We're Out of Time - A Hero’s Burden: Director Sepi Makabi & Nova Festival Survivor Daniel Sharabi on PTSD, Faith, Healing

Episode Date: October 13, 2025

In a powerful new episode of the podcast We’re Out of Time (ranked #1 in Mental Health on Apple Podcasts) renowned recovery expert and mental health advocate Richard Taite speaks with Nova music festival survivor Daniel Sharabi (joining from Israel) and “A Hero’s Burden” director Sepi Makabi.The documentary follows Daniel and his younger brother Neria, who are credited with saving hundreds of lives during the Oct. 7 attack, while confronting the deep trauma and PTSD they continue to carry as survivors.Just prior to the podcast taping, it was announced that the remaining hostages will be returning home. Daniel’s best friend Yosef-Chaim Ohana who has been held hostage for two years, is among those set to be released. Daniel shares how he’s anticipating seeing his friend and what his first words to Yosef will be when they reunite.The conversation also explores the mental health toll of survival and captivity, the prevalence of PTSD, and the urgent need for trauma-informed care. During the discussion, Taite offers to bring Daniel, his brother, Neria and Yosef to Carrara Treatment Wellness & Spa as his personal gift — providing a safe space for healing, recovery, and renewal after unimaginable trauma.👉 Subscribe for raw, honest, and inspiring conversations —new episodes every week. 🔗 Explore more about Richard Taite, We’re Out of Time, and Carrara Treatment Wellness & Spa: ⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/richardtaite⁠

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In studio with us today is documentary filmmaker, Seppi Maccabe, director of a hero's burden, telling the story of Daniel and Nareh Shrabi, Yemenite Moroccan Israeli brothers, who are at the Nova Music Festival on October 7, 2023 and saved many lives. Breaking news as of this taping, a peace deal between Israel and Hamas has been reached and the hostages are set to be returned Monday or Tuesday. Daniel's best friend Yosef has been held hostage in Gaza for two years. We will hear from Daniel, Daniel, who will join us from Israel a little later in this show. Thank you for having me here today.

It's a historic day, and it's with divinity that we're here on this day to talk about this film and Yosef, who we've been holding space for and remembering every single day for the past two years. I have to tell you, last night I watched your documentary. And it took me four hours to get through it. It was the single best documentary I've ever seen in my life, and it's not close. It isn't. It was breathtaking.

I feel like I know these boys. Okay? Like, I just love them. And that's what you did. And you brought a light to this issue that no one was talking about, that no one saw, the trauma, the work just begins when they get home. Okay? They'll never be the same.

Ever. We can get them better and thriving. And that's all well and good. And that's going to happen. But the start, but the process needs to start immediately in getting these guys straight. It has to be.

The thing that we felt, the thing that I felt when I felt, when I met these boys right away was their pain. I met them a month after October 7th. They were in L.A. because one of their friends had bought them a ticket to get out of the noise of Israel and come here and just get away, simply. And I met them at a gala that a local nonprofit put together called Mama Nonprofit. And I saw Daniel standing in the audience. And we had about 300 people at this gala. And on my life, there was light coming out from him. He was shining.

And I went up to him and I knew he was a Nova survivor and I said, hey, do you want to come up and share your story? And he got up on stage. And he spoke. I don't think I heard a thing he said. I just felt his pain. I felt his pain. And my sister, who's a psychiatrist, was standing right next to me. She said, these boys need help right away.

Right now. Right now. So you're absolutely spot on. And that's still the feeling. They need help right now, even though it's been two years. It's been an intense few days with the impending peace agreement. How are you feeling and how does this news affect your documentary? I am stupidly hopeful.

You know, I'm just, I've never given up hope on Yosef and the hostages. I knew that they were going to come home alive. I really did. I feel so connected to Yosef and I felt that he is alive, maybe through the power of Daniel and area and their family and their faith. The news is such a relief because we're finally going to have a bit of de-escalation here in our community across college campuses, and we can start to rebuild and we could start to heal a little bit.

Can I tell you what got to me most is the love, of Naria and Daniel for each other. It was so beautiful. I've never seen anything like it. It's so touching. And you can see how much pain Naria has. It's heartbreaking.

His pain, as it's portrayed in the film, has gotten a lot worse. And his pain... It's going to get worse until it gets better. And the only way it's going to get better is if he gets top-notch care. Top-notch care. Remember, ask your sister. There are a lot of well-meaning therapists, psychiatrists, psychologists, psychologists,

psychologists out there. Very few can help anybody. Unfortunately, he's got to get top-notch care. All of these kids do. and all of the kids who were at the Nova music festival need to. This is a must. It's a must. And what people don't realize about the Nova survivors is they were not in shelter when these atrocities happened.

So when the rape and the killing and the dismembering, I'm sorry I'm saying these things, but they saw these things live in front of them. They were not locked up in a safe room. It was happening right in front of them. So Neriya, not only does he have trauma from what he's seen, but he also was fighting back for eight hours, and he killed a lot of terrorists. And do you think he is,

how do you think he feels about killing the terrorists? There is a reason why he never said it in the film himself. Because he can't say it. Because he, I, Lisa and I were saying, speaking and she said he felt um maybe he felt bad because he had to take another life because he was such a sweet soul and he had to kill so many of those people and I looked at her and I said honey he's upset that he didn't kill him all and Marriott is a beautiful human being that's his soul resonates through the film he never celebrated

He doesn't want to be a hero. So I don't know. I don't know how to answer your question. Did he, is he, did he feel like he should have killed more people, terrorists who were coming to kill them? Not should have. Not should have. Wished he would have. Yeah, because that would have saved his friends.

That's correct. That could have saved Yosef. Yosef. From being taken. Yeah. Yeah. There is a lot of pain. He won't talk about it, Richard.

The fact that that young boy, that young man, went ahead and did what he did with the lip bomb, I mean, who thinks of that? It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. So there is a moment where the gun is jammed. They finally get into the tank. They take out a gun.

It's jammed with sand. And they have no oil. If they go back into the tank, the RPGs that are going over their heads is going to kill them. And they came up with a plan right away. You know, let's use the tiniest bit of lip balm, the tiniest bit of lip balm. And that thinking saved not only their lives, but the lives of everyone that was around them. Hundreds of people. I think Daniel himself is blown away by it.

You know, the two of them are so proud. And that's what's so beautiful is they're so proud of each other. And their mom is so proud of them. Magnificent. What first drew you to Daniel and Naria's story? And how did you meet them? Our event was on a Thursday night by Monday morning. Him and Naria were in my car.

And I was driving them to Dr. Orly Peter's office to get therapy. Dr. Orley Peter, who's also in the film, she has an office in L.A. and an office in Israel. Right. Was she doing ease? She started with talk and then she did a bit of neurostimulation with them. And she immediately calmed them down not only by her, by doing therapy, but letting the boys know that you have a community that cares about you and you're not alone.

Yes, you were left to fend for yourselves for eight to nine hours on October 7th and no one came to help you and no one in the government offered them any service after October 7th. No one. For like a month while they were here, no one reached out. So they felt the embrace. You mean here? What about in Israel? In Israel, no one helped them.

No one. After October 7th, it was, the government was so overwhelmed. They didn't know, they didn't know how to help. They were able to help the communities like Raim and Niroz and Kfar Azha because they were communities with governors and governments. But the people of Nova were kind of spread all over the country. How were they going to find them? There's still, you know, there's still a massive effort to try to give help to the survivors of Nova.

So that's how I met the brothers. And they asked me after the therapy appointment, they said, so what do you do? I said, I work in, you know, film and television. and they said, oh, can you make us a video for TikTok? I said, okay, they wanted a TikTok. We want the world to hear our story, and can you come and make us a video for TikTok?

So the next day I went to their house with my video camera to get their interview, and the trauma was palpable. They were smoking pounds of wheat. There was literally like three pounds of wheat on their table. They were just the substance use was alarming. They have to. They have to right now.

because that's them self-medicating, especially when they don't have top-notch treatment. Yeah. Once they have top-notch treatment, that doesn't become an issue any longer. Yeah. All right. How did you earn their trust to film such intimate parts of their story and trauma? I never wanted to make a film. So it just came from the TikTok clip.

Like once you were there? I earned their trust. because I went into it to help them. Does that make sense? Stop. You went there with the heart of a servant where there was nothing to get, only to give? Yes.

Yeah, I understand that. Yeah. And I knew in my heart at any given moment, whatever I did, I would have to burn the tapes. Like if they came to me and said, we don't want to do this anymore, this is too much. That's right. I'd burn the tapes.

Exactly right. anything. There were scenes that they didn't want. We shot a lot of stuff that any other filmmaker would, you know, be doing, you know, anywho, it was really powerful stuff that spoke to their PTSD, but we burned the footage because they didn't want it in the film. Good for you. Good for you. It's for them. And appropriate.

Thank you. Were there any moments when you or your team had to part? pause for your own mental health to process what you were seeing in filming. It took me three months to look at the footage that we first shot. Three months. I could not open my hard drive. I could not. I handed it over.

I gave it to my amazing partners at Special Order. They uploaded all the footage. It took me three months. And Daniel was like, so how is your edit coming along? I couldn't look at it. It was so painful. The scene where Naria broke down at the club. He just had to go.

Where he just, I knew that, I knew that nothing was ever going to change. I knew it. Going into that night, I knew that something was going to happen. I didn't, and I wanted to be wrong. I wanted to be wrong. I hoped, I hoped that they would go in. The guilt was too much. The guilt was too much.

He couldn't be there. Yeah. While after the people had died and after people are still there, he couldn't be there. He thought he could. He knew he had to try. Okay? And he couldn't do it. That's all that was.

He said he saw the dead bodies. Yeah. How did you decide with all that you shot what footage to keep in the film? flashbacks are repetitive what I learned from the brothers a flashback is the same visualization of something that you've seen over and over again and in spending time with them I realized that there were a few moments that they really were affected by it was the moments around losing their best friend it was the moments about fighting and shooting every 60 seconds and it was the moment where they had the bloody young individuals that Daniel helped save. Those were the

triggers. Those were the flashbacks. So I honed in on their truth and we focused on that imagery. And the audio, we have hours and hours of audio footage of Daniel on the call with his commander who's telling him how to fight. But the thing that's stuck with us is, shoot every 60 seconds because they had to count every 60 seconds and it was this relationship with time that they had to play with to save their lives on that day so we we kept that alive shoot every 60 seconds because every 60 seconds they knew they had earned another second another minute of life I didn't know why they did that the reason the reason that I've learned from Daniel is it's a rule of war. You shoot every 60 seconds so that you're not

blasting through your bullets and you're keeping your ammo. So you're stretching your ammo and you're also letting anyone who's coming to get you. No, you're still good. You're still there. So don't come because we're going to shoot. And this turned into a huge point of contention between Daniel Naria. There was another gentleman, Daniel Bungozy, who was in the tank with them and the police officers that were around them because the police officers were saying, what are you doing? You're wasting ammo. Stop it. Stop shooting. And I've become good friends with one of the police officers who was there. She's just a sole sister. And this is one of the issue. She's still, she's still holding on to that fight with Daniel because she didn't,

she told him stop shooting and he didn't. You understand? The level of trauma is so beyond understanding for the people who were there and experienced that and they're holding on to it. Yeah, always. They're always going to hold onto it. But what happens is it can minimize and it gets better and better and better and better and better and better. And that way, you're not stuck and frozen and a failure to launch. None of this happens after, after treatment. It just doesn't. Okay? Doesn't mean you're not going to have difficult moments. It doesn't even mean you're not going to have a bad day. But it does mean you're going to have a life that you can be proud of. That's what it does mean.

I hope so. What did you learn about resilience from the boys, Daniel and Naria? If you have faith and if you are mentally strong and if you have a community around you, then you could do whatever you want. You could accomplish anything. Yeah. The best part of their support system was their mother and their aunt. And then even when Naria goes to Nome's house to tell Nome's mother and Nome exactly how their father saved hundreds of lives, that put me on edge.

that was more than I could. That was a half hour break for me. That moment was so hard to watch being in the room with Naria and Noam and Arthur's wife and their other children who you saw sitting around them and their adorable dog. because Naria wanted to have, it was clear to me that this was a trauma bond. And he was so deeply connected to this young girl and he wanted her to be a part of his tribe and his life. It was God. He kept on saying, this is from God.

God connected us. There is a reason why, you know, we are here together today. and I was happy to see that he had this moment of connection with Noam's family and he had found a new family. But I was also really scared for him because I realized that he was falling in love for Noam with Noam. And I wasn't sure how much that was going to be reciprocated because Naria was in a really dark place. Right. Is Naria and Noob together? They're not together anymore.

Okay. And it's okay because their families have become really close. Very good. So Noam's mom and Daniel's mom are good friends. They see each other all the time. They're in each other's lives. And in the scene, Naria says, you are my family now. And that's true.

And I think it's probably better that they're not a couple. However, Naria is now in a relationship with a survivor of October 7th, another young woman who survived the massacre in, I believe, near O's, which is one of the communities that was massacred, and they're living together. How's he doing now? He is having a hard time with getting help. He's having a hard time with processing the trauma. Unlike Daniel, Daniel's been able to move past it and start school and go, you know, they started a non-profit organization. Naria is stuck. There's days that I've called him, you know, like two or three o'clock in the afternoon.

Israel time and he's just getting out of bed. How old is he? He's 23 now. That's typical for 23-year-olds. Yeah. I hope you're right. I hope it's not the PTSD. Oh, it's definitely the PTSD.

I'm just saying the sleep isn't definitive or determinative. So he refused therapy for a long time, nerea. And he didn't think, and he says it in the film, he doesn't think that anyone could help this level of trauma. How could you treat this level of trauma? You've never seen anything like this before. He feels like no one can understand him except his girlfriend who was there with him and experienced October 7th. And so together they've built a really beautiful life together and they're not really letting a lot of people into their lives.

So there have been periods of time where I've tried to contact Naria for like a month and I can't get in touch with him. I know he's alive. Daniel knows he's alive and there's times where Daniel can't get in touch with his brother. Really? He won't even call Daniel back. There's times where Daniel has reached out to me or my husband because we've, you know, they're like our family now and he's concerned for his brother. He's concerned.

He can't get out of bed. There's a lot of repetitive, um, substance use. Um, and finally in or, Naria finally agreed to get help in order to qualify for the government disability services and services that are available to them. But that means seeing a psychiatrist and there was a lot of medications that were prescribed, which is fine. You have to do what you got to do. But with that comes, like he was very dysregulated and he couldn't live his regular life

on the medications. I think he was a polonopin. Okay, well, that's, listen, okay, I'm not going to play a doctor. here today. Yeah. But I do, but I do have a place with, you know, I don't know how many doctors I've got probably 30, okay? And all that is, is a medication adjustment. So a lot of times the first medication isn't what's necessary or doesn't work out. And you rule that out and you move on to the next medication, okay? But benzos were, um, you know, you. You don't need to prescribe him a colonnipin for this.

You know what helped him? Mushrooms. No. What? What helped him the most was he was invited to go to a retreat in Thailand with a healer. Fantastic. And he went to this retreat in Thailand with a group of survivors and Shirel Galan's dad, who was in the film.

Shear El Galan is the young lady who committed suicide. And this was the first time I got a... a voice note from him and he was like, I heard a spark in his voice. He was happy. And I said, I hear joy in your voice. He said, yes, I'm starting to feel hope again. But do you see? That's what we were talking about before we even went on camera. This is what top-notch treatment does. He's in a protected, safe, supportive facility. Right? That all day is just about getting him right. that's it that's the goal that's what these kids need that's what all of these kids at the nova music festival need all of them okay or they're never going to live their best lives okay they're never

going to thrive in the world unless they get this thing handled now all of them all of them yeah yeah seti how are you doing after dealing with this for two years i mean you're you must be drained. I've learned that there is such thing as secondhand trauma, for sure, and there was a lot of processing, and I couldn't understand why there were days where I couldn't get out of bed, and there were days where I was super upset, and I picked up a bad habit of smoking cigarettes because these boys smoked cigarettes all the time. Don't tell my kids.

It was really hard. It was a really emotional process. I never expected to go through anything. like this. But as we started locking the film and getting it right and honoring the brother's wishes of getting their story out and honoring their mother's wish of showing what trauma looks like and their trauma, I started to feel lighter and lighter. And every time that we do a preview or like, the more I release the film out, the less of the burden I feel because I feel like the response. responsibility is off my shoulders.

It was my responsibility to these boys to share their story. Well, you didn't just help them. You helped every family at that Nova Festival. Okay? Every single one. Yeah. Okay. Every Jew in the world.

Every Jew. I mean, look at me. Right? Yeah. I mean, and every right-thinking American. Okay? Everybody should see this. Everybody. It was breathtaking. Let's get Daniel on the phone. So Daniel, my name's Richard Tate, and I own a place called Carrera Treatment, Wellness, and Spa. And it's considered to be the finest addiction and mental health facility in the country.

And, yeah, and you guys are all traumatized. And when Yosef comes home, because he's coming home this weekend or Monday or Tuesday, correct? Behzharat Hashem. We got help. Baruch Hashem. Now, how are you feeling about that? You excited? I don't know how to say it, orphoria, but I'm like, my mind is a little bit out from the situation.

Like, I acknowledge that. And I enjoy that and I cry for it. My family is all going nuts. Like everyone speaking only about that, like for the last 24 hours. Not 24, maybe 15 hours. We, we, I woke up, my mom woke me up 3 o'clock last night. And I got on a call with Yosef Dad, and he told me that's it.

You're not going to sleep for this weekend. And I told them earlier, and I told them, I'm coming to you. And we went to Yosef Dad with the family, with a small family. And we spent some time with them until the morning. And I got back home. I slept two hours. And I started there again. We have the event here.

Can I tell you the part about the fifth? that really got to me. The most impactful part was when somebody asked you in the film if Yosef was still alive and you snapped back and you said yes. Right? And for me, in that moment, I was like, he doesn't know if he's alive, but he's, and then I caught myself and I was like, uh-uh. He is certain he's alive. What was that process for you? How could you get your head around whether he was alive or not?

And why did you land on? Absolutely, he's still alive. He believe in God? Do I believe in God? Yes. Absolutely. So I know God because I saw him in my own eyes. Probably you had a lot of experience in your life,

but he was protecting me for 20, not 20, for 12 hours and block bullets, thousands of bullets for me and RPG missiles. And maybe five, six, seven hundred, zero is it so hard. And I'm still talking to you. And every 25 of my friends dead. And dead when they are 22, 24. 25, 27, 28, 35. My best friend is hostage for two years.

We actually didn't stop talking about that, that Yosef is still in the party. It's not funny, but it's a bleak humor that you got after that. After that, it's a yes, have still party since October 7th, since in Chmhatoa, you know, it's the holiday that we went to celebrate of 2023. It's two years. It's actually two years, like two days before it was two years. And I believe that God couldn't do that.

Couldn't claim. You have to be alive. The clip on March, I think it was March 3rd. Was that what it was? March 3rd? The first one, the first sign of, life? Yes. I believe it was March 3rd. The first video of Yosef's sign of life. He looks, Yosef looks so strong in that. And after a year and a half at that point, right,

the character of him was, I can see why he's your best friend. Tell me a little bit about Yosef. Before I will tell you that, every time that we got proof of life, big one, it was in a meaning point for me, for our group, for our community, for our nonprofit. March 10, it was the first video, and it was two hours before the grand opening of the center. We have community center, a resilient center for mental health. You say that, you mentioned that you have something very big in America. So we have not enough big, not big enough, but we have it in Israel. That on Two hours before the grand opening, everything started to mess up.

Like, Naftali Bennett, the ex-prime minister, supposed to come and he canceled. And a few big donors canceled. And then I was saying, God, listen, I did my best. Now it's your turn. I'm shutting down my phone. And that's it. And I'm going in. And I started to get maybe 15 phone calls and message.

and I saw a video of Yosef. And I understand that he's with us, with me, and supporting us and God send me a message, don't worry, I'm with you. And a little bit about Yosef. Joseph, I teach me a lot. Yosef never scream on someone. Joseph is the guy that's seeing the guy in the side,

and I go talk to them and bring him inside back. I also see the guy with the best values, that you can learn from someone that he's very young but he's very spiritual and very old in his mind he had a very very interesting life his young brother died from cancer when he was 11 I think maybe 10 9 and I grew up and he went through a lot of things and we met in born in school when he was 15 and we become a good friend

who was sleeping in the same room together we did everything together our soul connected because we we filled on each other and without talk I also have taught me a lot about life

a lot about how to act to people how to be human how to communicate you know he's my teacher how to communicate to communicate with people. How's your brother doing? Much better today. Thanks to SEPI and our group that's supporting us a lot, a lot. I can tell that my life physically, I have to to make it after Nova. But in the soul, in the mind, our group helped us a lot. And my brother got

into a big regress. He went back on his trauma, like the first day, nine months ago, and he started to go down and down and down and so on diving down. Nobody can help him. If he doesn't help to himself...

That's not true. On my life, that's not true. I swear to God. You can be there for them, But if they don't want to get out of this hole, black hole, there is nothing that will work for a wheel. Let me tell you what I want to do because I saw that film last night and I feel like I know you. Okay. I don't know if it's because I'm Jewish or not, okay, that I went to an orthodoxy Shiva Day school or not. Okay.

But I noticed everything. I noticed that to fill in while he was smoking sick. cigarette shaking like a leaf. I noticed you walking with your titsis. I noticed everything. It took me four hours. I watched this thing frame by frame. And I have to tell you that the only way you get from here to thriving is with top-notch treatment. I don't mean a little therapy here and there. I mean top-notch treatment. Now I've got a place. What? Explain a little bit more about it. Okay. Well, that means you go to a place and I was hoping that the three of you would come to Carrera as my gift and stay as long as you need to. Now it's very expensive. It's $182,000 a month.

I want nothing from the three of you. Nothing. The only thing I want is for you guys to show up together, cracked open, and ready to go. I want you to be open. I want your heart open. And I just want you to have a possibility of this can be better. We'll do the rest on my life. There's nothing to do other than stay open. If you're open, everything works out because then the struggle, right now, it's a struggle. I don't want the struggle because when you're struggling, what happens is you can't thrive. You're spending all your energy just trying to get through the day, not build a life that you can be proud of. And this is one of the most horrific things that has ever happened in human history.

So you can, it would be impossible for someone not to have trauma. Okay? And my fear is when Yosef gets home, he's not going to go immediately into treatment, okay, and get well immediately. Now, I know you've got to do your things and you've got to catch up with family and everything else. But at a certain point, a week or two in, whatever that looks like, okay, the wheels are going to start falling off. You start going off the track. And it would be an honor, truly, an honor and a privilege to have the three of you, to take care of you, like you are my own boys. Can I say something?

Yeah. Yesterday we were texting with the producers, Daniel, when we got the news that Yosef is coming home. And one of our executive producers, Sue said, those hostages are going to need love. and there's so much pain. And I just wrote without hesitation, we're going to take care of them. I didn't know how. I didn't know how.

I didn't know how. But I knew that we are going to take care of Yosef. Bemet in truth. And I come here today. And Richard says, I'm here to receive. And this is the gift of accepting and believing the doors open. I agree with what you say, Sapri, and you too. Without God, there is no way, you know,

when there's something to lane on in your life, it's much easier when you are without nothing. It's why my faith, I believe that it helps me a lot. Every day. Also today, you know, in Holamwe, we're not put in Phelin. And I was looking to something to do to be grateful. you know because it's like it's one of the biggest day in my life in my new life and I didn't have nothing to do and I don't have power to pray all the prayer and all of that

I'm doing it feeling it's my thing and that's it so I spoke with josefdad and he told me don't do it feeling you can't do it feeling but you know what I do my small to die with everyone it's a prayer of thank you of uh tealim and we said set all of us together with Yosef Dad on the phone, like 60, 70 people here in the main part of the event. And it was for me, it's not a closure yet because Yosef is, he didn't left the tunnel. I don't know, the place that he's staying now in Gaza. But we know that a new capture in our life start. a few hours ago.

The only thing that can give a little bit hope, not a little bit, a lot of hope to this country, is the assidious. Life or dead, to bury them, to bring them back to their families. You know, like me, I'm very good friend of Yosef,

but maybe 60 people who are here tonight, maybe 45 people of them, you know Yosef, friends with them from a part or two in life and all of them feel every day they see something, they remind their self that is there and we are here. We can heal as a people

after Nova when Yosef is there and I will do my best. This is not exist, not for me at least. And the only thing that can change it is the deal. even that we're not agree about part of the things and if they don't want to see Hamas terrorist that was on October 7 and was trying to kill me and getting captivity, going to their homes

and start to make it again and plan it again. I don't want to see it. I want him to be dead or in prison at least. But this is the price that we have to pay and this is the best decision that we can do. This is the moment. You know, two years after, we have to finish it. We're not America.

We can fight for 10 years. We have to stop it because we're losing people for two wars. Wars in the battlefield and war behind the battlefield. For our soul, we last more than 65 soldiers that committed on the suicide. Why did you agree to do this documentary? What did you hope? What did you hope to achieve with this? I start with no expedition, with none of the understanding what I'm doing.

And I slowly, slowly, part by part, I understand and I find out the meaningful and the mission that came out of that. And the help that will support so many people. You know, two years after I'm much older in my mind, in my experience, my record. of what I did and what I'm doing. And I know now that I will tell you a story and you will understand everything. You know, there is a woman. I am not going to say her name,

but she met us when SEPI stopped filming us on November 23. And she didn't like what she saw. She saw for, it was me, my brother and two other cousin. She lived in Oshree. And she saw us and she didn't like us. She didn't like us because we did that. and we did it, we act like that.

And when I'm looking back, I know that there was someone, a boy, 23 years old, just came out of hell and arrived to America, you know, the big dream. And when I arrived, we surrounded tons of people

that was take care of us and trying to protect us and all of that. And we just was young people and we did some mistakes. And she didn't understand that. A few weeks, a month and a half ago, she wasn't their first private screening of the movie. And two weeks after, I arrived to our United States.

I arrived to L.A. And she's a very, very good friend of someone that helped us a lot, the organization and personally, and his wife, sister, she's taking care of us a lot over there and till now. And he came to me and he told me, listen, she keeps talking to you. And she feels sorry that she thinks about you like that. And she gave me great for what she thought about you, about what you did. She didn't understand.

And the woman came to me. We had an event and she told me, listen, it's not right. I didn't know what you had been true. I don't know what is PTSD. You have to explain to people because people don't know. We don't have the, we can't see it. We're not seeing that every day. It's not something that we see.

And I understand how. And I'm sorry. And she helped us a lot. In the last three weeks, she helped us a lot. and now we connect to a Nova Survivor, the organization, and she started to help with her business. Anyway, it's amazing. What's the first thing you're going to say to Yosef

when you guys reunite? I always was thinking about it a lot. In the past two years, and especially in the last few hours, I was seeing very good friends of mine, people that was in the party, and it was with Yosef. and I can't think about nothing except from sorry.

S'lika. I don't know what you say. That's it. Honestly, sorry. Sorry for this two years. So before I wasn't with you over there or that we were back home. Two years ago, not now. And that's it.

Does Yosef know you're alive, do you think? I don't know. I don't know. I really don't know. I don't know what you think. I don't know what you know. I don't know what everyone knows. So many people waiting for answers.

I have like a thousand messages waiting for me to answer. I didn't open my phone. I didn't answer to a message. Only to who wants me, we'll call two or three times. and maybe I'm answering because so many questions that they don't have the answer for. The love that you have for your little brother is beyond, I don't even have a word for it.

It was so emotional, okay, when you were holding him and you were telling him that 4,000 people, you were the one. You saved everybody. You did everything. You're brave. I love you. I mean, it was just,

how do you feel about how your baby brother did that day? You know, the Navy Seals in America, they are the best team, you know? The Swatine Israel, they are the best team. My brother better than two of them. What my brother did, then I don't know if they will do it, but in our situation, without nothing, and, you know, I was, I was there. standing 40 people under under the tank some of them everyone switch between

one each other boys girls and my brother told me I'm going inside the tank to bring to bring to bring more ammo because if I'm not going in everyone going to die if I'm jumping in maybe I will die and I understand that and my cousin one-on-one jump in too but he don't know how to find stuff in the tank so I told them okay

do it but wait your weapon and then I speak to 40 people you know these 40 people line on the floor and I'm looking in everybody I need someone I need someone to stand up I need someone to stand up and protect us from the left

side switch the rear and nobody speak and in the situation of dead you can ask, you can force people

and nobody stand up one of the guys stand up for a second and then hear what I want them to do and he said I can't and my brother just jump on everyone and claim to the tank

and I have record of the part that I'm and I'm saying, I'm saying, God, please keep on this, please watch him. And in the meantime, I'm asking the machine gun to shoot you, to give him a fire to cover

and he jumped. And 10 second after, tons of bullets coming out, water, maniculous, so many things that we were needed. And I know that nobody in the world will do the same.

I don't know how he did it. He did it not one, not two, not three, ten times this day. And he's like... But then when he picks up the gun, right? And it's full of same. And the quick thinking with bullets all around, give me your lip balm.

And then he takes the lip balm and he makes the gun so that it works again. who does that? God. You think this is what I'm saying. You think this is me? No, I knew the answer. I knew the answer.

I was just asking. This is what I'm telling. I know God. It's like we ask and he give. And this is the only option that we give him to do. It's like your father and you are a kid and you force him to do something. take me and we take you you can say no and this is how we was on october 7 even that we was on the like a dead life dead life Daniel i know today is such an important day for you it's such an

important day for your mom for nerea for josef josef's family and the fact that you made time today to speak with us is so generous. I appreciate you. I appreciate all the time and openness that you've shared with me. And we went into this thing together, not knowing what we were going to do. We thought we were going to make a TikTok video, but I really do think that our message and our mission of helping others and bringing awareness to PTSD is working. We are going to change the world and we are going to get people the help they need. And you, my friend, had a big hand in bringing Yosef home under the protection that his family wanted. This film didn't go out until he came home. And number two, you have found a place for him to come to and

get help, the best help in the world when he's ready. And I want the three of you to come because I know that you're doing well. I get it. Okay. But he ain't going to want to want. to come without you and you'll come and you'll get infinitely better because I know you're struggling. You're doing better than most, but you're struggling, aren't you? Every day? I know. Okay. So then this isn't an empty, this isn't an empty gesture.

Okay. My home's your home for you and your brother and Yosef. Okay? And I am sorry that you guys went through what you went through, but all of you are heroes. All of you. All of you. I don't have the words for it other than every Jew in the world is proud of you and your brother and welcomes, is thrilled that this kid and the rest of the hostages are coming home. Thank you. Thank you so much. I believe that each one of us need to stand up.

We have one situation in life that if we don't stand up, the history will judge us. And every Jew around the world, every good person, not only Jew, there is a day. This is the day of the history. We'll judge all of us.

As a people, what we did, what we're doing, and what we will do with every action that will come to our door. You know, one of the thing that guide me since October 7th is that something came to me. I didn't want that.

I didn't want to go to Nova, to fight, to survive, to do that, to do that, to travel around the world. It came to me. And I understand that I have to choose. On October 7th, it was to take the weapon and to fight of other people. And the day after, this is my action. The decision that I did, you know, I fight.

I fight on October 7, probably most, probably more than anyone, it was no more than almost. And I'm proud to say because I did it for my place, very pure, but if I, on the day after fighting and doing such a big mission, I think every person who cannot give up in something, can say no to some opportunity in life that God gives you and choose the best, the good part, and do it. it. Thank you, Daniel. Thanks, buddy. Thank you for your wisdom.

I really appreciate it, man. Have a great day, okay? Thank you. I miss you already. I'll see you when you come into town. Okay? You'll stay with me. All right. All right, man.

So we just got off the phone with Daniel. And it hit me that this is first time that anyone, I mean, you've talked about, yeah, they're suffering and the trauma, but this shines a light on what it really is. And there really are two wars because you got the war there and then you got the war when you come home and it doesn't stop. You did that. Thank you.

We need to acknowledge the fact that the mental health crisis that comes to with war is something that we've always ignored and pretended that alcohol and a cigarette is going to fix. Always with any war, with any soldier, with any veteran. There is an uptick in suicide rates across the globe and especially in Israel. People are jumping off buildings. People are cutting themselves. Daniel is dealing with survivors who are suicidal and calling him for help. He doesn't need to be in that place.

We need to embrace them. And we need to create a platform where we could help. Well, it's also healing for him to be of service. Because you can't think of your own problems when you're being of service to somebody else. You can't. It's not possible. So it is helping him to do that. He fell into it.

I mean, that was God, right? Yes. And he fell into that. He didn't fall into it. He was directed into it. Yeah. Because he's got the ability to, to empathize not just from an outsider's perspective,

but he went through it with them. Yeah. He treated half these people. He did. Yeah. And he's at a point where he needs help. Well, we'll see if these guys, listen, you know, you can lead a horse to water, right?

So if they show up, they're going to have the beginnings of their best lives to look forward to. Otherwise, this is the type of thing that gets worse, untreated, not better. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Richard, thank you for paying attention to the subject matter. Thank you for acknowledging the film.

Our mission is to focus on PTSD and the trauma that a lot of people in Israel are feeling and dealing with, and they're not talking about it. Everyone is kind of stuck on October 7th, and we want to talk about it. and we wanted to look at what happens after October 7th, life with trauma. And this film shines a bright light on PTSD, and we hope that we can galvanize other people, just like we galvanized you to go out and find a way to actively do something and help victims of terror and talk about PTSD.

Once the conversation starts, then we could really make some true impact. Listen, I don't know if you truly truly. even can grasp what you did here because I know how it works. You just put one foot in front of the other and then, you know, magic happens, right? But this is a mitzvah for the world. Thank you. All right, you did great. Thank you.

Thank you for having me today. We are done.