Werewolf Ambulance: A Horror Movie Comedy Podcast - Episode 7- Ju-on: The Grudge (2002)

Episode Date: December 8, 2014

In this week's episode about the 2002 thriller "Ju-on: The Grudge", we dive headfirst into the world of Japanese ghost stories and Allen stands strongly in defense of movies that maaayyybe aren't that great but stay with you for a long time anyway. Topics include the Twizzler effect, the American urge to smash all subtlety, wig attacks, super running and the necessity of Post-It notes. Please take a listen and let us know what you think! If you like it, please also tell a friend.  Werewolf Ambulance is a horror movie comedy podcast. 

Hi, and welcome to another episode of Wearwolf Ambulance. I'm Katie. Hi Alan. How are you? Good. How are you? I'm doing pretty well, Katie. So we just watched a Japanese thriller paranormal ghost story called Juwan the Grudge from 2002? Yeah. Am I saying Juwan right? You just looked at me like I said it wrong? No, you got it. You nailed it. I didn't Pittsburgh it? G1. You didn't get some French fries on that. Go down there and G-Won. This movie came with a side of French dressing. Just making sure. So Ju-on is our first real ghost story. Yeah. Ghost story, paranormal, sort of, yeah. Our first subtitle movie as well.

Yeah. A lot of things we should have watched the subtitles, but didn't, this is the first time where I can't be like, what'd he say? Yeah? So..... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I? Yeah. I th. I the th. the the th. the the th. the th. things we should have watched the subtitles but didn't, this is the first time where I can't be like, what do you say? I thought he said. So you really liked this movie a lot. I do. I can admit that it's not the best movie, but I have a lot of sentimental attachment to this film. Okay. I first saw this movie in two thousand and probably two thousand or-two, or or-two, or th, or th, or th, or th, or th, or th, or th, th, or th, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what the the the thi, what, what, what, what, what the thi, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what the the the the the the the the the the the, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, th. th. I, what, what, what, the the the the the thi. I, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, their, what, what I, what, what, the the the the film. I first saw this movie in probably 2002 or 2003. When I lived in Philadelphia, a group of friends and I had this thing called Team Fulci, where we would get together and watch horror movies all night. Nice. From like 6 p.m. to 6 a.m. to 6 a.m. thrown the today. And this was one of the ones that we watched like 3 o'clock in the morning. So we were loopy on like twizzlers and just right going nuts. I guess he's being very mind-bending at that point. It was crazy. I just remember like that sort of the the the ultimate scene where the

stairs at the end of the movie is just like we were screaming and jumping on each other and going insane so I have a lot of I have a lot of affection for this movie because of that. I have a th I have a th I have a th I have a th I have a th I have a th I have a th I have a th I have a th I have a th I have a th I have a thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I th. I th. I thi thi thi. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I have I have I have I have I have a thi thi thi the thi the the the the the to have a to have a to have a to have a to to to to theeeeeeeeeeeeee thi thi thi thi thi thi. I this movie because of that. I don't actually know much about Japanese horror as a genre. I've seen a handful of movies, this being one of them, Ringo being one. I've seen one missed call, which is not good. No. No. And that's really pretty much it for my Japanese horror knowledge. But one of my favorite movies of all time is Battle Royal, which is not really a horror movie, but more like action kind of Japanese movie.

They definitely is a genre-bender on that. It's pretty horrible. Yeah, it's pretty horrible. Well, they're all pretty horrible. Like, it seems like Japanese movies. American horror movies are kind of a morality play, as Mettowet Scraven would tell you. You know, you break the rules, you get beaten to death or something. But Japanese horror movies, there's no rhyme or reason, everybody dies. Is that true of the genre? Well, I think it's something like Battle Royale. Like for the ghost stories, I think we don't have the cultural touchstones for the ghosts are different. Like they're coming from like a Buddhist background, a lot of levels and the Shinto and that stuff. And so, whereas we sort of have like a Judeo-Christian bent on ghosts and what makes them scary

and stuff. So like, even having done a bunch of reading about this stuff back in the day, and unfortunately I didn't, don't retain everything but... And you didn't bring your dossiers? I didn't bring my dossiers. So they, but, so there's much more about like the vengeful ghosts and the ghosts that are like seeking revenge and will attach themselves to people which is what this movie is completely about. Or what what Ringo is like that vengeful ghost that just wants to murder. I guess it's their it it is their it is th. It is th. It is th. It's. It's. It's. It's. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I I is thi. I is thi. I is thi. I is thi. I is thi. I is thi. I is thi. I is th. I is th. th. th. th. th. the thi. I is the thi. I's, thi. I's, thi. I's, thi. I thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi.ful ghost that just wants to murder. I guess. It's not looking for like, and it seems like in American horror films, there's something you can do to liberate the ghost, you send it off into the next world.

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to or it shows that one of the people you've been following this whole time this woman Rika she may have been the ghost the whole time. See that's where I disagree I think that I thought it was the first woman that got hurt. But got her face. When she looks through her hands, it's her own face looking back at. I don't think it was. I think you're just... No. Nope. Nope. I really thought it was the woman who got murdered in the first scene because I thought she had like started the grudge. Hold on. So Wikipedia has verified that I am. We were going there.

That I am not racist. It's true. I didn't say you were racist. I just meant that you know you might have thought they all looked alike. No, no. So, all right, we went to Wikipedia and, uh, because this is confusing this end scene of how this may have actually, was it been intended to play out? Right. It's been over 10 years since I've watched this movie multiple times over the course of 10 years and I just was like, oh no, she's the ghost the whole time.

But it turns out that it's the ghost taking on her visage to insinuate that she will now be the one living out this curse. According to Wikipedia. Right. Which makes it's, that, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the thii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, they, they, thi, thi, thiolioliolomea, they, they, they, the ghost, the ghost, the ghost, the ghost, the ghost, the ghost, the ghost, the ghost, the ghost, the ghost, the ghost, the ghost, the ghost, the ghost, the ghost, the, the, the, the ghost, the ghost, they, they, they, they, thi, thi, thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi. thi. thi. thi. Weau. Wea. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. that was not very clearly demonstrated to me as the audience. And again, I don't know if that falls into the cultural things that I was talking about earlier. I don't think the Japanese people saw that and they were like, oh I see, she's now doomed to the same fate. Maybe, maybe, I don't think so. It happens very quickly anyway, so it's hard to say. Yeah. I mean, I definitely think this movie is a cheesy teenage horror movie kind of flick.

Oh, I said flick kind of movie. But it's, I think like the ultimate scary parts, like for me anyway, they're legit scary for me. Like I get creeped out by these things. What parts do you find scary? The woman walking down the stairs and the crab crawl? F that part in the face. I hate that part. I'm making the, uh, I can't even do the noise. Uh, and then like, duh, coming down the stairs all squirby worm. I feel like this movie had a lot of scary atmosphere of like building tension that I felt very tense,

but then when I actually would see whatever it was, like be it the little boy who just looked like a little baby bear. Toshio. Toshio. Or the woman or the woman painted all black with the crazy wig on. I felt like then it became not that scary for me. But I just felt like felt like the suspense would build and build and build and then it'd be like, oh there's a baby bear guy. I don't know. There's a really poopy mat. Yeah, the poop mat was not as adorable as the little little baby guy, but yeah, I felt like it really suffered from that

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go upstairs or there was like which is one scene where the husband I can't remember his name Kayakayashi. He and his wife had very similar names which I was. Is that Katzua? Yeah, I think I had the wife's name. We're they, they, th, th, th, th, th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, tho, like, like, their, their, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, they.............. they, they, they, they, they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they, they, they. think I had the wife's name. Yeah, we're gonna butcher every one of these names, yeah. He was like biting his nails in one scene and it was just like loud and just disgusting, like just super effective. So I really enjoyed that. The sound was really great in it and I really enjoyed the sort of almost traditional theatrics of it. Like when they're implicating that that guy,

Katsua or whatever, is becoming possessed with the spirit of the father who killed the wife and son and starts biting on his nails and the lighting shifts. Yeah, and like it gets real dark over his face and like I just felt like that was really fun nod to like silent films and like the the theater and yeah I really like that aspect of it like yeah I think it's good from the mood and I like the use of music in it too where there would be like long stretches with just silence yeah I was gonna say I don't think I can't remember any music in it there was that and then like the like low synth rumbles when stuff was getting real creepy yeah yeah. Yeah. I can't remember it. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

And then there were things that I just hated, like, those wigs. Oh, the scary wig monster? Yeah, scary wig monster. I just was really not to do. Yeah, the special effects on that didn't hold up so well over the past 12 years. Yeah, that wig's gonna get her. Well, it was the wig and the CGI shadow that was gonna get it. Yeah, and just, I don't know, that was some of the close-up shots of people's faces when they just had face

paint on and it was like real like sinking into their pores like, oh, yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean, an eyeliner. From like the nerdy aspect of that, the the the, the the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, thin, to thin, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, the, the, the, the, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, to, to, to. And, the, like, like, like that of sort of tea on like that sort of reminded me of like traditional Japanese theater like Kabuki. Right I get that but I just think that's when you think that was their intent? Well I think so because that's sort of the white-clad long black hair ghost like in like in Sadako in R Ringo yeah that's a traditional Kabuki ghost that was like the style of ghosts that they would do in Kabuki theater it's really I feel it really detracts from the fear element of the characters I don't there's something about that really they really gets into my psyche and makes me make me a scared

sorry buddy it's all right That's why I'm watching. I'm actually happy that it happens. I'm sorry that it didn't scare you. No, sorry. Yeah, Tosio. Now what about Toshio tickling his knees underneath the table? Oh, what is the little? Poor little Toshio. I don't really, yeah, yeah, Toshio. I kept expecting him to just like bend backwards in his joints to be like he really didn't he just kind of ran around and was like he yeah for sure he didn't really but he's like a mischievous little kid spirit yeah he doesn't really he never does anything though he never causes any never attacks anybody um no the most he does is that sort of when he like opens his mouth and screams like a cat in the one point oh yeah that's pretty okay. That's okay. But there's something weird about like his spirit and the cat spirit sort of being intertwined.

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So they're sort of a long tradition of just like that brutality. But I think like the lady and white long black hair ghost story just got like, it's more, it's sort of a one-trick pony. Yeah, it's a little, it got a little played out quickly there. Yeah. So I th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th there th there there th there there there th there th th the there the there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's sort there's sort there's sort there's sort there's sort there's sort there's more, it's sort there's sort there's more, it's got a little, it's got a little, it's got a little, it's got a little, it's got a little, it's got a little, it's got th th th th th th that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that th so I think that eventually went away for us anyway. America loved it for a while there. Yeah. And then it started being parodied in like the scary movie films and all that. Awayans brother dressed like that. I'm sorry I've never seen any scary movies but I would put I would stake actual cash money on the fact that Awayans brother does that in one of them. Is that racist? No I saw a clip from one of those movies movies where, I can't, I think it's Marlon Way and this is attacked by a giant joint, so it's just like, oh, that's all that's off.

Maybe I do need to start watching the scary movie. I'm actually surprised that you haven't seen them. No judgment. I'm just saying it might be up your alley. Suddenly I'm offended. That was not my... Mm-hmm. Anyway. So yeah, he's directed in all movies.

He's the director. Has he done anything else or has he pretty much been in this franchise? Yeah. That's all I really... I think he's done some other movies, but I don't think they've been of no one, like this. So, yeah. Katie? Yes. I think he's done some other movies, but I don't think they've been of Noon, like this. So, yeah. Katie, yes. I have a question for you.

Yes. I think you might know what that question is. Okay, numeric rating. Yeah. I would definitely watch this again. This is sort of my question of whether or not I would reach for this movie. And I really do feel like I probably missed a lot. And I think that's sort of the end game of these movies that are shown to you non-chronologically is to make you watch

them a bunch of times. I feel like they're like, that's sort of there. Yeah, they're like an onion you got to peel back. Yeah, well, some of them you keep peeling and you're like, oh my god. This is just a crappy movie. Yeah, this is just garbage. I just realized that. I should have thrown this onion away. So I would watch it again. I don't know, I'm sure it would be even less scary the next time around, but there are some really great visuals in there that I really liked. One that I've written here that I didn't mention earlier was there was a scene where the mother, the wife, she was not the mother, she was the wife, was going up the stairs chasing, I guess her cat?

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Oh, thanks. Yeah. I feel like I'm, uh, I don't know. I feel like I'm being too kind to movies because like all my ratings are like, oh, that's a 7, that's an 8. Yeah, well, I think you attached to these movies. Yeah, you know, they don't know what you say about them, right? Well, no, but they're my friends. Ju-Wan's my friend.

Yeah, Ju-Wan's nobody's friend. Juhon's waiting for you to come home so that I can crawl down the stairs and go, ah, ah, I hate it so much. Yeah, so no way to talk about your friend. Um, we, well, like, we just need to get you more movies you're going to hate so that the table can be turned. Don't worry. We're getting there. Quick before we end, I'd like to, I'd like to thank the people who have been supporting us. Oh, yeah, totally. People have been tweeting about us now that we're on Twitter

and actually you're being very active with that, which is great. Yeah, thanks guys. Rather than when we were just ignoring Twitter. So people that are retweeting stuff and tweeting and tweeting and telling their friends, and telling their friends and people on people that are out there that are enjoying this is fantastic Yeah, and also to our friends who know us in your life who are saying nice things to us Yeah, so sweet. Thanks for saying nice things. You know, I'd like to think that Katie and I would be doing this into the void, you know, but yeah, it is really nice to hear that people like it. Yeah, it is really nice to hear that people. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thi. thi. thi. thi. th. thi. it. Yeah. So thank you. And more feedback tell us what we need to do better or. But yeah, and please suggest movies for us. Yeah, I want to see stuff that I've never seen before. I want to take in new cinema. Yeah, right now this is pretty much just coming all from

what Alan and I are picking for one another to watch. So we would really love to hear what you like and what you hate and what you think would be fun to do a podcast about so yeah and we have a few suggestions coming down the pike from people and yeah a few more guests yeah episodes so we're pretty excited about that stuff yeah thank you for being supportive of us thank you thank you thank you thank you you can you can find us on Facebook. We're where off ambulance on on Facebook. We're whereabulance on on Twitter and where else. Oh, where will famulf ambulance at Gmail. If you like to go old school and just email us about stuff. And that's the internet.

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I can't delete it from history. Well, you can erase it from the podcast. They don't need to know. All right. Well, thank you for listening to another episode of Warholv Ambulance. Thanks a lot. Bye. Bye.