two. Okay, I'll go figure it out, which this gives me a great excuse to go listen to the album that got me through the first three months of living in New York, which was the best of the Dixie Chicks. Come see us.

Go to WillRod Comedy.com for tickets. We're going to be in Washington, D.C., next weekend. like the 21st of October through the 24th. It's going to be a good time. Yeah. Thanks, everybody. For sure.

Thank you. I don't expect no shit from 2005. I'll overshot the podcast and that's right.