What A Day - How A Miscarriage In Texas Led To A Murder Charge
Episode Date: April 11, 2022Texas authorities arrested 26-year-old Lizelle Herrera, last week, on murder charges for what the local sheriff’s office described as a “self-induced abortion.” Her bond was set at $500,000 and ...her arrest sparked protests from abortion rights activists over the weekend. But on Sunday, local prosecutors dropped the charge against her.More than 50 people were killed and another 98 injured after a missile struck a train station in the eastern Ukrainian city of Kramatorsk, last Friday. Thousands of people were trying to board trains to evacuate the city since Russian forces began to shift the focus of the war to eastern Ukraine.And in headlines: Pakistan’s Parliament voted to remove Prime Minister Imran Khan from office, French voters took to the polls to pick their next president, and former President Donald Trump endorsed Pennsylvania U.S. Senate candidate Mehmet Oz.Follow us on Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/whataday/For a transcript of this episode, please visit crooked.com/whataday
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It's Monday, April 11th.
I'm Travelle Anderson.
And I'm Josie Duffy Rice.
And this is What A Day, where we're supporting unionization efforts at Starbucks by asking
baristas to write our name on our cups as Cesar Chavez.
Yeah, we don't know whether this gesture is understood or appreciated, but we're sticking
with it anyway.
Just making our impact one latte at a time.
On today's show, it'll be incumbent Emmanuel Macron against far-right nationalist Marine Le Pen
in a runoff for France's presidency. Plus, Ben Affleck and J-Lo are engaged again.
But first, let's tell you about a story that rapidly developed this past weekend in Starr County, Texas, which is right on the southern border.
On Thursday, 26-year-old Lizelle Herrera, quote, miscarried at a
hospital and allegedly confided to hospital staff that she had attempted to induce her own abortion
and she was reported to the authorities by hospital administration or staff.
Herrera's bond was set at $500,000. This weekend, La Frontera Fund protested outside of the Starr
County Jail. So Josie, this was obviously horrifying, especially in a moment
where abortion rights will likely be all but destroyed in the coming months by the Supreme
Court. What does Texas law say about arresting people for, quote, self-induced abortions?
Yeah, that's right, Travelle. Her arrest was not only terrifying, but it was very confusing since
it wasn't clear what law Herrera even allegedly broke,
right? In September, Texas passed SB8, a law that we've discussed a ton on this show,
that bans abortions after six weeks of pregnancy, but that's a civil law, not a criminal one,
and it only allows consequences for people who helped facilitate an abortion, not for the person
who has one. In fact, Texas law explicitly prohibits authorities from filing
criminal charges against someone who has an abortion. So that's why on Sunday, the local
district attorney, Gosha Ramirez, said that he would dismiss the case against Herrera, stating,
quote, the issues surrounding this matter are clearly contentious. However, based on Texas law
and the facts presented, it is not a criminal matter. Okay, so Herrera is likely going to avoid prosecution for this particular incident, but there are good law and abortion rights exist. If people are getting
arrested when abortion is legal and when their arrest is explicitly outlawed under Texas law,
what is going to happen when Roe is likely struck down in the very near future, right? And that is
the future we are facing. These conservative states are passing laws. They're ready to punish
people who choose to exercise bodily autonomy, which means that criminalization of people, primarily women, is going to explode. It really is. And it will probably
go further than self-induced abortions as well. Yeah, that's exactly right, Travelle, and it already
has. And this is important to keep in mind because Herrera is getting a lot of press, but we've
actually seen arrests like this before and fairly regularly, right? In October, Brittany Pula was
convicted in Oklahoma of first
degree manslaughter and sentenced to four years in prison. Brittany had had a miscarriage at four
months and she admitted that she had used drugs during her pregnancy. There's no evidence that
those drugs led to her miscarriage, but it really shouldn't matter, right? Because law enforcement
should not be regulating people's pregnancies in that way regardless. But there are other cases
like this. There are cases of women being prosecuted for putting a fetus in danger or
for what is functionally a miscarriage, right? So if Roe is overturned, how long until many,
many more people are punished for miscarrying or for endangering a fetus, quote unquote?
What happens when a woman, for example, has a glass of wine when she's pregnant and then later miscarries? Will she be arrested?
How long until we start arresting people for using the morning after pill or using birth control?
Where is this headed? And I think that is one of the really scary things about this arrest.
Yeah, there's definitely like a slippery slope situation that seems to be here.
What else do you think is worth keeping in mind with this?
Yeah, again, there's so much, right?
Including the fact that the hospital reported Herrera to authorities, a truly awful and
unethical thing to do to a person seeking medical help.
But the major, major thing to keep in mind here is the role of law enforcement in the
potential post-Roe future, right?
That the sheriff's office would either not know
or not care about the law and arrest someone for murder
when that arrest is explicitly outlawed under the law,
it's terrifying.
Travelle, sheriffs don't get a lot of attention as a rule,
but they tend to be some of the most powerful people
in law enforcement and also some of the most right-wing,
which is saying a lot.
I would suggest subscribing to Jessica Pischko's newsletter,
Posse Comitatus, for more on sheriffs. It's really phenomenal. There is no doubt in my mind that
sheriffs will play a major role in the policing and punishment of those who exercise the right
to abortion if Roe is overturned. And it's not just the sheriff that's concerning here, right?
It's the power of the prosecutor as well. In this case, the prosecutor did the right thing and dropped the case, though I think he should have expressed significantly more outrage than he did.
But what if the prosecutor had been aligned with the sheriff, right?
What if he had dragged this out?
He could have tried to make a case here.
And even if he was ultimately unsuccessful, Herrera could have potentially sat in jail for months.
This prosecutor didn't say, I will never prosecute someone for abortion.
He said, right now, that's not legal.
But what about when that is legal?
How will he use his discretion?
If Roe is overturned, prosecutors and police will have a ton of control over the arrest
and punishment of women and people who exercise bodily autonomy.
And this is particularly true for poor people and people of color who are already disproportionately arrested and prosecuted under the law. And that disparity
will only get worse. So yeah, Travelle Herrera's arrest was a big deal, not only because it was
very upsetting, but also because it's relatively unheard of. But I'm really afraid that situations
like this are going to become all too common in the future. Yeah, it's not looking good.
It's really not. Now let's bring people an update on Ukraine. Last Friday, more than 50 people were
killed and another 98 injured after a missile struck a train station in the eastern Ukrainian
city of Kramatorsk. Thousands of people, mostly women and children, were trying to board trains
to evacuate the city since Russian forces began to shift the focus of the war to eastern Ukraine.
Other cities that were shelled over the weekend include Sevierdnesk, where a pair of residential buildings and a school were hit.
No casualties were reported there.
And Yepro, where Russian forces hit an industrial facility and an airport, wounding at least six people.
So what more do we know about this move away from places like Mariupol and Kiev?
According to experts, Russian troops are actually more skilled at fighting in rural terrain,
which would explain why and how Ukrainian forces have held up better than expected thus far.
With Russia moving to new terrain in eastern Ukraine, which has a lot more wide open spaces,
that'll make it harder for the type of guerrilla operations Ukrainians have found successful
in the north and west of their country. Over the weekend, satellite images showed hundreds
of military vehicles, in particular a convoy stretching eight miles, moving through the east.
And Russian forces also prevented buses from evacuating civilians in three
cities in the east, breaching an agreement brokered by the Red Cross. Yeah, that's really scary.
According to updated figures from the United Nations, more than 4.5 million refugees have
fled Ukraine since the war began, which was just a little less than two months ago. So how else
have folks been impacted? Yeah, so like throughout all of this, I somehow missed the factoid that Ukraine and Russia are
considered the breadbasket of Europe. The two countries account for almost 30 percent of global
wheat exports, almost 20 percent of corn exports and more than 80 percent of the world's supply
of sunflower oil. Because of the invasion, all of that has been impacted,
which one expert said is like, for comparison,
the states of Iowa and Illinois,
which are the heart of our grain production here in the U.S.,
being ripped off the map.
Ukraine has already lost at least $1.5 billion in grain exports
since the war began.
And Russia, the world's leading grain exporter
hasn't been able to export much due to the trade sanctions that they're facing. The result is the
start of a global food crisis that, according to the head of the UN's World Food Program a few
weeks ago, we haven't seen anything like since World War II. Meanwhile, there are reports that
NATO is working on plans
for a permanent military presence on its border.
But according to NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg,
a final decision on that wouldn't be made
until a NATO summit set for June in Madrid.
So there is a lot more for us to keep an eye on there.
But that's the latest for now.
We'll be back after some ads.
Now let's wrap up with some headlines.
After being reinstated by the country's Supreme Court, Pakistan's parliament voted to remove Prime Minister Imran Khan from office on Sunday. The vote passed by a simple majority with 174 lawmakers voting against the now former prime minister.
This comes after Khan dissolved the country's parliament last week in an effort to stop the vote from happening altogether. The case then went to Pakistan's Supreme Court, which agreed with Khan's opponents who argued that his actions were a, quote,
open coup against the country and the constitution. Since the results of the vote were announced,
Khan has called upon his supporters to take to the streets in protest of his ousting and
maintain the baseless claim that the U.S. is behind the effort to remove him. It's now up
to Parliament to choose Khan's successor,
who is set to be elected and sworn in today.
French voters took to the polls yesterday to pick their next president.
After the first round, the 12 candidates have been whittled down to two for a runoff.
Incumbent President Emmanuel Macron against far-right candidate Marine Le Pen.
That runoff will be on April 24th.
The two ran against each other back in 2017 where centrist candidate Macron won by a landslide. Macron is now running for a third
term, but he and Le Pen are expected to have a tighter runoff battle this time around due to
increased polarization in French politics. Le Pen has a history of nationalist and xenophobic
beliefs. She's known for her support for restrictive immigration policies and efforts to ban Muslim headscarves in public places.
The final results of the French election will be hugely important on the world stage.
Macron is a strong supporter of NATO and has backed the European Union's sanctions against
Russia during the war. Meanwhile, Le Pen has been labeled as a Putin sympathizer.
Even those who lost yesterday's elections are warning against
a Le Pen victory. Conservative presidential candidate Valerie Procresa said Le Pen's win
would, quote, open France to discord, impotence and collapse. Not a resounding endorsement,
I would say. That's pretty bad. There is an update to the House Committee investigating
the January 6th insurrection.
According to the New York Times, it has enough evidence to recommend that the Justice Department open a criminal investigation into former President Donald Trump.
If you turned on a computer or TV at any point in January 2021, you may have enough evidence as well.
But committee leaders are split on whether to take this next step or not. It would largely be symbolic since the DOJ already seems to be ramping up its investigation. And some also
pointed out that making a recommendation could politicize the process and hamper the DOJ's
broader probe into the riots. House Representative and committee member Liz Cheney confirmed parts
of the New York Times report yesterday on CNN's State of the Union, but she denied that there was any conflict within the committee.
There's not really a dispute on the committee. The committee is working
in a really collaborative way to discuss these issues.
Meanwhile, Trump has been busy helping to boost the political career of his fellow guy in a suit
from TV. On Saturday, he announced his support for candidate
for the U.S. Senate from Pennsylvania,
Mehmet Oz, or Dr. Oz,
who came to prominence following his appearances
on the Oprah Winfrey Show.
Republican candidates in the battleground state
have been vying for the former president's support
in the race to replace retiring Senator Pat Toomey.
This weekend, Trump called Oz the most electable candidate
because of his TV
stardom, saying, quote, You know, when you're in television for 18 years, that's like a poll.
That means people like you. This is the same reason why I'm forming a pact to draft the Aflac
Duck. The man in this race Trump previously believed was most electable was Sean Parnell.
He endorsed him last year,
but Parnell left the race amid allegations of domestic abuse. Yeah, if we just elected everybody
we watched on TV, things would somehow be even worse right now. So that feels like a rough
assumption. The early 2000s reached out through the sands of time to give us all a warm hug late
last week when Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez
announced their engagement. JLo shared the news on Friday, a consummate businesswoman she required
fans to sign up for her email newsletter on the JLo to get a first look at her ring, giving herself
an engagement gift called new subscribers. The duo, known as Bennifer, first got engaged 20 years ago,
wild, but they broke it off in 2004, the same year that Facebook launched George W. Bush won a second term as president and Ashley Simpson got caught lip syncing on SNL.
No wedding date has been announced yet, but we will, of course, keep you posted.
And in news about other people who have had an iron grip on the culture for the last two to three decades, Will Smith has officially been punished for his unscripted fight choreography at the Academy Awards last month.
For slapping Chris Rock during the broadcast, the Board of Governors for the Academy of
Motion Pictures, Arts and Sciences has banned him from attending any Academy events for
the next 10 years.
Sad news, we're also reporting here for the first time ever, if you post any new takes
on this event from this point forward, you are banned from the Academy as well.
Yes.
But I'm still going to do my takes because I'm never going to be up for an Oscar anyway.
So my takes are coming.
We don't need those takes, Josie.
I love you so much.
But we're over it.
I know.
We're over it.
We're over it.
And I agree with you before my take.
And I agree with you right after my take.
I promise.
I am with you.
And those are the headlines.
One more thing before we go,
check out the latest episode
of Offline.
This week,
the co-founder and former CEO
of Twitter, Ev Williams,
joins Jon Favreau
to talk about Twitter's early years.
Remember those years?
What a time.
Elon Musk,
and if Donald Trump
should be allowed back on the site.
New episodes of Offline
drop every Sunday
wherever you get your podcasts.
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and draft the Aflac duck.
We should do it. Quack quack.
He only says like a couple things.
Which is the reason why we should do it.
We would only have to hear
one or two lines for the rest
of our lives. It's honestly a step up
from the current TV stars.
At least there's only a couple things that could go wrong when all you say is quack.
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