Werewolf Ambulance: A Horror Movie Comedy Podcast - Episode 268- The Love Witch (2016)

Episode Date: February 17, 2020

In this week's episode, the third in our ~*~month of love~*~, we're discussing the 2016 film "The Love Witch." Special topics for your consideration include: a lot of discussion about the messages of this film, questioning the possibility of satire, the raw deal that Trish got, having friends in the Ren Faire: a relationship deal breaker?, the exhaustion that must come along with being in a coven and some horse-based fundraising ideas.  Into witches? Check out our other episodes on witchy films: Episode 15- "The Blair Witch Project," Episode 23- "Suspiria (the original)," Episode 33- "The Craft," Episode 73- "The Witch," Episode 232- "Suspiria (the new one)," Episode 234- "The Woods" and Episode 252- "Hocus Pocus." Man, witches are dope, we sure do talk about witches a lot! And if you just can't get enough of us, you can get our faces printed on a t-shirt, throw pillow and more at www.teepublic.com/user/werewolfambulance. If our faces aren't doing it for you, may we suggest Brian from "Wings"?? Have you seen this one? What did you think? Let us know your thoughts at facebook.com/werewolfambulance, on Twitter @werebulance or on Instagram @werewolfambulance. You can also email us for our segment "MAILBAG!" at [e-mail] and if you're feeling super generous, leave us a rating and a review on Apple podcasts or wherever you can. Or hey, just tell a friend about us. Thank you for helping us continue to grow.  Werewolf Ambulance is a horror movie comedy podcast. 

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But I want to let you know that if we disagree on something, I'd like to hear it. Okay. Yeah. There are some places where I feel that I will definitely be pulling back because it is not my place. And there are places that I will be pulling back because I'm afraid of alienating people. So this episode of Punch is Pulled. Did you have any idea what you were getting into with the film The Love Witch? 2016's the Lovewit. So I had

heard very mixed reviews I'd heard this movie's awful. This movie is this fantastic feminist horror movie that is dismantling and reassembling Gialo and 70s Satanic Erotic Horror Movies. Yeah. Which if you know anything about me, I love 70s Satanic Erotic Horror Movies. See also the episode we did on Alu Karta. Sure. All the colors of the dark, which we have never done, and I would think that you would punch me in the gullet if we did it. It's a hela boring and soot's rapy. Oh yes please just like this one just like this one just kidding. But I uh yeah I mean which is definitely one of the movies if this movie is Aping. Okay gotcha and that style so yeah so I was like, this might be fun, love witch, month of love. It's right there in the fucking name.

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think that's the good. It's beautiful to look at. Yeah. I love that Victorian tea room for reasons I can't even describe but I love it. I love her apartment. I love her eyeliner. She is just to look at very appealing. Sure. And a lot of this movie I is that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the the that's the that's the the the the the the the the the the the to be the bad. I want to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. I's the. I's the. I theate. I want. I want. I want. I want. I want. I want the the the the. I want. I want. I want. I want the the the. I want the th She is just to look at very appealing. Sure. And a lot of this movie is just looking at her face. So yeah. I like her all red motif at the beginning and I wish that red looked good on me. It does not. No. Washes me out. Oh yeah, yeah. Makes me look pink. Yeah, I'm too yellow for it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm too yellow for it. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So no red for us. But okay, so let's talk about the timing thing. Okay, like the the periodness of it? Because she has a very 60s mod look about her. Sure, and as, I mean, Trish has a very, her friend Trish has a very 60s look,

like, she's wearing the tightest polyester pants I've ever seen in the first scene. She has a 2016 booty in like 1960s pants which didn't coincide like not looking right squats were not that big of a thing right and that's not like I'm not judging bodies or anything it's just like the pants she's got a good butt Okay, treading lightly. It's not anti-feminist to say that a woman who's clearly squatting has a good butt, in my opinion. Okay. And I speak for us all. And all the dudes are very like arc types of like dudes who would have been on DragNet. Yeah, that, that, the's jaw is insane. It's like giving Bruce Campbell and run for his money. So but so she is driving in like a 60s car with her 60s

outfit and her 60s hair and then as she drives into town the Marquis says this is spinal tap is the movie playing at the movie theater and I was like that movie was in 1984. What's happening here? The cop that pulls her over before she gets to town is driving like a something in the 2010's cruiser. See I didn't notice that until much later when like she's talking to the guy in the park and there's just like a Subaru Forrester behind her and I was like wait what is happening? Trish pulls up in a modern beamer. Yeah yeah. When Trish pulled out her cell phone I was like, I feel like there's, I liked that because I was like, I feel like there's so much stuff that's stranger things and all of the things of that ilk that are like, it's 1984 again, check it out. And this was like, this six-ease, fuck you. Yeah, I don't like that. It feels like,

it feels like, this movie is definitely trying to be a cultural commentary. But you can't have, in my opinion, it's difficult to have a cultural commentary on a nebulous time, a nebulous span of 60 years. Because a lot of things have changed. I think that's what made me think that this movie was just straight up satire. That it was satirizing all the movies and stuff that I mentioned earlier, and like satirizing, takes, th, takes, takes, takes, takes, takes, takes, takes, takes, takes, takes, takes, takes, takes, takes, takes, takes, takes, takes, takes, takes, takes on, takes on, satirizing all the movies and stuff that I mentioned earlier and like satirizing takes on anti-feminist ideas. Sure. About what women want out of a relationship. Sure. Or like very male-centric ideas about women want out of a relationship.

Right. It doesn't feel clever enough to me to be satire, but you could be right. Yeah, I feel like when talking with Missy about this, she said that it felt very academic. And I agree, it's like academic satire. It's kind of like, have you read this? Have you read this? Oh, oh, on some level, yeah. Which is gonna, which is gonna miss a lot of people. Right, that's not fun to be part of to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be a to be a to be a to be a to be a to be a to be a lot of people. Right, that's not fun to be part of a conversation you don't know what they're talking about, you know?

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which I strongly disagree with. I just strongly disagree with. First of all, I got to about the hour and 20 minute mark of the movie, and I had to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the th. the the the thi the the the the themp. And I the them. And I them. And I th. And I th. And I th. And I the the the the the the movie, and I the the the movie, and I the movie, and I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the same, I, I, I was, I'm, I'm, I'm just just just just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm just, and I'm all, I got to about the hour and 20 minute mark of the movie and I had to turn it off because I was I could not take watching it anymore because it was so dull. Yeah. Even like the beautiful colors and beautiful sets could not save how much I was like wishing this movie was over. It wasn't until the end that I even realized it was trying to make a feminist statement when she gives her speech at the end. I don't remember the speech. When she's like I men just wanted to use me for my body so I started using them for what I wanted. Oh sure sure sure sure and it's like when she

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that so that she can achieve this like love thing where she says like giving men sex as a way of unlocking their love potential? Which is like a line in this movie. This was another thing that I thought this movie was kind of like a condemnation of all like the woo-woo witchy stuff that's going on now. But Missy disagreed with this. She thought that it was like kind of like backing that stuff up on some level, but I mean, I think one of the only cool things in the movie, the movie, the movie, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi.aa, thiiiiiiiiiiiii.a.a. And, thii. And, thi. And, thi. And, th one of the only cool things in the movie outside of the colors and the set design is a used tampon urine filled witch bottle so I don't know maybe she's right. That line about how most men have never seen a used tampon was pretty funny. It's like who have you've been

living with? See them all the times are all over the god damn place. Everywhere. It's like I'm in the the the the the the the the th you you th you th you th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thin thin thin thin thin thin' thin' thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th. I th. I th is th is th is th is things th is th is thi thi thi thi thin' thin' thin' thin thin thin thin the stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff like like the an the an thuuuuu an thuuuuuuuuu thuuuuu thuuu thu thu thu thu thu thu times are all over the goddamn place. It's like I'm in an L7 concert. Oh God. That's actually threw her tampon into the crowd? Yeah. Yeah. He can't do that. That's assault. I thought it was one of the coolest fucking things I've ever seen. Did you like it when I'm Shannida O'Connor ripped up that picture of the Pope. Yeah, you did. Yeah, it did. Yeah, I did. Should we get into my opinions on the Pope now? No. That's, let's save that for an episode that's not on the month of love. I love it when you call the ill papa. Sorry, I'll see myself out.

Please don't leave me alone with the love witch. So she meets a friend of the person whose house she's staying is Trish. Yeah, Trish is cool. Trich is great. Yeah. They go to this Victorian tea room. Which I was like, man, I wish dudes were allowed there. It looked really cool. Why do you have to take everything?

Can't we just have any fucking things? Listen, I'm a white man in 2020. It's all mine. It's a my used tampon, my tea room. That was just cool. And I loved how everyone was dressed in there. There are like men-only saunas and smoking rooms. Yeah, but who wants to hang out with dudes? Oh, thanks. I didn't really want to go there, I just thought it looked cool.

Plus I love tiny sandwiches. See, that's a thing I don't like. Give me a big sandwich. I'm a big sandwich kind of girl, you know? Maybe that's not feminist to say I'm a big sandwich kind of girl. I'm very concerned about what is and is not feminist now. I think a hoagie is totally feminist. I mean, is it toasted?

In Pittsburgh we like to toast our hoagies. It's true. I always knew those as grinders coming up when you toast it. That's not a thing. It's called a haue. It's called a hagi. Hiaeji. So, Trish is like, Trish, and Trish, Trish, Trish, Trish, Trish, Trish, Trish, Trish, Trish, Trish, and Trish, trish, trish, trish, trish, trish, trish, trish, trish, trish, trish, true. In, true. In, true. In, we like, we like, we th, we like, we like, we like, we like, we like, we like, we like, we like, we like, we like, we like, we like, we like, we like, we like, we like, we like, we like, we like, we, we, we, we, we, we, we th. In. In. In. In. In. In. In. In. In. In, we th, we th, we th, we th, we like, we like, we like, we like, we like, we like, we like, we like, we like, we like, we like, th. In, in, in. In, in. In, in. In, in, in, in, in, in, in. In th. In th. In th. In th. In th. In th. In th. In, in, in, we like like, oh, I just want to meet a man and unlock his love potential. And Trish is like, ugh, why?

It's dumb. I got a husband, stupid. She says, why Elaine, it sounds like you've been brainwashed by the patriarchy. And I was like, oh, OK, Trish, you're cool. Yeah. Yeah. Elaine, you're deeply uncoo. Somehow Elaine turns out to be our feminist hero. Do you think... I don't know! See I think she's the villain in this piece.

Okay. Okay. Which is again why I think it's like satirical because I think she's supposed to, I mean, you're supposed to identify with the beautiful woman who's just trying to find love. See, I identify with the boring married lady who's like, you know, who's like a Pittsburgh six, Pittsburgh seven. If I had to fuck my husband all the time, every time he wants to, I'd never get anything to do it. I love Trish. Also her husband looks like a corpse.

Did you think he looks like a corpse. Did you think he looked like a corpse even before he was a corpse? When they showed him as a real corpse, I was like, not that different. Yeah, so Trish is great. We all love trish. Yeah. So Elaine is doing sex magic. Yeah.

She's part of like the sex magic witchcraft. Right. I did love when she was making her sex magic spell. She was wearing giant rubber gloves. Yeah, like she was going to wash the dishes afterwards. I can clean these fucking floors, make a fuck spell. And a smock. She had a smock on too, yeah. Well, she's also a painter. Right. Her paintings are a wretched. Right. I like to think that she can't paint paint hair and that's why all the women have dreadlocks. It's a big, thick, ropey hair. It's very strange.

Um. Looks like a 3-11 concert in there. Well, we're talking about the 90s. So, uh, Elaine finds Jerry in the park, and she's like, oh, hey. No, Jerry's her ex, she finds Duane, Wayne, Wayne. Wayne, Wayne. Yeah, who also has like a very 60s vibe about him. Sure, he's got like a hippie professor thing going on.

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I like to put them in potted plants when I have to wear them. So they scare you later? Yeah. So they scare you later? Little spiders. Uh, did you make the note when she's sitting in the park and she pulls out a PBJ that she's eating a sand? I didn't. But you know what? She's a big sandwich kind of girl too. Yeah, yeah.

I guess we're all a little Elaine. So she like seduces Wayne and gets him to take her to his house in the woods where she will cook him a dinner. Of penis shaped steaks. Yeah. I love that the steaks were dick shaped. Yeah. I'm a sucker for anything dick shaped. He's a libertine.

He's so skee. Oh yeah, yeah, 100%. And then she drugs him. With love potion, which he's into. Which is like Jimsonweed, I guess? Yeah, and it makes him elucinate and become a wimp. I guess is the whole thing. I don't understand what happens to him. So this is where it gets like, this happens multiple times in the movie where she seduces a man or uses her sex magic or whatever it is. And then when she gets the dude, he's like, oh I love you.

And she's like, you're a wimp now and I hate it. But doesn't say that, just watches them die. Yeah. Yeah. She like annoyed, goes and sits in the living room to smoke. Yeah, and just calls them all pee bombs all the time. Yeah. But why? Isn't that what she wanted? This is where I get mad. Sure.

This is one of the places I get mad. Because go ahead. Oh, I was going to say, this is my, I, this is how I justified this, is that because she is like sort of the male ideal of what a woman should want out of a relationship, to please the man, to get him to fall in love with you and make him dinner and have sex all the time, that she then flips and becomes like the masculine side of that, that there's too much love and appreciation, she gets offended by it or something. I'm trying to find like the threadets the the threads the threads threads the threads threads threads here the threads here threads here threads here the th's too much love and appreciation, she gets offended by it or something. I'm trying to find like the threads here to pull on together. I guess that maybe that's true, but like I still don't understand how that's a feminist ideal.

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the pacing is tedious. Yeah. It's days long. I mean, it's a two-hour movie. Like it's a solid two-hour. Yeah. So eventually Wayne dies by like, he just sort of stops eating and then dies?

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And then watching you be like, oh, man, it's kind of subverted the dominant paradigm. Yeah. Would you though? But I also think that the movie is doing a lot of like, hey, the campiness of it, like I which I know we're going to come down on different sides of but I I like camp when it's incidental. Yeah. I don't like it I don't like how this movie feels like it's dubbed in English. I don't like how intentionally bad the acting is. I find it distracting. Okay I think I sort of think of it like what was that movie where the girl's mom dies and she gets sucked into the horror movie?

Final girl? Yeah. So when they meet the kids in the movie, and they're so like ridiculously over the top 80 stereotypes, and that's what I kind of like this is just like extremely wooden acting by these people. Okay. And that's just sort of like, I guess I've watched enough of the movies the movies th the movie th th the movie th the the the the the the the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi, I've thi, I've thi, I've thi, I've thi, I've thi, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi.eaugh, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi,'s just sort of the like, I was, I guess I've watched enough of these movies with extreme, like beautiful people not being good actors. But it was like, okay, yeah, it makes sense. But, but, but doing it on purpose is weird to me. It feels like making it so you can't point out how bad the acting is, that's on purpose. You know what I mean? It feels like pointing out your flaws before someone else can make fun of them

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because it's not to look like a weirdo. I don't, maybe you're right. Just eating a cold hot dog in bed. I'm changing the subject. Uh, but I think it's done so poorly. because she's suffered like trauma and abuse. So there's like some kind of like recovery arc from that. But I think it's done so poorly. Right, right, right, right, for sure. Oh yeah, yeah, it's that it's trying to flip that trope of like Henry,

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And everybody who opens the bottle is like, oh, I was like, it doesn't smell a little bit like Rosemary though. Just a little bit. And she just keeps putting on clothes and taking them off. Like, a good portion of the first half of the film is just her putting clothes on and then removing them again. I've never worn stocking garters. Why on earth would you? The fact that anybody. Every time she takes off a dress they're never attached.

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Yeah, a lot of times. new peepers, big old boobs. I was like, good on you guys, get those little, little dicks. You can go do it, get out there and get naked. Yeah. Oh yeah. Fuck it. Fuck it. It seems like a lot of work to be a witch. I think we talked about this in like the original Susperia, no, probably the new Susperia. Sure. I would like to be in a co to all the meetings. It's a lot. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, it's worse than being like a in the Elk Lodge or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's just like a lot of like, ugh, there's just a, I mean, like there's got to be a Wednesday where you're like, I don't feel like getting fucking naked and a room full of people. I don't think you can just like, I'm tha tha tha tha tha tha th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I just like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the'm so tired. Can I just see you next week instead? We really need you for the sex magic? So we're gonna be doing the naked hour in the backyard by the fence, so we're gonna need you there? We're gonna be listening to blood sluggers, sex magic? We need to come down. Then we're gonna have a cocktail hour afterwards. Do you want to, are you sure you can't make? the, you the theto the town's only bar slash burlesque club. What is that? Why are they all drinking there?

Why? And then they're going to insert their own dancers, the two weird like sisters? What was their point? I was like, are you an allegory for something? I mean, there was definitely like using the burlesque club and like to like bounce ideas off of witchcraft like where the I'm so mad right now tell me more. The the Gahan guy is like you know persecution of which is just persecution of women they don't like women sexuality. Sure. Meanwhile it's a room full of people that are barking and hooting and hollering at, you know, women's sexuality. Yeah. So it's like, it's this, you know, yeah, they're trying to prove points. What is the point?

Uh, okay. I don't know. Okay. I don't know. I mean, that, the like too many, too many irons, too many, yeah. I mean, this is, the director's like first major motion picture, and she wrote, edited, directed, produce, like, this is her thing. Yeah, I think she's, I read somewhere that she spent like years and years and years just on the set design. I'm sure. It was gorgeous. It was gorgeous. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. th. th. th. th. th. th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi's th i it's just th i it's just th i it's th i it's th i it's th i it's th i it's th i it's th i it's th i it's th i it's th i it's th i it's th i it's th i it's th i it's th i it's th i it's th i it's th i it's th i it's th i it's th i th i th i th i th i thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. It's I think she's I read somewhere that she spent like years and years and years and years just on the set design

I'm sure. Yeah. It was gorgeous. Yeah. Yeah. I just feel like the message falls so flat It falls apart. It becomes a satire of itself. You know I do. And I think that's shitty. I think we deserve feminist horror movies that aren't like half-hearted attempts and making a woman seem masculine as a commentary on gender roles or like in which a female friendship one of to me one of the cornerstones of feminism is destroyed because you wanted someone else's husband to love you like and I get that she's the bad guy, but like, it's not feminist, the things that she does are not, there's no good feminism here.

It's not, it's not her behavior and it's not the opposite of her behavior. Like, none of them, I don't know. I'm having such a hard time with it because I don't understand what people see in it. And it me feel like a bad feminist or like I don't get it but then I talked to a lot of other women who are like no I don't think so. I have also talked to multiple women who have said no you're fine. So why does this? So I mean I was talking to Amanda of the the Pitt episode and of the Goul and Goul podcast about this and she she she she she she she she she she she she she she she she she th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I'm thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th is th is th is thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi to thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th Pitt episode and of the Goul and Gould podcast about this and she basically said that film critics are never good judges of feminism because they're mostly nerdy dudes and they're like oh yeah a woman's doing something that's fucking feminism trademark you know for sure I think there are a lot of people who that that's as far as they're willing to go with the idea of feminism

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But... We critique a lot of movies, Alan. It's true. I did tear a lepercot apart. No one spent a lot of time on that to be fair, to be fair. But because I want I want those feminist movies to be out there, I want that to be a thing that happens. I want, I want women to be able to go to movies and see themselves in film. And that does not happen in this movie. Right, right. And not, and you don't even want to be the opposite of Elaine. You know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, that, tho, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, tho, tho, the, tho, the, tho, tho, tho, the, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho,? Like, it's not even that she's like a wholehearted anti-feminist. It's, you don't, you know, like there's no, it's not the mirror image of Elaine

as the feminist lifestyle or something. It's not like that. She's just shitty. Yeah, yeah. And she has bad ideas. Well, even like Trish or, um, I can't remember the, is it Barbara? Barbara, who is in the coven with her. They both espouse feminist ideas and stuff, but like, Trish does a heel turn when she wants to be Elaine. Well, she's grieving. She's grieving and she's confused and she's angry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, the fact that... Yeah, so the the theme, I'm sorry to cut you off there, but like the best feminist character in the movie is brought to doubt her own position,

which was like, don't please men all the goddamn time. And then at the end, she's like, maybe I should have pleased men all the goddamn. How is this feminist? Because it's a joke? Are you making a joke out of this? Are you saying it ironically? Like, the more I talk about this, the angrier I'm getting. The more you're affirming the fact that my idea that with this is satire is just kind of falling flat because I don't, if it was, it didn't satirize it properly. No. It's like, it's poking fun at it. Yeah. But not in like a way that it's in on the joke. I don't know how to describe it. Yeah. Are you, okay. So you've gone on a couple

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I have, no, God. You don't have any horse buddies? No. I got a centaurs. I got a centaur that are going to figure out. Oh, that's right, Benjamin. You go horseback riding with this guy on a few dates. In this fantasy world I like horseback riding? You do. Okay, fine.

I'm riding horse. Because you're a pretty pretty princess and you want to ride horses. It's fine. And so you get out to the woods and you see this rent fair going on and you're both like, what the fuck is this? And then he goes, oh, those are my friends. How do you drive a horse faster? Because that's what I would do. I would kick that horse into the next gear and be about three towns over. No, no runfares.

Yeah. Would you willingly participate in a ritual that they want to perform and they strip your clothes off? Would you laugh? No! No. No. No. I didn't take any notes of this part because of the last thing is, um, there are

like all the Renaissance people are just laughing. Laughing and laughing and laughing and I just wrote genuinely what is so funny, renaissance people and then fuck I need a break from this movie. So I guess I didn't take any notes when I turned it back on. You never came back to the note portion. So yeah, they have this mock wedding. While they're kissing, the horse is just looking directly into the camera over their heads, which I actually thought was very funny. I was like, horse don't look directly into camera.

Like, be a fucking professional. Never trustay Benjamin. Yeah. And there's like the song being sung by these two young people that are singing a song about love. Did you think that that was either going to fade out or have some importance? Because it does neither. I thought they were just going to shoot a whole music video for me to watch. Like, why did they do that whole song? So the cop could have the internal monologue,

internal monologue, or he's like, being in love, thou'n't to be at love. I'm a man who only wants to do man stuff and never in love stuff. Yeah, so she has this internal monologue, about how the more you know a man, the more you know a woman, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the more you know a man, the closer you get to him, the more you love him, and he's having an internal monologue about the more you know a woman, the more you see her flaws, and the harder it is to love her. And I was like, mm-hmm, this is very feminist. This is great. I'm so happy this is happening. I get that. But like, what is the picture of Richard, because Trish goes over to hang out. Oh, Richard kills himself.

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He's already there. He's just drinking there, and she walks in. Right, and he's pissed at her, because he's figured out that she's the murderer. Right, because, but he also punches his partner right in the face about it. And like, this is even a weird thing about like the time too, like Griff has like a deep side part 60s cop look about him and he's wearing like big shoulder double-breasted suits and then his partner has like a close tryped hair and is wearing like slim fit modern suits. Yeah, yeah. But like what are you trying to tell me? Like what is the message? Isn't it funny? Is it though? I don't know? I don't know? I don't th. It's th. It's th. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. Like. It's. It's. Like. Like. It's. It's. Like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's th. It's th. Like. th. It's th. th. the the the th. th. Like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th it funny? Is it though? I don't know either. It's distracting. I think it's distracting. I don't know. I feel like I'm being really mean about this movie and I know a lot of people loved it and I just feel like, what is the point? What is it? Are you try?

Is it trying to say anything? I think so, but I think it's ineffectively doing it. Well, it needs to buck up. But you did remind me of every time I watch Frankenstein and the dude shows up in the fedore and I'm like, what? Yeah, yeah. So she meets her boyfriend cop at the bar. Slash Club. bar slash burlesque club slash burles club and the crowd turns on her right my notes get very a they start getting mad about the witches because the two girls are the sisters are dancing and they're dancing badly and they're like

God these witches can't dance and then I don't remember oh they had just been talking about the murder. Murder of Wayne and how there was witch stuff on the burial site. And the one woman who works at the bar was like, oh, you killed that professor? Yeah, because Griff confronts her, right, right. So then the bar turns on her. Burnts, chanting, burn the witch.

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All right. They were trying to show, again, this doesn't work with satire. They were trying to show that male violence turns to sexual violence very fast. Sure. But it's that like there's so much mixed messaging going on? Yes. That like I have a hard time with isn't it funny that we have cars from the 2000s in this 1960s movie and male violence turns to sexual violence very quickly being in the same like headspace. Right. Isn't it funnythat we're having purposefully bad acting and then also just having a woman be like brutalized for a third time? Yeah. And but also she's a terrible person so who

cares? Yeah. Yeah. Cool movie. And I know it's about, because this is the scene where she does the speech about being a sex object. So I'm sure that's part of it, like, she's just a sex object for their power. But like, what? No, I don't want this. I feel real bad for bringing this to us. Yeah. Well, I mean, ah.

I didn't know. You didn't know. So Griff, for whatever reason goes back to her apartment, instead of just taking her into the station. Yeah, yeah, as you do, as a police detective. And then he just lays down on her bed, which instead of just taking her again to the police station. They're in a fight so he's going to take a nap. Yeah, right. is what I got out of that. And then she stabs into death, just like the painting that she made. She like looks at the painting where she's cut out, in the painting the woman with the dreadlucks has cut out the man's heart.

But the heart is like a heart, like a Valentine? A Valentine? Like, that's another thing we're like, weigh. the painting, th Yeah, I understood it. You showed us that painting 15 times? Are you, okay, all right. No, zoom in on it. Oh, zoom in, thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Can you lay the painting next to him in bed? And that's, uh, that's the. Yeah, hopefully it was funny at some points anyway. Yeah. Fuck it. It can't all be funny. Sometimes we have to have serious talks, right? I guess. Katie. Alan. Let's go to the, uh, raining space. Are you making yourself small because that's a thing women do to take up less space? Oh my god, no. Do you want to rate this? Yeah. Go ahead. Uh, zero copies of the feminine mystique. I'll tell you what, it's a beautiful film.

Yeah. It is gorgeous. It is absolutely a delight to look at, even if the timing is very confusing of what's happening in the scenes and when it's happening. I just think that I also love a witch. I love witches, man. I want to see more witches. For sure.

And I'm which I feel bad because I really didn't like the news Asperia either. So it almost seems like I'm lying, but I swear I like witches. Another movie that we did not like and people fucking loved. You know what though like I can see why people like that I guess maybe now I don't see what is the messaging of this film is. I just I feel let down that this is considered like a feminist success. I feel let down that like we don't have better feminist horror movies and there are like I liked a girl walks home alone at night a lot. Sure. I feel like that was a good feminist horror movie.

Sure. Did you see, you did see, uh, the one with the game and the girl from the ready or not? Ready or not? I feel like that was a good feminist movie. I really enjoyed that movie. Yeah. I don't like like like like like like like like th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th like th like th like thi thi th thi thi thi thi thi th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I feel th. I feel thi. I feel thi. I feel thi. theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. I feel like like like like the. I feel like that was that movie got overlooked. I really enjoyed that movie. Yeah. I don't think it was a great movie but it was much the it was fun. It was fun. Yeah yeah yeah. This doesn't have like this isn't fun and it doesn't tell a story very well and it doesn't send a message very well. Yeah. And it's so long. So yeah zero copies of the feminine mystique. I don't know what that that tans tans tans tans tans tans tans tans tans tans that that that that that that te that that that that that that that that that tha that that that tha that that tha that that that that that that that that's the is that's that's fun. It was fun. It was fun. It was fun. It was fun. It was fun. It was fun. It was fun. It was fun th. It was fun th. It was fun th. It was fun th. It was fun th. It was th. It's th. It's th. It's th is is th is th is th is th is th. It's that's th. It's that's that's that's that's the is that's the is that's that's the is the is the is that's theeeats theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. It was fun. It was fun. It was fun. It's fun. It's fun. It of the feminine mystique. I don't know what that

translates to in numbers but... Sorry, Emily. Sorry. I will give it zero your real heart is a Valentine's heart. Yeah, it's just it's very pretty to look at, talking with a friend about this and she said like basically it's gorgeous to look at it's a waste your fucking time. It is a waste your fucking time and I I left this movie feeling bad. Yeah. Like I felt like I wasn't a good feminist because I didn't agree with the premises that it was setting forth even though the premises are so muddy it's hard to pull them out anyway. Premises premises premises premises premises premises premises, or like that I just was stupid and didn't get it. Yeah, I mean, I think that's what I was kind of alluding to earlier is like I feel like a bad ally, because I'm not like supporting this thing that should be a feminist thing.

Well if you want it to be a feminist thing, have a real clear message I would say. Yeah. Is that too... The one upshot of this is that I was like, oh, I'd like to see what this person does next. Because I think the visual aspect of this was on point. Sure. So if the storytelling aspect can be on point, I think there's a great movie to be made somewhere in this universe. Yeah, just without all the muddling. There I there are things that we haven't

even talked about like the male gaze of in filmmaking and like just all these little bits that she tried to mash into one like mashed potato monster of a movie and then like 75% of the way through the mashed potatoes all like got dry and cracked and fell over. Oh man you gotta the like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the m. their the m. Yeah the m. the m. the m. the m. the m. the m. the m. the m. the m. the m. the m. the m. the m. the m. the m. the m. the m. the m. the m. There are the m. There are the m. There are the m. There's the m. There's the m. There's the m. There's the m. There's the m. There's the m. There's the m. There's the m. There's the m. There's the the the the the the the the the the the the mallea'a'a'a'a'a'a'a' the mallea' the mallea. the m. There's m. the way through the mashed potatoes all like got dry and cracked and fell over. Oh man, you gotta keep them soft. You gotta give them... Gotta put a little butter on them. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, per seething. I don't know why I was thinking about that this morning, but I was. I was thinking about it basically in terms of this movie, because I was like, is the feminist the I think I can have a little bit of salami. I don't know. Like, I don't know. I just feel like there's better feminism out there. What? Yeah. For you and for me and the entire human race.

I would agree. Thanks. Katie. Alan. Can I take you to a little place that I like to call Mailback? Please. This is a review that we got on iTunes. Okay. Been listening and loving for years. Oh, damn. Five stars from R.J.

in LA. That's cool because it rhymes. Though I think the actual review itself might be mildly misleading. Okay. Do you love Tom Savini and Brian from Wings? Then this is the 100% the podcast for you. No, I think that's a face thumbs up. I think that's bang on. Yeah. No, I think that's right. Do you love Tom Savinieine?

the brine. to sit down next watch it. We should not do an episode about a show. No, no. We'll both watch it on your shutter account. Thank you. I always want like whenever I watch a movie that we're doing for the podcast on your shutter account and then abandon it halfway through I always worry that you log in and you're like, what did you do with 38 minutes left? Like, get back here and he that their thi. to thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. to both both both both both both both both both both, to to to to to to to to to to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. to the. thooooo. Both both both both both both both watch. the. th. th. this. We share our HBO account with a friend and the actual the one who owns the horse and I logged into HBO and I was like who the fuck watch 45 minutes of detective Pikachu? Maybe it was the horse. Piccues you. So that's mail bag. Katie. Alan. What are we doing next week?

Something way more fun that also is slightly problematic. I'm gonna argue with you. I'm gonna argue with you. I know one scene that you cannot argue with me. Well we'll see. Can't hardly wait. Not a horror movie. Oh how dare you. Oh how dare you. I'm excited to talk about this movie. It's. I'm excited to talk about this movie. It's. I'm. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. to. to. to. to. to. to. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to. to. to. to. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to to the to the the to to the to the th. I to the. I to the. I to the. I to to to to to the. I th. I? I'm excited to talk about this movie. I love that we chose to do this. Yeah, I love that you suggested it because you know I love it and that's the true meeting of the Month of Love. Doing things for your friends. Up top. Slam dunk. So watch Can't Hardly Wait, Jordan next week. And youuh, thanks for everybody who's been buying stuff on T-Public. Yeah. That's really nice of you. Hey, I had a little bit of a rough week personally last week.

Thanks to everybody who reached out to me. That was a lot of listeners really sent me nice messages and I just super appreciated. Oh, that's really sweet. Oh, that's really sweet. I hope these coming weeks are better. Yeah. Go to see public buy some stuff. Leave us review on iTunes. It helps. Yeah. Or pod republic or podcast republic. Wherever the fuck you can do.

Put public. Tell your friends. Yeah. Send us an email. We'd like to tell your enemies. Yeah, definitely tell your enemies. And thanks to everyone who's sending us raging against the machine the machine the machine the machine the machine the machine the machine the machine the machine the machine the machine the machine the machine the machine the machine raging against the machine tickets. They are? I don't know. Do it. I would love to go see Rage Against the Machine with you. Yes, yes, I strongly agree. They still hot? Probably. I got to see them naked in like 1993.

Dope. It was, it sucked. They performed a Lollapeliza, but they didn't perform. They wrote PMRC on their chest, which is the Parents Music Resource Center that was... The censorship, yes. And they stood on stage naked. Sorry to go on this, but the bass player kept playing with his dick. And Zach Taylor wrote you with smack us at end. And then they just like walked up stage and got arrested and was like, all right, what do we do? What happened here? All right, I guess I'll watch Primus. Thanks for listening to another episode of Wearwulf Ambulance.

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