We're All Insane - Life as a UFC Fighter

Episode Date: October 3, 2022

UFC fighter Tucker Lutz shares his experiences in mixed martial arts. Tucker's Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/4fbY1bAEELkZOwTvBBMryF If you have a unique story you'd like to share on We're All Insane, send a message to [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey guys, it's me Devorah. I just dropped an all new bonus episode inside my new subscription channel, We're All Insane Plus. This week's bonus episode is called My Brain was slipping into my spine. Listen now by subscribing to We're All Insane Plus inside your Spotify or Apple Podcasts app or go to we're all insane.com. He's like really into UFC and stuff. And he was like, I'm going to send email you like a whole list of questions. Are these good Julie? Hello, hello, yeah. For the FAA?

For the what? Financial advisor. Trying to be hip with the abbreviations. Don't use these terms. No, don't be hip because I'm a grandma. Are you a Karen? Self-reclaimed Karen? I'm a Karen when it comes to cats.

Damn, I sound stuffy on here, don't I? I'm a bit stuffy. I don't think you sound stuffy. All right, word. I think you sound fine. No, I met with him the other day and he gave me a whole list of questions to ask him. So if I'm in the mood to be like, Noah, all professional, then I have a whole list.

The backup? Is it even a backup? No, it's not a backup. I don't really like, I'm trying not to, I don't even use anything. What's wrong over there? You like these chairs? Do you not? I'm not sure how I feel about them. Okay, scoot it in if you need to, so you can lean back or get comfortable. Can I hold this or is this weird?

No, you can hold it, but I don't know if that's going to work. I don't think I can bang out the whole interview like this. I don't say, hold on. And you know what? The men that have come on are not liking my mic set up. How do you, what mics do you? Well, I'm short, so it's like, do you have, do you have mics to go? Yeah, I got the boom arm.

You know what I'm saying? Clip it to this. This is a nice table, though, so I don't know if you want to fuck it up. I could, I could do those. Gator works, I think it's a brand. I have those. And then there's another one that, um, I don't know what to do with my hands right now. Put them here.

Proper. Yeah, this is proper. It doesn't have to be proper. I feel like this is good spinal alignment here now. E ergonomic. Okay, listen, you have just showed me that I need to put my pen on. You just showed me that my setup socks. I like the roundtable

Okay well I don't know how to fix it Listen if you want to lean back and go like this kind of thing By all means that's not that comfortable though I'll be shuffling I'm kind of a fidgety person I am too so we can both just be fidgeting around the whole time I've had a lot of caffeine today also Did you want more caffeine or are you good? I'm probably good

I'll be pissed I got a weak bladder so I'll be pissed Oh great okay that's fine good thing we can cut So yeah met with him I have my I have some good questions But I'm not going to ask them unless I need to but I don't think I need to because I studied them. You did? Yeah. Are they memorized?

Not the ones with like, because he gave me like all these cool names of people. I don't know all of that stuff. So that's going to be your job to explain that. Okay. This is being filmed too. No shit. Damn, y'all are professional up in here. Okay, wait.

So you have your podcast, but you don't film it. Is it just all? Just audio. I feel like the filming is just like, because right now it's very, I don't want to say hobby like in a disparaging way. Yeah. But it's not like. No, I know. not the cross that I'm dying on.

So it's like, yeah. Yeah, just audio. Should I film it? What do you think, Julie? Yeah. Yeah, all about it. Well, the reason we do is because we started from YouTube. So it's like that's where we pull.

Yeah, that's kind of where you guys have the base, you know? Yeah, so there's that. But I did, I did my homework on you and also just because I wanted to listen because I never listened before I listened to your podcast. Yeah. The first episode. Yeah. The other day.

It's pretty cringy even. Like, you get good at talking as it goes on. But I don't have very smooth delivery on now. That's what I was going to tell you that you did a really good job. I was impressed. It's weird at first, I think. It's very weird. I still even get nervous, and I've been doing it for like two years.

But you did a really good job, which I wanted to tell you, number one. Number two, I don't know anything really about fighting or UFC. And I was still able to listen and enjoy it. Like I had it on just chilling. And I was like, damn, he's a good talker. You have a very, like, good manly listening to voice. That's a compliment right there. It is.

Because I like it. You should make a hallmark card that says that shit on it. I will. And you have this kind of like country twang going on. You're not the only person. So it's like obviously you don't sound like I'm sure you listen to your own shit. And in your head you don't sound. It sounds horrible.

It sounds weird. I fucking hate this. But it's weird. I don't know where the fuck it comes from because in my head I don't hear it. But like I'll listen to some interviews. It's like I sound like a fucking hillbilly out there. I don't get it. I think it's right.

I've heard Maryland accent. I don't know if that's a thing. Yeah. People say that too. People say it about me. but I don't think I have the Twain. You definitely have the Maryland accent, but not like the country.

Yeah. I don't know where the fuck I get it from. The country drawl I've been accused of having. Well, you got it, but it sounds good for the podcast. But your podcast is mainly about fighting UFC, all of that, right? Yep, yep.

And because it's like what I know best, obviously, I'd like to, and we talked about it on the phone the other day, like kind of roganize it a little bit. Yeah. Like, talk to different people in different walks of life. Like, I'm interested in a bunch of different shit

other than fighting. Like sometimes, like, I don't want to say I'm burnt out, but I don't know. Like staying on top of it, trying to get good. And that's what my partner, Evan, for the podcast is like way better at, you know, studying fight. I don't want to say studying fights, but he keeps up with it.

A lot of times it's like, I don't want to say it's like doing homework, but it's kind of like that. I mean, it is. In a way, you kind of have to figure out where you're going to talk about for like an hour. Yeah, because we do, we do fight picks and fucking, he's a degenerate gambler, so he pays attention to the lines and all that. And I say that in like a complimentary way. But, uh, yeah, I'd like to talk to.

a bunch of different people eventually, but I got to cut my teeth at some point. I feel like if I come in too wide, people will be disinterested. But that's kind of what you're going for, I guess, is just anyone and everyone. And it takes time. I mean, like, people, the show before, I mean, as I'm sure you know, it was just me and Claudia. So it was all girls, basically. And now it's, like, last week was my first one with Jason for the Afghanistan stuff. And it's, you can tell that, like, the current audience. Jason Goldstein? Yeah, you didn't watch it? So I watched one of yours and you didn't watch one of mine. So I listened to the first too, the one with Kennedy is number one, right?

She's another Cedar Mear alum. A lot of talent coming out of Cedarway Elementary. Yeah. And then Brannons, which I thought, I was disappointed. I thought that he's kind of thrown shade at the old elementary school at the beginning, you know? Maybe. Sounded uninterested. So I got a beef with him over that.

That's fucked up. Maybe you guys could hash it out. Him and I go way, like, fucking, I think fourth grade is when. And then we rode the same bus to middle school and shit. And then high school. He always says you're like the only other person that. came out doing something big out of like i don't know if that's true there's a lot of well there you know like a lot of successful stuff everybody's successful in their own way but i think i think he means like

kind of well known if that makes sense like more on the social media right aspect kind of thing that's you guys international superstars you're a superstar too okay and you're and i'm gonna have you explain your your stardom over there really so from the jump from the jump i want to hear it I know, I feel like as far back as I know is that the way that you got into all of it from what I would assume would be from wrestling, right? Yep, grew up. Grew up wrestling. I want to say third grades when I started and then all through high school.

I was 12 season athletes, so football wrestling and lacrosse. I was like, I was decent, I would say, kind of like upper decent. Like I went to states a couple times to replace. But that's one of like I try not to have a whole lot of regrets, but I feel like if I would adjust focus on wrestling like year round, no football. ball or lacrosse, I would have done better in high school, but I'd be right now, I'd be a better wrestler, which I think is the strongest base. But at any rate, yeah, so grew up wrestling, loved watching the sport. I think my freshman year, yeah, my freshman year is when I got into it,

real hard watching it. Wrestling season was over my senior year, didn't place in states, which was one of my goals. So it was just like a sobering moment afterwards. It's like, fuck, there's like, this competition is kind of over. And I was an angry kid in high school for sure, definitely second half of high school. And like, I mean, as long as I can remember, I've always had a chip on my shoulder. So it's like one of those things. I'd watch the sport and be like, you know what? I feel like this is some shit that I could do. So like it was May of my senior year after wrestling. Yeah, it was May. Went to an MMA gym in Eldersburg, which I don't train it anymore. There was a seminar going on there with a guy who was in the UFC at the time. Then started training in MMA. May had my first

amateur fight a couple months later in August. And then, yeah, that was, I was 18 when I had my first fight. And I think I had eight amateur fights, turned professional at the age of 21. And then, yes, and that was 2015. Lost my debut, which sucked. That was like one of the more shaping moments of my career thus far. And yeah. And so I've been a professional since 2015, got signed to the UFC in 2020.

So what was the process like for that, like getting signed with the UFC? Is that something that you kind of have to? Can I swallow my gum real quick? You can do anything. Is that going to like, does that come out? Or does that stick to your address? Remember the old? It was like seven years it would stay in.

Is it true? No, that's bullshit. I'm pretty, or I hope so. Or else I'll be fucked. I stay swollen. Well, don't choke on the live show, please. Are you an EMT by any chance, really?

Do you know the Heimlich? I don't either. You died right here right now. Yeah. All right. I mean, it might make for good content, though, so. That's awful. What an awful thing to say

Sorry I'm leaning this back No, I can't do that Here do this Try to make do this thing Can you extend this? No But you can tilt it down kind of

Gator works It's so you can be like Here with it you know I know I need okay I'm gonna I'm gonna change the fucking mics next time All right Just trying to help over here Now you know you made the decision for me

So the UFC So I did this event called Contender Series Where you go down in Vegas and fight in front of Dana White, who's the president of the UFC, and like the whole brass. And it was during COVID, it was weird. There was no one there. So it's like back in the day, you could, I think each person got four tickets or whatever. So it's like, your real close homies are watching.

But it was production, UFC brass. Everyone's like separated all throughout the room. So if you go and you have, like a win doesn't guarantee you a contract. But if you have a good win, they sign you. So I went and the dude I was supposed to fight pulled out like literally the week before, ended up fighting someone else beat them by decision they were like so afterwards they do the whole shit and they were like you didn't get a contract tonight but come back that was in sept that was like september first they're like we want you to come back in november we're doing this shit for like

another five weeks or whatever it was now it's longer than that but so yeah came back one again and then that's when they gave me the contract i had my ufc debut in may of 2021 in texas which was in front of in front of people it was dope it was like one of the first crowds back as far as in yeah it was the second card back that like the world was opened up it was in Houston Texas and it was cool one by decision and then I lost my last fight by decision which sucks but so I'm sure when you're fighting and there's all those people just watching live is it like a huge adrenaline rush type of thing so I try I try for it not to be it was definitely way cooler fighting in front of people than the contender series shit but I try to be as like present here and now

focus on. Right. But it was pretty sick. And the third round, I was beating him. I was like way up, especially after the second round. And then the third round, he came out strong and landed a couple, a couple strikes. And the crowd went fucking crazy. And he was from Texas too.

So like that was rad. Like my head felt like I was about to explode. It was super loud. It was like, it was only the second fight. So it wasn't like a super, super packed arena. It's going to be pretty crazy full on 20-something thousand people screaming. Yeah. But yeah, I try not to pay attention to the crowd.

but it's definitely way better than like the five people or whatever even the last so the UFC has its own facility called the apex where they'll have like free fights like if there's a fight on at yes on ESPN plus and it's in Vegas like it's going to be in the apex and it's it's small it's limited my last fight was there and that's where my contender series ones they sell tickets but I think they're super expensive because it's limited crowd or whatever yeah and that's not that's not nearly as cool as as the crowd either but so are you still in the UFC? Is that okay? Yeah. But are you taking a break or how does that work? So I was supposed to fight March, I want to say it was the 26 and the dude got hurt literally like the week before. Was that just in training or something? Yeah, I guess he had some training. So the fight was off and I've been dealing with this back injury for like three years. I have a back injury which is really beat. And so I was like whatever stay. It was obviously a bummer because it was like eight weeks worth of work to for nothing. So I was like, all right, I'm just going to stay busy in case something comes up. And I want to say we were training all the way through April.

And it was like literally the last kick at the end of like the last minute of a striking session I had with my coach. And like my shit was like was killing. So yeah, the long and short of it, I've been mostly on the shelf this year dealing with that. But I've been doing a shitload of physical therapy as of late and getting the body back. So I feel really good now physically. So when do you plan on going back? I'd love to get one by the end of the year. That's my goal.

So I kind of wanted to get through August and September. I've been training really hard, but I wanted to see how the body would hold up to it. Like I said, and it's funny because I have weaknesses in my core, which kind of helps. So there is a surgery to correct it, but it's fusions and shit like that. It's like I'm 28 years old. That's a rather aggressive thing to be doing at this point in my life. So luckily I got some weaknesses in my core, but it's like the last month have been a lot of corrective stuff. So my core would get strong and then like my hip flexors were killing me.

So I've been compensating largely in a terrible way just because of the back injury and all that. But physically, I feel good. I'd love to get at least one this year. And then I like fighting every three months. And that's like ideal, three, four months. So if I can get something in December, March, and then finish on. And that would just be like one big main match kind of thing every three months, right? Yeah, yeah, like one fight every three months.

Okay. Typically don't fight more than once in a night. I'm learning. In Russia, they do that shit, though. Really? Yeah, Russia. And I think back in the day in Japan they would do that. I don't know.

That's fucking. Yeah, it's a lot. I mean, in general, I feel like the sport is extremely hard on the body, obviously. So you're training now, but I'm assuming that the training you're doing now is a lot different than when you're like actually preparing and training for a fight, right? So it's more sparring when you have a fight. And like I got some teammates who are fighting. So I'll go in and give them rounds. But I try to kind of keep my sparring down because like obviously brain damage is a thing in this line of work.

Yeah, I've seen that. It's so scary. Yeah, it's scary as fun. I don't know the one guy's name, but I saw the guy that got, I think he got, like, punched really hard or knocked out, and now he has like a permanent, he's like permanently brain. There's a boxer who you're probably thinking of. That's probably how I'm thinking of. Who's like, fucking, I think is a quadriplegic now.

Like, he's really fucked up. I mean, people dying this shit. This is like more so in boxing than MMA. And most of the deaths is coming from the wake up, which we can talk about, which is definitely the worst, the worst part. But I mean, yeah, it's, it's a really risky business. and I'm sure that I'm doing shit that will affect me later in life, but I feel like I'm chasing something kind of bigger than that at this point.

I'm just like praying that fucking science has some shit figured out. Like, I don't know if it's stem cell or some Elon must shit to bring my brain back, but I'm very cognizant of it. Like I can count on one hand the amount of times that I've been dropped. So I try to keep it. But yeah, so I guess I'm going all over the place. I do more sparring and it's like more focused on a game plan when I have. have an actual opponent, but in the intensity is much more. You can't really sustain like a camp

level. Like camp for me is like nine weeks out in a perfect world nine weeks. You can't sustain like that year round, that intensity. So it's periodized, you know, hard three weeks. I like doing three or four weeks, probably three weeks segments of intensity, focus, shifts and output and all that. So this is where it's way more fun for me anyway, because it's like it's way more stress-free. I feel like I can learn more in the offseason. That's where a lot of guys squander their shit is in the offseason because there's not the pressure of the fight you know you're learning new shit you're not just doing one specific i shouldn't say one specific but a game plan that's centric around one one person so right now in like in morch the fight that was supposed to happen i felt

really good physically but mentally it was it was it was kind of i was a little bit burnt out you know what i'm saying a little jaded but now i feel like i'm i'm back in love with this sport and uh it's funny because i had to work a full-time job on top of this shit there's not a a lot of money in this line of work. That's what was my next question? Yeah. So pretty much until I got my contract. So I've been working and I always did blue collar work, hard on the body shit,

just what I've been gravitated towards. And like that's what I grew up doing. Like working for my dad back in the day, landscaping shit on the golf course. So yeah, it's funny. I have to remind myself that a younger me would like, would literally kill to be in the position I am now where all I do is fight. And you know, I coach a little bit at our gym ground control a couple days a week. But yeah, it's living the dream, you know?

Yeah. It's weird, but it's red at the same time. No, I think that's amazing. And like I was telling you, I don't know, obviously, much about the sport at all. But what I can tell you is that when my mom and I think it, I don't know if it was during quarantine or maybe a little bit before or after, but I feel like watching UFC and even boxing too. Like those were so intriguing to me just because it's to watch that people are willing to just like throw their body in a You know what I mean?

And just be that vulnerable and just really go all at it and use the skill is just amazing to me. And I want to learn more because I think like I'm intrigued by it, but I don't know anything about it really. And so when it comes to, because so UFC is the main thing. Yeah, it's like the UFC is to mix martial arts, which is a sport is what NFL is to football. And then you wrestle with, is it like wrestling is within it also? Yeah. So mixed martial arts, it's wrestling, jiu-jitsu, which is what you. is like the submissions when you see someone tap out that's a submission kickboxing moitai which is

like a lot of clinch which is up close elbows and knees yeah wrestling i probably said that boxing so it's like yeah it's mixed martial arts it's it's a lot of them and there's there's a few rules like you can't 12 to 6 elbow for some dumb reason and you can't you obviously you can't kick people in the balls or fish you know fish hook them well no i pokes and like if someone's down three points of contact, like, and especially both knees are down in the UFC anyway. In Asia, you can do whatever you want, really. But in the UFC, you can't knee or kick him to the head. But yeah, that's pretty much it. It's just all the disciplines combined into one fighting system. Hey, I'm Jeremy Schwartz from American Criminal. On this season, robbery gone wrong or cold-blooded

murder. Either way, Boston will never be the same. Listen to American Criminal, the murder of Carol Stewart, wherever you get your podcasts. to get early at free access. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or at Americancriminal.com. Wow. Interesting. Why are you looking to train it? Maybe. You should swing by the gym one day.

Maybe. I think Claudia did way back in the day. I don't think I'd be able to. I think I could punch somebody once good. And then it would be game over. Because I have like fake hair and stuff. So that would probably get ripped out. Well, you don't have to, you don't actually have to hit anyone or get hit.

You can come in learning technique. I mean, you can if you want, I guess. Yeah. Like I feel like that's the fun part of it. No? Yeah. I mean, hitting someone is,

I don't have any technique. All I know how to do is swing a punch. And that's what I think technique is king. Like athleticism is great, but that's what I show. So I teach a kickboxing class Tuesday, Thursday at our gym. It's all beginners.

I don't know if there's sometimes some people who have fights will come in. But that's what I preach to them is like technique is literally everything in this line of work. How old are the kids that usually come in at your training? Like 16, or kids? No, like, it's mostly adults too. Yeah, okay. Like my class is mostly like not to be disparaging, but it's like mostly like middle age women. Okay. So I shouldn't say middle age. That's rude. Hopefully they're not listening to this. It's not rude. You know what I'm saying. Yeah. But like mom age. So and then they're coming at you teach like you say to teach technique. You teach all that stuff.

Yeah, a little burnout at the end, you know, but mostly technique because that's what like in lately I've been obsessed with footwork. So it's like I'm doing these high level footwork drills with, you know, soccer moms for lack of a better term that's great yeah I love it I think it's been because I hate teaching because I can do something but I'm terrible at explaining it right so I thought that you know I'm just I thought that I wouldn't really like it but it's been a lot of fun and it's only a couple hours a week and then you just had a baby right no my wife did though I did not give birth I hate that shit that's like when when people say we're pregnant that's one of my biggest pet peeves in this world and they'll be like oh you just had a no I didn't do

shit your wife just had a baby And that's great. So has all of this had any, like, effect on your relationship? Because you guys have been together. Long time. Yeah, since 2009. 13 years. My sophomore year. So she's obviously been like through everything. And I mean, from the jump when I was like, hey, there's this. When I was 17, I was like, hey, there's this amateur fight in August. She was like, hell yeah, I think you should do it. So I'm like super lucky in that regard. Her, my parents, her parents, which is like got to be weird watching your daughter's boyfriend, you know, getting his underwear and getting. to a fight, you know, but um...

I don't think it's weak. It's a sport. Yeah, but I mean, I don't know. Like, if I have a daughter and that's what her boy, I would probably judge him, you know, if that's what he was into. But, uh, yeah, she's been super supportive. And it's, it's definitely tough, you know, especially like, I mean, I get super crabby from the weight cut.

Right. And so I'm sure that's annoying to deal with. And it just, like I said, it's a fucking, the sport, the shit weighs on you. You know what I'm saying? it definitely weighs on you. So she's seen me at my lowest and has been, has been my backbone throughout. My family's been great during it.

But it's, I mean, it's a super selfish pursuit too. You know, like you're not on a team. I mean, you know, as far as competition,

it's literally you. So it's a lot of time, you know, focus on me and around me. And, and yeah, it definitely has, it has its challenges.

But it's never, I don't think it's ever, it's ever negatively affected, like seriously negatively. Yeah. A fact that she's been nothing but supportive. It knows that it's the dream and she knows how hard I work. It's not like I'm fucking around.

So she's very much in the trenches and sees everything. But it's tough. Especially like we're damaging our body. So I could imagine, you know, it's got to take a toll. Going to events with black eyes and cuts and shit like that. Yeah. But now it's been great. It's like I said, I really, and it'd be weird.

Like I was talking to my to my homie about it. Not long ago. of because I've never had to experience like pursuing a girl in the middle of all this shit. I would imagine it would be very difficult to find someone who's down with it, you know, because you're spending a lot of time at the gym. Especially like most people are working full-time jobs. So, you know, they're putting their eight hours in, go home for like an hour or whatever. And then they're out all night and the damage.

It's got to be challenging. Yeah, I was going to say we always talk about that too, like Brandon. and then even because she's with Brandon's best friend, Nick, who also is involved in social media stuff. And we always say that, you know, it would be really hard at this point to find someone who accepts, what you do. Also, I feel like understands it and then isn't like weird about it

because I think that for a lot of people, anything that's out of the norm, it's like hard for people to really understand and support and just kind of fully be there. So I feel like we all are pretty lucky in that sense too, but I can't imagine how difficult it would be. Like you said to like have the time and then even just find somebody that would really, I feel like, I feel like you'd always kind of have to, I don't want to say always have to bring the person up, but kind of like you said, like always be that backbone and not take it personally if the person doesn't always have time for you. You know what I mean? And it's hard. And like I said, I get real cranky. So I'm probably a major douchebag to be around. Yeah. So salute to her for putting up putting up with that. But yeah. Yeah, I didn't think about like in your. In your situation, that is true that you're lucky that kind of, especially with your relationship, but your peers also have the same, I don't want to say schedule because there is no schedule,

but similar lines of work. So understandable. There's a lot of people in our line of work that are just not real and genuine. So it's like you can find people that do the same thing, but are they going to be genuine and good people? Probably not. Because there's a lot of them that aren't. So I feel like because we live in Maryland, we kind of are lucky with.

that because I feel like the state in a way keeps us grounded like we're not in the whole LA scene which yeah you're not kidding yeah I was at the rice sound festival the other day it's like it is as like small world as small world gets we are our gym ground control we had like one of the float I shouldn't say a float but like we had a spot in the parade and I'm telling you it's like fucking it's like nothing ever changes nothing ever changes and like shit we're pretty much townies at this point we bought a crib we were talking about it earlier five years ago now? Yeah, it's probably been five years.

Did you buy this move in already? Did you have to do any projects or anything? I painted the whole thing. Yeah. And was that all I did? Just paint? Oh, I did a couple. Not that this floor came, but then I replaced the bathroom,

the guest bathroom flooring upstairs. Yeah, we do. We bought our house. It was nice, but it was like super, like super duper dated. So it's like we have a lot of elbow grease with the DIY, why like redoing our kitchen. I used to do HVAC, so heating and air conditioning systems like right before. So put the AC in.

So that's what's burnt up a lot of my free time is the home project shit. But I'm never doing that shit again. It's so fucking annoying. I obviously didn't do anything. But even just being here watching it and waiting for it to get done, I was like, this takes forever and it's a pain in the fucking ass. I feel like even when you get newer type houses, there's always going to be something that I feel like you want to change or something that isn't perfect.

Yeah, that's what I think we're going to build. their next spot because like how expensive shit is like I'll be looking at Zillow and I don't there's five six hundred thousand dollar houses it's like there's still like I don't fuck with most of this house you know I agree I so I know because I have um the emails coming in all the time from like a realtor I was working with and yeah I mean same thing seven eight hundred thousand dollar houses even in the millions like there was one I saw that was three million and the inside was so dated and I was like okay so you buy the house just to put another you know couple hundred thousand it's crazy

Yeah, shit's crazy. But yeah, we just built a swing set for the boy. He turns one next week. And even that shit, like, I got it from Costco. It was a good deal. And it's like, I actually paid someone to do, like, one days and they didn't finish. And it's just like the never-ending shit from hell. But it's finished now.

And that's the shit that annoys me the most is home projects these days. Has your life changed a lot with having a kid or not really? Yeah. So, I mean, it's definitely like the greatest thing ever. I love my boy. And I've been, I come from a big family. So I've been around babies like pretty much my entire life. I love babies.

Not to sound creepy. But, uh, love babies. But I mean, it's easily the hardest thing I've ever done. Yeah. Keeping a human being alive for the most part. And, uh, but it's, it's super rewarding. So definitely. And it's a mini you.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I definitely see a lot of similarities already. But, uh, it's, it's like the, like your schedule is completely revolved around, you know, nap time. you know, how they're feeling, blah, blah, blah. So it's definitely less, I don't want to say freedom in like a disparate,

but you have less autonomy. Yeah, because it's been cool. No, hell no. And it's cool because it's like, I do better when I'm just hanging out at the crib with the fam. So it keeps me out of trouble. So there's that. Knock on wood, he was a good sleeper and is a good sleeper.

So I just know. So I was child number two. So I just know our next one. We're in for some trouble for sure. Oh, I'm sure. the second one. You got lucky the first time. I know. I know. So, but now it's been great. And my mom lives down the street and her folks aren't far from us. So they've been, but our, our child care, which is nice because that shit gets super expensive. Yeah.

But, uh, I know. Everything costs money. So. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So, I mean, it's been great. And, and, uh, as far as fighting goes, so, like, someone asked me that, I think in Vegas before my, my last fight, they're like, is your life, like, do you take fighting? Like, your training any more serious and I feel like my training hasn't changed at all because like I already took it as seriously as I could and having a kid never really made me because it was already all in at that point but so that hasn't really changed my you know my philosophy and you know my intensity but definitely real life has is not remotely the same as what it was but it's all for the better right so if you weren't fighting what do you think you'd be doing did you have anything else that like if I

never got into it or for when I'm done or both I guess. Maybe both but I'm maybe more so like if you never got into like was there anything else that because I know when we started you were saying how there's other things too that you like not just fighting. I don't want to burn you out with the with the fight. No no it's all good. That's a fucking great question. Oh thank you. I don't know so like when I was younger so I grew up doing golf course maintenance like landscaping

on the golf course that's what my father does and I worked for him like I want to say I was like 12 or 13, which is definitely not legal as far as child labor laws go. I think I was 12 when I first started, like, raking bunkers with just like the sand traps on a golf course and fill in the divvets. And I always wanted to get into that shit when I was younger. And then when I actually started doing it for work, I was like, nah, fuck this shit. Because it's hard. You got to wake up stupid early, a lot of manual labor. And it's like, especially at nice clubs, like the members are super cunty there.

And it's a thankless fucking job. So probably wouldn't be doing that. don't know. I really don't know. Does your dad still do that? Yeah, he still does he loves that shit, which is, which is good for him because most people hate their jobs. That's what I, the older I get, the more I realize, most people hate doing what they spend the most time on, which sucks. And I'm a blessed man that I don't share that. But I don't know. I don't know what I would be doing. I probably something that was in the blue collar field, if I had to guess, maybe HVAC or electrical. But for the post is, I've been,

It's kind of random, but I've been obsessed with buying land and raising cattle, like cattle ranching. Yeah. So, you're not a vegan, are you? No, but I like to try to be. Really? Yeah. So you don't eat steak at all? Okay, so sometimes.

You're worse vegan. My mom was, like, is on and off vegan vegetarian for years, like since I was younger. So I didn't eat meat until I was, God, I don't know, maybe 13 or 14. Really? Yeah. So, like, I didn't even really go to, like, three. shit. Like through puberty for a while.

Like I was like stick thin. You could see my bones because I didn't eat meat. No protein, I guess. Yeah, like no protein. Only would eat beans. And then I- Beans. Oh my God.

Beans only diet. Yes. I think my first meat that I had was like a McDonald's fish filet or something. Filo fish, whatever they're called. I loved it. And I never turned back. Yep. So I eat a shitload of steak.

So like I got a like a, like a, do you know what a trigger is? It's a pellet smoker. It's like a grill and it runs off like these little pellets. Okay. So I smoke a bunch of meat. not to sound provocative. But so yeah. So you want to eat the cattle.

Yeah. Like I want so. Well, good thing I'm not in me. Yeah. Mostly that. But like I was like, God, that'd be so cool. And like the regenerative farming shit is cool to me. If you're going to do it, I feel like that's like, I mean, people say that's the best

way is to get your own eat. And it's like there's definitely issues with factory farming and shit. And I don't want to be like a hypocrite saying that because because I eat me. But I try to source my shit to where it's relatively. humane as as humane as possible right but yeah that's kind of like I like the regenerative farming I probably start off with cattle and then maybe pigs and I actually have chickens at my crib now really yeah so we get we have eight chickens we get like I don't like six to eight or not like six-ish eggs a day awesome yeah so do they taste different like then the storeball I think it's placebo you know what I'm saying

they definitely have like darker yulks than so but um are they organic chicken eggs I don't know if it'd be considered organic. Like what is what is that mean for my eggs from my chicken eggs? Yeah I always so I guess like well there's no I've never given them antibiotics so they probably they would be considered organic I guess. Yeah that's pretty cool though. I'm gonna have to think about that. I really am curious what I would be doing if I wasn't fighting that now. Well I feel I feel like that's a good I feel like that would be a good kind of like once you're older you settle down like living on your farm. What would you be doing? So you wanted to be in the FBI? Why did you have to turn it on me?

I had no idea. Do you have, so you have a degree? Yeah. So, where'd you go? A bunch of places. So I started CCBC. Okay. And then I went to Notre Dame of Maryland.

No, no. Backtrack. CCBC, Mercyhurst, which is in Erie, Pennsylvania. Hated it. Like, total homebody. I really think I went to kind of, like, escape a bad relationship, which, like, it did help with that. But I was only there for. for one semester.

Couldn't stand it. My mom forced me to stay, though. And it taught me a lot. But after that, I came back, went to Notre Dame and Maryland, hated it because it felt like a private school. I don't do well with that. Then I went to Stevenson, which I loved. Did a transfer, got in there, finished out there, got my bachelor's degree in criminal

justice. And then I started to get my master's in crime scene investigation. and then I became an only fan star. So the rest is history. More freedom in that. That's great. Yeah, you know, if I wasn't doing this, I would assume that I'd be going down that path because that was, I was never really good in school. And the whole crime scene stuff, even now, like show-wise, just everything that I feel like interests me the most is things related to that.

But, and I liked the aspect that you could travel around and it wasn't just like sitting down. Like I wanted to do like I wanted to be at the crime scenes. But now that I look back on it, like I don't know if I'd be able to handle that. What, just seeing blood and guts and shit? Yeah, I don't know. Like I sometimes. Yeah. And I know that you kind of get used to it.

But I feel like that might gross me the fuck out. And I feel like I don't know. The world is like a pretty scary place. And I feel like I realize that more and more every day. So. Are you paranoid? You said that your front door is barricaded. With the chair.

with my couch chair. That used to be in here. But yeah, that's my, honestly, I kind of am. Yeah. That's how my wife is also. Like, whenever I'm out there, she bugs out, puts a chair in front of the door. It's scary. And that's the thing is, like, obviously, right now, it's just me.

But I feel like if I did live with, like, Brandon or something, I would get really used to that. And I would be even more scared because then, like, the night's it if he weren't there and stuff like that. Damn, so. Chasing feds. Probably hard to get a job with the FBI, right? Well, that was the other thing.

So I started being in Brandon's videos, and I feel like you pretty much know my personality. It's just I say whatever and do whatever. And I remember hearing a story of a girl that was just like very proper and good girl, didn't get into the FBI. Because I think she said her timing was awful when she, the last time she said she smoked weed was something bizarre, but they didn't let her in. And I would say, okay, so I have no fucking chance of getting in because of the way I speak publicly online. unless they're going to make me some like undercover person. You'd be great at that. Yeah,

soliciting men. You'd be fucking knocking them off left and right. Oh, there we go. That's an exit strategy right there. Maybe. That's got to be desperate too. It's hard to get a job or it's hard to find people who want to work law enforcement. That's crazy.

So I guess it was Brandon's episode. I was listening to that. I had no idea. Yeah. So they drug test probably pretty hard then, right? And I don't do anything like that. So I wasn't concerned about that. but it was more so my online presence.

And I mean, honestly, when Claudia and I decided to stop the podcast, there was like a two days that I was like, my life is over. Really? Genuinely. Yeah, because I, we didn't stop. And then I was like, oh, I'll take it over. Like it was like a, it took, I think maybe, what was it like two days to really decide? Maybe I'll do this on my own. So I really.

And you're just getting burnt out from the order. Same old shit, I guess. When we started, she was single and we were traveling together. And when Claudia was single, she was just a fun, fun old time. She loved to drink. She's a buzzkill now? She's a buzzkill. Whoa.

No, I'm kidding. She's happy in her relationship. And we don't really drink anymore or go out. And we were doing that a lot before. So we had these stories to tell. And it was fun. And it was kind of like a girl talk type of thing. Just the well-ran drylet on it.

Yeah. It's funny. say I actually gave up drinking like I'm going on two months and I was definitely I don't have a problem with it like I can stop at any time like nine weeks out from a fight I never drink right unless on Tyler Chu I've had like a glass of red wine but never before six weeks I'll tell you what the booze is like definitely the enemy of my progress so 100% and I love and I'm not trying to sound judgey or anything because I love getting hammered but it's like oh I do the there's that feeling is a great feeling but it's the aftermath for me and then

I mean, I work out all the time. So if I, if I drink, I do not make it to the gym the next day or two. And it's, it's annoying. It does. Yeah, the hangover suck. Especially the older you get. But yeah, it's fucking, yeah, I'm going to say I'm closer. I might never go back, to be honest.

You shouldn't. I don't really drink anymore. I didn't smoke a bunch of weed to compensate for it. I can't do that either. I get very nauseous and paranoid, yes. From smoking, you get nauseous? Really? Like, to the point where I could throw up.

On the table? On the table. Like, I could barely walk to the back. during this episode then make for good contact. Why? So I think, I can get paranoid. The old bomb. That would absolutely get you some views there. Girl throws up in the middle of show.

Yeah, hell in. No. It doesn't. I mean, we are so fucking strong these days. Yeah. I got a low tolerance. So I got to ease into it. I think it depends on the person though.

I think some people it kind of like eases stress and it makes you feel good. I don't, I never, I mean, since I was young, I tried it in high school and the same thing happen. And I get this weird thing that I, I know. every time three minutes goes by. Really? Yes, like I'll tap my phone and it's always three minutes after.

It freaks me out. Yeah, that's fucking strange. I much rather get wasted on tequila. Really? Make stupid decisions. Have my alter ego, psychotic person come out for a few hours and then. You just, like, for me anyway, like,

so I go to the gym all the time high and productive. Like, I kind of have the reverse. I know a lot of people who smoke weed and are super lazy. Obviously, not everything's for everyone. But I'm like, I'll get so self-conscious if I don't do the shit that I'm supposed to be done.

If I'm high, that I'll like, it'll almost force me to not be lazy. But if I have one beer, well, I can't really have one beer. That's an issue with me. It's like, it's all or nothing. But if I have one. Yeah. If I have one beer, yeah, I'm very similar in that regard. I just know that I'm like, if I'm supposed to work out, that it's not going to happen.

Right. Definitely not. But to each their own, I guess. You like tequila, though? That shit's fucking gnarly. I don't like the taste of it, but I like the way it makes me feel. it makes me just the craziest version of myself, which I love. That girl is just, I mean, that's the thing is I feel like growing up I always had so much confidence just like naturally.

And then as I've gotten older, I always overthink things now and it's just so fucking annoying. Because I remember there was a point where I didn't care. And then when I drink alcohol, it's like that girl comes back out and I like that girl. I just wish she would always be there without alcohol. Yeah, I just fucking, I do. I have no control over myself. Yeah. I tend to to irritate the ones that I love or that love me most whenever I'm super hammered.

I do that too. And honestly, that was one of the reasons I stopped. And like, there's times too where I'll go with Brandon. He's like, oh, like, have a glass of wine with me. You're going to drink? And I was like, no. And I was like, you remember how I act when I get drunk? You don't, that girl should not come out.

Like, because that's what I noticed too is I don't really like the way I act towards him or the people that I care about. Like, I've said this a million times. But Claudia never gets the wrath of me. like the one person that never experiences the bad side but everyone else they should just beware do you get depressed when you drink the day after yeah the blues i'm like i'm kind of a depressive person i've had issues with it in the past and like if i'm in that kind of it comes and goes but if i if i if i'm feeling down i drink it's like a hundred percent becomes self-medicating and fucking woe is me which is

not useful you know what i'm saying it's not it's not good for me so yeah i might just never go back on Honestly. I was at my homie's boxing match at, where was it, Maryland Live, like whenever, a couple months ago. And I was having a few beers and I just woke up the next day. I was like, eh, I think I'm fucking over this shit. And then that was pretty much right. I think that it's really fun in the moment. But like the aftermath is just not worth it at all. Like by any means. I haven't done it in a while. I don't care for it. But I can't deny it's a good time. Yeah. Fucking right. Like I said, I love getting hammered. It's fucking awesome. We can think of it. I know. I always. say like I wish there was a pill that I could take that would alcohol a pill yeah but then you don't with no hangover yep I mean imagine that that'd be pretty nice I can't remember who said it it's a great quote of there's no biological free lunch so like you drink coffee you crash if I can you know you do some molly there's the roll off behind it you get drunk and you get hung over it's like right it's a nice reminder you know exactly karma you know yeah in a in the sense

You like Buddhism at all? Speaking of karma? Do you follow any... I do. I do. Yeah. I actually got a couple books on it. Yeah.

Not too long ago. Do you remember which ones? No. They were Amazon books that I read. It was, I can say it was all by the same guy, but he was like, I don't know his name. It was actually really good, though.

Because I have a brain that can't really understand things easily. So like, I need things broken down. Yeah. To really understand. And I like... Click notes. Like, no, like they need to just, they need to just, they need to say word for word what they mean.

Like I can't read a sentence that doesn't make sense. Right. Because like somebody- I think most people can't read sentences that don't make sense. No. Listen. Like Brandon is super smart. Like he can like read something so complex and understand it.

Whereas me I need it to be like written very clear. Synthesize? Yes. Yeah. So fighting has brought me down to a bunch of different, you know, philosophy when we were talking about earlier and I'm interested in a bunch of different shit. And definitely none of the, none of the metaphysical shit in Buddhist. because there is some weird shit that goes along with certain schools.

But like from sheer what they'll call like secular Buddhism or whatever, sheer philosophical like guidelines, I guess, for a good life. I've paid attention to it less the last few years. But I got into it like hard, hard, like two or three years ago. Like you said, there's a lot of good books on it, a lot of good podcasts on it. I don't even know how the fuck. I guess karma is how this came up. Yeah.

Yeah. Do you pay attention to philosophy at all? I do. So I'm very into. So I grew up, well, no, I grew up Jewish and then kind of converted to Christianity because my mom decided to. So I grew up like with all of that stuff. And I never wanted to do it because I always say she's going to be listening.

And I don't like that I say this, but she forced me to go to church in high school. And like obviously when you're in high school, that's the last thing you want to do is wake up on Sunday morning after you got wasted to go listen to a pastor speak. So I didn't. And I got all these Bible verses tattooed to my body. Like, fuck, I had like 10 of them. I have a cross. tattoo and I'm like not religious at all.

Yeah, I have a cross too. And it's just, well, I don't regret it because let me tell you, I like, I think that some of the quotes, I guess they're not called quotes, but some of the quotes in the Bible I think are really good and they have a lot of meaning. Yeah, there's a lot of wisdom in that book. And I think that I really think that with every religion, though, there's something that you could pick out from each one that you're like, okay, I can relate to that or that's a good thing to live by.

But I feel like I focus on, I would say being a good person, but like I'm not always a good person but I try to do the right thing and I'm just trying to grow within myself and I like to lean on different books and philosophies and psychology and all of that stuff to help me learn to be a better person and like I said I feel like I've changed a lot like I feel like there was a point where I felt like I didn't need any books for help and now I feel like I need help to just flourish more as a person so that's kind of what's your favorite book that you've ever read oh my my God, I don't like to read that much. So, my favorite

book, I don't know. I've read a lot of self-help. I will tell you that I prefer self-help books over... Like fiction. You don't read fiction at all? I recently read, I think last year I finished the Harry Potter series. That shit is dope.

So you like to read. Yeah, yeah, I read quite a bit. Yeah, not me. But you should read the book, The Alchemist. I don't know if you... Oh my God, I have it upstairs. That's my favorite. That's my... Really like that. I only did Wow I only did

maybe the first It's a short read It is I think I only read the first five pages So you're telling me I should go back and finish it Fuck yeah that book is great Now I'll finish

It's upstairs It's like the only book I kept That one's dope That's probably my favorite But yeah that's got great What are the metaphors in there Okay Will I understand now?

Yeah hell yeah It's like real Like honestly like a middle schooler Could read it I think But it's about finding Vocation and shit like that I got to get this bug. If you see him, get him.

I'm not sure if I got him. Well, he's a new way. Slow reflex is there? I know, I see. He flies by. Damn, you got the speakers up there? That's pretty sick. Bluetooth?

My house speakers, yeah. Damn. This is a dope setup over here. That came with the house. This fixture did? No, the speakers. The fixture I got myself. Picked it out from Home Depot.

That's my favorite store. Is it? Yep. I'm torn with Home Depot. They got good stuff and it's not that expensive. Yeah. Compared to other places. I'm a big crate and barrel.

guy, believe it or not. Now that shit's expensive. Hell yeah. We got this after I won my debut, we bought a dope-ass bar cart and a sick Acacia Wood dining room table. I was literally eyeing those bitches up for like two years and then bam. They're nice. They're fucking right. Yeah. Yep, big home decor guy, believe it or not. I'm all about that shit. So you're a man of just like many interests, it seems like. Yeah, what is it. Renaissance man. That's what I sure. I think that's like well, well-rounded. I could be wrong. So that sounds right. Yeah, right? Someone who's, yeah, I try to be, you know, broad in my interests.

That's cool, though. Yeah, it keeps you on your toes, open-minded. It does. Yeah, you're going to have to. If you become the female rogue and you're going to have to be a woman of many interests. I know. And I really am becoming that. And that's a thing, too.

Well, that's what, going back to what I was saying, there was really that two-day period that I really thought that like, okay, so my naked body is online. I'm never going to get another job. And I no longer have a podcast with my best friend. So I literally felt like I hit rock bottom. You really think OnlyFans cancels you for future employment? Tucker. I don't know because I feel like, so from what I, so granted like my understanding of the workplace is blue collar folk.

But America as a country is having a hard time finding employees in like every sector, right? That's true. I just, you know. You should be based off, judged off your credentials, not off of. That's true. But you know how they, I only say that because you know, when we were like getting out of high school, everybody was changing their names on Facebook

because they didn't want the college, or the colleges to see them with alcohol. So I feel like jobs are probably the same way. I'm sure I could find a job that would be willing. After COVID, the workforce is fucked. No one wants to work anymore. Yeah. So it's like you could find,

not saying that you have to. Imagine how beat, sorry to cut you off, but imagine how beat like a real job would be right now. Oh, I know. But that was the other thought I had. I was like sitting there thinking, what the fuck am I going to do? And I mean, even now like I do this,

I'd say this is full time that we're doing. I mean, we talk every day. We're filming like a couple times a week. But we're not making any money from it yet. Like it's just solely, we're just building it. But which is, I'm fine with. It's like the startup phase of a company. But I'm passionate about it and I like it.

And, you know, I feel like the reason kind of all of this happened was because I've been doing only fans for almost two years now, I think. And obviously I've done well from it. But I think when I started, like I was saying, I was saying, I was a very different person. Like I just didn't care. I mean, since I was young, I just, I've never been modest. I just didn't give a fuck.

And now, it's like the first time I'm in like a really healthy, good relationship. And it's, you know, we're going on two years. And I don't like doing it anymore, you know? And it's just not my thing. The only fans? Yeah. So you're bouncing? Yeah.

Like, it just doesn't. It brings me more depression, I would say, and just. annoyance than it does making me happy. That's kind of like social media. People are so much more sad these days, I feel like. And it's like just life is a fucking dick swinging contest, you know? And it's like, look at me, I'm doing better than you and I'm going to let you know. When everyone's sad at the end of the day, you know what I'm saying?

Or most of those folks are. It makes us worse. Yeah. Social media does not help at all. And I think, too, I feel like that could be another reason why, like I feel like I've lost myself, like who I really am because it's this constant comparison game. That's why I try to tell myself all the time, just be yourself. But yeah, I mean, the goal before was for the podcast to eventually, hopefully replace

the only fans thing. And then it didn't go in that direction. So when we decided to stop, I was like, I'm fucked. I just had no idea what I was going to do. And then when I decided to do this, it originally started where I was like, yeah, I could interview people and I didn't really think much into it. And then, you know, we just started brainstorming ideas. And that's kind of when I was like, I want to take this further than just interviewing people I know. Like I wanted to be people from all different walks of life. And, you know,

I want I also want to open up to a new audience. Like, like I said, before it was a lot. It was mainly like females, like young. Probably I'd say like, I don't know, maybe 17 to mid 20s. And now it's like, you know, doing one like this and then doing an episode with Jason, with Afghanistan. I feel like Hopefully that can diversify. Yeah. Most of your following has got to be dudes though, right? Okay, so it was, but not ever since the podcast, I feel like it's kind of, yes, which does not help the only fans. But like your Instagram has got to be mostly dudes, really.

Is there a way to find that out? You can look at the analytics, which it used to be 50-50, and now I only have like 30% men. Really? Uh-huh. But it makes sense because it goes hand in hand. Like with the only fans, you can keep track too of like obviously the numbers of everything. A lot of girls buy your shit on only fans? I've had a few.

But I think that they look at it. A couple dozen. I think that they look at it, no, not even that much. Maybe 10 total over the last two years. But I feel like they look at it because they want inspiration of like making their own. Their own only fans. Yeah, because I've done that too. Like I'll look at like Lana Rhodes or other bigger girls and see what they're posting.

Because you run out of ideas. Okay. It's got to be hard to be original, right? Yeah, I'm probably not original. The one thing that this actually kind of. funny because I feel like you probably wouldn't assume that this is on there. I'll just give you some humor. But there's this guy that's on there and he's really into having girls like dominate him. Like just talk horribly about him, right? Yikes. I teach the run I guess. Yes. So listen, so this is what

this guy's into and he asked me to send him this video of me just like screaming at him. Okay. Like a selfie video. Nothing crazy. And I do it and he responds like so happy saying that he's asked like 20 different only fans girls to do it that are like pro dominatric. girls and I'm the first one that like nailed it. He paid you to do it? Yeah, like $200. $200 to yell at them. Yeah, for a selfie video, like two minute video. I'm in the wrong fucking business. Yeah, you are. I'm about to be on only fans at the end of this day. Good Lord. It's crazy though because I mean, I feel like in that sense, maybe I'm more original than I thought because he's been asking these professional dominatrix chicks, but they can't, they can't nail the

insults like I can. Can I ask you questions about only fans? All right. So like, I got, what is the Genesis, like, how did it start? So, I was posting like, I feel like I'm, like, I mean, I show my body online, um, even on Instagram. Like, I feel like I was always in like, like, either my underwear or bathing suits. And before Britain and I started dating, we were just kind of hanging out. He was like, instead of posting you and your underwear on your stories on Instagram, this is when only fans like first started getting big. He was like, why don't you post it on only fans get paid for it? So it started kind of like lingerie, sports bra. I know. I have a, A few unnamed buddies who are investors and on your page.

I'm sure you do. I figure that. I always know or figure that there's definitely a good amount of people that have seen it, which I don't care. I try to think, too, like when I post, like, would I care if the world saw this? Probably not. And that's a thing, too. Like, I know I look good.

I just think it's, I want to be more than just the only fans chick, you know? And I know I can be because I'm cool and I have a cool personality. and I'm going to fucking kill it. I'm going to be Devorah Rogan. That's awesome. That's pretty vulnerable there. You know what I'm saying? So how does it go from like lingerie to like booty hole pictures?

How does that, is it just the carrot of people throwing money at you, I guess? I think what happens is you start to see the numbers going down. Right. And then you're like, we got to get a little bit more ratchet. And now I'm at a point that it's, did you get him? No, I'm too slow. Now I'm at a point where it's just like they just keep going down. So it's like there's really nothing else I can do.

And I don't do, full disclosure, I don't do any like porn type shit at all. Would you ever if the price, if the price was right? No. What if like Brazzers came with like $3 million for five scenes? No. Three mil is a no go? Like a hundred million, sure. For five scenes?

I'll do a whole sex. tape for 100 million. But if you're not offering me that, no. I'd probably fucking do some shady shit for three million bucks, to be honest. Depending. I mean, look, I think what happened was that, well, the other thing was, then I, when I first started, I didn't have my boobs done yet. And then I got my boobs done. And I was okay, now I really don't care because they're plastic anyway. Right. And like, guys, that was like kind of a, it's funny because when I look back sometimes, I'm like, oh my God, like, there was a point where I thought it was like a big deal to wear like a see-through top. And now it's just not.

The extreme end of the spectrum. Mm-hmm. I think it's dope that you're open about it though. Yeah. I mean, I don't care. Look, I wouldn't have what I have if it wasn't for that. And I'll never be the kind of person that when I am out of it, I'm like, oh, my God, I regret doing it. I should have done it because it was who I am.

And I feel like I am confident enough to do it and I do it well. But it's gotten to a point where I don't enjoy it anymore. It does. It's like this. I like to come down here and use my brain to like memorize questions or think of questions and learn about people that I don't really know much about or what they do. But with OnlyFans, like, I have no motivation to fucking put on lingerie that I don't even give a fuck how I look in it.

Like I don't have no motivation. Like I don't care. Like I don't care for these men to see me. I just don't fucking care anymore. Like at this point, it's not even like I do it because I need the money because I need this. Like I want to get this going. this going. Yeah.

But if I didn't have to do it, I wouldn't. Do you have like a Patreon for the podcast yet? I don't like Patreon. Yeah. Have you ever used them before? Yes. I was thinking about doing it for my podcast. Let me tell you why.

Talking rounds, by the way. I don't think I mentioned my podcast. Yeah, I'm going to link it anyway. Don't worry. I gotcha. But so Julie listens to a podcast on Patreon that she likes. Which one is it? Okay, word.

That's awesome. Thanks. All right. My food. He's the comedian? Nice. Mm-hmm. So I was doing it for more workout content.

I'm just thinking that this guy is probably thinking what the fuck are these people doing. But yeah, I did it for workout content. But the reason I didn't like it is because they don't allow you to just upload a workout video. Like they make you buy a subscription to something called Vimeo or like they make you uploaded on YouTube. Yeah, yeah. That's what Rogan used to be on like way, way, way back in the day. Yeah. So when I would upload my workout videos to that,

And then to Patreon, it would dumb down the quality. So it was just like, it would be so much better if I could just upload the workout video and be like, here you go. So I hated it. But you can just have people throw you dough on there, no, right? Or if like you can do like extra content for a podcast. I haven't looked much in it. Well, now you know they have that for Instagram, I think. But you can, people can pay for, um, is it extra stories?

I think if you can do like a subscription to see. Really? Yeah. Which is easier because it's all in one app. They should, I like that better. Yeah, that sounds dope. But I don't know. I mean, I kind of posted, when I did have the Patreon, I would do some bonus episodes.

They were short, but just with me and Claudia. Did you guys make money off that show, if you don't mind me asking? Yes. So that was kind of like another reason we got out of it. But when we first started, we signed with a company who completely ripped us off. The only good thing we got out of it was that we got to, well, it wasn't a free trip to L.A. It was free stay. But that was fun.

You had to pay for the plane and shit. You paid for the plane. But we're, you know Logan Paul and Mike Maylack and stuff? I mean, I know of them. Yeah. I'm not homies with them. Well, we know that. No, so we got to meet them.

So that was cool. It was a really cool weekend. We'll never forget it. But so that was the only thing we got good out of that company. And then we dropped them because we made no, we were doing so many brand deals and we made no money from it. So you're just getting free shit, I guess? Kind of, but not even. Like, we were doing these ads in the middle of the podcast.

And they were like telling us, okay, in a month, you're going to get paid. And then we never got paid. So we stopped with. them and then we signed with a new company who was legit but in my opinion I think we're getting jipped like we were not making what we should be like we pull in decent views on YouTube if you ask me for a podcast and I think they were selling us out for like 300 bucks an ad when it should be like I wouldn't even accept that on my main YouTube channel which I don't even post on yeah so I guess the way to do it is just have advertisers pay you right yeah that's like the most lucrative way

yeah and YouTube pays you too so like if you're getting good a good amount of views, you'll get paid through Google. So, like, I mean, it's not much unless you're getting, like, hundreds and thousands or millions. But it's a little bit. And then, yeah, the best thing is to have a company that brings in different ads for you. And, like, they buy spots in your show. So you can do, like, anywhere. I'd say anywhere from, like, one to three ads an episode.

And then they'll pay you for that ad spot. And it's usually like 60 seconds to two minutes. But we were getting, we were getting paid, but it was only like, maybe like four, K a month or something and that was split so it was like two two thousand which like hard to live off of impossible yeah you know so it's like and honestly we weren't even doing it's better than nothing though it is better than nothing we don't make shit on our show yet but we got small small yeah numbers but i mean it's it was one of those things that it was good because we were able to get all of our supplies from it and you know it was stuff like that which is great and like our camera but they gave you these

mics no no like we were able to use the ad money so it wasn't like personal reinvest yeah Yep. So, yeah, and I got my cool little setup. But this came from my own money, this table, and these chairs. Got to keep racking it on only fans for now. Fuck it, you know, just for a little bit longer, I guess. Yep. And then I hired my producer, Julie, and here we are. Julie, chilling. Yeah, she listens and monitors and does her thing. There you go.

Yeah, I mean, it's cool, though. It's definitely, it's a fun life. I don't regret anything. And I love all of it, even this. stuff that I don't really love, but, you know, it's just, it is what it is for now. Hell yeah. Well, probably a good spot to cut it, right? Yeah, I think we're good. Unless there was anything else you wanted to talk about. No, not really.

Ground control, Owings, Mills, come check us out. Yeah. And your podcast, talking grounds. Talking grounds, yeah, mostly talking about. Talking rounds at a round table. That's good. That's creative. My partner wants to get on the YouTube bad, but I don't know.

I feel like there's a lot of fucking negativity on that, you know what I'm saying? A lot of haters. There is, and it opens you up to the comment section, which is not, unless you turn it off. I avoid the comments. Yeah, I wouldn't read them. Even like, so I learned, so dragging on. No, you're fine. But the contender series fights, like, even fights that I won, you know what I'm saying?

People just, you're, there's no pleas and I'm talking mad shit, you know what I'm saying? Is that stuff that you hear that's, like, live of people talking about? No, it's just fucking comments, like an idiot, but now I don't read that shit about. Where is there comments on it? Like, just different websites or something? Like on the UFC's Instagram, they'll, like, post to the winner. whatever like postpate and be like whatever Tucker won and their you know dog shit performance and it's like ever since then it's like you just can't read them next like who the fuck would even

do that you know what I'm saying people that are miserable yeah gotta be super miserable with their lives yeah assholes but yeah I mean that's that definitely YouTube opens up to that but I think sometimes like I was saying I think for us it kind of makes sense because people like to watch and I mean I got it already had it established too which is good I got a pretty set up here so it's like people like to see and I think so there's some people that like the visual and then there's a people that just you want to listen in the car. Right. Transit.

Like yours I like to listen to and it was like I was saying I turned on in the car. And then when I came in, I was going to turn it off. But I was actually into it. Good white noise. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. I listened.

So yeah. Ground control Owings Mills. We're right on Owings Mills Boulevard in Reisterstown. Come get trained by the best. Yeah. Tuesdays and Thursday morning. So I'm telling you should come in. We could talk more off air, but get a free trial.

So Claudia was supposed to come in but bluff hard. I know. She's a bluff. Fickle. Yeah. A fickle individual. We'll have to come in for sure. Sure. I need to learn some moves because I need to defend myself.

Well, say less. All right. Sounds good. Well, thank you. I'm glad that I got to have you on. Yep. Thanks for having me on.