wellRED podcast - Why Can't Scientists Explain YAWNING? + Criticism Of Streaming Services

Episode Date: October 29, 2025

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Drew List's edition of Well Red, once again. He's running naked somewhere. I can't remember where and I also can't find the text that he sent. But I know he's absconded to parts unknown as he is want to do. Can you smell stuff from memory? What do you mean? Like, um... They say that scent is the strongest sense tied to memory.

But can you think about something that stank and you feel like you can remember that stank and it goes in you somehow? I mean, I think I can call to mind the way that things like smell sort of, you know, I could conceptualize it. But if you're asking if like I actually smell that smell or that stank when I think about it, no, I don't. Which is, I never really thought about that, but it is weird. It's like because when you think about like a song that isn't playing right now, but you know how it goes, you can kind of like play it in your head. Right. You hear the song. You can, like, hear it in your head, or you can hear a speech in your head or whatever. You can, like, picture a beach that you've been to, and you can kind of see that in your head.

You can almost picture a taste. Yeah, I don't know. Because, yes, you think about it, and it's like none of them are really fundamentally any different from the others. But it's weird to think about, like, imagining a stank in your mind. but I do feel like I can do it and you don't, just like you don't actually hear the song playing, you just hear it in your head I don't actually smell the stank.

It's a memory of the song or whatever. I saw this dude talking the other day about how we don't really remember things. We just remember remembering them like at some point. Oh God, here we go. Yeah, what does that mean? Well, he was just talking about like, number one, how like, you know,

they did multiple studies about you know, police lineups and like a witness is like true memory of a thing like they would like several places they would film like an event happening without telling people what happened and like everybody had to describe what happened and it was wild how different it the same thing happened to everybody and everybody saw it but the way they were describing it was markedly different but like they could tell that none of them were lying like no one was lying right so basically there's so many things that we have memories of

but we don't really like we remember remembering it and so that's obviously you know why you know sometimes there will be someone who's been mad at you for five years and you didn't know right because you experienced the thing and the way they experienced it was negative but to you it wasn't and so like there's no convincing you that you were the bad guy in that scenario and maybe you weren't you know but to them you're the biggest asshole that's ever lived but in your perception it's like no that's not what happened and so basically he's like when you experience something the first time, obviously, the very first time you recall it will be the strongest. Like, usually you'll tell somebody right afterwards. He's like, but every single time after that, it's like

you're playing a game of telephone with yourself. And when you remember something, you're not really remembering the thing. You're remembering every other time you've tried to remember it. And I think that's too, is why, like, stories get, you know, like, stories will enhance over the years. And it's, it's, sometimes people are lying. Like, we talked about yesterday, I won't say who it is, but like some famous podcasters are like they just be making shit up. Like that does exist. But like a lot of times when you think your buddy is a liar, he's not intentionally lying. He's just remembering it. He's remembering a fragment of the thing. And so his entire scope of that thing is pieced together from 50 other times he remembered it instead

of the actual thing, which is crazy. Yeah, brains is wild as hell. Every aspect of them. It's wild that we i mean i don't know i guess it's not wild it kind of makes sense but like we we got all these great technological advances and scientific advances and stuff but we still don't really you know really be understanding most brain things i reckon like to this you know it's not scientists don't actually understand why you have to sleep you know if you don't sleep it'll kill you but they don't really know why and it's like i know it's like well you got a rest you have recharge your batteries it's like yeah but biologically like what does that mean you know and it's like uh yeah how memory works all that show all that shit is just uh super fascinating

p holmes has a great bit about that where he's talking about explaining sleep to an alien that doesn't and he's like uh he's like what's sleep he's like you know just for eight to sometimes 12 hours i just got to shut it down, you know? And they're like, well, you know, he's explaining him where energy comes from. And he's like, well, it's food. You eat food and you have energy. And he goes, but at about 10 o'clock at night, no matter how much energy I've consumed, sometimes because of the amount of energy I've consumed, I just got a fucking, dude, they still haven't. I mean, maybe this is, maybe they have it, but like, they still kind of don't know what hiccups be, do they? No, yawning. No, yeah, I think you're right about both those things.

they don't they don't really know what that's about and it's like in yawning the fact that yawning is contagious which is fucking weird like what kind of sense does that make just like because it's like vomiting dogs will do it too right and dogs and humans can do it across species right you know a dog make a human well that's what i meant if if i yawn my dog would yawn yeah or in vice versa but it's like you know it's also a thing it's like oh don't throw up If you throw up, I'm going to start throwing up. But it's like, that's just like a visceral physical response to a gross thing. You know, you smell, puke, you see puk, and it makes you sick at your stomach and you throw up.

Yeah. If you were both tired of doing one thing, but sometimes you're not, the other person isn't tired. Oh, don't you start yawning and I'll start yawning. But like, how, what the fuck is that? I remember at one point I'd heard a thing where they were like, well, it's a sympathy yawn. Like, it's just this, it's this subconscious thing to where, like, you always want people to be and feel welcomed or whatever. So if they yawn, you'll subconsciously yawn just to let them know, like,

it's okay, me too. It is boring. But I don't, I don't give a fuck about people. I mean, I love people, but like, I don't need you to feel good about your yawn. I don't care if you yawn, but I don't know. See, like, listen, you know, and this is Google's AI overview, so God only knows. So terrible. This is the, like, list of theories that it gives.

first of all it says the exact mechanism is not fully understood but several theories have been proposed over the years and here they are one mirror neuron theory this theory suggests that mirror neurons in your brain which fire when we observe someone else performing an action may play a role in contagious yawning so when we see someone yawn our mirror neurons activate stimulating the yawn in our own bodies so but what else to mirror neurons do you know what I mean you see it's like if i see somebody jacking off i got immediately start yeah i mean right it kind of yeah you see it i'm trying to think what that would be for i was trying to hit but that really is you know it no no i know you were i know you're trying to be but i mean that is i feel like that is you just get horny out of know if you see somebody doing some horny shit you you get horny automatically i got to go the bathroom maybe evolutionarily that's like if you see somebody like looking like freaking freaked out or something's off or something and it's like that same shit activates in your brain

but that what's the difference between that and just like being scared because you see a scared person or what's the difference in that of just like if I see somebody on TV and their buddies and they're drinking a beer it'll make me want to drink a beer but it's just like I see something that hits for me and I go oh right I could do that so like it might be that you know like I see something happening nakedly and I'm like right beaten off that would hit you know so maybe but like yeah but this goes back to those like crazy triggers of like which i know this is just like alcoholism but like the things that don't trigger you

versus the things that do are like different for everybody because like i don't know if i see a drunk person that doesn't always make me want to drink even though i love alcohol sometimes it'll make me be like i'm never drinking again look at this asshole but one pluck of a steel guitar and I have the shakes like a fucking roofer you know what I mean like the weird it's like some primal siren call like any and it's not just uh I found this out too we've always said it was like country music and stuff I found that it's not just country music it's any act of redness any yeah any act of redness makes me go hell yeah let's have a beer like if I see two dudes like if I see two like if one dude uh runs from one pontoon boat does a gainer and

lands on another pontoon boat even if they're not drinking i'll be like i need a fucking beer that's a that's a that's a that's a beer moment you know celebrate something bad ass just happened let's do it it's definitely yeah any moment of redness but even then that's kind of a chicken and egg thing maybe it's like we're like i know that again we've talked before about my version of golf growing up was red but for most people golf is definitely not a redness pursuit and i've said before that was always a trigger of mine i mean it's getting back golf haven't really played golf in years but it was always one of mine like you know again being on a lake that's a P-O-A Venn diagram thing potentially it's definitely an act of redness but rich people

was kick-ass boats and shit do it too but uh being on a lake like playing cards which is both red and black right that's true uh yeah people don't drink as much as we do though right i know so that's what i'm saying but it's like So I'm trying to parse all that. But yeah, and then again, for me, golf, which most neutral observers would not call an act of redness, but it was definitely a trigger for me for sure. But anything that is red, you know, cornhole in a yard or whatever, is like going to be a trigger for that without a doubt. Speaking of golf, and look, we don't have a lot of crossover fans, but I just wanted to say rest in peace to Cody B. Frankie.

I know you didn't know him, but he was an internet golf dude who, He just joined Barstool like, I don't know, eight or nine months ago. But before that, he was an account that I followed because he was just the head pro at this place in Wisconsin, I think. And he would just give like 30 second tips every day. And he's a big old guy. I think that's a lot of the reason that he got some of the, you know, like a lot of the clicks for people being assholes. But the dude was a stick. Dude could really play golf.

I mean, he was a PGA professional of the PGA of America. Just joined Barstool. They just did their internet classic. And he passed away over the weekend. And so rest and peace to him. But the reason I bring that up is to say that, like, I don't know if you've noticed because you are the least online online person that I know. And that's a huge compliment.

I'm starting to get that way. But you said, like, nobody associates golf with redneck anymore. That's true that they don't and still don't. But, like, dude, golf's been having a pretty big moment, I'd say, for the past six, seven years. But even more so recently, it's actually. actually, I don't know if the PGA gods or everybody in golf finally realized what the people putting on Happy Gilmore's tour did in the 90s of like, hey, this sells tickets. But like, it's becoming a lot more mainstream with just regular old dudes.

And there's been this like this hashtag that's been going around like grow the game, which is like, hey, it's been so stuffy for a long time. but we need more people doing this and if you want more people to do it then the cost has to come down the stuffiness has to come down people need to be having fun so my point is there's more people now probably enjoying golf the way you're used to enjoying it than you've ever seen so might be time for you to get back yeah I mean it would hit for me there's just not any I've tried to look into like options near me where I'm at and there's nothing that's super convenient at all there's obviously out here in L.H.

Right. Yeah. Which is not fun. Like big, legit, fancy, super expensive places, which is the opposite of what I want. And if you want to find something not that, I have to drive so far. Yeah. That's not worth it. It just don't hit.

For what it's worth, whenever I'm on the road near a, if I'm on the road and I like, for a whole weekend and not just one night, if I'm on the road for a whole weekend and I, like, on the way to my hotel or driving to a restaurant back or something like that, like, if I see a top golf like I'm going to go to it I think those have helped too I was I was going to say that I'm sure they probably have I mean they've only even came into being in the past what 10 15 years and now they're pretty ubiquitous it sort of made golf a little like bowling in the sense of like yeah nobody to go to a to go to a golf course and play you feel like I don't want to be terrible but to go to top golf who gives a shit because like if you have a bad swing I'll just sit this one out and have

my nachos and like we're all just here and if you even if you don't want to do it you can just sit there and like you know get the the girls will come out there that's a that's a time it's acceptable for a man to golf with their wife i don't i would love it if amber came out with me but she just don't but i'm just saying it's a it's a fun family thing so here are the other proposed theories for the yawning thing because we only went through one uh one you kind of covered empathy hypothesis yawning may be a way of expressing empathy or understanding the emotional state of a person who is yawning when we see someone yawn we may infer they are or bored, and we may yawn ourselves as a response.

I mean, like, what even is that really? And also, to me, it's like, I definitely could see, I mean, I'm not saying I have, but I promise you, I could, like, I could see like Nick Fuentes yawn, and it would still make me yawn. Do you understand what I'm trying? Yeah, so it has nothing to do with that. With empathy. Like, I could see someone that I can't stand yawn, and it would still engender that, you know,

a mirrored response to me. Another one, again, don't really get exactly how this is. is that much different social bonding hypothesis. Contagious yawning may serve as a way of strengthening social bonds by mimicking the behavior of others we demonstrate we're paying attention and empathizing with them. Why do we only do it with yawns? Like, why don't we mimic other good behaviors of people?

Like, I don't see a dude fucking working out and just start, you know, like, I'm just going to get away from it. You know what I mean? Like, why is it just yawned? Right. Physiological hypothesis. Some studies suggest that loaning is yawning. is a physiological response to changes in your alertness or arousal?

Yeah, no shit. See, this is just, this is the problem with the Google AI thing. Right. Those are just different words for tired. Exactly. But then it says seeing someone else on may trigger a similar response in our own bodies, even if we are not actually tired,

but that doesn't, we know that that's just restating the thing that happens. It's not offering a proposed explanation for it. And finally, evolutionary hypothesis, one evolutionary theory proposed. that contagious yawning may have helped our ancestors stay alert and avoid danger if one person in a group yawned

it can signal to others that they needed to be vigilant I don't what you mean I don't know I don't get it either I don't really get any of those frankly yonned that don't mean what the fuck ever I mean Google I guess maybe the idea is that like if as a caveman

if you're yawning you are for some reason forcing your making the choice not to sleep right right and there's probably probably a reason for that because like with caveman you know what whatever whatever you get tired just lay your lay your head down on the nearest rock and sleep until you wake up and keep walking to there's more berries or whatever like you know so so if a caveman is like yawning repeatedly that means they're making the choice to not give in to the desire to sleep

presumably for some reason but you would think anybody that's any other cave people that are with them at the time would be in the exact same scenario so wouldn't need to be reminded of that by virtue of a yawn from Og the group leader or whatever

I know they didn't have nothing to but using a rock as a pillar would suck that would not I think about this all the time We can stay here as long as you won't. But this sort of stems from something I mentioned earlier about, I had sent the thread something about like the Walking Dead, like is still on or Daryl Dixon is still on.

And I was just like, man, I guess more power to him. But like I feel like after 17 years, I'd finally just be like, take me. Like this ain't good. Because to me it's like, a lot of people are like, oh, you know, as human beings, we are just evolutionary, evolutionary design to survive. And I just don't think I am because to me, I like being alive because it's comfortable and hits. If it stopped being that way, I wouldn't just want to keep doing it for some God reason of like we must, we must procure, you know, procreate. I don't think none of that stuff.

So either I would just be dead or I'm misinformed on how my evolutionary response would be to this sort of trauma. But I feel like, and it's like, well, yeah, maybe there were cavemen that felt that way, but they didn't make it. I just don't feel like I'd have made it as a caveman. Cave man, I don't know, because like you said, things are so different. We were almost different species at the time. But like, so who the hell knows? But with the zombie thing, I mean, that's what I was going to say, or any kind of apocalypse, in my head, in a real life scenario, you said 17 years in, any, anything past 18 months, or probably less, the only people you're going to have left probably are the people that

are, you know, in one fashion, exactly, one way or another is sort of built for that type of thing and all the people who feel the way you do about it and me too will have long since already perished probably. So then, you know. But then I think about like some of my buddies who I know they think that they would be like. No, most people do. Most dudes especially. I don't think that, no, me neither. I've always said that. Of all. I'm dying in the first way. And on purpose, I don't, like, I don't mean like I'm just so weak I won't make it. I mean, I wouldn't even try to make it.

That seems stupid. But most of my buddies. Well, you have to think, though, in a real life scenario, it might get better. Yeah. Exactly. In a real life scenario, when things first pop off, you're not going to know how bad is this. How widespread is this? Like, in your head, you're like, I can maybe, I can maybe escape this.

This might only last a week, hold out a week, and it'll get fixed. Like, you don't know that it's the end of the whole world and that it isn't going to, you know, get better, you know. That's true. But speaking of my friends, all of my dude bro buddies who were like, I'd, you know, I'd be the leader of this clan. But I'm like, bro, you gave up on masks after two months. You know what I mean? Like, I don't think your will to survive is as much as you think. So, like, you, if a zombie apocalypse happen, you're willing to go cut down a bunch of trees, build a fort, learn.

to gather for the first time in your life skin like not just eat meat but prepare it yourself from fucking soup to nuts right you could do all all that seems like something you've got in your back pocket but oh it's so uncomfortable on my face like what what do you mean you know what I mean like that's crazy to me yeah it's just like the major you know a huge percentage of dudes think that they could take a bear and a fight or whatever one-on-one like that type of thing It's just the exact same phenomenon at play, you know, guys, bros just think, they just think they got it like that, you know. Or if they were in an emergency or terrorists or mass shooter situation or whatever, like, it wouldn't have happened if they were there because they would have stopped it. Mark Wahlberg famously, but not just him a lot.

I mean, I used to work with a gun nut guy at my office job who like was 100% like that. Anytime he was just openly say, he would be like, you know, I wish he was. I'd have been there. Never would have went down like that if I was back. That's so insanely disrespectful because that's also assuming, like we live in such a crazy gun nut alpha male culture. So really you don't think there was one other person on that plane that was like you. Yes, there was.

Statistically, of course there was. There was a fucking marshal on that plane who's way more badass than you, and it doesn't work out like that. Like you remember Jericho, what Chris Jericho said? No, I don't know what he said about it. that he said, or maybe I do once you tell me, but I don't. I'm probably going to butcher it a little bit, but it was not long after night. I mean, it was on Twitter, so it couldn't have been right after 9-11, but it was probably

around the anniversary, and he said something to the effect of, can you imagine if one of the planes they hijacked on 9-11 was one of the W.W.E. planes, you know, a fucking, a whole plane filled with W.W.E. Superstars. Yeah. Good night, jihad. Like, we would like the, now, don't get me wrong, I do think a bunch of roided up maniacs, exclusively roided up maniacs, would definitely have a better chance than a plane full of families and stuff. But like, they still would stab you. I just, I mean, I think, I was going to say best case, but honestly, probably most likely scenario, I think he might be right in that it wouldn't have hit a tower, but best case scenario, it's a United 93 situation.

For sure. Which means they fuck enough shit up up there that it just crashes in a field or whatever. They already killed the pilots. Right. Everybody on board dies anyway, but maybe you don't take out thousands of... It is better, for sure. But yeah, I mean, they're so guaranteed they would do that. But I do, I mean, I, you know, I buy that more than Mark Wahlberg's thing.

Like a whole plane of roided, coaked out fucking monsters. Like, they're not going to... They are going to do something. It will be stupid probably and reckless, but that still will do, that will disrupt shit enough that, again, they probably just all die together in a fiery crash instead of, you know, tower number two.

Yeah, that's true. I didn't even think about it like that. Like, in my brain, it was like an all or nothing situation, but you're right, it probably wouldn't have hit the tower. It would have just, you know, taking out the Mets stadium, which would have been fine, I guess.

um dude speaking of 9-11 do you see where clay face is coming out on the 25th anniversary of 9-11 i did not but be the best 9-11 so far brother so far yes uh what i'm pretty stoked that just a total i mean obviously coincidence right yeah yeah i mean i guess it's just like that's the day would be funny to purposely choose that i mean i was thinking about that and it's like i understand we can't just not do stuff on 9-11 forever but it is the two 25th anniversary so I feel like that's going to be so like to me it's like you could have made it come out the week before or the week after and I know that it's like it's easy to say but like this movie was slated for this this movie was slated for this but it's like maybe the 12th you know well I don't know obviously but like you just said this movie's already slated for then this one's already slated for after like it could have been one of those deals where it's like because it's 25th anniversary nobody really wants September 11th like next year they don't really want that weekend as a really state. because of it being the 25th anniversary, we are going to be punching above our weight class

going against any other major release. But since somebody wants that one, it might be our best bets or throw a curveball slide in there and be the only game in town that weekend and that might make us hit harder. And it's a big... Total from my butt.

No, no, no. I mean, I'm with you. And on that note, I think this organically goes into something else that I want to mention. In case I get off on a tangent, which I would never, remind me that what I want to talk about is

Guillermo de Toros, by the way, I know how to pronounce his name, but my tongue won't let me. Just so everybody knows, I know how it said. My mouth won't do it. I want to talk about the Frankenstein release. Obviously, we've not seen the movie because it was only in theaters one day. You might have, I don't know.

It was in theaters one day, and it wasn't near Chattanooga, so I couldn't do it. But Clayface is also, like, what they're doing here is kind of what Morbius and venom and stuff is, where they're doing, whereas they did that with the Marvel stuff. It's Spider-Man villains, but without Spider-Man. It's a Spider-Man villain's movie without Spider-Man.

This is that, but Batman. Batman, I don't think is going to be in the movie. So, and I think this is, no, yeah, this is the first one that D.C.'s done like that. No, I mean, Joker. I mean, Joker. That one feels for some reason different. It is different just because Joker is his, Joker is as big as Batman, I think. So, like, Joker having his own movie is not.

It doesn't feel weird, the way it feels weird for Morbius to have his own movie or whatever. And also, it was like the Joker movie with, yeah, the way that they did it, I mean, you obviously have to do it like this, but the way that they did it, like, if that hadn't have been the Joker and they just made up a new villain, you could have done that without him having to be Batman at all, like the story of just a deranged man who won't, you know, whatever. To me, that's more of it. It's like, it was the Joker, but really that's just a Todd Phillips, Joaquin Phoenix. insane fest that we're going to

put under the IP of the Joker Clayface. Definitely, definitely, yeah. But with Clayface, like, I mean, I, not a lot of people and that's another thing. Clayface is a very Guardians of the Galaxy level Batman feeling. Like, not a lot of people know about him. Now, I do,

and I think that his backstory is well enough to be told without having to put Batman there. But I don't know if a lot of people are going to feel that way. And before we go to break, and then we'll talk about Frankenstein, I need to tell people to get pumped up for this because they i told you years ago and you can you see it in our text i've sent it to you i said if they ever make a clay face movie then there's several as you know

in every comic book hero or villain there's a multitude of origins because they reboot and whatever i said if they do clayface and they use the storyline from batman the animated series then this has the potential to be one of my favorite dc batman related things ever and that's exactly what they're doing. And the storyline in Clayface in the animated series is this dude is an actor, right, who he's, he has this face where he's not going to be a leading man.

You know what I mean? Like he's a character actor. He's sort of, he plays the heavies because for some, I don't know if you remember this, but Batman the animated series simultaneously took place in the 90s, the 40s, and the 20s somehow.

Like they would just have like a storyline that was like, this is clearly supposed to be the 20s, but it would just be the same. same Batman. And he was like a Boris Karloff type or whatever who wanted to be a leading man. So he took this serum. It's like plastic surgery or whatever, gave him a leading man's face, but then he took too much of it. He becomes Clayface, but he can shape shift into anybody, right? So that's going to be fucking rad. Not as rad, however, though, in my opinion, as this week's sponsors Zippix. Okay? If you see me in some of my internet videos and I've got a toothpick

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However, Trey, it hits. It does hit. Get you, Sean. All right. Frankenstein. What was you going to say about it? Well, you were just talking about, like, you know, what's their thought process on it coming out on 9-11 versus?

And I think you did a really good job there. But I think that one's easier to do because it's just one day, whatever. Here's where I want to try to game this out and understand the decision of Netflix on the Frankenstein. Stein thing, because I don't get it, but at the same time, I always go, well, that's why you're not an executive at Netflix. We do the same thing with coaches. Like, why would they call that play there? Well, that's Pete Carroll.

But then every now and then, though, you go, right, okay, it's true, but those people are still fallible and can be stupid, right? So. Yeah, especially football coaches and studio executives. Exactly. For sure. Two of the dumbest on earth. Neither have ever given me a shot in my life.

I was not drafted again this year. and the Titans have made such poor decisions but still won't pick me up as a third string punter which I've gone out for every year so they released I saw that Frankenstein was getting one day of a theatrical release which a lot of times Netflix don't even do that

so I was like well whatever one day you know why they do that right they do it so people be like oh no I missed it now I have to get it on Netflix it's those antiquated rules about that Oscars Oscars that qualifies them for I don't know if it's just the Oscars are just various awards.

If they have a movie that they think has any shot at actual awards, they'll put it in the minimum, at least minimum number of theaters for at least a day so that it can be eligible for those awards. Because for the first few years of Netflix making shit, they were automatically ineligible until they found that loophole, which I guess has still not been closed or addressed. So that's why they do that shit at least.

Okay. Well, that makes sense. That loophole probably just needs to go away. It definitely does. What the fuck is the point? There's no point. But there's part of me that hopes it don't because I do want movies to still get a theatrical release

and if that's the only way they do, then whatever. Like I do not want movies to go away from the theaters. But I was like, okay, I know Netflix is, that's just how Netflix rolls. And like, you know, there's so many directors that get mad. Like, Netflix won't put my movies out. And I'm like, then don't sign a deal with Netflix. That's their thing.

They're a streaming service, dude. Like, enjoy your $50 million and shut the fuck up. We all wish it was in theaters, but it ain't. Go to Amazon if you want that. They released it on October 17th, and I was like, okay, they're one day, and then it'll be they're going to put it on Netflix, so we can enjoy it during spooky season, you know, because while there is a difference between a horror movie

and a Halloween-specific movie, I mean, Frankenstein is, again, it's a horror. It doesn't have to be Halloween, but this is the spooky season, and I've been fired up for it. It's not coming to Netflix till fucking November 17th. Yeah, that makes no sense. sense to me. I mean, it had, that has to have been some kind of running over schedule situation. Sure. Because I can't make it make any other sort of sense in my mind, meaning like they fully planned for it to come out on October 17th or whatever, like not in theaters on Netflix. And then what the post-production ran over by one month or something and they just fucked themselves. Because I don't, because I'm with you. I don't know why in God's name you would make that choice. But if it's ready for theaters, you'd think you'd be ready for Netflix.

Probably part, I have no idea. There has to be spacing? Yeah, I'm going back to my butt here, because I have no idea, but I'm guessing that when you make a deal to put a thing in a movie or in a theater or a number, however many theaters, even for one day or one weekend, it's probably part of some kind of deal you make that you can't have it on a streaming service like the next day or less than a month later or something. Well, that has to be it because nothing else makes sense to me.

because, I mean, don't even wrong, because I'm a huge Del Toro fan, I will see it, I will see it the very second it comes out. If it hadn't been for it being Oscar Isaac and Del Toro, I'm not saying I wouldn't, but I wouldn't be like waiting for it because by November 7th, remember first, second, whatever, but dude, by November 17th, I am firmly in Christmas mode. Like, as far as my, if I'm watching a specific type of entertainment, obviously I watch non-holiday stuff throughout the entire year but like spooky movies has a season for me it like if I mean if we're in the summer

and Amber wants to watch one I will but like I hammer them from the beginning of October till the end and then I go on to fucking white Christmas I'm in you know the Santa Claus whatever so to me obviously we're huge del Toro fans but they're they're gonna have to be losing some eyeballs because of people just being over spooky right yeah maybe I just remembered and this is not

exactly the same thing but that and i still haven't seen this uh because i heard it was like you know real slow and shit which is not what i want for that but that nospheratu remake is very similar situation classic horror character remade by modern director now they're two very different guys edgar and del toro del toro is a lot more fun although eggers is you know whimsical wild and artsy and you know also very talented but that movie came out like in december but now what they A, it's like, it's not spooky season, but it is, it's dark and it's wintertime, it gets dark early. And people go to the movies then. It's gray, but the main thing, I think, is that traditionally December releases are for prestige award state type movies.

Summer, summertime is for tent pole blockbusters, popcorn movies. December is for, you know, things you want to win Oscars and shit. Nospherato, again, made by a master of Inducco. you know, injecting arts into farts, Mr. Eggers, right? Makes sense that they would, you know, that his movie would be slighted around there. But Del Toro, who, again, I'm a huge fan of it is awesome. He's not that type of, I mean, you know,

other than outside of shape of water. Sure, I mean, which, yeah, he did win for, yeah. Right. Del Toro, to me, oh, and by the way, for everybody that doesn't know, January is when they put out the poopy poop. Yeah, it's when, yeah, they don't trust it. Do you ever think that's a self-fulfilling? prophecy.

Maybe now. I mean, I think for a long, long time, people had no idea how any of that works. But it's people that

fuck with movies now they know that it's... Yeah, no, they don't support things. They decide this isn't going to work so they don't support it

and then so people don't even know it exists and then it fails and they're like, see, I told yourself. Yeah, and I'm talking about just putting it

out in January because I was explaining this to Amber the day. I was like, I was like, if they don't have faith in a movie or think it's going to do bad,

they put it in January because nobody goes to movies in January, and it's like, I bet if they put Iron Man out in January, people would go. You know what I mean? So, I don't know. I remember, every now and then, there'll be something that breaks. So I got very famously Taken, the first Taken

was a January release. The studio was like, I don't know. But that's a question again, if it's like, taking came out and they were like, look, this can't compete with Iron Man 1 or whatever was going out at that time in the summertime, but all that other bullshit people put out in January, this could be a

dog of that time. And then it was. their expectations and became a cultural phenomenon or whatever. So, you know, I don't know. It's interesting stuff to me and to you at least. I don't know. The members of this universe feel about it. I've always seen our job is not to always talk about things that are interesting to everybody, but to talk about things that are interesting to us in an interesting way.

Make the people interested in it. You know what I mean? Because there's plenty of people that talk about this stuff in a terribly mundane and horrible way that don't hit The Rock being one of them in his Instagram posts. What are you doing? Dude, the Rock, the Rock does this thing where,

okay, I kind of, it's sort of like when a comic just does back of the room jokes, right? The Rock will put out this Instagram post that is clearly to promote a movie, but only in the post is just filled with Hollywood jargon that only someone in the industry

would even understand remotely what the fuck he is talking about. And I only know because of shit like this, like he'll be like, you guys are going to love this new movie. I mean, it is a four quadrant film that hits all the verticals and like all this shit. And like, I'm reading it.

And even some of it, I had to learn about these words from that. And I'm like, dude, do you think fucking Bill and Sheboygan is like, Rock said it's four quadrants? So I mean, that's what. And by the way, for me at least, that obviously you want your movie to be four quadrant. you'll make more money, but nothing turns me off of any type of project when I hear someone say, this is for everyone. Like, obviously, Dead Lassow was that and I loved it, but like, hearing

that a movie is four quadrant makes me be like, okay, so I watch it on a plane, cool, you know. Yeah, 100%. I mean, well, I mean, well, you know, and they've definitely fallen off, but like, they, Marvel, like, wants all of their movies to be four quadrants. You know, like, like, in game, for example is definitely like a four quadrant movie right and it's super right but no but you didn't hear unless you were looking at kevin foggy in doing one of if you if you're if you're if you're one of those nerds that watches the fucking like the marvel days they do kind of like when apple releases new tech if you're one of those nerds that watches that maybe you care about that jargon and we'll hear that jargon but like if robert downy junior robert downy junior ain't talking like that when he's

promoting the shit you know what i mean like we we check the demographic and that's what rock will do too He's like, yeah, the 18 to 35 demographic was strong, and it's like, oh, just tell us what they, tell if it's a good movie or not, you know, whatever. Literally, why would he do that? That's wild to me. I don't know, man. It's crazy. I mean, people pointed it out, like, that he just speaks like a robot, and he do.

Well, you also, I would assume, like, that's definitely not him, right? Sure. Can't be. Can't be. So why would he hire someone, you know, it feels like he hires a whole company for social media. they have an onboarding meeting and at that you'd think it would be like

it would that sort of sound like a robot would be determined right you know what it is when he when he's pitching the movie to humans it sounds like he's making the pitch to studios to make the movie is what it reads like you know like

like you would go in and say like this is based on trusted IP who already who which already has garnered interest from these huge communities of faithful followers like that's what you would say to Netflix if you were pitching them your show but then that's how he pitches it to humans um back to del Toro interesting that you brought that up because i think it's true del Toro is in arguably artsy in the way that he makes things his own way and their big spectacles but you're right like he's artsy in a nerd type

of yeah and i've never watched like shape of water with standing which I love that movie. We've already done the podcast where and people made fun of us. So like, you like the fish fucking movie? Yes, I do. I like it a lot. She was also a fish.

But I've never really watched one of his movies and thought, oh, he's really chasing an Oscar here. You know, like they, they denominated. He made the fucking giant robots fighting kaiju monsters movie, you know? He made the Hellboy movies.

That's what I'm saying. He's like, yeah, I don't. don't know he's and crimson uh he's artistic in a like in the way that a great like comic book maker or writer is artistic you know what i mean which is like i said he makes like and i think it's high art he injects some artistry into like nerd shit he's fun shit cool looking shit the type of stuff that like people that jerk off over you know parisian new wave cinema or whatever like very much look down upon but that a lot of people and 14 year olds especially are like That's fucking cool as fuck.

Right. 14 year olds and me. So, yeah, you know. Yeah, I mean, that's why I just love him so much because, again, like, he takes what he does seriously and he's not going after low hanging fruit, but like he just seems like a fun guy who understands that like this is supposed to be fun. Like, dude, Eggers is great. And there's been so many Oscar winners that were great. But a big thing amongst a tremendous amount of best picture Oscars is like, I watched him and go, that's a good. great movie dot dot dot that i'll never watch again right whereas del toros are endlessly rewatchable

and fun to watch you know yeah at a certain point it's like what is you know what is a movie really supposed to be for you know yeah like which of those things right i mean that's kind of like the argument it's like but then i mean something like for i know what you made like for me the lighthouse was like that like eggers movie it's like i did enjoy It's like, I really appreciate the artistry of this. I really don't have any interest in ever watching it again, I don't think. And then there's things like fucking Schindler's List and Requiem for a Dream or whatever, where you're like, this is brilliantly done.

I refuse to ever watch this again because it's so hard to watch, but that's part of the point. And that's like... You need those. Like, Zone of Interest, like, I don't want to sit here and say those movies are unimportant because, like, dude, Zone of Interest is... I mean, Zone of Interest is one of the most haunting movies I've ever seen and like

the point of the movie is the banality of it you know that it was like because people go nothing really happened and I'm like I hear you but like the point that's the point is like look at this normal family life amidst the chaos like this is how it was like yes these people are inherently evil but

the true evils of this world aren't sitting behind a layer rubbing a crystal ball they're just this guy with his family living next to Auschwitz that movie's super important I think it's great but again yeah I don't if I can see it again I'm not going to the people who made it. But yeah, Chandler's list, like, oh my God, bro. Like, and how could you, if you want to watch it again, you're kind of wild unless it's like I want to show my wife, she's

never seen it. And I feel like this isn't, you know, this is a, because it is a cultural touchstone, like one of the biggest ones. But like, yeah, Scorsese, though, the only movie of his that I don't want to rewatch is Killer of the Flower Moon. Have you seen silence? I bet you probably wouldn't want to rewatch that either. That's the, like the one I've never seen. And the reason is that I'm one of those movies for me. I watched it and I was like, this is a well-made movie. I did like this movie. I'm never, I'm never going to watch this again. And I feel bad

because I want so badly to be a Scorsese completionist, but I keep not watching that movie for some reason. Well, the lords involved. Yeah, there's that. But Scorsese is like, I don't think anyone has ever made as many re-watchable fucking movies. I was going to

say the goats, I think. Spielburn. For me and a lot of them accomplish both. Like, Tarantino's Oh, yeah. The Coen brothers. They are. Coen brothers, Tarantino, Scorsese, most of the goats, you know, do both. Like, it's like high cinema, but also it, you do rewatch them because it just also kicks

ass. So, you know, that's the, that's the hitting the shit for me, for sure. What do you think is your most rewatch movie of all time? I mean, the truth is, it's definitely something from when I was a kid because when I got older, I stopped rewatching things as much as I used to. And so, the honest. have got to answer well it it either it is either it's almost got to be Jurassic Park because when I was a kid I like I literally could from memory by heart start that movie at the beginning and

recite every word of the entire script of that movie when I was like 10 years old like because I just seen it so many times so it has to be that and if it isn't that it's like it's a comedy like dumb and dumber yeah or liar liar or Wayne's world or something like that that as a kid I just watched over and over and over again, but probably it has to be Jurassic Park. I can't imagine anything else would beat out Jurassic Park for me. Mine is either Tombstone or Blazing Saddles, and there was a time when we didn't have no cable or nothing, and I had those two DVDs. So if I watched one, I turned around and watched the other. And I would normally say like the comedy, which, dude, I think Tombstone's as funny as any goddamn movie. I mean, it's so funny.

That's the thing about those movies and those filmmakers. That's not part of it too is it's like, They're not comedies. Comedy is not the headline. That's not like why you watch them, but you watch them for the drama or intrigue or thrilling aspects or whatever, but they also are fucking hilarious. Yeah.

And that's like the best shit, you know. And this is no shade to, because you know, some movies just aren't for me, but like Lady Bird was a comedy, right? I don't actually never watch Lady Bird. I think it was poised. It was like one of those like this is a con,

you know, sometimes those calls. Well, that's the opposite end of that spectrum where it's like a ton of things that they are listed as comedies and it's like this is like mildly amusing or heartwarming or maybe it makes you smile a little bit or whatever but it isn't like funny right and like i i think that like there some tarantino movies are funnier than half the shit that's been listed as comedy in the past 20 years and like obviously he on purpose does things funny but that's not you don't think of it as like i'm going to see this new comedy jango unchanged. you know right exactly yeah and also but then they have the same with the clan mask or whatever dude i can laugh out loud hilarious it's unbelievable but like um yeah there's comedy shows like comedy sitcoms that i like i really like them and i would still go but toe-to-toes sopranos is actually funnier it's it's actually a funnier show uh because and it's not like they'd write jokes these dudes are just so ridiculous so like anything polly walnut says is just you know fucking

banger funny. I've actually been thinking about that lately. It's just where, you know, we only got 11 minutes left and it's full on inside baseball. Now, this is a, something I've been thinking about lately because I've been, you know, Slow Horses is out right now.

I've also been rewatching the old seasons. And it made me think, basically what you just said, the idea of like, character versus joke-based comedy. And I realize, like, I've lamented for a while because I've written a ton of scripts,

and I always put a lot of jokes in them because I like jokes. I do too. I've lamented for a while the fact that it's like I've gotten a distinct impression that in Hollywood today, somebody along the way decided like jokes are the lower form of that. And so like something that's like joky, they'll like look down their noses at or whatever, which still does piss me off. And it's always like, you know, more about like character-based comedy or whatever. But that don't come out on the page unless the character actor is there doing it and is good.

That too, right. So you're the only thing you can do is write it. In order for it to be character-based and funny, someone else has to bring it you know so like you know like Gary Oldman is Jackson Lamb and slow horses you know like some of the things he does

plenty of which would be funny also on the page but so many of the things he does lines he has and stuff they're not jokes they're not they wouldn't just if you've never seen the show you're just reading the script it wouldn't even necessarily read is that funny but the way he's invited that character

and the way he delivers those lines and shit is just like it just fucking kills you just makes you crack you up. So like the context of a scenario and the characters and their dynamics together and then they say a thing that on its face is not a joke or shouldn't even be funny, but it is. And it's like, I don't know, people, I say people, high-minded intellectual type people, they definitely seem to prefer that over punch lines, which again, I'm like, yeah, punch lines also hit though. They do. In a show like Slow Horses, I like it that it's this way because it makes it. Because comedy is not the headline, right?

Comedy's not the headline, and also it makes you still believe you're in this world. Right. That's why I think in a show or a movie like that. So that's why I think in a show or a movie like that, like what we're talking about, where it's like you don't call it a comedy, you don't watch it for comedy, but it also crushes. Having character-based humor only makes perfect sense, and it does work better in that scenario. But I'm talking like comedy executives and shit seem to have that opinion.

And if you're making a full-blown comedy, no, put some fucking jokes in it. If you call it that. 30 Rock's one of the funniest god damn shows ever. That shows nothing but fucking jokes and punchlines and shit. The characters are also hilarious. Sure. But there's a joke every fucking 15 seconds. Right.

And it's awesome. And everybody loved it. So it's like, it's just, there's places for both. Right. Tracy Morgan is undeniably the best person to deliver those lines and makes it funnier. But the words he says would be funny words coming out of anybody. And then you, so yeah, but like, you know, Tony Sopranic, Gandalfini might be the goat of taking something that on the page this might even seem sinister and turning it into that that's so funny the way he, but like I said, on the page, you can't sell that to someone as, you can't just go, well, they'll say it funny because you don't, you're not there when they're reading the script. They just read it unless you're going to write in there, but the guy that we have, he will say it funny.

Well, you don't fucking know that. You got audition somebody. So you have this. You have slow horses, not build as a comedy, but is funny. And then you got the opposite. You got the bear. Right. So they're kind of trying.

I feel like they cheat the other way where it's like we don't want to be beholden to drama. We want to slip the drama in. And that way they go, wow, can you believe this comedy is so poignant and dramatic? For the record, I love the bear. But don't you feel like that's the opposite of slow. horse's comedy right yeah no it and again it's been but i don't know sometimes i think it's as simple as the bears a half hour and categories for and that just makes it a comedy and they never even intended it to actually be a comedy or whatever the fuck i don't know but yeah the bear's example everybody

uses but because it's very accurate again it's right i love the show awesome show amazing but it's not a fucking comedy the first couple episodes of the first season comedy or whatever you know it's And that's the unfair part. Exactly. That's the unfair part where, and again, I'm not mad at anybody. Something like, like English teacher or whatever is never going to be a show like The Bear, and they're actually on the same network now to think about it. But like, they shouldn't be going against each other.

They're not like attempting to do the same thing. English teacher is like a full-on comedy or whatever. I don't even know if that show's still on, but I just know it's a comedy that is funny and it's for me. Right. If we're just judging based on, What is your faith? What is the best show? I'm fine if you say the bear is better than always sunny in Philadelphia.

But if we're in the category of comedy, you can get the fuck out of here. Right. Because if you're doing comedy, we have to base it on which one is funnier. Anyone with the brain and eyeballs will tell you, well, always sunny is because they're being funny,

you know? Like, I don't know. But whatever, we're never going to get a show. But it's fine. But like I said, I love that show, love those, but yeah, you're right.

This all goes back to what you were saying about the release date. Realistically, all of this is just cheating for award season. It's just, you know, let us fit. Because you're right, it's 30 minutes, so that must be a comedy. But then now they've got, I think this show does the perfect mix. Have you watched The Chair Company yet? No, I have not. I know that you're not a fan of bug.

You like Tim Robinson. I'm not going to put you in that, but that's not your style. He's not for everybody. I get it. He seems to be for pretty much everybody. It's like, I mean, it's almost like being a cat person or something. Like, I don't even want to talk about it in public oftentimes because, like, he is, and again, I like and respect, I have no, literally the exact same way I talk about dogs. I love and respect Tim Robinson.

I get it. Whatever. It just isn't. I just prefer other things generally. Sure. And I'm basing that entirely off of, I think you should leave, which again, people love. I just can't, it just don't click with me. I don't know.

And like you said, I've always been an anti-bug fuck part. But I know, I have friends that are like also anti, not super into bug fuck shit as always call it like Tim and Eric or Eric Andre and that type of thing, but who are like, nah, but this show, though, this show is different. It fucking does it. And I've given it multiple chances. And I'm like, I don't know. I feel the same way about this as I felt about those things.

No disrespect, glad it exists. Just don't do it for me. So yeah, and I just assumed the chair company was another, is it. it not bug fuck it's like here's the thing it has where I think where you lose on I think you should leave

is that it goes everywhere and it's zany and it's you know there's not a third this has a it's to me the funniness of this show is that the entire premise should just be

one sketch but he's decided and to make this into a show and it's very conspiracy based it's very dramatize but he's being really funny the whole time and it's the the absurdity is played up so to me it's

funny because there's this guy who's trying he's as serious as a human being can be in this very ridiculous situation so the premise is he's um the very first episode he's given this presentation he's very nervous in front of his company and he goes to sit down and the chair breaks and everyone laughs at him and so he calls to complain about the chair because he can't let this go and he finds out that that number doesn't even go anywhere. And so he's trying to choke his way up to the CEO, to hold him accountable for the fact that he fell and embarrassed himself in front of this group of people. And it gets really bug fucking crazy. But to me, part of the humor is like, this shouldn't last for more

than five minutes, but here it goes. And I think, though, because it stays on subject the whole time, I think you would enjoy it. Because it doesn't ever zig and zag, It's going towards that one central thing. It just gets heightened with ridiculousness. So they didn't pay me to say that, but I love Tim Robinson. I love that show. And again,

there's not a lot of great 30-minute shows anymore, and it is one of them. And I look, God, as a dad, when there's a great 30-minute show that, like, at the end of the day, when me and Amber are trying to unwind and we can watch four of something, oh, God, I love it so much.

We've been for Halloween. I don't I don't have any kind of plan right now which means I'm probably not going to do anything I mean not do anything I will be walking around trick or treating still I think but I don't think I'm going to have any kind of outfit on yeah yeah I think you look good regardless you could go as Oliver Platt to put on a suit yeah thanks Katie always generally when I've had costumes she does that yeah I'm the idea she's been so preoccupied with house decorating this year that she's kind of either forgotten about or completely neglected the costume part so I just don't have a plan but I don't care like it doesn't I don't it don't bother me at all to not wear one so you know it's whatever this will hit for you so my wife also is like if if it was up to me I just wouldn't be anything because I'm an adult I'm not going to a party but now that we I have a kid and we've got Laura James they want to do a theme

and my niece has just recently gotten super into Tinkerbell so she wants to be Tinkerbell and my wife's like oh that's great Bain can be Peter Pan and so naturally I was like right on I'll be they've been planning this for like a week

and I just found out about it and I was like sweet I can be Captain Hook and they both looked at me and they're like yeah you're going to be shmee like we've already picked out this stuff so I without I didn't get no I didn't get to contribute

any of this. Instead of being the cool one, I have to be dumpy schmey. That's how it always goes. I made a video once about that about how like guys generally relationships have no agency over their Halloween costumes and it's hilarious how much they get fucked over. But anyway,

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