We're Out of Time - Lil Gnar: How I Overcame Depression And Found Happiness

Episode Date: May 20, 2025

In this powerful episode of We're Out of Time, host Richard Taite sits down with rapper, designer, and creative force Lil Gnar for a raw and honest conversation about mental health, the pressures of f...ame, and finding purpose beyond the spotlight. Lil Gnar opens up about his personal battles with depression and mild anxiety, shedding light on how he pushed through some of his darkest moments. He also speaks candidly about the dangerous realities within the rap industry—watching peers get lost to addiction and the tragic impact of illicit substances. But it’s not all heavy. Gnar shares what truly makes him happy today, what keeps him grounded, and gives us an inside look at his upcoming collaborations with Chief Keef and more. This episode is a must-watch for fans of hip-hop, mental health advocates, and anyone who believes in the power of resilience and reinvention. 👉 Subscribe for more real conversations every week. 🔗 All things Richard Taite, We're Out of Time, and Carrara Treatment Wellness & Spa:https://linktr.ee/richardtaite For more on Lil Gnar: https://www.instagram.com/lilgnar

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I'm signing Chief Keith, and he's executive producing my new project. I got a lot of features on that, too, but I don't want to give them all the way yet. I've dealt with depression as well, too, though. For a long time, I was super unhappy. I'm actually so happy these days. I have a house and a little dog and recording studio on my house so I can go downstairs and work, because me, I love the work. Like, if I'm not able to do what I want to do, then I get bummed out.
Starting point is 00:00:18 People go, like, downhill from drugs, just really spiral out and just let it kind of control their life, and you just see them start burning out. You know, you can do one thing, one time, and completely check out. So it's a little scary landscape now. I don't really get anxious or scared to do anything. I'm more so dealing with maybe anxiety, wanting to do something, and I can't. I'm not able to at the time.
Starting point is 00:00:37 More like an impatient type of thing. And that'll kind of make me feel weird. I have to act like I like Boba because pretty girls like Boba. So I like Bova. We're overwhelmed with gratitude. We're out of time has reached number three on the Apple Podcast's mental health chart. Thank you for listening, supporting, and sharing this journey with us. Little NAR.
Starting point is 00:00:58 Yeah. How you been? I've been good. I'm in L.A. for like a week. I'm like finishing post-producing. on my album. Good. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:05 What's the album? In My Glory. In My Glory. Yo. What's that about? So I signed to Chief Keefe like a year and a half ago. It's like, you? Chief Keefe.
Starting point is 00:01:14 What's that? It's an artist. Okay. Yeah, he's a rapper. He like started drill music and everything. Okay. In Chicago. And so I signed to him like a year and a half ago.
Starting point is 00:01:23 And this is my first project under his label. So I'm like putting that together. He's executive producing and stuff. That's nice. Yeah. Is that new? Yeah, it's new. So nobody knows about it.
Starting point is 00:01:34 No, not really. I mean, it's been hindered. We just broke news. Yeah, the full details. Yeah. Right here. See, Lisa, you wanted breaking news. You just got it right out of the gate.
Starting point is 00:01:44 All right. Yeah. So, you're successful. Yeah, I'd say so. You want to be more successful? A thousand times. A thousand times, right? Times.
Starting point is 00:01:52 Okay. You want me to teach you the rule? Yeah. Okay. Show up. See? 80, 80, I think it's 80% of the people. Don't even show up.
Starting point is 00:02:02 up. Yeah. You did great. You showed up. But show up on time, right? I can improve on that one. You're only an hour late. Yeah. Okay, cool. You feel sufficiently bad? Feel bad. Good. Okay, good. Good. I love you. Listen to me. Okay. That's not, that's not to beat you down. Yeah. Okay. How old are you? Uh, just 10 29. 29 years old. Okay. You're going to show up on time. Yeah. You're going to show up with a plan. Yes. Then you're going to execute it. And then you're in the top 1% Okay, that's it. Show up, show up on time, show up on time with a plan and execute it. There's like one or two percent of people that do all those things.
Starting point is 00:02:48 Now you're there. You're the one. And you've got a ton of talent. Everybody loves you. Like, I talked to kids in the last 24 hours. And I told them you were coming. Yeah. And they started to shake like I thought they were going to have a seizure.
Starting point is 00:03:07 Okay? So people love you. Yeah. All right. So let's talk about gnar. Yeah. So I saw something about a clothing line and it said narcotics. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:21 Okay. Yeah. I was looking at it. I'm like, narcotics, that's not cool. That's glorifying it. And then I saw it was gnar. Yeah. Cotics.
Starting point is 00:03:30 And I'm like, well, how do you not do that? that was like perfect. Yeah. Right? Yeah. But I did see somewhere that, what did you do with the nitrous? Oh, I threw it away. It was like, it was a viral video actually because the galaxy guy was just getting so popular in Atlanta with the young kids.
Starting point is 00:03:52 And so I did a video kind of just saying it wasn't cool and just like, opened it and like chuffed it into a dumpster. And it just kind of like blew up everywhere online. Well, that's not bad, Dylan. That was pretty good. Yeah. Why'd you do that? Just to show kids, like, sometimes it's cool not to do what everybody doing, you know? Like, I mean, nitrous is bad.
Starting point is 00:04:12 Gowler's gas is terrible for you. It fries your brain, you know. And so normally a rapper won't tell you to do it or it's cool or something. So I was like, I don't know, take a stance at least this one time and just throw it away. Yeah, this is the stupidest drug ever. Yeah. It's so lame. Good.
Starting point is 00:04:25 That was a star player move, man. The star player move. Yeah. So what drugs are you doing now? Nothing really I smoke a couple of cigarettes a day A vape slightly Um
Starting point is 00:04:37 Smoke a little bit of weed Uh huh Pretty soberly there I really don't do much I just I like nicotine Eventually I'll stop that If you want to stop it Just put a patch on
Starting point is 00:04:47 Yeah Like I put a patch on Yeah Okay Because I don't Lent to smoke it Because it's not healthy Yeah
Starting point is 00:04:53 But the nicotine is actually good For your brain Yeah It stimulates the mind Yeah I kind of felt that That's why I haven't Really took the last step, stop that.
Starting point is 00:05:03 But I smoke two, three cigarettes a day, some vapid. You don't need to stop the nicotine. You just need the delivery system is bad. Yeah. Because it's going to give you cancer. Yes. So just put the patch on. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:16 And you're tight. Yeah. You know? Yeah, I quit drinking lean, all the type of stuff. You quit drinking lean? Yeah, I haven't drank lean in like eight months. Really? Like at all, yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:26 So aside from smoking pot, you're doing nothing. I do nothing. I drink alcohol recreationally, like parties and stuff like that. But yeah, I'm a little more boring than two of my thing. I really don't do anything. Good for you. Yeah. Good for you because you're interested in being successful.
Starting point is 00:05:42 Yeah, super. You got a family? Yeah. No, I have no kids. I have that's a minute like family, like family members. I have no kids. Everybody's got family. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:52 No, I don't got kids yet. Yeah. Almost everybody. Yeah. I want you to just the messages that are going to come in is like, Well, I don't have a family. Anyway, I just want to thank you all real quick. Before I forget, bro, I want to handle some business.
Starting point is 00:06:06 Of course. Thank you so much for making us the number three rated mental health podcast in the world, according to Apple Podcasts. I didn't know it because I watch the YouTube. Yeah. Because, you know, I don't listen to podcasts. Yeah. I've never listened to a podcast that I wasn't on. In fact, I wouldn't listen to it if it was a podcast that was not where you could see it.
Starting point is 00:06:36 Yeah. I didn't listen to it. It was just audio on it? Yeah. I don't listen to audio. You know, I can't do it. Yeah. But I can't.
Starting point is 00:06:43 Yeah. A lot of people are doing it. And they mean... What? I say in the car and stuff the drive and have it on. Absolutely. Absolutely. And number six in the health and fitness category.
Starting point is 00:06:56 And this morning I found out that we were number one, 30 in all of podcasts. That's dope. I can't believe it. Yeah. I'm like in shock. That's amazing. You guys don't have anything better to do?
Starting point is 00:07:10 Really? That's sad. All right. I love you. I'm just joking. Yeah. All right. So let's get to you, huh?
Starting point is 00:07:22 Hey, before we start, who jersey is that? Oh, it's Kobe Bryant's USA Basketball jersey. Damn. Thanks for asking. I just bought a ton of jerseys with my favorite athletes. And I'm going to be wearing one on every episode. Every episode now. Yeah. Most of my favorites, though, are WNBA players. Okay, Michael.
Starting point is 00:07:48 I love Angel Reese. Yeah. I love her. Yeah. She's sick. Yeah. I love Caitlin Clark. Crazy. I watched that game last night.
Starting point is 00:07:58 It's against Brazil. Yeah. Do you know that they put a 22 on the court where she hit her last shot in Iowa? For real. Right? Yeah. She pulls up, she's getting pulled out in the fourth quarter. She knows it because they're way out. So right before the third quarter ends, she finds her spot where she hit the last one. A foot behind it, launches it, goes in. They'll place 15,000 people went in. Sane. She walks off the court.
Starting point is 00:08:33 She's cold. She's the best. But my favorite of all time. Yeah. And you probably never heard of her. Okay. Her name's Maya Moore. Nah, I haven't heard of her reaction. You don't know the story of Maya Moore.
Starting point is 00:08:45 Nah. So Maya Moore is the best basketball player to ever live in the women's game. Oh yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. And she stopped after like eight, nine years. years in the lake.
Starting point is 00:09:00 You know what she stopped for? No. She knew this man in prison and he was falsely accused. Yeah. And she looked into it and she saw that he was falsely accused. Yeah. She quit basketball and went ahead and got him out of jail. She just goaded in all areas.
Starting point is 00:09:27 Then she married. the guy and they're still married and they're both Christians and they're God-loving people and they're just doing their thing. Yeah. Right. Coolest woman to ever play sports. Sound like coolest woman on earth almost. Right. Yeah, she's pretty, that's an intense life story. I like that. My Amora, I want you on the program so bad. It's killing me. Super interesting story. Oh my gosh. She's fantastic. She needs to come next. I'll let you talk about God the entire time. come on. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:00 Let's convert. Let's get everybody baptized. Everybody. Okay. God just told me he wants you on. Yeah. So you've never done cocaine or heroin. I've no cocaine.
Starting point is 00:10:14 You have? No cocaine, yeah. I never tried crack. Oh, okay. I tried crack. Never tried heroin. Never will. You never tried crack.
Starting point is 00:10:22 No. So poor heroin. No. So the kids today don't do any of the drugs that we did in my dad. I don't know really It's insane They're switched up They're really big on pills
Starting point is 00:10:36 Lean Nitrous is big in the last year Um Still like that What about that pink cocaine It's like 2C Like the 2CI 2CB I think it's a mix of like
Starting point is 00:10:47 I think it's like ketamine And cocaine A few of things That's a little newer too I've never done that It's fentanyl Yeah ketamine
Starting point is 00:10:55 Yeah Um Maybe some cocaine MDM and a host of other stuff. So you went ahead and did a collab Yeah, with some guy, what's his name?
Starting point is 00:11:07 Rich Homie Kwan. Rich Homi Kwan. Yes. Okay, can we just call him Rich for the... Oh, Kwan. Okay, Kwan. Yeah. Both one's syllables.
Starting point is 00:11:17 Yeah, I can use either one about it. Okay. Yeah. So Kwan, yeah. You were close with Kwan, no? Yeah, it was cool. I also looked up to him because you could consider him like an Atlanta legend.
Starting point is 00:11:27 Like he's been a popular rapper in Atlanta for over 10 years. How old was he when he passed? I want to say like mid-30s, like young, like 35 at the oldest. Do you know what kind of drugs he was using? I seen the report and said he drank lean and then took a Xanax to go to sleep. But I think the Xanax was cut with Fentina. So, you think?
Starting point is 00:11:50 Like, that's what they said. Oh, I know. Yeah. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. Jesus. Does you have family?
Starting point is 00:12:03 Yeah. Quine, yeah. He has a few kids. kids, uh, I'll type of stuff, yeah. Jesus, anybody looking out for those kids? Uh, probably his family now, like his dad and stuff, maybe their mom. His parents are destroyed. Yeah, for sure.
Starting point is 00:12:19 It was a little crazy too because to put the song out, like, he loves the song, I love his song, his family love the song, but his family loved the song. But his dad is his manager. So even, like, clearing the record and stuff is a little heavy because you're coming, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, your son is past, but we're going to put this music out and stuff, like, it's a little heavy. put it out? Yeah, yeah, we put the song out, no issue. Because even before he passed, I loved the song, he loved the song. He loved the song. It was already ready to come out. Right. But then he passed, so then I waited actually a few months from when it was supposed to come out to put it out, just so to be more respectful and stuff for the whole situation. That's right. Situation. Good for you.
Starting point is 00:12:51 Yeah. The one that he was on with you on your album. Yes, is that album out? Yes, is that album out? It's not. That's called In My Glory. And, okay, that's the one that's being executive produced by Chief Keefe. So that'll be out in the next month or two. And so people, And so people are not only because they love you and everything to your fans, yeah. It's going to get a little extra push because Kwan is on now, right? Yeah, for sure. He's loved too.
Starting point is 00:13:20 He has a really big song with Young Thug called Lifestyle. It's probably like a diving record. Like Kwan's really like a legend in Atlanta. So him passing was really heavy for my city. It was like a really, really big deal. Yeah. you've collaborated with a bunch of big names. Yes.
Starting point is 00:13:40 Who you do collaborating with next? The biggest one, so like I said, I'm signing Chief Keefe, and he's executive producing my new project. So that whole body of work is like he touched on the whole thing. So I would say that. I got a lot of features on that too, but I don't want to give them all the way yet. I don't know what a feature is. It's a collaborator on your song.
Starting point is 00:13:59 You don't want to give him why? No, the key with a surprise. Why? So people are excited when it comes out But you said they're big Don't you think if you tell them about it They're going to be like Excited?
Starting point is 00:14:13 I'll say a couple not all of them Obviously chief keep is on there Nardo Wick is on there And young nudie is on there How come I don't know any of these guys Dylan You didn't get any of these guys on None of them What about famous decks?
Starting point is 00:14:31 Famous Decks You rock with Dex. I wrote the Dex. Yeah, he's cool. Uh-huh. What does that mean? You rock with Dex? We're cool.
Starting point is 00:14:39 We're not super cool. We don't really talk overly. We don't really talk too much, but he's cool. Like, I respect his work. And, you know what I'm saying? He's dope. I consider Dex someone of a legend. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:14:48 So give me three names. How many you got on this thing? How many collabs? It's like 15. Probably eight. I'd say like, good. Only give me eight. Only she?
Starting point is 00:15:01 All right. Give me four. Four. Chief Keith, Nardo Wick, young nudie, uh, caribou. Caraboo. Yeah. All right, one more. Just one more. Rich homie Kwan.
Starting point is 00:15:13 I can't believe you let that go. I can't believe you let me bully you into that. Now you only got three. Well, but they already knew about Kwan. Ah, okay. So you just jerked me around. And they already knew about Chief Keefe because he's executive producing the project. So of course he's going to be on that.
Starting point is 00:15:27 Well, play it. There you go. I gave it like 50-50. Very nice. Yeah. I'm not even mad that you were an hour late anymore. Yeah. I think it was awesome.
Starting point is 00:15:33 Yeah. He's got a dead smile, honey. I was 49 minutes later, actually. No, bullshit. Watching the clock. No, no, no, no. You got here at three and you were scheduled at two. Right.
Starting point is 00:15:44 Jesus. Trying to make it worse. Don't make it worse. All right. You came up in skating. Yes. Ice skating? That's not very cool.
Starting point is 00:15:54 Skateboarding. Yeah, I know. I was just kidding. I skate too, though. But you didn't have to say that. Everybody thought you were cool for a minute. I can do everything. Ice skate, snowboard, surf, skateboard, doing everything. Yeah, my ex-girlfriend was a skater.
Starting point is 00:16:09 For real. Yeah, she's really good, too. That's dope. Do you know that we are in mental health month? Really? Is it mental health awareness month? That's May. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:20 Okay, dope. We're in Mental Health Awareness Month. Okay. Okay. And I like that they chose an M. Yeah. Like, if they would have chose February, I'd be like, okay, that was stupid. It may.
Starting point is 00:16:31 It may. Makes sense. May. Yeah. You know. But you came up in skating, fashion, and music. Yeah. What's driving you right now? All three.
Starting point is 00:16:41 Mainly music and fashion, I would say. I skate, but I don't skate as much as I used to. It's more like a skill I have still. I can go skating. I'm still really good, but I do it like once, twice a month. I'm not doing it all the time like I used to. Really? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:55 You got a pool? At my house? Yeah. I don't. I need to build a pool up. I want to build a pool. and not to swim, but to skate. Oh, to skate.
Starting point is 00:17:03 Oh, I was talking about swimming pool. Well, I had a mini ramp at my old house. When I was renting the house, I had these dudes come and build a whole mini ramp back there. Then I moved. When I bought my house, they took it down. And I need to build a new one, but I haven't got around to it. Why did they take it down? It was too big.
Starting point is 00:17:19 I didn't own the house. At first, the one I was renting, it was there. And when I was leaving the house, the owner didn't want to keep it. So they just broke it down. Because it's a big thing. It's like six feet tall and like 10, feet. You know what I'm saying? It's like five feet wide, six feet tall, 10 feet long. So this is a giant structure. Right. Yeah. They made you take it down. Yeah. They paid me too. They charge me.
Starting point is 00:17:41 The owner charged me and take it down. So I need to, when I bought my house still a couple years ago, I do need to build on where I'm at now. So you mean tell me you got rid of it and he charged you? Yes. It's crazy. News slash everyone. When you leave. Yeah. Okay. They're going to keep your money anyway. Yeah. Okay? Yeah. Leave your skateboard ramp in the backyard.
Starting point is 00:18:03 You've talked about trying a lot of drugs. Yeah. How do you see drugs right now at this point in your life? Um, look, I think there's a couple sides to it, right? With the fentanyl going around, everything is kind of dangerous. It's more than it was a few years ago. Phenol is in so much stuff that the stuff that was a little lighter, like back in the day, right?
Starting point is 00:18:30 So obviously no drugs are good. But if you don't really have too much of an addictive personality and you're kind of strong-minded, you could, usually even Papa X or you could do this or that recreation here and there. Wouldn't really be the biggest deal, right? But now we're fentanyl and everything. It's like you can take one pill and just die, just check out.
Starting point is 00:18:48 You know, you can do one thing, one time, and completely check out. So it's a little scary landscape now, you know. I've seen a lot of people go like downhill from drugs just really spiral out and just let it kind of control their life and you just seem to start burning out crazy, you know. So thank you for that.
Starting point is 00:19:10 The thing about what you said when you're talking about it might have been okay to take a pill here and there. Yeah. Yeah, that's true when you get it from a pharmacy. Yeah. Right?
Starting point is 00:19:26 Yeah. But if 70% of the pills and powders that you're buying now on the street. Yeah. Right? Are laced with fentanyl. Yeah. And you're not a fentanyl user? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:40 You're dead. You're good. And a lot of these people that are dying. Yeah. Are people that have no idea they're taking fentanyl. Zero. Exactly. That's what happened to my friend, Juan, rich, rich, rich, took us in X.
Starting point is 00:19:56 You know, and normally he probably body would have been fine. So Xennings is a grown man. He would have been fine. Like, but it was fid and all in it. Right. So that's why you got to get everything at the pharmacy. If you're not prescribed this by a doctor and you're not getting it at the pharmacy. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:12 Then it's not if you're going to die. It's when you're going to die. Yeah. And it just is. Yeah. Someone's dying every seven minutes now. Yeah. In this country.
Starting point is 00:20:20 It's a problem. Yeah. And that was from the Health and Human Services Director. Yeah. Okay. what he said, I did my own math, and it was every five minutes. So it's somewhere between five and seven minutes. Someone dies from that.
Starting point is 00:20:33 From fentanyl. Yeah, that's crazy. And they're accidental overdoses. Yeah. You don't think you're getting it. You don't. Yeah. You don't.
Starting point is 00:20:43 All right. How much you pay for the necklace? Like upper 60,000. Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. That's gorgeous.
Starting point is 00:20:52 Yeah. It's technically a 101 because there's no way. Exactly. Oh, I understand that. It's one of one. Yeah, it's gorgeous. Yeah, that's 100 grand around your neck. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:00 What else you got? Um, I want to cut up a light day. Just the watch chain. Grill. How much of the grills? Probably like 20,000. They're worth like 20,000. Okay, so you got a buck 20, right?
Starting point is 00:21:12 I'll say that, yeah. When did you buy all this stuff? This year, last year, when? Uh, last year. Well, I don't know. The grills I got them two months ago. So the grills this year. This is last year.
Starting point is 00:21:21 This is my birthday last year. So it's February last year. Okay. Let's say last year. Yeah. Okay? So, yeah, that's not. Let's just do it this way. We'll ask Alex. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, about $20.30 total, something. Alex, my friends got $120,000. We want to throw it in with a wealth manager right now. We're going to buy the indexes and the allocation that we talked about earlier. So why don't you put this away for... Hell old are you again, bro? Just turn $20.000. at 10% compounding interest. Yeah. If you put that $120,000 away and you never, I mean, you're not spending the money now,
Starting point is 00:22:10 so you don't need this money to live or to buy new things or to invest, right? Yeah. It's around your neck. Yeah. Okay. That's what's called a depreciating asset. Yeah. It loses the second you buy it, it's worth half.
Starting point is 00:22:24 Yeah. You're right. Okay. Probably less, too. probably less. Because custom jewelry, the resale is terrible. That's right. Watch this is better, but custom jewelry resale is correct.
Starting point is 00:22:34 There you go. How much money at a 10% compounding interest for 25 years, which makes you, by the way, 64 years old? Okay. Okay? Yes. I mean, you're going to live past 64. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:48 You want to guess how much money you've got from that $100,000? How much? 1.4 million plus. You think you could use that? For sure. Mm-hmm. What do you think that's worth in 26 years? 50 bucks.
Starting point is 00:23:09 I'm just kidding. Nostalgia-wise, but no, we're probably nothing. Close and the value of the gold is. Right? Yeah. Okay. So there's a reason I'm telling you this. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:21 Okay. You want a family? Yes. You dating anybody? Uh, no, right now. Okay? I was not right now. Uh-huh.
Starting point is 00:23:31 Yeah. Well, you're 29. You'll find somebody. Yeah. Okay. And you're going to have kids. Yeah. Okay?
Starting point is 00:23:37 You want kids? Yes. Why? Um, I didn't carry on legacy and just I feel like it's the right thing to do. I don't know. You don't know. It's a good thing to say. I kind of want a kid, but I don't really know why.
Starting point is 00:23:46 But you don't know why. I'm just having them. A lot of people don't want to have kids because they don't think they're going to be good at it or I think it's going to cost them money. Yeah. First of all, it doesn't cost you money. It makes you money. Okay.
Starting point is 00:23:59 A lot of buddy. Yeah. Sure, because, you know, for yourself, you've got enough and you're just, you take it easy. Yeah. But once you have a family to take care of, now you're thinking about taking care of others. Yeah. And how much you love that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:16 Right. When you're a father, you'll get it. And they don't think they're going to be good at it. Yeah. And, you know, that was my issue. Yeah. I thought I was going to be a horrible father. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:28 Right. And so what I did and what I think everybody should do because it worked for me and it really helped was you go to these early childhood development classes. It's like a seminar. Oh, they're talks. Yeah. And so my ex and I for date night. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:45 Would go to all these things. Yeah. And then if we were okay, we'd go to dinner. and if we were tired, we'd go home. Yeah. And it was really sweet because we were doing it together. Yeah. You know?
Starting point is 00:24:56 And you learn how to be a better parent. Yeah. Right? Which we all want. Right? Yeah. So the reason I bring this up is you're going to want to start building for the future. Yes.
Starting point is 00:25:12 And so I tell everybody that comes here, I know it's part of the culture. I get it, dude. Yeah. I get that it's the thing. Okay. but what's cool changes. Yeah. Okay?
Starting point is 00:25:23 And there's nothing cooler than being financially independent. Yeah. So that you're not grinding every day. Yeah. So that way you get to do what you want to do. Yeah. You don't have to show up for a bunch of BS because you have to.
Starting point is 00:25:36 Yeah. Right? Yeah. Right. How are you doing or, I mean, I guess it sounds gratuitous, but we have to do it.
Starting point is 00:25:45 Maybe on a mental health show, evidently. And how you, how's your mental state? Do you have a joy of living? Do you get depressed? I feel anxious. Great. I'm actually so happy these days. Like, I'm so happy.
Starting point is 00:26:03 I have a house and a little dog and just get to, I have a recording studio on my house so I can go downstairs and work. Because me, I love to work. Like, if I'm not able to do what I want to do, then I get bummed out. But then for the last couple of years, I've been able to have a recording studio at my house. My engineer can come over. I have a little dog. I have like half acre of land.
Starting point is 00:26:18 I just walk around and put my feet in the grass and just like, you know what I'm saying? Get away from just everything. I love it. I've been so happy. But I've dealt with depression as well too though. For a long time, I was super unhappy. Like for no real reason. Like I feel like I got mad tattoos.
Starting point is 00:26:33 Like I've put my whole entire body, tatted like head to everything like hundreds. And when I was getting those a lot, I probably wasn't as happy. Not because of them, but I dealt with sometimes like I'd be bummed and I like go get tattoos to make you feel a little better. You know what I'm saying? Yes and no. Yeah. How old were you when you went through that bout of depression?
Starting point is 00:27:00 Early 20s, I'd say, like 23-ish. Ganga through a couple years. Yeah, 22, 24, yeah. How'd you get out of it? You know, I don't know. I just feel like I kind of changed my surroundings. I was actually kind of bummed when I was living in L.A. I changed my surroundings.
Starting point is 00:27:19 I moved back to Atlanta. Maybe got closer to the family. Really, it was like, I think just growing in life. It was just maybe getting a little older and changing my surroundings. It kind of like worked itself out. Where were you here in L.A.? I was over like, I stayed a couple places, Highland Park, Eagle Rock, and Glendale. So over like northeast L.A.
Starting point is 00:27:41 And then when you moved home, yeah, that's where your family is? Yeah, I'm from Atlanta. My family in Atlanta, I'm from Atlanta. So you just didn't vibe out here. I did LA's cool But nah I like Atlanta more
Starting point is 00:27:54 I like home more I still come No I'd be in LA Like once a month But just living like Home base I like being Where I'm from more
Starting point is 00:28:01 Yeah Having your family Close Yeah Is everything Yeah Right Yeah
Starting point is 00:28:09 You ever get anxious Um Okay Let me start with me I get scared Okay of a lot of things. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:22 I was scared of this thing. Yeah. This podcast thing. Yeah. I've never seen a podcast. Yeah. I've never listened to a podcast. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:29 Okay. So for me, this was a scary thing and probably the least scary thing I've done in the last five years, right, frankly. Yeah. But as an example, I was scared. Yeah. And that makes me anxious. Yeah. Like this.
Starting point is 00:28:47 Yeah. Right? Now, I push through it. Yeah. You know, I like run through it. Yeah. Because I don't want to feel like a coward, right? That's a horrible feeling, right?
Starting point is 00:28:58 But I still get anxious. Yeah. And I have to have the tools and the intestinal fortitude to push through it. And go do it. Do you ever get anxious because you're afraid of something? And then it either keeps you from doing it and it keeps you stuck. or you push through it either way. No, not really.
Starting point is 00:29:22 I don't really get anxious. Or maybe I just push through it. I don't really get anxious or scared to do anything. I'm more so dealing with maybe anxiety of wanting to do something and I can't or not able to at the time. More like an impatient type of thing. And that'll kind of make me feel weird internally. You know, like it would be stuff I want to do
Starting point is 00:29:39 or places I want to go or things I want to do in my life and the fact I can't do it yet will kind of make me anxious inside, if that makes any sense. It does. But here's the thing now, okay, if you keep doing what you're doing every single day and you put your best foot forward every single day, you make little progressions. Yeah. Okay? Every day.
Starting point is 00:30:03 But at the end of the year, your life looks like this. Yeah. Okay? You're a completely different guy. Yeah. And if you don't worry about the result. Yeah. Just head down, moving forward, focused on the process.
Starting point is 00:30:20 If you just do that every single day to the best of your ability, I promise. Yeah. It's not you can't have it. Yeah. It's just not yet. And you will have everything you want. Because if nobody outworks you, it almost doesn't matter what talent you have. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:42 It really doesn't. I mean, I'm a legit moron. But nobody outworks me. Yeah. Ever. Yeah. Like, if I knew someone was working 20 hours a day like I was, I'd be working 22 hours a day.
Starting point is 00:30:58 Yeah. I mean, I just, I would do it. I like that. You have to. That charged me up. See, that's tough stuff does not want to go do something. That charges me up. All right.
Starting point is 00:31:06 I'd love to hear that. You want me to pump, what, the $100,000 for that, turning into $1.4 million didn't pump you up? No. Oh. Just working harder pumps me up, you know. It's just like the fact that there's always somebody working hard than you and then remembering that in my head is like, all right, cool, I can go even harder.
Starting point is 00:31:23 But it ain't what you make. Yeah. It's what you save and invest. Yeah. Do you understand? Yeah. So you're going to get to a point where you've got a ton of money. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:35 But if you don't take a percentage of that money, every money you get, and you put it into a, a wealth account where you've got the indexes and the allocations that you want and you invest and you forget about it you'll never have anything
Starting point is 00:31:56 because we can spend it as fast as we make it right? For sure. Here's the good news. Remember when I told you about kids making you money? Yeah. The second you have children
Starting point is 00:32:08 you're not going to give a shit about things. Yeah. No, you won't. Yeah. Okay? Because things don't make you happy. You know that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:16 Okay. And the only thing that's going to make you happy is working the way you do. Yeah. Even harder and smarter because now you've got somebody else to think about. Yeah. The only thing you're going to care about is your kids. Yeah. Dude, when I had a kid, before I had a kid, everything I said to my ex was funny.
Starting point is 00:32:37 Every word that came out of my mouth was hysterical. Yeah. The second we had a kid, there was nothing. funny and I became nothing more than a sperm donor and an ATM. Yeah. That was it. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:32:51 I'm cool with it. Okay? Yeah. But, you know, that's a fact. Yeah. If the money you make now, you take 20% of it, which you're not going to miss. Yeah. Are you?
Starting point is 00:33:07 No. Okay. Then put it in a wealth account. Okay. Yeah. and buy the indexes and put it in, even if you just put it in CDs. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:33:23 It's still better than nothing. Yeah. Okay? And watch your money grow. Yeah. Okay? Because if you do that, what's going to end up happening is one day you're going to be sitting in your office.
Starting point is 00:33:38 Yeah. Okay. At a big fat desk. Okay. with your feet up on the desk and a big fat cohaba in your mouth. Yeah. Okay?
Starting point is 00:33:50 Got it? Yeah. You're gonna do it? Yeah, I'm on it. All right. I believe you. I'm gonna do her. All right.
Starting point is 00:33:58 You're a little light on the facial tattoos. What happened? I didn't want to get caught in that 2018 wave of getting this one. People love getting this one. You know, like the under eye one? I know, I got more, though, just they're covered by a hat. So I actually have 20.
Starting point is 00:34:12 but 20 on your face? I just placed them where it wouldn't make me look all fried and ugly. I didn't care about my face. So I had them like here on the sides of my head and my hair. All of my hair line. Both sides of my head under the hair. On your neck. Eyebrows.
Starting point is 00:34:32 Yeah, chin neck. Back on my head. Oh, buddy. I didn't want to look too fried though, so I didn't want to look ugly. A lot of people just crash out. I need a face tat. Maybe look sad. No, get this one.
Starting point is 00:34:41 And then you wake up. You start taking Zanz, you look a little old. The second, you're sober. Yeah, you wake up, you're like, what the hell happened? Exactly. So I wake up, drink me a water, and I'll be chilling. That is so funny. Do you know that when I started this seven months ago?
Starting point is 00:34:58 Yeah. And I saw the first guys show up with the facial tattoos. Yeah. I was like this. What the fuck is this? Yeah. What am I supposed to do with, first of all, they look scary as hell
Starting point is 00:35:14 Yeah Right? Yeah But then you talk to them Yeah And it's like It's a fashion statement Yeah
Starting point is 00:35:23 That's all it is Yeah Right? Yeah It's not I'm tough Or I'm this Yeah
Starting point is 00:35:30 Like when were you gonna tell The white people You just gotta let them be scared Uh huh But yeah I mean I got lucky I didn't do all that one
Starting point is 00:35:38 I got a bunch But I didn't do this one This one This is the one It really makes you look fucked up. When you get this more, who's got the most
Starting point is 00:35:44 chacial tattoos, little Zan? Are they 2K baby? No. Yeah. Oh, yeah. 2K. For sure.
Starting point is 00:35:53 Yeah. I didn't even notice it. He's so handsome. Seriously. Yeah. You know 2K baby? Yeah. He has a lot.
Starting point is 00:36:01 He's like still getting him because he's like, a lot of these other dudes like Zan or Dex or like they got him like years ago. Like 2K is a warrior because he still just current with it. You know Zan? Have you ever seen 2K?
Starting point is 00:36:11 like basketball. I haven't. He's probably good, right? He's an A2K, baby. Dude. He buns. He sucks? He sucks? He suck. He's hard. His music's hard. He's not a 2K baby. He's talented, talented artist. He trash. In basketball.
Starting point is 00:36:40 Yeah, in basketball. Yeah. No, music's fired. Okay. The first thing we're going to do is our rant. Yeah. Okay. You get a rant. Okay. You get to go on for a minute, two minutes, five minutes. I don't give a shit how long you go on. Yeah. But. Rath starts now. Okay. I don't like how Instagram has given people the fake illusion of options in relationships, men and women. Everybody feels like they can have anybody and do anything, especially if they're attracted. Women feel like they can have this guy, this guy, this guy.
Starting point is 00:37:12 You have to be rich to fuck with a girl. Garely can afford a rent. I don't like how you do it. And the opposite, I'm not just going to be misogyny. The opposite in dudes, if you have any type of staying followers, clout, money, you're attracted. Now you have all these options for girls. So loyalty is fucking out the window in 2025. I don't like the new tariff shit that's fucking up in the prices of shipping and manufacturing overseas. Got in there putting all this weird shit in our food, making people dying. I don't like to fit in all that epidemic cooking people like back in the day. You're like, oh, I'm going to smoke weed with my brand.
Starting point is 00:37:43 Try cocaine or some little shit because I'm fucking 16. I just want to fuck around. You know what I'm saying? It's 1993. And then you do it. And then you're like, oh, I'm a fucking regular person. Nothing. Do that shit no more now.
Starting point is 00:37:52 Now it's 2025. if your kids go try something, you're like, oh, I'm little Jimmy. I pop one with my friends and I fucking died at 17 years old. The first time I tried some, that's stupid. God, there's so much stuff. I don't like how strong the weed is now. Weed is too fucking strong. What happened to the weed just came in a little blue bag of you get it from a random
Starting point is 00:38:10 nigga at the gas station? Like, your weed is fucking 39% THC. Now you got fucking diamonds and everybody dabbing hash-Razzing. Like, it's too strong. I like the OG, the blue bag of sour d'easy. you get from a nigga at the gas station. That has you perfect. The weed is so strong now.
Starting point is 00:38:26 I'm not tap it out. I'm not a bitch. It's just wildly strong. Who needs 40% T.HC? Like, where is that even at? It's a fucking plant. Like, how is 40% of this fucking crystallized THC? It's fucking crazy, man.
Starting point is 00:38:37 There's so much stuff. I hate people with inflated egos. I hate girls who get their bodies done. I say they built it in the gym. I hate girls out what? Get their bodies done. Like, get surgery and they lie to the other girls and say it did in the gym.
Starting point is 00:38:49 They don't do it in the gym. Like, what? We pay Dr. Miami. I hate that Walmart's not 24 hours anymore. That fucking blows me. I'd be up all night. I stay up all night every night. Walmart is not 24 hours.
Starting point is 00:39:00 I used to go there and get stuff. I can go get food. I can go get fucking a stick of glue if I need. I go get Skittles, underwear, socks at fucking four in the morning. So I'll be up on night. Walmart closed at 11 p.m. now. It's ass. And they're not bringing it back.
Starting point is 00:39:12 It's fucking a pandemic. During Corona, Walmart changed from 24 hours to 11. And they never brought it back. Like, what are y'all doing? Walmart bring it back. Type of shit is that. It's fucking terrible. Oh my God, bro.
Starting point is 00:39:23 I hate people who think they're better than you because of vegetarian. Like, you have to take supplements to get the stuff I'm getting from protein. I don't know if you're healthier than me. You might be, but I don't trust it. Man. That's so much, though. You are a genius. You're just a genius.
Starting point is 00:39:39 That was so good. Give me three more things that you hate. I hate sitting in the middle seat on a plane. I fucking hate it. I sit there. I'm like, bro, I need more money. I need to be. I don't even want to fly proud.
Starting point is 00:39:50 It feels like a waste of money. The only time I feel like I want to fly private, but I'm sitting in the middle seat, and that's the worst thing on earth. I sit in the middle seat, maybe I get them lucky, like, once a year and sit in that middle, and it's the worst four hours of my life. I'm just like, I hate this. I hate it. I don't like people who are overly inflated egos.
Starting point is 00:40:05 A lot of people that aren't even that term will come through, like just thinking of the shit. And it's like, I'm actually famous. I'm not acting like a dickhead. Like, bitches get their first 10,000 on Instagram and turn into fucking Britney Spears. It's calm it down. Um, Hey, traffic.
Starting point is 00:40:22 Like, why don't you just drive? I'm like, why is the traffic? If you all just drive faster, there's no traffic. Hey, more cars just drive faster. I don't care. Like, I don't understand the science of traffic. Like, even though there's more cars, why are you all doing 10? If y'all all just did 60, no traffic.
Starting point is 00:40:37 It's done. Somebody tell the cars, tell Trump to tell everyone. Should drive faster. No more traffic. L.A. Rush Hour. Overweight. Shout out to Lil Narc. Fix the problem.
Starting point is 00:40:46 God, you are the best. Thank you so much for that. All the crisis. That was so good. I'm not even pissed. Yeah. So I have no rant. I'd have some shit.
Starting point is 00:40:57 If y'all let me prepare, if I knew I had a rant, I'd have had an hour. That was off the top, Mike. Oh, there's a lot of things that piss you off. Now is awesome. Masha a little bit. What even is that? It's green tea powder. Why do y'all love it so much?
Starting point is 00:41:11 I don't drink it, so I don't know. I've heard it's dope, but I tasted it. Ass. Ass, ass. It's horrible. It's horrible. It's horrible. What's horrible?
Starting point is 00:41:19 Boba. Boba. Yeah, it's decent. I have to act like I like boba because pretty girls like boba. So I like boba. I like tequila, hookah, and boba because pretty girls like those three things. Huka? The girls like the hookah?
Starting point is 00:41:31 They love hookah. Why? You just sit there and smoke and like, it gives them a little bit of a head rush from the nicotine. Because you know what's shisha is tobacco? So it's a girl where smoking a cigarette without smoking a cigarette. Because if you tell a girl, I'll smoke a cigarette, like, oh, that's disgusting. I hate cigarettes. You want to go smoke hookah?
Starting point is 00:41:47 It's like, that's pure tobacco. You're burning right there, right? It's just flavor. You know that, right? I hate that, actually. Girls who think cigarettes are nasty thing on earth and then go sit in a hookaboff for four hours. Like, it's not different. It just has fruit punch on it.
Starting point is 00:41:59 Hey, yeah? Thank you for coming today. Of course, man. I really appreciate it, man. I'm sick. You are an outstanding guest. Thank you. We do me one last favor.
Starting point is 00:42:10 Of course. Okay. Promise me you're going to follow Delwood. I never forgot about following Dylan. And it hasn't slipped my mind this whole time. Tell them, Lums out. Yeah. See you next Tuesday.
Starting point is 00:42:22 Here, here. and here. You get three tosses. Okay. What's the number you're ending four? One, two, or three. You got to do it. Oh, you pick where you want to go.
Starting point is 00:42:31 Now, here's the rules. Yeah. One, two, three. Yeah. That's worth two. So two, four, and six. Three, six, and nine. Okay.
Starting point is 00:42:42 Okay. You get three throws and then I get three throws. Okay. I'm going from two, two, two, too, too. Okay. That's good. Okay, that was good. Oh, it's okay.
Starting point is 00:42:55 You're a lefty. It's awesome. Dude. That was fat. I'm embarrassing myself. No, no, no, no, no. You're doing great. Well, that almost went into the neighbor's yard.
Starting point is 00:43:15 All right. All right. We're going to be 10. You got two of them? I mean, the second one went in. And two? That was sick. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:23 All right. How many, how many balls you throw? One, two, three, four, five. I'm at five, yep. You got three, okay, you threw five. Yeah. And you got four. five. You got five points.
Starting point is 00:43:37 Okay. So the only way I can win is if I get the three there, but I can't. Yeah. Because you got your shit in there first. It's going to block me out. Yeah. I win. Damn. Give it up.
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