We're Out of Time - Lil Xan: A Recovery Story YOU won't belive!

Episode Date: January 21, 2025

In this interview, Richard Taite dives deep into mental health and sobriety with Lil Xan. Discover the importance of wanting to change and how sobriety has led to success for the rapper, including his family's story of substance abuse, how his dad inspired his music career, and more. Los Angeles is the backdrop for this profound conversation. For all things Richard Taite, the We're Out Of Time podcast, and Carrara Treatment Wellness & Spa: https://linktr.ee/richardtaite https://www.1callplacement.org/ For more on Lil Xan: https://www.instagram.com/xanxiety Key moments from this conversation with Lil Xan & Richard Taite. Intro 00:00 Where did Lil Xan get his stage name, what did it used to be and how did being a photographer at SXSW lead to him becoming a rapper? 01:09 What is Lil Xan's family history of substance abuse and addiction? 06:11 How did his Dad's passion for music inspire Lil Xan's music? 09:14 What has been the most difficult part for Lil Xan in getting sober? 10:58 When did substance use start for Lil Xan? 15:50 Why did Lil Xan take a year-long hiatus from music and social media? 19:57 What is Lil Xan's infamous "Hot Cheeto" story? 23:31 What plan does Lil Xan have to be able to confront fears and times of depression? 30:27

It took getting sober. It has to come from within. Like, you have to want to change. Tell me about your family. My sister is still in the streets of San Redino, and my brother, he's in prison. I don't know the whole story, but a drug deal gone bad. I'm very fortunate to have, like, a great relationship with my mom and dad. I don't think I would have been a musician if it wasn't for my old man.

I need to know about the hot Cheetos. Oh, my God, the Hot Cheetos. I love that story. What was the most difficult moment in your journey? trying to get sober. I had finally decided in myself, I was like, I'm done living like this, because I could see I was going to die.

All right. Little Zam. How's it going, man? How you doing? Doing good. This coffee is really good, too, man. Thanks for coming today, bro. I really appreciate it.

You came from Temecula? Yeah, Temecula, the faraway lands of Tomegula. That's three hours. You're going six hours round trip? Yeah, yeah, we're probably going to stay out here a little bit, give some food, and then wait for traffic to die down. But I appreciate you having me on as well. Well, thank you, man.

So I want to talk about, first thing, your name. Yeah. Little Zan. It's crazy. How'd you get that? That is a very interesting question. The name Little Zan, originally, what, there was, like, let's go back to 2016. I'm in South by Southwest in Austin, Texas.

I'm going by a different name called Baby NyQuil, you know. Yeah, it's just, you some people know about. that and I wasn't trying to be a rapper. I was just trying to be a photographer for rappers. I didn't care if I got famous for being the photographer. I just wanted to be involved in the scene that was going on. But I also had a vice, an addiction to Xanax at the time. And one of my friends just kept looking at me and he's like, you're so messed up off Xanax all the time. You're Lil' Zan. And then from that point on, we swapped from Baby NightQuil to Lil'Zan. But at the time, I was thinking, wow, what a stupider name than baby NyQuil, Lil Zan?

Like, I was like, that is, we're not going to get radio play with that name. People, sponsorships aren't going to want to. I was surprised, though. Like, in the beginning, like, everybody wanted to work with Lil Zan, which was crazy because that name is just crazy. Well, drug addicts don't know what it means. Yeah, true. That is, I did learn that as the years went on that, yeah, yeah, there is a majority of people that, Little Zan, like Zan, like Zan, like they don't put it to.

In our circle, right? Everybody knows. Yeah, exactly. But, you know, only. The Normies, yeah. That's what they call. That's what they call it. You going to A.

Hmm. What was that? You going to A.A. I've been to a few AAs. The last one I went to was like a few months ago. Yeah, but I went to rehab as well, like a few times. Really? I did this one in Huntington Beach a few times.

By the fourth time, it took me a few times, but by the fourth time, yeah, I just haven't touched it since that last rehab. How long is it? Do you drink? Uh, socially. Yeah, yeah, I socially drink, but I haven't drank in a long time. Okay. And you smoke pot? Yes, Cali Sober 100%.

Cali sober. Well, Cali sober means you don't drink. You just smoke. Oh, really? Well, I'm somewhere in the middle there. Yeah. That's okay, bro. You know what the thing is, is, you know, the Xanax was crazy.

creating wreckage from you, right? Oh, yeah. Okay. And we'll get into that. The pot I don't really have an opinion on. Okay. You know, I consider it to be... Gateway drug?

No, no, no, no. I consider it to be like a medically assisted treatment. Okay, yeah. So that's not a problem for me. I just want you to be aware of the drinking, right? Because here's my experience. Yeah. Your first drink's fine.

But somewhere in that second drink, halfway through, three quarters through whatever it is, it happens. Right? I know what you mean. Yeah, I know you're talking about like triggered getting, no, you used to get drunk. Oh, you started that buzz hits. Yeah, yeah, that buzz hits.

Yeah. Right. And when that does and you're feeling good, it affects your decision making. Yes. And then you're out to buy Xanax. For sure. Yeah.

Back to the dope bad. That's what I meant. Yeah. Like it leaves one bad thing will lead to another. Well, it just affects your decision making. It just, you know, that's why people get in a car and they run into a family of four or whatever. Yeah. You know, I agree completely.

And so if you can be honest with yourself, right? And make certain that when you're feeling it, right, Because you get away with it the first. I mean, I got away with it maybe a hundred times. Yeah. Okay. But then I was back to the dope man. Yeah.

Yeah. Right. Oh, I've had those situations. The third time that I'd gotten out of rehab, I was thinking that was it. Like, I'd cured. I wasn't going to relapse anymore. And that time, within an hour of getting out of rehab, I was already on the phone with my plug having him drive three hours to drop off purgocets.

Like an hour after I left my third time of rehab. So I understand that completely. And it just, yeah, the fourth time, thank God, it seemed like it worked out. So it's hard. It's tricky. Yeah. It is tricky. But here's my fear.

Mm-hmm. Okay. One of the reasons or the reason I decided to do this podcast because of the fentanyl. Epidemic. Yeah, it's horrible. It's horrible. And, you know, Xanax, you ain't going to a, damn pharmacy. You just said it. You called your plug. Yeah, yeah. And the legitimacy of those pills

comes into question all the time. Well, yeah, 70% of them have fentanyl in it. Yeah. So it's not if you're going to die. It's when you're going to do. When, exactly. Tell me about your family, dude. Do you have brothers, sisters? Yeah. I have a half-brother and a half-sister. The problem with that, and you'll learn kind of where my addiction came from. It was definitely like I feel hereditary almost like passed down because my brother, my sister is still in the streets of San Redino, you know, on, I think it's meth and stuff. So I don't see her very often. She's older.

She's like 40, 50 or something. And my brother, who's also, almost 50, he's in prison for murder. Yeah. For murder? Yeah. For murder. Yeah. Tell me about that.

He, uh, a long, I only got to. see him probably till I was like eight years old. That's the last memory I have of him. And then apparently, I don't know the whole story, but he got into a tussle at a hotel, a drug deal gone bad, kind of something. And the guy got shot in the head. And yeah, he's locked up ever since. So I haven't seen my brother in like 20 years, actually, yeah, 20 years. When does he get out? He doesn't. Yeah, he's not getting out. Why? It's amazing. But he didn't shoot him. it was like an accident and put it this way. The guy he shot in the head lived.

He lived, but he's like crippled from, you know, the neck down and stuff. But he lived. It's a weird case, but he should have gotten out 10 years ago. You know what I mean?

So it's just the justice system. But he didn't shoot him. No, no, no, no. Yeah. So it's when you're out with people. Yeah. And somebody commits a felony like that, you're all responsible.

Yeah. Yeah. even the other guy, yeah, they all got screwed over. So, you know, it doesn't really bother me. I don't feel like I hold any trauma on that side from my sister or my brother. At this age 28, I think I've learned that they're always going to, excuse me, they're always going to do what they want to do. And the only way they're going to change. And I know this for a fact because that's how I changed. It has to come from within. Like, you have to want to change your life for the better before. Like, nobody can help you. Like, they can try. You can try to help. You can try to help.

You can try to put her in rehab. But if they don't want to change, it will never happen. What's your relationship like with your parents right now? I have a great, I'm very fortunate to have like a great blessed relationship with my mom and dad. They both live with me. Yeah, yeah, I rented a house and they just stay with me. I take care of my mom because my mom actually just had spine surgery four days ago. Wow.

Yeah, she has. They rushed her to the hospital. had to do emergency surgery. She's like handicapped, so she can't move her legs. So I take care of her a lot. But I'm a mama's boy. I love her. We've had the greatest relationship.

I had a very good childhood, which I know a lot of people aren't, you know, blessed with that opportunity. So I'm very grateful for just having some cool parents. They always believed in me when I wanted to pursue music. How about your old man? Yeah. He definitely, yeah. I don't think I would have been a musician if it wasn't for my.

man because he had thousands and thousands of vinyl records from bob dillon to symphony beethoven so i don't i'm not musically inclined in the sense where i can pick up a guitar and just you know rip but he exposed me to a lot of different genres at an early age and i think that's where i developed such an appreciation for music which would lead into little zan it's crazy how everything happens but yeah so i had a good child So I was homeless for a little bit, not long, but I was. And I heard that you were. Is that correct? Homeless.

No, no. I never, never was homeless. No small. No, no, never. My drug habit got so bad, but miraculously, I never faced homelessness. I got close to like it back before the pandemic or right at the pandemic. But no, I never was homeless or anything. There's a lot of like misinformation.

and stuff like that on the internet due to just bad faith actors and stuff. That's how I put it, you know. Bad faith actors. Yeah, bad faith actors, you know, just misinformation spreading it. So, but yeah, I know I was never homeless. And at this point in my life, I am doing so well, so well. That's fantastic. Yeah, and it took getting, I will say that it took getting sober.

There was no way in hell that if I didn't get sober, I couldn't rebuild to like where I'm at now. So like, I have. No, you can't. You can't. You can't. Yeah. I would have either, I probably would have been dead, you know, to be frank. But, yeah, you just can't.

You can't. What was the most difficult moment in your journey trying to get sober? The most difficult moment I would say on the journey. Oh, that's, I know. When I had finally, before I went to the four rehabs, I had finally decided in myself, I was like, I'm done living like this. because I could see the near future and I was going to die. Everybody, my mom, my girlfriend at the time, they knew what path I was on and I didn't have very much longer.

So I just went cold turkey off of taking probably 60 Xanaxes a day and like 30 perks a day. Dude, you're not that big. I know, I know. Yeah, yeah. But my tolerance was that, like that high. How long were you on it for? seven years I think oh yeah yeah that's why yeah what is your detox like oh this is watch this is what I'm gonna talk about so I went cold turkey thinking oh I had the mindset like yeah I'm gonna quit

this that's good but my body had a totally separate reaction you know what I mean oh I know it yeah yeah and at first it was like oh okay it's just the normal withdraws they suck this that but then I started having seizures and I had one seizure two seizures seizure three, four, five. Oh, I didn't. Thank God. I didn't buy my tongue. I had people around me every time. But, um, so after eight seizures in the span of two days, uh, they put me on, you know, Kepra, anti-seizure medications and then-an anti-seizure medication after eight. Yeah, after eight. Yeah, right? Yeah, no, that's crazy.

Genius. Genius healthcare system. But, um, yeah, and then that's when the detox really started after the seizures and it was just two months sweating, shitting myself, throwing up on myself. This is the most ugly of human can feel and be. But I knew I kept telling myself just one day at a time, one day at a time, you're not going to feel like this. Because what you want to do during that time is just go take drugs to make that pain stop. Absolutely. Yeah, make the sickness stop. So I just locked myself in a room for like two months. Dude, you're so. You're so. lucky because nobody stays sober like that anymore. Yeah.

Nobody gets sober like that anymore. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I've always done with every treatment center I've ever had. I've always had the same policy. Slow and steady. Yeah. No suffering. I had a guy who was just here.

He had eight milligrams of Xanax that he was using for 20 years. That's the tolerance. he built. We went down in the first 30 days to two and a half. That's amazing. Right. So we didn't go down the whole way. We just went down slow and shit. It would have been stupid to go down the whole whole way. Yeah. It took us another 30 days because it's harder at the end. Yeah. To go from two and a half to zero. And then he stayed another 30 days on top of it because his head was foggy. Yeah. Even once you quit it completely, like even when I wasn't withdrawing anymore after the couple months, like you, it still takes like months and months for you just to kind of regain, I don't know what you call it like just yourself. Mental clarity. Yeah. Mental clarity. Yeah. Because you're walking around like a, like a zombie. And you've got a fog in your head. Yeah. And you've got all these thoughts. And then you try to say them and the words don't come. Yeah. I went through that too. Yeah. Yeah. It's the brain fog. It was horrible. Yeah. It's horrible. So it took actually probably eight months in total just to get sober.

You know, a lot of people try to get sober. And you've tried four times. Yeah. And probably more, yeah. I've tried probably 300 times. I mean, I was just a wreck disaster. Have you had any setbacks this time? The only setbacks I had were the couple weeks after I got out of my last rehab time was I took a couple.

pull, like this is right after, like a week after I got out. I took a couple narcos one day and then a couple Zanis the next day. But then like I had a realization like, oh, I'm not going to go back. So I just never did it from that point on again. And it's almost three years since then. Really? Yeah. Three years without pills. Yeah, without pills. Yeah, dude, you would have been dead for sure. Oh, yeah. Because over these last three years, it's gotten so much worse. So much, yes. I would, yeah, you said 70% cut is probably going up. like more and more than just even 70. It's crazy.

It's bad. Yeah. Do you remember how you started? My drug use? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's a good question. I didn't go like full drug addict when I first started.

It was just maybe one or two Xanaxes like every week kind of just random spots, you know. But I was 18 and I saw my friends with this Mountain Dew bottle. It was just like a Mountain Dew bottle. I forgot what flavor, but they were opening the lid and they were jumping some out and they were throwing in crushed up Xanax in there. And I was just, I, I'd never seen that. And I think me being such a soda lover, like just that looked appetizing to me, I guess. But I still didn't try it for a couple weeks. But then I was like, a homie, he was like, hey, try this. And I was like, what was this? Zan soda? And I did it and I fell in love with it immediately. Because I was suffering with

anxiety that I didn't even know about at the time. So it just made me feel amazing, you know, just drinking it out of a bottle of soda, just crushing it up. And yeah, and that's kind of my first introduction into it. Like, I would do it here and there, parties and shit, but I wasn't addicted. It wasn't withdrawing. But fast forward from 18 to 21. Now I'm under a lot of pressure because I'm in the music industry, just signed a major deal. A lot of of people telling me this telling me that the the main problem was just the audience that was watching me like the just feeling like people were critiquing every aspect of my life and everybody having just negative or bad opinions on me so much stress and depression that I turned to Xanax full

time um for the first four years and then I still was on Xanax after four years but I needed something and more. So that's when the, uh, the perk 30s came in. And by the end, I was even smoking them on tinfoil. He got really bad. Yeah, it got really bad. Do you know anyone who's died of fentanyl? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I, I know so many people that have died from fentanyl. So many you're close to. Yes. I've lost a couple of my best friends, too. Tell me about it. Yeah, his name was Tyler. And this is, yeah, this is a crazy story. But, But I was living in Bel Air, like, I think during the pandemic and he did Coke. I never really had interest in uppers, so I didn't have that problem. But if you know, they put fentanyl mostly in cocaine now out here, especially in L.A.

Like, you won mine. Oh, man. But it was the typical story where I wasn't in the room when it happened, but they were doing coke in the bathroom. And then they just come brushing out. I'm like, what's going on? And they're like, yo, Tyler just won't move. He's on the floor.

And we go in. And I'm like, what are you guys doing? You know, like, they're like, just coke, just coke. And I'm like, you dumbasses, it's probably fettinol in this coke. You know what I mean? Like, they're acting like oblivious. Like, oh, it's just coke. I'm like, think, you know, think for a little bit.

And he died right there. Yeah. Like the cops didn't get to him in time to, or I guess I should say, the paramedics to administer Narcan. Does he have, are his parents alive? Yeah, his parents are alive. Do you know them? I didn't know them very well.

I've met them a couple times, but I did, they were devastated. I did see the aftermath. Devastated? Yeah. How many kids do that? To just him and another one, yeah. So they were, yeah, they were devastated. The old was he when you died?

I think he was, he was young. He was 19. Yeah. It's disgusting. It's crazy. So young has the whole world. ahead of him. He was a good kid too. Very good kid. Yeah, and, yeah, Fet and all this epidemic, it's just getting worse and worse every year. Yeah, I can't hear this shit. It's too fucking much for me.

So you've got a lot of followers on Instagram, right? Yeah, like four million. Four million. Okay. So that's legit famous. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially in your little thing. Yeah, yeah, I like to put, I have a cult fan base, very grateful, you know, to, you know. What size stadium? How many people could, if you put on social media right now, hey, I'm playing at this thing, it's free, come out tomorrow night. How many people would show?

Free, like thousands. Yeah, thousands. Like 2,000 people probably. Really? Yeah, especially it's free. yeah, they'll show up. Yeah. That's magnificent.

Yeah, I'm just very grateful for, you know, because with the, with the music career, I had to, when I got sober, like, when I knew I had to get sober, I had to take that whole year off of posting on social media, making music and stuff. So I was very grateful for my fans for waiting or the ones. I lost a lot of them from that. But like, I was very grateful that I still had a fan base. After a year of just hiatus, nobody hearing from me. People thought I died, honestly, when I first came back. Yeah, and I just came back stronger. And, yeah, shout out to the fans, man.

Was there, did these fans or anybody on social media have any impact on your decision to get sober? Yeah, 100% because what I will say about that is I throughout, and this has been going on since the first day I was a rapper. right now, where if I go on social media and just check, like, my request DMs that where people aren't following me and whatnot, I, every day I at least get, like, a hundred messages saying, like, my music helped them do a dark time or when they were suicidal or just very positive, uplifting stuff. And a lot of that, before I got sober, I had to read that with this kind of guilt, like, because they thought I was sober at the time and I wasn't. But now when

read it, it feels beautiful because it's, it helps me, you know what I mean, like keep being sober, I feel like. It's amazing. Yeah, they're amazing people out there. Have you ever been afraid that maybe being so open about your drug addiction and your recovery that maybe that's going to, that you're going to be identified with that more than your music? That's a good question. Um, I I think, well, when you look at it like my name, that's the first problem is like it's Lil Zan. You know what I mean? So that was my problem.

I didn't want to always be the Lil Xanax guy promoting drugs, and people have already accused my name of just in itself glorifying drugs. You know what I mean? Because my whole movement is anti-drug movement. That's what I'm trying to promote. And it is a little wishy-washy with that name, little man. No, it isn't. It's beautiful because.

And that's why I can. Kept it, yeah. It shows, it shows your path. And that's why I didn't want to, yeah. Don't change it. Yeah. And that's why we didn't. Yeah, that's why we didn't. Because there was times we thought, oh, this, but it is me. It's the battles I've been through. It's the ups, the downs, the ugly. So that's why we kept it. Yeah. I need to know Yes About the hot Cheetos Oh my God The Hot Cheetos

I love that story I think you know what Shout out the Hot Cheetos Because I No seriously Shout out shout out Shout out to Hot Cheetos Yeah yeah

Oh yeah Do that Actually fun the story I met the owner of Hot Cheetos Do that whole debacle You met Cheeto Yeah Cheeto

Yeah That's awesome Yeah man He's a cool guy But What happened with that It's such a funny story And I think it made me more relevant, honestly, back then at least.

But we, I like hot Cheetos. I had a couple bags. And then I went to throw up because I probably eaten the couple bags. It was upsetting my stomach. And I threw up like just a little bit of blood. Like it could have been Cheeto dust for all I know. It was the hot cheetah. You know what I mean?

So I don't know. So this is the funny part. It's not that big of a deal. Okay. But I go to the hospital because I have a tour the next day. So we want to be. make sure we're good. They're like, yeah, you're fine.

Everything's good. Go back. But there was paparazzi that saw me, like, leaving the hospital. And I had posted, yo, I just ate too many hot Cheetos the night before. We're all good. Tours still going on tomorrow. And then while we're at the airport, nothing of it. We get, like, this big blog post feed pop up on our phone.

And it's like, little Zan ODs on hot Cheetos. And I'm like, what? OD on hot Cheetos because I never used the word overdose. And then boom, TMZ just takes it, takes it. Every major, like, blog and an article and all just taking overdose, overdose, overdose. And then I just ran with it at that point because I was like, if this is that crazy for you guys. And then, yeah, we just ran with it. And then, oh my God, that year was crazy.

Every time I'd leave a show, TMZ would be outside with a bag of hot Cheetos. That's funny. Yeah. Let me ask you a question, though. Yeah. How many Zannies were you on that? day? Oh, probably 10. Yeah, probably 10. Maybe. Yeah. It was a zany thing. Yes. And not a Cheeto thing. Exactly. But I just assumed, yeah, because of it, oh, yeah, it was definitely could have been, yeah, something messed up my stomach. All the amphetamine or whatever. All the zanis. All the zanis, yeah. Taking the zanny bars. Yeah, yeah, that's what it was. The zanny bars. Okay. Okay. This is sacrilegious. Yeah, I love it. Okay. How, what, I don't even have the words. In my age group, there's really only two rappers. Only two. Tupac and Biggie.

Legends. And then it goes to, you know, Andre 3000 came out. Yeah, I love Andre. He was dope. First guys I ever listened to was run DMC. For me, it was like Tribe Call Quest, De La Sol, Bigel. Excellent. What did you say about? Oh, the Tupac. Yeah. You said he was boring. Oh, I might have said he was boring.

But you understand that when you hear this man's voice. Yeah. Like, his voice is so cool. Yeah. When he started singing, chicks just dropped their pants. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I'm glad you brought that up because I've talked about what happened with that before. So, yeah, I love to talk about this.

I was, that interview, you know, I'll say how it happened. I was a diva at the time. It was like Prime, Lil Zan, you know, I felt like a rock. You said you were a diva? I was a diva. Dude, I love you. Yeah, I love you too. Because it's important to know the room.

Yeah, I was, that was, I've matured a lot since then. I was, you know, a diva. I was still on drugs, Xanax. And they had to wake me up at like 5 a.m. to go get to this. So I'm already in a bad mood. You know, I already don't want to do the interview. They asked me a bunch of questions before the Tupac one. And I was just kind of giving half-assed answers.

Like, I was being rude. I didn't want to be there. And then the Tupac one comes up. And honest to God, they could have asked me, oh, what do you think about our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ on a scale of one to ten? I still would have probably just too boring. But it was Tupac that said it. So it wasn't anything against Tupac.

Because I grew up, like I told you, loving all aspects. aspects and genres of music and old school hip hop was one of them you know what i mean like my two box song is i get around with the digital underground love that record oh my god yeah that's such a good record you know what i mean the fun record so you know it hurt because like i am a true lover of music in all forms so i mean i was getting thousands of death threats from that all types of stuff well that's a little that's oh that's that's computer courage yeah yeah yeah let me ask you a question yeah you ever get depressed or anxious Oh, yeah, all the time.

I think bad, I think that's the main thing being sober is, is for me battling, you know, mental health issues and stuff. I think right now I'm in a very happy place due to good people around me, good support group. But, you know, I do go through, I'm human like everybody else. There's definitely moments a few months ago. I was kind of going a little depressed, not doing, drugs or anything, but just slipping under, you know, but I feel like I've learned over the last

10 years kind of how to self, just pick myself back up. All right, let's talk about that. Yeah. Okay. Sometimes I get depressed and I get anxious. Yeah. And I know how I get through that. Mm-hmm.

Okay. The way I get through it is when I get scared, I run right through it. I mean, I don't walk through it. I don't lean into it. I just run right through it because I don't ever want to feel like a coward. Yeah. That's the worst feeling in the world to me. Yeah, that's a horrible feeling.

So I get afraid all the time. It's completely normal. But the way I deal with it is, I just run through it. Just face it on. I have to. Yeah. How do you do it? See, how you deal with it?

with it is where I want to be like sometime this year. I want to be able to just face a problem head on. Excellent. How are you going to get there this year? What's your plan? Man, that's a good one. That's the only question. Yeah. My plan probably, well, I'm very fortunate to have a lot of great, you know, like I said, people. No, bro. Come on. What's the plan? A plan. You want it. You want to exercise. I want to start going to the gym every day.

I want to leave the house more. I want to leave the house a lot more. I just want to be a part of more social activities, I guess. I already am a part of a lot, obviously due to my job. But that's like my job. Can I help you out with this? Of course, yes, of course. I'm always looking for people with knowledge and insight that,

Yes, I'm always looking for help. Do you have a therapist? I do have a therapist. When was the last time you saw a therapist? Last month, last month. Okay, then that's not a therapist. I'm the finest drug and alcohol treatment facility in the world. Yeah.

Some people think, you know, I'm the expert in this field. Okay. I see my therapist three times a week. Yeah, that's how it's supposed to be. Today. Yeah. As we sit here today, okay, with all I've done, got going on. I still see my therapist three times a week. And there's a reason for it. It's not

something I have to do. It's something I get to do. It is the ultimate luxury. It is how responsible people deal with their stressors. Because here's the thing. If your stress is here, your support, your therapy must always be ahead or greater than your stressors. Because, now you're safe. Now you're safe. Okay? Yeah. Otherwise, what happens is you start creating wreckage.

Mm-hmm. And you become uncomfortable. And you and I don't do uncomfortable. Oh, yeah. Okay? If we're uncomfortable for long enough, okay, we have to drink and use. We have to. That's how you and I are wired.

Yeah, I agree. Okay. You need a therapist three times a week, man. If you want to get to where you want to get to where you want to get to and you want to blow up, okay, and you want to live

your best life, that's the way to do it. Yeah, I'm definitely going to get it. I still think it's beautiful that you're going to wake up every morning and meet your body. Yeah.

Okay. But I know I agree fully. Like, even my own family has told me to like just get like an actual thing. Like I had one,

but I get like a real one where you meet three times. And grab a man. Don't grab a woman. Yeah, yeah. Okay. You need a,

you need a, you, You need a man to teach you certain things and to walk through life with. Yeah. Okay. It's really important, man. And anybody who thinks that's weak, they're weak. Exactly.

I agree. Because they don't know better. Yeah. No, this is powerful. This is powerful. Like, really powerful. Cool. I appreciate that.

You got any questions from me? Damn. Any questions? No questions. just gratitude, great. Well, that's cool, bro. Nobody wants to hear from me. They're here for you today.

Yeah. Man, I am so grateful that you came here today to share your experience. Anyhow, you've come out the other side. Just beautifully, man. I am so grateful to you. Thank you so much. Likewise. Very grateful and blessed to be on.

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