wellRED podcast - What Does Rick Rubin Actually DO? (and more!)

Episode Date: August 5, 2025

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But her horse internet is better than my non-horse Internet. Well, maybe you need to go back to the horse internet. I can't make heads. What I think it is is that it hits for everyone but me. That's what I think. Like, I just think, you know, it sort of makes me believe in God a little. bit.

Like, I feel like I'm in town. Yeah. I think that all the time. You know I'd be thinking that. Yeah. Yeah, because me and you, like, we constantly have problems with the things that we're doing. It's like, we're doing it the way everybody else did it. And it's like, yeah, but they hit for God.

And you don't hit for God. And so, therefore, it don't work. I mean, to be fair, like, me and you both do stay going in on him and stuff. It's not like it's unprovoked. On the part of the Lord, we'd be starting shit with him all the time and stay getting smoted. No, that's the reason I think I believe in him. Because, like, if there were a God, I would not blame him for going in on me. If I was God, I wouldn't hit for me neither.

There's no way. Right. Now, I would like to think if I was God, I would like make the earth hit and no one would have any reason to say I don't hit. I'd just make it to where things hit. if I was God, you know. Yeah, but that ain't, that ain't the way of the Lord. You know what I mean? You got to be mysterious if you're going to be a God.

I don't know why. I don't know why they can't just, you know, be, keep things, you know, put things on front street, so to speak. I don't know why the Lord can't just speak with clarity about something. Like, who decided they got to be mysterious? That's the, that's the one line in the Bible that makes me the most mad, because if that line didn't exist, there would be so many better arguments to be had.

But that one line, the Lord works in mysterious ways, is the ultimate, and what are you going to do of all time? I guess their position on that would be that like, that don't mean that he is choosing to be mysterious. It means that the choices he makes are beyond our capacity to understand, which makes him mysterious. Right, but it's like... It's not him being like Rick Rubin.

God's not like Rick Rubin. He's like, I cultivate a certain mystique that is a part of my persona. You know, and obviously Rick Rubin hits for me. I'm just saying he's got a whole like fucking... He's mysterious. Fingali thing going on that he absolutely leans into. Yeah, matter of fact, like every time I see Rick Rubin, he's like sitting Indian style on a couch, you know, wearing some like just regular shorts and like...

a gray t-shirt and i always think like he seems like he'd be a comodo man you know what i mean but he's absolutely way he's not he don't wear kimono i've never i've never seen him in one i you'd think that he'd be in one all the time but i've never seen him in one drew you think rick rubin's a commodo man oh yeah well i think kimono right mono i think about the dragon okay wait there's another kimono he said commodo right he was thinking about turlets oh honestly I was like just kimonos are Asian and so are dragon so I was like wait what's the non-dragon kimono I think he would have a comodo dragon and I think he would wear a kimono but I could also see him in like slovenly ball shorts I was just I was just talking about rigru and maybe this

what you're getting at everything he says sounds so stupid I mean it sounds certifiably rockedum sometimes I think he's doing a bit yeah and then sometimes I think that if you can just pull off mystique enough. That's how we got into even talking about him in the first. We're actually talking about the Lord and how the Lord works in mysterious ways. And I was like, why is the fucking Lord got to be like Rick Rubin, you know,

have to cultivate a mystique? And then, you know. I guess it's like a weird climate to say that. Like, I think there was a time where people would be like, oh, that's cool.

Drew thinks Jews are cool and magical. And now it sounds like I'm accusing him of something. Yeah. But Rick, I want to hear some examples of done. things that Rick Rubin has said that don't hit for you. I'm not disagree because he, I also want to know

I've, he like clang, obviously he's the most, I would say the most successful music producer of all time and most eclectic and varied with the different, the array of artists he's worked with and stuff. Everybody from the Beastie Boys to like resurrecting Johnny Cash's career and all kinds of shit

all the metal rap, everything in between. But he says that he don't even know how to play any instruments or nothing. He says that he just, he claims to just sit in the studio and go like, that don't hit. You know what might hit is like if you did a little br-da-da-a-m-m-m-m-r or whatever right there. Maybe I don't know what that even is, but you know what I mean? Make something that sounds like that, see if that hits.

All right, that hits. Now you got something. It's like he says that's all he does. He just knows what hits. That's his whole job. And it's like, I don't know. And further more than that, he said that it's not that he knows what hits for other people. He says he knows what hits for himself and it turns out things that hit for him

often translate to hitting for a lot of people. Yeah, I had the opposite of that, I think. Me too. Okay. A few things. I think that we, I think Rick Rubin's definitely on the Rushmore, but I think you could do probably Quincy Jones, Dr. Dre, and then I looked it up. I had those on my own. He's in this list. And then they add Linda Perry and there's a guy named Max Martin who's supposedly probably everyone the most successful. Yeah, yeah. But Max Martin, I thought that he was like, like writing those like boy band and huge pop songs and stuff like

co-writing him and shit from Sweet. Like he hit him, I guess. Yeah. Quincey Jones co-wrote some of a thriller, I think. And I mean, Ferrell's in that league of like he produces, but he also be like contributing. Yeah, I think the clips record and another, maybe one more in Farrell's there. But you split Farrell in the, when he was with any art, anyway, it doesn't matter. What I wanted to say, I don't have a specific thing. I mean, all right, there's a thing DJ sent me this morning, but it's like an hour long.

So it's not even like I could pull it up and then find a good one. It's just that it's all esoteric nonsense. Right. And again, I'm not trying to suggest that there's no, talent there. It's just that there's nothing you can do with it. It sounds like David Lynch, here's the difference. Lynch made the movie. It's like, imagine if David Lynch said all the stuff he said, but he just sat there with the director. You'd be like, what the fuck is this guy on about? Maybe he's like a muse for people who hit, you know? That's such a funny thing because

a muse, at least in our culture is often known as like a hot woman to inspire you. It's just so funny to think of this like stinky Buddha looking dude. Yeah, but I mean, it's, That type of thing, that type of thing is, you know, it is real. I mean, my sister, for instance, I always feel like every time I hang out with her, I'm way funnier for like the next three hours and I generate a lot of crazy stuff. Even if it's not something that she just, she said, like just being around her, I sort of am like, I don't know, I can't explain it. But like with Rick Rubin, it's like, there's, like, if he had a master class of like,

here's how you be like me, I don't even know what the fuck he would say. Like, David Lynch at least would be like, here's the camera lens I use and this is the, but, but like Rick Ruben be like, here's what you do. You sit there and cross-legged on the floor. We're all slagged. And you just, it gives thumbs down or thumbs up. Wear sunglasses and nod slowly or shake your head slowly every now and then. Yeah, I know. So that's what I'm saying.

I don't really get it. But so did he like, when he did those American record, American 4 with Johnny Cash and all that, which, you know, legendary. like did he bring those songs to him? Was he the one who was like, hey, I don't know if you ever heard of nine inch nails, but they have this song called Hurt. He did do that. And you should do that.

Because you know, I mean, that's a, like, that's a thing. Yeah, right. But what he said? But then what? Don't you think there's, all these shitty, good and shitty,

we'll say it that way, execs we've met with in our brief and not that illustrious writing careers were like, what have you did this? And sometimes it'd be like, oh, shit, yeah. And sometimes it'd be like, what the fuck? And we wouldn't do it in front of them. We'd get back somewhere else and be like, what the fuck was he talking about?

Point being like, it's not that that's not worth something, but that's not anything artistic. Right. Well, I heard, yeah. I heard Ritwin talking about the Johnny Cash thing specifically. And one of the things, he did say that like, yeah, the nine inch nails introduction was like his thing. But he said that in his opinion, his greatest kind of. contribution to the Johnny Cash project was making Johnny Cash believe that he could do it. He said, because when he came in, he did not in any way think that anybody wanted to hear it,

didn't think he could pull it off. He said, and I truly believed in him, and I think that rubbed off, and I made him believe in himself, and him believing in himself is why it worked. So see, that, like, what is that? Just being like, no, you hit Johnny Cash. Like, you know. you're fucking Johnny Cash who wouldn't have told him that he hits

you know like I mean again this sounds like I'm knocking I like I respect Rick Rubin I just don't again I don't get him I don't get what's happening there he kind of takes a little bit now that is smart

but when he gets off of that when he gets off of like the specific thing he did with Johnny Cash what's your philosophy on how to create he sounds a little bit like the goop lady. Gwyneth Paltrow. He sounds a little bit like you can't deny

that Gwine McPaltrow is a great actress. I don't think. Yeah, she's good. But when she starts talking about how she sees the world and how it informs her art, everyone goes, okay, so I guess anyone can act. I don't, what the fuck was that?

I think that Rick Rubin gets away with being that way because he's ugly and an old man. But I think he's a little goopy. I think he's a little goopy around the edges and that still doesn't take away from the things he's accomplished, just like I'm not trying to take away from Gwyneth. But I don't, if I said, Gwendoz,

Paltrow kind of sounds like a dingbat. I don't think anyone would, maybe like a super feminist person would be like, you hate women. But for the most part, people would be like, even if they disagreed, they'd be like,

yeah, I get it. But if you say, Rick Ruben sounds like a dumb ass, people kind of get their hackles up because they love the Beastie boys or they love those cash records, but he does kind of sound like a dip shit. Yeah, I mean, you know,

that's and this brings back to what we were talking about what he is Rick Rubin that are you sure that don't I'm not I'm not saying I thought he'd fucking campaigning for Kamala or nothing I figured he'd be like a I don't know some kind of third party guy or something or whatever but I would not have thought that well remember that he's a Gen Xer that came from that era of fuck you I won't do what you tell me but only one band knew who they were talking to. Everyone else was literally just talking to anyone who'd listen. It's actually something I want to get into later, but we'll transition to that in a minute. He's been accused of it several times, but the most specific, do you guys know who Boots Riley is?

I do. Boots Riley's a musician and a director. He's made some incredible stuff. I really liked Virgo personally. Anyway, also I like that. What was that one Lekeith was in? was the name of that movie? Did he do sorry to bother you?

Hard for bothering you, whatever it was. Yes. It was sorry for bothering you. I love that. He has said specifically on record, he not only is like a guy who's voted for Trump, he is telling everyone in Hollywood they should while pretending not to be that guy.

And he's like saying, no, no, he's like having meetings with big people in the music business and in Hollywood and telling them this is why you got to do it. Now, that's just an accusation, but the thing about Boots Riley, that's not a thing he does regularly. Yeah, and why would you say something that public unless you could back it up? Like, that'd be a weird thing. Not that people don't do that.

He's not like a rival. He doesn't make movies. Boots hasn't made music in a long time. Yeah, but I'm not saying that I'd trust Boots Riley with my son because I've never met him. But I trust him with this personally. It also just makes sense when you think about how goopy he is. he is goopy he is goofy

right right that was actually that got brought like Aaron Rogers J.SK Jr. Yeah JFK Jr., yeah

brought up on Twitter there's a big thread going around of someone asking like hey what's the worst song of all time

and the one that's gotten the most popular is that I can't even remember the damn band or the name of the song but it's the one that's like

Alabama Arkansas God I love my mom and pop yeah That's a fine song. Yeah, it's Edward Sharp and the magnetic zeros, I believe. There you go.

I would not put that anywhere near the top of worse songs. Every lumineer song, which is in that same genre, is worse than that song. Every single lumineer song is worse than. I personally wouldn't either, but that was just used as one example, and somebody then was like, yeah, basically that whole millennial trend of stomp, hey, Starbucks music, and I do hate that shit. I mean, when it was going on, it was in the background, whatever. I've never liked it. It's Amber's favorite shit in the world. And to me, they all sound the same,

but I'm aware that I can be a papaw about certain things. I was like, well, whatever, y'all have it. But they showed the video of that band that you just mentioned doing it on Tiny Desk or whatever. Yeah, that's very viral right now. I mean, they are, you know, comically millennial, crunchy, hipster, whatever. And this woman tweeted it today and she's like, this, you know, 12, 15 years ago, you know, the Democrats were so goddamn popular that this was this was clearly,

you know, liberal-coded, whatever the fuck, she's like, but if you see these people now, they very much could be right-wing, RFK-loving, fuck the seed oils or whatever people. And like, that is true. And it started happening

before now because like, you know, Drew would keep me up to par on like some of his is, you know, the crunchy anti-vax, whatever people going on. But like, it really is true. Like, and I don't know if it was COVID or what, but like so many of those people who, if you looked at them 15 years ago, you'd be like, that's a liberal. Now you might be like, that's a homesteader that, you know,

that wants to live off the grid because they hate Democrats, Republicans, and everybody. Didn't it like, I mean, didn't it kind of start to cascade with all that? I mean, during like COVID and the aftermath of COVID, anti, the VACs thing. Because again, I used, I brought this. We talked about this before, but pre-COVID years ago, I used to say, I used to, and I'm not saying, I'm the only one. I'm sure a lot of people said this, but I used to say that, like, anti-vax stuff, I used to call that liberal climate change denial. That's what I was like, that shit ain't nothing but liberal climate. Because that used to be a liberal thing.

Absolutely. And then COVID fucking, it changed that and a horse shoot together. And a lot of it got wrapped up together. And you're right. And now it's all fucking weird. And yeah, you got people like Aaron Rogers and RFK Jr and people like that. And it's hard to know. Just so everybody knows, I was never super into those crunchy whites when they were still libtards either.

So like, you know, just make that clear. I mean, no offense. Drew, y'all are the hidden types of hippies, you know. You guys back it up. I mean, like, bullshit. There ain't nothing about me or how I live my life that is copacetic with those people other than maybe stinking and ever once in a while wanting to see my friends naked. Right.

I mean, they don't even... Yeah, I mean, I like both those things. You can look at her in that video until she's on drugs I would never touch. Yeah. I think I found meth in my town, but we'll get into that. I mean, that's basically the whole story. But just... Sand your boy, son.

Just on the ground. That's where we're at. We're back in the blue and sniffing the white. Yeah, yellow. But, uh, I have a lot. lot to say we don't have to get into it about that movement and Rick Rubin believe it or not. Go ahead. I'm hungry now.

Do you like to Rick a Rubin real quick? It's so hard. Rubens do hit. Drew, you said you found meth on the ground just real quick. Corey, my mama asked me yesterday if you're on meth. Me? Yeah. What?

I know, I know. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I know. Fixed, dog. I know. I know. It doesn't make, yeah. Well, you know, Rob Ford was fat on crack.

Like, you are, you know, you do be a show. Like, if anybody could do it. Is that it does? Like, I'm just always. Manorne on stake in Lexa Pro. And everyone thinks he's on drugs. Yeah. Yes, it is that, you know, you be manic.

That's why I told her, I was like, he's a very manic person that then just in general. But yeah, that, that's why she said you just. If people really saw a video from three years ago or something or 10, maybe we're on meth on her timeline. Yeah, but dude, I think what's funny. is like, and obviously the only time people see me is when I am on camera, duh, otherwise they wouldn't see me. And like, I'm performing. Like, once we are done, I'm back to just, you know, whatever.

Like, trust me, I leave it all on the field. Something to get there. I mean, I could see it is what I'm saying. I get what she's saying. I guess me too. But what's funny is like she's just now saying this, which makes me think I did something recently. And I'm like, I don't know specifically.

what clip or whatever she saw that made her say that. She just said, because I can get it. I didn't think meth, but I will say you posted something recently back when you had the blonde beard. Yeah. And I thought you had gone off the deep end again.

Because I had just seen you. So I was like, he changed this much in four days. Like, I think you've got to call somebody. Because you also looked heavier than you are right now. It was like, it was like, that's not good.

But meth is It's funny I wasn't heavier My beard was just bushyer So it may be like Bro, I went to the doctor today I weighed 2.26 cold son Cold

All right Hold on I want to do this Because I think it's interesting And I'm It's like a big part of why I've hated Rick Rubin In spite of the Johnny Cash tapes

And by the way This new Tyler Childers record Which he was a part of is great I love it It's fun I don't know what gopy shit He said to Tyler But it worked

but so in my world during my youth the A bit brothers were for me and many people from the South who were whatever hippie adjacent like they were a big deal and if you ever called them live back then you know what I'm talking about

it just happened upon I'm in a field at a festival it was unbelievable it was punk rock energy which many of us weren't used to because we like music that sounds like music and but it was punk rock energy with our grandparents' hymns and those you know bluegrass

chord progressions and all that and I just as a person was like yeah this is great I want this but obviously the industry saw that and was like this is really really really easy to pull off now that we've seen it

like now that we've seen it I think we can do this ad nauseum and they did Mumford and Sons the Lumineers what do you call sharp and the magnetic zeros, I think, was their name. The head and the heart. That was another one.

I don't know if y'all remember the head and the heart. So stomping and clapping became a whole thing. Enter Rick Rubin on the Abbott brothers, first or second, I think first record with a major label. And in my opinion, set all that in motion. In my opinion, took what, something that meant something to me and turned it into the lumines years culturally. Is that talent?

Yeah, dude. Billions upon billions of tickets have been sold. Mumford & Sons was probably the most popular band in the world behind like Taylor Swift and Beyonce for a few years. Stomp and clapping. Their banjo player has a tattoo of a banjo and says he hates the banjo and won't play it anymore, that he just learned how to play the banjo to stay in the band when they decided to become Stomp Clap.

It was as contrived as any movement ever. So I have this like personal thing, I think. So I'm admitting my bias here. I have this personal thing with Rubin where it's like maybe that's what you do. Like you take culture and you make it like more palatable or marketable and that is a talent. But then to call yourself an artist, that's where I think I get my hackles up. Like you are the suit. You just took the suit off.

Right. You just don't wear one. That's good. I get across from all these headstrong musicians and writers and comedians and directors and realized I'm the enemy. What if I grow a fucking beard, fart while eating granola,

and then pretend I'm one of them, then I can get him to do whatever I want without ever learning how to play an instrument. That's who I kind of, that's an extreme way to phrase it. That's kind of who I think. I've only ever heard him again, and I've just seen like,

you know, he made the podcast, rounds recently and that got turned into clips and I saw a bunch of those. That's pretty much the extent of my Rick Rubin research. But I feel like I've only ever heard him, like I said, kind of downplay his level of at least like musicianship or whatever. I'm saying you sound like, you can't call yourself an artist. I always see him being like, again, see him saying things like, look, I can't even play a musical instrument. I don't know. He's like, I just have an ear. Then how are you the producer? My point, like, what I'm saying is, think about what you just said. all I've ever seen him do

is the opposite of what I hate about suits which is them taking credit. Right. Everything we always complained about when we were in those meetings is this motherfucker don't know shit about shit. They brought us here to tell them to show... Rick Rubin pretty clearly knows shit about shit, though. I mean, objectively, I think.

I think you really do in the David brothers? To be fair. Well, I'm not saying you never fuck nothing up. Johnny Cash. Okay, so do you think, obviously they wouldn't say it the artists that have... Wait, wait, real quick, though, let me just say this to what, to Trace's, like, Snide point there. I'm not, again, I'm not trying to say that Rick Rubin didn't do these things.

I'm saying that my gripe with him is he is lauded as a producer while saying he doesn't produce things. Let's believe him. Let's believe Rick Rubin. You don't play music. You don't set at the boards. You don't mix it. You're just the guy giving notes. You just figured out that if you grew your.

beard out and let everyone see your belly and gooped it up, you could do what the studio does. So he's crunchy Calid. Which is to make this marketable slop for the dumb masses. And I've been the slop, dumb masses before. Okay. You guys, you guys take him what I'm saying like that and you're like saying I'm insulting him. No, I'm saying he's great.

No, no, no. I'm saying that he is one of the best music execs of all time masquerading as a producer. But that's what he is. Okay, don't, I, I hear what you're saying, but like, do you really, do you think obviously none of the artists that currently have an album with him would say this because that'd be shit in where you eat, but like, let's say 20 years from now, Rick Rubin's dead and Tyler Childers is doing a tell-all or whatever. Like, you really think that he would be like, yeah, he didn't do shit.

I just wanted the Rick Rubin stamp so that I could sell more. You think that's like his attitude? No, I think his attitude is like, that guy was very valid. able to have in the room he had really good ideas it kind of blows my mind that he doesn't play music but he had all those good ideas what i'm saying is some execs have good ideas some notes right studio are good but part of our problem as artists is it comes from the side of the table with the suit of the same guy who ruined our last project right does that make sense what i'm saying yeah i've never thought about rick reuben like that but that's obviously if if that's what i'm that's what i'm trying to

scream at you. I know. No, I know. I was trying to compliment you by saying, like, you've sort of pulled the veil off. And I'm like, yeah, it might be that he just, the way he look and be is just so he can sort of traverse that whole thing without looking like the guy that you're scared to tell your ideas to. And it might not have been the plan. I mean, I feel like I don't know a lot about his history with the Beastie Boys. That might have been super organic.

What I'm saying is, is you had a dude in the room who can't play music, tell him people, why don't you try this? but that's an exec. That's who does that. He had a different hat on. That's what is brilliant to me. It is brilliant to do that. I was going to say like there's no way that this guy is just allowed to keep doing these things that hit if he don't hit. And I sort of believe that.

But then I think about DJ Callet and that's 100% what I think is happening there. Yeah, but DJ Callid though, like he might he like, I don't know. he was very, I think everyone's like short bus treatment, him a little bit. I also just don't think that what he made, he made some like bangers, right? Like, you know, shit to get you hype or whatever. But like, I don't think anyone thinks that DJ Callet has put his stamp on a classic, right? I mean, you know what I'm saying? People do think that about Rick Rubin, like a bunch of albums that he helped produce

that people, I'm sure, won a ton of Grammys and shit. Like, DJ Callet's not like artistically respected. He's like, you know, he's made money and he's made like club hits. And I say made because I'm with you. I've never understood exactly what the fuck he even does. But like even whatever it is he's doing, his output is not the same type of thing at all as, as Rick Rubin's has been. I don't think.

And like I said, the way he's treated or felt about, which I think is part of what bothers me, which is petty. I know that. But I want to be very clear. I'm not saying Rick Rubin doesn't have talent. I am saying there are execs who have good ideas. is. Rick figured out, hey, or again, and maybe it was

organic, but for the sake of my argument, Rick figured out, I'm one of those people, but if I am on the side of the record label, these artists aren't going to open up to me. Whereas if I come in as the collaborator, they will. And there's nothing wrong with any of that. I, I'm

acknowledging that. I just, I don't think he's, I don't know that I think he's an artist and I kind of don't like him. All right. You heard it here. folks legendary music producer Rick Rubin does not hit for Drew you won't know what doesn't hit for anybody erectile dysfunction am I right it's more common than you think wainter problems don't hit nobody wants wainter problems it's frustrating it's emasculating it's a lot of things and uh but it's simpler to treat now than it ever has been talking about our sponsor

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You should be like the East Tennessee Charleston White, East Tennessee Cracker, Charleston White. Standard of own business. Standard owner of business professionally, I think. Yeah, Cracker Charleston White. Yeah. Ain't he a snitch? See, I'm already doing it. Fuck Charleston White.

Yeah. No, he is. He definitely is. He's got his position on that, I reckon. And I'm not an expert on the guy. He said, it's actually one of the few times he made sense. Go ahead. He said, basically he's like, you know, fuck these gangs,

fuck gang members, fuck criminals in our community and stuff like that. I'm cleaning up the streets is what I'm doing. But also he had a, he had a, he had a, like a beef with a specific dude once that like on a podcast or something this dude called in and was like, we're going to pull up on you. You know, if you don't stop talking shit, you don't get your ass whipped. And he's like, fuck you, you motherfuck. fuck, you know, and then he on camera called that dude's probation officer or parole officer or whatever and told him that he had been whatever selling drugs or crossing state lines or

whatever he was doing and got him like violated and sent back to jail and shit. So I mean, he's not a giver of fuck. I'll tell you that much. This goes to a bit I have been doing like telling people as a poet defender, snitches almost never get stitches. Like, they get out. They get to see their family at Christmas, snitch on whoever.

Not because I'm pro cop or pro snitching, but just get out because you're not going to get stitch. See, how's that guy alive? He did that on a podcast. He's right. That's crazy. I know, I know. He said, I saw a clip where he said something like,

and this I did find slightly compelling, where he said something like, they killing each other. They're killing me. to your community and you're mad at me because I talk to a cop. I'm the bad guy and that's your hero. And I thought, that's,

that's kind of unassailable there. Yeah, no, that's, no, I heard that same thing. I just put it poorly. He only shot a cop or who only shot a white man in Manhattan who worked for the

oil company or whatever. But like, this dude shot your cousin. And I told on him, and I'm the bad guy. Like, okay, that's,

I saw a lot of people, I don't remember who the dudes were that were like, testifying in the ditty thing or whatever and there were so many people online that were like these fucking snitches ain't got no loyalty and i mean maybe it's just me but i'm like i think this is different like i feel like with the pedophile shit it's different like listen i'm not the only counter i got cori is why they wait till now like you know about this for 15 years and you was cool with right i agree with that but like to me also with like kid cuddy in particular I know some other rappers and stuff was calling him

a snitch and shit for that. And it's like, but he wasn't, I'm saying, he wasn't like, they weren't part of a collaborative criminal effort and he rolled over on him to protect himself. Like he was fucking just a victim of this person. And I didn't

know that victims could be snitches, but I guess that still counts. That's just Taddle Taylor or whatever. But to me, that should be a different thing. That's not, let's just idiots online. That's probably white people with a black avatar No, there were, like, actual other rappers. I'm pretty, I don't remember who specifically, but I remember, I think maybe, or I think, maybe young thugs, maybe. I was going to say young dogs, but maybe he was now.

Old Doug probably have something different. Yeah, it may not have been young thub, but I feel like it was, but it was, it was somebody you've heard of, like tweeted, you know, fuck Kim Cuddy for snitching. All I know, only other thing I know about Charleston White, doesn't he just, like, hate women? I mean, like, isn't it? Yeah, dude, he said he's on business. He's a maniac. he's an absolute crazy person but like yeah I need to sell some tickets if you'd like write up a write me up just like a few things that I don't see it yet Trey I'm not trying to get you to do it for me

I just don't see it I'll do it I'll be I'll be uh Charlie black you were just saying the other day on text and you said it before on here that you know a beef would hit for you you like I just feel like you should try to get into the hater space a little more you know and on goodness yeah right because I'd feel like that would have hit for you you'd find that fulfilling to be a professional hiter. The problem is twofold. There's a twofold problem in there related. One is like, I'd be doing

that. I'm just not famous. I've been, I've been shitting on Andrew Shultz. Theo Lesso, but I bring him up because Maron's getting all this. Like, sometimes I see a bit like what Maron did and I'm like I'd be doing that. But no one wants to get any credits. Well, yeah, because

I'm not famous. But here's the other problem and this is why, one of the reasons, one of the many reasons I'm not famous is like yeah, I'd be doing it on our podcast or on Gravy Baby, which has a 10th of the listenership of this already smallish podcast, no offense. Like I don't be looking at my phone and being like, hey, everybody, I got something to share about Andrew Shultz today because I'm like, I honestly think that's 90s.

Do you know what I mean by 90s? Yeah. Gay. But the way we used to say it. Yeah, that. That was a good part. The way we used to say the word, like, it's just like, what are you doing? You're 40.

Why are you talking about what a podcaster did? Yeah. I'll hear you. I'll do it. Good idea. Anybody that's 40 years old and just talk shit into their phone, especially in their car, is a huge fucking tool loser,

asshole. Yeah, but you ain't doing it like Michael Rap, before be doing it, dude. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

I think that's the thing. Although, I'm not saying. Even in the government, sometimes I start to do that. And I'm like, what am I doing, dude? like,

they're murdering babies. Like, they're going to deport a senator. We got to shoot people or, like, Laylo, you're going to get killed, Trey. It is fucking violence o'clock, dude. Yeah, or, yeah, I feel the same way. I'm like, we're either going to get killed or it just falls on deaf ears. So, you know, it's pretty, it's pretty bleak out there, you know, in the world. What's, so I saw the thing.

No, no, no, don't change topics. Trey, tell me more about what I should do. Oh, no, I just, it's just always funny to me. Tell me more about what he goes and how I might translate that to be in the East Tennessee version. I really, I just, he just does not give a fuck and will go in on anybody, any subject, anything, anytime, anywhere, to a day face if they're present. And I just, seeing you do that would hit for me. I just don't want to be on the receiving end of it. places to do that.

I talk shit to John Chris face all the time and it just means I don't ever get invited to do anything with those people. Right. Like they see that and unlike the black community apparently they're not like this is good content. They're like,

that guy is going to kill well. When Mike Racine did that podcast and fucking said the shit about Hank Williams and you commented on it calling him a stupid wop or whatever. He was probably a lot of a hit for Mike. Yeah, right.

Yeah, I know. But it very much hit for me. Cracked me up. I think it kind of hit for me. I'm sure he just fine. I'm sure it. On his podcast saying it, the joke was funny if it made sense, saying it's so funny that Hank Williams,

senior died of an overdose and drinking himself to death and pills when he makes music like jumbaya. And it's like, you picked the only goofy song he has, though. You're displaying your Italian-wop ignorance. I think I said it's fine for you guys to say this to your dozens of fans from your basement. But for the millions of us who know what Hank William Sr. is done, he fucking, he did pills and he beat his wife.

And he sang about it. And, like, that's... He was a hero. To some power. How dare you disparage the name of a wife-beaten pillhead, you son of a bitch? He tried to elevate the name. He was trying to be like, this guy wasn't a sad sack of shit. I'm like, that's literally what he's known for.

I mean, one of the points I made was he invented sad sack of shit country songs along with George Jones. Maybe not invented, but they made them famous. George Jones and Hank William Singer are why we have the stereotype of sad country song crying in your beer. Literally, there's a tear in my beer because I'm crying for you, dear. You are on my lonely mind is a Hank William Senior bar. Oh, yeah. Crying on your beer. That's him.

He's the crying in your beer guy. And you all want to sit around with your fucking gold chains? You're right, dude. This feels good. See? Yeah. Yeah. Although.

Yeah. Also, why was Frank Sinatra considered a badass when he's up there wearing a suit doing doo-wop shit? How about that one for them motherfuckers? You know what I mean? Oh, because he drank whiskey. Okay, cool. We ran it from the car.

He also, didn't he like big women and stuff? Oh, you love it. That goes a long way. Dude, they all beat women back then. You know, best James Bond ever do at, Sean Connery. Not only did he beat women, he bragged about it to Barbara Walters in the 90s. Oh, sure. I haven't changed my mind on that one a bit.

You've got to give them a good slop sometimes. What's more, I don't know, like in the slur game, what's more offensive, Wop or Gennie? I would think it would be Wob. I definitely changed it from Guinea to Wap, but so that's probably a point to you. The only reason. You know what? Let me punch this up a little bit. Well, I don't even really know what Gennie means, but I know that WOP, like, WAP means without papers,

which is why they called them that, and that seems pretty offensive. I think that none of this is offensive anymore because they are not in any way systemically racing again. Right. Oppressed. Are they also Daegos? Daegos, Waps, Gennys. How do they have all them? Grease balls? Have you seen them?

Have you seen them, Trey? Yeah. But it just comes out of me. You got three of New York. In New York's the king of talking shit, son. Now, granted, most of those people are mixed. Mix. That's it, right?

Just Mick. Yeah, because we hit. We didn't need three. Yeah. The only thing I know is Mick and Patty, and that's why the police cars were called the Patty wagon because you put the mix in the back of it. In case it's not clear,

people are wondering, I really do hate Italian people, but it is from being petty. I hate anyone tan. I have a great joke I've been doing it. about it. I hate anyone, Thand. They got around the only thing that's bad about being white in America. Yeah, it sucks. Skin cancer. Like, I sort of hate Cooley a little bit sometimes when I see him, because he's just, I'm like, why you got that? And I don't, you know, he's just like Southern, but he's dark and he hits. You used to lay in the tan in bed. Why'd you stop that?

It hurts. Because he's getting skin cancer, dude. I had a mole taken off of my, which it ended up not being cancer, but after that I was like, hey, you know what? Probably not. Probably not the cancer I need to get. Speaking of slurs. Yeah. Let's get into this. The favorite one.

Go. All right. Yeah. I got a list. He just pulls it out to scroll. It falls on the floor, rolls out the door. You know, now that woke's dead or whatever. Yeah, we can say it. Well, no, I'm out here.

People are saying it. Like, I'm out in the, in the comedy scene. And even Shane Gillis, the king. Wait, they're saying what? Everything with the N-word. Oh, right. I was about to say, come on now. I've heard tell.

I've heard tell of that one coming. Man. But see, that one, people, you get your ass whipped over that one. Like, the reason they, them dudes, those fucking Austin Edslord dudes, that going to bring that one back is because they'll get tuned up in the fucking parking lot by, you know. or a couple pie-pitting brus or whatever. Exactly.

So let me run this by you. You happen upon someone who does say it. And they're not racist or they claim not to be. It's more of like a, I guess the same reason the Austin comics say, retort every other joke now. It's like, I don't care. Hard arm? Yeah.

What do you do with that? What's the context? Like, are they quoting Tarantino, they telling a joke, or are they just saying, man look look at that line there's a whole bunch of you know like what's a what's a maybe both of the last two i mean i don't know here's the here's the go ahead i wouldn't know what again it would the context would have a lot to do with it but like i think at first i would just be stunned like i mean i've heard there's some people in chicamauga that be saying it but i knew going in this person over here will probably say this and i'm just not going to be near

And why do they say, like, I don't know if you ever thought about it, but are they racist? A black person showed up, I assume. We're talking about a chickamogging. Like, they normally are just telling jokes. And, like, you know, a lot of them will be like, I'm not racist because the guy who I underpay is black, you know, or whatever. But like, they just think it's funny. Yeah. And that's my thing, too, is like, I actually think that they benefit the most from you not being able to say that word in public.

because that's the only way the word hits when you hear it is if you can't if you're not supposed to say it you know what I mean 100% agree to that point about the R word Gillis very publicly recently was like hey we don't all have to say it like he and his point was kind of like we're kind of ruining it every I'm in Austin every comics using it he's doing but I've been thinking a lot about it man just stay with me

almost not quite it's almost worse when they're not racist Because a racist, you're going, why is this dude not worried about that word? And it's like, because he dislikes black people. Right. Yeah, he don't care. So like, why would he care? Whereas this person's going, no, no, I don't have that in my heart. But I still don't care if I'm like scaring black kids or whatever.

Do you know what I mean? Like that if I'm making the community feel unsc, does that make sense? Yeah. And it's also, it's like how. Is he trying to get a GoFundMe going potentially on the internet? Because people will pay upwards of $800,000 for calling kids the N-word. It could be that. I hadn't thought about the monetary aspects of it.

I mean, dude, in Austin, that's definitely part of what's going on. As people think this is an angle to, like, get on TV or to get a following or whatever. And again, they're not throwing the N-word around down there, but it's coming. I mean, we are three Kill Tony Netflix specials away from that being an opening joke. I saw a clip an Instagram reel yesterday of a white dude. It was soft A, not hard R. But what different? Yeah.

Yeah. This is the one I sent you? Yeah, I wasn't going to say that because I didn't want to put you on front street or whatever. But yes, Corey sent me a reel yesterday. He's watching a little big book. Yeah, but it's not, there's a kid, there's like a 10-year-old kid who was like this and a godly woman or whatever. and it's like, you know, what the fuck are you talking about,

you little dip shit? But like all that guy says is this, you know, and they says it with a soft A and it's got tons of views and stuff and it's all over the place. So I'm saying, I think you're right. Like, like,

is racist at all necessarily. No, he was just hitting, you know. And it did hit. He thinks it's hits. Okay, so my thing with that is like, the kid was also, importantly, the kid he was, saying that about was a white kid

if we didn't say that because that's an important context. Who was not hitting? Low, the white kid was not hitting. It strikes me as the obvious conclusion of this sort of performative masculinity

that has come out of the Rogan sphere of like what it means to be a man is to wear like tactical underwear and have a bow on you at all times. Because it's like I'll do whatever I want. I'll see.

say whatever I want. And it's like, sure. Why did you want to say that, though? That's, how's your life improved? It will. And also, like, how are you making people feel? Well, I don't care. Well, then that's not mainly.

Like, maybe I'm being corny or dad, but I don't think so. Like, to me, it's like, that's the weakest shit I could think of is to say, I have no responsibility to the people around me. Like, how did we, I don't know, maybe I'm trying to make a mountain out of Moheels here, but, like, how do we get to a point? where the idea of being a man is not helping the people around you. That that's massive.

Right. That used to be it. I mean, that used to be it. Like in TV shows and in movies, like the mark of a good man was someone who thought about everyone except for himself. Like it was the person that was like, duty needs to be done.

I got to take care of these people. If they don't eat, I don't eat. Like helping people with their tired. And now it's like the definition of a man is, I only look out for me. And, like, maybe my two kids or whatever. Yeah, but they barely even do that.

But, yeah, like, I don't understand that either. And, like, they claim, like, all those, they claim, like, we need to go back to the 50s and 60s when men were men. And I'm like, man, I don't know how I actually was back then. But in all the movies that were made back then and how it's depicted, those men were nice guys who wanted to help their community. And, like, that was every character, Jimmy Stewart. Only the white ones. Maybe that's like a part of course. Of course. But like Jimmy Stewart's and those types, they were presented like the hero was a guy who wanted to help and a guy who like didn't give a shit if anything happened good for him.

It wasn't about him. It was like when you're a man, you think about everybody else, you know, and I think that's good. Yeah. I just realized we had a version of this conversation probably three years ago or so where I said, where I, we weren't talking about the N-word, but where I said some version of this of like, if my text with you guys come out, there's going to be a lot of fans very disappointed in me. But my argument has always been, I don't actually think it's hypocritical to be that way

because I didn't stop saying that word out of fear. I stopped saying like whatever word, retard. I definitely have texted that in the last two hours probably. Right. Yeah. So like, but it's like I stopped doing that out of respect. Because I found out people were like, hey, you know that really hurts people.

And I was like, all right, well, I don't want to do that. But I realized that most of these people stopped doing it out of fear. That's what's crazy to me about all this. It's like they stopped saying these words because they were afraid. And that's, I don't know why. Maybe I'm naive. That blew my mind. Like every time I have that realization, it kind of blows my mind.

And then they see what happens. Then they see what happens to Morgan Wall. And then they see the dude that gets fired from his company that gets $800,000 on GoFundMe. and now they're not scared anymore, and they never had the respect, and the only thing was the fear, and now the fear is gone. Yep.

I agree. The other reason, to be fair, because yes, if any of our texts ever come out, fucking game over, but the reason it would not be. Yes, thank you, exactly. The reason or it not be is that,

like, you know, I've always, context and intent is impure. Like, I don't say that. If people tell me that it hurts people, then I don't want to do that. But we're in a group text, and you know all the people in it

and you know that it doesn't hurt anybody in there and it's not intended for anyone else. That makes it completely fucking different in my opinion. Especially when the people involved are like comedy professionals and so you know what the bar or the standard is for offense or things that are found offensive. And so it's like it's not, you know, even if they did come out, it would not be fair.

It's me preempting it in the way if it ever does happen. But it's still, it's not hypocritical and it is different. It's like those, that, that shit is private. It's intended only for the ears of people who I know are not going to be upset by it, unless we're trying to upset each other. And then that's a whole different thing, which also, yeah, which is a lot. Yeah. You know.

Yeah. And I don't take it back. You have a midget dick, Corey. But I do feel like. Fine. I do, I do feel like when you start down that path of language, I agree with everything you said. But I want to be clear, I'm not trying to justify it.

I think that the way that I act with you guys. at my age is cringe. Like, that's how I would define. It's not hateful. It's not ignorant. I'm not hurting anyone. But like, if I went back and read it, I'd be like, Jesus Christ, I am, I'm cringe.

I'm disgust. Like, what's wrong with me? I go back and it's fire. It's great. Whenever, if you forget about it for a minute and go back to revisit it, it's even harder. Past us. Yeah, right. This wasn't like me walking through this to be like, now listen.

And sometimes I slip up, but it's different. What I'm trying to say is it continually blows my mind to find out how much like fear or shame or whatever was actually making, was like holding this stuff together. Does that mean, dude, let's take it even more extreme with some of the stuff going on with Trump or the genocide in Gaza and all this. It's like there are people who are excited that he is redistricting the map in Texas and that he's that they're threatening to depressive. court of Congress. And I'm like, then you don't love freedom. Oh, shit, you never did. You always wanted fascism. I'm an idiot. I'm a bit. I've been trying to be like, can't you see this is fascism? And the whole time, it's like, they're like, yeah, and it hits. Yeah, right. Fascism is freedom if you're a fascist, you know? Like, that's what, I don't know, any other way to put

it, but like, yeah, I mean, I mean, what, this is what I was going to bring up earlier and you said don't switch topics, but now we're here is like, I saw that Trump was talking. talking about, like, not getting FEMA aid to any state or city that, like, boycotted Israel. We pulled back on that, but go ahead. Well, good. I mean, because that's such boilerplate anti-constitutional. Like, it's crazy. But I was like, I don't know of any, what state and city is boycott.

What statewide, citywide boycott of Israel is even going on? Like, is that a thing? And where can I go party with those people? You know, I'm not even sure. That's not a bad point. I know that like organizations have done it. Yeah, but they don't represent the state. Right.

I'm not saying there's not any. I bet there is a town somewhere. I'm not saying there's not any. Actually, I feel like there's one. There's one for Muslims. Anyway. What does that? Also, I'm sorry.

That's what I was about to say. What does that like a city boycotting Israel, like what does that, what would that even look like in practice? It could mean a few different things I mean look the city of Atlanta Had they boycotted Israel a long time ago Cop City would not exist Because some percentage

And I'm not read up on it enough right now Of that tech and what they're doing there The IDF trained them So like I to your point I get your point but like in that case Literally Israel was getting a contract So like just like boycotting anything Boycotting Disney not watching movies and shit

Boycotting Israel you don't you don't purchase any, you don't buy anything from them at all. Or is it just the government or Israeli companies? Is Sabra an Israeli company? Have they been boycotted because they ain't at the grocery store no more and I like their hummus?

Is that what happened to fucking... Some people mean, don't let the IDF, don't pay them to come train your cops, but some people mean every Israeli company and their argument is not because that company's necessarily to blame,

but because this is the only way to like make change is you need the people of israel to feel this to understand because dude when we boycotted south africa we stopped doing business with anyone it became illegal to do business with anyone in south africa son of a bitch Sabra is a u.s based Israeli company they're they're my local ralphs they stopped carrying their uh their hummus which was that was always my favorite hummus i didn't know they were i like that too uh but i just noticed that the other day and I was like, oh, they just, they must be out. They didn't get a shipment in, but now I'm thinking it was a much more targeted saying than

that. It wasn't just something that happened. Well, I'll be damned. Yeah. It says it's wholly owned by Pepsi, though. So. Yeah, they probably sold the Pepsi a long time ago. And they had a ton of other Pepsi shit in there. So give me my hummus back.

I don't count. It don't count. Hey, where are you going to be this weekend, boys? I'll be in Indianapolis. I'm sorry. I'll be Indianapolis this weekend. Austin, actually, next weekend. And then after that, the weekend after that, St. Louis.

Then, upstate New York, Connecticut, Virginia, and a bunch of Oklahoma City, and a bunch of other places out throughout the rest of the years ago to go to Trey Crowder.com. and check it out, come save me, make it hits. I'll be in Nashville Monday to hop on Nateland, the live Nateland show. I'll be doing eight minutes of clean comedy. Pray for me. All right.

I'll be in Denver the weekend after that at the Denver Comedy Lounge. I'm there for a wedding. It's not a headlining spot, but I am closing out the shows. And then I am in Chattanooga, Tennessee, September 5th and 6th at the World Famous Comedy. catch. See, you like having a meltdown at a Nightland Clean show or whatever on stage and going in on them all from the stage, whatever. If there was a video of that, just injected straight into my veins. That's all I'm saying. I'll be in Charlotte, Virginia, and Lexington, Kentucky soon, the 14th and 15th. It's actually, unfortunately, that weekend in Charlotte is the eight-year anniversary of the fucking Tiki Torch bullshit. Charlottesville? Charlottesville, what did I say?

You said Charlotte's the second time, at least. Charlottesville, yeah, in Virginia, it'll be like the eighth anniversary of that Tiki Taurus bullshit. So if you want to get that off your mind, come see me, Corey Ryanforcer.com for tickets. And that's also where you can find my bonus stuff site where I have another podcast called Public Domain Sleepy Time Theater. That's a lot of fun. Thank you all for listening to The Well Red Show. We love to stick around. Listen to putting on airs and gravy baby and weekly skews.

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