We're All Insane - Finding Out My Boyfriend Had a Wife

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey guys, it's me Devorah. I just dropped an all new bonus episode inside my new subscription channel, We're All Insane Plus. This week's bonus episode is called My Brain was slipping into my spine. Listen now by subscribing to We're All Insane Plus inside your Spotify or Apple Podcasts app or go to we're all insane.com. Hi, my name is Ali and I am from British Columbia, Canada. And the story that I'd like to share with you today is how an unexpected vacation situation ship with a resort worker from Mexico turned into a long-distance relationship, turned into revenge porn, death threats, and a complete career change for me. I am a coach. I host two podcasts now. And I'm a coach. I host two podcasts now. I'm excited to share my story with you.

Starting point is 00:01:00 Yes, I'm excited to hear it. This is crazy. All righty. You ready? Yes, I'm ready. Where does it begin? We are insane. Yes.

Starting point is 00:01:08 So it started in January, 2022. So my birthday is early January, exactly two weeks after Christmas, one week after New Year's. So I often travel alone for my birthday just because everybody's partied out by the time that, you know, my birthday comes around. So January 2022, I decided to. go to Mexico. So I picked just a random all-inclusive resort with the sole purpose of being by myself. It was the first sort of birthday trip that I'd gone on because it's still kind of COVID times. And my mom actually died at Christmas 2019. So it's the first one that I was going on. So I just really wanted to go all out and have a great time by myself. So that all went to plan for the first

Starting point is 00:01:57 24 hours. And then the second day, I could feel one of the resort workers trying to get my attention, sort of like in a playful, flirty way. And I was trying to be polite, but also trying to avoid him. I was in the pool bar and he was involved with the entertainment. so I assumed he was just trying to get my attention to, you know, do Zumba or salsa making or whatever. Anyway, I'm not very good at ignoring people. So, you know, I humored him and we had a little bit of a small conversation. And then the weather changed and we needed to get out of the pool. So I said my goodbye to him.

Starting point is 00:02:45 And I found somewhere else to go, the resort, which is, you know, there's not too many places that you go. at a resort that don't involve drinking. So I went to a bar and I sat as far away from everybody as I could because it just wanted to be alone. And it didn't take too long before I could sense a presence. And the guy from the pool kind of came up and was waving at me. And I was just like, okay, hi, nice to see you. And so we get into a little bit of a small conversation again. And I don't really want to have it, but I don't know what to do. It's innocent enough. You know, he's asking me if I'm here by myself.

Starting point is 00:03:28 And, you know, he makes some comments, tells me I'm beautiful. And he worked there. He worked there. Okay. And so part of me is like, this is his job. He sees a woman sitting by herself and he just needs to be friendly. Like, okay, like, thank you for being friendly, but go be friendly with somebody else. Like, I've had enough of the conversation.

Starting point is 00:03:50 Yeah. But he kept talking. and so I started to get to know a little bit about him. He had this massive Roman numeral tattoo on his arm. So I said, like, hey, tell me about your tattoo. And he had shared that it was his wedding date. So I was like, okay, good, this guy's married. He'll leave me alone.

Starting point is 00:04:08 And then he told me a sad story of how he was no longer married because his wife had cheated on him. She was an American and she cheated on him. And he was really heartbroken over that. So immediately he got me with sympathy. And so we were chatting and I shared with him that, you know, I have a number of tattoos on me that all signify something. Monumentous. Monumental, right? Monumental.

Starting point is 00:04:38 Something important. Something big in my life. Yes. And so I like to document it. So we had a nice little bonding moment and then he was off. I said, okay, you know, nice chatting, see you later, thinking, like, see you around. We don't need to talk again. He just kept popping back up.

Starting point is 00:04:57 Like everywhere I turned around, he kept popping up. So each conversation throughout the day just kept getting more and more personal. And eventually he said to me, hey, tomorrow's my day off. Would you be willing to be my date? I'm like, your date? What are you talking about? He's like, yeah, I wondered if you wanted to go. So I met him in the Mayan Riviera.

Starting point is 00:05:19 Would you be willing to go to play Adele Carmen with me where like all the shops and the restaurants are? And my inside is saying absolutely not, but my outside, polite Canadian face is saying, how do I get out of this? So I just sort of smile and say, you know, I'll think about it. I'm not planning to leave the resort, but I'll let you know. Well, he was so relentless. He just wouldn't leave me alone. he at another point sort of corners me, asks for my phone number.

Starting point is 00:05:54 And so I panic. Like, what do you do when somebody right across from you says, what's your phone number? Like, I could have given him a fake number, but I got to see the guy all week, right? So giving my phone number and I thought, well, I can just block him after the week's over. Anyway, so, you know, we have more and more interactions. As soon as he gets my phone number, he starts texting me. He's flirting with me, like this sort of sexually aggressive flirty. And I'm grossed out.

Starting point is 00:06:24 Like I'm not attracted to him at all, but also like I'm panicking. I don't know what to do. As the night progresses, we're texting more and more. He invites me to go to the evening show. He's the emcee of the show because he's the manager of the entertainers. And he's texting me throughout the show telling me how beautiful I am and how he was so scared to approach me and he couldn't wait to spend tomorrow with me. It was going to be so much fun. And so I'm kind of like this mix of like flattered, creeped out and sort of buzzed because I'm drinking.

Starting point is 00:07:04 So I just sort of went along with it. I accepted the compliments. When the show was over, I went back to my room and went to bed, was playing. need to go to bed. And he texts me, he's like, where did you go? Um, I thought maybe we could go for a walk on the beach. And it's like midnight. I'm like, absolutely not. Like, I know exactly what you want. Like, no, I'm going to bed. Anyway, so, um, I have not committed to hanging out with him tomorrow, but I've also not been super clear in saying I'm not doing it. Right. Like not full and deny him. Yeah, because I, but inside I'm like, you're not going. Anyway, so the next day, um, It's early afternoon and I haven't heard from him.

Starting point is 00:07:50 And I'm thinking, great, he's found somebody else. Like, I'm off the hook. And it's just as I think that, of course, I get a text from him saying, hey, what time are we meeting up today? I'm just like, I really didn't handle that. So then I kind of did this like pro con list in my head. And I'm like, well, you know, it might be kind of fun. He seems like a really nice guy. He shared a lot about his life.

Starting point is 00:08:14 He's got a lot of women in his life. He's got a mom, two sisters, nieces. It seems like a really nice guy. And I'm a really nice person. So maybe he's just a nice guy that's going to show me around. So I ultimately agreed to meet up with him. I thought that we would meet in Play-Dle-Carman because there was a shuttle at the resort that I would just meet him somewhere.

Starting point is 00:08:39 And when I suggested that, he said, well, hey, why don't you just meet me at my house? I'm like, what are you doing? This is how you're going to get murdered. But he convinced me that it was probably safer to meet that way because, you know, how are we going to find each other in the busy streets of Plato, Carmen? So anyway, so I get in the cab and I find the place that he's sent me. And I text him a message saying, hey, I think I'm here. Like, hurry up and come down. So he says, should I come down naked?

Starting point is 00:09:13 And I'm immediately like, like, fuck. Right. This is so gross. Like, this is exactly what you thought was going to happen. Like, why are you here? Anyway, and it's not what I wanted to happen. True. Like, I should clarify, I did not want to do anything with this guy other than...

Starting point is 00:09:32 Yeah, like you weren't going into it thinking I want to have sex with him. Absolutely not. Yeah. I really was not attracted to him at all. I was just thinking, Yolo, it's an opportunity to, go with a local. And you're by yourself. So it's like who else you're going to hang with.

Starting point is 00:09:50 Exactly. Exactly. So, and I really like tacos. So I thought it would be a good opportunity to have some authentic tacos. Anyway, so he says, should I come down naked? And I'm like, I write back, ha, ha, very funny. Hurry up and come down. Like, gross, dude.

Starting point is 00:10:06 So he comes down. He's got his clothes on, thankfully. But he says to me, I'm not ready yet. You got to come upstairs. I still have some things that I need to do. So I reluctantly go up to his place and it's actually quite a cute studio apartment. But when I look inside, there's not a lot of options in a studio apartment for where to sit. There's basically a bed that takes up the entire room.

Starting point is 00:10:33 A kitchen I could stand in or a bathroom. Of course, he's like ushering me to come sit on the bed. So I find like a little corner piece that I can sit on. and we start having, you know, small conversation and it sort of fluctuates between him just being a really nice, sweet, soft-spoken, safe guy. I would say that was probably like 80% that to like waves of like just aggressive and sexual gross. So I had packed some roadies with me because this was going to be an awkward situation. So I was drinking a beer. He was drinking, I don't know, a cooler or something. And so to deal with the awkwardness, I kind of chugged my beer and he started inching closer and closer to me.

Starting point is 00:11:32 And, you know, at some point, I was like, well, clearly this is what he wants to happen. So this is what we're doing, I guess. I was, I had been in a really short relationship with somebody prior to going on this trip. And then he just ghosted me on New Year's Eve. And so I was feeling a little bit heartbroken. I wouldn't say I was outwardly showing it. So I don't think this guy like picked up on it. But I was feeling a little bit heartbroken. This guy's coming on to me. I'm buzzed and I'm thinking, well, fuck it. I assume you've probably heard the best way to get over someone is to get under someone else. Yeah. It's not something that I really subscribe to. But I was like, well, whatever. I'm in Mexico. Who cares? I'm single. I'm an adult. Something I want to mention to just because I know that.

Starting point is 00:12:30 that people always have their ways of, you know, opinions and twisting things. But, you know, I think it's, this is just something I want to say to you and to those listening. Because I can already imagine. But, and I think it's important to share that, you know, I think it's very easy to listen to a situation like this, like up to where it is now. And think to yourself, well, why didn't she just say no? Or why did she go if she wasn't attracted to him? Or why did she start doing stuff if she wasn't into him? But at the same time, when you, you know, add all of these things together, which they're not excuses.

Starting point is 00:13:06 It's just your reality at the time. You know, it's like you're on vacation alone. Drinking's involved. You know, you're by yourself and you have somebody that's giving you attention. Yeah, maybe there are some girls that like don't really care for attention. Don't like it. But like even for me, it's like attention feels good. People like it.

Starting point is 00:13:24 It is flattering, you know. And once again, not an excuse, but I just feel like in a way for this guy. all your cards were like perfectly aligned for him. It was like you were almost like this perfect target. Yes. Like and I don't think people always realize that aspect of things because I think that, you know, listening to something and having the time to articulate what to do

Starting point is 00:13:49 and not actually being in that moment is two very different things. So I just want to point that out. I really appreciate you doing that actually because I should also stop here and say, I recognize that the first half of my story is all red flags. It's super cringy. People, everybody has an opinion and they don't think they would ever find themselves in these situations. You don't know until you're in it.

Starting point is 00:14:17 Much like you just said, this is not an excuse. We will get there eventually, but this guy was a master manipulator. I'm not a naive little girl. I make good decisions in life. this is just, this is a moment that turned into a complete nightmare. And so I know early on people really hate my story because it's like, it's, it's my fault. Like I should never have found myself in it. But here we are. So we end up hooking up, whatever. It was over just as fast as it started. It was nothing special. We then went off

Starting point is 00:14:56 and we got some tacos on fifth Ave. We laughed. We had fun. He was really easy to talk to. We learned a bit more about each other. And everything was easy. It was whatever. In that time together, somehow our age came up.

Starting point is 00:15:20 And I found out that he was nine years younger than me. And so I was immediately grossed out, but at the same time, I was like, what does it matter? I'm never going to talk to this guy again. And he approached me and I don't really identify or necessarily look what my age is. So whatever, that'll come into play later. Anyway, so we end up having a really great time together. We part ways in the evening. I go back to the hotel.

Starting point is 00:15:51 He goes back to his place. and I reflect on the time together and actually was pretty fun. And I thought, well, I didn't die. So, you know, it was fun. Then, you know, the rest of the week became a bit more exciting because I had this new friend at the resort that, of course, nobody knew about because staff and guests aren't allowed to mingle for obvious reasons. So we would have, you know, various like interactions, whether we'd run into each other or he'd

Starting point is 00:16:21 be texting me or whatever, but it was very playful and getting to know each other a little bit more, building on a friendship. I ended up going back to his place a few more times. And it was, I think after the first time, I just, I don't know if you experienced this. I know I'm not the only person, but after you are intimate with somebody and you spend some time together, you do start to find them a little bit more attractive. Absolutely. They grow one. you. They grow on you. I mean, especially if, if someone is easy to talk to and get along with, I think, and I mean, having sex with someone, I think that even if you are somebody that can just do that and move on, it does create a different type of attachment. Yeah, connection, for sure.

Starting point is 00:17:10 Yeah. And just to like, again, I'm not making excuses, but to paint the scene, he's like the manager of the entertainers. He knows how to be charming. He knows how to be fun. He knows how to be fun. and flirty and it's contagious. And I'll also say that I'm, I was very aware that I am probably not the only girl, you know, that it's, it's a plenty of opportunity. It could be a new girl every day, every week, every whatever. Right. But that, I mean, I was, this week, you was you. Yeah. And it was fun, right? So anyway, so we, we had a fun week. And, um, When it's time to say goodbye, you know, we hug goodbye. And I was surprised at how difficult it was to say goodbye.

Starting point is 00:18:01 We both kind of got a little choked up. And when I got on my bus to go to the airport, I had a little tear in my eye. And I was like, what the fuck just happened? Like I went from wanting to be left alone, not wanting to talk to this guy, to sleeping with him, to all of a sudden like. crying when you're crying. I'm like, what is wrong with you? I was like, well, you know what? What happens on vacation stays on vacation? It's going to be okay. You're a grown ass adult. You can do this. Anyway, so I fly back to Canada. I again, fully expect to never hear from this guy again. And as soon as I land, my phone blows up. He'd been texting me the whole time that I was in transit.

Starting point is 00:18:51 And, you know, essentially it was, you know, I miss you so much and so glad that we got to meet each other. You're so beautiful. I had so much fun. At the time, it felt great. It felt nice. Standing back here, it's classic love bombing. But so, um, we continue to talk a little bit.

Starting point is 00:19:15 Um, I thought we were just going to be friends because he's in Mexico and I'm in Western Canada. Like we, there's, we're nowhere near each other. And also, there's no point. Um, but we continue to talk and build a friendship and a relationship blossomed. And, um, I know what I'm about to say next is going to sound ridiculous. But next thing you know, he's calling me, babe. And the next thing you know, we're in a relationship. And so. And how long was that? A couple weeks. Like it was, it was like intense. you know, texting every day. Well, you know, once again, another thing, every single person is so different. Like, I personally am somebody that if I like you, the first time hanging out with you,

Starting point is 00:20:04 I'm all in. That's like, that's me. That's my personality. Yeah. I have friends that are like, that is insane. That is too much too soon. You need to wait months before you date somebody. So many people are different.

Starting point is 00:20:16 So like, yes, looking back, it might be like, wow, that was so fast. that was too much, that was crazy. But like, if that is the type of person you are and you are, like, you want that relationship for that, even if you don't think you do. And then it happens and it's in front of you. I'm like never somebody that's like, oh my God, it was too fast. Like there's no, to me, there's like no such thing is like too fast. I agree.

Starting point is 00:20:40 I agree. And I sort of struggle with the term love bombing because when I feel something genuinely, yeah, even if it's early. on, it really is genuine. And so I think when you are programmed as a good person, an honest person, not a naive person, but you believe others are capable of being like you, right? And so I believed him. And so, again, trust me, looking back now, it's classic, but it happened.

Starting point is 00:21:18 And so I had to talk myself into the idea of being in a long distance relationship with somebody. How would I even do this? How would I explain it to my friends? This is not my norm. This, like, I had to convince myself before I would even talk to anybody in my life about it because I knew what the objections would be. But anyway, you know, we, things got hot and heavy pretty quickly and start planning. a return trip back to Mexico a couple months later. You know, by the time we're planning the return trip to Mexico, he's telling me he would love to have a family with me. And he's telling me that, you know, all of the things that I would like to hear.

Starting point is 00:22:10 And at the time when I met him, so I was in my early 40s. And so that birthday in particular was sort of challenging for me. me because I had this moment that I didn't share with him or anybody, but I always wanted to be a mom and I hadn't until that point. And so it's like, I'm just not going to have the opportunity. And then there's this guy from Mexico of all places who's like obsessed with me and he's telling me he wants to have a baby with me. So I'm just like, well, maybe this is a sign. Maybe my mom's doing some work on the other side. Who knows? I know it's ridiculous. Anyway, so I kind of, I went with it, but also being early 40s, my clock is ticking. I don't have much time. Like, it's running out

Starting point is 00:22:59 of batteries. So we plan a trip back pretty quickly. I'll sort of like skim over these details, because it followed a similar pattern. Other than he wasn't as available as I had expected. Now, when you plan the trip to go back, were you going to be staying with him? See, one would think that, that's what I thought. Yeah. Because obviously, I would want to stay with my boyfriend. Right. Who's calling me babe and I'm calling babe?

Starting point is 00:23:26 Who wants to start a family? Yeah. And how do you make a baby? You've got to be in. Yeah. So really, I expected to stay together. And he said, actually, I'm going to be working a lot. You know, it just doesn't make sense.

Starting point is 00:23:40 You should just stay at the resort because I'm going to be there all the time. And then you can still come back. I could sleep at my place. Like, okay, but like, this is expensive. Not only is it expensive to stay at the resort, but the taxi rides back and forth were expensive. And anyway, so I did end up booking a room at the resort. And that's sort of when the excuses started to happen with him.

Starting point is 00:24:07 I got there and he told me that the owners of the resort were there that week and he wouldn't be able to see me as much as he wanted and he's really bummed. But he was just letting me know he'd be working longer hours. And I was just kind of like, that seems fishy, but okay, maybe it's real. And like I have a big job. I know what it means to have to put in extra hours. So I just, you know, was trying to be easy going. I should also share that I, up into that point, I really didn't have a great

Starting point is 00:24:42 track record with relationships. I've been in abusive relationships. I've been ghosted a lot. I've been thrown away. And so I learned that I don't, I learned to be small and not to say much because I'm thrown away if I speak up too loudly. And I know that sounds so stupid,

Starting point is 00:25:07 but that was me then. So I just wanted to be easy go lucky girl. Yeah. And so I was super accommodating. I would say in the seven days I was there, I might have seen them three times. And I'm like, this is really bizarre, but he always had a reason for it. When I, when I left that week together, he had shared with me that he, he had always wanted to work on a cruise line. And he had actually been offered a job, but he was scared to tell me.

Starting point is 00:25:43 and he really wanted to take a seven-month contract so that he could make all kinds of money. And then once that contract was up, he would come and live with me in Canada and we would start our family. And I obviously wasn't thrilled by the news because I thought we were working towards him coming to Canada and us starting a family much faster than that, given my age. but he shared that he had always wanted to work on a cruise but anytime in the past he had had the opportunity he was with a woman who got in the way and held him back and I was just like well I don't want to be the person that's going to get in the way of your dreams like I wouldn't want that and like how resentful would he be so I reluctantly was supportive and um agreed because I didn't have much choice. So he takes the job on the cruise and about a month or so

Starting point is 00:26:49 before he's set to go on the cruise, I start sort of nudging him that maybe he wants to quit the resort a little bit early so that he can go and spend some time with his family because his mom, his sisters, his nieces, his grandparents are super important to him. And they live in central Mexico. So he's located in the Mayan Riviera, Cancun area, but they're in central Mexico. And so I'm really trying to be like supportive of this because him being on the cruise for seven months would be a long time not to see them. But I'm also sort of suggesting he and his job at the resort earlier so that we have an opportunity to see each other.

Starting point is 00:27:30 Ideally, I can go and meet his family because, you know, he would tell me all the time that they knew all about me. and I, you know, he was particularly close with his mom. And so I was always asking about that and if she was bothered by my age. And he, he always said she knew all about me and she wasn't bothered at all. He knew, she knew if he thought I was a good person that I was a good person. So anyway, he agrees to leave the resort two weeks early. And so he's telling me what his last day is.

Starting point is 00:28:06 He's like getting ready to pack up his apartment, the studio apartment. And so I start asking him what the flight details are. And he says, oh, well, actually I haven't booked my flights yet. I'm like, what do you mean you have booked your flights yet? Like, you're leaving. You're giving your keys back. He's like, well, I don't have the money for my flights. I was like, oh, well, can you ask your mom?

Starting point is 00:28:29 Can you ask your grandpa? Can you ask someone? He's like, no, I'm not sure what I'm going to do. figure it out. It ultimately ended up being a situation where in a roundabout way, I felt like I had no choice but to help him financially. We'd come across a few situations like this leading up to, this point, not because I wanted to loan the money necessarily, but because he was so, he had such a compelling, manipulative way of making me feel like I had to, like he had no other option and that he would pay me back. It was a loan. And I came from this place of, we're together.

Starting point is 00:29:20 We're going to, we're going to plan a future together. All for one, one for all. Like, of course, you know, I can loan him some money. And he's going to work on this cruise and he's going to pay me back. So anyway, so he, I send him money to book his flight. The day that he's flying from Cancun to central Mexico, I have an idea of what his itinerary is. And I know that it's not a direct flight. He has to fly from Cancun to Mexico City, quick layover. Then he goes on to where his family lives. when he should have been on his way from Mexico City to where his family is, I get a panicked video call from him saying that he's missed his flight and he's like all teary and he doesn't know what he's going to do.

Starting point is 00:30:09 And I was like, well, why are you calling me? Like go talk to the people at the gate. They'll help you. So he tells me that he's talked to them and there's nothing that they can do. he needs to buy a new flight. I'm like, well, can you ask your mom? Can you ask your grandpa? Can you ask somebody?

Starting point is 00:30:30 No, no, no. I'm like, well, okay, it's only four hours from Mexico City. Could they drive? Like my parents would have driven. Nope, they can't do that. So again, it's sort of a situation where I'm, it was my choice to allow it to be made to feel like I was put in a situation where I had to bail him out.

Starting point is 00:30:51 but what do you do? So I booked him a flight from Mexico City to his final destination. And oh, thank you so much. I love you so much. You're the best. My family is so grateful for you. Blah, blah, blah. So once he gets home, you know, he settles in a little bit. So he's there for two weeks before he goes to work on the cruise. I say to him, like, is there any chance that I could come and see you? I would really love to see before he go on the cruise because while he's on the cruise, initially he said I'd be able to come visit, but it was still, I mean, I had a real job. Like, pretty hard to just be taking off on these thousands of dollars of vacation whenever. So I really wanted to see him for a weekend and meet his family.

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Starting point is 00:38:38 same. Listen to American Criminal, the murder of Carol Stewart, wherever you get your podcasts, or to get early ad free access, subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or at Americancriminal.com. And he told me that, you know, he really wanted to see me, but unfortunately he was going to have to drive his grandfather who was more like a father to him, had to drive him to Guadalajara for a family reunion because it might be the last time he would see his family because his grandfather was pretty old. And I was like, well, is there any way that I could come see you there? And he's like, oh, I really wish, but I don't think it's going to work out. Like, okay, well, that's a bummer. That really sucks. I missed a part where,

Starting point is 00:39:30 leading up to him going on the cruise, he discovers that he needs a new computer and for some training or whatever. And, you know, I said, like, why do you need a computer for this training? Why can't you do it on your iPad or whatever? He's like, no, everybody in the group chat for the cruise is saying that it won't work. You have to have a computer. So we go through the whole list of people. Can mom help, grandpa help? Anybody help? No. So I say, can you buy a really cheap computer just to get you through? He's like, no, I need a MacBook Pro. It's got to be this and I'll figure it out. I'm sure by now you can figure out what happened. He ends up convincing me to loan him money. He's going to start paying me as soon as he gets paid

Starting point is 00:40:23 on the cruise ship for this MacBook Pro. So the reason I'm bringing this up is he sent me a proud picture of his MacBook Pro that I had sent him the money for on May 5th, Cinco de Mayo. May 5th, 2022, he's the proud new owner of a laptop, and then he's heading off to Guadalajara. He can't be with me because he's going to be with his family. Okay, I'll come back to that because it's a pretty important date. Anyway, so he goes and he works on the cruise, and essentially it was a really challenging time to be in a long distance relationship. I tried to end things with him before the cruise started at various points on the cruise. So you were with him that full seven months? I was with him for a year.

Starting point is 00:41:13 Wow. Okay. And it was mainly all long distance. Mainly like 90%. Yes. All like, but you know, and I know it sounds so stupid, but the emotional connection that can be built over just text itself. And, you know, so he's working on the cruise and like at various points, there's bumps in the road. You know, of course, communication is a challenge. There are times where we get in disagreements, but then there's times where, you know, you make up. And so he asks for videos and pictures and he sends them to me, whether I'm asking for them. And so whether I'm asking for them or not, let me be clear. I didn't ask for them.

Starting point is 00:41:59 because I guess that's how, how else are you supposed to maintain an intimate connection with somebody in a long distance relationship? Anyway, so he goes and he works on the cruise for the seven months. The plan all along was going to be once he's done, he's going to come to Canada. We're going to start our family. His cruise contract was to end early December 2022. I would say it was about mid-November. He, we had sort of been fighting about some things.

Starting point is 00:42:36 And he shared with me that his grandfather died. He was devastated that his grandpa died. And he was just really, really sad and he didn't want to talk to me about it, but I should know. And I said that, you know, I felt really. terrible for him. I knew how close he was and I had like I shared had lost my mom. And so my first response was let's get you off the boat. Like you don't need to be there. Go home. He's like, no, no, no, I'll be fine. I just have to keep my head in the game. But I'm probably not going to want to talk to you for a little bit. Okay? I was like, okay. But like I know that when I'm hurting, I pull my person in

Starting point is 00:43:21 instead of push them out. But anyway. So then, um, I don't know, a week or so later, he then tells me that the MacBook Pro somehow fell out of his bag and shattered everywhere and it was garbage. This is almost at the end of his cruise. He has not sent me a penny for it from any of his paychecks. And then, and I said, well, clearly your mind is not in the right place. If you're grieving your grandpa, that's what happened with the laptop. It has to be. You know, you're not thinking. Um, let's get you off the ship. No, no, I'm going to stay. I need to be here. Like, okay, whatever. Then, I don't know. I can't remember if it was exactly two weeks later, but we're getting close to the end of his contract. All of a sudden, grandma dies. I'm like,

Starting point is 00:44:18 wow, this is bizarre. So I do a little Googling. I am a, a, I'm a researcher, and so I like to Google. I like to fact check some things. And so I just started Googling. Sometimes you do hear about relationships where, you know, couples that have been together, they die of a broken heart. And so one dies and then the other one dies quickly. But something just inside my gut was saying, this seems a little off.

Starting point is 00:44:45 So I started Googling like funeral homes, looking for obituaries. I started looking at his mom's Facebook. She had an open profile. I was just curious to see if anything was posted about her parents dying. Now, I have a quick question. Yeah. When you and him were dating, I guess, like times that you were seeing him, did he ever, like, did you ever have a conversation with his mom at all?

Starting point is 00:45:10 No. Okay. So it was only ever him and you. Yeah. And he would just kind of like tell you what they were saying. Yeah. Got it. Okay.

Starting point is 00:45:16 Yeah. And in fact, there were times that we would be FaceTime. and he would be like, oh, I got to go. My mom's calling. I'll call you back after. And I remember, like, we had a two-hour time difference. He was two hours ahead of me. So it was like late at night and his mom is FaceTiming. And I just remember thinking like, that's weird. Right. But I was like, well, you know, he works late hours. I don't know. Maybe she does too. Maybe this is just a schedule that they work around. But I remember. thinking that was really weird. And of course, he never

Starting point is 00:45:52 FaceTime me back. So, but I just let it go because I'm, again, I'm being honest. I'm being so honest and so transparent. Why am I thinking he's not? Anyway, so now we've got dead grandpa, dead grandma, a shattered laptop. And it's a couple weeks before the contract's ending and I'm scared to bring it up, but like, I want to know when am I going to see him? Because this whole time I've been counting down the weeks to when he's coming to Canada. So I sort of, you know, delicately ask him what his plans are when the cruise contract is up early December. And he's like, well, you know, I have to go home. I got to go deal with my grandparents at state and stuff. I'm like, okay, well, maybe I could come spend Christmas with you. No, I'm going to be

Starting point is 00:46:52 really, really busy. I'm like, okay. Well, when can I see you? Because as you know, based on when we met last year, I always traveled for my birthday. So, and that would be our one year anniversary. So I'd really like to plan something for that week. And he's like, well, I'm probably not going to be able to see you until the third week of January. So if it can wait till then. And I was just like, are you kidding me? Like I have been waiting this whole time. Why don't you want to see me? And like, why don't you want me to be there for you while you're grieving your, your family? But anyway, so not one to really say that out loud. I did a lot of thinking processing inside. And I thought to myself, if he doesn't make a lot of thinking, you know,

Starting point is 00:47:46 an effort to see me. Obviously, this is over. Like, I've wasted enough time. I've invested enough time and money in this relationship. So I was at this point where I'm, like, too far in to, to get back out. Yeah. I don't want to give up on the dream that he had fed you. Fed me. Yeah. Like, I really, I believed it. I believed it. I wanted it. So, but I really needed to make a decision. Do I, do I book a trip to Mexico for the dates that I want to go? Tell him where I'm going. If he can arrange to be there, great. Do I say, fuck it and book a trip somewhere else that I'd really wanted to go because Mexico really isn't one of my favorite places? but if I do that, then there's, that's a clear decision that I've ended this relationship.

Starting point is 00:48:49 Or do I work around his dates? What I ended up deciding was, I'm going to book the trip for the date that works for me. So, and I'm going to book it. I chose to book a trip from January 5th to 9th, 2023, in Cabo, because I knew he he loved Cabo and I'd never been there. So I just thought, I'm going to book this. If things change and he's available and he can come meet me for part of it, then great. I'm in Mexico.

Starting point is 00:49:25 All he has to do is meet me. And how far was that distance from where he was going to be? Well, so he was living in central Mexico. So it would still have been a flight, but like, I don't know, maybe an hour or two. It would have been close. Well, I'm going to say it would be closer, but it's probably the same as if I'd gone to Cancun, but Cabo was just way closer for me and a place I hadn't been before. And he had talked about so much. So I share with him that I've booked a trip to Cabo. I give him my flight details.

Starting point is 00:49:56 I give him the condo that I, the Airbnb that I've booked and I say, if you are able to come, here's where I'll be. I'd love to see you. No pressure, but I'd love to see you. He's immediately pissed at me. He's like, why would you book Cabo? There's way, better places in Mexico. If you'd picked Porto Viarda, I'd be able to come and see you. I could drive there, but absolutely not. There's no chance I'm coming to Cabo. I was like, okay. Well, okay. So I sat on it for a little bit and I decided to adjust my trip. Instead, I did four days in Cabo and then four days, I moved to Porto Viarda. So I shared the new itinerary with him and I said, if you can, I'll be in Cabo on these dates. If you can make it for these dates,

Starting point is 00:50:53 here's where I'll be. Okay, I'll meet you in Cabo, but I can't meet you before then. I think I got the dates wrong. I was there for eight days in Mexico. The dates don't really matter at this point. Anyway, so this is before he gets home. So he gets home from the cruise early December. One of the first things he does is he sends me like a mostly naked selfie in the mirror at his mom's house, unsolicited, you know, letting me know he's home. I'm asking how things are going, you know, with family. And he said, oh, it's pretty, pretty tense. Everybody's fighting. Things aren't good. I won't be able to talk to you very much. Like, okay, well, I'll try and give you space. Um, so I think it was New Year's Eve. He texts me, he's asking me what I'm up to

Starting point is 00:51:51 and, you know, whatever. We're just talking about regular things. And, and I said, are you still thinking you're going to be able to come to Porta Viorda to see me? And he's, and he's, and he's, you know, says, yes, for sure, I'll meet you in Porto Viata. I definitely can't meet you in Cabo. And if you stop asking me about it, I'll meet you in Porta Viata. Like, okay, cool. Message loud and clear. I had to leave where I was living a day before I was arriving in Mexico because I didn't have a direct flight. So the night that I'm leaving to go to Vancouver to spend the night before I fly off to Cabo, I get a text from him asking me what I'm doing. And I say, oh, I'm I'm just at the airport. I'm heading to Vancouver. He's like, oh, I thought you were coming tomorrow.

Starting point is 00:52:35 Like, what's going on? I'm like, I am. I just don't have a direct flight. And he seemed really sort of bizarre. And I'm like, what are you doing? He's like, well, I got to go. My mom was just in a car accident. She's in the hospital. I got to go. And I was like, oh, my God, is she going to be okay? Yeah, she's just going to be in the hospital for a few days. So I do a little bit of research. And I see that his mom had tagged yourself in Facebook as traveling from where they live to Cabo a day or two earlier. And I'm like, well, that's interesting. So I ask a few more clarifying questions about the car accident. And I say, like, where did it happen? Like the town that you live in? It's like, yeah, yeah, it happened there. And I was like, oh, is she going to be okay? So I'm like, I'm not going to tell

Starting point is 00:53:21 him that I know his mom's in Cabo. But I've created this story now that he's going to surprise me in Cabo. He's going to surprise me. I'm going to meet his mom. They're all coming to Cabo and it's going to be this great reunion. Because what else could it be? There's no way that he's lying about all of this. That's right. You know, like, of course there's like moments in your gut where like certain things don't add up. Yeah, but of course you, but you think you want to hope for the best, you know? Totally. So anyway, so we say good night. He's off to go take care of mom in the hospital. and I have an early flight out the next day. So the next day comes January 5th, 2023. I travel from Vancouver to Cabo completely thinking he's either going to be at the airport

Starting point is 00:54:15 waiting for me or he's going to be at my hotel. When I land, you know, the airport's insane in January. So I do a quick scan. I don't see him. So then I go and I wait for my, um, shuttle to my hotel and I haven't heard from him all day. So I decide to go to Facebook and I see that he has been tagged in a post congratulating him on his wedding. It's a picture of him in a suit and this beautiful girl, woman in a white dress under an arch and her name is tagged and, her name is tagged and other people are tagged and I'm just, it just doesn't make sense. So I like, you know when like you're tagged in something on Facebook? I think it's like a blue font. It's like a link. So I clicked on it. It was his name. I clicked on it, but I didn't go anywhere because I was on his page. I'm like,

Starting point is 00:55:23 what the f this? This just makes sense. So I click on her and I go to another profile and I click on the other name. Eleagate's all working, right? So like when I see this post, I'm in my shuttle on the way to my hotel. And I don't know if you've ever experienced this, but like everything goes black and it's spinny and sparkly and like your ears are ringing. And it was just like this out of body experience. It just doesn't make sense to me. So I send him a text and I'm like, congrass.

Starting point is 00:56:00 Did you get married today? And of course, you know, he was busy. He couldn't respond for a bit. But eventually he comes back and says to me, no, what are you talking about? So I send a screenshot. And then he's like, that's just like you to believe whatever you'd see on the internet, blah, blah, blah, blah. Gaslighting at his finest. And so I may have sounded stupid up to this point, but I am not stupid.

Starting point is 00:56:27 So I was just like enraged. And so by the time I got to my hotel, I had sent a few texts to some key people in my life that knew why I was coming and knew all about him. My relationship was not a secret to anybody in my life. And so I got a number of responses because I said, babe, because that's what I called him, Babe got married today. And everybody's like, what the fuck? What do you mean? So then I'd sent the screenshot and I learned that he had gotten married basically while I was in the air flying there. So that means the reception was happening right now. And it turned out that

Starting point is 00:57:13 he got married in Cabo at the resort 450 meters directly behind where I was staying. So I guess what I missed a part that when he said he was going to come to Porto Vallarta, I changed everything. I changed my reservation from the beautiful condo I had booked in Cabo and I picked a less of like fancy hotel because it didn't matter. It's just me. And then I booked something nicer for Porto Vyarta. Anyway, it turned out that his wedding reception was literally happening 450 meters directly behind my hotel. I had some really great friends who were doing some pretty fabulous research for me because I was

Starting point is 00:58:00 in a state of shock and rage and all of the things. Yeah. And so the reason I know it was 450 meters is because I put it into Google. I'm like, where is this hotel? And then like 450 meters is really fucking close. So a lot of people were like, so what are you going to? do you're going to go crash the wedding and i was like absolutely not no like no because that's just going to make me look like a complete lunatic there's no explanation other than i'm a crazy person a crazy

Starting point is 00:58:40 ex i don't know what the bride and her family and his family are like what would i be walking into and i don't really want to go to jail in the first place but certainly not mexican jail yeah so i decided not to crash the wedding, but I did go for a walk just to kind of have an idea of how far 450 meters was. And it was really close. And then I went on this like toxic cycle of like rage text him and then block him before he could respond and then unblock and rage text and and then block. And so essentially the texts were like, so I haven't gotten into many details, but he ended up owing me a fair amount of money that he never paid me for. So I raged tax, did I pay for the wedding or did I pay for the ring?

Starting point is 00:59:26 You know, we're 450 meters apart from each other. I sure hope I can meet your bride, like all kinds of things. Like I'm like, I'm so hurt. And I'm like, your grandpa didn't even die. Like, all of it's bullshit. So even the grandparents dying, both was a lie? All a lie. Okay.

Starting point is 00:59:43 So anyway, so there are little moments where he's responding and, and giving me more lies. But ultimately, I end up blocking him, shutting my phone off, and then like just laying in the fetal position at night and eventually falling asleep. And then like waking up and being so confused, like this is a bad dream and then realizing, no, this is real life. So the next morning, I turned my phone on. and before my Apple logo has fully even disappeared, my phone starts blowing up.

Starting point is 01:00:21 And I'm getting these phone calls from this unknown number. And I don't answer unknown numbers at the best of times, but certainly not in Mexico. I'm not paying those roaming charges for a stranger. Anyway, it ends up that it's him because I've blocked him from texting me. Right. He can't do anything but call me. and you can't block an unknown number. So eventually I answer the phone not realizing it's him.

Starting point is 01:00:51 And he's like, please, please, please, please, let me explain. I got to talk to you. Please, please, please. And I'm like, if you want to talk to me, you can walk the 450 meters to my hotel and you can look me in the eye and tell me what the fuck's been going on. He's like, no, no, no, I can't. I'll talk to you in Porta Viarda. Like, dude, we are not going to Porta Viata. Oh my God.

Starting point is 01:01:15 Yeah. He does eventually tell me that he will meet me in the parking lot of my hotel. So he does. So it's, I don't even know the time anymore because it was all, as you might have guessed, a blur. Right. Call it 9.30 in the morning. He walks from his hotel and he approaches me. I'm sitting in my parking lot and his heads down and he's like walking like a little sad,

Starting point is 01:01:43 little puppy. And, you know, he's, he's like, I'm sorry. I'm like, sorry. You're fucking sorry. That's the best you have. Like, you just married somebody. He's like, and lied a million times. A million times. I said, you're a fucking scammer. And he got so offended that I called him a scammer. I'm like, of all the things that I said to you last night, why are you so offended by me calling you a scammer? He's like, well, because I'm not one. And I'm like, really, dude? You just, lied to me for an entire year. You used me for money and you just married somebody. And so he then tries to tell me that we had actually broken up. He and I had broken up in July. He just forgot to mention that to me. Now, things had been bumpy, true, but we had not broken up. And I had sent him

Starting point is 01:02:36 stuff in July. And I shared that he sent me the mostly naked selfie in December. Like, these are not things we do when we're not together. Yeah, or when you're planning on getting married to someone else completely. Exactly. So I'm like, basically I'm asking about the person he married. And he claims that she was his best friend for 10 years. And they just started dating. And I was like, hold on a minute.

Starting point is 01:03:05 You're telling me you went from best friends to dating to married in the blink of an eye. He's like, well, yeah, when my grandpa died, we realized how precious life was. And so we decided to get married. And I was like, so you're telling me that from like November when grandpa died to January 5th, you dated and got married. It doesn't fucking make sense. And I'm like, wait, so did the grandpa, did he's, okay. So he's adamant at that point. That the grandfather's dead.

Starting point is 01:03:37 Grandma and grandpa are dead. And I say to him, and I know they're not dead. He's like, yes, they are. I'm like, they're not. So he was sticking with that. Oh, he was sticking to all his lives. Okay. And I'm like, I'm like, I need to, I'm going to, I need to meet your wife because she's

Starting point is 01:03:52 from Canada too. Wow. Yeah, he's got a type. What are that odd? Was she blonde? No. Okay. Actually, I'll give you a description of her in a second.

Starting point is 01:04:02 Okay. I said, she needs to know. You owe me $9,000. And I want to talk to your mom because I want to know what the fuck's been going on. Yeah. And he's like, I'll pay you the money. I just need my grandparents' estate to come through and I'll pay you the money. But please don't tell her.

Starting point is 01:04:25 Please, please, I'll tell her in my own time. Blah, blah, blah. So we leave it that he, so he was with me, I think, for about an hour on the morning of his wedding. Sorry, morning after his wedding. and we leave it that he's going to talk to his mom and see if she'll meet me. Now, a lot of people ask me, why did you want to meet the mom? Because I wanted to know, she was, nothing he was saying was true and was real. So I felt like she's a mom.

Starting point is 01:04:58 Yes, his mom, but like she would speak the truth. I was convinced that like she was the only way that I could know the truth and she knew about me. So anyway, a few hours or maybe an hour later, I don't remember, it's really all a blur. I get a text from him saying, I told my mom, she's so mad at me, but she says she'll meet you. And then she starts texting me on his phone and she's begging me not to tell the wife. But she'll meet me. She'll take me for lunch, whatever.

Starting point is 01:05:33 And I'm like, okay, great. I'm here right now. Let's go. And she's like, oh, we can't meet you right now. we're actually leaving today. But I hear you're going to be in Porta Viarda on January 9th. So I thought I'd meet you there. And I was just like, I'm here right now.

Starting point is 01:05:49 Like, let's do this. Yeah. So anyway, she, I was not in a good state, right? Clearly not thinking, clearly, really hurt. So obviously anybody listening and looking in would recognize it's not his mom texting me. And there was part of me that sort of questioned that too, but I was just so broken that I just accepted it. And I said to her, I would rather that we text from your phone. I don't want anything to do with him. Can you please text me? Well, she never did. So I sent her a message on

Starting point is 01:06:29 Facebook. And of course, she never opened it until I messaged him being like, interesting that your mom was messaging me, but she hasn't responded. And then I get a mysterious message back from her. So I'm led to believe that if I don't say anything to the wife, she's going to meet me in Porta Viata and she's going to answer any of the questions that I have. So I felt deep in my core the wife needed to know. Not because I wanted them to break up. I could care less about that.

Starting point is 01:06:59 But just especially the fact that she's a fellow Canadian, I felt it was important. She at least had the opportunity to know the truth. Yeah, make a decision. on that. But I also didn't know what kind of person she was, so I didn't want to be delivering this information in Mexico and in person and risk, whatever. So I just hung tight and I waited for his mother. So January 9th comes. I fly to Porto, Portoviarda. She does not meet me when she says she's going to meet me and things I'm strung along all day by him. And, and I'm strung along all day by him.

Starting point is 01:07:38 And I make a really big mistake in showing him my cards. And I said, if I don't hear from your mom by 4 o'clock, I'm messaging your wife. Anybody who's listening? Don't tell them you're going to message the wife. So, of course, I didn't hear from his mom. So at 4 o'clock, I sent his wife a message on Facebook. And I was able to do that because she had been tagged in the post. And so the message was something.

Starting point is 01:08:08 essentially like, you know, there's no easy way to tell you this, but I just found out through this Facebook post that you married my boyfriend and like we're both been with the same guy and I'm actually in Mexico right now. And I just wanted you to know. And here's my phone number if you want to talk. And as I hit send on that, there was like these little gray letters that say this person doesn't accept messages from people that aren't their friends, right? I was like, fuck, what am I going to do? So the person that made the post was her mom. So I decided, okay, I'll send it to her. So essentially, I sent the same message to the mom, gave my phone number, and hit send. Well, it didn't take that long for me to get a response from the bride. And it wasn't a

Starting point is 01:09:03 very nice one. And essentially... Did she call you or message you back? Message on Facebook. Okay. From her personal or the moms? Sorry, from the brides message me from her Facebook. So she ended up seeing what you wrote also.

Starting point is 01:09:19 Or did she? So that's what I thought at the time. So I got this nasty message back being like, I know all about you. You're a desperate old woman. He's told me everything about you. We weren't dating at the same time. I don't want to know anything about you. He told me about all the money that he owes you and that's between you guys.

Starting point is 01:09:42 Like basically, fuck off. You're a desperate old woman. Leave me alone. I was just like, whoa. Message received loud and clear. So I blocked her, deleted her, went away. I then sent her mama message saying, I just heard back from her. she apparently knows everything.

Starting point is 01:10:04 I'm so sorry to have bothered you. And I then blocked the mom. So I don't even actually know if that message would have been received. But so I was already super fragile. But being told that I'm a desperate old woman that like nobody cares about you. Go fuck yourself essentially. Really, really cut deep. And I was that on top of everything else.

Starting point is 01:10:31 It's like, yeah, just kick me while I'm down. Kick me while I'm down. And so I, my eight days in Mexico were very, very dark. Like I seriously contemplated ending my life because I was just like, here's another person who just throws me away. Nobody cares about me. I'm a desperate old woman. I think too, it's a very frustrating situation because when you reflect on it in that moment, you're probably like, I didn't even want them at first. A thousand percent.

Starting point is 01:11:01 So how the fuck did I end up here? I think it's more so like you beat yourself up. I was so mad of myself. Yeah. Because you're right. I really didn't even want to talk to him. And here I am going on this stupid journey with this guy. Exactly.

Starting point is 01:11:16 Anyway, so I eventually get maybe an hour or two later, I get a phone call from an area code that I know to be where her mom would live. Because in a weird turn of events, the province that the bride and her mom live in is the one that I grew up in. Not the same one I lived in then, but I knew the area. I knew exactly. So I'm like, I'm not answering that phone call because, again, I'm in Mexico. I'm not doing roaming charges. I've heard from her abundantly clear wants nothing to do with me. So I don't answer. Well, she calls back again. I don't. I don't answer. But going back to the way we all, the way this all started was, I don't want to be rude. So I send her mama text back and I say, I heard back from your daughter. She's made it very clear

Starting point is 01:12:11 that she knows what's going on and doesn't want to have anything to do with me. I'm so sorry to involve you. I'll leave you alone. So I send that text and I block her number. And I, again, I'm just, I'm not, I'm not good. Um, fast forward to the end of my trip, um, in this beautiful condo that I'm supposed to be with him. It's supposed to be having a baby or practicing or getting pregnant or whatever. And it's just not what I had expected. All I want to do is not be around anymore. So I, as I'm getting out of the cab at the airport, I happen to get a text or a Facebook message from his mother. And it essentially says something like, you are a desperate old woman and nobody gives a shit about

Starting point is 01:13:00 you. Megan's family is so fed up that you've been bothering them that if you don't stop harassing them, they're going to file a restraining order. And Megan actually is pregnant and you've caused her so much stress. She's been in the emergency room. So we'll send you the money that he owes you, but basically fuck off, never talk to us again. And if I hear from you again, I won't be as nice. And I'm just like, so this is as I'm walking into the airport and I'm already so broken. Like I block her. I don't remember checking in for my flight.

Starting point is 01:13:39 All I remember is going through security and taking a hard left and going to a bar and drinking. So I'm like, I need to numb this. This is so fucked up. And when I sat down, all I could do was think to write my will, because I'm like, I'm not, I can't do this anymore. But I knew I couldn't do that because my dad was actually quite broken after my mom died. Really sad, not himself. So I felt like I can't do that to him.

Starting point is 01:14:16 So anyway, I get back home. everybody at home knows about my trip many of them know how it went and so you know i like i go inward i don't want to talk about it i'm embarrassed i'm hurt i'm super depressed and um i'm patiently waiting for the amount of days that they claim it's going to take for this money to be sent to me thinking once i get my nine thousand dollars like it's done fuck them whatever i'm just a desperate old woman. I'll have a desperate life, but at least I have my $9,000 back. Well, naturally, the money doesn't show up. So I have to reach out to him. So we have a series of emails back and forth. And as you might guess, they're not overly friendly. And he tells me that

Starting point is 01:15:09 he's lost everything. His family's all mad at him. His wife now knows about this and she's not talking to him and he's never going to get to meet his child and he hates me and I'm a horrible person. And he just found out actually that he has cancer and so he doesn't want to talk to me. He just wants to live his remaining days in peace. I'm just like, fuck you. You don't have cancer. Yeah. Like I don't care if you do, but like you don't have cancer. Pay me the money. Was she actually pregnant? No. She just lies about everything. Literally everything is a lie. But him and this woman were married at this point,

Starting point is 01:15:54 and were they actually good friends for 10 years prior to that? No. Okay. I know it all. I know it all. Okay. I could give you a spoiler right now. Give it.

Starting point is 01:16:07 She and I end up becoming besties. So, okay, so he tells me he's got cancer and he's going to get me the money, but basically leave me alone. Uh-huh. And I say, I know you don't have cancer. Like, you're a disgusting human being. And actually at that time, which would have been six weeks after the wedding, my dad is diagnosed with terminal cancer. So I'm like, you're a horrible person to claim you have cancer when my dad actually, literally, was just diagnosed with terminal cancer.

Starting point is 01:16:39 Like, go fuck yourself. So we go back and forth with toxic emails. Spoiler alert, to this day, I've never received payment. He still owes me $9,000. My dad, six weeks after he was diagnosed, he died. In the last two weeks of his life, I flew across the country to spend with him. And I was so hurt and bothered and upset about how I had been. used and fucked over and how nobody cared about me and my side of the story based on, you know,

Starting point is 01:17:23 the communication with the mother and the wife. And so I wasn't really able to be super present with my dad. Like I was. He was sleeping 23 hours a day. He was falling. I was doing the things. But in the time that I wasn't focused on him, I was just focused on just feeling like I needed to send a letter, maybe not to the bride anymore because she didn't, she clearly didn't care about me, but to her mother, because I was actually closer in age to her mother than I was to her. And I just, I decided to send a letter to her mother to say, here's the story. We were dating for this amount of time. We were going to have a baby.

Starting point is 01:18:09 He owes me nine grand. I'm only writing to you so that one, you know the truth. Two, you can maybe help me to serve him with legal papers because he owes me $9,000. And if you don't, like your daughter's kind of liable for this. And also in the correspondence that I've had from your daughter, it's a bit concerning because her English isn't as fluent as one might expect. So I ended up mailing her a letter. I'm a researcher, so I was able to figure out where they work.

Starting point is 01:18:47 And I sent her mom a letter that we call the package now. It was like a big thick thing with, you know, proof of everything in the letter. And I mailed it to her what ended up being 12 hours before my dad died. And I needed to send that letter so that I could get rid of it and then focus on my dad. and then he ends up dying. And he ends up dying in the exact same hospital room that my mom died in three and a half years earlier. So like, I'm really broken at this point.

Starting point is 01:19:25 But I'm feeling like I can lift any of the stuff with him. Like, it doesn't matter anymore. So I mailed a letter. I don't give a return address. I don't give my phone number again. I don't want to hear from them. but I also don't like hide my email address because I don't want to make it look like I'm hiding anything. So a week after my dad dies, I get a message from the bride.

Starting point is 01:19:59 And she says, I got your package in the mail. And you seem to think that we've been speaking. And I have a lot of questions. We spoke on the phone for two hours. She didn't know any of it. They had been together for three and a half years. They had been engaged. He proposed to her on May 5th, Cinco de Mayo,

Starting point is 01:20:21 the day that he sent me the picture with his laptop. I couldn't come visit because she was there with his family. She didn't know anything. She did have this weird feeling that something was off, though. And so we don't know if it's exact, but we both feel pretty confident. that right around the time I was compelled to mail the package, she said to the universe, hey, there's something I need to know here. Give me a sign. Like something feels weird. Just give me a

Starting point is 01:20:52 sign. I was able, I did most of the talking. She asked a lot of questions, but I did most of the talking. And I was able to pinpoint the exact moment that he went from being a happy go lucky groom so madly in love and carefree, to all of a sudden sick to his stomach, to wanting to go hide in the room, to throwing up, to like just wanting to get out of there? Because it's when I sent the message. She had no idea that he met me the morning after the wedding. He had told her he was sick, sent her off to breakfast with her family, he goes and talks to me. When he said he was going to meet me in Puerto Vallarta, they were actually on their honeymoon. It was him that responded to the Facebook message. She was never pregnant. It was all a lie. Grandparents,

Starting point is 01:21:56 not dead. All a lie. Like I said, we talked on the phone for two hours. I have a quick question. Uh-huh. How did him and her meet? Do you know that? I do. They met three and a half years earlier in Cabo at the resort that he worked at.

Starting point is 01:22:16 So, and she was on vacation? She was on vacation. Wow. And then they ultimately went back to that resort and that's where they got married. I now know that he loved Cabo so much because it was connected to her. They actually lived in Cabo together during COVID. And she, but she was from and living in Canada. Correct.

Starting point is 01:22:39 Yeah. So. You were like a replica, but just different. Well, let me tell you. Okay. So she's, I'm nine years older than him. He's nine years older than her. I'm 18 years older than her.

Starting point is 01:22:56 How disgusting would that be for her to think? It's disgusting for me to even say. So that's one thing. I'm five foot one, blonde hair. She's six foot one, long, beautiful dark hair. Physically, we could not be any more different. Personality, heart, where he picks great women. She and I have become really, really close. in this time together, which, you know, I'm really grateful for because part of the hesitancy in reaching out to her is quite often women stand by their men and they attack the woman that's reaching out. And so I was terrified when she wanted to talk on the phone, but also I needed to know that it was actually her. Yeah. And so one of the first things she said to me on that phone call,

Starting point is 01:24:00 I believe you, we're both victims here. So anyway, as I said, we talked on the phone for about two hours and we left it that if she needed anything, she could contact me. But I had no intention of ever talking to her again. I had no intention of ever. It was done for me. Yeah. Right?

Starting point is 01:24:23 And like, again, I didn't care if they broke up. That wasn't my mission. She just needed to know the truth. And I should say, after the phone call, she did leave him. So they got married. But there was actually a paperwork issue. And so they weren't able to legally get married in Mexico that day. So she was, thankfully, able to get out of it.

Starting point is 01:24:51 So when she received the package, she confronted him. he said, he gas litter said he didn't know. It was all fake, right? Then she talked to me on the phone. She gave him another opportunity. Totally lied about everything again. She blocked him. So the next day, um, I start getting some like weird emails that at first I thought it was just spam. So I just trashed it. And then I, I got another one and I recognized the name. So I'm like, what's going on? And it's basically, it's this account saying, you know, if you don't retract everything you're saying, we're going to make your life a living hell. We know everything about you. We know where you work. We know all these things. And sent a screenshot of my

Starting point is 01:25:45 LinkedIn profile. Okay. So I go to my LinkedIn and I'm like, who's viewed my profile? Who do you thinks if you'd my profile. So I send her a message and I say, hey, I'm getting these weird messages from this name. It's obviously him. She's like, oh my God, I got some messages from that same name. And it's saying that, you know, he's innocent and she really needs to talk to him, um, that all his friends are worried about him. He's going to kill himself. Blah, blah, blah, right? So we start communicating because we're both getting messages. And so what went from no intention of ever speaking again turned into we ended up, you know, being in constant communication because that was just the beginning.

Starting point is 01:26:41 He went on a rampage. He lost his mind. He created unlimited fake accounts. So social media, email accounts, phone numbers to harass and blackmail and threaten me, to love bomb and beg her to talk to him, but also accounts in my name to harass and intimidate her and her family. So we were in constant communication, thankfully, especially when I learned. Well, that's the only way I learned that her family was getting messages from me that clearly I wasn't sending.

Starting point is 01:27:28 Things started to escalate. I was getting messages. So at this point, it's April. My dad died April 6. It's like middle of April. I'm getting constant messages. Early May, I get a horrible message from his mother. his mother telling me that he's killed himself and it's my fault and she is a mother with nothing to lose

Starting point is 01:27:52 and if I don't retract everything and tell the wife that I made it all up, she has access to all his files and she is going to release my intimate photos and videos and she's going to make me pay because I have ruined her life, her son's life, all because I'm a desperate old woman. My son would never want you anyway. He was obviously only ever using you for money. You name it. Six weeks after my dad died, my intimate photos and videos that I had sent to him while he was working on the cruise ship or posted on social media. I was tagged. My employer's social media was tagged. They were sent to my employer. They were posted on porn sites. And it was just a constant harassment. Harassment. And so six weeks after my dad dies.

Starting point is 01:28:47 My last living parent. So when my dad died, it brought up all of the grief that I had losing my mom. And then actually, a year almost to the day after my mom died, my dog died. And then my dad dies.

Starting point is 01:29:06 And then like I'm grieving this relationship, this life that I was presented that was going to be a thing. And so I'm really broken. him and then intimate photos and videos are out there. I wanted to kill myself. Like, it was so dark. Like, what do you do? How do you stop that? So I ended up taking a leave of absence from work. What did work say to you? Well, first of all, first of all, I contacted corporate security when I found out that their social media had been tagged. It's a huge company.

Starting point is 01:29:46 And fortunately, I knew the corporate security people because we sat on the same floor. And so I talked to the person who managed that stuff and he said, you're right. He did do those things. What happens when our company and probably all big organizations, when somebody is tagged, it goes into like a vacuum. And so you, the tag, the post has to be approved. So thankfully, all of the things that he posted just went into this container. But this colleague of mine saw them, knows me, share a elevator on kitchen.

Starting point is 01:30:30 So he's like, he took care of it all. He never, it never actually got posted. But so he was super supportive. My ex made numerous email addresses and was sending them to my employer. So anytime a new email address was, they went in and they like pulled it from anybody's inbox or like they were on it. They were on it. They were really great. My immediate manager, supervisor, they were qualified to deal with this.

Starting point is 01:31:05 My leave was approved. Let's just leave it at that. I ended up taking a mental health leave for six weeks, or sorry, six months. I contemplated killing myself a lot. The threats were endless. I couldn't sleep through the night. It escalated. I would get threats. Things were being sent to work. Things that were being. being sent to my house, people were watching me out of my house, claiming that the cartel were involved. Then I started getting death threats. All like trying to figure out how to navigate a world with no parents, no partner, no kids. It was pretty fucking awful. So I ended up going into hiding just for my own safety for a little while. And what was happening behind the scenes? So that was all happening to me. What was happening at the time with her is that he was reaching out to all of her family members, to her constantly begging them to get her to speak to him because after we spoke, she blocked him and she never spoke to him again. Like she needs to offer

Starting point is 01:32:28 a masterclass in blocking the cutoff game. Yeah. That's really difficult too. And that's another thing. Kind of going back to what we said in the beginning is it's, you know, even if somebody does something so horrible, it can be very difficult to just cut that off, especially when you've had this idea in your mind of a way that you thought one person was and then who they are to you now.

Starting point is 01:32:54 It can be very hard to just cold turkey be like, fuck you, I'm at. Totally. Totally. I'm so proud of her. Yeah. I don't know how she did it. But yeah, so he was just constantly harassing them essentially for months and months and months.

Starting point is 01:33:10 But what the other thing that he was doing was, like I said, he created a bunch of accounts in my name. He was harassing them. But he was also claiming that he and his family, everything that was being done to me, besides the intimate photos, that was happening to them. So they were getting death threats. They were afraid for their lives. I'm crazy.

Starting point is 01:33:36 You name it. Yeah. I was doing it all to all of those people. Her birthday is in July. So the death threats were really quite heavy in July. And he decided, so her birthday is at the end of July. He decided in the beginning of July to threaten her life. and so for the basically the big lead up to her birthday but she's going to get murdered on her

Starting point is 01:34:03 birthday um but that i was behind it i was i was hiring somebody to murder her like why would i murder her why it made no sense but the the the wild things that were sent to her to try and scare her and believe that her life was in danger. It was just endless. And then her birthday comes and he sends her a dozen roses, a love letter and a teddy bear being like, I know we're not together right now, but I'll always be her husband. So it's like these multiple personalities of like love bombing and then terrorizing this woman. And was he working at this time?

Starting point is 01:34:53 So funny, you ask if he was working. There's a bigger story around that, but essentially he ends up getting fired from the cruise. Okay. And he blames me first and then he blames his wife. And I go into bigger detail on my podcast. On my podcast. But anyway, no, he wasn't working. So he had nothing but time.

Starting point is 01:35:17 Right. That's what I was thinking. And rage to. to be able to harass you both. Constantly. At one point, I don't remember the exact numbers anymore, but at one point, I believe there were almost 100, for sure there was 50, maybe there was 100,

Starting point is 01:35:33 email addresses, Instagram accounts, TikToks. So he just kept making them every time you'd follow. Phone numbers, you name it, it was constant. Anyway, so fast forward to, about November. So basically, anytime I share any part of this story with anybody, the constant response I get is, oh my God, this should be a Netflix documentary.

Starting point is 01:36:01 This is fucking crazy. And I can't believe it happened to you, Allie. Like, you're so normal. Like, it's so crazy that this happened to you. And so I knew that I needed to tell my story. I just didn't know how. Right. I was an interior designer for the first 20 years of my career.

Starting point is 01:36:22 So I knew how to draw things. I know how to pick a color, but to write a book or create some kind of documentary. To talk about your personal life? No idea. And of course, everything that I'm sharing here should be so fucking private and so cringy and so embarrassing because it is. Right. And I, like, I get it. Like, it's so easy to judge and think how stupid I am. It's a different thing when you're in it. Um, anyway, so, you know, like at the

Starting point is 01:37:00 that point, like you just mentioned, you know, you are in a place where I feel like, or you were in a place at that time where you felt like this story and situation was more embarrassing and shameful than anything else. I think right after something like that happens, it's hard to kind of see the light at the end of the tunnel, the positivity that you can turn into this. And I don't think anybody, you know, when something happens to you, no one's immediate thought is like, how can I share this? You know, I feel like that takes time to kind of figure out. Oh, it took time. It took a lot. I had a lot of therapy, a lot. I had a life coach. I was spending a lot of time alone and quiet and in my thoughts and there were really, really, really dark days.

Starting point is 01:37:49 But eventually those dark days got a little bit lighter. And eventually I decided, fuck him. He's not, he's not doing this to me. I'm standing up. He's not going to take your life. Yeah. And so in that journey, I decided that I was going to tell my story on a podcast. I didn't know how to do that.

Starting point is 01:38:11 but I did know my story and I could I could control it. I could figure this out and I could just share my story. And the point of sharing my story was to let it go to help me heal. And it really did. So how long after everything unfolded, what was the time frame between that and then beginning to really come out and share your story and feel like you were comfortable enough to talk about it publicly? Okay, so he got married in January.

Starting point is 01:38:46 Okay. My nudes went out. My dad died in April. My nudes went out mid to end May. I started working on my podcast thinking about it, what's it going to look like in November. And I made the decision. It had to be done by December 31st, 2023, because I wasn't taking the shit into next year. Yep.

Starting point is 01:39:09 So basically kind of like almost a year. Totally. Yeah. A year of hell. Like multiple shit storms happening in that year. It was awful. But what it did do with all that therapy and all that time and slowing things down is it also allowed me to start to reevaluate other areas of my life that weren't serving

Starting point is 01:39:32 me anymore. And so some of that was my job as an interior designer and working for that company. And you saw how I sort of. uncomfortably dodged around how I was supported at work. And so I decided it's probably not the right fit for me. Um, so I had to find some kind of meaning for why it was me, this normal, boring person who got, found herself in this situation. And I decided it had to be me because I was the one strong enough to stand up and stop him. It had to be me because this experience was meant to totally change a trajectory of my life. And so I had such a transformation with therapy

Starting point is 01:40:30 and a life coach that I decided maybe this all happened so that I could become a coach. Maybe I could start to help other people. Um, their stories don't have to. be anywhere near what mine is, but maybe this might be helpful. So, so anyway, I, I, I released my podcast called Sex Lives and Tacos. Now that makes sense to me. The tacos, yeah, um, that name came to me in the middle of the night. I wasn't, I still don't really sleep through the night anymore because of this trauma, but, um, it came to me in the middle of the night. Um, so I released the first part by December 31st, 2022. And I can't say

Starting point is 01:41:11 it certainly was freeing. Like I bawled after. And I was like, holy shit, I can't believe I just did this. You should be embarrassed. What if he finds it? All of the things, right? But eventually as people started to hear it, they started to like really rally around me and support me.

Starting point is 01:41:34 And then I started sharing. more in the story. A really important thing to share is that in December 2020, just before Christmas, he decided to release her intimate photos and videos to social media in accounts that were in my name. And so it wasn't just the need to tell this story for me, but I felt like I needed to do something for her. And ultimately what ended up happening is he did eventually find out about the podcast. He listened to it. And I protect his identity in the podcast, much like I am here. But I make it very clear that if he doesn't stop harassing her and I, if the pictures don't go

Starting point is 01:42:31 away, if all of this doesn't stop, that I'll re-record. And I, I'll re-record. And I, will share his name. I'll share all of it. So is he still harassing you guys? That podcast and calling him out stopped it. Wow. So that ended in, was that 22 or 23? So that we're in 23 now. Okay. So the episode where I call him out, because it took some time. It was like May, right around the Cinco de Mayo date. So his harassment with me started to dwindle, December, January, like 2022, 23. And the focus really became on her. Okay. Because she had moved on and he was angry and hurt. And so the harassment with her continued on until May. And I truly believe it was me calling him out in that episode to say, like the police were involved for anybody who's wondering,

Starting point is 01:43:32 too. Like that happens a lot when I share this story. People are screaming. at me like what do you like where were the police and then i also want to mention too i don't think people realize that can be very difficult as well like it's not as easy as like oh somebody's harassing me do something like a lot of times they can't really do much so you're right so thankfully the police took this very seriously there was just so much evidence but when it comes to like death threats they can't do anything unless somebody's actually at your door right um What, every single thing he did is so incredibly illegal. Nobody's disputing that.

Starting point is 01:44:12 The tricky part is he was in Mexico and we were in Canada. Okay. And so they're not, I mean, there's murderers. Like, they're not, you know. Right. They're, they're, I feel like they're not as press when it comes to people who are getting harassed on social media. Yeah. But it is, it is very much all of those things.

Starting point is 01:44:33 Yeah. Like extortion. Right. Distribution of intimate photos without consent. I mean, and also just like overall, you're getting bullied online and that leads people to take their own lives. 100%. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:44:48 And like, yeah, I think that's the part that's like, it's not just like that we hear about this happening with kids. Right. And a lot of kids, like, they do kill themselves because it's, how do you recover? It's awful. We don't hear about a happening to middle-aged women. Yeah. But it happens to anybody and everybody.

Starting point is 01:45:10 And for the people saying, why would you send a picture? You're so stupid to send a picture. Tell me that you wouldn't do something with somebody that you thought you trusted. Tell me you wouldn't in a long-distance relationship. It's easy to say. It's all so easy to say. It's also a very, I think people, that's a very taboo subject. and one I've never completely understood.

Starting point is 01:45:37 I mean, like, granted, yeah, when you're young and your child and you're in high school, like, okay, don't send your naked pictures to your high school boyfriends for obvious reasons, you know. But, like, when you are in an intimate relationship and one, like you said, you trust somebody, to me, that's very normal. Long distance or not, you know, you're having sex and doing stuff in person. When you guys are away during the day or for weeks at a time, that's very normal. You know what I mean? So it's like anybody that's saying it's not,

Starting point is 01:46:07 yeah, shut up. Maybe it's not your cup of tea. Maybe you're very boring. How about that? How about that? Exactly. How about you shut the fuck up? Right.

Starting point is 01:46:16 Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. So anyway, it ultimately, it's done. Yeah. It's done. I share a lot more details in my podcast. It's like 12 episodes or something.

Starting point is 01:46:33 But I guess the point in sharing all of this is just to say, like, you know, this can happen to anybody. It can happen. You know, mine was like the perfect storm of like ignoring red flags and ignoring my intuition and like trying to be nice and doing all of those things. But at the end of the day, what happened? I didn't deserve. all I was guilty of was trusting somebody, believing that they had the same intentions that I had

Starting point is 01:47:08 and loving the wrong person. All she was guilty of was the exact same things because he approached her in the exact same way. He manipulated her. He charmed her. And yeah, she's 18 years younger than me, but that doesn't me. That doesn't take away from his ability. And that just goes to show, too, like even the age difference. It shows that, you know, it doesn't discriminate who this can happen to, like you said.

Starting point is 01:47:37 And, you know, this should probably come as no surprise to anybody. But obviously, there were multiple other women. And so in releasing my podcast, it's actually brought forward some other women. I was thinking, like, in my head I was wondering. Like, I was like, there has to be. I'm sure there's hundreds. Wow. But there are some...

Starting point is 01:48:00 How many came forward? Let's just say I was in a group chat with like four other women at one point about it. So, and this was all... Overlapping. Overlapping. People that found you from the podcast. Mm-hmm. Or I found them.

Starting point is 01:48:13 Right, based on my research. I'm a researcher. What can I say? Wow. Yeah. But, but... So he's like a serial... Opportunist, scammer.

Starting point is 01:48:24 Right. Womanizer. Was he taking money from all of them? Well, it's interesting. He took from me the most. He often paid for things with, she hates it when I call her the wife, but rather than like surname, but he often paid for things for her, but she paid for rent and stuff. So yeah, there were, yeah, I think I was the more extreme one. He did.

Starting point is 01:48:52 There's at least two others that, well, first of all, he met us all in the exact same way. All from the resort? Different resorts, but, and like we're talking like, crazy. Independent, educated, strong women. Yeah. I think, too, there is something about this, what's the word? Not pressure, but when a guy keeps just like trying, it's like, you know, you can know in your head,

Starting point is 01:49:23 I'm not interested, I'm not interested, but it's like when someone he keeps trying, I think that's when you start to question and doubt yourself in your intuition and the red flags and you're like, like maybe I should just give this guy a chance. Like, you know what I mean? And I think that a lot of times is something that is very common where you deny, deny, deny because you genuinely aren't interested. But then you're like, wow, this person's really persistent. Maybe for myself and for the experience, I should. Yeah. Well, and I think, I don't know if this is the case as much anymore. So I can only talk about my experience and my upbringing, but like, we're taught to be nice little girls. Women can't get angry.

Starting point is 01:50:06 Women can't be assertive because we're bitches. We're whatever. Crazy. We're crazy. And so the last thing I want is to be labeled any of those things because I have a feeling that doesn't feel good for you to hear about. And so, yeah, do I wish that I had never even entered into the conversation? 100%.

Starting point is 01:50:32 However, I have had to come to a place of gratitude for it. Because if this shit show hadn't happened, I'd still be living the life that I wasn't feeling fulfilled in. So what ended up happening, like I've changed my career, I'm doing things I never would have even imagined I would do. The other thing that happened was I ended up getting laid off from my job. And it ended up being January, 24, so a year after, two days after my birthday. So it was like, I had been hoping and manifesting because I wasn't happy, but I didn't want to quit.

Starting point is 01:51:18 But I think for all of this stuff to be happening in January, it was like this container, and it was like it was supposed to happen. It was really fucking awful. But it needed to happen so that I could change my life, do something to help other people, particularly women, who, you know, life hits you hard sometimes, and you feel like, like you don't want to do it, you want to give up. And my goal in what I've gone through is to show people that sometimes those things can become the catalyst for your most epic transformation. And so, yeah. Well, you know, I was going to say too, you took the words out

Starting point is 01:52:12 of my mouth, but I was going to say, you know, it led you to this transformative moment in your life. And I think too, you know, just from how you were describing yourself prior to all of this, even though, you know, you were this independent woman, I think even after this happening, how you were saying you had this shame and embarrassment and guilt and everything, I think that by making, having this happen, going through all the hell of it, and then coming out and deciding to speak publicly and then help others, it almost forced you to find your voice, you know? And it also at one point forced you into this isolation, which obviously is very lonely and very sad. But I also think the biggest transformations happen within yourself when you're alone. So, you know, all of, like,

Starting point is 01:52:58 obviously that situation with him was a nightmare, was horrible, should never happen to anybody. I think it put you and led you on this path that you probably needed one way or another, maybe not from that. But, you know, it forced you into this, like, almost, like self-reflection and self-transformation. And it, like you said, it made you start doing things you never would have imagined. But I almost feel like it's so empowering because it makes you realize how resilient and strong you are, like in ways that you probably didn't even imagine. And you become that strength and that voice for other women. Because, you know, whether it's a woman that already went through something like this or one that hears your story and then maybe

Starting point is 01:53:42 goes through something years later and it's like, oh, I remember hearing a story. like this or I remember somebody that went through something, you know, just like me or worse than me. And if she could get through it, well, I can get through it. You know, or it just, it encourages other people to use their voice to and to use their story. And that's the whole point, right? Yeah. And I have to say, you know, like losing my parents was hard enough. Yeah. But honestly, I don't think I would have taken the time out of my life, taking a mental health leave just because my parents died. Right. That's weak, right? Obviously, that's ridiculous and I would never think that of anybody else. But I think maybe this just had to happen in order to force me. And yeah, it's,

Starting point is 01:54:28 it's in that self-reflection that everything got so loud for me to say, hey, you're not happy. Here, here, here, and here. Now's the time. Yeah. You're already at your lowest point. Right, because I think it, and you faced a moment. in your life when you had the decision to end it all or change it all. Yeah. And thankfully, amazingly. Here we are. Yes.

Starting point is 01:54:55 Here we are. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, it was, so that was 2023. So it's just over two years ago that this was all unfolding. So with your podcast, that's fully released. Do you do anything else with it? Yes.

Starting point is 01:55:15 So, um, season one is just my story. Got it. And it's long and it's cringy and detailed. Very detailed. And, um, the plan had been that season two would be the wife's version. That's changed. Um, not everybody heals the same way. Not everybody wants to put energy into that.

Starting point is 01:55:37 So a lot of people want that side of things. So maybe if, if we can make this happen on Netflix, that would happen. but I've had a lot of people reach out to me, though, that have heard my story in a variety of different ways. And so I've decided to start a season two, and I start sharing other people's stories. So right now I just have one person's story whose name happens to also be Ali, but the plan is to provide a safe platform for people to share their story. It doesn't have to be the exact same as mine. It can be, you know, much like what you're doing. It's just offering a space for people to feel heard, feel seen, feel supported. Because these situations are super lonely. And maybe if people

Starting point is 01:56:30 start talking about things a bit more, there'll be less judgment around it. And maybe, maybe you don't ever find yourself in a situation like mine. But maybe somebody in your life, has a piece of my story. Maybe in hearing my story, you know now how to show up for them. Maybe instead of criticizing them for making these stupid decisions, maybe you ask how you can support them. Yeah. You know, because everybody's so quick to victim blame and shame.

Starting point is 01:57:07 It's not what we need. No. And I, you know, judgment is, it's a funny thing because I think, like you said, people are so quick to do it and they don't ever actually take a second to think like what if I was in that situation and I don't even think by thinking that way you can actually know unless you're in it what you would do and not only that but I think too your story serves as like this way to maybe not to cause people to have this wall or this guard up but to maybe just have those thoughts in the back of your mind of like let me be prepared because I mean I really hate to say it there are good women

Starting point is 01:57:43 and men out there, there are, they're harder to find. But manipulators and narcissists and these calculated people that want to hurt people and want to solely for their own benefit, they are out there. And I think that it should be discussed. And there's a way to, like, have your heart open, but also to protect yourself in a way. And I think that's important because not, like you said, not everybody has the same heart as you. Unfortunately. No. And I have to say like the biggest, the most common piece of feedback I get is I was yelling at my device listening, like yelling at you. Why are you ignoring this? I was mad at you. I was thinking you're an idiot. But by the end, I just, I saw myself in you. And I feel so bad for you.

Starting point is 01:58:35 And I'm so fucking proud of you because you chose yourself and you stood up. And so, yeah. Again, that's just the whole point is I just, I think that we all, nobody's life is perfect. And it's, it's always easy to think that we know better than others. But anyway, my new life mission is to help people get through their darkest moments and come out the other side. You know, my coaching is focused on resilience and reinvention. I, I, yeah. Well, and I'll definitely get it. that I would, I'll definitely link all of that so that if any, so if people wanted to use you for

Starting point is 01:59:19 like any coaching and stuff, is it just a link that people can? Yeah. So what I'll give you is like my website and my Instagram and then they can just reach out to yeah. And even if, well, and the podcast thing, but even on the podcast notes, it says how to get a hold of me. But hopefully you can weave this all together so that it makes sense. You did amazing.

Starting point is 01:59:39 It was so. Thanks. I'm so fucking sweaty. Are you? Well, it's no. You know what it's like. No, no, it's emotion. No, I know.

Starting point is 01:59:46 You did amazing though. And I, like, I followed along perfect. It was, nothing was confusing. Nothing felt. That's why I like to go into things blindly because I'm like, I know if I can follow along and hear it. Yes, others can. You did amazing.

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