We're All Insane - R*ped Under Anesthesia

Episode Date: November 27, 2023

Dea shares her personal experience as a survivor of sexual assault by a medical professional, that being her pain management doctor Dr. Leng Ky. This story sheds light on the importance of raising awareness about such issues within the medical community and promoting a safe environment for patients. If you have a unique story you'd like to share on the podcast, please fill out this form: https://forms.gle/ZiHgdoK4PLRAddiB9 or send an email to [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey guys, it's me Devorah. I just dropped an all new bonus episode inside my new subscription channel, We're All Insane Plus. This week's bonus episode is called My Brain was slipping into my spine. Listen now by subscribing to We're All Insane Plus inside your Spotify or Apple Podcasts app or go to we're all insane.com. Hi, my name is Dea. I was raped by my doctor and several members of his staff. So, yeah, this whole thing that happened to me was kind of something that had happened to me before, but in like the most extreme sense possible. Like this was like the sexual assault experience that just like broke me. Like I'd been through a lot of things before.

And I think, well, we know that's why he chose myself and at least one of the other victims that wanted to come forward. So essentially, like, he sent this woman named Tracy to act as a sort of therapist in, you know, at his practice. And, you know, she was, like, very focused on my trauma history, which I thought was, you know, like, it's normal, but she was, like, very, how should I say? morbidly curious about like details that I'd never experienced with other therapists before. And weirdly enough, like the only reason that I saw her was because Lang-key, the guy who, you know, raped all of us, you know, basically asked me out of the blue, out of nowhere during a checkup, you know, whether or not I had ever been raped before. And I was like, taken aback, you know, and I was like, well, yeah. I don't know why I even answered him honestly, but I just like, I don't know.

Like, he just caught me off guard. So he was your doctor? He was my pain management doctor, yeah. The best pain management doctor I'd ever had. And how long were you seeing him? About, I think, like a year and a half at that point. And how, it was so it was a year and a half in that he asked you the rape question? Yes.

Okay. Yeah, it was fairly close towards the time where I think he was like testing boundaries. with me to see if I would be, you know, like a good enough, you know, mark for him. Okay. And then he had this woman reach out to you for like therapy reasons. Right. Like he was like, oh, I'm expanding my practice, you know, to have these therapists who work, you know, there's like a mind-body connection between, you know, sexual assault and pain and, you know, and which is true, you know, like that was something. He knows that I'm really into like reading studies and things like that. So like, you know, he even offered, you know, to show me the studies or whatever.

But like I said, I had already known about it. So it didn't like ring as many alarm bells as it normally would. I just thought like, I don't know, reading my body language or something and able to tell that it might be something that I needed. I don't know. I pretty much through any interaction that I had with him that was inappropriate, like my mind did kind of like somersaults to be like, no, no. You know, he's someone who's there to help me, you know, like he's in a position of like

authority. And I guess it was like, it was like too much to consider. you know, yeah. So, yeah, like, basically, like, I ended up seeing two of his quote-unquote therapists, you know, another woman, she went by Sonia Ulrich. And she actually wasn't even a therapist. She was supposed to be, you know, supervised by an actual therapist. Like, she was still getting her hours in, I believe.

So she was in absolutely no position to be giving therapy and even less so to someone like me. we've had like a very like serious trauma history. So I thought it was very strange. And she had something that she called touch therapy where she would like stroke you to like make you like, you know, stroke your body gently. Like I don't know. It was really weird. And when she was telling me about it, I was like, I don't want that. Do not touch me.

Don't, please don't do that under any circumstance. And she was like, well, it works really well with my other autistic patients. And I'm like, that's great. that's great for them. I just don't do it. So we'll put a pin in that because that comes into play later. Okay. And so like, yeah, so Tracy was extracting all of this information about me. Like she, you know, like, was asking me about my childhood and things like that. And, you know, she would, like, grin in this, like, really weird way. But, like, you know, I know a divergent. So, like, took me retrospectively to realize what it was that she was doing. But I did notice that,

like, you know, it was an unusual reaction for somebody to have. And yeah, she would like, you know, she basically like did something very strange that I, you know, that came in a play later when we went to court and everything like that. But she waved aside some of my like early childhood sexual assault experiences. And, you know, even the pedophile boys. I had when I was 14. She hand waved that away as well. Actually, wait, no, I'm sorry. I was 12 at that time. So even younger, he was my first boyfriend. And, you know, she was like, oh, that's, you know, that's just like how it is. All young girls want to date somebody who's older to seem cool or whatever. And I'm like, okay, that doesn't make it normal or right or good, you know. It's a horrible

thing to say. And, you know, when I was like a little, little kid, one of the neighbors like cousins or friends or whatever, an older kid, he sexually assaulted me. And when I told her about that, she basically, boys are just going to be boys me about it. And I'm like, I, so do you think that this pain management doctor, he, his name's Dr. Lang? Dr. Langki. Yes. Lanky. Okay. So he, you think that he hired these women to basically get more information? That is correct. Okay. They were also in a relationship with him in which they were doing. this in exchange for painkillers. That was how he pretty much got anybody in his practice to do what he wanted is, you know, finding people who liked taking painkillers recreationally, I guess,

and, you know, basically got them to do his bidding because while he was assaulting me, I can't speak for the other girls, but when he was assaulting me, he had Tracy Chester go out and like patrol the parking lot and look for my mom. And, you know, my mom thought it was really strange because she wasn't it was a Saturday she wasn't supposed to be working and she was just going out and like scanning the parking lot and I don't think that she realized that um you know my mom was using our other car that day so she didn't even notice my mom was there um so yeah it definitely was that and and the other guy who was assaulting me Isaiah uh Isaiah Torres um as far as I know he doesn't even have his medical license and he was acting as a nurse essentially um which is terrifying

He's actually a nursing school, the school of the Rockies or something like that right now, and he's living his best life. So he was another person who had actually been working with Lang Kee for years before any of this happened. So this is, it's like really harrowing to think just how many people it was. Because like more people than anybody could count came forward, they just didn't want to be part of the legal proceedings, which I totally understand. It was a lot to deal with. And how long was this doctor in practice for, like total? Do you know?

I don't know, but I do know that one of the other girls, I mean, it was like, it was like a decade ago that he did it. So I don't think that he had like a, you know, resting period in between any of that. Like he was working at multiple hospitals, many of them with like elderly patients and stuff like that too, which is just like, yeah. He has no, you know, he has no hesitation. about like who it is. It's pretty much like anybody who's vulnerable, you know, anybody he's attracted to or not attracted to or whatever, anyone he could get in that vulnerable position.

Do you think it was boys and girls or just? No, it was just women. Okay. Yeah, yeah, as far as we know. Okay. But, you know, it didn't matter what kind of woman or girl, if they were a minor or not. Like, he really did not care at all.

And how old were you at this time? Oh, this was only three years ago. Okay. So it's recent. Yes. Yes. But one of the other victims, like she, I think she was like a minor at the time and she's still very young. She looks like a baby. So it was,

you know, it just was, it's just frightening because there are a lot of kids who need pain management and, you know, need to go under anesthesia and things like that. And, you know, they're even less likely to like understand what happened because after it happened, I actually reported it to Tracy. And she told me, you know, that I had a trauma hallucination and I was like, the like, never heard of. of this before. Never happened before, but now it's randomly happening to me. So I was like, whatever. Um, you know, I'm, I, you know, I initially thought that she was going to like help me report it legally, but it ended up, it ended up going much, much differently, uh, than that when I actually showed up. Um, and, um, I ended up getting attacked by the doctor and Sonia

that time for, I think, two hours, something like that. Um, and, um, yeah, I, do you want would you like me to explain that yeah and also before you go into that okay what for the what was your pain management like what was that so i have scleriderma ellers danlo's syndrome and fibromyalgia i also have a torn bulging and ripped it or torn bulging and compressed discs in my um my um my lumbar as well as um you know between like you know the spine between my shoulder blades um you know there's um rheumatoid arthritis and stuff that is a result of the autoimmune issues. So there was a lot going on. Like, I really needed to see him and have a competent doctor who understood these issues.

Right. He was. Okay. Yeah. All right. So tell us what happened. So with the initial assault, I was supposed to go in for what's called a radio frequency ablation.

And radio frequency ablation is essentially where it's usually like a 30-minute procedure. if it's one location. And you go in, for someone like me, you know, we're put like in a semi-twilight state where I can still respond and things like that, but I'm not like freaking out about the pain because normally you don't need anything for it. But for special patients like myself,

you have to like sedate me a little bit because of the muscle tension that happens involuntarily. So you basically, you know, you go in, you get your anesthesia, you know, they stick a needle in your back and burn off, you know, the nerves that are there, you know, every six months or so until they grow back. And it helps significantly with pain. So I went in to get one of those as I had done many times before with him. And it was just already a really weird vibe when I pulled up and I have no idea how I knew this. But I just, I just like told my mom,

I was like, I need you to like come in with me. Like something. I don't know. I need you to come in with me. And for some reason, like, I just started crying. And I don't know. Something in me just, like, felt something was wrong. And I'll never doubt that feeling again. But yeah, and she was just, she was just like, whatever, you've done this a million times before. You'll be fine. Blah, blah, blah. So I went in and I first thing I noticed is that there are no other patients there, like no one. There are two people behind the counter, one female nurse and Isaiah. And he sends the female nurse away, which I didn't think anything of at the time. I was like, okay, she's going on a lunch or whatever. And I didn't see Tracy, by the way, at this point.

I didn't even know she was there. So Isaiah was there and he handed me the tablet so that I could check in. And the way that he was looking at me was like, it made me very uncomfortable, you know, but I just, I checked in. I did my thing. I gave it back to him. And, We're usually they like, you know, input the information and like finish checking in and stuff before I get back there. But he just like took me back instantly. And I was like, okay, which was unusual for this practice. Which we'll find out why later. But yeah. So I go in and I sit down and Isaiah, he's like acting like he's inputting a lot more information than he actually is because the whole time he's just staring at me like this. And he's got this like kind of like weird like, I don't know, like animal kind of. kind of like grin that he's like trying to like maintain and he was just being so, so strange. And the way that he was moving around me when he took my blood pressure was like, he was like

prowling around me and I was like, whatever. I didn't think much of that because, you know, legally speaking, that female nurse was supposed to be in the room with me when I was getting the ablation. So to my knowledge, she wasn't far away. She would be right back, you know, like I, you know, it just, it had never happened before otherwise, right? So. and Dr. Langke, you know, after my blood pressure cuff was off, he was just in. He was just in like that. And he already had an IV in his hand. Like, you know, he didn't even, you know, he didn't even wipe off my arm or anything. I was just sitting in the chair. He came up to me, you know, started sticking, you know, grab my arm. He's like, we got to give you an IV. And I'm like, what's going on? Why do I

need an IV this time? Why am I not just getting an intramuscular shot? And he was like, well, well, I, you know, it seemed like you were having a bad reaction last time. And, you know, for legal reasons, I just want to make sure that, you know, you're, you're going to be okay. And, you know, if we need to give you something to, to wake you up or whatever, you know, we can. I was like, okay. And at this point, like, I trusted him, you know, I, I had no reason not to. And, you know, I was unconscious, basically before I even got up and hit the table. Like, I have, like, a very, like, blurred memory of even getting up. Like, he basically, like, stuck the IV in. And, and, you know, and then started pushing. Like he had everything just like ready. And the next thing I knew,

I woke up and, you know, his man bits were in my face. And I was, you know, lying down on the table and my pants were pulled down. And, you know, my anus was screaming in agony. And I just remember saying like, no, I don't want to do any more sexual stuff. Stop. I don't want to do it. And I looked behind me and Isaiah was standing behind me. And like, And Leng is, I just hear like this like echo of Leng being like, like, get her down, get her down. Like da-da-da-da-da. And, you know, the next thing after that is me, you know, hearing my mom being like, what the fuck did you do?

What did you do? Why are they like this? What did you do? And, you know, basically like Tracy and Isaiah helped take me to my car. And Dr. Lengke was nowhere to be seen. My mom was like, like, where is he like da-da-da-da-da. Like, why are they so messed up? This is like, you know, I should be able to like still have a full conversation with you

and the level of, you know, the level of anesthesia I should be under. You know, there was no reason I should be like, you know, just like a limp rag doll with absolutely no ability to like speak. And, you know, my mom had me in the car and, you know, we were sitting there for a long, long time until I could basically speak to her. And she was like, what happened? What happened? and I just started crying and I said, I think Dr. Key raped me.

And she was like demanding we go to the police and stuff. But because of other experience I had had in the past, I was like, I was terrified to go to the police and have to, you know, I thought experienced the humiliation of them like looking at somebody who looks like me or whatever or has a mental health history like me and just like hand waving me away. because in my personal experience, that was pretty much what had happened before. So had another victim not gone to the police, I'm not sure anything would have happened. Yeah, which is unfortunate. And I feel like happens more times than not. Yeah. So you were obviously laying down on the bed.

Yeah. And when you woke up, he was basically just like, it was just in your face. Yeah, his, his, you know, half hard member was in my face. And yeah. And I just, it was just like a quick blur. Like, he didn't let me be up. very long. And you were in pain in other areas. Yes. Yeah. And my pants were pulled down, like down like below my butt, you know. And that other doctor or nurse, whatever, Isaiah,

yeah, was just standing in there watching basically. Oh no, he was like, he was behind me. He had been sodomizing me. Yeah. Yeah. He had been taking part in like the whole thing. Okay. Yeah. And were any of the women nurses in there or no? The female nurse was nowhere to be found. So we think that they just like sent her home, which like I have words to say to that nurse if she ever sees this because she knows that it was her responsibility to be in that room. So I, you know, maybe they couldn't find anything on her, but I think that she was also being given painkillers because that's just how he worked. I mean like, and the messed up part is he didn't end up losing his license for raping countless people, okay? Not at all. He lost his license because he was

having sex with a patient and giving her painkillers, like in exchange for sex, essentially. So that's a real, that's a dozy. And that's like one of the reasons why I was like, hesitant to go to the police initially, you know, but once I realized that it wasn't just me being targeted, it's like I have a greater responsibility to do something about it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm Anna Garcia, host of True Crime News, the podcast. Every week, we bring you in-depth coverage on cases making headlines, as well as those that go under the radar. Tune in for murders that defy explanation, mystery seeking exploration, and shocking secrets that will leave you breathless.

Each week, we honor the victims by going beyond the salacious in our search for justice. Crime never stops, and neither do we. Listen to true crime news available now wherever you get your podcast. That's wild. Yeah. That is nuts. Okay, so your mom wanted to go to the police? Yeah. And did you end up doing that or you did you chose not to?

So the first, the first thing that I did actually was I contacted my therapist. Which was the Tracy woman. So Tracy had they, it was so strange. Weirdly enough, he told me, you know, like, I think it would be better for you to see this new therapist, Sonia. She's like better equipped to like, I don't know why he said it like this handled people like you. And I was like, okay. I mean, I'll, I'll see her, you know, and says, josh it out. I mean like Tracy weirded me the hell out. So I was I was okay with seeing somebody else. And she was even weirder. That's even possible. Very strange woman. She like spoke in a voice like this and like tried really hard to seem like she was like so soft and calm and like I love Reiki, you know, type of lady, which I don't trust anybody like that. I'll be honest. Like they they creep me out.

So she was completely laxadaisical about her attitude about me telling her that my doctor raped me. She came up with this little, you know, she and Tracy came up with this little trauma hallucination, BS. And, you know, essentially we're like, okay, come on down and we'll, you know, we'll take care of this. So to me, that implied that we were going to be doing the right thing, reporting him to the board, reporting him to the police, you know, and I would have like my. therapist there backing me up. So I felt comfortable doing that. You know, I was like, okay, cool. Like, it's not just my word against, you know, somebody in a much, you know, greater social position

than I am. He has much higher social credit, I guess you could say. So, um, I went in and the first thing that I noticed again, um, is that there are no patients there, um, which, okay, you know, it was like, I think it was like a Sunday or a Saturday. I don't know. I, I, I don't even know if it was, actually. They might have just canceled all appointments. Anyway, there was no one there. Sonia calls me into her office. I go inside and I see that, like, her chair or her sofa or whatever that she normally

sits in is, like, really, really close to the patient one. And I'm like, I'm just going to make sure I reiterate her not to not to fucking touch me, man. Don't touch me, you know, in case she forgot. And so I go in there. and, you know, she sits like really close to me directly across me and she's just, you know, very, very intensely like what happened. And, you know, I start explaining these things to her and blah, blah, blah. And, you know, she, like I said, started giving me this excuse about like, oh, yeah, like it's

normal for someone who's been raped before to have these trauma hallucinations, like yada, yada, and I'm like, okay, well, I just don't believe that. I want to report him. Let's report him now. you know, like they can, they can figure out what's going on once they investigate. So let's, you know, get this going on. And as I was like trying to explain, like, no, I've not had a trauma hallucination before. No, it shouldn't have been happening to anyone.

You know, she was like, you're hysterical right now. You're being hysterical. And I'm like, the way that she said it, she sounded absolutely nuts. She was like, you're hysterical right now. And you are being hysterical. And I was like, I'm very certain I am not being hysterical right now, ma'am. Like, I'm very chill. And immediately, like, after I was like, you know, denying very calmly that I was not hysterical because I had like a mission in my mind, um, Dr. Lanky bursts in the door. And he has a syringe in his hand. And I'm like, what the fuck? What is he doing here? What is he doing here? I'm like, and I start screaming at the top of my lungs like, no, get away from me. And Sonia, she's right across from me. And normally I might have been able to like, you know, get, scramble my way out of there. But like, she just pounced on me and pushed me down.

And Lenke injected me with whatever the hell was in that syringe. And I wake up in the fetal position in Sonia's lap. And she's like caressing me down from my hair, down like, you know, my legs, down my ass. And I'm just like, you know, like completely drugged. Like, what the hell happened? She was like, we had to drug you because. You know, you were, you were completely hysterical. You were like a wild animal.

And we, you know, and now you're safe. Now you're safe. And I was like, ugh. Like, get off of me. And I like got up and I was stumbling. She's like, you need to come back here. You can't drive right now. And I was like, stay away for me.

I was like, stay left. Did you drive yourself there? I drove myself there. Just I didn't think that I was going to be under any influence at all. So you think he did something to you? Oh, absolutely. Both of them did. I was completely blacked out that time.

He made sure he learned from his little oopsie that last time. I was the only person who woke up during anything. And it's because he forgot, I guess, that I take like extra anesthesia to go down for whatever reason. How long, do you know how long you were blacked out for this time? About like two hours. Yeah. Like, I mean, this conversation I had with her, I mean, it was like within like a matter

of like three minutes or something. It was a very short amount of time before. And I was so confused when she was like, you're hysterical because I was like, what is happening? Right. I was like, let's just go to the police. They're right down the street. Like literally the police are like right around the street from where he did it. So like, I mean, he just feels like he can get away with absolutely everything.

Yeah. I cannot believe that. Yeah. Yeah. And I can't believe that he thought that he could like do it again too, like when I went in. That's what I'm saying. Like the fact that he, and it escalated, it like escalated to such a higher degree. Yeah.

And obviously he was like ready. Yeah. Yeah. And I, he could have killed me. Like I ever since that happened and I had that, you know, like that series of druggings. I've had, you know, like issues with like my brain fog and things like that. Like keeping, I have like moments where I feel completely lucid. Like right now I'm feeling like, okay.

But there are times where like I, you know, I can't remember. the beginning of my sentences and I can't remember what I'm doing like all the time like I used to be like pretty pretty sharp putting on top of my stuff in terms of you know um remembering what I had to do that day or what date it was you know um and then I have narcolepsy now too on top of everything else so like whatever he did really really messed you know messed me up neurologically and migraine so I had just had 45 injections um you know for a Botox for my migraine so yeah. So after you tried to get up, but did you, were you able to leave or they didn't let you leave yet? I mean, she was like trying to like hold me back from leaving and I was just like like elbowing the hell out of her and I was like get the hell away from me.

I don't think she wanted to play with me because I was like, like, I was like snarling like then I was like a wild animal. Like get away from me. What's sick too is like you were when you were acting calm and fine, they inject you. And now when you're actually like flipping out, they're like, okay, well, we're done to. and what we needed to do. Exactly. They're like, we're done with you.

Get out. You know, there's a little thing to us, you know. It's, all right. And the stories from the other girls are like just as harrowing.

Like one of the girls, like, and I'm not sure anything would have happened, you know, had the other victim not recorded it. Like, he had raped her multiple times. And I don't know if it happened to me multiple times.

That's the problem. Is that like... Those are the times that you like know of. Right. Yeah. So like, because like the two in radio, frequency ablations I had before that, he was like, you know, oh, well, if you don't want to be in any

pain at all, like, you know, I'll just give you a tiny bit more and you'll just have like a quick nap and, you know, then. So he was putting you under the other times as well. Two times before that he did. And you just didn't wake up during that time. Yeah, correct. Correct. And but like to my knowledge, there were like other people there. There were other patients there. Right. But he had a way of the, the, to my, this is what the police apparently said. I, you know, Um, they said that he would have a way of like convincing, um, the staff members who were not in on it to just like go on their lunch or, you know, uh, go home early or make some excuse. I need you to go get X, Y and Z for me. Like it has to be done now. Like, and he just like listening to the way that

he spoke to his employees, like I, I just knew that he, you know, like that's very possible for him. Like he, when he was giving me my ablation one time, he was looking at that female nurse, the one that, like, was leaving. He was like, yeah. He's like, he's like, okay, did I get the spot? And you're back? I was like, yep. I was like, it's in the right spot. And he's like, see, it's almost like I know what I'm doing. And he said that like five times during that procedure. And I was like, this is really obnoxious, man. Like she gets it. Like, whatever she said, she gets it. Like, you know, but he just has this like really, I don't know. Like, he just really looks down on people who aren't men, I think. He just doesn't think very much of them, which is terrifying because he has a daughter,

like, little, he has little little kids. And the whole time, he had a $5 million bail, by the way, because they didn't think he was going to stick around. Like the, oh my gosh, my brain's farting right now. Anyway, they, it was like a huge sting operation, basically, them getting him and keeping track of his doings and so on. But yeah, anyway, he was basically just like going to Hawaii with his kids like I don't even know if you're allowed to do that when you're on bail or not like I you know maybe you can but he was just living his best life and he made an Instagram or sorry it's a Twitter account like on my birthday just so that he could and his like little bio says like don't believe everything you read about me and he's like oh like it makes me want to strangle him he was like posting things

about like trans rights and things like that and you know like black lives matter and you know like me too that's right me too especially that one really made me upset because it's like he doesn't care about anyone he doesn't care about anything like he just lives for himself like he he is not the kind of man who is capable of having actual empathy like it's just all empty you know he only can feel sorry for himself like you only feel sadness for himself you know like he was like trying to intimidate the witnesses when when we first went into trial um he's not supposed to even be on the same damn floor as us until we're in that courtroom and um he came up like you know we're supposed to come in early blah blah blah we were all sitting together he comes up with his sleazy lawyer and comes within like

feet of us and i'm like if this man's away from here or i'm going to bitch slap the dick out of him he's going to be gone get him out of here like get him out of here or all get him out of here basically And they were like, okay, they took that very seriously because, like, you know, I don't want to, I didn't want to mess up the case, but like all of the girls started like sobbing and crying and, like, having panic attacks and shit. And he was just like, he was loving it. He was loving it. And I was just like, oh.

So I stared at him in the eyes the entire time that I was testifying against him. Because that's what he was doing to us. And he was like making the other witnesses like nervous wrecks, you know? And he was just like, so I was like, I'm just not going to, you know, I'm not going to break eye contact. with him. Like, I just want him to know that, like, I will come for him. And, you know, we're not going to let this go. And he tried, he dragged it on for three whole years by switching attorneys over and over and over again. And I have no idea how he did this. His family has lots and lots of money. Um, but he was able to get the judge to not normally a judge is going to be like, no,

stop. You, you've changed attorneys three times. Like the trial is happening. That's, you know, you're wasting our time, you know, basically. Like, they, they don't have, a lot of tolerance for, you know, if it's very obvious that they're just trying to stall the trial, which he was. So, yeah, anyway, but he got it to go on for three whole years until we got another judge who was like, yeah, you can't do that. Right. Setting a date now. So when you left there that other time and went home, did you tell your mom what happened? Um, yes. I actually called her when I was on the way home. I had her on speaker phone and she was like, like, what's wrong with you?

She was like, why are you talking like that? Because I was like slurring my words and like, but I was like so freaked out. Like I, and I shouldn't have driven. Don't don't don't get drugged and drive kids. But like I was so freaked out about being. Yeah, you want to get out of there. Yeah, like I just panicked. I was like shaking like and I was like, you know, like I dropped my keys like five times.

Like just trying to get into my own car like thinking like, oh my God, oh my God. Like they're behind me. And I was like looking behind me. They didn't, they didn't even come out. So like I. I don't know. So was it after that time that you decided that you were going to go forward? Yes.

So I was like preparing what I was going to say and what I was going to do. I wasn't, I just, I don't think I was like ready to handle a rape kit situation. I think I was like, that was like just on another level. Like it was like they call, they call that whole process the second rape for a reason, you know? Like it's a lot. So I wanted to like make sure that I, that I, you know, I even saw him one last time after that just to see, like, you know, how he would, and he pretended like nothing had ever happened.

Like, he just, like, refilled my medication was like, okay, you know, that's it. You know, so I thought that was really interesting because he just assumed that I was, I guess, a fucking idiot. And it just was wiped from my mind forever and, you know, everything was fine. Maybe he thought that you were so vulnerable and naive and scared that you wouldn't say anything. thing. Right, right. Or that nobody would believe you. The really fucked part is that like I was on like a very, very low dose of like pain killers at that time. You know, my, my illness wasn't like quite as progressed as it is now. And when I started seeing him, he like insisted that I be on like these like monumental like doses and he would

like have these like long like 30 minute long explanations as to why I should be doing it and yada yada. he just had a way about him that made it feel like, you know, he was really looking out for your best interests and that like, you know, like, he just wanted you to be comfortable. Like he was like, everybody deserves to like live without pain. I'm a chronic pain patient. You know, that was like his whole like, and was that like he was a chronic pain patient. So he understood. And so he basically, like, knew that I would have to come in for at least one more med refill either way, you know, before I found another doctor. It's, it's hard to find a pain management doctor. who can like handle patients who are like as serious as I am.

Because like dealing with a patient who's on opiates, it's like it's a lot. You gotta deal with, you know, a lot of scrutiny and like, you know, your license can be at risk if you don't do things like a very specific way. So like a lot of pain management doctors are just like, I don't bother. I just do ablations and, you know, trigger point injections and, you know, that kind of stuff.

So it was like all of us were like terrified of like ever leaving him because like, you know, it was like, like he basically had us and his staff that he had been like, I don't know if blackmail is the right word, but coercing into doing his bidding. Like, you know, it was like I said, his whole, his whole MO was to make sure that people would have like as bad of withdrawals as possible and have to like come back to him if we just like stopped. Because even like tapering down from, he put me on this medication called New Sinta and I've never been on a medication that's like gives you like such like violent withdrawals as as that medication.

does. It's not even like a real opiate. It's like a synthetic one. And he like insisted that I'd be on it. And yeah. So like if I didn't take it every six hours, I would like go into like full blown like shiver, withdrawals. Like my nose would be dripping. Like it was like I couldn't catch a break. Like I couldn't ever like skip a dose, you know, which had never been a problem for me before. You know, like so yeah, like it, he wanted to get us like as badly, you know, dependent on him as humanly possible, which, you know, a lot of abusive people to try and do that and, you know, make you think that other doctors, like, instead of like, you know, like an irregular domestic abuse or separating you from your friends, like, he would constantly try and like, you know,

disparage the words of like other doctors and other people who might say, like, why is he giving you so much? Like, that's like a lot. Like, you know, that's, I don't even think you need that much. Like, yada, yada. And, you know, and he would just like have, you know, a very, um, calculated way of explaining everything away. And nowadays, I wouldn't have fallen for any of that. You know, I know what it looks like now. You know, I know when somebody looks at you in that way, that, you know, they're sizing you up, you know.

Yeah. So you didn't want to do the rape kit? No. I, I, so I was just trying to basically do the same thing as the patient who recorded him did. And, like, you know, catch him in, you know, catch him and I wanted to catch him Sonia and Tracy I had and Isaiah Isaiah's still out there by way like I said living his best life so he didn't actually get sued he didn't you know suffer any legal penalties like nothing um and so yeah um I didn't really want to I just wasn't ready I guess

to do that now like I said nowadays like I've healed and you know moved on to the point where I could do it but you know a few years prior or was maybe it was like two years prior to all of that I had been raped by my ex-boyfriend. So like they also like leveraged that, you know, to like use against me, you know, in therapy and stuff. But. And the one patient that recorded him, I'm assuming she did it secretly. Yes.

And then did she catch him raping her? Yes. Okay. Yeah. And she took it to the police. She did. Okay. Yeah.

So that, that thankfully helped your case, obviously. Right, right. I mean, I had already, by the time that she had turned in the video, I had already gone to the police. first one that went to the police? I was the second person who went to the police because I think a week after I saw him, I called for like some other reason. I can't remember. And I was like, well, where is he? Like, why hasn't anyone in the office called me back? Like, why? It says that you guys are open. It's like a Wednesday. What's going on? And they told me that he was arrested. And I like my heart, like, I just wasn't processing. And I was like, for what? Because I guess I,

I wanted them to like say it to like make it real to me, you know, because of all the gaslighting that I had gone through. And they wouldn't even say. In fact, they were very rude to me. And I thought that was really weird too. Weird thing to say. Of course people are going to be upset. Like we're on serious opioid medications.

Like we have like, you know, all these like procedures we need to do so we can like live our life. A lot of people want to go to work and be with their kids and stuff. But so everyone was freaking out and calling them. And anyway, so once I found out he was arrested, I went down immediately. You know, like I think like at one point two, like I was just in kind of denial that like, you know, I was like, well, maybe I did have a trauma hallucination. And I remember talking to my friends and I was like, I, maybe I did, you know, like,

right? Like I've been through a lot. Like maybe that is the thing that can happen. Like I didn't really, you know, there's not really anything like specific to that that I could find, you know, like I, but like, you know, I was like, I was like reaching for straws, like, grasping his straws, like trying to figure out a way to like make it so that. Yeah, that like, you know, it couldn't possibly have happened. He was like my most beloved doctor. He was, you know, he was the guy who had my back, you know, the last year and a half

as I got my life back together after my ex-boyfriend raped me. Like I started going back to school. I had like a 4.0 GPA. But then that also started going downhill too, the more he's started increasing my dose, you know? Like I would go in, he was like, what's your pain level? I'll be like, you know, like a six or seven, which is like normal for me. Like all the time, I'm in just like agony. That's like nothing new. And, you know, he would just be like, oh, time to up your dose.

Time to up your dose. And, you know, like, I don't know. I just. Like you said, it sounds like he made his patients so dependent on him. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And then when you're on those level of medications, like your ability to, cognitively processed things is impaired, you know?

So like you're not like necessarily like connecting the dots the way that you normally would be. So that's that was another thing too is that like, you know, and it affects your memory a little bit too as well. So and things kind of like, you know, blur together. So it's, it was it was hard for me to to compartmentalize the fact that this, this man who seemed so invested in making sure that I could go back to school and like live a, a, you know, normal-ish life, you know, and I had absolutely zero compunctions and, you know, and hesitation and just, like, assaulting me like I was like his, like, sex doll, you know, worse than a sex doll, really, you know.

Don't even have to drug a sex doll. So, yeah. I, like, can't believe that happened. That is insane. It's like, I couldn't believe it happened. Like, that's why I was, like, in denial about it. My friends were very gently like, yeah, that's really dumb. Well, that's what I'm going to say to you too.

I feel like in situations like that, it's almost easier to make excuses. Yeah. Especially when you had other, like him and then the other two women trying to make you feel like you were hallucinating it. Right. It wasn't real. Right. And then on top of it, you are on medication. Right.

And you were like put under. So you start to doubt yourself. Right. Which isn't fair either. Right. And it's so like, it's like, strange to think. of it now, but, you know, like I, at the time, you know, normally when you go to, like, a practice where there was, like, multiple doctors, especially doctors who do, like,

different things, you know, like, they've got, you know, their own thing going on, you know? Like, so to even, like, remotely comprehend that they were all working together for the singular goal was, like, so mind-boggling to me that, like, everyone, every person there was out to get you. Yeah, it's twisted and it's sick. It's Beyonce. It should be made into a movie. I mean, like it... Or documentary, something of the sort.

Yeah. And I, because, like, I personally never want the world to forget what he did. Like, he's been trying this whole, the whole, like, three years to, like, recultivate his image is like Mr. Family Man and this and that. And that's all he can do. Right. Right. And who knows, you know, I mean, apparently he was like father of the year or whatever,

husband of the year. But, like, he was paying his, his, his, his, uh, you know, patient. to have sex with him with painkillers. So like, I don't know. All of this is just like insane. Like we've, we just have no idea how he got away with it for like so long. But apparently he shouldn't have because people had reported him to the board before. Do you know how many people came forward?

We don't even know. But my lawyer said like a lot of people like stated like he assaulted me to the police. And, you know, like I mean, there are like just there are. are so many people. Like it's, it's been 10 years at least of him doing this. I think it's been like eight

or maybe like eight years something like that since he got his license. He's like kind of around my age. So yeah. Oh, so he's young. He's very young.

Yeah, so he was like a young, like cool doctor who was like, he knew all the new studies. He's handsome too. I was picturing like an old man. I mean, he doesn't look good in his mugshot because like I think they slapped him around and he'd been crying.

So how old was he? At the time. I think he was like 38 maybe. Wow. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And how old did you say you were?

Um, at the time I think I was like 33. Okay. Yeah. 32, 33. Wow. Yeah. I know. It's just like mind-boggling.

That is nuts. And how old was the Isaiah guy? I was here around the same age? I actually don't know exactly how old he is. I think he's in his early 30s. Okay. Um, that's kind of what he looks like. Um, but yeah.

Um, I still don't. know that much about what he's up to other than like he's got himself a girlfriend and he you know he's he he's going to nursing school now so that like i said that told that tells me like he wasn't licensed before so like who the fuck is this guy who is he and is the doctor you said was married right with kids or no the doctor is married with kids and the wife stayed with him um supposedly she's leaving him i don't know if that like actually happened or not or they were just hiding assets or whatever you know because like a lot of us are coming at him civilly for it because like we just wanted to make sure we punished him in every human possible way because he's only getting five years per person

and then he gets there's like this like credit system in California prisons so even even people who have raped people can get significant time reductions by with like good behavior and like contributing to like you know a positive prison environment which he's very good like he's going to do great. You know, he's going to be in protective custody the entire time, you know, he's going to just be in his, like, little cell with his, you know, constant commissary coming in because he's rich as hell, you know, none of his money he got during the, you know, like committing a felony or whatever, like they couldn't take his money away. It wasn't like a money laundering thing. So he still has all that. And so I don't know. I don't know what he's going to be doing when he gets out. But, you know,

Do you know any scheduled to get out? You know, like they said, they said 17 years, but, you know, I think they reduced it to 15. And there's a chance it could keep reducing. There's a chance to keep reducing. So that is why I'm like, it's so important to me to make sure that, like, there's always going to be a record for what a monster he is, you know? And it's like, it's so scary to think that, you know, especially for like someone who's neurodivergent like me, like, I mean, that shit just like, it just flies right over my head. You know, I just have like all these different like rationale because like I've learned not to make a something. Like I always used to think

people were like angry at me or whatever, but they were just like neutral faced because like expressions and all. I constantly did. So like it's I always have like these like I'm like, oh, I shouldn't be making assumptions. Like so I'll make like maybe he's just thinking about like something that upset him today or whatever. His mind is somewhere else. Or he's having a bad or whatever. I would have all these like rationalizations, but it's a very specific look that somebody who, you know, wants to take advantage of you and hurt you has when they're like sizing you up. And like, I couldn't emulate it. But yeah, it's, it's, I'll never forget.

And do you think that the police reached out to previous patients to ask if they had remembered anything? Like, do you think that's how more people came forward or do you think more people came forward because they heard that this was kind of getting out there? I think they came forward because it had been on the news and because there had been articles written about it. Got it. And, you know, I mean, it's somebody who knows them probably was like, hey, wasn't this your doctor? Or it gets around, right? So I'm sorry, what were we talking about?

No, you're fine. You answered my question. Oh, okay. I was just asking if you thought that the police reached out to his old patients to, like, see if they experienced anything. Right, right, right, right. Yeah. So yeah, they didn't do any of that. In fact, the police, you know, I don't have very many nice things to say about them

because I wanted to ID Isaiah from day one. And they were like, well, when you first gave your witness, you know, statement, you didn't mention him. And I'm like, okay, I was really stressed out. And I was like, mind fucked that it was my doctor did. I didn't even know this guy. I don't know that, man. You know, he, you know, it was, I was so preoccupied with the fact that these people that I had trusted, you know, with my life, basically had done this, that I just, like, forgot to mention

Isaiah entirely. And I immediately was like, please let me revise. I forgot to mention him. I know I forgot to mention him. Like, and they would not let me go in to do that. And I said, please, I know what he looks like this and that. They're like, oh, you don't even think a guy like that works there. And I was like, but he was there. And my mom was like, I saw him. We were like, we left messages after messages after messages. And they just ghosted me. Victims' resources, by the way, completely ghosted all of us. They never did a damn thing for us. And that's like our tax money at work, dude.

Our taxes are supposed to pay in California for us to, like, get, like, psychological care and stuff like that after, like, a severely traumatic event. And, yeah, they don't. And then what about the women? Did they have any consequences or no? Or did they get all? Oh, they basically, what was? So Tracy, she still has her license.

And as far as I know, she's still practicing. she got civilly spanked though you know and her i don't know how badly that hurts though because she's under you know she has insurance so i mean she's still walking on sunshine i'm sure because she's a woman so they cared a lot less that she was involved in the rape and it only happened to me i was the only one she was involved uh with extracting information out of specifically or that mentioned it anyway um and um so i guess it wasn't it this is why i didn't go to the police You see what I'm saying? Like, it was not important to them that I was raped by another person who was there.

It was not because it was me. Like, if it was one of the, I won't, never mind, let me not describe them. But let's just say that they're, you know, America would care a lot more if they got kidnapped than if I was, right? So, like, you know, which they're amazing, by the way. I love you girls. You guys are very kidnappable. You hear that. I love those girls.

They're all amazing. And then you said that you're still in contact, right, with a few of the other victims. Yeah. One of them I don't. I hope she's okay. I think she probably just wants to put this spot like behind, like behind her forever. But I think the rest of us like we still have, we're still processing stuff and we like, you know, talk fresh. Yeah. And we talk to one another. Like, all of us have like serious trust issues now. Like, and you know, it's, I mean, I, you know, I was agoraphobic for like three years afterwards. And that's, I don't say that lightly. I saw my best friend twice that entire time throughout those three years.

And it took like, you know, now like I'm better, but it's like been like a, it's been a progression, right? Like it's always like an ordeal for me mentally to like think about going out and like doing something and or seeing people or whatever because things like, things just cost more for me to do. You know, just like emotionally. And like I know that like for all of us like we just feel joy. less deeply. We like laugh less often than we used to. I mean, it's just like experiencing something like that is just like so,

it just breaks you into a thousand pieces and you have to put yourself together into a new person. It also like strips you of every piece of yourself. Yeah. I feel like it takes away all sense of control. Yes. And everything. Yeah.

It's like the one thing that you have that's yours is your body. And then, you know, feeling like that it belongs to, it belonged to somebody else. without your consent. It's just like, I don't know. Like it's to me like a step down just like from like outright murder because like the person who I was before for but honestly for better or worse. I like who I am now. But like it's they're gone. Like just you know. And I had to like I had to like you like have to mourn that person that you were, that life that you had before and the way that you experience that life before you go through like a grieving process. And so that's, that was something that,

you know, I hadn't done the other times because I just tried to like bury it. Like I just was like, you know, like I, and it's crazy because like I'm so grateful that the Me Too movement happened because like now people are like, you're so brave, you know, like you're doing the right thing for coming forward, you know, blah, blah, blah. Like that's, and that's amazing. That makes me so happy. Um, because like back in the day when I had, you know, brought this, I brought it onto social media and I said, like, you know, my ex-boss, I, you know, said it by name, you know, like tried to rate me, like, da-da-da-da-da-da. And people were commenting like, you do, if you really, you know, if this really happened, you wouldn't be posting about it on social media. You know, you

wouldn't be trying to get attention. I'm like, I want attention on this man's who did this bad thing to me. I want attention on him. Right. Not on me. Yeah. I'm like, I didn't, I was just there. So, you know, like that was also a problem. And then the time before that, you know, my ex was, he was a guy in a band that people liked. So he can't do something that's bad. That's something that's still really like an epidemic in like the punk and metal scenes. You know, they're like, oh, that guy's in a band.

Like, oh, he, you know, he might have raped that girl. But like, I don't know. He plays the bass really well. So I'm still going to listen to their band and go to their shows. It's just like, it's like a huge meme within it that like, it's. Yeah. It's so, like, it was so rampant. Like, I've, there have been so many times that I've been blackout drunk that, like, I had, quote unquote, had sex with somebody that I, you know, didn't remember or whatever, you know, at a party or like, I got, like, like, coerced into it, you know. And I didn't even know that these things were sexual assault. Like, it was, like, so normalized, too. So, like, I had, like a very, you know, remember my first boyfriend was, like, a pedophile. So, like, that was like, I had already had, like, a very bad precedent for it. And, like, my parents. parents were like they didn't have the tools and for my dad, you know, the willingness to try and like, he like, he was like a very like, what were you wearing kind of person? Like, what did you do?

Like, you know, you're kind of a slut. Like, on that note, he, when I lost my virginity, he was like secretly reading like my, my AIM, you know, messages. This was back in the dinosaur, you know, back in the dinosaur. We used AIM. Yeah. Aim baby. And the MSN. Yeah. So he was like a computer genius basically. He did what's called zombieing a computer where he had like he could basically just pull up like, you know, my computer screen on his computer and I had no idea that he was

doing that. My mom didn't know he was doing it either. He was just doing it by himself sitting in his little office just like watching me like, you know, this is like the time where you're like developing sexually and stuff and I was like downloading like porn off Kazah like you know and like trading it on like

Napster and stuff, you know? It was like this was what everybody day, you know, trading their eight-second videos. And like, and like my dad was watching me do this, which is just like beyond humiliating for so many reasons. But the worst part is, is he found out when I lost my virginity, he wrote, he hand-typed a letter writing that, you know, I was a huge slat. He was larping as my, my best friend's neighbor. I lost my virginity at her house. He was larping to be her neighbor or whatever for some reason, saying that he was, you know, completely taken aback by my horrish behavior, you know, having, taking advantage of my best

friend and having sex at her house or whatever. And it was just like unhinged. It was like eight paragraphs long, just like basically slut shaming me. And I found it and it was just folded. It was our, it was my dad's printer paper in our office, the one that we used for everything. So I immediately recognized it was folded, you know, three ways. And I brought it to my mom. And I, I gave it to her. And I was just like a mess. And I was like, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I don't know who wrote this, you know? And she's like, you know, who wrote this. And I was like, yeah, okay.

And she was like, we need to burn this. We need to burn this and we need to never speak of this again. And I'm like, okay. And that's what we did. We burned it in my courtyard. And so I like always had like a very, like distrusting relationship with like sharing like traumas and things like that. Like I always like covered things up with like humor or whatever, you know, to try and like keep it all all down there. like, you know, take the piss out of it a little bit so that it wouldn't sting as badly.

But it was all like there boiling beneath the surface, you know, like, it would have been good probably to have like a better, like, basis on like what is okay touch and what is like normal behavior, which is why I'm like so like, I'm like so adamant about that being part of like sex ed is like, you know, what's acceptable and what's not acceptable. Consent needs to be like a big, you know, like focus and stuff like that. Absolutely. I didn't even know I could say, you know, no in some of the situations I was in when I was really young, especially. Yeah. Yeah. And then going back to the trial. Sure.

Were you nervous at all going into that? Or did you feel like, okay, I'm ready to speak my story? It was like a combination of both, right? I mean, because I had gotten so amped up by him coming upstairs and so angry, I was like, I was like shaking with like rage. and I was like very worried that I was going to mess up my testimony and I was like, and he probably wanted to just throw you all off. Oh yeah, that was 100% what he did. And, you know, but, you know, I listened to some like, really like, really like aggressive

music and got myself in the head space that like I was just going to punch him in the face with my mouth. And that's pretty much what I did. As soon as I got up there and I sat down, like my nervousness like kind of driveting. like kind of drained away and I just kind of like was really focused on what it was that I had to do. Like it just all went away. So did they have each of his victims go through and tell their experience during the trial? Not for, there wasn't actually.

So, okay, so I should back up, I guess. There wasn't exactly a trial. These were like preliminary hearings. He, we were basically trying to get him to take a deal, you know, because it, a lot of the victims did not want to go to trial. They did not want to have to explain everything that they went through and give up all of their phone records. And they'd have to face him, right? Yeah. Yeah.

And I mean, like, his lawyer was like trying to do discovery on like complete bullshit, like for complete bullshit reasons, you know? Like just because he's a sick fuck and he just wants to know, you know, X, Y, and Z about the victims. Like he's just so sick. And luckily, the lawyers, they blocked all of that, you know, they were like, that's not going to happen. you know, the DA also, you know, agreed that it shouldn't happen. So luckily, we avoided all of that. But at the same time, I feel personally, I feel remiss that we didn't because he could have gotten more time. He could have been behind bars for longer. But, you know, like, I don't want to, you know, drag anybody through that. And I was very tired, too. It was, it had been a long three years. Like, a lot of us just, like, it was a constant, like, rollercoaster of emotions, too.

and you know, him dragging it out as long as possible and them allowing it was like constantly being slapped in the face, you know. Yeah, and I think too that's something that you want to put in your past. I don't think it's something that you ever forget. No. But I think waiting and waiting and waiting for that day and having it pushed back, it like doesn't allow you to move forward. No.

Because you know, okay, this isn't solved yet. You know what I mean? And so you said he got 17 years? 17 years. And he lost his license, right? Was there anything else or that was? That's it. That's it.

Yeah. As far as I know, like he's just, the worst part is that he's a felon and he can't, like, leave the country, I guess. But you think he's in productive custody? Oh, I mean, he's a sex offender. So, I mean, that's, there's, I mean, like pretty much. Is that what they do when you're a sex offender? Wow.

Okay. Yep. Yep. I guess it really depends on the state and it depends on how much they hate you. Sometimes they will release certain prisoners, you know. know, into the general population, you know, just to be like, bye. But like, yeah, I'm just, I try to keep my opinion out because, you know, but I don't get that. I don't get it either. I, you know. Like, why are you even in jail? Right. Right.

If you're just going to get special treatment. Well, like, regular people. I don't care what anyway. So it's special treatment. Right. No, nobody else gets put in PC. Like, why, why, why, like, people with cancer are in, like, general population, like, much of, you. Yeah. Like, much of. the time but like a serial rapist or a pedophile or whatever they're just like pedophiles and the child molesters are in productive custody so uh-huh oh yeah that's why you're not hearing about them getting murked like morning noon and night because if they were they would be gone people do not like people who are serving life they're like why i got nothing to lose you know like so they're the they're the people who go for them i can't remember which serial killers it was uh that got

murdered in jail. But yeah. I guess in their mind maybe it's like, oh, we don't want just people murdering each other in jail. But at the same time, it's like. It happens anyway. Yeah. People murder each other.

You get what you get. Yeah. I mean, like, look, like I'm, I'm like, I'm like, I waffle back and forth between the death penalty. But like, if, you know, you ask me, does Lenkei deserve death? I would say all of them personally do. Yeah. They're all scum.

They're all absolute freak shows. And these people are taking so much away. And I don't even think they realize it. Yeah. Because they're selfish and they don't have, I think you said what, empathy? Like they don't have anything. It's empty. No.

So it's like they don't even realize what they're doing to people that do have all these things. Right. They're just stripping them of it. Right. And it's like that's something that you can't just get back. That doesn't go away. No. No.

There are a lot of people who are like, you know, they're, I actually stopped being friends with somebody who was defending the quote unquote the right to tell rape jokes. And I was like, bro, like, you know, and I, I was arguing with him why that's insane and disgusting. And basically he told me like, well, that's a personal problem for you. It sounds like something you just need to go to like a therapist for and like work through. I'm like, bro, it's sure there are some things that that's absolutely true about that situation that you should go. Lots of people should go to therapy. But yeah, I think that that would be great. But at the same time, there's just, there's just like, my grandpa had a saying, it's like, you know, you drop a glass on the floor, you can glue it back

together, but it's always going to have those cracks. You know, you'll always be able to see those cracks. So, um. One thing too, joking about something that's blatantly wrong in any circumstance. Yeah. If we make a joke out of it, then we're saying that it's okay. Right. In some way. Right. That it's not as serious of an issue as it is. And that's why it keeps happening. Yeah. There's people like that out there that don't. think it's a big deal. Right. Unless, you know, of course, if it happened to them.

Right. Things would be different. Oh, yeah. Well, you know, I mean, obviously all of us are just lying about it, you know, for attention, you know, so we can get Twitter likes or whatever. I don't know. I don't know. I feel like that's like something that I hear all the time.

It's like when you say like one in three, you know, women has been raped. Like they just like, you know, they just think that like, you know, most of those people are liars, I guess. I don't know. Right. And it's sad that you even felt like your word. wouldn't be taken, you know. And the fact that, like you said, it may not have been if other victims didn't come forward.

It wouldn't have. Because it's like they can't, at that point, at that point, if so many people are coming forward, they can't really brush it under the rug or ignore it. Correct. But if it's only one person and if it's against somebody that, like you said, has power and that money, everything, it's like it's almost easier to just, you know, let it go. Yeah. And I think like too, like, you know, it's just, you know, my, my history of like trying to report it and just being completely blown off.

Like that just like stays with you. You know, it stays with you. And I'll never trust the police for that reason, you know, like to me, like, you know, the quote unquote good cops that were like showing empathy to me when I was showing my story. Like they completely left us all in the dust. Like they just used the, they used like the nice version of the read technique on us like JCS dust to get us to, you know, give up our stories and, you know, give them the information they wanted. And then after that, for them, it was just all about the game of solving the case or whatever. They didn't care about the other details like Isaiah and, you know, like they were, I wanted to know,

like, what are we going to be doing about Tracy? What are we doing about Sonia? What are we doing about Isaiah? They would not even, they wouldn't even humor us. And at least tell me, like, we don't have anything. We can't do anything, you know, like we're trying our best. None of that. Like, nothing.

Like, and I just, I'll never understand why they would not let me come back down there and I D him. Like, I'll never understand. And it's just like maybe because they think, like I said, because like my mental health history and stuff, like, oh, well, they're not going to be a good witness because of, you know, their mental health history. Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah.

And I'll just say this. People who are mentally ill don't deserve to be raped or not believed when they, you know, say that they have been. And I mean, like, it's just like, it just really is very frustrating. Absolutely. And I, yeah, like you just, you're just used to, yeah, you're just used to it, basically. Right. Which is horrible. Yeah.

Yeah. Agreed. It's crazy. Yeah. Was there any other points that you wanted to hit? Let me think. Let me see here. I feel like you did such a good job, though, too, of like, you went, like, step by step.

It was a really good job. Oh my God, it was all worth all the typing I did. And it was very, like, it kept my attention. Like, it was like, I was very, you know. It was gripping? Yes. Oh. Because it's like you, because, you know, like, I know that you said you were worried about, like, rambling.

You didn't at all. Like, it was just very, you did a great job. Oh, I'm so glad. Yeah. I'm so glad. I took a couple seconds to, like, whizzen up. You crushed it. Seriously, you did great.

Awesome. But I want to make sure that there was nothing else that you wanted to throw in there at. in there. Just trying to think, I honestly feel like I actually got it. Yeah. Yeah. I crushed it. I think it did a great job.

And honestly, I think that I was just saying this on another episode that when it comes to these people that are in a position of more power, whether it's money or their social status or whatever it may be, a lot of times it seems like it's easier to keep your mouth shut because of people not believing you or because. the judgment. You know what I mean or what people are going to say. But I think that's what makes it even more important

because it happens so often. It happens, I'm sure, the same amount as regular. It happens to regular people. Or two, like, regular people doing it to regular people. Right. So it's like, I feel like this is just an example of why you even should come forward more and speak your story

because there's probably so many people that stay hush, hush about things that have happened because it seems safer that way. Right. But you coming on here and sharing your story allows other people to feel heard and not alone. Yeah. And I always say that. And that's so important because I'm sure, you know, even if back when this first happened to you,

if there was something that you watched that you were like, wow, like I don't have to feel alone. Or here's somebody else that experienced something similar. That's why I contacted you guys actually. It was because I was listening to the stories and I was like, oh my God. I'm like, I love that people who have been through these like, insane experiences that actually, you know, normally don't get told that normally we suffer in silence, you know? And it's like I felt like I could, I could finally like, this is like a release of like a huge burden that has been on my heart because like it's not something that I can

talk to in much detail with a lot of people because it's so heavy. It makes my friends very sad when they hear about this story because it's so, it's like so violating. But yeah, Yeah, like I just, it makes me glad that there's a place that I could do that because it's, it's so hard to, it's so hard to do, but it's, it's worth it in the end. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's important for you to get it off your chest. And I think also say it in a way that you feel is comfortable. Like, totally on your, you know, on your terms. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. But no, I think you did a great job and I'm honored that you wanted to share your story on my podcast. So thank you so much. And then like I said, you really, really killed it.

You did such a great job. You should be so proud of yourself. Thank you. Of course. And I think your story is going to help a lot of people. And I think like you said, too, the other victims that this happened to, I'm sure that they're going to appreciate this a lot. So it's just like you become that voice for them as well.

I was just talking to one actually right before I got here. Yeah. No, it's like you're a voice for everybody at this point. So that's great. And I definitely agree that this shouldn't be something that just because he is in jail now, that it's not still reminded. of like this is who he is, this is what he did. Right, exactly.

So that's what it should happen. He's really good at like reinventing who he is. So that was something that I really wanted to nip in the bud because, I mean, he's going to find some other field that he can go in and do the exact same thing. Right. So I want to make sure that whoever employs him, this video. And people know the name, yeah.

And they will. And it makes me very, very relieved to know that this is at least something that we can do. Because, you know, like I said, even if the police don't believe you or the police don't care. It's still good to like put it out there to make sure that voice for a reason. Yeah. Yeah. So at least like, you know, sometimes if you just say it and then sadly something else happens, then and they speak up, that just like reinforces this whole event where people like, you know, realize that this person's capable of doing, you know, messed up stuff and that, you know, the other person wasn't lying, you know, it's happened to multiple people.

I think too, like the more people that come forward in situations, like this, the more it makes other people feel and have that courage to do the same. Yeah. And I think that's important to it. It's terrifying. Yeah, it is. And I think it's scary. It's terrifying.

Nobody wants, even like you said, you don't want to go through the aftermath of having to relive the experience and tell it in detail over and over and over again. Yeah. So it's like people, like I said, they rather just not deal with it. Yeah. But I think that once again, you speaking your story would give a lot of people courage of like, if she can do it, I can do it. Yeah, it feels really good to do.

it does. It feels so good to like just take it out of, take it out of the hole inside of you and, and, you know, try and like manifest it into something that can, I don't know, have a positive effect. Like, that's been like my whole journey this entire time is trying to, like, you know, turn shit into gold, essentially. And I feel like I've been doing a really good job at it and I've been living my best life, you know. They say the best revenge is living well. I still say it's life in prison. But, you know, I mean, I'll take what I can get, right? So, I mean, I'm, I'm pretty happy about it. I think that, you know, I think it would really bother him knowing how well we're doing. Right. And knowing that you stood up and said what you wanted to say. Yeah. Yeah. Great job. Thank you so much.

Thank you. I appreciate it. You did a great job. Thank you.