What A Day - Meet Trump's Pick To Lead DHS

Episode Date: March 17, 2026

This week, the Senate will hold a confirmation hearing for Oklahoma Republican Senator Markwayne Mullin, President Donald Trump's pick to replace Kristi Noem as Department of Homeland Security Secretary. In some ways, he’s not very different from his predecessor. Mullin also smeared Renee Good and Alex Pretti following their killings by federal immigration officials in Minnesota. He endorses the President’s debunked theory that the 2020 election was stolen. And he threatened to fight the head of the Teamsters union back in 2023 during a Senate committee hearing over a Twitter spat. Burgess Everett, Congressional bureau chief at Semafor, joins the show to talk more about Senator Mullin, the DHS shutdown, and what else to watch for on the Hill this week.And in headlines, FBI Director Kash Patel and Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard testify before Congress about global security threats, thousands of workers go on strike at a Colorado meatpacking plant, and Trump continues to insist the war with Iran will wrap up “soon.”Show Notes: Check out Burgess reporting – www.semafor.com/author/burgess-everett Call Congress – 202-224-3121 Subscribe to the What A Day Newsletter – https://tinyurl.com/y4y2e9jy What A Day – YouTube – https://www.youtube.com/@whatadaypodcast Follow us on Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/crookedmedia/ For a transcript of this episode, please visit crooked.com/whataday

It's Tuesday, March 17th. Happy St. Patrick's Day. I'm Jane Koston, and this is what a day. The show that, like Fox News reporter, Peter Ducey, wants to know which president was President Donald Trump allegedly speaking to about Iran? I just want to ask you about something very interesting that you said twice today. That you talked to another former president about the Iran strikes. Was it George Lovie Bush? No. Was it Bill Clinton? I don't want to say.

I don't want to say. Because a member of a party, a member of a party, they have trumped arrangements in them all. But it's somebody that happens to like me, and I like that person who's a smart person. The funniest possibility? Definitely, former president, Joe Biden. On today's show, FBI director, Cash Patel, takes a break from chugging beer. to testify before Congress bet global security threats, something he's definitely monitoring closely. And Trump insists the war with Iran will wrap up soon, even though his definition of

soon remains unclear. But let's start with the Department of Homeland Security. Sure, DHS is still knee-deep in a partial shutdown and will be for the foreseeable future. But with the ignominious dismissal of Christy Noem, the Senate will be taking up the nomination of her replacement this week, Oklahoma Republican Senator Mark Wayne Mullen. I'll say this for Mark Wayne Mullen. He has not, as far as I know, spent more than $200 million on an ad campaign for a federal agency that prominently features himself. But in some ways, he's not very different from the woman President Trump wants him to replace. For example, remember how Nome accused Alex Pready and Renee Good, the two American citizens

shot and killed by immigration officers in Minneapolis earlier this year, of being engaged in, quote, domestic terrorism? So did Mark Wayne Mullen multiple times on multiple television networks. Here are some moments from the Bullwicks compilation of remarks Mullen made about Renee Goods killing in early January. When Chrissy's Knoem said this is a form of domestic terrorism, it is. They're terrorizing their city right now. At the time when she said that, they were breaking out windows of cop cars. They were terrorizing the town. That is a form of domestic terrorism. What she said was absolutely 100% correct. And here are Mullen's comments regarding Alex Prettie's killing later that month.

Unfortunately, a individual, a deranged individual that came in to have to cause max damage with a loaded pistol with an extra mag that was completely loaded, was shot and killed. How much more does this got to go on before the Democrat leaders there take responsibility for their words? In case you wondered, Mark Wayne Mullen is very pro-Trump. He endorses the president's debunked theory that the 2020 election was stolen. It wasn't. And he threatened to fight the head of the Teamsters Union back in 2020. during a Senate committee hearing because the Teamsters union head was mean to him on Twitter. I am, sadly, not joking.

So to talk more about Mark Wayne Mullen, the DHS shutdown, and some of the things happening on the Hill this week, I spoke with Burgess Everett. He's a congressional bureau chief for Semaphore. Burgess, welcome back to Wad today. Hey, Jane, thanks for having me. Earlier this month, Trump announced his pick to take over DHS from Christy Nome, Oklahoma Republican Senator Mark Wayne Mullen. He's not a major name, the average person.

may just know that this person has two first names in one, even if they watch the news. So what do we know about Mark Wayne Mullen? How did he get into politics? You know, the interesting thing is he's really well known in the Capitol building that I'm in right now. And he's kind of viewed as like a little bit of a fixer between the House and the Senate and the president. First, he was in the House. I believe he was elected in 2012. I first actually met him in a very strange manner. He was campaigning for this guy called the kissing congressman, this congressman from Louisiana who kissed his staffer back in 2014. And I went down to cover his campaign.

And Mark Wayne Mullen was there. He driven down from Oklahoma to help Vance McAllister win reelection. He did not win, but it left a big impression on me. And I think it's left an impression on a lot of people because he, I believe he doesn't have a traditional bachelor's degree. So he's kind of like got this working class thing going on. He bounces a rubber ball everywhere he goes. It's sort of like a release of his energy or something like that. Like you can literally hear him come down the halls of the Capitol by listening for a rubber ball bouncing.

So he's kind of a unique figure. And I wouldn't say weird because he's very personable, but he's just like not your average congressman. He's challenged people to fight in committee hearings. He's super jacked. He'll wear a cowboy hat on the Senate floor because it's technically not against the rules. So he's a very big character and a big personality. and I don't know how much that'll translate to his new job when he and if he is confirmed,

but he's very different than Christy Knoem, a lot more charismatic and has a lot more relationships within the party. Less hair also. How did he become this under-the-radar leader in Washington? How did that happen? I would say, like, he was pretty close to Kevin McCarthy, the previous speaker, and that was what began the sort of, like, back-channeling

because there was, like, a lot of drama between that House and Senate Republicans, as there always is, but there's a lot of drama after the 2022 elections, when Senate Republicans failed to capture the majority and House Republicans won the majority, and he was trying to help everybody triangulate that, all those big debates on Ukraine aid, the border deal that failed in the Senate, those sorts of things. So that's kind of where he emerged from, and he didn't have a committee chairmanship. You know, he was still in his first term as senator.

He's only been in Senate for a little bit over three years, so he's quite junior. So it's been kind of remarkable to see him. kind of rise in prominence in the capital, but not necessarily outside of it. Because as you referenced, I think most Americans don't really know who this guy is. And that may be good for the Department of Homeland Security, actually. Yeah. When you heard the news that Trump had tapped Mullen to lead DHS, were you surprised? And why do you think Trump picked him? I was definitely surprised. I think he picked Mullen for two reasons. One is a fresh start over. You can see Christy Noam's gone by the end of the month. Bovino is going to be out too soon. These were kind of the two biggest faces of the failures,

I would say, in Minnesota, where federal agents ended up killing two people. But the other thing is, Chrissy Nome had infuriated Republicans by being slow to reimburse their states for disaster relief. The type of things that happens on a routine basis under most administrations, she was ticking them off on Ted Budd, who I bet most of your listeners don't even know who he is. He's a senator from North Carolina. He is so low-key. It's hard to overstate that. I mean, he's a very quiet, genteel guy. He put a hold on all of Christy Noem's nominees because she wouldn't approve disaster aid for Western North Carolina from a hurricane years ago now at this point.

So there were these bridges that had been burnt, and Mark Wayne Mullen is not going to do that. He's going to be responsive to these folks. He's not going to have these arbitrary rules on $100,000 and overspending needs to be stamped by the Homeland Security Secretary, which is what Christy Noem does. did. So I think he's got these conduits two important Republicans and some Democrats, maybe, we'll see, that can kind of give them a better relationship with Congress, which had gotten really poor recently. And you could see that the way that Kristineum got filleted in those committee hearings a couple weeks ago. So keeping all of this in mind, what can we expect from Mullen's Senate confirmation hearing Wednesday besides the fact that he and Kentucky Senator Rand Paul

hate each other and Rand Paul is overseeing the hearing? Man, you just scoop me, Jane. It was going to be one of my big things to watch. No, I think to me, you're probably going to get Democrats really prying at which policy changes he would want to do compared to Christy-nome. And my guess is he's going to be pretty noncommittal. And that's in part because I don't know that they know what they're going to do. The department he's seeking the lead has been shut down for a month. This is all over immigration enforcement. And Democrats are going to want to ask him, how are you going to change the way you enforce?

immigration law. And I don't expect a ton of details from him on that, but that is going to be like the main contention from the minority. I expect Republicans minus Rand Paul maybe to be super easy on him. I would not expect a ton of probing questions from them. They want him in this job ASAP. They want him to be confirmed by the end of the month. And so I think they're going to do everything they can. And can you just remind me, what exactly is the drama between him and Rand Paul? Well, if your job is to round up as many votes as possible and make these two bodies of Congress in sync with the White House and one person has been voting repeatedly against Trump, which is Rand Paul. I think that's kind of what irked Mark Wayne Mullen and kind of led to that rift. I don't know that we'll see that come out later this week, but I do know Rand Paul has not been a fan of like some of the ICE enforcement techniques and things like that.

So I wouldn't be surprised to see Rand Paul press him more than any Republican on that committee. Notably, despite the grist with Rand Paul, he's moving to have a committee vote right after this hearing. So that would be at the end of the week this week. And that would get him ready for the floor by next week to be confirmed. As you mentioned, the Department of Homeland Security is still shut down. Are lawmakers in the House or the Senate any closer to making a deal to reopen the agency? I would say no. It's really just gone totally silent. There's not offers being has changed. Last week, someone familiar with the negotiations told me things are better with Kristynoem kind of removed from them, so that's maybe a bright spot. In the House, Democrats

are trying to pass a bill funding the rest of DHS minus the immigration enforcement component. So that would be things like TSA, FEMA, the Coast Guard, popular things that both parties want to fund. Republicans have been resisting that idea. And so in the Senate, there's no discharge petition. There's no way to force that vote. Democrats have been coming to the floor and saying, will you guys do this? Republicans say no, you need to fund everything. So they're still at loggerheads. The major wildcard is that those TSA lines, I do think eventually members of Congress might respond to those if people get pissed enough at them. But I haven't seen that yet. And it's been a month. And we're seeing huge lines and nothing's happened.

Do you think it will take like people getting really mad about TSA or something happening that would involve the Coast Guard for lawmakers on either side of the aisle to actually like compromise? I don't see folks compromising without the president's direct involvement at this point. And so the way the last shutdown ended was eight Democratic caucus members basically decided we've had enough. I guess that's possible this time, but it feels like their party is a lot more united. And you've seen that in the votes. Only John Federman has been voting with Republicans to fund the Department of Homeland Security. So to me, I think if President Trump leaned on Republicans and said, okay, fine, let's do what the

Democrats want to do and fund everything except for immigration, or if President Trump said, let's cut a deal on immigration, enforcement, let's make some concessions to Democrats. Like, those are two things I could see maybe reopening the department. But I think there's a decent chance this ends up being the longest government shutdown of all time because it's not in the news. It's not dominating Washington. The Senate is dealing with its voting bill this week. It's not even related to the shutdown.

And you're confirming a new secretary in the middle of a shutdown. So it feels pretty fruitless to me. These things can come together quickly, but there's just no evidence that it's going to come together this week, for example. As you mentioned, the other major thing on the Senate's docket this week is the Save America Act, which would make it harder for Americans to vote by requiring things like a passport or birth certificate to register, among a bunch of other things. You've been doing a ton of reporting on this bill or the various versions of this bill. There's a potential vote on the bill today.

What are you hearing from lawmakers ahead of the debate? Well, basically what is going to happen is the Senate. Republicans are going to try to find 50 votes to open debate on this. Those are the two major provisions that you just mentioned. They're also going to try to add provisions restricting universal mail-in balloting. They're also going to try to add provisions dealing with biological men competing in women's sports as well as transgender surgeries for children. So this is like all of Trump's priorities getting rolled into one. In the end, we expect that Senator Thune would.

will end up having to have a vote at 60 votes and it will fail sometime in the next two weeks. Democrats will block it and then they'll kind of be back at square one. And what I'm looking for is how ticked off the president's supporters are going to be about that failure and whether they kind of view this as theater with no result possible. Yeah, that's been something that's been really interesting to me is that this bill passed the house pretty easily last month, but it was kind of dead in the water in the Senate already. We already heard Alaska Senator Lisa Murkowski say she was out on it. But you've seen online mega people who are like, get rid of the filibuster, we don't need it.

It's not a real thing. We have to pass this. Why has this become such a bugaboo for the Senate GOP? Those sort of things are like going through the discourse online. I don't think real people are talking about that. But it's become a problem for Senate Republicans and sort of led to this expectation that they can actually pass this. There are ways they could actually pass this. they would need 50 unified Republican votes to do it either way.

So they don't have that. And so that's kind of how it became this big problem is because the president has essentially handed John Thune an unwinnable hand for a bill that he supports but cannot pass. So this is a fairly routine conflict where you don't have the votes to pass your party's priorities except President Trump has made failure not an option. Now we have the House members saying they won't take up Senate bills because of this. And, you know, Republicans, as I wrote last week, are kind of in disarray on this. I don't necessarily see how they get out of it other than having this fail later this month and then moving on to other issues.

Burgess, thank you so much for joining me. Thanks, Jane. Great to see you. That was my conversation with Burgess Everett, Congressional Bureau Chief for Semaphore. I have never spent $200 million on an advertising campaign prominently featuring me. But sometimes a little shameless self-promotion is necessary. So if you like the show, please subscribe. Leave a five-star review on Spotify and Apple Podcasts, watch us on YouTube, and share your favorite episodes with your friends. We've got more news on the way after some ads.

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President Trump spoke to reporters about the Iran war during an unrelated signing event at the White House on Monday. Sitting behind his desk in the Oval Office, Trump defended the decision to attack Iran. So if you believe that Iran should not have, a nuclear weapon, they should not have it, then you have to absolutely love what I've done, because in two weeks we have decimated them. They have no Navy, they have no Air Force, they have no anti-aircraft weapons. Very rambly. Trump also told reporters on Monday that

some countries have agreed to help the U.S. reopen the Strait of Hormuz, though he did not mention any by name. He also urged other countries to send assistance. Iran says a strait, which one-fifth of the world's traded oil flows through, is cut off for the United States, Israel, and their allies. But the big question is still, if Iran, as you say, totally obliterated, got the missiles, got the first two rounds of leadership, Air Force gone, Navy, gone,

can we wrap this war up this week? Yeah, sure. Could. Will we? I don't think so, but it'll be soon. Won't be a little. I'm surprised he didn't say two weeks. The House Intelligence Committee is scheduled to hear from

top national security officials today on global threats facing the United States. Director of National Intelligence and former critic of regime change Tulsi Gabbard will be testifying, alongside FBI director slash Olympic Party Boy, Cash Patel, and CIA director John Ratcliffe. Tomorrow, the Senate Intelligence Committee will hold its own hearing on global threats with these officials. Still not on Congress's docket? Public hearings on the war with Iran. A group of six Democratic senators is threatening to continue forcing votes on congressional authorization for additional strikes on Iran. That is, unless Senate Majority Leader John Thune agrees to hold hearings with officials,

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