What Now? with Trevor Noah - If I Ruled the World: Creating Chaos with Anele and Sizwe [VIDEO]

Episode Date: June 19, 2025

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because if you are the secret you're in control you're in on it you're in control huh yeah don't ever be the one who gets blindsided wait you'd rather be the secret yeah there's power in that the one that's the secret has got the choice has got the choice to not be the secret but they don't the one that is that is Nanda Weiser, all of their choices have been taken away. You might never know. I always think to myself, it would be nice to be at a funeral and find things out. You know you hear these stories of people where they're at a funeral and the person they've been married with to forever, right? And then at the funeral they meet another family and

they're like, oh who are you? We've never met you. And they go, we're the family. And they're like, no, no, we're the family. And then it becomes it becomes i think that's nice because it's nice to like because think about a funeral you feel like it's the end of your journey but now it's nice to be like there's like a spin-off series nothing fun there's nothing fun about finding it's better than a person just dying guys no no no that i'd rather my dad dies and then we go and then we all the one family going there and also one family coming back that's it Wouldn't you rather have like new siblings now? No. New everything.

Because guys, the one that was the secret. I am selfish. You're selfish, that's your problem. You're selfish. That's funny. The one that's the secret. I want a spin-off series. ["The Big Game"]

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Is this just an excuse for... You're just trying to show us your ring. That is amazing. I'm doing it. I smell like is this just an excuse for you. Just trying to show us your ring I've noticed since marriage. You've taken like the amount of hand gestures you do Ravish ravish. I always spoke with my no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you see you spoke like that with your hands Yeah, you've been with me for how many years? You've never complimented my hand cream. And then now you're like, oh, the hand cream. Smell it. Move like you've just scrubbed in.

Smell it. Smell it, please. A good day to save lives, people. Congratulations. Thanks. Do you know what I was thinking? We haven't been on the podcast since you've been married. Oh, yes.

No, what I was thinking when I was on my way here is that you basically have a podcast all around me. because the first time was when I was turning 40. That's true. And then the second time was when my movie was nominated for an Oscar. Yes. And now I'm engaged. This is the What Now podcast. Write me my check.

So how does it feel to be a wife? Um, I'm like spoiled. I'm pampered, it's nice. I do nothing, which is great. I thought it would be the other way around. No, yeah that's what they try to sell us women. That yeah, you must cook, you must clean, uh-uh, none of that.

The real marriage is the man that does everything. Wait, so you don't cook anymore? I do cook, but that's all I need to do. Like absolutely all I need to do. Yeah, because I was going to be like, you not cooking is a... A bit of punishment for me, especially. No, but for everyone. No, but for everyone.

It's just like a concept now. Now I have like a vested interest in destroying your marriage. No, don't do that! No, I'm saying if you didn't cook. I'm saying if you didn't cook. Okay, okay. No, I promise you, it's so nice to find a partner. Like I've literally found an equal like he's my partner

He's like he's my dude is my guy and amazing. Yeah, I'm I feel so protected and safe and It's just the entire thing also because he's the one person in the world that I don't have to convince to be on my side. Oh He's automatically automatic automatically on my side, but well in public but if we get home No, no, that's the whole point of a relationship. And then you feel like, ah, babe. In public you say, I'm with you, I'm with you, I'm with you. And then when you go, yes. It's the opposite of Elon Musk and Donald Trump.

Oh, yeah, no, totally. Yeah, they were supposed to do it, if they were married, they'd do it the other way around. They just went together too many places. That's another thing that I've realized. That's how every relationship ends. Exactly. There's no ways that you guys can beat, I mean every time we saw Donald Trump, Elon Musk was there. That relationship, that's gonna fail. How have you been Cesar? Are you

married? Maybe. And you know what? It's so plausible that Cesar would get married and tell none of us. He would do that. And he does this every now and then on social media where people hear like, I was sitting with my wife and kids. And then people have a meltdown because every woman in the country is hoping to be Caesar's wife and kids. Wait, have you actually done this? What? Married? I would say like I was sitting with my wife and kids and then... Oh, sometimes.

Yeah. Huh. Why do you do that? Because maybe I'm married. What is this? Sometimes I'm chilling with my wife and she'll be like, Yo tweet that. And then one day I want to show my kids the tweets and be like, When they old enough. Look at these guys.

Your wedding is going to be the first wedding I've ever attended. I know that. Ever in my life. Are there any tips I should know? You've worked at a wedding though. Say again? You've worked at a wedding though. Say again? You've worked at a wedding. Yeah, but that's not attending a wedding. A lot of people work at weddings, bro.

Oh, okay. Imagine if people serving food are like, oh, this is my fourth wedding I've attended. No, bro, you work at the wedding. No, it's not. And my mashed potatoes cold. Yes. You don't work, you don't attend a wedding if you're working at a wedding. I've never attended a wedding ever in my life.

Is there anything I should know beforehand? Are there things I should or shouldn't do? No, you, you, you, I mean, you'll be fine. Trevor, you've been to the Oscars and the Grammys, I think. Yeah, but that's not the same. Are you sure? Oh, goodness. Here we go. Oh, boy.

Do you panic when you have to go to events like that? Because a little bit of me is panicked for you. Why? Because of people. And I, and I know my people and I love my people but you must realize something else about a wedding is that those are not all your people. Oh they're not all your people. Yeah so you know it's funny you say that. So part of the reason I've never been to weddings is because I work too much. The other reason is people don't invite me to their weddings or people uninvite me because I'm me. So multiple brides have said, we don't want Trevor at our wedding.

Cause you can't have two brides. Well, there you have it. And so, look, he's already out here wearing the bridal collar. I mean, come on. No, literally people have said to me, they go, so then the husband will have to come and tell me, Hey man, uh, we're

getting married then well, congrats. When's the, and they're like, yeah, that's why I'm here to tell you. Uh, she asked that you don't come. And they're like, yeah, that's why I'm here to tell you. She asked that you don't come. And I'll be friends with both of them. And she's like, yeah, I just don't want Trevor there. And you know what? People don't understand.

I have a hard rule that I do not take photos at weddings with people, right? Because it's all about the couple. Please leave me out of it. No selfies. No selfies. Okay, would you be offended if I came in a disguise? Because it's all about the couple. Please, leave me out of it. No selfies. No selfies. Okay, would you be offended if I came in a disguise?

No, I'd actually be quite entertained. Because I was thinking about this the other day. Michael Jackson used to go out in full prosthetic makeup. And I was like, maybe I'll come as like an old man from somewhere. Just like make it interesting. And then people say, where's Trevor? He's here. Yeah, you just go like, he's here.

You didn't see him? He's here. I'll just put you at, he's here. You didn't see him? He's here. I'll just put you at my dad's table. Yeah, and I'll just be like, I can just be like some old man from Sam. Anelay, I've known her for many years. So exciting, Anelay. What a wife.

What a wonderful time. And they're like, who is this guy? I'll just be like the life of the party. That's actually a good idea. I'll be the life of the party. And then watch, as the evening progresses. No reveal. No reveal. No reveal. I just life of the party. And then what? As the evening progresses? No reveal. No reveal.

No reveal. I just rolled through your party. Just rumpled your toeskin. Jean Manuel. Oh yes, I've known Alile for many years. But do you not want to be seated around your friends? I do. But then people are going to be like, who's the random guy with kayak?

Jean Manuel, we've known him for years. That's all you got to say. You are one of those people where no one will wonder why you know a random French person. This is true. You've traveled the world. This is very true. You're close friends. There's shame.

There's a poor French person who's gonna get accosted at the wedding now. Everybody taking pictures. You're not gonna be taking pictures of this guy. And he's gonna be like, I don't know. And then they're like, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, let's have a picture, Trevor.

Trevor, don't be like that. Sean Manali! Oh boy, man, it's gonna be crazy. Um, well, the reason I invited you here, my friends, is I realized the other day we've never played a game of If I Rule the World together. If I rule the world. How does it work? Yes. You know what, I knew you were gonna want like the rules and I'm gonna have to break them down for you. Anelie will just play the game. Yeah. Because you're a normal human being. Sizue is a robot. So I have to explain this to you. It's if I rule the world, but don't think of it as like a you. It's not like a it's magic, but it's not magic. It's a thought exercise. So it doesn't need to make sense.

It's the hope, it's better if it doesn't make sense, but your motives need to make sense. And what you're trying to do is convince the other two people that your idea of the world should be implemented because you justify it. Do you get what I'm saying? 100%. All right, Sizwe go.

If I rule the world, all elections would be at the same time. All countries, it's like, yo man, elections on this day, same limit terms, and we all got elections and we vote and then we rule. Huh. There's more to this. I can add to it as we progress, but that's a start. Okay. So if you rule the world, everyone in the world would have their elections on the

exact same day, exact same time. Basically you don't be aligned. Yeah. My question that even countries that don't have elections, you would say, well, so, you know, you laugh, but she raises a very good point. What a random question. That was so great. No, no, no.

You raise a very good point. So when everybody else has elections, countries like... North Korea. ...Bikin Afar, so you just load your gun. That's the day you load your guns. OK. So if your exchange of power happens by violence, you're getting the popular of that day.

Oh, so you're not judging how they elect their leader. But you just want it to happen at the same time. Yes. But wait, wait But why? So that the person who comes into power comes to power with every other person and then you guys lead in unison. I like the idea but I'm worried about a few things. Okay first of all do you not worry that if we do this you could create a world where everything goes wrong at the same time. Because think, okay, let's look at the world right now, right? So Donald Trump won the election.

Before Donald Trump won, most or many countries in the world were swinging right, right? So in Canada, they were leaning right, the right-wing party was going to win. All over Europe, right-wing parties were going to win. Like this was everywhere. It was, you know, people were leaning right. Donald Trump wins, starts playing with the economy. I like this, he's playing right into my trap. Yeah. Okay, no. Why you setting traps?

What kind of friendship is traps? No, it's not a trap. So anyway, but no, no, no. But now, so everyone, and then what happened was people went, actually wait, we don't want that. Yes. We don't want that, so we're not gonna vote that way. And then Canada flipped the other way, right?

So the Liberal Party won, and then around the world, this started happening at other places. I think Australia had a similar outcome. So aren't you worried that if everyone votes at the same time, everything can go wrong at the same time? So you're 100% correct. That would happen. Or that does have a potential to happen.

Yeah. Right. But that's actually not a bad thing. That's a good thing. In fact, it's one of the mitigating factors of disaster because the greatest risk is inequality. Some of the greatest countries actually fail because they do so well while other countries are doing so poorly that people flock to these great countries. Then these countries get burdened.

Healthcare, everything really starts to fail because everybody's going there. If we're all failing, nobody's going to leave their country because where are you going? Like, it's boring. So every zone must be a war zone, right? And then that way...

That necessarily has to be war, but if the economy is tanking, it's tanking everywhere. I'm telling you there's going to be no 46 refugees going to the US. Because everyone's a refugee. Yeah. Everybody's going to stay at home and pull their own weight. Where we go? Let's just speak to the people. No, I don't think that argument holds water, because then I'd still go

want to go somewhere else for better weather. OK, yeah, you can go for better weather. Refugees don't travel for better weather. I don't know. OK, I understand. South Africans have changed the definition of refugees.. South Africans have changed the definition of refugees. South Africans really have changed the definition of refugees because before this refugees only went to another country because like they had to and they had no life. And their bags didn't have wheels. Our refugees they were dragging their luggage.

Normally refugees have baggage not luggage. This is very different. So, yes, I hear what you're saying, but I don't think people will travel for weather. But I do think Anelies writes about places still being better than other places. Yeah, so places will inherently be better than others. But you want to tank it all at once or win all at once. Well, the idea is not to tank anything. The idea is actually to progress all at once. Because now, here's my idea of the leadership, right? Okay, go. It's essentially the avengers of each region.

Let's speak about Africa, maybe, to start off with. Okay. When you look at the liberation of Africa from colonialism, Obviously it gets staggered, but majority of the good times happened between 1955, like maybe 1965. This is the good times for Africans or for the colonial powers? No, for Africans. Okay, okay. That's when most Africans get independence. But if you look at the people, they were at the helm of leadership at the time. You had the Kwame Nkrumahs, for example, in Ghana, you had Julius Nyerere in Tanzania, you had Kenneth Kaunda in Zambia, you had all those people, I mean, Ahatambo even, who wasn't

in South Africa but working for the ANC stationed in Lusaka, right? You need people to think in a similar fashion and then to help each other along the way like, yo, man, let's do this, let's do that. Because it doesn't help for Trevor to be like, okay, I'm holding down South Africa, things are maybe going okay here. And then Anelie is busy messing things up in Kenya. But how do you know that everything is going to stabilize at the same time as well because each different region is going to come up, come against different resistance?

100%. It won't stabilize the same time. But you will start working towards the goal at round about the same time. I do think there is some merit to this because if you think about every conflict and every negotiation that happens around the world, many of them are thrown off by a regime change

at the wrong time. Yes. Right? So, Israel-Palestine is a good example. Some of the most progress they ever made was thrown off by an Israeli election that all of a sudden there was a new leader who's like, actually everything you were agreeing to, I don't care about it and we're starting again. Trump is a great example. As America was, you know, Joe Biden was like, I'm doing this, I'm doing that.

And then even the other way, by way you know when Joe Biden when Joe Biden came in after Trump it throws everything off but what's to say that every it doesn't matter about the timing that we're all getting a new leader at the same time maybe I come in and I don't agree with what has been happening in this but what see you're saying is that you don't agree but it's just saying you don't agree at the same time at least yeah we all start so we just have elections it's not to say that just because we have elections, we're going to change. We may have elections that decide we keeping Anelie for another five years or

however long the term is, right? Also your people get to decide. So the majority wins, but winner takes all. Like the electoral college, right? So even if you win by 51%, now you got to be a dictator. The other 49 can go chop. Whoa, this is what you're adding to your thing. Yes.

That I agree with. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now you've got my attention. So if you win by 51%, now everybody's gotta roll with you. There's none of this every time you gotta put this thing to a referendum. You lost, bro. So now take your L, swallow these stones, let's go.

Hmm. Sometimes, and I think this was South Africa at times, that we just do need a little bit of a dictatorship. Just a little one. Not a big one. The electoral college works exactly that way. Not a big one. The electoral college works exactly that way. Come on Trevor, just a little dictatorship. Come on, just a tip. So you are all in on an election on one day and the winners take it all? Yes. I just want to throw one thing here just to confirm before I vote on your measure. So you are all in on an election on one day and the winners take it all? Yes. I just want to throw one thing here just to confirm before I vote on your measure.

Do the winners in your system have the right to say that there's no more elections going forward? No. Okay. Okay. Okay. What's the main thing that you think this will fix though? The progress will move a lot quicker and it will fix the idea of progress, well not necessarily progress but the timing issue.

A lot of what we have is also just the timing issue which you've already mentioned. Countries starting at a different time, wrong time. Yes, 100%. Yeah, we don't get to start negotiations at the same time. And also here's one very important factor that people don't consider. Each era requires a different type of leadership. But then who decides that it is now time for a different type of leadership? So I can only give you the opportunity the people actually decide.

So what will happen is on aggregate the people who elect the people that they think they need the most. Then I'll say, okay, this country has decided. This country can go left, that country can go right, but they're all gonna go wherever they need to go at that time. I'm not, you know, when you started I was... I was a solid no, but you are... I'm making sense! No, no, no, I mean, look, sense is the one thing you always make.

The thing I worry most about is like feasibility. But sense, yes. No, no, it's not feasible. You know, you're going to be the first person who's ever argued against themselves. I took myself out of the W. Let's go, let's go. Okay, so if you look at game theory. Game theory?

Yes. Basically, there are certain models that help us determine what human behavior is likely to tell us and do, right? So I'll use the stag theory for one. If us three decide that we're going to go hunting and we can either go hunting for a stag, if we get a stag, we are all going to eat. So much so that we're gonna be full and there's gonna be meat left over.

But the tools for us to be able to hunt a stag are very particular tools. When we leave the house, we need to decide. We take the stag tools. Yeah. Or we can all go hunt for rabbits. Now we, all three of us need to contribute to be able to get the stag.

But if you wanna go hunt a rabbit, you can do it by yourself. And you eat it by yourself. Yeah. You almost guarantee that you will catch a rabbit if you go hunt for a rabbit. Okay. But a rabbit will just feed you for maybe half a day. Then you go catch another rabbit. Yeah. But if we decide to get a stag and we catch a stag, wow we're gonna be chilling. It's bountiful. Yes. And so what does game theory suggest? What happens? Now we all start from different houses and we can't communicate which tools we're going to take.

We agree, yeah, that we're going to go hunt for a stag. Yeah. Then you go sleep at home. While you're sleeping, Trevor goes, I don't know, Caesar's really going to hunt for a stag with me. Because if I just go and hunt for a rabbit, I'm guaranteed I'm going to get it. However, if I think we're hunting for a stag and Caesar doesn't play with me we're all gonna starve. Humans because they act in their own best

interest will most likely all go for a rabbit. But is that true though is that how society if you think about it right think of tribes think of cultures think of everything that goes against game theory in a way no we hopeful so again between us three you may take it for a given that will all go hand for a stack yeah but obviously there's emotions involved with us we're all friends first i'm going to bring another guy we don't know he's a part of us now now you now there's a problem you see yes because it's a trusting it is a trust it's a trust thing. It is a trust thing. It's a trust thing. And that's how society works. Okay, but now let's bring it back to it. So why do you think that'll hurt your voting system? Because inevitably it means that this system will break down at some point. And what do you think will break down in it?

I, as the monarch, may give an instruction and these prime ministers or presidents may go against my instruction. No, you rule the world. You're thinking too hard. No, but they may go... No, no, no, no, you rule the world. You can't doubt yourself, bro. Look at royal families. No, no, I'm not doubting myself. I'm doubting humans actually. And it is not convinced yet. I'm not, I'm absolutely not convinced. You are starting to make sense now about humans acting in self-interest. And this is why I don't think your theory would work.

It's because sooner or later, people like power. No one's going to want to let go of power, regardless of what other countries are doing. And actually, that's when we will start fighting with other countries. That's how world wars happen, because we just start fighting with other countries, because we don't agree on how we should all be doing things. So tell me, how do you think you can work with this? Because I'm also looking for another way to mitigate this idea. I can't work with it. It doesn't work at all. Okay, to say it doesn't work at all, come on. No, it doesn't work.

No, but wait, but wait, wait, wait. Even the broadcaster in me is like, CNN can't keep up with all these elections at the same time, Ceeze. But that's a good thing. What do you mean that's a good thing? We don't care about the broadcasters. This is about democracy. Well, like, I can't believe that you literally just went, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. And if anything, I know that the world is at stake. But guys, what about CNN?

Yes! You literally brought CNN, you brought CNN up. We're talking about the fate of the world. Yes, because somebody has to report on it, guys. No, why? Because somebody has to know what's happening. Why? How are these countries going to know?

Hold on, let me get her. No, but wait. You know who will's happening. Why how are these countries? Let me get it. No, but you know, you know who covered these elections. They'll be covered locally. Yes By who but by the 947 or the world? No, but guys but guys also we are people you have to know what's happening The other countries these way. No, we don't actually you can just take this this is a beauty This is the beauty of the system every country takes care of its own. You know what sees was doing Yes, but how would you know if the other countries are sticking to the rules? So Arnele, can I tell you what CSU is doing? As you both know, I'm a big fan of football, as Americans say, soccer.

And on the final day of the Premier League in England, a lot of leagues do this around the world. What they started doing is they started saying that every game on the final day is played at the exact same time. So every other week games are staggered so that you can watch all the games and you can see who won, who lost and then you play the next game. But what they realized at some point was on the final day, there are teams who will play a certain way because they already know a result has gone in a direction that suits them.

Oh! You see. So they will go, if we win this game, our rivals who are playing another game actually benefit. So we should lose this game to hurt our rivals because they're in a lower position on the table than we are. So then they realize, no, every game was played exactly the same time so that you don't know how your fate is going to affect the other or be affected by the other. Oh, the bookies must hate that. I mean, I think they love it actually, because it's chaos. Bookies love chaos. Right? But the thing it's done to Caesar's point is it's made it that everyone just has to focus on their game. You can't play your game based on another game. And so what Caesar is basically saying is you shouldn't have your election in your game based on another game. And so what Cesar is basically saying is, you shouldn't have your election in your country

based on another country. And in fact, let's be honest, let's think about it. America has an outsized influence on other countries' elections, but they don't really have an outsized influence on the effect inside your country. Do you get what I'm saying? There are many countries in the world who will vote a certain way because of the vibe that America's putting out. And that may not be in the best interest of the country

if they voted blindly. An example, you won't be able to be like, oh, we saw what happened with Brexit. What do we think in America? No, it's like it's all happening at once. We all walk out of our doors the next day and we're like, how? You did that.

And now we're in. So that's what he's saying. And now we're in. Okay. So that's, that's what he's saying. Any more questions? No. Cause I've got so many more answers. I mean, I don't. How long have you been thinking about this? About ruling the world.

Yeah. Sizzu wakes up every day thinking this. Every single day, Sizzu. Sizzu asks himself, he goes like, why don't I rule the world? That's what he asks himself every day when he wakes up. That's what he's asking Chachibit. That's every day. Chachibit asks him. Chachibit asks him. Why don't I rule the world? That's what he asked himself every day when he wakes up. That's what he's asking. That's every day. You know us too don't have Chachi BT?

Really? I believe that because you are Chachi BT. Why would an AI use an AI? I've always felt like it's cheating. Yeah, because you're an AI. Just yo man, what happened to intrinsic knowledge? Just work with what you got, bro. No, bro. I feel like people are doping now. Where did you get it, this knowledge?

From a book. Yeah, but this is like a book. So that's Shaji BT. But it's not an open book test. See this guy- That's life, bro. Study before the test. Yo, don't get distracted by this guy.

Are you ready to vote? Yeah. So we're voting. I vote for Sizwe's amendments. Do I get to vote? No, you're you. You can't vote. Well, it's gonna be a stalemate then? No, you're you. You can't vote. Well, it's gonna be a stalemate then.

Yeah, then you lose. That's how it works on this show. You didn't say that! Is that your eye rule the world? No. That's how it works. No, man. No, that is exactly how it works. Why? Let me clean my face some more. No, no, no, no, no.

No, no. I'm pretty... I just need more explanations maybe. Just like on a granular level. Okay, explain to me how this idea is worse than what we currently have. She wants CNN to be able to cover... You lost to Anelie when you said CNN can't cover elections. The broadcaster in her got so hurt. Because you make it seem like it's going to be so easy, things are going to happen and then it's going to be smooth sailing. But as we've seen with countries and elections, it is really the most tumultuous time of any country.

And Cezue wants it tumultuous all at once. I'm not saying everything is going to be solved by this. I'm just saying it's just a better system than what we currently have. That's all it is. I'm not saying we're not going to solve every problem with this. Dude, there are plenty of problems. But it definitely is an improvement from what we have. Cesar's basically saying, you know, sometimes you go to a party and then people get drunk

at different times in the night. Cesar's like, everyone's getting drunk at the same time. You're all getting wasted at the, if there's a fight, everyone's fighting. I hate that I'm now convinced using a drunk theory. Because she knows there's gonna be a moment where there's peak enjoyment for everybody. Yes! Or peak chaos. Yeah.

Because you see, the other argument is, if you go to a party and people get staggered, it is nice to have a few sober people to be like, hey man, you've had too much. And then other people to be drunk and make the party move. Exactly. That's where Anile is. But hold on, so let me explain that, right?

So let's say it goes peak chaos, right? You know what's worse than peak chaos? Staggered chaos. You think so? Yes. Try to break up a fight here and then as soon as you're done breaking up this fight, then another one breaks out. Then another one breaks out. Rather there's one huge fight, then when the guys are done,

you go, okay, now let's go clean the blood. So when everyone has killed each other? Yes, essentially. That is peak chaos. Guys, it's not possible for everybody to kill each other. Okay, one person will be standing. The weak die. If anything, this theory just gets better and better.

I might want to go back and change my vote. I'm voting against it. You're voting against it? No, I'm voting against it. Alright, Ciswe. No, sorry. But why are you voting against it? No, exactly that.

The weak die. Ciswe, that's... Oh! You've got an allegiance to weakness now. Is that what you're saying? No, but I'm just saying that you cannot have a chaotic system everywhere in the world. So everywhere, there's war, everywhere there's fighting. That's a worst case scenario. It will never happen like that.

No, but that's not how the game works. You can't be like, well, you know, on the best case scenario, it must happen like that. It's unlikely to happen like that because this theory is based on majority ruling. And generally, people are scared of the majority. Yes, but once again, the majority themselves can also fight amongst each other. So you thinking that just because the majority rules and it's going to be fine, nothing's going to happen. But now once we're done winning and now we are the 51%

that then becomes 100% in charge of everything. We're're gonna start fighting inside that 51% because inherently humans want power sounds like you're still a no no wait forget you still haven't explained to me how the status quo is better at mitigating that than my system though as in what's currently happening now no that wasn't my job to explain that i know i know things are not going well but your system is definitely not better sorry way better sorry see this is how it works you're a hater but it's fine all that matters okay well see I'm sorry I'm familiar with the feeling you have right now I Shit's change, shit's change, okay? Shit's change. Alright. Oh man.

Okay well, Sisu, I'm sorry. I'm familiar with the feeling you have right now. I've never won in If I Rule the World. Yeah, because your ideas were just horrible. Who's the hater now? I'm just saying. My ideas are great. We're gonna continue this conversation right after this short break. Lizzie, are you yours? Okay. Anelie. If I ruled the world, I have to actually have two.

I know I always have two. So the other one. Just pick your best one. Okay, my best one. If I ruled the world, everyone, and I mean everyone, would have to live 10 minutes from where they work. Max. Max. 10 minutes by car, by train, by bus, by walking, by...

By everything. So I find that every single country has to have such a great public service transport system that it doesn't matter where you work, but you have to live 10 minutes away. Have to live 10 minutes. So no one can live more than 10 minutes away. Well, if you want to, that's really up to you. But I just feel that life would be easier

if everyone's commute to work was shorter. I mean, I'm with you. No, but now you're giving us like a, like an easy system. Oh, so well. In theory it makes sense, but it's not practical at all. Oh really? No.

Since when did you come in? I want to know more the whys. Let's let's go to the whys before we before we. So why? Because I find that most people and and this is obviously not the high echelon that can take helicopters to work. Right. All done to them. But I find that most people who are just working, middle class people

who are just working, which is most of the world, they're spending so much on getting to work that it literally then cuts your budget in terms of things that you could do for your family. Okay. Yeah. No, 100% correct. Ideally, is that no one should be spending any money to get to work. Not even money, just the time. Okay, wait, wait. Are you saying time time or money? Both Galoku, time is money. Have you never worked the streets? That is funny. Have I never worked the streets? Yes. My time is a gigolo. Of course. Time is money. I don't think time matters to me as much as the money. Where you should not have to pay anything to get to work. So which one are you going for? Are you charging are are you amending your 10 minute rule

to a money thing? I'm not putting it in the front line. That is funny. It's there in the list of things. No, but I need to know what your rule is, so I can move forward. You said I can't have two rules. No, but I just need to know what the rule is.

You rule the world. You rule the world, so I just need to know what the rule is. Please can I help her fix her world? No, wait, don't mansplain her world, Sizwe. No, I'm not mansplaining. You rule the world. So I just know what the rule is. Okay. Therefore, okay. Please can I help her fix her world? No, wait. Don't mansplain her world, Sizwe. No, I'm not mansplaining.

You are. She's mansplaining her world. I'm just trying to help. No, you're mansplaining her world. I want to hear what Anile's world is. That you should not have to pay to go to work. Anile, just make a rule, a world where people teleport to work. This guy's mansplaining her world.

No. No, I'm not mansplaining it. Just have them teleport to work. Anile, don't let him pressure you. It's like distance and time doesn't matter. No, but isn't teleporting like the stuff that only happens in the movies. It's your world. You go like this and you're at work.

It's your world. No, that's no, I don't want that. Okay, so. You must have some sort of commute. Okay, so you want people to commute. There must be some sort of commute. I'm drilling down on this. So I like this. So you don't want to eliminate the commute.

Yeah. Okay. But you don't want people eliminate the commute. Yeah. Okay. But you don't want people to spend more than a certain amount. So does the time- No, they must have spent any money. No money. Yeah.

Time? 10 minutes max. Okay, so 10 minutes and no cost. Yeah. Whew. Okay, that's fine then. That works. This is as good as teleporting.

Okay, now here's what I worry about. What are you going to do when your cities and systems grow to the point where it can't sustain because like you can only you can only do that. I'm asking it as a question. Sizwe, it's a question Sizwe. Then you transfer to another company guys, where you're doing the same thing. So I've got to move now. You see now you falling apart. No I'm not falling apart. Yeah but Cezue has raised a good question. Yeah. What you're moving us now to another place where

we're 10 minutes away. Ask your question again so I can see. I interrupted you while you asked your question. At some point, just you're going to reach capacity. It's inevitable, right? Because at some point, a city has to expand. It cannot go up forever. Even if it did, your elevators would now, you know what I mean? Your elevator would be your commute. Okay, so at some point, the city has to expand. There's going to be some sort of sprawl. Once that happens, people are now outside of the distance that you've set or the pricing that you've set. So you then said people must now do what? So what, people are gonna move out because-

I'm asking you. I don't make the rules in your world. I just wanna know what you're doing. No. Cause now, okay. No, but now you guys are asking things that that doesn't make sense you've been to Brazil Yes, I have Sao Paulo Sao Paulo. Have you seen the traffic in Sao Paulo? No, I didn't it wasn't if one weekend so I didn't get to experience any of the hardships of the traffic

Oh, I've experienced Legos traffic though. Oh Legos. Okay, Sao Paulo In Kenya, no, let me tell you something. No, forget this. You see like Kenya in the afternoon, there's places I've been to where there's only traffic. Like it's just perpetual, perpetual. And most of those places are densely populated. And there's just no way for there to not be any type of LA even. Yeah, then you should be allowed to say, okay, guys, no one's allowed to move to LA anymore. Okay, now somebody somebody else they move somewhere else. So you're shutting cities down? Yes, we're done here We've reached maximum capacity. So my family can't move here now. Well if your family wasn't in from the beginning That's it because we also have to affect in the fact that people in here are gonna have families. What happens if you get married miss wife?

Yes, when you are inside here, this is it. So your marriage, your partner, you could only meet people from your city then. There we go. Highly incestuous. Yeah, once we're in here, we're in here. Once we're in, we're in. Once you're in here, you're in here, okay? And Mr. Economist over here, you must do that thing with this, like a little bit of fat. You have room for fat. Okay. You have room for fat. And then it's like, okay, if there are five million people in here, let's allow that. It can grow too.

It can grow too. You know, you know what's funny is, and I mean, this is something I love about like all policies and ideas in the world. This started as a very liberal, beautiful idea. Yes. And then reality sets in. And then it slowly moved into like a nationalist dictatorship. Yeah, like... Which I'm not a fan of. That's how cities are formed, generally, really. Yeah, but they don't say you can't move in and you can't move. No, no, no, they don't say that.

I mean, that's an extreme... Yes, you can definitely move out. To where? The other cities are also full. No, well, no. I mean, that's an extreme. Yes, you can definitely move out. To where? The other cities are also full. No, well, they're not. All of them are full. Why are they not full? Why are they not full? Job is a job.

Yes. So we go there and y'all people must start developing, making some... So you're going to see people... No, you're placing a huge burden on us right now. How much less than the burden that we placed on one city? I'm sorry. I think I'd rather be in traffic for an hour. They too have to fix the car.

Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So, okay, here's a question. What if you're like a taxi driver or an Uber driver? You work in transportation. So now you're limiting how much people can earn from that drive or that distance. From the distance. Yeah.

Yes, but that means you guys are always going to be busy. Oh, but just doing a lot of- Yeah, yeah. How are we going to be busy. Oh, but just doing a lot of. Yeah, yeah. You just. How are we going to be busy? Instead of doing 10 trips. No, instead of doing 10 trips that are 50Ks and 80Ks. Yeah. You're going to do a hundred 10K trips guys. You guarantee payment. Who's paying us instead that you're free? Yes. Who's paying us? So the government is paying? I'm in charge.

Okay. I'm paying for it. Okay. So you government pays for transport. Yes. It doesn't matter what the transport is. So you've got enough money to do this? Yes. Okay. No. Why don't you just give people money? Why do we need to work? No, no, no. government pays for transport doesn't matter what the transport is. You got enough money to do this. Yes. Okay, no. Why don't you just give people money? Why do you need to do this? No, no, no, that's not how it works.

No, no, no, Caesar, that's not how it works. If I rule the world, you can't say why don't they do another rule. Okay. So I have a question for you. Your government is paying everyone for transport. What if people then, so I'll tell you a little fun story that happened. This happened in Nigeria. Uber, the company we're all familiar with, went

from country to country, trying to grow its operations. One of the things it did that was particularly ingenious and sinister at the same time was they gave incentives to drivers in all of these countries to drive for Uber by giving them bonuses. So they said, if you take, if you agree to drive for Uber by giving them bonuses. So they said, if you agree to drive for Uber and you pick somebody up from, let's say an

airport where we really need drivers, we'll give you a bonus. So we'll give you like double the amount of the fare that it would normally be. And they went and they did this in almost every country. Is that sustainable? It's not supposed to be. The only thing they were trying to do is establish themselves in the markets and get a stranglehold on it so that like taxis and all these other industries wouldn't be able to compete. Exactly. So they get crowded out, right? Now it worked in most places. In Nigeria, however,

Nigerian taxi drivers and Uber, like people who had cars, they did the calculation and realized they did the calculation and realized that they could make money but not really have to drive anybody. So what Uber drivers in Nigeria did was they signed up to be Uber drivers. They then called themselves from the airport, picked up nobody from the airport, drove themselves back into the city and then got the bonus amount which was which paid for the gas yes and then they then they took themselves back to the airport to get another fare that was a bonus because if it's a bonus then you just living off the bonus and they were making so much money doing this that uber canceled the scheme for the whole world basically

so brah kudos to Nigeria all the time because uber was scamming and then Nigeria's like you want to scam? You want to scam? We're going to show you something. And Nigeria taught Uber a lesson. Now, I'm not saying that will or won't happen, but what I worry about in your system is you're saying transport is free. How are you going to ensure that like the people who are doing transport don't just transport for the sake of transport now? Because you're working with people who are working right so it is it is the owners is also on the person who's been transported to show where they're working. It's like a school bus. You have to prove. Yes, yes. Remember when you were a kid. So you have to prove to your taxi driver that you're going to a job. But all of that will be

factored in by companies. It's much like companies will subsidize things. You know how companies subsidize things or you have a company car or company petrol car and you must write how far you went. That's fine, that's all admin. File that all under admin. It seems like a very admin heavy system you've created. What world isn't?

No, but like yours is like particularly. Yes, but you're getting free transport. I don't think you should mind clogging in when you're getting free transport. I'm doing you a favor here. When you started. Yeah. Like most ideas. It sounded like a good idea. It was really beautiful. As we've gone down this journey, I'm picturing living in Anil's world. You get out of your house and then you get into your transports, you clock in. Transport has proof of work, please. Yes. Proof of work.

What if you're just going like fun places? Then pay for yourself. Oh, this is interesting that you've said this. That's your recreational thing. Okay, so now, I don't know that this is true, but what might happen, and our AI colleague over here will confirm or deny, I think what might happen is if your system pays for people to go to work, but people have to pay for themselves to go to like entertainment. First of all, you have to prove that the people for work are going there, not for entertainment, but also the market for entertainment could become more valuable than the work markets.

the market for entertainment could become more valuable than the work markets. And then people would go, I only want to drive for the entertainment market, not for the work market. Like if I'm a taxi driver and I get paid by the government to drive people to work, but then Cezue wants to go to the club. Now I go, Cezue, I already have a fare. It's taking this person to work. Cezue goes, I'll pay you double because I'm paying. In all fairness though to defend an LA system you live 10 minutes away from work even if there are no cars taking you to work walk to work. Yeah but that can't be a 10 minute walk guys I don't know if you know how transportation

works. No she said 10 minutes she didn't say 10 minutes walking or driving. Yes but it can't be the same it can't be 10 walk 10 do you use Google Maps every time you change them it's gonna change. Okay 10 walking. Don't change it because if you say 10 would don't let him trap you no no this was never asked of me this would be the first time I'm giving exactly so it's 10 walking oh it's 10 walking so the whole city is 10 walking yeah your whole city's 10 walking yeah okay but don't get distracted from the entertainment point that you know I want to go back now to 10 walking so So now we walk to work. Everyone. And we drive to party.

Everyone works 10 minutes from. Yeah. What if I don't want to live where my work is in that way? That's fine. She said that's fine. That's up to you. If you want to move further away. You opted out. So for instance, once again, let's say you have a company car allowance of $30,000, right? And you're just like, no, I don't want to drive a Prius I want to drive an X5 that's great you're still gonna get your 30,000 from us but everything else you can then top yourself up right so we're saying here there's something we're missing here everyone works 10 minutes I'll be a business person in this world and I'm gonna make gazillions how you

gonna do it I've just thought of so many loopholes but carry on. No this is why. This is why I can look at you as poke-poles. No it's not a wrong thing. Keep your word. I'll just make money in your word. I've never, you know, I've never encountered somebody like this. This guy is not even trying to like help.

He's going. He's gonna actually vote for me. He's gonna vote for you. Yeah. So that he can make money in a theoretical way. Sisu, there's something truly wrong with you. So, okay, all I worry about, Anelie, is... I can see the system crumbling somehow.

Because 10 minutes for everyone means somebody's not where they want to be 10 minutes from. Because not everyone can be 10 minutes from... No, no, no, I'm saying they can't be. Even if they want to be. You reach capacity at some point. Yes, but I told you, then it goes to another place. Then we build there. And then so that we can create a hundred new...

But my friends are here. You make friends. Excuse me, you left us in South Africa. I didn't leave you. I didn't leave you, Anelie. I didn't leave you. Don't be like your friends. We were your friends when we were here. I didn't leave you, Anelie. No!

No! I didn't leave you. Guys, there was a white genocide in this country. I'm half white. And I'm light skinned. I'm half white, guys. I had to choose. I wasn't sure what you guys were going to do with me. What I'm saying is, it's... Perhaps what I'm saying is, you have to go and create I love the sentence.

a lot of Johannesburgs, a lot of Lagoses. You're making many cities. New Yorks and all of that. You can't just bank on the fact that only one city is the one that's going to take all of the strain. Everybody's gonna flock to the city. Develop other cities so that we can all be like that. I'm ready to vote.

I'm also ready to vote. I'll be very lenient on you. No don't be. No I mean. I'm not your charity case. I'll drive you to it. Look I know what you mean well, so I'll adopt it. What this guy wants to make money in your 50s. This guy's so transparent.

After we vote, I want to know how he's going to make money for my sister. But after we vote, so you're voting for me. Yeah, I vote. I really can't believe this guy. Thank you. What are you doing? I genuinely can't believe this. He's asking CHRGBT.

I genuinely compliment you. If my way of ruling the world is viable, trust me. It's not about viability. I just can't believe Caesar is going to vote. Yes, because he wants to make business in a fictitious world. So I'm going to vote no. Why? The reason I'm voting no, I love, I love the sentiment. I love the feeling behind your idea, by the way, because I agree with you. I think it's unfair that some people spend a disproportionate amount of their income on getting to work and getting back from work, because then they're not

reaping the benefits of work the same way somebody who lives close to work does. So the idea behind it. The benefits of their salary, bro. Yeah, that's what I mean. That's what I mean. The benefits of it. Like we both earn a thousand, but I spend 500 getting to and back from work means you have more of your thousand than I do.

Your sentiment, I'm completely for. As is often the case on if I rule the world, it's not that we disagree with the sentiment. It's the rollout. the rollout that worries us. I Worry that if you create a hard rule of 10 minutes from work Very quickly we reach capacity very quickly people as you said get kicked out to go and have to build new cities somewhere else Yeah, I think this creates an imbalance now If I remove the 10-minute rule, are you saying you're willing to amend it and say in your world? Yeah. I think this creates an imbalance now. If I remove the 10 minute rule. Are you saying you're willing to amend it and say in your world,

just no one would pay to go to work? Exactly. So if you have if what you were saying is if you if all get paid a thousand dollars, right? Yeah, no one gets no one pays to go to work. Yes. In your world. Yes. And it doesn't matter what type of work. I can vote yes for that. Yeah, that's a yes.

That's a clean yes. Okay, thank you. It's definitely a better world than what we have now. No, no, no, I vote yes for that. Thank you. Well done, Anelie. Congratulations. Thank you.

My word. It's such a moment. It is funny. It really is. Well done. Why do I win? No, you just, you've won. Oh. What you've won is that you've won.

I thought that was just like a tangible prize. Don't go anywhere, because we got more What Now after this. Let's hear your one. There you go. We're going to be taking a poo and something. Wow, this is how you see me. It's definitely something like hey your thoughts are this while you take a shower. Can I just go back to your other if I rule the world before you present? I don't think that's Just give him this one. So if I ruled the world, nobody would know who their child was.

What? Wait, wait, let me explain. Oh damn! So wait, if I ruled the world... No! Listen, listen, listen, listen. I told you. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I'd rather I'll push between us. No, you guys, you know what guys, so if I rule the world, yeah, no one would know who their child is. So what I mean by this is we would develop a system where you could still have sex, everyone would do their thing, everyone would do their thing.

In our world, what would happen is when you are ready to be pregnant, you would come to like the ministry of pregnancy and there's no qualifications, no nothing, no money, no nothing. We'd even come to you, it's not a transport thing, you can apply online. If you don't have internet, we'll help. Whatever. Don't worry about all those things. But you come to us, you say like, we want to have a child.

We approve you. There's no questions or anything. We approve you. And then, we impregnate the woman. And then you have the child. But now the child can come from anywhere. So you could have a white baby. You could have a Chinese baby.

It doesn't matter. But it just comes from you. So you could have a white baby, you could have a Chinese baby, it doesn't matter. But it just comes from you. A baby good at math. Yeah, your baby just comes out, swabba! And then that's, but nobody knows where the baby did or didn't come from. And there's no way to find out in my world. There's no DNA testing, there's no none of that.

Do you have parents in your world? No, no, yeah, it's the same way we live now. It's the people who went to us for the baby. Nobody knows who their kid is, is what I'm saying. Like nobody. Okay. Nobody. Not outrageous.

What is it that you're hoping to achieve with this? One, I can see obviously the supply of kids will even be evenly distributed, which is fine. Okay, so there's a few things, a few things. Number one, the most important thing is I think while admirable in its initial idea, I don't think bloodlines are as important as we think they are. I agree. Okay. When we were starting off farming and all of this, that's really where you can trace a lot

of like the ideas of marriage that we have like now. You can trace it back to that. People started farming and then all of a sudden it became more important to build out the people who are going to be farming with you and owning that farm with you. So then you went, well, who are my offspring? Before that, a lot of tribes just were like, yeah, man, babies are babies. They're the babies of the tribe. It's everyone's baby. Now you're like, no, but it's my farm.

Who gets my farm? Who works on it? My children from my wife, women, but it's my farm. Who gets my farm? Who works on it? My children from my wife. Women were property, children were property. I think we've kept a lot of that. And I think what it's created is a world where people now think of what should or shouldn't be done in the world based on who is or isn't connected or related to them.

Now I don't think people are evil. I just think this is a natural evolution of human beings. So white people will team up with white people, black people might be forced to team up with black people because they haven't really been given an option. So we don't know what black people will or won't do, you know, for the most. We haven't really seen in the world. But what I would love to see is a world where it sort of disentangles your parents and your bloodline from your opportunities or not in life. And I think it could create a world where people are less tied to my kids, because your kid could be like anywhere in a weird way. You might even

bump into someone and be like, yo man, you look exactly like me. Okay, that's the weird part, but otherwise I agree with everything you say. So that's like one part of it. And then the other part, the reason I say like applications for being pregnant is because, because we'd be leading in science and stuff. I think a lot of people struggle to get pregnant and they fight. And there's a lot of people who don't struggle at all. They just meet each other on one random night and now they have a kid. They didn't wanna have the kid.

Now the kid lives a life that it doesn't need to. So I'm trying to create a system where the ones who want, get, the ones who don't want, don't have. And then we just like mix it up and we spin things around and it's random. Do you know what I mean? There was a tribe like that somewhere in Africa. So I'm not gonna say where, but,

and it kind of took away the pressure around when a couple cannot conceive, right? It's like, oh, you know, I'm barren or you know, you're infertile and all of that. Whereas it would be hot in this big village, like you were saying. And just every night, people, a man would go and then on the door, no, this is kind of occupied type of thing, right? And we just all, we have intercourse with each other because we're a tribe and if people are pregnant, like you say, you give birth and the baby belongs to the tribe.

The baby doesn't belong to the parents. Yes. And I think, I'm not sure maybe there's a little culture. If you are having issues to conceiving as a child, your brother must step in. Wait, really? Not must. Not must. No, no, no, no, no. I mean, there's something called ungena.

Right. So ungena is. Which means to get in. Yeah. Yes. But essentially what it means is let's say, for example, Anelie was married to my brother. Yeah. Right.

And my brother either passed away or wasn't able to have kids for whatever reason, right? Then Anela can just come into my household. Wow. Because the child would still be a lonely family. Right? So that, so there we go. So that's why I'm saying I don't hate. Obviously not every family practices this.

No, no, but yeah. I think it's a great idea. This is why I'm saying I don't hate your idea because it's exactly that. We've just gotten to a place where people are very individualistic, like everything's about me. I mean, I'm an individual. It's my wife, my children, my cause, my husband, all of that. But back then with this tribe, and I'll have to research it because I did read up about

it, is that what they knew is that this child is of the tribe. So this child just belongs here. And what I also want is in my dream world, I'm sure there would be a few problems that might be introduced. I don't know what they'd be. Sizwe will tell me, but. Your dream world would be like Japan, but carry on. No, no, no, no. I, what I'd love to do is it would be, cause culture would still be a thing, obviously,

but tying race to outcomes, I think would be greatly diminished. So there would be a Kosa Chinese kid now, cause it to outcomes, I think, would be greatly diminished. So there would be a Xhosa Chinese kid now. Because it's like, yeah, you're just Xhosa. And the thing I like about culture in that way versus like race is that you can opt into culture in a way that you can't with race. You can marry into a Xhosa family. You can marry into a Zulu family. You can, you get what I'm saying?

You can adopt a culture in a way that you can't with race, because race is exclusionary. It's like, this is your race, buddy. This is how you're born. Evermore. This is you. Not only this is you, we are saying that this is you forever. You know, you are Indian, you are Chinese, you are black, you are this, you are this, you are this. But with culture, you'd be able to be like, oh, no, no, no, I am, I am whatever. I like what your idea aims to achieve. I worry that human nature would just mean that more people opt out of being parents. Oh, interesting. Say more.

So for the same reason that you mentioned, there's actually no other reason to be a parent except the selfish reason. Okay. There's no other reason. So people speak of legacy. People speak about about I want to carry on my bloodline, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to see myself in this kid and they'll have none of that in your world. And so what I think they'll eventually do is they'll just be like, hey, you guys can raise other people's kids if you want. I'd rather keep my

money for myself and my wife and I'm out. Yeah, but they're gonna die out at some point and then the money goes somewhere people die anyway no no but think about it I hear you yeah but my response to them would be yes you're then you're gonna die out and who are you gonna leave the money to yeah people don't care it happens now anyway but that's fine because that means that then they would die out as people and their money would end up coming to the children of everyone. But the issue is not the money, the issue is about people not having kids.

Don't you think it would average out though? Because in any society there are people who want, there are people who don't want. But the law of averages dictates that... I don't believe it would average out. You don't think so? You don't think... Looking at human nature and just look at... I use Japan for a reason, right? Yes, go. Because in Japan the birth rate has been decreasing. Yeah. Steadily over the last 20 years. Okay. Right? And that's not even

because of anything but just because the Japanese government told them not to have as much sex. Don't procreate as much. And then people went so far there that it's at a point where the Japanese government's like, yeah, yeah, hold on, hold on, maybe start having more. But now the behavioral patterns have changed. Yeah, completely. So this is my, I'm not saying, I don't know, I can't say for certain,

but I do believe human nature would cause people not to wanna raise other people's kids. Now, my counter argument to you is, yes, Japan's population is declining, Africa's is increasing. So if we average it out over the whole world, Japan is going down, Africa's going up. Yeah, but Africans are raising their own kids.

No, yeah, but everyone would be raising their own kids in my world. It's just- No. No, they come from inside you, they're your kids. Hmm. Come on. Wow. As the only person here who has a child, right? That you know of?

Mia sees what could be, you don't know? No, no. He's got a secret family, you don't know? No. Me and Nanyeli are sitting on one side for a reason. Yeah. Okay. Okay. There is something about raising a child and then they do something or they say something

and that for that split moment you're just like, oh my word, that is so me or that is so your dad, right? And I don't think you'd be able to have that. And that little 1% of that that happens makes the other 99% of parenting worth it. Because parenting isn't fun. I'm glad you said that. Thank you. Parenting is just not fun. It's a lot of stress. It's a lot of anxiety and everybody who's a parent is acting like they're okay, but we're not. Okay. Thank you, Anelie. Thank you for this. This is a truthful moment, everyone. Is it beautiful? Yes. That one, it's almost like training for the comrades or training for marathons.

Yeah. Or training for whatever it is, is that you're going to train for years and years. And then that moment of glory when you get that Olympic medal, that's 30 seconds on the podium, your flags up. Well done. Off you go and you go and train for the rest of the time is torture. Yeah, for the rest of the time. Okay.

It's absolute torture. It's absolute torture. And in under your ruling, your world, you taking away the 1% that makes the rest of it worth it Okay, I hear you but you wouldn't know the 1% in in my world because nobody yeah Yeah, you might you don't know because remember it's a lottery. What's the incentive to have a child in your world? People want children all the time. For what? They just eat your money, they're in your space. No, for real. Because we started off by saying there's only selfish reasons to have kids. Yes, but what I'm saying is... Now you've taken away the selfish reason. People only have kids for selfless reasons. Yeah. People,

there are people all over the world right now. Yeah. Banging down the doors of clinics, trying to get children. Yes. Right? This is... Throughout time, people clinics trying to get children. Yes, right. This is Throughout time people have tried to get children people want children So the reason I think people would still want children is because to your point Children are terrible But they're meaningful. You know what I mean? So no, no, no So listen, we've had the experience with you. You have given us the experience, like before you had your son, I can unequivocally say I had zero interest in raising a young human being. These things were terrible and there was no need for them

to be in my life. Then you made one. I was introduced to him. We've spent time with him. Then I was like, wow, what a beautiful journey, watching him evolve, watching him grow. Because your entire life is like the 1%. Yeah, but no, no, no, I get that. But my point is still, because I've seen that, I'm now more amenable to it. You get what I'm saying?

So I'm saying people will still want to have kids because having children and raising children brings so much meaning and purpose to life that people would still want to do it. Okay so look at it as it is now. And I think maybe you can tell me if I'm wrong because I've never been pregnant nor do I ever plan to be. The experience of it for many women I've been told is some have a terrible one but others will tell you it's the most empowering and beautiful and the feeling and the life inside of you and the so I don't know I think some women would

Be like I do like being pregnant. I love being pregnant There you go. I really so in my world my pregnant my pregnancy was easy That's another thing but I liked it and you could eat what you want to know and judges you and yeah You see and you can get the line. The statement isn't complete. Why would she like being pregnant if you're gonna snatch the baby away from me? After all, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no no no no I'm not doing it that way and I'm not taking anyone's babies away I'll never do that to people what do you mean nothing she's not gonna get to raise the baby no you are I mean septic baby what he's saying is that when it's time to get pregnant you go to yes you come to us and then

we impregnate we impregnate yes yes no but not not anonymous sperm bank it is necessarily your husband or your partner's sperm. Yes. Yes. No, but not anonymous sperm bank. It is. No. Hey. So I would know who the dad is. Hey, don't undermine my, this is terrible branding. It's a sperm bank.

Hey, hey, it's not a sperm bank because the embryos are also coming from someone else. Then the guys are going to opt out. So I'm just opting in as an oven. I had no. So she's raising her kid, I'm raising a random. No, wait, wait. No, even the embryo. So all I'm being used is the oven, but I had no say in what went into the recipe.

No, guys. OK, so I'm going to... You know, whoever shouted that shit from the peanut gallery. Yeah, we were doing so well here. Ah, yeah, yeah. No, we were. This is why branding. This is why branding. This is why branding. This is why branding is so important. In my world, it's really going to be a beautiful experience.

So you will come to the Ministry of Insemination. We're going to call it the Ministry of Life actually. It sounds like a cult now, but chaos. the Ministry of Insemination. We're gonna call it the Ministry of Life, actually. It's sounding like a cult now, but chaos. The Ministry of Life, you will come there. And we will be part of celebrating this thing that you wish to achieve, which is creating life. And it'll be like a honeymoon. It's sounding like a cult. We'll give you champagne and caviar,

everything that you want. You spend a wonderful night together. On that night, you know what I mean? We're gonna set the scene, create the vibes. Everyone in the world is getting caviar. Yeah. Forget that. How does she get it?

Wait, she's on, she's listening right now. I'll handle you afterwards. Let me do one at a time here. So Anizi, you come there, everyone gets champagne, everyone gets caviar. Luther Vandross is playing, Babyface, Babyface is playing. Everyone's enjoying themselves. Whatever you want that night to be, we will make it happen. And remember, the ministry has departments all over the world.

So we're close to you, 10 minutes away. So you come there, you enjoy yourself, and then on that night, we inseminate you, right? It's a very seamless process. It's not gonna be like IVF is now. We've worked on the technology, but we inseminate you in that process okay and so no and so what happens is now in that night you have been inseminated you are now going to be pregnant and then

you're gonna go off and you and your partner or husband or friend or whoever you chose to do this with you've done that night so this baby's not 50% anyone's it's 50% you it's you and your partner the same way another child is no no no it can't be the partner what do you mean because the sperm came from anywhere oh yeah the sperm and the 50% her the sperm no the sperm I'm just carrying it and the embryo is not mine come from anywhere so you might bump into your own genes in the world. You never know. What I'm saying though is you will now walk away pregnant and when your child is born and they are your child. Stop saying your child. You just told me your brother

can come and inseminate you. That your child that's family but in my world do you understand that over time genetically we will all have the same genes but so I have a one in eight billion chance I'm gonna run into my child it's not one in eight billion actually because because of your family no no no but also think of how your bloodline, if you traced your family tree as far back, you'd find that it's not one in eight billion. Okay. Yeah, a little bit of incest. It could be more. It's way more. So I have less chance of running. It's way higher, way higher, way higher. Oh, okay. Way higher. You. But also, do you want to spend your life searching for your child?

But guys, this is your child. No. I'm out. I'm out. I'm voting out of this nonsense. So what's your concern here? Everything, bro. What is your concern? Cezre, I'm not talking to you for a second.

You are literally taking everything away that makes parenting worth it. Now we just all... Okay, okay, wait. I'm going to throw something at you. We're on a conveyor belt now. Okay, I'm going to throw something at you. And Cezre, stop saying no for a second. Just be open for a second.

Have you heard stories of families who left the hospital with the wrong baby? Yes. Raised that baby. Yes. Loved that baby. Yes. There was nothing wrong.

Yes. And then found out when there was like an organ transplant or something that involved deep blood work that they weren't related to their own child. Yes. This is the first moment when families went wait and then they traced it back and they're like ah in the hospital the babies were birthed blah blah blah blah blah blah. So you want all families to be like that? Wait. He's basically taking the deco calls and he's shuffling shuffling shuffling every day I'm gonna... He's basically taking the deco cars and he's shuffling, shuffling, shuffling. Yes.

Every day I'm shuffling. Yes. He's dealing with a bad head. No, what I'm saying is those families will tell you there was not one moment where they went, this is not our child. They had the same experience of raising them, loving them, seeing them grow, feeling them. All of it. Because they believed that the child was theirs.

Because the sense of protection you feel for a child, for a baby, is because there is a familiarity between you and this baby. This is why mothers, some of you are lying when you say this, when they're like, oh, they placed the baby on my chest and I fell in love immediately because it was just, it's the greatest love I've ever known. What you're feeling is familiar. It's like I've I've ever known. What you're feeling is familiar.

It's like I've seen this person before. And then you have a feeling of, this is me. I can, like, I can see me here. I can see my husband, my baby daddy, whoever it is. It's the sense of familiarity that you have and not the same. Imprinted. Yes. So now if I know that that's not my child, you're just like, oh, I'm looking forward to

getting to know you better. And also, see, I nearly already alluded to this, right? Part of the joy of parenthood is the things that you don't teach your child, but that they inherently just know. Then you're just like, man, this is amazing. Can I tell you something here? This is something that people take for granted.

A lot of that is confirmation bias. So we take for granted that a lot of the behaviors that children get from parents are learned. They're in the environment with you. And we don't think we're teaching, but we are. Children laugh like their parents, not because they inherited the laugh necessarily, but because the laugh gets passed.

You're gonna be like, oh, you did the exact same thing as my grandfather. Yes, but things are passed down and kids are constantly without knowing it, decoding what they take and how they take it. I can agree with you on behavior, but there's genetic stuff. Yes, I understand. But I'm saying we take for granted

how much of what we recognize isn't genetic. We're seeing what we wanna see. Just like, okay, I'll even throw this at you. I've been in the streets with friends of mine who I act like. And then people go, you guys are related. And I'm like, no, they're like, no, you guys are related. And they're like, that's not the same thing. I'm talking about things you can't teach. Yes. But I'm saying, haven't you ever looked at your dad's foot and you're like, dude, I've got exact same foot. But I'm saying you will find your foot to grow that way. you will find that because there's everything else of me that's

not like my dad so you find the thing that is the same no but if I found out tomorrow one percent I was telling you about yes but if I found out tomorrow that sees when I were actually brothers I'll be like oh that explains why we both like blah blah blah now I would find all the things yeah you know what I mean it's like when people fall in love all of a sudden they look alike have you seen star signs people get star fall in love all of a sudden they look alike. Have you seen star signs? People get star signs and now all of a sudden they're like that explains it. I wondered why I got fired. Mercury was in retrograde. Alright guys they just gave you an answer. So I'm

saying a lot of what people do is giving themselves an answer as to why the child is or isn't like that. Which is fine. But in your world we wouldn't even have the luxury of lying to ourselves like that. I'm out. The one percent, you negating the one percent, is that the it's the one percent magic that children bring that is like oh my word. And the final nail in the coffin. Guys do you know how many dads in the world are raising a son or a daughter that is not theirs and they have this experience fully. But they're happy because they don't believe that these are not their kids. If you amend your rule to what I was saying about, you know, similar to the African villages

where the father is here, the mother is here and we are all just raising. So once again, we are a city of say 8 million people and all of us are mixing about, that's fine. I can make money in your world. I can make money in your world. Come on son. Do you see what I'm saying? If you just...

I hear you but my... Just narrow it. It cannot be... My issue is still that now it will become a little too insular for my liking. You already hear my business idea. I hear your business idea. Let's hear your business idea. I would be the guy smuggling like real kids. Like you, you and you, once your real baby.

Come visit me for nine months. You'll walk out with your real babies. That's my business. Guys be moving with real ones. Selling authentic babies. I mean, needless to say say there would be a crackdown of this of this black market here that's run by Cezue but I'm willing to accept your votes will you amend your rule though? Unfortunately not. That one I can't amend. I'm voting for this one. I'm sorry Anelie. But you were there like you really had me. I know but I can't amend it because it wouldn't fulfill what I'm trying to do. So I... You meant well but like Anelie nah. I'm not voting for this world. So your world, your world have cycles bro. Yo yo yo yo have cycles bro every jokers move around every

why would my world have cycles come on the trauma in your world why would there be trauma this is trauma but also why would it be like Caesar's world where the chaos comes every five years yours is just a constant uninterrupted source of chaos why is the chaos okay let me tell you why uninterrupted why is the chaos why is the chaos let me tell you why right now the world is messed up mostly because of absent fathers your whole world is absent fathers bro no no no why is it absent fathers my world is chosen in fact in fact in my world in fact in my world it's even better yeah because nobody is being a dad by mistake think about it so you're not allowed to impregnate anyone not allowed you can. Not allowed. You can't in my world. It's impossible.

So okay. The only time. I didn't want to reveal the secrets because it's patented technology. It's not sterilization. So we have a patented technology that we use when children are born. You see there's already a technology. We have a technology when children are born. We have a way to turn off your reproduction so that like when you're living, you're living the same way like people get, you know, vasectomies and then they reverse. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we do that like from the time you're born, it's done. So you don't even have to worry about it. And then when you're ready to have kids, you come, we come and we do a thing and we like make it happen.

And then you shoot into something and then that can then get distributed across the world. Exactly. So my counter to you is actually in my world there would be fewer absentee fathers so there would be less chaos because now the men who are choosing to be fathers are choosing, the women who are choosing to be mothers would be choosing and I would rather be in a world where people who want kids have more kids because they want them and the people who don't have fewer kids because they don't want them and I think that would still average out because people it's entropy it always happens. No the idea the idea is a noble

one. So I don't so I think it would be fewer I love that you said absentee fathers in my world there would be fewer absentee fathers. There would be no absentee fathers because. Yeah but you never know people get divorced and stuff you can't force things I'm not gonna force you. Oh really you can't force things. No no no you remember you're forcing one thing at a time if I rule the world you do one thing at a time. I'm raising votes world, you do one thing at a time. I can't do everything at once. Then it's not a fun game. I'm ready. Just one thing. I'm using no longer, go, bro.

You said no when I started the sentence. Like you tried to convince me of like, I think if I if I didn't have the the experience of raising my son and the person that he is and seeing myself so much in him. Yes. I would have. I'm going to throw one thing at you. Go for it. Come to Caesar Cop for the originals baby.

Wait. Wait. Selling originals. You can't be a corporation doing crime. This guy's going to be a corporation doing crime. No. Immobiliare. So what if, this is a genuine question, theoretical.

What if tomorrow you found out that somehow I like it wasn't of you Do you think it would take away all those 1% It wouldn't but she's to be disappointed wouldn't but it would question the rest of the 1% for the rest of our lives Yeah, and he's only 10. That's a long time to be questioning Okay, even him I would definitely like to okay like I'm with you This is a completely emotional decision where I'm just like, you know, I'm with you. So you, so you mean well, though, like I said, yours is a no. And also because I see how much I can love my friends kids and like my sisters. Yeah, yeah. So that's why I'm not saying that I am void of loving somebody who did wasn't birthed by me. Yes, not void of that. But selfishly. And I appreciate that. Selfishly. I'm going to say no. Okay and Sizue what's your no

based on? Everything. It's just a horrible idea. It means well but this would never work. Just a no. You're saying no for you why? The only reason to have a kid are selfish reasons. Now people can go left, right, forward and back and try to explain to you that it's for something else. There's no other reason except that. Selfish reasons. Okay. And what you're asking of people is to be selfless with the most, I guess the biggest sacrifice, because children are also a sacrifice and a burden. Every day.

I use these words. I use these words and I know parents are gonna be like, children are a blessing. They are, but a blessing can also be a burden okay so double no yeah well I'm used to it, that means at the end of, you know why, because I swing for the fences guys that's why, great ideas, do you remember when the iPhone first came out what people said who would buy a phone without a keyboard? That's what people said.

What a stupid idea. Me, guys, I'm here to invent iPhones. I'm not here to come with small things. But I lost once again. Oh boy. Well, congratulations, Anelie. Your first time at Bats. And you've won.

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