We're All Insane - I Was Abducted by Aliens

Episode Date: September 2, 2025

#podcast #foryou #sponsored #ad #oneskinpod  15% off OneSkin with the code DEVORAH at https://www.oneskin.co/  JASPER | https://jaspr.co CODE INSANE for $300 off Michelle was abducted by aliens as a child—experiments, rituals, and dark agendas she couldn’t understand until years later. Through flashbacks, meditation, and plant medicine, she uncovered the truth behind those experiences and turned them into a path of healing. Now a psychic energy healer, she works to remove implants, clear entities, and free trapped souls—helping people reclaim their sovereignty and break free from the Matrix. Michelle's Links: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/michellemarielarson Booking Links: https://calendly.com/mmlarson  Newsletter: https://view.flodesk.com/pages/643cb6e41461ab327f933fd7 00:00:00 What can childhood fears reveal about deeper experiences? 00:01:11 How are night terrors different from regular nightmares? 00:02:34 What does it feel like to leave your body while awake? 00:03:41 Why are some people fascinated with aliens from a young age? 00:04:13 How can certain spaces hold heavy or strange energy? 00:05:31 Why do some pets sense spirits that humans cannot? 00:07:27 What signs might suggest experiences with alien abduction? 00:08:29 Why is safety such a core theme in spiritual experiences? 00:09:20 Can a spirit be bound to protect a house? 00:10:02 Do spiritual gifts attract outside attention? 00:11:14 What is the difference between spirits and aliens? 00:12:19 Are all beings simply forms of energy? 00:13:06 What happens after clearing a spirit from a house? 00:14:02 What are portals and how do they affect a home? 00:15:15 Why does sage sometimes act differently in different rooms? 00:16:39 How can someone learn spiritual protection? 00:17:11 Why do spiritual experiences intensify during pregnancy? 00:18:10 What kinds of groups are said to visit humans spiritually? 00:19:17 Why is it hard to permanently close an energy portal? 00:20:24 How can spirits and energies impact children? 00:22:10 Why do temporary fixes with energy sometimes fail? 00:23:07 What can chakra readings reveal about a person? 00:25:30 How do people discover their ability to sense energy? 00:28:38 Why is awareness more powerful than fear in spirituality? 00:30:12 How do children show signs of psychic ability? 00:31:46 How can young children describe spiritual beings? 00:32:36 What role can plant medicine play in healing? Topics: Aliens, Abductions, Spirituality, ET, Entities, Implants, Awakening If you have a unique story you'd like to share on the podcast, please fill out this form: https://forms.gle/ZiHgdoK4PLRAddiB9 or send an email to [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey guys, it's me DeVora. I just dropped an all new bonus episode inside my new subscription channel, We're All Insane Plus. This week's bonus episode is called My Brain was slipping into my spine. Listen now by subscribing to We're All Insane Plus inside your Spotify or Apple Podcasts app or go to we're all insane.com. Hello, I'm Michelle Larson and I am an energy healer. I do quantum energy healing in very deep realms. And my experience that I'm going to share here is kind of what brought me to that depth of healing that I provide for others. And then also my childhood experiences that really made that crystalline. Yes. I'm so excited. Yeah, people were like, why are you going out there? And I was like, talk aliens. Yes, I love it. I'm so excited. All right,

where does it begin? Tell us. Yeah. So my story from what I can remember, of childhood. So my memories of childhood are very, were very splotchy, but they didn't really make sense. So I was very scared of anything flying above. I hated sleep, even as a baby, never slept. And so my mom was just like, whatever, you just didn't sleep. You were nothing like your sisters. You'd just go in there, you're wide awake, et cetera, et cetera. And then kind of came in like the weird, nervous, not sleeping things, but then like night terrors were happening a ton. And I would, we grew up in like a two-story farmhouse with a basement. Okay. And we slept on the top level. And like I'd wake up in the basement, just screaming bloody murder. So you would wake up and you were like kind of like

you slept to walk and you would end up downstairs. Basically. So we think. Okay. So we think. Yeah. Okay. Did you see anything? Not really. Okay. Not really. This is where it was like kind of weird, but it was just these weird little, like, things that, like, just happened to me. You know, it's like none of my other sisters had it. Like, I was only one who had night terrors. And they're very different than nightmares because you're, like, in a full state. Okay. So, like, a nightmare, you're kind of just like, oh, like, I'm kind of shook and that was scary,

but you're kind of like, oh, right, I'm here, I'm here. I'm here. They're like, it's so weird that this would happen. So this is kind of like this pattern. Like, you hate sleeping, you keep having these night tears, blah, blah, blah, blah. You have all these other weird things that nobody's talking about, especially in the 90s. Nobody validated anything. Right. You don't talk about anything.

Then kind of fast forward to, oh, man, let me know this be around when my husband and I bought our first house. It was a very active, spiritually active household. So there's a whole gap. Huge gap. nothing happened? Not, yeah, not really. Okay. Not memorable.

So did you kind of just grow out of the night terrors, would you say? Yeah. They definitely like went away for a while. Got it. Okay. Even though like I was still very deeply fascinated with like, what's in outer space? And now I know I was like astro traveling. Like I just sit in class and like zoom all the way out and just like go float up in space

because I'm like bored of whatever we were studying at the time. Now I'm like, oh, I was like actually like zooming out of my body. Like, I was leaving to just, like, float around. But I just thought it was, like, this weird, cool thing I could do with my eyes. That is crazy. Okay. So that pattern had stuck through all of grade school, even in high school. Like, I would just sit and kind of like, oh, I'm going to zoom out.

And sometimes I could just zoom out, like, way out of a room and shrink everything. And sometimes I could zoom out of, like, buildings and then go up and up. And so that was always just like, I don't know, again. So that was, like, enormous to you. Yeah. I was like, nobody's talking about it. Like, nobody's asking. Like, I just thought this was a thing everyone could do.

Yeah. So a huge gap goes by. But definitely, like, always had that weird fascination with, like, what's out there? Like, my third grade birthday party, which I never had a birthday party, but, like, planned one for third grade, which is funny. My best friend and I wanted to do, like, fake alien abductions. So we were like, this is going to be so funny, we're to scare everyone. Never had it. But my favorite shows were, like, the X-Files and, like, just all the weird shows that you probably shouldn't be watching when you're, like, 10 years old.

but like, okay, it's like my favorite shows. So then flash forward to like early 20s, I think that'd be about the right time frame. A lot of spiritual stuff started happening again. So we got our first house, then I was seeing more things. And I'd always had growing up a sense of energies where I'm like, that house is weird, that basement's weird. Like, why do I always feel like I have to run out of there? Like this just isn't something about that space is just not cool, not vibe in, but whatever.

I'm just going to, like, move on or just, like, stay awake. And so I just wouldn't sleep at friends' houses either. Yeah. Which I kind of got uninvited to a few friends' houses because of that. They were like, this girl's so weird. She didn't sleep. What the heck is going on with this girl? We can't invite her over.

It freaks us out. Which I didn't know until, like, five years ago. Mm-hmm. That parents, like, kicked me out kind of because of that. It's crazy. Don't invite her to the cabin. She doesn't sleep. Like.

So would you just, like, lay there awake? Yeah. Okay. Or I'd go, like, wander around or just like. Do your own thing. Yeah. lay on, you know, for someone's cabin, like, I'd lay on the dock and, like, stare at the stars or just like, I don't know, see what's happening. You would think, though, that, like, instead of somebody just being like, oh, don't invite her, they'd be like, are you okay?

You know? You know? No, I guess not. I guess, like you said, too, like with the time being, you know, when it was, people really, I guess, wouldn't ask or speak up. And, I mean, even now, some people still wouldn't. I know. So that's sometimes where I look back on some of these things where I'm like, if my nieces or nephews were doing these things. Would I be like, is everything okay?

Or like, do you notice this pattern with so and so and so and so? Yeah, just to like figure it out. Why not? Okay. Yeah. So then we move into this house. It's super, I'm like, I'm seeing shadows. I'm seeing figures.

There's weird things. I can send stuff. Like at this point in my astrology, there's like a ton of like alien hits and things and activities to which I have no idea about. I didn't even think. I think I knew my Zodiac. sign. That's about as far as I like got into the spiritual realm. And I knew crystals and like tarot cards. It was like about it. But like I was seeing these things, sensing these things. I'm like, this is weird.

And then it just started to get like weirder. And we got a puppy. Like we already had our one dog. But then we got another dog. And she was super aware of like everything that was happening. Yeah. She would chase spirits. She would like pin on something. And then like it unless I sageed or like commanded it out or did. I'm like, this is so weird. Now, did you have, were you just having these experiences and kind of going about your life? Or did you, was it kind of interrupting your day to day in the sense of did you kind of feel like negative energy and darkness when you would come into contact, I guess, with these things? Yeah, it definitely was disruptive to life because it'd be like, oh, we're just hanging out. And then it'd be like, whoa. Like, and only the dog and I were the ones noticing it.

Okay. So like our older male dog could have cared less. Uh-huh. still could care less. My husband was kind of like, I don't know. Maybe that was the wind that shut that. Maybe it was like a shadow or the sun. And we're like, both her and I are like hair up.

This is weird. Wow. And the first few like occurrences of it weren't super nefarious or scary. They were just kind of like, that's weird. Okay. They don't feel good, but they weren't like, I feel threatened either. And so that and that was kind of interesting. Had an energy healer from like a friend of a friend who's like,

oh, you got to see this person. Like, we saw him after her husband died and, like, you know, you should have her do a reading. And then it was inside of that. She's like, oh, I don't know how to say this to you, but like, you've been abducted by aliens. And I was like, what do you mean? Like, that actually felt so true in my body. It wasn't like, oh, we're just going to tell you, project you something. But I was like, oh, I can actually line up my whole life and see how that makes sense.

Where I was like, oh, would that be like? because she's like it started really early like a child she's like how is your sleep how is your this how is you that and i was like let me tell you like i didn't sleep and i hate i still don't like sleep you know like i really hated it and i was like at all these night tours all these things and she's like yeah that's when it started and i was like so did she give you an explanation of anything or did you have to kind of dive in on your own the only thing she told me at that time like once she was kind of like oh okay i'm glad this isn't throwing your whole world out of She's just kind of like, oh, like it made my whole life made sense.

So I was like, oh, like, I get it now. Like, maybe I'm not crazy or maybe I am crazy, but for a good reason. Yeah. Or I'm like, okay. But she just said, like, they were testing you. And so they were like taking you up and making you watch these things and testing you. And then they'd send you back. And I was like, well, that makes sense because like I was continuing to come back.

But like definitely had that fear of things flying over. just like wasn't like I really couldn't trust. She's like safety is such a big thing for you. And I was like what is safe. Like what is safety? I don't know what that is like in any realm. You know like there are so many things physically happening in childhood too that just kind of coupled in that like physical, emotional, spiritual just like shut down.

You're just like, I don't know what safety is. Right. So then flash forward to when all this is happening in the house, she's kind of like, you're in this weird portal where like they're trying to communicate again. They're trying to like kind of get access to you. but in this house there's some spirit that was bound to the house to protect it. So she's like, this is our first, like, we got to clear this and move this. And so I had so many sessions with her, like, trying to get this house, like, settled and

figured out. And we released that spirit who was bound to protect the house against her free will, which I now know. Back then I didn't know. I was just kind of like, weird. She was bound to the house. Like, should we have left her there if she was protecting it? Like, why was she protecting it?

But I'm like, oh, it's against her free will. And that's like, it's not universal law. You can't do that. So let me ask you a quick question. Yeah. So I think I kind of, I have my own thoughts on it, but I think to just to clarify for some people. So what happened to you when you were a child was being abducted by aliens? Do you think that that's why you were able to do like the Zoom Out thing and kind of you were more sensitive to spirits and stuff?

or do you think naturally you just kind of had that? I think that it is probably because I had those gifts that I was targeted. Okay. So kind of like, oh, we see like you could think of it as like a light. Like, oh, we see this bright light, like star seed. We see this, you know, trend, not like transcended soul, but star seed soul. From somewhere else came and dropped in. Let's see what we can do with them now that they're in their human form.

Let's see what's going to happen here. Got it. Okay. So I think that they're fully related in that way more than like, oh, like I have an implant that they put in because that's something that I have seen with certain clients is like they'll get abducted for whatever reason, usually because they're a bright light. And then they want to like harvest or use their gifts and abilities so they'll put an implant in there and then it heightens everything. Like they can kind of dial that sensitivity up or down based on the group that installs. it more than the individual. And then my second question, that made sense.

Thank you. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. My second question was when you started having the experiences with the spirits in this house, those spirits were they separate from the aliens? Two different things? The first, like, woman spirit or lady spirit that was protecting the house was

completely unrelated. So some might consider that more like ghost. spirit. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And then there were other things that you were seeing that were those aliens again trying to get back into. Yeah. Got it. Okay. I just wanted to clarify. I wanted to make sure I'm on the same page here. Got it. It like moves around a lot in the story. So I'm glad you clarified that. Yes. Well, no, because I know like I believe all this stuff very much so, but I know for some people they might hear like alien spirit. They might combine it all in one. Yeah. But I feel like it's important to like understand the different aspects of things.

You know, because I think, too, so many people don't think this stuff is real, which is crazy to me. They think it's as simple as like, oh, we're just human and we live here. But no, no. I don't agree with it. Yeah. And to the purest of form, we're all energy. Right. So it's like, it is funny when we're like, oh, like, when we break it down to like the brass t, it's like, well, like, is it an alien?

Is it an E.T? Is it an alien? Is it a ghost? Is it a spirit? Like, are they, they're just energy? Yeah. in that way and so then we kind of like as humans really want to put things in boxes right to like understand it more okay you can handle ghost because that sounds like a past or a dead person but

extraterrestrial that sounds like another planet that's way too big sounds like a green creature that people are like now right they're like we think of the movie alien and like yeah nobody wants that exactly okay so did the energy healer was that successful were you able to like clear out yes at least so the first First gal we did remove from the house. Like we like unbound her. And then and this is where it got like really crazy and weird and like kind of like more dark and twisted like in a manipulative sense because we removed her.

And then it like felt a little bit better. And and all the while like I was slowly like getting more into spirituality. Right. Where I'm like, oh, I'm going to start saging. I'm going to start like had my first like Oracle deck. You know what I'm starting to play with some of these things. things, which, like, helped me have a better sense of, like, oh, what's going on here? I can control this energy.

It was definitely a good empowerment phase, even though I was, like, constantly being bombarded with all these energies. Yeah. But then they started to mess with the dog. And, like, that was super interesting. This was definitely part of, like, you could say, like, alien attack on her. So it would, like, she'd be walking in the house and there were only certain spots they could kind of access, which we later revealed were because of a port.

underneath of the house with six of them. That's crazy. It was insane. We could not wait to like salad move and like leave this house. Oh, I'm sure. But all the while I'm so grateful that like it really prepared me and gave me like a full grasp of everything that's out there. But there were these certain spots in the house and she'd be walking and they'd pull her

feet out. Like it looked like the rodeo where it's like hogtie their feet or with and all of a sudden she just boom, lose her feet. Boom. Now would your husband see that? He would. Okay. This is when he started to like, something's wrong here.

Something's happening. He's like, okay, maybe you're not crazy. Yeah. Like, you two must be seeing something. And then he would almost come up to me and be like, it's kind of time for you to do that smoke thing. Right. Do that sage thing. Get your sage out.

Yeah. Like, and then we both kind of chuckle at different areas of the house where it's like, I don't know if you've ever smudged or saged or done any of those. But it's like it will have, at least in my experience, have like a different life form. based on what I'm clearing. Got it. Or I'm like, is it super smoky? Is the ember beautiful?

Does the, is my lighter lighting? There'd be some spots in the house it wouldn't light at all. Like it would be poof, poof. And it's like, there's nothing different about this room from yesterday, except there's just not lighting today. So we're kind of like, oh, is that like the density of that energy? Like, what is going on here? And then she, the dog, would chase these energies out and around the whole house until I, like, opened a window or cracked a door. So I was like, oh, like, she's showing me.

am I effectively clearing this energy or not. Yeah. But it would keep coming back in. And I had no sense of spiritual hygiene or protection at this point. Like I wasn't reading other people. But it definitely was like wide open, here I am. Like, come on in. Wow.

And so that was some of the more like really intense things where it was just kind of like, and then they'd wake her up at night. They'd drive her crazy. She'd bark. Like she was really neurotic. Yeah. And I feel like too, this was still. like so in the beginning for you that you probably like didn't even know what was really

happening yet. And like you said like how to protect yourself and do things I guess properly you could say. Yeah. That's crazy. Yep. So we're saging it and and she would help me like move these energies out. Okay. And so that's that's kind of in that like oh like I have I have some control here. But like I said like I don't have I didn't have an understanding of like how to protect the house. And so a lot of this was like trial. an error, trial and error, trial and error. And I'm a three, five in human design. So that's like, it's part for the course. Like, you're supposed to just fail all the time. And, um, yeah, and it was just like keeping her up and keeping us up and like constantly spirits would

just like be waking me up and like either trying to hand me things or trying to like throw thoughts into my mind or just like it was just so much. Yeah. It's a lot. It's, it's draining, I feel like to your energy and, you know, it's like, especially if you're not getting sleep, I mean, everyone knows, too. Like, you're going to be depleted all the time. All the time. And then I was pregnant with my first son. And then it was like these like floodgates opened of like onslaught.

And then this energy healer, again, like I worked with her so much because we'd see so much progress. And then it would be like a different group or a different set or a different thing that would kind of come in. Again, like, I didn't know anything about protection. So now I'm like, maybe this would have been so different. Yeah. But I'm like, okay, this is how I had to learn how to protect. And now I can just share to protect and maybe people won't have these experiences. Or if they are having the experiences and they don't really know what's going on. Right. Like, hello. Wake up. It's like, hey. Yeah. This is real. This is happening. So when I was pregnant with him and our three souls like had had

a past life together and like based on the events that happened quite pretty dramatically in that past life, it was like an access point for these groups. Okay. To like come in. And so they're like, oh, like they're here and there was like one prominent like leader of these groups. And at this time, like this energy healer wasn't like, it's the Arcturians and typically not really doing nefarious business, but they can. You know, or like this is the grays or this is reptilians. This is, you know, like that all came much later on my path of like identification who's doing what. Why are they doing what they're doing? Is it good? Is it bad? Et cetera. Yeah. But just like there's a scoop.

They're kind of like trying to box, you know, put like a grid over your house to like keep you guys trapped in here. And we used to call it. My sister used to come over all the time. Like the Bermuda Triangle. We're like, our brains go numb here. And we're like, we have all these beautiful ideas. We're going to, whatever we get home to like work on them. And like, I'm like, what's happening?

Like, why are we like brain zapped out when we're in this house? Like also weird. Yeah. But also part of that kind of energy aspect. So before I had him, we had a ton of work. we came, the energy that came, we saged, we drummed, we moved, like, we tried to shut down the portals, which they kept reopening, which I now know is because we didn't go all the way back to, like, when they were established. It's kind of like in the realm of energy, time doesn't

exist. And so if you, you know, kind of like shut something down, it could just be reopened in the time that it was opened, and then, like, reformed here today. So it's like, I always want to do things from, like, Rotechaz, moment of inception to whenever. we are now in current reality, so to speak, or like in this right now reality. Yeah. And that way. So we're trying to shut those down. That wasn't working at all. That felt a little bit better for a while, but still a little bit crazy. We just kind of had different hacks that we would like deal with these energies with. We had little like rugs or towels we'd lay around the house for the dog so she could walk without getting yanked out.

There were rooms she just wouldn't go into, refused to, no matter how much we cleared it. She's like, we'll not go in that room. I'll just sit here and bark if you're in there or like chase things around. She was kind of like our little radar detector. Yeah. How crazy is it right now? How good is it? Like, is she good?

As long as we have those bridges up, like life would be good until they started messing with her more. Yeah. But that was like the weirdest that it had ever gotten at that point. And how long did that go on for? Four years? Wow. Okay. And like it's high with two.

Two of them? No, maybe only like a one and a half. of them being with my first kiddo, like in the house. Okay. And then he was like being woken up. Like we would hear like these giant footsteps upstairs and like it's just the baby. You know, we're like who else is up there? And like the dogs are sleeping on the couch with us.

We had like a split level house. So we were in the basement like watching TV or doing something. And then we'd hear this loud noise. And then we're like, baby's sleeping. Who's walking? Yeah. What is going on? Or we hear him like make noise.

noise or whatever, and he'd be like staring at something in the corner and just like shaking. I'm Anna Garcia, host of True Crime News, the podcast. Every week, we bring you in-depth coverage on cases making headlines as well as those that go under the radar. Tune in for murders that defy explanation, mystery seeking exploration, and shocking secrets that will leave you breathless. Each week, we honor the victims by going beyond the salacious in our search for justice. Crime never stops, and neither do we. Listen to True Crime News. is available now wherever you get your podcasts. Hi guys, today's episode is sponsored by OneSkin.

Okay, so you know when you find a skincare product, that is just so good, and it actually works that you don't even want to share it because it just feels like the world's best kept secret. Well, let me fill you in. I won't keep the secret. That is exactly how I feel about One Skin. They are the world's first skin longevity company, and instead of just masking the signs of aging, they actually are targeting the skin at a cellular level, which is,

super deep in there, and it keeps your skin looking and acting younger for longer. What makes them different is their patented OS01 peptide, which is actually the first ingredient, and it is proven to target the root cause of skin aging, and this is backed by real science with multiple clinical studies. I've been using their body lotion, and let me just tell you, I am all about a good hydrating, firming, smoothing, all of the above body lotion. I feel like a lot of us are told to take care of the skin on our face, but we oftentimes neglect our body, our chest, and that is just as important. My favorite areas to use the body topical supplement that I have noticed the biggest change

is both on my chest and on my legs. I feel like the skin just always looks hydrated, it looks youthful, and I am genuinely convinced at this point that my skin is aging in reverse. One skin is the world's first skin longevity company, targeting cellular aging to keep your skin and scalp looking and acting younger for longer. For a limited time, you can try OneSkin with 15% off using code DeVora at OneSkin.com. That is O-N-E-S-K-I-N-D-C-O with code DeVora. And after your purchase, they will ask you where you heard about them.

So please support the show. Tell them I sent you. I promise you your skin, your future self will thank you. You will not regret it. And now back to the episode. Hi, guys. Today's episode is sponsored by Jasper. Okay, so I just moved into a new house and if any of you have moved before, then I am sure you can relate to all the new fumes, the smells, whether it's new paint, new furniture, chemical fumes.

If you're moving into an older house, maybe it's some dusty air vents. Overall, we just don't know what we're breathing in and that's why I decided to get Jasper and let me just tell you, I am literally obsessed and this is not just some cute air purifier that I got for my house. This is a medical grade air scrubber, which means it is not just filtering the air. It is actually scrubbing it clean. So anything like smoke, mold spores, VOCs, chemical fumes, all gone. It is scrubbing it clean. And now we can breathe some fresh air. And as you guys have seen, and I talk about them literally all the time, I have many animals in my home.

So it actually makes me feel a lot more comfortable and safer, knowing that the air I'm breathing in is clean and safe for not only me, but also my amazing fur babies. So that being said, if you want to try Jasper, they actually gave me a code for $300 off. All you have to do is use code insane at jasper.co. That is insane. I-N-S-A-N-S-A-N-E at Jasper. J-A-S-P-R-C-O for $300 off. And I promise you, you will not regret it. Your air will be scrubbed, clean, fresh, filtered, and you will feel a lot more safer and comfortable in your environment too. And now back to the episode. So then he started to have all these really weird experiences. And he'd talk to things.

He'd get like stone cold frozen with things. Like he hated sleep. Never wanted to sleep. Like was definitely having some sort of experience. Like I don't know what you'd say. And then between he and the dog, they were now our new radars. Yeah. So that was a good like two years with him around in that house.

So I'd say, yeah. The full five. had experiences, but hardcore what the dog was four, then with him, about two of that. Okay. And then at this point, were you thinking, like, we need to move out of here? Yeah. Okay. So I was like, we can't live like this. Like, one, I need sleep. I'm like, this baby's like 18 months old and like not even a baby anymore, but I was like, we are still sleeping like we're newborns. Yeah. And it's scary because you don't know if it's going to get worse or what's going to, you know what I mean? I just, I feel like it's so it's there, but it's not. Like, it's not something you can

directly control. It's like it almost seemed like you were able to put these band-aids on it to like fix it temporarily. But then it's like it just comes right back up. Yeah. And it kind of was like for the dog and I, it's like we could deal with it. But then once it started to like impact the baby, we're like, he's way too little. Like this can't. We cannot have this like impact his whole life and the way that he is. And we're just like, okay, what is happening? Yeah. And so yeah, that went on for that chunk of time. And that was kind of just like the little cycle we were in. It's just like you clear the house, you cleanse the house. It gets good for a minute. And then it gets crazy and you just do it again. And then it gets crazy. And like, so it was helpful, but not. You know, like you said,

just these little band-aids. Yeah. That would kind of move on to that. And then, man, I'm like, then what happened? Like, we sold the house. We moved. Found a new house. And then everything was pretty good. but I was like very much in this time of like selling to moving into the new one like and even maybe now this had to have been once I had my kiddo so probably a year before we sold that house I had started to do like energy healing and readings more readings than healing but I was just kind of like oh basic chakra reads and then I was seeing a ton of this stuff coming up for people and like what like we're just doing chakras like is it. it open? Is it closed? Does it have a color? You know? So let me pause you. Yeah. When you said that you

would see things, like visions or what kind of like, how would they come to you? Yeah. A lot of visions, I guess. Like I do have that like clairvoyance. My strongest psychic sense is clear cognizance. So it's just kind of like this knowing. And then through that knowing, I'd ask to have it confirmed through like a site. And so it's like it comes in that way. It's just like, boom, like, whoa, this is what is happened to you or this is what's going on here. and then I'm like confirm with some sort of image that I can like help relate for my client. Okay. And at this point you're not, so were you doing like the card readings too or this was mainly just like the energy reading, healing type of thing?

Just energy reading and healing. It's crazy. Okay. Yeah. And you definitely have it obviously a gift. Yeah. Which had only come up in a reading with like another psychic that I'd had. I had an energy healer and then like I had some psychic readings.

And she was just like, do you know how gifted you are? because you're wasting it. So like, wake up and start using this or like don't, but realize what a sad thing that is for you in this lifetime if you don't do it. She's like, it's your choice, free will. And people don't realize like how powerful they really are either. Like a lot of people don't even realize like if you just silence and listen to yourself, but everybody wants to sit alone.

No. It's scary for people. And then sometimes you're like when you sit alone, And then you're like, then you really do feel crazy. Yeah. Whoa. I'm sensing that. I'm seeing this.

That is wild. Yeah. I want you to do one on me. I would love to. Yes. We can set that up. That would be fun. So at that point, I started to open that door to like my actual spiritual gifts.

And then how I can move the energy because as I kept working with like the energy healer and the psychic reader, I was like, I can sense and feel this stuff. Like nothing you're, it's not in a bad way, but. nothing that they were showing or telling me was stuff I couldn't like already sense. You just can't put that like pulse on it. It's like, oh, oh, that's kind of cool. Then, you know, insert like, hey, by the way, you can do this. Like, what are you doing, pretending you can't? I'm like, oh, okay.

So I started doing that, started seeing all these patterns, all these connections. I'm like, well, this is kind of cool. So it just was like spiritual awakening, like in this very short and condensed like five years of like, I know what a crystal is, but I can't tell you what it is. Here are some Oracle cards, I think. You know, like I use tester model from a store to like, oh, now I can read and heal energies, like very, very quickly. So I feel super grateful for like that giant portal, like, time six. That was under that old house because it really like moved things fast.

But then there were still a lot of like questions and the safety felt better, but it still kind of felt like this like, am I actually safe? Am I not safe? Like, what are we doing? the experiences for my son, like, were still happening. So there was still like this level of like, oh, like the more I grew in sovereignty or protection, you could say. It's like, why is it still happening to him? Even in the new house?

Yes. Okay. So got better. Did they attach to him? Yeah. It's like, did they attach to him? Is it because of things I'm doing? Is it like certain clients I have?

Maybe I was doing really big work at that time. I'm just now still doing that work. But at that time, I was doing really big work without. a lot of protection. So it's like to go in and do these like massive quantum detangling and kind of cut off these like power systems and power grids that feed a lot of these like, I don't know, giant energy sources, you could say, nefarious sources. You want to do that in a very sacred, protected.

Absolutely. Like short and condensed way. And I wasn't quite doing that. Yeah. And obviously that's on such a bigger level. but I don't even think people realize, you know, that's as simple as like when you walk into a room and you're around people and you just feel bad energy, it's like it is draining. It is. And that's why, I mean, I always say to people, like, it is so important who you surround yourself with and where you put your energy and what you give it out to and why it's so important to like almost, I mean, like for me, like mentally I kind of like put this bubble around me.

So it's like, you know, I'm like, it's so fun. I was even saying a couple weeks ago because I had my plant down here. I was like, damn, like my poor plant, I'm thinking to myself, like, everybody's sitting here telling these like really intense stories. I got to move my fucking plant. Because, like, people don't realize, though, it's like, it sounds fun. Like some people that don't believe it, they'll think it's like, oh, she's a crazy person. But like, you get it. But no, I'm like, my, like, either my plant needs protection or she needs to go upstairs because she needs a safe environment because it is.

It's very heavy energy. And I don't think people realize that unless right, unless you do have, I think, the awareness of it and the, correct way to protect yourself and your own energy it can, like, kind of feed off you and take away from you as well. Yeah. And it's, and it's like this beautiful fine line in like, kind of like spiritual awareness, psychic development, like it's somewhere in here of like ignorance or fear. Yeah. And like it's more dangerous to be ignorant and pretend like it doesn't exist. But you can't let fear consume you either. It's like actually we just get to have the awareness that like actually there's just a lot of like negative energy that comes out.

when we're hanging out with this person or when we're telling that story, when we're sharing this or we're doing that, like, oh, great. Now that I know that, right, I'm not ignorant to it. It's like, now I know that. I don't have to be scared of it, run and hide and cower, but I just get to like armor up, cleanse, do my thing. Like, I love that you've been brought into the bubbling because it's like one of the, like, first tools that, like, I teach anyone who's, like, sensitive at all to energy. It's just, like, protect your own. And it's not from fear. It's like, because you know that you are. Yep.

It's like that I am presence, you know, like I am. So I just like keep my energy clear and you can still feel with people. You can still be there for them. It's not like you're this stone bowl. You're just not consuming it. Yeah. You don't need to carry other people's energies. Exactly.

Yeah. Like the empath is to sponge it all up. But that's like the bottom of the spiritual totem pole. Right. So it's like you get to work your way up and still be super compassionate, empathetic, but without the sponge factor. Absolutely. Like, don't sponge it. Don't sponge it up.

No. Don't take it home. Yeah. You don't have to do that. Yeah. So all of that's happening. Like, and it was getting pretty bad. Like, my son was definitely having night terrors.

Like, by this point, I had another child. And, like, he was having experiences not to the degree that my oldest was. And it was, like, 20, 30 minutes of, like, trying to get him to come back. And it's like, I can tell and sense, like, he's not here. but like he's totally being attacked from all these different levels. And I had a few different like friends who are psychics or psychic readers. They're like, they found you again. You just need to move.

And I was like, where are we going to move? Like, where are we going to find us? Right. Can't keep moving. It's not like I moved that far from our first house to the second house or you know. But still, like, that's crazy. I'm like, okay. And for a while I really believed that. Like I was like, okay, this is true. We got to like move to the mountains and like low tech.

Right. know anything, you know, but then I was just like, there's something that doesn't feel right in that either. Yeah. But then there were still just all these, like, big question marks where I was like, why is this happening and where is this happening from? And like, how can I do this big work while keeping my family safe? And like, all of that was still just like super, super unclear. Yeah. And all the while I was just like, I'm not, I'm not convinced that I have to move. But I am convinced something has to change. Because like we can't keep getting attacked and inundated and like waking up and like, you know, it's like my husband was seeing things and what happened.

like these visions and images, which was cool because he was finding, like kind of catching on, buddy. Yeah. Like he's like, oh, I saw this like little great alien and like it was kind of chasing me or it was doing this or I woke up to these or, you know, and my oldest at that point had words. He's just like, oh, like my blue buddies. Like my blue buddies were here last night or like, oh, like not the good one. You know, like he'd have these words for like what he was seeing, which is really fun and

exciting to see like these super young psychic children. but then you're like, how do we protect yourself? Protect them. How do we protect ourselves? Encourage them to do it without being fearful. Yeah. But then also you're like, okay, well, maybe don't say that at like daycare because people are they think you're crazy.

Right. What's going on to home? Right, like, who are these people that visit you guys at night? Like, well, we go and we live with aliens. And, you know, it's like, okay, all right, here we go. Oh my gosh. And so that was really funny. And then, let's see.

At some point in that journey as well, I had done plant medicine. So I did like psilocybin. And I did two kind of back to back. So I did like one on a Saturday, the next one on a Tuesday. So like a few days buffer in between it. And then my second journey went through a whole fear process. Can you explain what that is, like the psilocybin too? Yeah.

Yep. So I did plant medicine. Silicin is the type of mushroom. Okay. And it has, you know, psychedelic components and properties. If you take it in enough dosing, like enough grams or milligrams, you can, like, elicit psychedelic experiences. Got it.

Yeah. So people will often say, like, a trip or a journey. So were you doing this with the intention of healing? Mm-hmm. Okay. Yep. With a shaman, with a spaceholder. Like, definitely in, I would say a very well-held space, not just like, it's me and some buddies.

Right. Going out into the woods. Back alley to go. to the bar, whatever, you know, I'm like, yeah. And I had never done anything before this. So what was your first experience like? The first experience was a lot of grief and anger processing. So the shaman that I worked with does a ton with emotions and how to really help them like separate and remove from the body more than just like, here you go on a cool trip. You see what you see. And like we can process later. she's really like we use this plant medicine to access the emotional layers that are buried in the body

and unfuse them. So I had like sadness and anger fused together in a lot of different ways. And you can have, you know, anger, fear, sadness and joy are like your four core emotions. And they can be intertwined in all different ways. So my first one was like the sadness and the anger like separating those. And then once enough of that cleared, then I moved into like more of like a joy, more. of this like kind of like angelic bliss state where I was like singing super high octaves and like I used to sing in high school but like I don't know like I was also or soprano like I was never like the super high soprano or anything like I was like I don't what like I can sing okay that's funny um so that was the first experience and they were kind of like oh like and I had only

signed up for one but they were like maybe because you're the end of your first journey was so expansive if you did a second journey, it could be like a really elevating, like you could maybe tap into Christ's consciousness, like you might be able to do more like spiritual work or just see and play. How long is a journey, is each journey usually? Like how long does the medicine last in your system? I think the actual medicine, if I remember correctly, only lasts like four hours. Okay. But I'm sure when you're in that, I could feel either a lot longer or a lot shorter. Yeah. Like the more intense.

parts, but you get there early and you kind of like set your space, you set the altar, you set your intentions, you do all of that, then you like, you know, do your first dose of medicine. You have to wait until it like sits in. You can choose to take more or not. And then there's like processing and we went like well into the next day for like our debrief and processing for it. And then so I was like, okay, sure, I'll go into, I'll go into a second round. Like, why not that sounds fun. Well, I did not go and play in Christ's consciousness or anything like that. I actually went into a fear process. And inside of this, I got a lot of, and I remember like standing in the kitchen, like, and we're like, you know, you'd be like, pick out your little mushrooms and you like say your

little prayers to them. And I remember one of the other participants was just like, oh, like, I'm just so excited. Like, I can't wait for the journey, like to have a good time. And I was just like, please give me what I need. And like, we all were like, ooh, maybe I shouldn't have said that because like it will. Like the medicine will bring you what you need. So I went to these fear processes. And I went into like four or five of them, which I guess is a lot. I don't, I don't know.

I don't like hang out in the plant medicine circles. But I relived all of my abduction experiences in that night. Oh, my gosh. And so so much had then. Again, like it felt like that first initial meeting I ever had with that shaman, she's like, hey, FYI, you've been abducted by aliens. It was like full circle. It came back.

Boom. Like made sense because I had like for a good majority of my life weird random images. And I just could never place them ever. Like I'm like, I don't understand this. Like is that why I'm like afraid of things flying over? Like whatever. Don't think about it. Also like physical realm flashbacks images, things like that where I'm just like,

it's related to that. I don't know. Whatever. leaving it there. And then this, I was like, this fills in that gap because I've been like kind of craving like, well, what did happen? And is it relevant for me to know for my healing or is it not? But why is it so loud? You know, it's kind of like like PTSD victims or people who like seek out EMDR where it's like, do you want to see or do you not want to see? And if you're meant to you, you will or you won't. Right. And so inside of that, we like the first one,

that came through under the plant medicine was 18 months. And like super little, super baby, like in my crib, could see. And like I'd had probably the year and a half leading up to this, like vivid PTSD like flashbacks more than just like these weird images I couldn't place. And so like some of this gets like really scattered because there's so many different like timelines that it hops over. And then it was 18 months. And then I feel like it was probably like two or three and then it was like five, six, seven, eight. Like it was just like something like like boom, boom, boom. And inside of those, which also echoed what the first energy healer told me, but it's like

they'd bring me up. They'd torture people. They'd like also abduct other people. Make me watch. See if I could stop it. See if I could do things about it, which I must not have been able to. Like I think that's why I failed their test. I'm not sure.

And then they'd send me back down. And when you say they would torture people, what would you see them doing? Well, it was throughout the different, like, visions that I'd had in that fear process were, they were all in different locations. So somewhere on ships, somewhere, like, deep underground. Somewhere in, like, more, like, sacred sites. Some were kind of in more of your, like, secret society secret sites. So I was like, oh, we're in, like, this giant cave and this giant thing. But, like, I've been here before.

Like, what is this ritual? and what are these symbols on the wall? And I'm like, is this like, you know, is this free masons? Is this, you know, and like it would kind of come through pretty clear in that. But it was kind of like, oh, like this goes really deep. This goes really far underground or this one's up on a ship. Like the ones on a ship didn't feel as bad as the ones on Earth. Because the ones on Earth were so human-like that you're like, these are like,

I don't know. I feel like it was easier to compartmentalize in the fear processing. even though it was still terrifying. Or I'm like, am I next? Am I not next? I'm watching my friends go away. I'm watching these people. Like, there's so much of this just like.

And it was such a, it like still erases my heart when I think about it. Because it's like I definitely did not sleep or process through the rest of that night. Right. Because it was like. And these beings like did they all look different? They all look different. Did some look like humans? Yeah.

And then like what was the weirdest one that like that looked like? Well, the weirdest one, and this was before plant medicine that had come back. And this is a type of like gray alien, but super tall and skinny. And then really long and balbing fingers. So like they had three this like species of it. And like in at my parents' house, I had like bunk beds. My little sister on the bottom bunk, me on the top bunk. And they were like standing super tall and like staring over me on the top bunk. And like you could just see these giant. fingers, like reaching up and in. And then at one point, I'd shared that with my oldest sister, just in conversation where I was like, oh, my God, I'm the weirdest, like, flashback memory. And she's like, I remember the whole house turning green and being frozen. I was like, what? She's like, yeah, I didn't know you ever needed to know that. And I was like, you've been gatekeeping that. Right. She's like, yeah, I remember not being able to move. And like, so then we were kind of like, is this putting together, like, the knights of the night terrors?

Is this like the whole house is frozen? No wonder nobody could hear me, see me, sense anything. Okay. Right. Which is definitely like the species of gray. So like gray aliens technically are very good at abductions. So they're not always the ones who like do something with the abducted person. But they're super stealthy because they can freeze everything.

They can get you in and out of there. It's just like freeze, button, lift, boop, boop, boop, down to a T. Okay. So they do it a lot. So I was like, is that why they were there? Yeah. Like, I don't know. But just there, it almost reminded me of, um, the movie signs in just like that tall, skinny,

but less reptilian. Got it. More like skinny, weird skin looking tall baldly fingers. And why do you think that they are torturing and doing experiments just to see what we're capable of or? Yeah, there's a few different theories out there. amongst the, you know, star seed or ducty communities of like, what are they doing? Some of it is like on a benevolent side of things, how does the star seed DNA mingle with Earth?

Okay. How does it do in this environment? How does it do with this level of toxicity we have on this planet? How is it doing with the atmosphere? Like there are so many anomalies about planet Earth that everyone wants to study. And even in this is more benevolent side of it, so like a good side of it. mixing different star seed breeds and then having us incarnate as humans to see how we do. Got it.

How do we do when we have anunaki with a, I don't know, Venusian or, you know, a Pleiadian with an Arturian. Like how do those souls do? Are they good? Okay, let's abduct them. Let's see what's happening here. Yeah. And usually those are always following like universal law. So it's not going to be like awful or traumatic. is they're going to make sure you have consent. But even still, there's so many ways to bend consent. But in the benevolent side, it's not going to be awful. It's just kind of like, oh, we might like grab you, pluck you, draw some, you know, DNA and then see what's happening. Okay.

Where on like the nefarious side, it's really to see how far they can stretch the evolution, how far they can expand genetics. The gray aliens have worked themselves out of reproduction. So some believe that they're a future version of humanity with like their GMO, their modifications, their genetic like conglomerates. So they need this like fresh human DNA to actually like create and expand their race. Otherwise they're going to falter. So do you think that they're smarter than us? I just think they're more aware. Okay.

So it's like on one hand, like they're not trapped by like the matrix, you know? Right. There's some of those elements. As human beings, we go through, like, I've seen it as the Arcturian portal, but either way, we go through the veil of forgetting. So you don't remember who you are on a soul level as a human. Whereas they do. And so that is like a leg up. Got it.

It's not necessarily like they're smarter or we're dumber. It's just like they just remember. Different, too. Yeah. Isn't it so interesting. I always think it's so interesting how there are so many people that are so. in tune with themselves and their souls spiritually. And there's some that it's almost like they're just like living in this haze of blindness

of like material world only. Like we're just human like go go, go, go, go. But there is no depth to people. And honestly, it's crazy because like in a lot of people's lifetimes, they never even 1% see or reach that depth. It's so interesting to me. I know. And that's kind of this great debate amongst a lot of people.

I would say more in the new age spirituality, which like has. a lot of flaws. It's like all levels unless we can fully be like conscious and sovereign. But they're like a belief is that like that's part of their path is to not evolve at all. Right. Like we kind of need the full spectrum of people. Yeah. And then there's also in this like planetary expansion and evolution aspect where it's like, oh, we need 40 or 50% 51% to tip. And then this planet evolves into 4D. But like some of the flaws I feel in that are, are really that like we can access. It's like different realms.

We can see different realms if we're open to it. Yep. So do we need to really like shift into 4D or do we just need to slowly evolve? And like the planet's not just going to like change colors overnight. It's like the Wizard of Oz. It's like black and white. And then all of a sudden it has color. Yeah.

Maybe maybe not. Right. But it does take people having awareness, opening their consciousness safely so that they're not manipulated and so that they're not like siphoned off of. Yeah. Because that's another part of that. nefarious side of things is those energies, and this is not just the grays. Like, they just want to figure out how to reproduce again.

Okay. In a nutshell, generally speaking, you know, it's kind of like we could think of different cultures and generalize, but that does not equate for every single individual, you know, or even pocket of that culture. Same goes with different ET races. But in that nefarious side of things, like their systems feed off of like, parasitic energy. And so they need, like, healthy hosts and they need energy to feed them or they will not survive. So some of that requires people to never rise 1% in their consciousness.

Right, right, right. Because they want it to feed their system. Got it. If we can keep them small and trapped and not awake, yeah. Then we have like free lunch. Yeah, you're just using them as a source. Yeah. So why wouldn't we do that, you know? Yeah. Okay. So you, had these memories of like it was you said it was four different times and this was like the fear part of the medicine okay yeah so coming out of that what was that like for you was it just like this awakening moment of like I feel like I know everything that happens to me now or like did you feel like you had a better understanding of yourself I feel like I had a lot I had a few different like emotion states that went yeah because on one hand I was a little bit like what's the point of

earth. Like, I had this really deep, like, are we truly just here to feed this bigger parasitic system? Because, like, what good could actually come from any of this? And why would I see this? And how does this make sense? And it's so temporary. Yeah. And it's like, why do souls get trapped in this loop? So I had a really deep kind of like soul existential. Like, is this really a slave planet? Are we really trapped here? Do we actually have power in? sovereignty. Like, how can this, how can this be? And then like kind of once I get over that, which I think was just still lingering bits of the fear, I was kind of like, okay, this actually makes sense that I would have even knowledge of this, let alone the experience of it, because

this is the depth of healing I now do for people. Where it's like, we're, we're breaking down these loops. We're breaking these contracts because the other thing with universal law, you need consent. But it's not like, hey, do you mind if I siphon your energy for the next 10 eons? it's like it's not that clear. It's just kind of like, do you like that sign? I love that sign. Great. That sign means I get to siphon your energy for 10 eons.

And we don't have awareness to that. Okay. So I was like, oh, this helps me break down those cycles and helps people like really break free so that they can evolve and we can rise like above these systems. So I was like, okay. Yeah. Is this like total recall?

Like, is this one of those moments where you're like, oh, my whole life has not been a lie but hasn't made sense either? And I got it. And so I definitely had that going on where I was like, what's the point? No, no, no. I see the point. And then kind of just like, damn. Like that is so much to have happened like before eight years old.

Yeah. And that's only like one part of like I feel like your experience is like that's like that aspect. But then I feel like the energy healing and all the other things you experience, it's like a whole different understanding and aspect of things. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. And I was just like, is this like, like, really, is this like makes sense? You know, but then I was like, it actually does make sense.

And I could track it back to even clients that I'd have previous to all those, those memories coming back in where I was like, oh, like I was in some sort of cave like that when we were retrieving that soul. Or I was in some sort of, you know, ship doing this work. And like, I'm pretty used to and familiar with a lot of ships and a lot of like underground work. So I do a lot of like soul retrievals or. I've quite a few like infertility people and we'll kind of like find their babies or find their like spirit baby like trapped in these little cycles and systems and things. And I'm like,

oh, this makes sense. I've been there. I've been here. But you only had those abduction experiences up until eight years old. That I recall. Okay. Got it. Yep. Yep. Wow. Okay. So what happened after you did the medicine? The two different journey. Yeah. So after that, then I kind of, I'm like, what did happen after that? Everything unfolded. It felt like so much like introspection and really like thinking. And then like really getting clear on like, this is my soul's purpose. And this is what I'm here to do in terms of energy healing. But then clearly like up against this world of like, how do I keep my family safe? Yeah. So I was like, what's the breakdown? Because I don't want to leave my family. Like, and I've had past lives, like from other readings I've had or even like past life progressions where like I do leave my family to choose work and to do bigger work. And like it's like the mission's so big it's not safe for them.

And I was like, is this my lifetime that I get to break that cycle? Right. Because I get to find the way to do it. And so I changed the whole way that I was doing my sessions with people. It's like I used to do like one hour Zoom sessions and like do them pretty sporadically and just like when they felt better or when they felt off. kind of the same way I used to manage my house where I was like the first house where I was like, oh, the energy's off. We need work.

Great. We'll just coast. You know, it's like bandaid, bandied, bandied. And then I shifted to like this sovereign healer way, which is a way that I learned from a mentor. And it's, it changed everything because I was doing it safely. I was like only doing the work in one spot of my house. I was no longer doing it on Zoom trying to reiterate this like deep level of like spiritual surgery I'm doing while trying to sure that you understand what I'm doing over here inside of one hour to like make you feel

better for the next like two months to then see you again to like oh your life's gone awry yeah so it's like actually doing longer term healing for people where it's like okay we're gonna work together for like three months six months you know however long depending on what we're working on and then going in when I have full strength and energy so it's like kind of on my own time and then just like keeping them like fully in the loop on what's happening but we're not over zoom And so it was just like these couple little buttoned up things that I had to do that really just like kept my energy full in strength. Yeah. So you're not draining yourself.

Yeah. Yeah. Because you can be powerful and have these gifts but still overwork yourself. Yeah. And we see that so often with so many different healers and psychics and readers even where they're just like, oh yeah, if I do more than four a day, like I'm toast for the week or if I do more than this many a day or like. That's how I feel with this sometimes. I'm like, I can't do three people back to back. I'm like, depleted.

I'm like, I don't know how therapists do it daily. Yeah. Yeah. So it's kind of like, and for everybody. You know, it's like we all have our own little like rhythm with it. But it's like, oh, we don't have to drain ourselves completely. Right. Or, you know, go live in the mountains off grid.

Balance. Because otherwise we're getting like attacked. Yeah. Oh, how can I do this? And like, then like, boom. It's like it stopped happening. Like we don't have experiences like that with my kiddos. and I still get to go into like the super deep big work without like.

So for you it was just kind of creating that shift or creating that balance and making that shift in your work. So do you think maybe it was because you were just doing so much of it and you didn't really have an understanding of the protection that things were just kind of like the doors were open for things to just keep coming in? Yes. And doing it in such long sessions, at least for me with the depth that I was doing, didn't allow me to keep like that full shield up. Okay. So it's kind of like I'm like too busy like shielding myself, then doing this work, working with all the teams, doing all the things. But then being like,

okay, pause. So here's what I'm doing. You know, where it's like, and it's, and I work very fast. And I can explain things very well, but it still was like just creating all these weak spots in my field. Yeah. And then you start to work with some of these energies and it pisses them off. Right. We're like poking the beehive, rattling that whole. horn it's nest, however you want to look at it, without any sort of like guard on or regard for the time of day or regard if I have the energy or how many times it was I stung yesterday. You know, it's like none of that. And I'd had like, and I don't think that they were random and just like coincidence, but like

depending on the work I'd do, I'd have really weird experiences like out in the world. Yeah. And so like cars would almost hit me. Cones would fly up out of nowhere. Like, you know, it's like final destination, final fantasy, whatever that one is. where you're like, what, there's a tire rolling down the road? Like, how is this? I'm going to get energy healing to like beef myself back up.

Or I'm just such weird things where you're like, tell me that's not related. Because every time I see this client and do this type of work, like my car gets bumped or this gets hit or I almost. I think it's just because you're working with so much energy. It's almost like everything's like you're like a magnet. Yeah. It's like, hello, I'm a wide open channel. And then you just get, you know, like you said, that magnet energy. And so kind of realizing like, oh, I don't have to do that and I can still be that powerful.

Oh, okay. So it kind of reinvigorated my like trust in myself. Yeah. Like, okay, you're not crazy. And I never really thought I was crazy. But I also didn't know how to share this with people. Like, this is such a weird thing. The thing is, is we live in a world where whether it's a topic like this or anything for that matter.

Yeah. But I think mainly this, in a way, it's still taboo for a lot of people. there are so many people that will call you crazy. Oh, yeah. All the time. Yeah. Even when I'm, because I'm like newer in my spiritual journey, but even like sometimes when I'm like talking to my friends, like I noticed that like to me like I love my meditation

and working with crystals and stuff like that. But I know sometimes like when I talk to my friends, I'm like, I'll joke around and I'm like, here's my selenite wand, like clearing energy and they'll like laugh and whatever else. But like I think it is still so taboo where people just think, oh, it's nothing, you know? And I think that that's okay. You know, we're all in our own paths, but it's very interesting. Like, it's something where you kind of have to be okay with people not believing you,

thinking you're a whack job nutcase. But, you know, at the end of the day, it doesn't affect you in your life. So it's like, you do you all do me. And I'm, yeah. You know, you know what your powers are, I'd like to say. But I have another question for you. Yeah. So you work with crystals.

I do. Okay. So what are your thoughts on them? Like, do you think? I just like, because like I said, I'm still so new and everything. So I just like, I don't know. I want to pick your brain. Yeah.

With stuff like that. I love crystals. I think they're fantastic allies. Okay. I think like essential oils are fantastic allies. Incense. So you think those are good to use like within meditation and stuff. Yeah.

And for protection and things like that. They're great to use. The only time that I feel like they're not great to use is if you feel like you no longer have power if you don't use them. Got it. Like it's like it's an outsource. sourcing, rerouting, like, it's kind of like an addition to things. Okay.

Yeah. Where it's like, ooh, like I'm going to wear Tiger's Eye in my pocket for psychic protection because I know that it helps enhance it. And I know that I'd be okay without it. But also, why wouldn't I use it? It's an ally. It's part of the earth. It's here to help us.

Right. What's your bracelet? This one? Uh-huh. I think it's rose cords. Okay. If I remember right. And then the lava beads.

I just ordered some, so I'm like, I love it. I was looking at it. I was like it has to be something special over there. And then I put my little oils in here. Oh, nice. Oh, amazing. Okay, that's awesome. So it'll have like scent to it.

Uh-huh. Wow. Yeah. Oh, I love that. Okay, I need to get one of those too. Yeah. What was my other question? Do you do meditation?

Like, do? I do. Okay. Yeah. How long do you meditate for would you say when you do? Just varies. It varies. I'm very much like it's very good to meditate every single day.

Mm-hmm. I have two young children in like a crazy life as well. But I do meditation almost all day when I'm in sessions for people. So there's that energy too. But I want whenever I teach people or help guide and counsel and all that, I'm like, you have to find a rhythm that works for you. Yes. So it's like maybe in the beginning it does look like setting that timer or using.

Even if it's five minutes. Yeah. Like I'm like, and I've joked about it for a while because I work a lot with mothers of star seed children. You know, but like the five-minute mama series. Where I'm like, here are things you can do in five minutes. Yeah. Like, are you waiting a line to pick up your kiddo? Are you waiting in a line for Starbucks?

Or you wait? Where are you waiting in line that you could do something? Right. And then you start there. And then later on we could be like, okay, it's better to meditate like in one spot in your house with your altar. Because then the energy's flowing and you know it's clear and good. But also in the beginning, maybe you just need to build that in where you got it. Because it's hard.

I mean, as you know, as anyone knows, it is hard to stick with new routines or new habits. And I think, too, for me, something that I've realized. even outside of the spiritual side of things, of how important, like we were saying, it is to spend that time with yourself and in silence. Because I think so many people are uncomfortable with being alone. They, like, always need music playing. They always need to be on the phone. Like, they can't just sit with themselves.

And I think that a lot of times you can answer your own questions. You can solve your own problems if you just, like, sit within your own energy. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like you're either scared to go there or the mindset. still racing and, you know, for some people, it's like, I can't sit in meditation. My mind is too loud. It's like, okay, well, can you journal? Can you write? Like, yeah, there's like stepping stones to kind of work your way up to things. Yeah. Or like even, you know, doing like different

emotional release practices or just something to clear your vessel. Yeah. Then trying to sit and seeing how much clearer it gets. I'm like, it's amazing how much opens up for people when they're willing to like move the shit out of the way first and then see what happens there. Yeah. Okay. when I get my brain dump out and I quit judging myself, then I can just sit here. Right, because then it's not in your head. You're like actually physically getting it on paper. Mm-hmm. And then also it's like in the, you know, communities we see all these like amazing downloads.

And these people who sit in meditation and they're like, oh, I downloaded this new, you know, it's like gene keys, human design. Like these systems are downloaded, channeled systems. Right? And you're like, okay, well, I didn't get anything. It's like that's maybe not your point. Maybe your point is to just sit and be with yourself. Yeah. Maybe your point is just to see that like you should eat an apple today, whatever, right?

It's like we can't judge or quantify like what you get out of the meditation. And that's the other thing. I feel like people kind of go into it in the wrong sense. Yeah, they want like zero to 100. They want like everything. Yeah. Yeah, I got to get something out of this. It's like actually that's like not the point.

It's just to be. And then what comes out of being. Yeah. Is the gift even if it's just being. Right. Versus like extracting and invoking and getting, becoming psychic overnight and like getting all these visions. So how long have you been doing your work now for? Let's see.

Let's see. I'm like I started as like a holistic practitioner in 15. So I think I started doing readings and end of 17, beginning of 18. Okay. So like seven years. Okay. And you love it. I love it.

Yeah. That's amazing. if you're not doing it on Zoom, is it all in person now for you? No, it's actually over Telegram. Okay. Or WhatsApp. Yeah. It's kind of just more like direct messaging and then like really sharing.

And I was very hesitant to shift this model for a while because I was like, I love being with my people. And all of it was Zoom for me mostly because most of my people in the beginning were not even from, I'm from Minnesota, weren't even from there. Yeah. Like they were like West Coast, East Coast. like Canada. Like I'm like, okay, like this is interesting. Yeah. And I was like, oh, I'm going to lose that touch with people, but we're like going even deeper. Because we're, we don't have to

like try and show up at the same time and then like make it work. And if they are busy or distracted. And having, I think too, like you said, you know, being on a time crunch sometimes, it can be good in the beginning. But then when you know it, your time's coming up, it can kind of like create that distraction or, you know, things like that. Yeah. And then there, you know, there were days where it's like, oh, all my sessions were an hour, you know, and then I'm like, oh, like, I either know I have another one coming up or like the energy's tired or it needs to go longer. I need more time. Like this work is deeper or they're processing slower.

It's like that wasn't built in to have it flow like that. And then it's like, okay, well, we're going to cut you off like mid healing. Like that doesn't, that's not integrity. Right. It just wasn't a realistic model for you. Yeah. And so it has shifted so much in that way. And it just took a little bit.

Also, I'm a projector in human design so that energy is not consistent. So it's like when I'm in full strength may not be when I said I would be two weeks ago because that's when we booked. Yeah. So it's just this interesting, like really getting to know myself without letting it hold me back. But it's so authentic to you and what works for you. And I feel like that's what would set your work apart is that you're not just showing up whether you're energy. is here or here. You're like making sure that you are in the right place for yourself, which you need to be for your work. Yeah. Which I think is like, I think the right person, you know,

coming to you for your work specifically would understand and appreciate that because there are so, unfortunately, there are so many fake people out there that's promise or guarantee healing or readings. And, you know, the interesting thing too is as humans, as different as we all are, we do have very similar emotions and experiences. So I think not that it's easy to, you know, be fake. It's kind of like easy to throw something out and be like, wait, I think I can relate to that or pinpointing to something. So I think it is important to be careful, you know? Definitely.

Yeah. And it's like I want my clients to get the best of me. I want them to be in the best energy. There's times where I'm like, I'm going in, we're doing this. And then I'm like, well, full breaks. What's happening in your field? Okay, we're not doing energy healing today. we just need coaching and guided.

Like, we just need holding. Yeah. What's happening? Tell me what's up in your world. Right. And then it's like, okay, great. Now you're receptive for that energy. If I have it in my tank to do it that day, great.

Otherwise, it's the next day. Like, it just gets to be moving in that way versus like, okay, pause what's happening with your boyfriend right now. We got to go over here and like this is what we're doing today. And it's just like, no. Right. Like, we're so transient as humans and as energy is. It's like, let that flow and be with it too.

Absolutely. So we can like match that power with power versus like this is what it looks like and this is what we've been modeled like okay. Yeah. You know. Right. That is incredible though. That is like the coolest thing. Yeah.

It's definitely different. So have you have you had any more of I guess? I know like with working with energy. I know you said, you know, obviously you're constantly experiencing just different things. But since you kind of made that shift, you mentioned before. in your work, have you had any other experience happened to you or in your home or in your family that you felt was out of your control or do you really think that kind of has been able to close for you?

So far, it's been like completely closed up for me. And you didn't have to move houses. I didn't move. Okay. I didn't have to do any of that. Yeah. Yeah. Animals aren't losing their minds.

Like there's just. Not getting pulled out from under them. Yeah. Which like, and I really was like super conscious when we were looking at houses. Like I was like. oh, good thing we have like an adorable realtor because I'm like failing into the energy. Yeah, everywhere we look. I was like, this matters because it does.

After the last house, I was like, I am not doing that again. So then when it found us, I was like, what the heck? I'm like, I can't do this. But now it's not happening. And we're in the same house. And like I'm not waking up to like ships outside of my window, like waking me up or like pestering my husband or waking up my children. Like I think since I've shifted it, we've only had one.

not even night terror, but like maybe bad dream for my oldest. And I think too, you know, obviously you're an example of somebody that is very gifted, very experienced. And I think that obviously there's some people that what you're saying will sound like gibberish, which is okay. But at the same time, I do think that, I mean, I love to have people like you on here because I love to hear about it. But at the same time, I think that it does kind of, I don't want to say teach.

people, but it, in a way, I guess you could use that word, like, to listen to themselves, because intuition is so big. I think a lot of times we, you know, you can believe what you want, but having intuition and having a gut feeling is so important, you know, it's, it's there for a reason. And like you said, even if it says something as simple as like, eat that apple today. Like, give into your gut feeling. Give into your intuition because I do think and believe that listening to yourself in those very small moments, that's like kind of feeding into your intuition.

which I think allows it to like expand and grow and just spend time with yourself too like we were saying I think that all these little things could just help you get more in tune even if you don't get to you know a level like you it just it allows you to be more in tune with yourself which I think is one of the most amazing experiences you can have here it is yeah and I love that you say that too because it's something that that I always try to help people like really understand is is that like taking that small little step, like, it's like, I went to a friend's house like this fall and I was about to leave and it's like I'm staring at an onion. I don't know why I'm staring at an onion. Like I'm, I wasn't supposed to bring onions. Whatever. I'm like staring at this onion.

It won't leave me alone. Whatever. I didn't grab it. I get there and she's like, I'm out of onions. Like, oh my gosh, right? And I'm like pretty deep in this work, you know? Yeah. I'm like, oh, it's like those little nudges. Right. Where, you know, for everybody else, it's like that is the gift. And even for me, I missed it. I missed that gift. Like it was just an onion and it was chilling and it turned out fine. But it's like, if you can do that, you start to build that trust with yourself over time. Right. And then you're like, oh, like, I got me. And I can really do a lot of things, even if it's simply, but we need, you know, we need more people doing it in alignment and with like strong conviction and trust in themselves. And we're not

seeing that. Yeah. It's like everyone wants to outsource or go get like 15 other readings or go, you know, It's like, and I love all those things. Like we get our crystals, we get our decks, we get our this, but to what end are we outsourcing versus just enhancing? It's a big difference. But it's like, oh, you get to. That's the gift. Right.

And then you just get to like wake up a little bit more next time you're not going to doubt yourself when it's like, I don't know why I need to take a left. I don't get it. Yeah. So I could see that bird. So I could see that, whatever. It could help that person find their dog. Like there's so many ways.

It's like that serendipitous little tiny connection. they're like, oh, yeah. And that's constant. We just miss it. Mm-hmm. Always. Because we're so busy. We're so busy.

I have one more question for you too that I just thought of. Yeah. What are your thoughts on spiritual psychosis? Oh, that's a good one. Well, what do you feel about it? Like, do you think that it's absolutely necessary? Do you think everybody goes through it? Do you, like, I don't know.

So, I think. So I think. No pressure for either. Let me think. So I feel like it kind of depends. I think that maybe for some people, they do need to have that experience to kind of like break themselves in a way and have a different understanding and full detachment, you could say. I think like anything, literally with anything, anything can be too much with anything that there is out there. Yeah. So, but I think that, you know, in this human experience, people are always looking for an escape.

Some more light, some more intense, whether it's full-blown drugs or like, you know, or religion or spirituality. And I think that if you can keep this balance and live this, I read something the other day that was saying, it was about spiritual psychosis. And it was kind of saying that some people, they think do need to go through it. But if you do feel like you're kind of going over the edge, just step back a little and ground yourself and give yourself the balance. Like if you're, for example, like if you're reading all these books, like studying spirituality, like give yourself a break and read like just like a normal book or like, you know what I mean? Like one that's not about.

And I felt like that was such an easy way to kind of create that balance for yourself. If you kind of feel like yourself like getting going down a loophole because it's so easy. I think it's humans like we have, in a lot of people, especially if you have. have more of an addictive personality, you just spiral and you're like, I want more, more and more. Because like we want to learn. We want to for sure. Get information. And I think too, when you have a cool experience, it's like I want that again and I want that adrenaline, like more and more. Yeah. And I think that it can be so easy, like I said, with anything, to go down that spiral. But I guess my question would be because I think that it's, at least what I see with it or hear

about it online would be, you know, if somebody's talking about spirituality or their experiences that they had, their immediate response will be, that person is in spiritual psychosis. They are completely detached from reality, from being a human, and they are just totally delusional. So I guess for you, where is that, like, line drawn, you know, of, like, if somebody is completely just out of their human experience, or if they're, kind of in this healthy place of like they realize that they are this spiritual powerful being and they listen to their intuition and they work with things like crystals and they meditate and this at the other but then they also realize like I'm a human I deserve these things like

I'm powerful let's manifest these amazing things in our life and I think it's that's why we're here in a way like you're supposed to experience love and experience you know attracting things to yourself but like I said it is so easy to kind of like fall off because you yeah And I think isolate also because it can be so lonely. Yeah. Especially when people are telling you you're crazy or they don't understand it. Yeah. So I definitely, I love what you shared in the end because I do feel like that.

That's so it. It's the point is to embody the spiritual nature of our soul and the human being that is our flesh. Yeah. Like the meat suit and the soul suit. Like can they integrate and can they meet? And really if you pour yourself too much into human. you're checked out. Yeah.

And if you pull yourself too much into spirituality, then you fry out your system. Or you're kind of chasing. Like there's a, like I talk about like the new age spirituality craze is to like get your Girl Scout badge of spiritual experiences. I did my ayahuasca. I had an alien abduction. I can channel blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, it's kind of like these cool experiences that like then look cool or good,

which aren't rooted in anything. Yeah. It's like that's more ego, that's more vanity, that's more just like kind of chasing it because it looks good on you over there. So maybe I should try and do it. You know, the same way where it's like, well, we could download a new human design or I should eat an apple. Neither are more or less important. Okay. Yeah.

You know, in that way. So I do feel like there is this beautiful, healthy balance. And it is to perhaps it's the biggest hurdle or like bridge right now in our society to meet in the middle with. Yeah. Because we are seeing these people who are going through spiritual psychosis and you're like, you're so far down the rabbit hole. Yeah. You're not even like relatable anymore.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know. Like you can't have the conversation about both. Yeah. And I don't think you can help others or yourself when you're that far in it. Not typically. Yeah. Yeah.

And so then you see them kind of like rail over here or derail over there and you're kind of like, can you come back and bring that? Because what good is that wisdom and what good is that knowledge and that information? And sometimes, like, I do have people who are like, you are so crazy. What do you mean? How are you doing these things? And I'm like, that's okay. Like, you don't have to feel that way. But like, at the end of the day, if you bumped into me at Target, you would never know that I do this work. No. And that's the best part about it. You know, where I'm like, I do feel like I have worked really hard to balance that bridge. And some of it's like really getting with the human, really processing those emotions, really being with like whatever there is to be with my human. And accepting it. Yeah. Not resisting it. So it's like, you know, we find out where star seeds or we find out where whatever spiritual beings with all these past lives and then we cling to it and we like forget the right now reality. And it's like actually right now, this is my experience. Okay, can I be here now? And over here, you can't, you can't help anybody like you said. You're just like this floating

balloon that drifts through the air until you run out of helium or pop. Like that, that doesn't work. You need to have this base. You need to have this anchor, which involves grounding in if you're not in your body, if you're not grounded. And you said this as well, but it's like, find that balance. If you find you're getting a little nutty, I've gotten down so many rabbit holes. And like, it keeps me up at night. And then I'm like, okay.

Yeah, let me step away from it for a second. Yeah. Like I'm like, that information is going nowhere. And like, you know, thankful for the way back web because it really is going nowhere. If you know where to find it and know where to look for some of these things, we're like, actually, it's fine. We can find anything that ever existed at least in the digital world. You know, the old age, it's like the book burning happened. So you really couldn't back then.

But they also didn't have access to the whole world at their fingertips. So it's like we go down these rivals and those raffles and those raffles and we're on here. Where's the stillness in the checking in? Yeah. Where is that balance? Where are you finding your humanness? Are you even taking care of your body versus just being like, peace out earth like this is temporary home i don't care it's like well there's pretty big spiritual

work going on right now that like you're here for or you're just gonna cycle in another loop for like i don't want to get reenlisted do you you know i don't want to get through it again yeah do my work and and that's part of that that bridge yeah because we're we're not one or the other it's like we're all so i don't think it's totally necessary for spiritual psychosis i do think it's real Yeah, and it's good to be like aware of it. Yeah. And like I said, it was, it's funny because I did just see that the video on it. And then I was reading through the comments.

And that's when I saw that kind of explanation and distinction of like what you can do. And it may, I think sometimes it takes just like reading something so simple to kind of make you understand like, oh, it's as easy as that. Because I think the things are a lot more easy than we think that they are. Yeah. Or like we think that if we're down this hole, like it's going to take so much unraveling to get out of it. but it really, it doesn't always. But no, yeah, I want to ask your opinion on that. So thank you for telling me.

And some of it, too. Like, there's been some things, like even, you know, post all of my memories coming back, whether it be in plant medicine or not, which I'm like, oh, people are going to totally think that's just, you know, psychedelics. And that's just like a vision and a thing. And that's their opinion. You know, it's like, Mel Robbins, let them. Yeah, exactly. And let me, like, use that for the souls who need it.

But in that same way where I'm like, do I find a therapist? And then can I find a therapist without ending up in the looney bin? Because I'm grounded and I'm good, but there's some things I want to process here. Yeah. And then it kind of like stirred up like human level memory, PTSD stuff. And then I was like, okay, maybe I need to address that, but how do I address that without addressing any of this? And they do exist. Like there are people out there who do exist in that front if people need it.

And you just kind of get to like trust and flow. Do I need that? Do I not need that? Like what is that, Richard? Do I step back for a little bit? Do I, you know, read a rom-com. Like, read fantasy. Like, do something else because it's-

Something you enjoy. Like, yeah, here. And that's something else I want to mention as well as, you know, I think that kind of just tying in the therapy aspect. Because I think everybody can benefit from therapy. But I think that when therapy first begun maybe or even to this day, it's like, in my opinion, there's different. types of therapists. For sure. And, you know, there's, I've had experience with both, but there's

a type of therapist where it's very transactional. It is very like, by the book, they will think you're crazy based on what you're saying. Yeah. But then there's energy healers and there's these life coaches. And that's what, you know, I had found for myself and it was life changing for me. You know, and I think that somebody that allows you to tap into yourself and where you are integrating meditation and hypnosis and you feel like you actually are friends with this person. This is your person. This person's on your side. You have this deep, energetic connection with them. And I think that that is so amazing. And I feel like I wanted to bring that up as well because I don't know if a lot of people know that that could be more helpful than just your average

typical therapist. I think that people should maybe, if they're feeling like they tried therapy once or maybe a few times if it's not working and it just does feel too like cold and dry. Yeah. Go the route of like an energy healer. Because I don't think you understand like it's very similar where you have this unbiased opinion and this person that you can share your life to and talk to. But you also have somebody that like can genuinely help you on a deeper level. It's not just like psychology by the book.

You know what I mean? And that is like the biggest thing that I've, and I tend to gear towards that. And even plant medicine and stuff. I just think that those options are so much more interesting and healing. And you get to learn more about yourself than anything else. Yeah. Well, and then it's this beautiful aspect too because, you know, and it's like I have several clients who are like, I mean, this is cheaper than therapy.

You know, and they're like, and I feel better. And I'm like, that's amazing for you. And then I have other clients who like do both. Right. Because they just like like that aspect or they have like deeper mental health needs. Yeah. And I love that. And I love that they trust that for themselves and know that for themselves.

I'm like, you just get to try that out. Because it really does take that. And it's like in the energy healing in that realm of like getting to know yourself on a soul level. But then again, like it's that spectrum where it's like you're not forgetting you're human. Yep. And like when, and you'll see between different healers or readers or people that that you find me meet. Like some will very much like want you to go and cling to that past life story and open it up. And it's like, this is why you're the way that you are.

And it's like kind of that victimy stance. Yeah. More than like, oh, this is part of that. We get to go and heal this like deep grief that you've carried from that lifetime. And this is why it's here and how it's played out here. Boom. And people are like, I feel so seen. Right.

Thank you. But I'm not clinging to that. Like it's my new hat. I'm going to wear. You know, the same way, like, when I had my energy healer, be like, oh, you're abducted by aliens. Like, I'm not all of a sudden, like, living out of a van trying to curate these experiences. I'm just kind of like, that makes so much sense. Yeah.

Awesome, cool. And, like, wouldn't recommend. 10 out of 10 don't recommend. Right. But also, like, then life gets to move forward. And, like, so I get a different understanding. Yeah. It's like we just get to have those pockets be for different things.

But then we don't have to cling to them to. And so I love that distinction for all to know of just like you can go and have these, but you don't need to get stuck and swirl in it. Right. It just is like valuable information that is what was and you are who you are today. Absolutely. You usually get to make those choices. Yeah.

Spot on. Yeah. Do you have like a website and things like that that you, that people are watching and they want to work with you? Yeah. I don't have a website yet. Okay. Well, you need one.

I've been like working on for like ever. You need something. Do you have like a, what do you, an Instagram? I have Instagram. Okay, good. Yep. Okay, so if people wanted to work with you, should they reach out to you that way? Do you have like an email?

Like, I'll attach all your stuff in description. Yeah, we can put like my Instagram. But I'm going to be the first client. Yeah, we can do Instagram. Callendly. Amazing. Okay. Perfect.

Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. I love this. Was there anything else you wanted to share any other stories, any other anything? Oh, no, I feel. You got it. Yeah.

So, thank you so much for letting me. ask my questions too. I love it. You're amazing. This is so interesting and intriguing to me. But thank you so much. Seriously, you did amazing. And like I said, I think that conversations like this need to happen more often. And I feel like you tell your story in a way that's still so like easily, easy understood, you know, people can get it. And it's one of those things you pick and choose. You don't believe it. Don't watch it. You do? Like this is super interesting. Like for me, I'm like, I love this. I'm like, I have more questions. But no, this is incredible. And I think that it's amazing that, you know, even though you had these types of experiences that I'm sure were, you know, very scary at times,

that you were able to turn it into this thing where you can protect yourself, but also use your gifts to heal others. I think that's incredible and you help so many people. So that's amazing. And hopefully more people because people want to, you know, come to you and get more of your energy and gifts. Thank you. Thank you. I loved it.