What Now? with Trevor Noah - INTRODUCING: Hidden Brain on Finding Your Purpose

Episode Date: November 18, 2025

What should you do with your life? There's no one-size-fits-all answer to that question. But there are techniques that can help you to feel more in harmony with yourself and the world. The Hidden Brain podcast explored some of those methods in a recent conversation with researcher Victor Strecher. If you’re feeling adrift, alone, or burned out, this episode is for you. Listen to Hidden Brain's full conversation on finding your purpose by visiting https://link.podtrac.com/yourlife.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey there, what now listeners. This is Shankar Vedantham, host of the podcast, Hidden Brain. Each week, Hidden Brain explores the types of questions you've probably pondered in your own life. Questions like, how can I build better habits? What can I do to make my work more fulfilling? Why do my best friend and I always seem to talk past each other?

In other words, we talk about what it means to be human and share science-backed insights about your mind and those are the people around you. you. One of the topics that we talk a lot about on Hidden Brain is purpose and meaning. We all want to feel like we matter, and that we're spending our lives in ways that reflect who we are and what we value. We talked about this recently with Victor Strecker. He researches the topic of purpose and the University of Michigan. His interest in purpose has been profoundly shaped by events in his own life, including his daughter Julia's health struggles.

Julia's heart was damaged by a virus when she was an infant, and she ended up having two heart transplants before passing away at the age of 19. In a recent conversation with me, Vic shared how he struggled with his grief after Julia's death and how the experience has shaped his thoughts on how we can all cultivate purpose and meaning in our own lives. Today, we bring you a portion of that conversation, as Vic recalls the days he spent in a family cabin on Lake Michigan after Julia's. death. He spent much of his time numbing himself with TV, but he also had brought some books with him. Now and then, he would dip into them. One book was a book of poetry by the Persian

poet, Rumi, a 13th century poet, an amazing poet, and I wasn't into poetry. I'll be real honest. I didn't read poetry. But I just started paging through it, and it seemed like there were letters Rumi was writing to me and before I went to bed I read this amazing poem and if it's all right I'd like to read just the first piece of this poem the breeze at dawn has secrets to tell you don't go back to sleep you must ask for what you really want don't go back to sleep people are going back and forth across the dorsal where the two worlds touch The door is round and open Don't go back to sleep

That night I went to sleep And I had a dream That I was with Julia We were rollerblading in the Netherlands In this small, beautiful medieval town called Maastricht And we were rollerblading together She was only nine years old And we looked out

and we saw this beautiful, what looked like, a place of worship. It could have been a mosque. It could have been a synagogue. It could have been a church. Whatever it was, it was beautiful and marble, stone. It was huge and it was glowing. And we rollerbladed there. And then we went into the entrance, and right in the entrance was a spiral staircase that went down infinitely.

And she said, we need to go down. there. And I said, Julia, we can't. We have rollerblades on. And we started floating down this spiral staircase. So it was a very vivid dream. And we ended up in this large marble hall room, a giant room, with a big hallway. And as we entered the room, there are these three beautiful women. And they're all wearing exactly the same dress. They came up, and I turned to look at Julia and suddenly, Suddenly she was wearing exactly that dress, and she was 19 suddenly. And she said, I have to go. And she turned from me and she walked with these three people, and they all disappeared.

I woke up. It was five o'clock in the morning, and my pillowcase was just soaked with tears. And I thought, I want to go back to sleep. I want to see her again. It was such a vivid dream. I was talking with her. I think I might be able to go back to sleep and talk to Julia. And I remembered the Rumi poem that said, don't go back to sleep. So I looked out. right onto Lake Michigan, and it was still dark, but I could tell that Lake Michigan was exceedingly calm. Usually there are big waves. It looks like an ocean, usually, but it was glassy smooth, and I was just sleeping at a boxers and a t-shirt, but I decided to pop out of bed, and I hopped in my kayak. It was still dark. It was still spring, and I started paddling out into the middle of Lake Michigan. I just thought, I'm just going to keep paddling.

This is so beautiful out here. The water was so cold. I knew if I had fallen in, I would probably drown. I didn't care. I just kept paddling and paddling straight out toward Wisconsin. And Wisconsin is 86 miles away, by the way. But I was thinking,

I was about two miles out as far as I could tell. And I was thinking, maybe I'll just keep going. This is so beautiful. And I really don't have anything to live for right now. Suddenly, the sun came up. It was 5.15 in the morning. And I saw all the water shimmering around me. I don't know how to explain this, but water will shimmer when it's very, very smooth.

And the sun was just coming up, and everywhere around me it felt like it was glowing. But then suddenly I felt my daughter, Julia, inside me. I don't know how it was to put it. She was in me. And I felt her say, Dad, you've got to get over this. And it wasn't like she was looking at me going, you have to get over this. It was more, you have to get over yourself. You have to get over your ego.

You have to get over your grief. And think about things bigger than yourself. but you have a choice right now you can decide to continue on to Wisconsin and you'll never make that of course or you can turn back but if you do turn back you're going to have to change your life I stayed out there

for quite a few minutes thinking about this and the sun was coming up it was beautiful and I decided to turn around I went back I was cold just kind of damp I went right to our kitchen

I pulled a sheet of paper out and said Vic you have to help yourself and I don't know how to explain this either but it was almost as if I was looking down on myself from the ceiling and just looking at my head looking at the piece of paper and pen

and saying what are you going to do to help yourself Vic almost like I was my own therapist and I said maybe the first thing I need to do is write down what matters most in my life and so I literally just started writing my family Jerry my wife Rachel my daughter I started writing down my mom my dad my siblings then I wrote down my friends then I started asking myself what matters at work they've given you this semester off from teaching. They even gave you the next semester if you need it off from teaching. They said,

you'd lost your daughter. It's one of the hardest things you can go through. But I started asking myself, what matters most? I do a lot of research. But I said, of everything, my students matter most. And then it dawned on me, I need to get back to teaching. So that morning, I called the school and said, I know you gave me this semester and even next semester off if I need it, but quite honestly, it's not the advice I need. I really need to teach, and I want to teach every one of my students as if they're my own daughter, Julia. And that changed my life.

That was University of Michigan. public health researcher Victor Strecker talking with me, Shankar Vedantham, on a recent episode of Hidden Brain. To hear the rest of this episode, including specific ideas for how you can cultivate your own purpose, follow the link in the episode description. And if you like what you hear, be sure to follow Hidden Brain on your favorite podcast platform or find us online at hiddenbrain.org. I'm Shankar Vedantam. Thanks for listening. I don't know.