Werewolf Ambulance: A Horror Movie Comedy Podcast - Episode 239- Behind the Mask: The Rise of Leslie Vernon (2006)

Episode Date: July 29, 2019

This week we're shocked by just how distressing a horror movie meta-mockumentary film can be when we discuss "Behind the Mask- The Rise of Leslie Vernon" from 2006. Special topics for your consideration include: cameos appearances from some horror greats, post-credits sequences that actually work, linguistics lessons in our "Mailbag!" segment, horror tricks of the trade and some information about bees that will never, ever leave your brain. Sorry about that! Want to hear some more about meta horror films? Check out Episode 44- "Scream," Episode 126- "Cabin in the Woods," Episode 182- "Final Girls" and Episode 228- "Scre4m." Also, we need some help from you-- a lot of you have suggested we do a YouTube episode, but we really don't think you want to sit and watch us discuss a dumb movie for 45 minutes. What would you like to see? Let us know at facebook.com/werewolfambulance, on Twitter @werebulance or on Instagram @werewolfambulance. You can also email us at [e-mail]. Werewolf Ambulance is a horror movie comedy podcast. 

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Gotcha. We're here to talk about Behind the Mask, the rise of Leslie Vernon. I had never heard of this movie before you told me about it. How did you hear about it? Let's see, I'm hearkening back to 2006. I think I was probably reading like Rue Morga magazine or something and they did like a write-up on it or something. And this had a theatrical release? I think limited would be a polite way of saying it. Yeah, yeah, I don't think it had a big theatrical release but uh, I remember watching it on DVD from Netflix. Oh, okay. Yeah. According to Wikipedia,

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and having Robert Englund as Dr. Lumas, basically the Dr. Luma's character from from Halloween. Yeah. And Kane hotter like shows up as just like an angry neighbor earlier on in the movie. That's who that is. Okay and Zelda Rubinstein. Look them so old. She looks so rough. Pittsburgh's own. Yeah. This has has has clean. Yeah. This has has. Yeah. Yeah. This house. Yeah. He knows. He's run up his ass. I got to go down there and clean out of KK's. It's. It's back. It's. Yeah. Yeah. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It. It. It. He knows, he knows his, he knows his, he knows his, run up his ass. I gotta go down there and clean out a Kekas, I'll be back a little bit. And no, K'kos. So yeah, it's got just like these, like, you know, wonderful stars of like the genre that we love and, um, it's super meta without being sarcastic or like, the whole thing Yeah, and without belittling it in any way, yeah, yeah. Like I love the whole, so the whole thing is that he's training up to become a supernatural serial killer.

His backstory is that he killed his mother and stepfather or something and then the neighbor, the townspeople came and took him and threw him into the water. And that was the end of him. No one tho one no tho one no tho tho tho tho tho thin no tho thin no thin no thi no thi no thi. No one, no thi, no thi, no thi, no thi, no one, no one, no one, no one, no one, throw, thi, throw, throw, throw, throw, tho-a, tho-a, th. th. th. the, the, the, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thrown, thrown, theeeeeean, thrown, throwneeeeeeeeeeeeean, throwne, throwne, thin, thin, And that was the end of him. No one ever found his body though, right? So that's his like supernatural backstory. Right. And then we learn later that it is not his backstory. And what is his backstory? That he's just like a lunatic from an asylum somewhere who's wanted to do this the whole time. Yeah. But I, and like he has befriended uh, Eugene, who is Scott Wilson, fans of The Walking Dead, will know him. I felt like I knew him, but I didn't know from what, and it's not that. Yeah, he's been in a ton of stuff, but I think that's his most known thing at this point. He, Scott Wilson's character is a retired supernatural serial game.

And later on in the movie, it's kind of revealed that his wife is his final girl. Yeah, which is like happening simultaneously to like tailor our entry into the movie, the documentary filmmaker, like getting very close with Leslie. Yeah. Like you think they're gonna fuck. Yeah. It's distressing. For sure. But also Jamie and Eugene seem very happy. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, they're like super loving. Yeah. Very supportive. She's able to like talk him down from his rages and stuff. Yeah. It's also very bleak.

Marrying the person who tried to kill you. And probably killed all your friends. Yeah. For sure. A hundred percent killed. Yeah, like your librarian friend. Have you ever seen the French mockumentary Man Bites Dog? No, I have not.

I feel like this movie owes a lot to that movie because Man Bites Dog is basically a documentary film crew following a serial killer. Okay. And he's like yeah, you can see whatever I see. And they eventually become complicit in his crimes. Yeah. And it gets, like, it starts off and you're like, oh, this is funny and gross. Oh. Not a comedy.

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like jumping up and down and celebrating with him and you're like, where, how quick did you switch? I think that's why I don't remember this movie as being a comedy because there is this strong thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th. th. th. thi, th. thi, thi, th. th. thi, th. thi, th. th. th. th. th, th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, thi, being a comedy because there is this strong twisted morality to it. Sure. That makes it very dark. Extremely dark. But then it's offset by these lines like where she's asking about his childhood house and she's like, oh, do you own this? And he's like, well, it's in a trust.

Oh, the good. Or it's like you can still hear my mother's body swinging in the trees. And then he's like, oh, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. It's not tonight. It's another night. It's so funny. He is charming in a young Billy Bob Thornton way.

Yes, and he has not worked since this movie. He's like, thrown. Yeah, I was like, and that's it. It's crazy because the camera loves him, as we like to say in Hollywood. As our industry says, yeah, that's an industry term. But he's just like, he's super charming and you're like, you want to hear what he's going to say next. And like, he's this is the least believable news lady ever. It's like, she's just like a college kid, never mind, I'm sorry.

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So we're following him through his training and there's these really great, I thought they are really great, really funny scenes of him being like, you don't understand how much cardio is involved doing this. Like, I have to be here and then over there and not look winded when I'm over there. And like do the thing where they're running and you're walking but somehow you catch them. I liked liked that a lot. And he does like little like flips and shit throughout the movie. Then I'm like, oh, this dude is actually super agile. He is very nimble.

And he talks about making yourself look dead with like, you're slowing down your heartbeat and breathing. I like that a lot. When they go to visit Eugene, he's buried himself good movie. Yeah, there's just like these little, like, I think what I really love, like, the humor, it's not Diggs at the genre. It's like, this is silly that this stuff happens, but it's like, this is what you'd have to, like, Michael Myers would have to be insanely fit. Right, and how did he get that fit?

He was just in an as a as an as an as. Right. And the comedy isn't about like making jokes that we know things about horror movies that you don't know. It's not like, doesn't have that superiority complex. It's just like, we all love this shit and it's so dumb. And I really appreciate that. But I also love that like some that some some some some some some some insane amount of cardio. Do you believe that's happening? Right.

While we're watching this documentary be made, we're also seeing like what Leslie, the group of people that he's going after, right? So there's this girl Kelly who is supposed to be his final girl, or so you think. And then she has like a dumb boyfriend, and then her friend is hooking up with this guy or whatever, it's like the whole horror movie cast. The two stoner guys. Yes, at a party. And then before, this is the part I really like, and it's very clue. Before it happens, he like walks them through exactly how he's gonna do it. And I like that a lot. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. But, what's going to happen. And then when she realized, so there's a twist. Yes. We'll get to the twist now. The twist is that Taylor is his, what they don't call her survivor girl. Yeah, which I wondered why they didn't just say final girl. I wonder if there was like a copyright problem or something. Yeah, and maybe they just wanted that she do the steps along the way that he had laid out for her. And he does it. She falls directly into his trap.

But I loved her just having that realization, like, fuck. And then the kind of dumb girl was like, oh, you're the fucking survivor girl. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the dumb girl still goes and gets killed in the exact way she was th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, the the thi. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. And, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. theeeu theu teu teu. teu. th. theu. theu. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th., yeah, yeah. And the dumb girl still goes and gets killed in the exact way she was supposed to, you know? It's like, shockingly, shockingly well planned out. Yeah. Also, excellent use of, a reuse of footage. There's like, because he lays out all the kills

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So he lays out all the steps, like step one, he needs to find an anchor for his legend. Right. Which is the house. Right. Step two, he needs to find the target group, which is these teens. High school kids. Yeah. All wearing Letterman's jackets. And Kelly is very studious. So he determines that he's going to kill her friend, the librarian, because it's not like

a close friend, but it's something that will upset her and send her down this man. Right, after she finds a newspaper clipping where he has put her face on a man's head to make it look like her great uncle was his father, I guess. And swapped out a role of microfiche to have this story in the microfeas of the library. It's so good. I love that he's jumping over a library book racks to get to things. Yes, I loved those scenes. I loved tha the scenes. I the scenes. I tha thah thine tho thine tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho thus thus thus thus thus thus thus. tho tho tho tho tho the. thi. thus. tho tho th-a. th-a th-a, I thu-a, I thu-a, I th. tho-a tho-a tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho th. th. tho thu. tho tho tho thus thus. thus. thus. thus, I'll thus. thus. the. thooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I loved all the scenes where they showed him like how he like behind the scenes of how a supernatural killer does it.

And he's just, he's joyous in doing it. Yeah. Which is also profoundly disturbing. But you're like almost rooting for him a little bit because he's your point of view character. For sure. Yeah. What did you think of his mask? What did you think of his mask? What did you think of his mask? He just looks like an old emoji. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It. It, it. It, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, th, th, th, th, th, th, th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th tho-a, thi thi, thi's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th th thi, thi, thi, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thiuuuu thu thu thiu thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thought it was lame. What did you think of his mask? This looks like an old emoji. Yeah, it was pretty duke. It looked like something you would get at the Kexburg Fair for the UFO Festival. I understood some of those words. Some people understood them. Google Kexburg. It's this this big, round big round like smiley face. Yeah. It's sort of like a

Chelsea, yeah it has like a Chelsea frown to it. Yeah. And then like brown like wavy hair glued onto it. And a very bulbous forehead like a weird alien. Yeah, it's bad. And he is like wearing black makeup around his eyes to make it look like he has like pits for eyes, but also his eyes are just like glittering in there. It's very bad. But I liked it too because like a hockey mask and and your inside out William Shatner mask you're not going to have good vision. Right. You're not going to be able to see it but his mask like there's six inches around his eyes. Extremely practical, yeah. Oh, it's really funny. So the problem with the plan, or maybe this was the plan all along,

was that Taylor like goes off script and goes to talk to Kelly and runs into Robert England, who is Doc Holleran, who, who Leslie has told her that he was a psychiatrist. But he's not, or he is, but he's not, he is, he is, okay. And he tells her that Leslie is actually Leslie Mancuso. Not Leslie Vernon. Leslie, yeah. From Reno, Nevada.

Yes, not from this town. Yeah. I really like the scene where they go outside after talking to Dr. Hollerin. And Leslie confronts them. I, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, they go outside after talking to Dr. Hollerin and Leslie confronts them. I like that like, okay, we're gonna have that conversation and she's like, yeah, I thought, and he goes, okay, that's your side of it. And then just lays into her like, oh, he's kind of scary. Yeah, that's when them, I feel like there's a big flip that happens there because you of a sudden you're not laughing. Yeah. I thought that was a really good like shift in tone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then they flip it right back because a few minutes later she's right back in and they're like singing in the van or something which is it's so weird. I love the description of the closet. Like the womb thing? Yeah, it's the sacred place. And she says does that that mean your pro-? And he just like looks distressed.

But then brings it up again later that he's pro-life. Yeah, yeah, he does. But there's this whole thing where like, she has to find the largest weapon that she can have to attack him. And it's got to be like a hard, solid, long weapon. Because it's his member that she's attacking him with. And then he talks about how like she has to go through this one arch opening and then through this field where there's a path because it's very yonic and it's very vaginal. Right, the birth canal. It was all very silly and just like, oh man. And it's like, I can't remember who says it, but shethere's like, she's empowering herself with cock? Yeah, right?

But he believes it. He does. Yeah. Or does he? I don't know. Yeah. Like how much? I mean, obviously he's all the way in.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's planned all of this and then some. Yes. we see and then everything else, yeah. I love the night of the murders when he's getting ready to do it and she's talking to him about and he starts crying because he's so happy. Yeah, and she like comforts him. Yeah, it's fucked. It's it's incredibly fucked because he's about to, as far as she knows, he's about to kill like six high school students. Yeah, like everyone else's moral barometer would have gone off a month ago? Why didn't hers? I don't know because then she's like all of a sudden I'm a good person.

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So any male bee you see buzzing around as a virgin, lull fucking losers. What a weird evolutionary thing though, they can only blow their load once? Yeah. That doesn't make any sense. I mean, Katie, I am 100% basing this on a tweet. Yeah. Should we ask Google? Yes, because I want to see how you phrase this question.

Google. How many times can a male bee ejaculate? Oh, come on, don't make me look at it. I wish Google had said just once, lull fucking losers. Loseers. Wow, the ejaculation is so powerful that it ruptures, yeah. I feel like I should apologize. This is like a really graphic description.

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Everyone's so mad right now. They're like I didn't sign up for this. I didn't. I came to hear about movies. We did get a message from a friend of the podcast who said they basically think of this podcast as Alan giggles at things Katie says. Oh God. You're very funny. No, thank you. Thank you. It's the problem is I can only tell one joke and then my penis falls off. So, oh my god. That was a good joke though. What if the sound of your, that was the sound of your penis. Oh my god, call the police.

So he kills the jock and the cheerleader. Yes. And that's when Todd, the one cameraman, suddenly realizes everything's real. Yeah. He starts bugging out. And he runs off, like, as the decoy. Right. And this is when the movie, I think this is when the movie, they put down the documentary film cameras and we switch to now we're in the serial killer movie.

Yes, and it happens really seamlessly. I wanted to mention that thatthat it's like, you don't realize, because I kind of hate mockumentaries when it's a real shaky cam or like found footage that makes me feel a little bit sick. It wasn't too bad in this one. But you don't even really notice that like, theymea. that, the than't, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, the, that, the, because, because, because, because, because, like, because, because, like, because, because, because, like, because, because, because, like, because, because, because, like, the, because, like, like, like, because, because, because, because, because, like, because, because, like, because, like, because, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, the, the, the, the, the, th.. th. th. th. th. th. the. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. change, which I think is really good. In like the stock changes for the film, like the quality. Right.

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It was free on Amazon. Okay. So that'll hopefully boost its profile a little bit too. Yeah, so it's out really worth your time. Yeah, for sure. So they keep going on, and there's like these two dumb stoner dudes that get killed in like very stoner dude fashion. And you care nothing for these people. You don't even learn their names.

I think they are literally credited as stoner guy one and stoned guy. I like that. Yes. I like that because which is which. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. I think slightly more stone guy has the dialogue. Okay, okay, that's fair. This is where I have the note, Kelly is a giant. She's a giant.

She was reminding me of a coach's daughter from Friday Night Lights. She's also a giant? Yeah. I wonder what it's like to be a giant. That's pretty all right. That's a six foot too, dude. Yeah. Pretty giant. Yeah.

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And he goes, somebody's going to get hurt. And then she muses his head in it. She does. She really does. This is after Doc Holleran's been killed. Or you think he's been killed. Exactly. Yeah. And the same with the one of the cameraman. Because when he popped back up, I was like,

didn't, aren't you dead? I thought, like, why does he live? I don't know. I feel like that's always like that one guy that helps the main person out of the situation But not the boyfriend the boyfriend's got to go. It's true, you know Yeah, she can't be happy at the end. It's true But was he the boyfriend or was he just into her? I can't remember they were pretty huggy at the end there. That's true, but they must not have been too serious because he's he didn't he he he he he he he he he he he the he he the he he he the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi thr- thr- tho. tho. thr- thr- tho th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th th th th th th th th's th th th th's the. the the the the the the to the to to the the the the the the the the thro the thro the thro the It's literally the only thing you can think about. Yeah, I'm sorry I'm done. I'm ruined. The rest of this episode I'm gonna be half thinking about the movie so. Dear diary. Don't expect too much for me. She like yes she gets him into the cider press, smushes his head relatively easily. Douses the house with a gasoline, lights it on fire.

And as I wrote, has really weird posture. She's like hunting really weird. I guess she's supposed to be like the weight of the world on her shoulders. Oh, interesting. Okay. Yeah. So then we find out that Doug and Doc Hollerine have also lived. The end. The end. Or? Or?

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Oh spoilers for that movie in case you haven't seen it. Yeah. I blocked out a lot of that movie because it was very rough. Very mean it was a hard watch. Yeah. Here's something interesting though. When I was on the Wikipedia page, I clicked on, um, and the cast, Scott Wilson is credited as Eugene slash Billy. Yeah. And when you click on that, it takes you to the Wikipedia page for Black Christmas. I think he is supposed to be the killer from Black Christmas. Oh. Which would make Jamie, Olivia Hussey???.. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I was, I was, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when thi, when I was, when I was, when I was, when. When. When. When. When. When, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when. When. When, when. When, when. When, I was thi, I was thi, I was thi, I was thi, I was thi, I was thi, I was thi, I was thi, I was thi, I was thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. supposed to be the killer from Black Christmas.

Which would make Jamie Olivia Hussey, I guess. Okay, I don't know. Weird. It is weird. And Billy's phone voice was Nick Mancuso. So I guess that's maybe where that comes from. Yeah. Interesting. So does that mean he's supposed to be that guy's son?

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know, because we don't really learn anything about Eugene's killing spree. No. But I guess he's the black Christmas guy. Other than he's really good at dicing carrots. Yeah, that. No, you just need to juice them. Yeah. So yeah, the end credit scene is like a talking head talking about the murders with surveillance

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Oh, God. Yeah, I'm there already. Every time you see a bee now, you're just be like, I'm so sorry, dog. Do you think they know it's going to happen? Do they watch it happen to their friends and they're like well that's my fate. Do bees have like existential crises where they're like I can keep a living or I can fuck? Do you think the ones that don't connect you're like thank God? Just die of old age. I'm not doing that again. Yeah or just like if

you're fucking Russian roulette be impotentent. You're like, thank you. I do want to state for the record that if you're a virgin, it's 100% fun. Fine, oh my gosh, yeah. I just thought it was funny that the whole fucking loser thing. Yeah. I just, I love it when people are unnecessarily rude. Right, joking. Yeah. to put for the record, do what you like. Do what you like? Be who you want. Don't do what you like.

Katie. Alan. Bizz whizzed. Oh my god, you did it again. Yes, ticks in your eyes. Go for it. You go first. Uh, I really like this movie.

And like you said, I'm a little bummed that more people don't know about it, or whatever it is. I think of meta horror, this is one of the best. Eight and a half. Wow! I agree with you that as far as meta horror goes, like I understand why the meta horror and scream irritates you, though I find it kind of charming. And less after the last time we watched. Sure, but then Skraform? Yes. Screform did everything that was wrong. And this did everything right in terms of being meta, and just like like the the the the th after th after th after th, th, th, th, th and th, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thiiiiiiiii, thiaaa. thiaa. thi, thi, thi, thi, th this did everything right in terms of being meta and just like being so self-referential but so loving. Yeah, for sure. And I think that really does mask, you're right that the comedy does really mask like the moral horrors of this film and how upsetting it is.

I'm gonna give it an eight. I loved it. I loved it. And it was really fun for a movie about Possibly falling in love with a serial killer and then having to start finding out that you are their survivor girl. Also, if you're going into it knowing they're a serial killer. Right, just like planning on a serial kill. Yeah. And like how did they ever think that was going to work out with not having to turn the footage over to the police police. the police the police the police the police the police the police the police the police the police the police the police the police the police the police the police the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their a their a their their a their a serial killer their a their a their a their a their a their a their a their a their their their their their a their a their a their a their a their a their a their a their a their a their their. their. their. their. their. their.o.o.o.o.o.o. If.o. If. If. If. If. If.o. So. So. So. So. So, their.o. So, their.o.o. So. So, te. So, te. So. So, their. So, their. So, their. So, how did they ever think that was going to work out with not having to turn the footage over to the police? I don't know.

I don't know. Yeah, they're essentially making this to reveal to the world. Yeah, it's behind the mask. Yeah. Anyway, that's a similar thing to that Man Bites Dog movie. bite's dog movie, which I don't know if I can recommend because it is real fucked up, but it's interesting. I feel like that's like a film student movie. Sure. People who take film glass have to watch that movie. It sounds like it. I think it's a criterion release at some point. I don't know what that means. You know I don't know.

It's fancy. So we don't really have a mail bag for this week, but we do really appreciate all of you who've reached out to let us know how much better we are than my favorite murder. A lot of your stories are very personal, and we appreciate them and don't wanna share them here. But I didn't know just how shitty my favorite murder. I thought I was being flippant. Yeah. But it really is offensive to people and really does hurt people. So, you know what, go fuck yourselves, my favorite murder. We're still here.

We're still punching up. Can I read a tweet to you? I'd love you to. If it's about bee-dicks, though, yes, I'd love to hear it. It's from Cat Hates Nazis on the Twitter. Yeah. And I reference it last week I'd that that that that that that that that that to th th to th th th th th th th th th th th that that that that that that that that that to that thate to thate thate that that that. that that that that th. th. th. th. the the the the the that their their that. that. that that that th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thathea thathea that. that. that. that. that. that. that. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to theat theat that that that that that tweet. Things werel-famulance has made me do. Sit in the middle of a mall and mumble, but-hole, repeatedly to myself to figure out if I pronounce, how I pronounce it. Is this the new Don, Don, Don? The new what, now?

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You even have to move your tongue to say, Buhl. Dawn. Which one was that? Dawn. I feel like... We might be done. Katie. Alan. I ask you this question every week. Yeah. Because you always want me to be the one to remember. And every week you say yes.

Do you want to do another movie? Yeah. Oh, good. What should we do? What should we do? What do we do? Now you remember? Let's do something. I know you love an actor in this movie. Tell me, tell me, tell me. Uh, he already owns the pyramid that he'll be buried under.

What, to think? Is it with the declaration of independence? They are related. He had to sell the dinosaur bones and to pay taxes. Well, you gotta pay taxes, buddies. He was worried about bees. Are we gonna redo the Wickerman? No. We're doing something even crazier than the Wickerman.

What is it? Mandy. Mandy. I have. And you said it was bananas. It's fucking crazy go nuts. I can't wait to watch it. I can't wait for you all to join us next week. I'm sorry. You were going to say something and I just... Well, I was going to say it's on shutter. Okay. Oh wait, do we want to ask them about the YouTube stuff? Oh yeah, we should ask them. Yeah. to the to ask them? the to to to to to the to to to to to the to to the the to to to to to to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to watch to to to watch to to to to to to to to to to to to watch to to to to to watch to to watch to to to watch to watch to to to watch to to watch to to to watch to to to watch to to to to watch to to watch the the the the the the the the the the to watch the the the to-s. the to-s. the to-s. to-s. to-s. to-s. to-s. to saying first. Oh yeah. Mandy is on Shutter. Yeah.

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would be boring. What should we do? What do you want us to talk about? Yeah so what would you like to see us do in a YouTube show? We're thinking it'll probably be shorter than a standard episode? Oh yeah? Oh? Oh? Oh? Oh? Oh? Oh? Oh? Oh? Oh? Oh? Oh? Oh? Oh? Oh? Oh? Oh? Oh? Oh? Oh? Oh? Oh? Oh? th. th. Oh? th. Oh? th. th. th. thi? thi? thi? thi? We's? We're? We're? We're? We're? We's? We're th. We're th. We're to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. th. th. th. th. th. We th. th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We're thi? We don't thi? We don't thi? We don't thi thi thi thi the. We don't thi thi thi to thi to to thi to thi thi thi? I don't know like we're going to review cereal. So are we going to... Yeah I don't know. I don't know if there's stuff that you think we should talk about, think we should do, keep it PG or gee. Oh my god, please. And I guess we could just talk about the anatomy of insects. Yeah, or we can get, we can do Boy Street auditions if we ever get them. I'm not doing those. I can't be involved in it. This is your project.

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But-hole? Thanks for listening to another episode of World Ambulas. Is that really what she wanted me to say? Bye. I didn't want you to say but-hole. Bye. Bye. Bye. By. By. By God. I said it. you know