What Now? with Trevor Noah - Meet Joe Opio - My Favorite People

Episode Date: December 18, 2025

In this episode of My Favorite People, Trevor, Eugene, and Dave chat with Daily Show writer Joe Opio, a man so relentlessly happy they are convinced he was sent from another planet to mock their collective anxiety. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

I will apologize on behalf of South Africans then to you as a fellow African. Yeah, as a fellow African, we didn't mean to leave you in the dust. We're not trying to do this intentionally. However, your beef is misplaced because when we listened to Sean Paul and other like reggae ragas artists

and all of that dance hall and all of those vibes, those guys would switch things up in the middle of a sentence. What did we say? I'll say this. No, no, no, no. I'll say this to count. Just give me the light. I'll say this.

If you listen. If you listen to reggae, if you listen to reggae, right, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something else. You're listening to it wrong. That's what I'm saying. Eugene, that's what I'm saying. You know, that's what I'm saying. Like where, when the sentence starts?

But you brought me in with one thing. No one listen. Just give me the light. No, but no one listens to reggae for the ring. Okay, give me the light. Okay, give me the light. You listen for the beats. This is what now with Trevor Noah.

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creditworthiness. Rates as of November 1, 2025, existing customers can view their variable APR in the wallet app or at card.com. Terms and more at apple.com. Today, the goal was to hang out with Joseph Opio, one of my favorite people. This guy right here, Ugandan, honorary South African, fellow daily show writer, co-conspirator, stand-up comedian, sports enthusiast, a football buff. That was my goal today was to hang out with him. Okay.

Then what happened was, then what happened was, you came out of nowhere, okay? which is a wonderful blessing but you came out of nowhere because it was another friend's birthday With the plastic bag You came with a plastic bag full of zero percent alcohol It's hard to get

0% Guinness Yes So you came with zero percent alcohol It was hard to carry it Which is like the ultimate It's the ultimate like paradox Yes It's like someone who's like

I came for the party But I don't like parties Yes Yes Okay So that's when you came Now because we all roll together We are in this thing.

So now, I'll answer your question. So it's not an interview. I just wanted to hang out with Joe. All right. Why are their cameras and? Or why? Because you could have just, you assume he's one of your favorite people. Yes.

So I assume that up until this point, you've hung out. Yes. Cool. Now you decided to hang out. Are you going to hang? Okay, so now let me ask you this. Can we play table tennis now? Let's play some table tennis.

I don't have a table. If there was table tennis we could play. Because we have to do the interview. There was table, no, actually, if there's table tennis, we could do it. Let me answer your question this way. Why do you make a sex tape? Because people have sex. People have sex.

No, because you want to watch back the tape. Thank you. You want to have something for posterity. So you have sex already. And then sometimes you go, you know what, let's record this. Sometimes. So, I hope that answers some of your question. It doesn't answer some of my question.

It does. You said, why are their cameras? Sometimes you want to record it. Okay. You want to record the thing that you do. So what I was going back to was, we were talking about food. This is like one of the perfect moments where you go like, this is why Joseph Opie is one of my favorite people.

We were talking about food and the swag you have in a restaurant when you no longer have, like if the menu, all the prices are something you can easily afford. There's like, there's nothing. So I was saying remember the first time you didn't have to calculate because remember there was a moment where you'd order and you'd be like, they'd be like, what would you like? And then you knew what you liked. But what you were actually trying to think of was how do I add 35 to 47?

the first time you didn't have that was a canon event exactly it's also same as the first time you filled up the tank without yes yes yes exactly it's in that same yes we just go fill it up just fill it up yeah so now we were talking about this and then joe are saying ah man there's no greater pressure than having to calculate the amount of money that a date is going to cost you when the date is sitting opposite in real time then he said ah it reminds me of that scene from swordfish yes yes then i went what Because I was like, who uses swordfish as a reference? Yes. For making a decision.

No, no, no, Joe, Joe. It's an iconic scene. Joe. It's the ultimate scene. Swordfish. Yes. If you're thinking of making a decision under so much pressure. My friend.

He had a gun to his head. He had to hack into this system. And then he had a woman giving him head. Yeah? Yes. Yes. You left that part out. No, guys.

That's why it's an iconic scene. You left that part out. All along, we're fighting about guns. People said. Guns are common. No. He didn't let me, like, set up the thing. Yeah, boy, now.

I know. That's not what I'm saying. I'm not with you. Hugh Jackman is a hacker. John Provoter has a gun to his head. Hugh Jackman was getting a blowjob. Yes. And he had,

that's iconic. He had like a minute to hack into the system. Yes. The pressure he was under. Okay. You're not, you're not understanding what I'm saying. Yes. I'm not saying that you're not saying.

choice of scene is incorrect. Okay. I'm saying, I have never in my life heard somebody go to swordfish for, I've heard people say mission impossible pressure action. I've heard people say the matrix action. I've heard people go. Who in Titanic was under the most pressure? No, no, no.

What I'm saying is like there are movies. Yes. That are generally thought of as the go-to for like an example or for an idea. Oh, you've been red-pilled. It's from the matrix. You get what I'm saying? Oh, I thought it was from vaccines. No, bro.

She came from the matrix. Yeah, it got co-opted by the... Exactly. But that's what I mean. But the thing is, now I'm thinking you should change the people you hung out with. This is people are not cultured. You should change your favorite people if they can't make. No, but you're my favorite people.

And here you are. Here you are sword-fishing me. In fact, that's what I'm going to use it as now from now on. I'm going to say someone's sword-fish to me. And then they're going to go, what does that mean? And I'm going to say, to sword-fish somebody is to just bring up the most random... instance, yo, nobody knows Swordfish.

Do you know Swordfish? Do you remember Swordfish? Wait, wait, wait. Okay, let's ask the man off camera. Of culture? I, I, you could use Swordfish. You could use was Hugh Jackman in Swordfish as a trivia question and people would be for the 500,000 and who has to be a millionaire.

And we'd be like, that's a good question. Nobody knows what. No one knows that. No, because people are not cultured. Yeah. I'm a man of culture. I'm a gentleman and a scholar and I watch both. movies and you know

I don't the thing the thing is it's the scene that comes to mind there's not a scene tell me of any other scene actually so the it's also the only scene that's memorable from the movie

where Hugh Jackman gets a blowjob ever in his career while while hacking it's the context and having a gun to his head and he's got 60 seconds yes

you're the worst no once I gave it context though Eugene was on board Eugene is just an agent of chaos That's what Eugene is It's provoked to her

Yeah, that's exactly what you are We're speaking French now Culture Actually, I've always wanted to know that about you It's like How do you think you found that balance As a person? Because it's like you

You have one of the strangest balances Of probably any human being that I know And what I mean by this is There are a lot of people who will only watch like swordfish type movies, right? And then there'll be people who immerse themselves in just like the densest literature and, you know, writings and books and blah, blah, blah, blah,

political, you know what I mean? Yes. You name it, political forays and this and that and this. You have the broadest taste. Is this question to Joe or to me? No, to Joe. You don't have broad taste at all. Yeah, that yours is very neat.

You don't have broad taste at all. This guy. That is so niche. Sometimes it comes off as pretentious. Can I tell you, this is going to be the weirdest podcast because people are going to go like, what is that other person? And then I don't even know how we explain it. So if you're watching or listening to this, you're going with you.

What is happening? I'll tell you what's happening. There's a Ugandan here. Then there's another Ugandan who's also South African, but he's not with us here. Now, you make it seem like it's chain migration. I came for this podcast and I brought it in a young and damn text.

Yes, that's what it feels like. That's what it feels like. It feels like we have like a spirit that's connected to you. Ghana from the beyond. Yes. It's like if we can't see him, you can hear his voice. If we get you all, if we get like one more, we get Zoran Mamdani as well.

Then Karuya and then it's like. So, so the reason is, I'll tell you why it's not a question to you is because you are not, you are not, were not broad at all. No, only because I have the answer. Of him. Yes. No, first I want to hear his answer.

Then I want to see what you. Okay. Okay, so give you your answer. Okay. So for me, I don't think I made it deliberate. I don't want to be put in the box if that makes sense. So you'll purposely watch a terrible movie. No, no.

That's what I'm saying. I don't think I made the deliberate choice. Okay, got it. Because I think like art in its very nature or like things can be appreciated regardless of the, can we say standard of what? like so swordfish not the greatest movie in the world but it had its moments

it's complex almost artist school it's almost like people that makes sense people can be appreciated because they have different they bring different nuances to everything so a bad movie can have a great scene the same way a great movie

can have some bad scenes in it so when I watch or when I'm reading books I'll read like the most you know what you call like smart books because they have great moments And then I would read the trashy novels. I'll go like on vacation and I would read like a something. Yes.

Okay, not exactly Mils and Boone. But it did have its moments when we were still teenagers. But I'm saying I don't have like exclusive. Wait, wait, wait. Wait, Joe, I know you're becoming very profound yet. But you read Mils and Boos as a teenager. This guy's done everything. You're going to understand by the end of this conversation why this guy's one of my favorite people.

This man has done every. let me tell you one of my favorite stories but before I do Dave what was your answer going to be for him is it the same as no it's because you come from Uganda okay as we know so in terms of sorry to interrupt you I'm just going to call this whole podcast pardon the interruption sorry to interrupt you can I just say what's really what sounds funny is it almost feels like because you know you've got a thick accent

it almost why though that's the question say no every time people say that I go like it's why though Cause, no, no, no, no, no. Can I explain? Can I explain? Okay. So I didn't know I had an accent till I left Uganda. Because everyone in Uganda sounded like this. Yeah, no, no, that's true.

So then I come to America, I go to South Africa and go like, oh, you have an accent. And I'm like, no, you have an accent. You are not wrong. Yes, because in my mind, when I speak, I sound like, I sound like you, Grant right now. When I'm talking right now, you should go to Uganda and hear those. No, but what are crazy is. Right now. I sound like Hugh Braun.

I sound like an English aristocrats. No, and can I tell you something? If I've seen your, so I've seen your writing and we'll go through this in stages. So I'll actually, we'll get back to the story. But in writing, because this man sitting here has a vocabulary that supposes any human being I've met in my life, like personally, person that I know. I don't know everyone in the world. This guy here, if I'm looking for a word, searching for a sentence, trying to fix grammar or structure, this person here. knows more about the English language than anyone I've ever met, right?

So I get what you're saying. When you right now, what you, what we heard was you, and then what you heard on the mic was you going, I don't understand why anybody thinks I have an accent. In fact, when you think about swordfish, when you think about swordfish, in my mind, in my mind, let me tell you, the first thing is, when I have Trevor, when I have, because Trevor does impressions. Because Trevor does impressions.

And when Trevor does impressions, he has impressions of people. So Trevor used to go like, I'm going to do that this. Then Joe said this. Then Trevor would do an impression of me. And then I would go like, who is that guy? Because I would go like, oh, that guy sounds weird. Oh, God. Because in my mind, I would like, no, I don't sound like that.

Yes. Like every time. Every time Trevor, because Trevor does you. He goes like, oh, I'm going to do. No, he does that. He goes like. So then. Trevor doesn't do it like no more people

because you go like oh and then we go like and then Eugene said this and then we said Trevor does you and then Joseph and then you do my impression and I go like hold on I'm going to like wait who is that weird why does it sound like that because in my mind

I don't can I tell you what's so funny to me right now is the idea of this happening for the first time because now to you it seems like a crazy concept but now imagine if you were hanging out with Hugh Grant and then you were telling a story

about Hugh Grant and then you go like oh man Hugh Hugh you're such a funny guy you're such a funny guy like I remember and then Hugh Grant's like what are you talking about what did I do? And then you go like I'll tell you I was at Subway with Hugh Grant and then I go like which bread do you want and then Hugh turns to me and then he's like I'll tell you which bread

I want to say that's basically what you're saying I did to you. That's every time I would go like I don't know who this guy is but also don't understand what Like, I've got like, that guy sounds weird. So now what I'm saying is, yeah, because you, at least you've seen it in practice, though, in America. Obviously, everyone has an accent when they're speaking another language if they're in another place.

We all come from countries where second language is a thing, right? But what I'm saying is funny now is I knew your accent was thick. So I knew for the video side of the podcast, like, this is going to be dope. Then I was like, on the audio side, I was like, can you do subtitles for audio? I didn't know if you could, right? then now it almost feels like you Dave came to be his yeah no no but to be like his like yeah but like almost

because okay Joe gave his answer I was like Joe why do you have such broad taste he gave his answer then Dave goes no let me tell you what it is because he comes from so yeah tell us so you're saying because it all depends on when you first start sort of like living you have a range of experience

that's offered to you. Just as a person. If you live in Saudi Arabia, most likely you don't know about cold temperatures. Okay. Because you just weren't born in cold temperatures. You know if you live in New York City, you know four seasons, that kind of thing.

Right. So Joe coming from Uganda, the third world, he knows their various things. For example, food. He knows food can come from a restaurant. Yeah. It can come from a grocery store. Yes.

It can come from a farm. but it can also come from the sky you know when they dropped when they dropped where the UN dropped the grain you know when they're like that grade I'll say

I'll say this most people Dave just a moment let me let me interrupt you just because they're talking about food I remember first time I came to the US so I didn't know the concept of healthy eating in that way right

and so when I came Americans kept talking about organic food And they kept telling me my friends Oh, you can get organic food from This place called Trader Joe's And it's sometimes more expensive And so I thought organic food was a brand Then I went to Trader Joe's

And they were going like, oh, it comes from farm to table And I was like, oh, that's the As we call it food in Uganda Because everything, we don't have processed food And so when you're talking about it different, yes, like Dave is writing that. So, for example, like in your mind, just even think of when grain falls from the sky. So now Joe, in just, I'm saying he's broad palate. Yes.

Joe even knows which is the good grain and which is the bad grain just from which plane is. This guy just went like, I go like, avoid that. You see that Cessina. No, that's a B-52. Nothing. That's good brain over there. So here's the thing. I hear what you mean by that.

But I almost feel like it doesn't go deep enough because... I used to use that by there. There's an excuse at the Daily Show to never make a line for food. When we'd be in a food line at the Daily Show. I would go like, wow, for shame, you're making an African line up for food again. This is why I came to America and then Whitewood would go like, I guess he has to skip. they're like now. You can't.

That's a legend right there. I would go like, wow, I did. Even water. I would go to, I would go like, hey, can you get me water? Can you get me water? Can you get me water? Can you get me water? I got like, I walked five miles.

And I want me to walk to the kitchen as well. Damn, Joe. Yes, you have to. What a superpower to have in a building full of liberals. Yes. Then go like, oh, we have to. What a superpower? Joe is the only guy amongst all of us who can walk into the New York

marathon. never have run a race but look like he was participating in fact he might look like he won yeah you've got that like you can go collect a medal now he wears a vet he also he also is one of the fits he might actually run the marathon and win but if he just puts

on a vest yes and shorts after the new and then you go cue for a medal no one will ask you anything I did run a marathon back actually actually it's funny you bring that up do you remember man it's funny you say that one of my favorite stories Joe was when it was a

a movie premiere. It was Idris Elb's. This was Idris Elvis. This was Idris Elvis. Yes. Okay. Beasts of no nation. Beasts of no nation. I can never forget. So if I remember correctly, the movie was on Netflix, wasn't it? Ended up on Netflix. Okay. They had a screening. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So if you're a member of the writer's guild, you're invited to screenings. Yes. So that you can vote for the Oscars, you know. And so I turn up to watch the movie. Brilliant movie. Love it. Then we go, because at the screening, then they have like a party afterwards. Yeah, and the movie

for those who don't remember was Beast of No Nation was a movie about Idris Elver being like a warlord and he had a bunch of child soldiers and that was like that's basically the story. So then we go to the reception

and then I notice there's this couple that keeps looking at me and so it was Anthony Winner and Huma Abedin back then we were together and I keep looking at me And I go, like, do I know them from somewhere? Because you know, you get that thing, do I know these people?

And then they come and approach me with big smiles on their faces. And then I go like, as they're approaching literally, when they were just like a second away from me, I go like, oh, is the congressman with a stand on? No, in my mind. And then they approach me and they go like, we loved you in the movie. You are amazing in the movie. And I went like, this is why this guy needed to be taken down. Because I That's what I said inside

But outside I was going like Should I go like What did you say? I just went like Oh you know Thank you Because I went like They were saying

I had an Oscar Winning Time basically What could you say? They were saying You look like a child soldier Yes That's what they did That's grown up

Yes But that's Do you have subtitles Not subtitles But do you have that thing That they have Where they give you facts A fact check

On the screen Yes Why you want us to Fact check this No no I just want you to fact check that just in case we're watching, he is not a child.

Oh, we should put that up. You know what I mean? Just so, because Joe is not a child soul. No, Joe is not in the movie. He isn't in the movie and he isn't, you know what I mean? Because your accent is confusing. There's a lot happening. No, child soldier was harmed in the making of his podcast.

When you were a kid, were your taste as broad as they are now? Was this something that developed over time? No, they were. Because the thing is, and to go to the point that Dave was trying to make. In Uganda, so when you come from a smaller culture, your force, because you don't produce as much, you're forced to consume things from larger cultures. So when I was growing up, I loved reading.

But then you didn't have as many books in Uganda. So you had to read everything you could get your hands on. Whether be it Meus and Born, whether be it like Shakespeare, you just had to read everything. And so it's funny because when I go to countries, they say South Africa, even the US, Americans are very shocked. They've got like, oh, how do you know about this movie that happened? I'm arguing about this moment that happened.

And I got to like, cause. when I was in Uganda when I watch the news when they go like foreign news it's America it's Britain it's South Africa when I'm reading the newspaper when they go like oh

international news it's South Africa it's Britain but when you're in America because Americans are always going to oh we feel ignorant we don't know as much about Uganda

then I go like it makes sense when you're watching news when they go foreign news it's not always Uganda maybe everyone's in a while but it's France it's other countries because you guys

are a big culture. So remember in what work and I was talking about how when we were growing up we were at the daily show and I told them as growing up the most iconic movie in Uganda was Baby's Day Out.

Baby's Day Out was bigger than Star Wars. Wait, what is Babies Day Art? It's... How do I explain it? Sorry, I was in Uganda. Yes. So What happens? Well, it's this movie about a baby. It's almost... Yes.

it's almost like it's almost like a rip off of home alone but it's like a toddler like crawling and then this people are trying to kidnap him and then he and it was a huge movie in Uganda because the comedy stemmed from the physicality of it you didn't have to know English you didn't have to so I told people at the daily show this movie was bigger than Star Wars and they couldn't believe it and then we went on Wikipedia and it turns out even in India

that movie spent more time in cinemas spent more weeks in cinemas than Star Wars and Americans their minds were blown like we didn't even this was a B

like you know movies that go straight to yeah straight to VHS and I told them that kid is an icon in Uganda I would rather have his autograph than Harrison Ford or or Gene Hedman yes

so it's that like you are you are forced to consume Star Wars But then also he was supposed to consume. So Americans understand Jackie Chan because Jackie Chan is big in America. But he was huge in Africa. Yeah. Because he's moved.

No, he was massive. Yes. He was massive. Now, Jackie Chan, they understand him. But like, babies day out. They went like, we don't. What? It's another swordfish.

Yes. You see, you swordfished them. That's exactly what Joe did. You swordfished them. Because he said in the office, he was like, ah, yeah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then he used it as a reference. He went, ah, it's as crazy as saying nobody watched babies day out. And everyone was like, what?

I'm sorry, what? It's not babies, they are. It's babies. Yes. No, but now you make it sound like it's a bunch of them. You're the worst. Exactly what you said, too. Babies, they are.

Is it possible to have requests? Can I have some requests? This get with questions, eh? Anything is possible. I don't understand, like, what is it? Like, you're going to ask us to sing a song to you now? No, no. I would like, I would like, if possible, some background.

maybe some anecdotes on you and Joe's relationship. I'm just saying it would be nice. And we're taking your request. If you could be like, this is Joe, this is one of my great friends. Yeah. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Favorite people or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the difference. No, no, no. Even favorite, I think. I object to favorite because I've seen the favorites. No, no, no, no. Why are you waiting at me?

No, because I've seen Eugene. I've seen Kaya. I've seen Annele. I've seen this. I don't want to be lumped in with this character. Lampin. These are my favorite. Look, I'm not sure this is good for my brand.

Wow. And you just object to food aid. No, no, listen. No, listen. I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. Listen, Kaya, Eugene.

These are South Africans. And I said honorary South African. No, no, no. But even that. Honorary South African. You know this as Africans. We have beef with South Africans. Yes.

It might be one-sided. I'd actually a friend told me to bring this up to you. Why do South Africans? Hey, hey, yeah, yeah, whoa, whoa, whoa. It sounds like a voice. No, I want to hear the question. Why do South Africans always begin a tweet in English and then end it in Vanak? You're trying to confuse the ending.

No, no, no, but I'll actually tell you why. I'll tell you why. Because that's how most South Africans even speak to each other. But you realize how confusing that is for the rest of Africa. So listen, now, it's funny you say that. We went to Shakespeare in the park here in Central Park, right? And so it was a beautiful rendition of 12th night It's Lupita Nongo

It's Peter Dinkley Trying Not swordfish but okay Yes So we're trying So we go and watch Shakespeare Every sentence Started in the kind of English

that I know And then it ended in like some Shakespearean stuff That didn't make any sense You know what I mean I didn't see one person saying Why do they do that Why did Shakespeare do that? It was still English

No but he made up words There's random words that weren't English that he made. It was a word for me. Cockle pop. That's what a word smith that. But I'm saying you guys begin in one. You know, you know. So let me explain why.

Okay. Let me explain why. So since you wanted to take it there, there's a thing called Abarthate, Joe. Okay. Okay. Seems I missed out. Okay. I'm just saying I have four more because Dave went through it.

Because they've left Uganda to go to South Africa. I was still him. Dude, you left Uganda. You went like, I'd rather go to a country. where black people are treated like this and stay in this, you know. Keep your meals and bun and babies they're out. Then he bounced.

This is this baby's day out. This baby is out. This baby is out. It's very offensive when you think about it. He went like you see a brother in South Africa. Still better than Uganda. Meanwhile, we are stuck there. So, so, no, I really do think this is what it is.

It's actually a beautiful. product of a terrible beginning, right? Because South Africa is a country where black people and everyone was forced to speak certain languages that weren't their own. So you're forced to speak English, you were forced to speak Afrikaans, right? So people were commonly speaking a language or starting a sentence in a language that they didn't speak. But oftentimes your vocabulary runs out.

Most sentences are easy to start in another language. I know this when I learn new languages. I'll find, like if I speak Spanish, because I don't really need. know how to speak it yet. I can start a sentence, you know, and I can go, uh, disculpe, uh, pardon, uh, and then you're like, okay, I have to, I have to default. I have to default. Okay, no, no. Yeah. I understand. Yeah. A natural byproduct of that in language, I find is that people who've been forced to speak another language adopt parts of that language, but the true essence of who they are is contained in their mother tongue. Yeah. So they might

start a sentence in English because that's just how they speak. But when you want to get into like the juice of it, You start the sentence in English And then by the end It was the one with Zag Keeper Because so shah is You get what I'm saying So shaman Can I counter?

Counter Because we were also forced to learn a language Okay You make it seem like South Africa was the only country That was colonized I didn't make it seem like

I didn't make it seem like I just told you how South Africa was Okay so he's the thing He's the beef that we have with you guys Because you do this Yes On an international platform So now

What was we doing No No No So now listen So now Eugene so now I wanted to appreciate

my beer. Okay, sharp. I'm here for it. I'm following this tweet. It's very funny. Yes. And then I don't understand the ending. And then I'm like, wait, what happened? Okay. So now I have to go to Google Translate. Yes. And the worst part is, the worst part is, it's almost like being ghosted by text. Because you are following and then you're like, okay, I didn't get the ending. It's a game of thrice. Now they're speaking, cause or whatever. And you are so invested. You are so invested. You know, South Africans are great at Twitter. Yeah. So you're invested. And then now you see people laughing and you're like, okay, I didn't get the ending. It's a game of Thrones. It's a game of Thrones. It's a game of if you think about it. Great, great season, first season, great, second. And then the final season was Vanek. Then you're like, what just happened now? So I'm trying to explain it to you.

So this is what I'm saying. You're not wrong about these parts, right? And I will apologize on behalf of South Africans then to you as a fellow African. Yeah, as a fellow African, we didn't mean to leave you in the dust. We're not trying to do this intentionally. However, your beef is misplaced. Because when we listened to Sean Paul. Okay.

and other like reggae raga artists and all of that dance hall and all of those vibes those guys would switch things up in the middle of a sentence we what did we say i'll say this no no no no i'll say this to just give me the light i'll say yes if you listen to reggae raga let me tell you something now You're listening to eat wrong. That's what I'm saying. Eugene, that's what I'm saying. Eugene, that's what I'm saying. Like, where did the sentence start? But you brought me in with one thing. Just give me the light.

But no one listens to. No, but no one listens to Reagan for the real thing. Okay, give me the light. Okay, give me the light. You listen for the beats. You listen for the beats. Yeah, so that's what I'm saying to you. Don't think of it as an affront.

Yeah. Okay. But now that you've told us... Yes. I'm sure, yes. We appreciate it. We won't change anything. However, we'll look in...

We should blame this on like the platforms for not like translating automatically or like showing you... But I'll bring that up with South Africa. But it's also the reason why we coined the phrase running out of English bundles. Because running out of data. Oh, yeah. That's what they're saying. So when the English runs out, you like default. Yeah.

Then you have to get in the... But it was the same with Totsital. Tocital was a mixture of Africans and any other African. South African language, so you'd mix the Africans just to get by, and then you'd put the other parts just to question about the other person. So initially, okay, but you didn't know this is unique South Africa, right? No, no, no, no, we don't do it in Uganda. No, no, no, a lot of people do it. No, no, no, I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. Um, when I was in India, okay. When I was in India, okay. They'll do it with, uh, with Hindi as well. Okay.

They'll start a sentence in English. Like, literally someone, like, friends, friends are we talking with each other. I'm like, literally when we're in Mumbai doing shows. No, no, no, I understand talking. I'm saying, quit him. That's what I said. Oh, you're saying the And a national platform. Yes. So I'm not familiar with Hindi Twitter. Okay. Okay.

But this is a very uniquely African thing. No, they'll do it sometimes. No, they'll do it sometimes. They'll start a sentence and they'll be like, they'll be like, you guys, why does it seem like every time India's hosting? No, because they do it in the accent when they're speaking as well. So they go like, you guys. The Indians are very offended because they sound like Hugh Grant in their minds.

They're going to, who is that? Indians know how Indians sound. You're the only person who doesn't know how you sound. In fact, I want to know from you guys Did you not have recorders in India? In Uganda. Can I... Did Joe never hear his accent in Uganda?

It's crazy, but can I ask a question? Can I ask a question? I feel like you came to an interview. In terms of your guys' relationship. Okay. And by the way, before we move on, can I just say how much I appreciate this? Because we never have a viewer or listener.

This feels like the comment section is live. Live. No, but it also feels like a therapy session. Zick keeps taking it back. No, no, no, but I do like the comments. I'm not saying I appreciate you. Yes, I appreciate you. You know, because I know all three of you are like, have wonderful relationship.

And it would be, and you're here to podcast Joe. Is that the phrase that you used? No, he said he's here to sex tape, Joe. To hang out with you. Yes. Okay, cool. But before you make the sex tape. You would like me to tell you how I met this guy?

Not even how you met, but just in that vein, just to establish us. we know, oh, okay, this is, because if, let's say Joe was your brother, then you could go, this is my brother, a few antidotes for anecdotes from also antidotes. Oh, yes, that, you know what I'm saying? This is my, the funny thing is, I feel we're going to have very

complicated. Here the way it is you just brought some cab driver from New York, put him at the table, and I'll interview it. So that's the feeling we're getting lost in space. You know what, you know what sounds like, it sounds like Dave is going like, you need to stop, so that he, it feels like he thinks ice might trade this.

this and you need to establish the relationship. No, no, no. I'll tell you what's happened. I'll tell you what happened. Dave has lived in New York for too long. And in New York and in America, the number one phrase people love asking is, so how do you guys know each other? Yes, yes, yes. So, like, how do you guys

know each other? Like, where did you guys meet? So, like, how did you guys, how do you guys know each other? How do you know the birthday boy? How do you know, yes. There's like the context I find I find more than most places in the world, America, but in New York, people really want to know, like, how, people know each other

how are you connected and how are you know what I mean whereas like even now going back to South Africa I've realized like the other day we were watching was the Premier League just started and we had people over a whole bunch of friends came and it was a mixed group no one asked anyone how anyone knew anyone we just got in with like our opinions and our ideas

because you assume yes and then people just left and no one went so how do you know how do you know that person but I like that you said this so I'll give you a bit of a backstory so to go back I feel like we're going to have very conflicting, okay? Very conflicting texts on this. No, no, no, no. I didn't know you.

So I will, I'm saying I wouldn't have known you through Dave. Tell your side of how we met and then we can go from there. Okay, so the way I remember it, I knew Dave prior. I come to New York. Okay, I knew Dave because I went to South Africa to perform comedy, to like pursue comedy. I met Dave. I got to whatever Dave was working. I just showed up.

I didn't know anyone. So I arrived in South Africa I don't know anyone I go to where the Dave's used to work because I liked their show We got it in Uganda So I walk in and I got like hey I'm here to see the guys who do this show

Which seems crazy now But made sense then Even then then the reception Then the reception goes like Okay You can have a who do you want to see Then I go like oh whoever produces the show Weird then they go like oh they're out for lunch

But you can have a seat So I sit Now remember I used to do a show like Elinan in Uganda. You used to basically do the daily show in Uganda, but alone. Like a very pale like starved

imitation of the daily show. Why did you have to say starve? Because it wasn't getting grains from up there. So I turn up and then I'm seated there and then Kahiso comes. Kahiso was like the director creator, creator, producer and Dave and they come. No, I think Dave didn't come. Just Kahiso. And then

they're walking past the reception and they do a double take. And they got like, wait, are you, I give the guy from who does the show in Uganda? And I go like, oh, yeah, it's me. Then go like, oh, my God, we're big fans. We've watched the show on YouTube. Can you come through? Then I'm like, oh, that's why I came here. So then they take me back to the writer's room. And then I sit in the writer's room. Then they start pitching jokes, you know, talking. Then I start pitching as well. Because, you know, I make myself comfortable wherever I go. So I start pitching. So then I pitch an idea. Because remember, you were shooting something about the South African elections.

And how, like, there were illegals coming in, maybe from Zimbabwe, trying to... Still. Yes. No, to vote. No, still now. Oh, yeah. Okay. I thought, still the election.

So then I pitched, hey, how about, what if I act? I picked something about an illegal coming in trying to act like a South African and then he's singing like, oh, the South African songs, social laws, but he's butchering them because clearly is an illegal. And so then they go like, hey, are you around on Monday? They go like, yeah, I am. Go like, oh, can you come or shoot you, you'll be the illegal? I go like, okay, cool.

This feels like a trap, by the way. This really does feel like a trap. So then I show up. All this happens, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then I get to know Dave. Dave was a very gracious horse. You know, it takes me around, perform stand-up, this and this. And then...

You know what's an interesting thing? Sorry. Even though I asked for this question. Okay. Is that the way I asked, could you describe how you met Trevor? Yes. And now what you're doing is you're giving backstory. Because this could go to...

No, no, no. Everybody linked... You know what I'm saying? No. I was born. You, I knew. I knew when he said I'm sorry that he's not. I knew.

You know what I'm saying. There's no. You can, no, I, I get this. A backstory can start at any point. Yes, at any point. I met you through so. You're like as a son, do you see what I'm saying? You're like I didn't start with my first day out as a baby.

Yes. But anyway, no, no, no, okay, okay, so anyway. You and Trevor met at some way of four. Okay, so I get to know, dad. How does that happen? I get to know Dave, then I tell Dave. Okay, listen, so I get to know Dave. Then I tell Dave, I'm going to go to America because I've come to South Africa and I've kind of hacked it, but not three-D.

But now I want to go to America because America is the biggest comedy. Wait, wait, wait. So how familiar are you with Dave at this point? Do you even tell him your dreams and wishes? No, we hang out. We hung out. So fast forward from the day. No, because I had only a one-month visa, so we hang out during that time.

Then I tell them. There's visas. Yeah, South Africa. We need visas to come South Africa. You do? Yes. And yet we helped Shelter Mandela and those guys. Anyway, that's another beat.

We won't get into it. So I tell Dave, hey, I'm going to go to South. I'm going to go to America because that's where, like, you know, all the big comedians are. Then Dave goes like, what? But you're starting to get your foot together. And I go like, yeah, I'll go if it doesn't work out or come back. Yeah. So then I come to America.

First night, I knew no one in America. I come in. I go, like, America gives me three months. So I went like, I need to make it work as quickly as soon. So first night, I go to the sailor. the comedy seller comedy seller because I had seen it in Louis

and I knew about it so I got like hey I asked the bus stuff the white stuff here I'm here to see Esty the booker Oh yeah Esty who runs

Yeah the booker because I done some research And then the way stuff goes like No she comes in around midnight So can you wait around I go like I wait I have nothing to do First night

I wait Midnight midnight midnight 31 Estis is nowhere to be seen So the waste have tells me Hey So I tell her I'm going to bounce She's not here

Then in my mind, I got like, I'm coming back tomorrow. So I show up tomorrow night, different ways stuff. Then I go like, okay, I'm here to see Esty. And these particular weights of things, I have an appointment. So she goes like, oh, see it, you know, she'll come in around midnight. So I see it. Midnight, midnight, midnight, 30. She comes, and she goes, okay.

So Estes here. So now, Esty, you know this from the comedy center. She goes sits at the comedian's table. Yeah. So I stand up and go to the comedian's table. And it was Esty. It was Louis CK, it was, I think, calling Joss from SNL, and I think Azizansari. They were seated there.

So I go on and I approach and I go like, hey, Estee, what's up? She goes like, oh, hello, how are you doing? And I go like, oh, I'm a comedian and I want to perform at the comedy seller. And then she goes like, oh, okay, do you have any, have you been on TV before? Because you need a TV credit to perform at the cell. And I go like, yeah, I've been on South African TV. I've been on Ugandan TV. Then she goes like, no, no, no.

She goes like, no, no, no, she goes like, no, no, that doesn't count. I mean, I've been on a late night show in America. Then I got like, no. Then she goes like, oh, okay, then in that case, you need to be recommended by two comedians of played there for 10 years. Damn. And then I got like, okay, Esty.

Now, remember this whole time, the table, they just look at me, like, going like, what's happening now? Yeah, because now you've interrupted. Yes, what's happening? The table. Yeah, the table. So, but I didn't about this.

So then I go like, yeah, Estée, understand all these restrictions. You don't want trash on your stage. All these are quality control measures. But in my defense, I've come a long way I've come from Africa that should count for something

then she goes like oh that's funny oh okay can you send me something I'll wave some of these things can you send me something on email and I go like okay so she gives me her email address and I go like of course you know she's blowing me off I've seen this story before you know girls give you the wrong number

I got like oh yes this is blowing me off then I go back to my place like 1 30 and then I send her something I said I had done like a clip about Obama becoming president and I saw her 12 minutes later she responds. And she goes, oh, this is different and funny. Come through and perform.

So I go through. Same night? No, no. This is like five nights later. I go through to perform. Yeah. And then I perform. She comes down.

She comes down to see you. She comes. So I went on after Luisike. And when Louisique came off. No, I went on after him. And then I go and perform five minutes. I perform. And then people laugh at my punchlines.

And then Deva Tell, who is a comedy legend in New York. comes on after me. And then he goes like, as I'm walking off, he goes like, hey, yo, can you hold on a moment? Then he goes like, are you really from Uganda? He goes like, yeah, I don't believe it. You knew so much about American politics and this. Then he goes like, this guy, I think, is a Brooklyn comedian

whose whole stick is, I'm in Uganda. So then makes jokes, makes jokes, did I come off. Then I said, how was it? I got like, oh, it was fun. It was funny. They laughed and punchlines. But man. Louis Seek and Devertale, wow, people laugh at their silences and their gestures.

Wow, I want to be like that. So can I come back and just watch and learn? I don't want to go back on stage. Can I just come and watch and learn the master? And she goes like, oh, I like that. I like that. I like that. You know, okay?

So she calls a member of the weights off and she goes like, this guy is going to be coming in. Like comp his food and drinks. Oh, wow. And now in Estee's mind, I think she thought of becoming in once a week. That's why the food and drinks. Once every time, but now I'm an African in New York. I know no one. And you're offering food.

And drinks. I was there every night. Every night. And so I would go sit. They bring my food and my drink. I eat. She made a, she made, it's a cardinal error. Cardinal error.

Offering an African free food. So I'm eating. I'm eating. And then I see the comedians come off. And you know, I'm with writer. So when you know, comedians come off, I give them notes, hey, maybe you should change this. Maybe you should change this. I give, you know, many comedians.

I give Louis CK a note because he had a joke where he had the punchline in the middle and then when he started talking you would like talk over the laughter so I give him a note and everyone loses their minds they go like you oh there's this African

who gave Louis CK the Louis CK but I mean I didn't seem as a Louis CK I saw him as a comedian and now cutting wrong story short in two weeks no no long story

no no no listen there's no you should cut it you should cut it no no no no because now I'm going to Trevor I'm going to meet She didn't cut alone.

But don't cut us. There's nothing to cut. There's nothing to cut. Okay, okay. There's no, it's already a long story. Oh, okay. Okay, okay. Okay, so, okay, so I'm now a permanent fixture at the seller.

So then one day I come down, you know, the steps, the famous steps. Yeah. And then I see Trevor. I see you, you are prepared you to go on. You're preparing to go on stage. So I come and go like, oh, Trevor. Because you don't go like, oh. Well, then I got like, oh, I'm a big fan.

Then, you know, talk a bit. Because Trevor is very. polite. Oh, yeah. So then he goes on stage. I've seen his polite. I mean, you'll write about it. He would indulge you.

So then he comes back. Then Trevor goes like, wait. Because then when you're going on, you had your jacket. You were taking off your jacket. I'll hold it. Then you gave it to me. Then you go on, perform, perform. Come back.

Then I go like, oh, then I think I tried to give you a note to something. I'm going like, hey, wait. Are you the Ugandan guy? Are you like African, African comedian? Then I go like, yeah, I am. Then I go like, yeah, I am. You said African twice? Yes.

Then you, no, African, Africa. Yeah, yeah. Then he goes like, oh, I've been receiving texts about you. Yeah, you're the one who gave Louis C. Then I got like, yeah, I told him how to change. Then you go like, oh, people have been texting me like, yo, Trevor, there's an African, African comedian. Forget you. This one sounds like an Africa, Africa.

So then we, he goes like this one sounds like, yes. Like he just jumped out of like, you know, coming to America or those movies. So then we go up and then we start like. Is he holding the jacket? No, no, I've given it back to him. I know, I'm not that kind of guy. Because Estee made that mistake. So then we go up and this was around like 8, 8.30 and then we just start talking.

And we talk like, I think up to like five. Just talking about soccer, live, comedy. And then you went like, oh, this was fun. We should do it again. Again. Critical mistake because I'm there every night. Comes back the next night. We hang out.

And that's when you told me about Dave. You went like, oh, no, I contacted Dave. Oh, and Dave thinks you're a cool guy. You're a good guy. good people oh, we should hang out and I feel like that's when we started dang out

and then that's when we had the incident with Neil Brennan Yeah, but pause there so I'll tell you how this unfolded for me okay so I was born away lad

in South Africa on a rainy rainy Monday they say that my mother turned to me as I came out of her womb No don't go anywhere because we got more

what now after this. From my side of the story, this is what happened. I used to go to the comedy seller all the time, I'm doing my thing. All of a sudden, I start getting texts from random people. Yo, is this guy your friend? Yo, who is this guy? Basically, every text, it's basically come get your man's. That's what every text, the subtext is.

There's an African at the comedy seller. is this yours but they're saying it like they're saying it like I have a portal a portal and a responsibility every single person was like hey there's an African here

is he waiting for you is he here for you then I was like guys do you know how big Africa is I was like this is why we need to change that map because you guys think this guy's from my house so anyway people keep texting me they keep texting me they keep texting me

the day with Louis I was actually there and I saw this in person I remember I thought you were just some random straggler who's hanging around. Louis came off stage and then you accosted Louis and you're like Ah, Louis, then you're like, can I give you a note No, I was still in that

That's a punchline, huh? I was sounding like you Gra. Then you were like, I don't know who this guy. No, Louie, I noticed there was a punchline that you were No, there was a moment that you missed. So I was thinking that maybe you could Then I remember being like, yo bra, this is a random audience member giving

one of the greatest comedians of our generation notes. Who is this person? So basically you are an observer at that Yeah, I was, he didn't even see me. I was just like, damn, whoever that guy was, that's like, I was just craziness. You were Humpty Dumpty and Puss and Boots. I kept on moving, kept on moving, right? Then we spoke that night, you're talking about the night.

But before that, what actually happened was Dave sent me a message and he said something to the effect of, I could probably find it if I looked in my WhatsApp because you can just go back yours. Do you mind saying it in Dave's voice? So, okay, I'll do it in there. So then Dave sends me a message. here is voice in the message so that would be fake but you know it now yeah but that would be fake

if I repeat something he said I'll do it so sends me a message and the message says yo there's a random Ugandan you're going to meet no really he goes like I'm paraphrasing but I think I'm going to get it sort of right he goes like there's a random Ugandan you're going

to meet he's going to seem like the most random person you've ever met and your first instinct will be to not speak to him your first instinct will be to not speak to him This is a growing review. Your first instinct will be to not speak to him. But I promise you now, he's one of the smartest human beings you've ever met in your life. As smart as you think I am, he's 10 times more smart.

He's super funny. He knows everything about comedy. You see, there you go. Not more smart. Yeah. So, there you go. You see? So then he's like, so please give him a chance, talk to him, hang out with him.

He wants to do comedy in America. and I told him that he must speak to you. So because of Dave now, I go, oh, okay. You must be. This guy's not random because Dave introduces me to no one. And I mean no one. To him and then like one homeless guy. These are the only people that Dave is like...

Which makes it two homeless people. So the only people that Dave has ever like introduced me to, okay? So the homeless guy came many years later when I knew Dave. You were like the first... So Dave doesn't do that. So anyway, so I've got... So that's how I make... contact with you so I go like all right you've been you've really been vetted or somebody has

vouched for you so I have to I don't even know what the deal is but I was like I have to just get to know you and then he wasn't wrong I mean within 10 minutes of hanging out with you I was like this is you're one of the weirdest person you're like an alien who I've always told you this though you're like an alien because the way you see the world and the way you operate in it is alien like it you you you don't take into account many of the um many of the social norms that people take into account like one day i remember i was walking with you in a park and we were we just finished playing a game of soccer here in new york and we're walking across the field in the park and some people are playing baseball in one corner other people are doing sprints other people

are just working out and we're walking back with our bags and there was a family with their babies and there's like one baby one baby and one toddler and the toddler came running in our direction so white family white everything and the toddler comes running in our direction i'm like what i'm just like whatever it's a child joe and i remember seeing this in slow motion joe and drops kicks their baby and i remember seeing this in slow motion I got like, take that weighty Joe Joe runs

The kid runs towards us Joe runs towards the kid Grabs them But this is like Like a movie where It's like The kid is like Uncle Joe or something

Joe grabs the baby Baby I am looking out of the corner of my eye Like this Because this is all happening Sort of in slow motion So I'm like No

Don't touch the baby Joe grabs the baby and then hoists the baby up and starts like throwing the baby but like he's known this like a family member and Joe throws this baby up and he's like oh no look at you

I know baby now as he grabbed the baby from behind the baby another corner of I see the parents now you know this is happening in the space of seven seconds max but you know how fast your mind can process things in those moments. I'm panicking

I see them turn they've just seen this guy grabbing their child in a park hoisting them I see them turn you see the look on their faces like oh shit it's happening

this African is adopting no you see that you saw he's reversing the rolls this is now my UNICEF baby I'm going to give up a cup of coffee every day I'm going to make your dreams come through so I see the panic

in their eyes so I'm but before I can tell Joe don't do it and I'm trying to almost tell them he's okay he's okay it's too late and he has and then the dad comes running in you can see he's like basically failed in his life because he comes running in but it's too late because Joe has his baby

and Joe takes the baby throws the baby up and then the baby diffused the whole thing because the baby had more fun in like those two seconds I can't even explain it to you and then the dad came and just stood by us while Joe just carried on

he didn't even go like that's my baby or he just stood there like I guess they know each other he was so thrown by what he had experienced that he didn't know what to do and then the mom came holding the baby so the toddlers in Joe's arms she's holding another baby

and they're just standing there like they're standing there the way you would stand if like a bear had grabbed your child from a grim camping no one moved but your child is giggling and the bear is just juggling your child and the bear's just juggling your child

and the child's having a good time and no one no one moved and then Joe was just like oh no look at oh look at you oh no oh look at one pop pop pop pop and then he put the baby down and the baby was just like yeah the baby was ecstatic

that toddler was ecstatic and then the parents like scoop the kid up and the people were like and then yeah the parents scoop the kid up he lives to fight another day and looked at us

like hey thank you hey and then they walked away you could see they were shocked and they felt like they had escaped something unison

and then Joe just carried on what he was talking about before he's like no so here's the thing if we can press them if the defense moves forward next time we can't find it then I said Joe Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe. Then I said Joe, Joe, Joe.

Don't ever do that again. No, but I was like, my man, my man. In America, a black man cannot go around grabbing white people's babies. I was like, Joe, don't do. Then he's like, no, what do you mean? What, what do you do? Then I said, Joe, but the babies love it. They love it when you throw.

I was like, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe. I'll say this. I'll say this. I wouldn't trust my baby with a guy with that accent. A hundred percent. The guy who's speaking the way he's speaking. In their defense, they do hear. No, no, no.

But I'm saying in the defense. The guy who's accent you're making. That guy. That guy would install number one. But I, and that was one of the first moments where I was like, you'd, because you, even saying it in the story, nobody would ever at the comedy seller go up to the comedians table with Esty and Luis E.K. and Aziz Ansari and Colin Josten and just interrupt a conversation. And then also be like, when they go like, no, you can't come.

Be like, no, let me tell you why I should. But also. not in like an asshole way. That's why I say you're like an alien. No, but I'll say this. So to the kid's story, for me the reason it didn't stand out till Trevor pointed it out was

I'll do that with a kid in Uganda. So I didn't grow up with the racial dynamics of America or South Africa. Even baby dynamics. No, no, because I don't want to think about babies. I've had like, I have a nets. So kids, the thing I love with kids

is what you see is what you get. They're not like adults. Yes. You have fun with them. the gift. So I had I'm not speaking about the baby. I had another experience like that. So I was at a park. You've done it again. No, no, no. I was at a park. Listen, because it's instinctive. Listen, I was at a

park. Cash Patel, listen. We don't know this guy. At FBI. What's that? At Stephen Miller. What are you? Two failed attempted human trafficking. At White House. I'm out.

My visa? I don't want to be. I don't want to be. No, he's the thing. So who at the park? I was with a friend who was good. you know, cat, right? You know, cat, right? And we, so this kid, you know. Who's we? No, you know, you go with your friends who have kids with the path.

So I'm pushing the kid on the swing. You know this kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is my friend's kid. And then there's a kid next in another swing who's being pushed by a kid, a fellow kid. And so I'm pushing this kid. And then the other kid over pushes, over balances, the other kid falls. Yeah.

And my instinct immediately go and grab the kid and start kissing him on the forehead. Oh my gosh. It's okay. No, no, no, I got a cake. No, because the kid is crying. Oh, my God. So, there's an indictment. No, listen. I feel like, what are we doing?

So I'm, I feel like, what am I part of? I feel like that Epstein tape where they're like, you know these kids, yeah? So I'm asking, no, listen. So I'm soothing the kid. I'm going to take. Why are you doing that with your name? Because the kid is crying. No.

No, because you. Joe. No. So, so when you are the kid, listen, you're hugging the kid. Listen We're going to change I'm sorry guys Self incriminating

No no Listen No so I'm like So I'm going like So you know when you're hugging The kid and the kid is crying No I don't know I'm like hey hey hey

To camera I have never had a stranger I've never sued them With their lips But the kid is crying I don't care I'm saying that's what I'll go to a kid in Uganda I would go like hey

Kid there there There's okay It's okay you're brave We have swings Come on So I go like I got like, they are there, you know, it's okay, you're a brave, you're a brave, you're a brave little man. Don't worry, don't worry.

And then the mom comes. And the mom, you know, she had the same look of panic. Like, oh, what's this stranger doing with my kid? But then the kid keeps quiet and telling me, you're strong, brave. And then the mom goes like, oh, okay, oh, thank you so much. Because the mom and I was playing with another kid. Yes. She was like on the other side.

Well, the problem is having two kids here. I think just one child gives you attention. So for me, for me, in my mind, it's the same thing Trevor will have with police. No, no, no. No, it's the same thing we have with policemen. When policemen stop us The way I talk to Okay, so again, another story

When I came to America before, I met you I had this friend who was from Philly So one day we're going to a comedy club And we get lost in the subway, right? Yeah. So then he's going like Oh, well, he doesn't know which train to take Because it was from Philly, I'm from Africa We don't know the thing. So I go, so I see

Subway Corps, I see like the Corps in the Subway So I may just walk up to them And I go like, hey, guys, we are lost So which train and then this guy just keeps his distance. my friend and then I come back and tell him they said we take the air to take us to the village

and so then it goes like what's happening? Then I go like oh then you're black and black we never approach policemen like that. Then I go like what do you mean? Then it goes like they could have shot you those interactions don't end well then I told him but they're there

to serve us so I told him if they shot me I'll die more out of shock I'm going like this guy's suck at their jobs because in Uganda and Dev knows this in Uganda why would you shoot me? Shock, the number one killer of Ugandan's in America.

So this guy was going like, I don't understand why would you just approach a bunch of... But that's what I would do in Uganda. If I'm lost, I would approach the policeman. I'm going to like, hey. And he couldn't believe it. I'm just picturing this guy. I don't...

A black guy from Philly. Yes. And he just watched you approach the cop. very confident with swagger's way. Start kissing them and throwing them up. You are strong little soldier. Then you're like, I know. Which way can we go?

No, so the thing is when you didn't grow up in the culture. But this is what I'm trying to say. Can I ask another question? Of course. Great. This is what the show is all about. We love the fans. Okay, thank you.

Please. The one interesting thing that Joe has, I've known you for like 12, 13 years, whatever it may be and I have never because you know let me this is sort of like an anomaly kind of situation that you guys have described

or he has described kissing strangers babies anomaly for who? No, with context, my God. No, I get the context. No, no, no, I get the context. No, yes, yeah, what I'm saying is that if they edit out to this part,

no, what I'm saying is, What I'm saying is that the part that I find the most interesting out of you, the most, most interesting, is that I've known you for whatever it is, 12, 13, 14 years, whatever it may be, and I've spent a lot of time with you. And in all that time that I have spent with you, I have never for five minutes seen you upset or in a bad mood. That's what I'm saying he's an alien. No, I'm saying.

So could you explain that? That's sort of, it goes to the alien thing, right? Actions that people might find themselves doing in a certain setting, that can be cultural, you know? So in one culture, people hold pinky fingers, men, when they walk in the streets, they hold pinky fingers. In another place, that happens all over the world. So that happens in India, in the Middle East, even parts of South Africa, guys would do it. Yeah. Yeah.

You've never seen cousins No, no, no, no, never seen cousins doing it. Yeah, yeah, come on. Come on, no, come on. In Hamanskarl, guys would do that? No, they would. You've never seen that. You've never seen that.

They would do that. But that's normal in a lot of places. That's culture. Yeah, I'm saying that's normal in a lot of places, right? But in other places, they'll go like, that's crazy. Okay. So these are cultural things. What Dave's hitting on here is, is like,

the evidence that makes it more likely that you're an alien. Okay? and that and that evidence is what alien from up there not alien like Trump no no not Trump alien relax no no no no don't I don't worry about that no no no what I'm saying is you Dave's right I also have never seen you depressed sad angry all the like whatever we call them like negative and not in like a fake way by the way I'm not talking like oh that person's always in a good mood not like that not like that because I've seen you pensive.

I've seen you mourning somebody or something bad that's happened. When my grandmother passed away, you came over. It's not like you were like, ah, grandmothers, who cares? You were like, you know what I mean? You cried, like, you were like with me in the moment is what I mean. But I'm saying it's like a state of being.

I've never seen you like, we've never seen you. Not positive. But you know why? Yeah, why? Because I'm hashtag winning. You know this? And I've told you this. You know the truth.

Trump speech where he goes like, we're going to win so much. You're going to start telling you. We're going to be winning so much. You're going to be tired of winning. Tired of winning. So much winning. You're going to say, Mr. President.

Mr. President, we're tired. We can't take it anymore. We can't take it anymore. We're tired of winning. So much winning. So much winning. I'm a Ugandan. Think about it.

I'm a Ugandan. Yeah. First of all, working legally in New York. Yeah. But not just working legally. Working at the daily show. Right? How many Ugandans get to do that?

So me, I've always been very Kimoka doesn't count Kimoka is Ugandan light So No I'm Ugandan Ugandan, no So anyway the thing is I've always been

hyper aware Of how like I am Like from And this is way before the daily show I've always been Being born in Africa Being born as a guy in Africa As opposed to being born

A woman in Africa Already you're winning Because a guy in Africa Has certain privileges and he's given more you way than a girl so I've always been hyperware about like I am I've always been hyperware of my privilege so to speak so when people complain about things

people get you know when people complain about things oh this is not working out I go like my life everything is working out literally I walked into the comedy seller got a chance to perform I walked into their show got a chance to meet them out of the blue we became friends everything I feel like I'll put it like this I don't like sweat the little stuff

if that makes sense so for example today you guys came late for the podcast what did you say first Joe we are sorry we kept you and in my man I'm like why you apologizing remember when we when we planned when we made a plan

to watch El Classico Dave you were there we planned to watch El Classico it was going to be at 2 Barcelona Real Madrid biggest game in the world I turn up to your apartment 145 you guys come in at four right right you and dave walking at four this game was supposed to start at two and trevor and dave walking full of apologies and then i go like why are you guys apologizing like

because other people would be upset then Trevor tells me your people would be upset because we made a plan you're supposed to watch then we're like why though like why would they be upset like you and dave wanted to watch the game we planned to watch the game but you didn't show up on time That means something more agent came up or you were held up. You are not hiding somewhere around the corner going like, oh, let's make your weight. Something just came up. And then Trevor goes like, ah, but I don't, but you know, other people would be upset. You know, maybe disrespected.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Then I told him, no. Why would I be. Do that apology. So Trevor is going like, oh, other people feel disrespected at their time.

Then I go like, no, but it wasn't my time. It was your time. basically you were the one who's not here you know no you you lent me your time it wasn't I'm not entitled to your time you told me let's meet at two but it wasn't my time it was your time

you just lent it to me but I was entitled to it so then I go like I can't be upset let's the game you recorded it you remember you went like oh yeah yeah so then we watched a game and then I was because for me I don't understand why like so something's more like that let's say I arranged a date

with a girl and I don't turn up on time she shouldn't be upset. She should go like, oh, Joe wanted to have this date. Joe wanted to have this dinner with me. But for some reason, he didn't. Something must have come up. Instead of putting yourself fast, going like, me, me, me, me, I got disrespected, me, me, me, this and that.

Go like, oh, why did the other person not? Because, think about this way. If you plan a dinner date or to watch a game, and then you don't turn up on time, and then I find out you were in an accident, I don't get upset. that makes sense because I stopped putting myself fast I stopped going like oh my god

are you okay were you yeah so for me that's how I look at most things I don't sweat the small things I remember when I told you about the relationship I have with my family right with my sisters and because my family my siblings have access to all my money to my background house remember

I told you this and then you went like what what if they stole the money now I'm lucky that my family were very close in it but also you went like But what if they're not like, I wouldn't sweat it? I genuinely wouldn't because I would go like, oh, they know they can ask me for the money. They know they have access to their money.

So if they stole it, that means they were sold this by something myself come up, right? And I would rather they steal my money than go still a stranger's money. Because if they see the stranger's money, now it's courts, now it's prison, now it's this, now my mom is stressed, my dad is stressed. Now they stole my stress. But if they steal my money, then I'll go like, oh, That means they needed it more than I needed it. I've had the same mentality when we were in school, boarding school in Uganda. People would go like, oh, like, you know, leaving your suitcase,

like people would like lock them and everything. And I'd go like, no, why? If someone can approach me and ask me for something, if they feel they need to go and steal, which, you know, results in expulsion and suspension, they needed that thing. They needed that thing more than I needed it. Here's a question then.

So even in terms of, okay, let's just say, okay, that I can get it conceptually. But then how do you deal with, like, being a morning person? Do you know what I mean? Sometimes you're just in a bad mood because you can get enough sleep. I don't believe in the concept of so much sleep. And Trevor knows this. And you know this as well. Because I go, like, I'm winning so much at life.

I don't want to sleep. Because if you're sleeping, then you're not winning. you're just lying there. You're not actively... No, no. No, sleeping is one of the only activities where you're not actively enjoying the thing. So when I'm watching a soccer game,

I go like, wow, this is amazing. When I'm watching a Broadway show, when I'm having a conversation, I'm eating food, I go like, oh, this is delicious. This is amazing. When I'm sleeping, I'm like this glass. I'm not actively enjoying the thing. Now, I understand the benefit of sleep.

You're fresh and all this. But I'm going like... For me, sleepings are going on social media. people who win are not on social media because they're busy winning at life they're busy enjoying life sleeping means so me when I was here

when I was a bit you know in my teenagers I was like yo if I make it I watch every show I'll read every book I'll do things and now I'm at that stage in my life where

I really could watch every show because you're a member of the guild they give you all these screenings I could read every book because I'm in New York I can access to them the one thing I don't have It's time. I don't have enough time to do it

because I only have 24 hours in a day. So I want to spend a minimum of those hours sleeping. As little as possible. As little as possible because I have things to do. We play soccer up to two. I have things to do.

So sleeping, because it's one thing I don't actively enjoy, is one thing. So I sleep. And Trevor knows this. I sleep. And you have seen me. We've gone on vacation.

I sleep at most three hours a day. Three hours a last. I think you have that gene that I spoke to a doctor who works in like gene editing and he told me that there's some people who are genetically predisposed to not needing sleep. I think you're one of those people because I've been with, remember, we went to the World Cup together. We've gone to two World Cups actually. You know, people can tell you who they are all they want. When you spend almost 24 hours a day with them over a certain period of time, the cracks start to show.

I went with this guy. we went to every game and then we went to events afterwards and then in the morning we did something else and this man does not sleep and he's fine with it

like three, four hours a night maximum but more than that to Dave's point even when we couldn't get those hours sleep I was grumpy I remember what did you sound like when it was grumpy

I remember no he would just refuse we went shooting and he just went like I'm going to patting guy and we went yeah I have to get my beauty sleep. I never said beauty. Okay.

I never said it in your tone. Now you see how I feel when you do me. I go like, I don't sound like that. And you go like, no, Joe sounds like this. That's how. That's exactly how it feels. That's exactly how it feels. For me, it's, for me, it's simple, Eugene.

For me, because I've explained it to Trevor. And he tried it and he had a terrible time when I can never. So for me, the way, look at sleep is a goal, right? I'm up. I'm up. And then I go like, oh, crap, it's two. I have work tomorrow. Okay, I can squeeze in two more hours at least. Okay, two more hours of doing fun stuff. Then I go like, oh, I have good sleep because I function. In the same way, you eat food. Some people don't enjoy food, but they eat it because they need it for sustenance. So, for me, the why sleep is I realize you don't enjoy sleep.

What you enjoy is the act of falling to sleep. What you enjoy is the promise. What you enjoy is the promise of sleep. This is the weirdest thing Joe does. Yes. Just wait. So for me, I sleep three hours. This is the weirdest thing Joe does.

I sleep three. It's not weird at all. It makes sense. I sleep three hours. Tell the people what you do. But every other hour, every hour, every hour, I set an alarm. Every hour. Yes.

So I go to bed at four, sit an arm for five, sit down for six, sit another for seven. So I wake up. Every hour. Dave, stop snigger. Like you're in maximum security. Yeah, no, no, listen. So I wake up. So when I wake up at four, at five, rather.

I got like oh my god I have to go to work right then I go like oh no I still have two more hours you know that feeling on your alarm that feeling the promise of most sleep so I have that feeling

you reset to accept your excitement so I get it so I simulate that so I got like oh I have two more hours so then I enjoy the process of going back to sleep then I wake up an hour later and I go like oh man

I have to go then I go like oh my God I have another hour right yeah then I go back to sleep then I wake up now I'm enjoying sleep I'm actively enjoying it then by the time I feel

I think this is why it works by the time I wake up actually I really wake up to actually go to work I feel like I've had more sleep than I was supposed to have yeah it's not it's not

it's not let's say you know that today you're gonna need $200 there's people who withdraw $1,000 and every time they spend they still have a lot left because you think

oh I've used up the 200 instead of imaginary ping I got to have $800 yes yes I understand this, but where the analogy falls apart is there's no REM and deep sleep in your wallet. I'm saying the thing you are doing is these are white people are American things. This is alien, my friend. No, this is human being things.

No, but also remember, I'm letting you know this. Remember, I'm the one guy who can. You remember I tried this. Yes. You remember I tried this. No, but you have to build up with this case. Yo, build up to what? Yes.

I've done this since I was a teenager. Yeah, but let me. Do not try this. Whoever you are at home, do not try this. Also, at home, I would like to reiterate that this is true. You know, you often probably watch a lot of podcasts and a lot of information where people are doing tell you about the research that they did on sleep. You know, the research that they did on happiness, the research that they, this is the, this is real.

He's answered your guys' questions where you said, how do you maintain such happiness and you've never seen him there? He's told you. No, but that's, I wouldn't recommend that for. But this isn't something that people could apply. man no no no but what i'm saying is what he's saying is he's built up the muscle no i get that but i'm saying you can't build up that muscle no matter who you are yes you can't what do you mean no no no no let me let's break it into two parts there's one part which is how you perceive life the other part is

physiological okay you can't i don't drink water because i think water no i drink just enough water for sustenance yes but what i'm saying is i'm saying most human beings on this planet most are unable to sleep for three hours a day and function. It's just, you can't do it. Because they want to sleep all three hours in one round-south. Yeah, but there's one in war zones who do it. Yeah, but they don't come out right. Remember, remember the ability to do something.

It's like some people who have a greater lung capacity. Like, what's his name? The swimmer. Michael Phelps, right? Produces less lactic acid than the average human. So it's genetic. So when you are doing something that's genetic, you sort of can't people, you can't give people advice on that.

because they can't do it. Like, if Michael Phelps said to you, well, what I do is I just don't make as much lactic acid and then my muscles don't burn. For me, the big thing is that, no, no, no, no. How do you account for training and conditioning? No, but that's separate. Okay, so can I tell you how, for me, it came up?

And it came up by accident, almost. So, when we were in boarding school in Uganda, remember, boarding school is like military. Can I tell you how I thought it came up before? I thought the way I thought it came up is because you're from Uganda, which is a poor country, you thought you had to pay for sleep, and so you could only afford.

And believe it. That's what I said. He's Uganda-Landering our country. So he's, okay, no, here's a thing. So when we went boarding school, remember, it was like military, it was like prison, right? So you have to go study, do this.

Everything is like prison. So the only time we had was, because we used to go for prep, which is like you study after hours. So we would go for prep from seven because you spend the whole day studying, studying. Now you have to read, do self-reading.

So we'd go for prep from seven, to nine, then it would come out, then now you have to go and prepare to go to bed. And because I loved soccer so much and I loved sports so much, we used to wait for midnight to listen to BBC Sports on radio, which was illegal because you couldn't bring in a radio, but we found away. So BBC Sports was like, that was our thing, me and a group of other football, like soccer-loving guys. So I would listen to BBC Sports to hear the roundup of the news, what happened in the Premier League,

what happened in the Champions League, then from, it would end at around midnight 30. then from midnight that everyone else is sleeping midnight 30 to like three now we are discussing what happened you know soka like you discuss discussing discussing discussing

this was our moment where I went like oh now we're in control of our moment and then we go to bed at around four then you have to wake up at six and we used to do this because BBC sports was there every day and we used to do this every day

now I don't know whether the other guys kept it up they're dead probably yes but the thing is you guys were able to do it as a group. Yes. So that's conditioning. I think I made it.

You're not hearing what I'm saying. I'm not disputing the merits of conditioning. It is possible for a human being to do things that they couldn't do before by doing something repeatedly. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying there is an extra element that now creates what we call the super athlete or there'll be people who have memories that are outsized. There are people who will be able to jump or run faster because their muscles twitch in a different

way. So I'm saying you have that for. sleep. But what's more impressive to me, because genes are genes you don't choose them. What's more impressive to me, and I think it's to what Dave was looting to is, you see, you dismissed it very quickly as like, I have a positive attitude because my life's going well. I work at the daily show and I live in America and I got to do. Yeah, but I'm like, but you've constantly taken that framing even when the winning is not apparent. Does that make sense? So now, it seems obvious because you work at the daily

show and now it seems obvious because you work in New York and you're in America and you so then it's like oh that's like an obvious but if I took the daily show away from you it doesn't affect me because I would still go. Yeah I was me without the daily you see so you'd go like oh man I'm still winning then I go like okay and I'll kick you out of America

I would go like I was European before America there you go you see you're still winning then I go like okay you also can't travel the world I'm going to kick you back to Uganda I was happy in Uganda no okay no but this wait wait this is what I'm trying to show you So I go like, I'm going to take that away from you. I'm also going to take away all the money you've earned in your life.

I was happy when I had no money. There you go. Do you see what I'm saying? So this is like what I'm trying to get to. And this is what's always fascinated me about you as a person. You've helped, by the way, you've helped me. I've even told you, you've helped me with this tremendously. Because before I met you, I used to succumb to the idea of a failure or a sadness that I had imposed on myself.

One of my favorite memories, this one, this was the first time you did it to. be was we were walking home from the daily show and we had just started we were like a few months in it was a Friday afternoon we're walking down 11th Avenue in New York traffic is backed up so it's bumper to bumper everyone is there honking away cars going crazy I don't hear any of this the only thing I can hear in my head is the fact that we're having a terrible time at the show because the ratings are bad John Stewart has death left we've lost 30 percent the viewers. Things were terrible. It's like, man, are we ever going to be able to make this work? Here we are some random Africans. I'm hosting the show to Americans. I sound like Joe. Do you know what

I mean? So I'm there on TV and I'm like, ah, welcome to the daily show. Can you believe it? We used to get hate mail because people would say like, why do I say, like, why do I say like words incorrectly? Like aluminum. Yeah. Not just aluminum. Yeah, but that's like an obvious. Controversy. Oh, yeah. Controversy and controversy. Because Americans say, which one? Controversy. Who used to go like, why do you say that again? And I was like, but that's not how we say it. We would get letters. How can this person host the show when they don't even know the correct way to pronounce it?

So all these things are piling on. All these things are piling on. So we walk out of the building. It's a Friday. So we haven't done a show. And we're walking down the street. And man, I'm just feeling it. I'm feeling it.

And the reason I'll never forget it is because around the same time, Leslie Jones had just done Ghostbusters, right? And so it was the all-female reboot of Ghostbusters. And she was getting a lot of hate online and people were saying terrible things about it. You know, cool, all of this. That was happening at exactly the same time. So we're walking out of the building. It's me and Joe.

Joe is Joe, his chipper normal self. So it's Joe on one side, cars on the other side. And then as we walk past the block of the Daily Show, there was a, a woman in a BMW it was a drop top but like one of the one of the older editions maybe like a three series

but like maybe a decade back and she honks and she goes oh my God hey Trevor I love you I love the daily show yeah I was like thank you

thank you very much and I put my head down and I carried on right and I carried on what I was saying to Joe and I was like man this is so hard

and I don't know if we're ever going to crack this and you know it feels like we're not getting anywhere and like, man, people don't like us just because of who we are and how do we figure this out and this is such a hard journey

and then she says that and I acknowledged her and then I carried on walking and I'll never forget Joe stopped me like just before the end of the block because I carried on as I was saying you know, it's so terrible

it's so this one then Joe was like just like, what are you doing? I was like, what do you mean? He's like, what do you doing? I said, what do you mean? What am I doing? He said, are you,

are you winning or losing in life? I was like, well, right now I'm losing. Then he's like, you're losing. Then he's like, I'll never forget. You turned, you stop me and you're like, oh my God, you're losing. Then you're like, Trevor, there was a woman in a BMW drop top screaming that she loves your show. No one paid her.

No one asked her to be here. She told you this. He's like, but you're going to listen to the internet. Here's a real human being telling you this to your face. but you're going to listen to the internet. Then he's like, oh, he's like, it's this Leslie Jones. She's headlining a summer blockbuster movie. She's achieved something that most actors will never get to do in their entire lives.

But she's focusing on the tweets. You two are the same. You're choosing your misery. You're choosing to be unhappy despite the world showing you every opportunity to choose something else. Then he's like, if you're going to choose that, you can't be my friend. because I don't hang out with losers You know when someone speaks to you Like you're in a movie

Because I was like who says that in real life You can't be my friend Because I don't hang out with losers And then Joe went In classic Joe fashion Joe was like He's like he's like He's like he's like

He's like I don't know about you But me I'm hashtag winning He's like If you cannot see that you're hashtag winning Ah Then you should walk away from the daily show You must go home

Because you are a loser Not because you are losing but because you have chosen to lose so you can make your choice but I know I've chosen my because to take it back to me being a gun and working gear the way I used to think of it is

how many comedians in South Africa would change places with Trevor in an instant if you told them they would host a daily show and would Trevor be willing to go back to South Africa and be the comedian watching a South African comedian

headlining this important show so for me they were used to look at it is the way you still look at it yeah so Trevor had like there was one blogger in salon salon reform who was always hammering Trevor hammering like how he's not John Stewart this and this and Trevor you know of course

you know people on the internet and all this and I used to go like but Trevor you have 200 people who come into the studio every day to watch your live show people are turned away people turned away the studio audience people are turned away there are 200 people minimum who come every day to watch you do a show

Why are you worried about one blogger? Why are you worried about one voice on the internet? So for me, it's the thing I was saying about focusing on things. Same thing with Leslie Jones. You're opening one of the biggest movies. Your black woman was, you know, the challenges of women in comedy. You know challenges of black women in life and comedy. And you've made it finally at 50.

Right? She was like, you've made it finally in this hard world. And now you're fighting online with people. and you're crying and they're making because they're being racist I was like if our and I told you this if I were Leslie Jones

I'd go like these tweets are upsetting me so much I'm going to go and hang out with Tom Cruise right now I'm going to go and jump in a private jet and go hang out with Smith you've worked so hard

and now you're focusing on things that shouldn't matter and for me Trevor and I think you It's funny I told you the story you know sometimes in life things I guess they just happen the way

they're supposed to you said that to me I ended up at an S&L after party, which, by the way, I think I've only been to one in my life. It might be that one. I've never been to another one. I've never been bumped into Leslie Jones,

and I told her what you said. And I remember she messaged me like a week or two after this, and she's like, yo, I don't know who that guy is, but thank you for changing my whole perspective. Like, it's, but that's what I mean is you don't get like. I think the way you put, I feel like he's out to put it. So you can't complain. And I think you said it actually.

You even do it, I'll tell you, I'll tell you on a small level how you even do it. We all love, we all love football, right? Not you. But we all love football. What is they doing here then? So we all love football. Witnessing a deposition, really. And we watch our, we watch our favorite teams, we talk about the game.

My friends who support Man United now are in such a doldrum of despair that one of them in a group text said, I don't know what to tell my son anymore because I just bought him a Man United shirt and when he asks me Daddy what's going wrong I don't know what to say child abuse and this was like his depression and like multiple people they'll look at me and go

man I don't even want to talk about but like with like a deep despair and I think a lot of football fans can acknowledge going through this in some way shape or form right you're a Barcelona fan when Messi left Barcelona and when you guys went through like one of the biggest slumps I remember coming to you

and poking away this man looked at me with a joy that seemed honestly delusional and he went oh man rebuilding is going to be fun he's like oh you should see the kids coming up in the academy oh the world that we're getting great then I was like yeah but you guys are terrible

then you're like, yeah, but oh, that means we're going to rebuild us. That's what, do you understand what I'm trying to say right now? Yes. Because now that's not a foregone. There is no guarantee that Barcelona will get better. I always look at it the same way. When we lost to Liverpool, remember? Yes.

I go like, oh, but it was a great game. I don't, because also soccer is entertainment. So for me, the way, look, and I think you said it. I think I'm borrowing from it. The thing you are doing at the daily show, I felt the thing you're doing at the day show when everything wasn't going great is you are. complaining and bitching about a bird shitting on your Ferrari

but you have a Ferrari how many other people would rather have because you can clean the bad poor off Ferrari you can clean the bird shit off yes yeah how many other people would go like I would rather have that Ferrari

but at least I have a Ferrari so people many times people focus on the bad pool instead of focusing on the Ferrari and for me I call it wasted stress you call it what wasted stress like wasted stress. So, for example, when I came to the daily show,

there was a writer who came and told me she had been writing there seven years and she told me every day when they gave a script to write, she thought it was the last day at work. She thought she would write such a bad script. She would get fired. And this would go like, so wait, you've done this for seven years.

Every day of those seven years, you haven't enjoyed this experience at all because you're stressed about losing this thing. And I was like, no, I told her no. If I lost the daily show, I would go like, oh, thank God I'm going to get the daily show better. I look at it the way if you dated Beyonce, you can either spend the whole time, or if you're married to Beyonce, you can either spend the whole time worrying that Beyonce is going to dump you or you can enjoy it. And go like, hey, if Beyonce dumps me, if Rihanna dumps me, I'll get something better than me.

Because I could get Rihanna. Why do I think she's the best I can get? that means I can get the same or better. And so it's that, I feel like people spend, and I think it's also people do it because it's seen as a sign of adulting, like always worrying about stuff, always being anxious.

And I don't believe in that, because my mom told me, you should never grow up. Until you've grown up, you should never grow up. Then I'm like, oh, how will I? You'll know. But don't grow up because we're always forced to grow up,

like worry. In school, people always be worried. They go like, you're a kid, why are you worried? Just enjoy this experience. again, at the daily, I remember, you hired this producer. And after two weeks, she had never said anything in the meeting. And she comes to me and she goes like, yo, can I have a word? And I went like, oh, what's up?

Then she went like, how do you, how come you confidently pitch jokes and texts in a meeting yet? You have an accent. How come that doesn't, like, hold you back? Because me, every time I talk to say something, I start second guessing myself. Oh, is it smart enough? Would I seem dumb? Oh, this. Then I told her, I don't think about that.

I feel like I belong in the room because I'm in the room. I don't feel any less smart because of my accent. I feel. So then I told her, it's like, and again, wrong, wrong analogy. I said it's like being on Epstein's Island. No one is going around going like, hey, everyone assumes you a billionaire celebrity and you belong. Was this the analogy you used then? I used, no, I used the analogy of like, I used Illuminati.

This is, I was, I was feeling you, you were changing my way of looking at the world, belong in the room, you know, then I'm like, okay, cool him, that one. Then this guy, wow. No, listen, so I've updated it, but back then I said Illuminati. Okay, if you're in the illuminated one then, so what's the updated? So if you're at Epstein Island. No, don't take away Epstein Island. No, don't do that. Don't bring that juju here, bro.

Okay, let me say, if there's a billionaires club, and you show up, no one is going. to go like, okay, let's kick. Everyone assumes you're a billionaire because you're there. So I told this girl the fact that you're a daily show, everyone assumes you're smart. So you have the opposite of imposter syndrome is what you're saying. Because I don't understand imposter. Because I'm going like,

you might say damn stuff, but no one will assume you're dumb because you're in the room. But what if they do assume you dumb? Why would they? No, but what if they do? Then I don't care because I don't care what people think about me. Oh, there you go. I don't. Okay, now there you go. Now you're getting an interesting thing. I've said this to like comedians when they go on stage and they are nervous.

I got like, I don't care if I bomb because I know I'm funny. I made people laugh all my life. If people, so. No, no. So this is actually what I'm trying to get to. You see, this is not, now we've hit the nail on the head, actually.

We've gone deeper here. You are, how often would you say you buy clothes? Never. My sisters buy me clothes, but I've never gone shopping. Yes. And they only buy me clothes because they use my credit card.

So they're guilty. So they go like, let's buy him something. Let's give him something. Yeah, but you literally. Yeah, I've never. I've never, ever, ever heard you say the phrase, I'm going shopping or I'm going to buy clothes, ever, ever. That's an interesting.

Rolling with you, anyone who knows you knows. You're notoriously the guy who will be wearing like free t-shirts from like the local hardware store and local real estate agencies and like that's you. And I remember one day saying to you, this is a crazy one. I was going on a date one day. And then Joe and I walked back to the apartment. You might have been there as well, but we walked back to the apartment. and then Joe went

I was like let me go get changed then Joe was like changed for what I said I'm going to go to a date and then you went but you're already dressed then I said no no I'm going to dress up

for the date and this broke your mind like I literally remember you going but you're dressed then I said yes but I want to dress for the date and then you basically said why are you trying to appear

the way that you are not why not just show up the way that you are and then I was like well then but then you're not putting your best foot forward and then you said something that has stuck with me forever you basically said if you're going to go on a date as your best self meet somebody as your best self

have them fall in love with you as your best self and then turn into your real self how can you blame them when they stop liking you you like verses showing up as your real self with not your best clothes with not your best vibe with not your best energy with not just you not terrible just you and then i said yeah but then what if they don't like you and then you said well then they don't like me at least now i know that they don't like me versus they like me for who i'm not and that's that's a weird you don't understand how weird that is is on an alien level, that's what I'm saying,

is don't care is like the wrong phrase sometimes because it makes it seem like, because you're a caring person. Do you get what I'm saying? Yes. Like if someone said, Joe, you make me uncomfortable, you wouldn't be like,

I don't care what you think about me. That's not the same thing. No, but that's the trap though. Because the thing is, no matter when people go like, I don't care, the next logical progression of that is they turn into jackasses. Yeah. So they turn into maybe Trump or people,

People take, so when you have the ability not to care, people abuse it. Doesn't make sense. So they got like, I don't care what anyone thinks, and they think that's a license to be cruel, to be colors, to be it. So the trick is in avoiding that trap. You don't care about what people say or what people think of you, but you still care enough to be a civil human being. Does that make sense? You don't care about what they think. You care about what you think.

Yes, what I think. have to be able to look at myself in the mirror. So if I went on a date and lied to a girl, not lying, but if I dressed up or, also I'm putting too much stock in this guy. I'm just meeting you. Why do I care that much what you think? Why?

And also, like, if you don't come into my life, then you're not in my life before. You're not in my life now. Nothing has changed. It's like this quote where it says, if you care so much about what people think, you'd actually be surprised at how much, how little they think of you.

Yeah. I literally used to be. this too. My mom used to tell me, hey, why are you going out like that? People tell me this at the day, Disha, because remember when he told me, Trevor always invites me to raid his wardrobe. Come and get, because we have the same shoe size and

come and get whatever you want. And he invited me and I just took out one pair of sneakers. And he went like, yo, that's all you. You've seen his house full of sneakers. I went like, yeah. Then I went like, I'll just take one pair. Never. Never. Why would he? No, because he's never invited you because you don't have the same body type.

So here's the thing. So he invites me and goes like, you're only taking one then I'm like yeah one is enough and I've been wearing the same remember when you went like you're still putting on the same shoe every day and I went like yeah because I don't have to wake up and think about what I'm going to dress up I know what I'm going to dress up in because the shoe is there and so for me the why I look at it is

this is an interesting output is like this I have so much aura I don't need to add I need to give Trevor a chance because if I add too much aura now with clothes and how I look and this Trevor has no chance so when you have status you don't need to

put on set as symbols I don't need to wear a watch I don't need to drive the latest car I'm enough that makes sense so to the point of I don't care what people think

so my mom used to go like how are you going to get out dressed to the point we're making why would you go out dressed like that and what would people think or like you put on that yesterday you put on that shoe yesterday or you put on that coat yesterday

people would think you're rebounding the clothes and then I used to tell her if someone loves me so much they notice what I put on yesterday and today then they're such big fans I shouldn't really care what they think they already such big fans because I don't notice what people wear

I literally don't I don't wear what I don't notice what if people I don't notice if you look different if you change your hairstyle that much I just go like oh I'm not bamboozled by what you are I like who you are so it's the same thing

you know I have no formal I'm not a formalist I'm a formal, apart from when, oh, which book would I read? We did this. Remember when you had, when you taped your special Netflix special? Yeah. And we went back to your place. And we were like a small gathering, you, your team, friends.

And we were having a great time. It was a Saturday, I remember. We were having an amazing time. You know, a small party of close people were having fun. People were talking and all these. And then around 2 a.m. You received the phone call from Dave Chappelle. And it was like, hey, I'm at the SNL after.

party and Solange was performing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that was when Beyonce and, yeah, yeah. So then Dave Shapel goes like Solange is performing or performed. So Beyonce and Jezia here, do you want to come through? And then you turn to everyone and we're like, guys, Beyonce, Dave Chappelle, Solange, Jazea at the S&O party, should we hit it? And everyone was like, hell yeah.

And I was like, I'm not leaving. Because I went like, we have a good thing going here. This thing is amazing. everyone who was vibing were having a great time then everyone goes like us we are bouncing Joe you're crazy apart from the people I was talking to

who we were having a great time they were like two girls and you know and we're having great time so you guys bounce we stay because we were having a great time again and a great time and then you guys come back 45 an hour 45 minutes an hour later and you got like

yo it was dead out there so I never have that thing of oh what is a grass greener and this and no i just i just love being in a moment enjoying the thing and so to that to that to that to that point i've never seen the i've never seen the i've never had the urge to value add to myself don't press anything we've got more what now after this Speaking of alien things, how many

how many cruises would you say you've been on? Too many to count. Too many that I have a personal cruise consultant. Yeah, we have to like give this context. So there's one thing that Joe loves more than anything in the world, that's football. If I was to put in order, I would say family, football,

and then in third place cruise ships. Very close that. This man loves going on a cruise ship more than any human being I've ever met in my life. If you've been on a cruise ship, you've probably been on it with this man. Just give a number just to. No, because I try to go every break we have. Okay. And at the daily show, we have a bunch of breaks.

We just had one. Yeah, yeah. So no. No, no, we have like two weeks or three weeks of just came off a month. Yeah, yeah. The one big, beautiful break. Okay. So I try to go because I come from a

Landlocked country. No, no, just tell us the number. We're not near a number. So I've been on probably Wow, more than 25. More than 25 hours. And I think that's underestimating it. Also, the time they started, this is not your whole life.

Yeah, no, no, I started in 2016. Yeah. Going on cruises. Yes. How did you discover cruise? Did you watch Love Boat? No, because I just, we have like the daily show right next to the daily show.

There's a cruise ship terminal. Yes. And I've always... There's also a hustler strip club. But you got into one and not the other. No. Okay, can we just pause for one second? Pause.

Okay. I just need, sorry, this might be a waste of time. I just need everybody. Only now. No, no, no, no, no. I'm saying. I'm there. I just need everyone to just.

No, no, I'm not saying me. I'm saying I'd like this to, I'd like people to take a moment and just do this. Think of when 2016 was, it was recently. And there was also the pandemic. Yeah. Just think of. And there's a pandemic minus. So let's move that to 2019.

Yeah, okay. Let's move it to 2019. Think of what a cruise is. You've got it in your head. There's a ship. There's passengers. There's the whole setting a sale. Shrimp buffet.

Now, if someone says, deviled eggs. I've been in the last six years on 25 cruises, and I'm not a cruise worker. you're a captain of a ship I've been the captain though I'm the captain now I've been the captain now that would require

in the way you're saying there's a certain happiness you know like why is happy the questions you've been asking you know that would require some deeper analysis do you know what I mean it's not a simple thing yes so what what is it

okay so one quick thing is when you have a Ugandan passport every airport you go to you're almost taken to a corner randomly just for some questions a cruise you can't move to multiple countries while avoiding that hassle

of waiting at the airport being taken out of line having to apply for visas because some cruises most cruises actually are if you're on a cruise ship you don't need a visa because they expect you come back on the ship International waters Yes so it's a very

efficient and great way to travel to different countries without the hassle but also I come from a landlord country I've never I'd never encountered big waters like that we have a lake we have a river but that's it so when I came I wonder like oh this is amazing and then I also don't like you know this about me I don't like the minor stresses of thinking about food and this

and the cruise ship basically it's like a kindergarten but for travelers everything is catered for food is there you know you don't have to think of things So now I have to go, oh, why can I find restaurants and all this and all that. So I like that. But I've been to so many to Dave's question that I've been invited many times to go meet the captain. Because, you know, when you're a frequent traveler, so to speak, they hold like. Frequent sailor.

Yes, sailor. So they hold the reception for you. Yeah? Wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on. Yes. So when you're a frequent sailor, yes. They give you a special hat and a special reception and then you go in. You know, you get to meet you.

They pull you out of the line still. Yeah, you know, they hold like a thing. They hope you. Yes. No, no. They go like, we have a thing. We're going to meet the day. People they, you know.

No way. So then you, so that the first one, the first one I went to. It was like the captain, his crew. And then the passengers who had been brought were like all white and old. Yeah, cruise passengers. Very old like because they had been over the course of their years. Yeah, because they had been on 10 cruises in their lifetime. Yes.

Which is like that's now you are. you are like super VIP because they were like in your lifetime you've been on 10 cruises meanwhile here's Joseph Opeo so then I turned up three years in 12 cruises deep I turned up and they went like and because of probably the why I was dressed because it was cocktail but I was dressed the way I want and I think they went like oh this must be one of the you know Somali Pirates oh yes so so so I turned out yeah exactly so Maripirates raiding the ship so I turned up and then I was the only black guy there I was the only guy under 40

and so they got like whoa so how did you end up they were really surprised and I don't know like every chance I get every chance I get so for me I do this and I do this with food as well if I find something I enjoy

I do that thing and I do it I won't try to like venture out you don't value it yeah some same thing with like when I eat when I go out with you I eat the same Indian food every time. Yeah. And you sometimes go like, oh, you're trying.

I go like, no, but I found the thing that I like. Yeah. So why should I try to have found the thing that works for me? And so I feel like it could also be like, you know, when the war was brought up, because my mom again, too, go back to her. So my mom taught me like certain things. One of the biggest things she gave me, I remember, one of the biggest lessons. And she doesn't even remember it because mothers are like that.

They say things and they don't think about them. So when we are teenagers, you know, you start sneaking around, boys start sneaking. making around with girls, you know, corners around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And my mama remember told me, and I was too young to even think about girls like that. And he was like, hey, if you ever want to get a girl, please don't be like these friends of yours

who we see at the side of gates, you know, in that corners, bring the girl home. Bring the girl home and less meet her. And so she told me, whatever decision you make, it should always be for you. That makes sense. Whatever decision, she told me, you can, if you want to do,

drugs, if you want to rob a bank, if you want to beat up teachers, do it for you. I'll back you a hundred percent of the way. The only thing I never want you to do is to try to pass the blame. So when you're like sewing, sewing, when the ripping comes, I don't want you to go like,

oh, I was peer pressured by my friends to smoke or to do this or to do that. You have to own everything. So when the consequences come, I want you to go like, okay, I knew this was was coming. So when I go like, oh, I love cruises. And people go like, oh, people laugh. I go like, no, but

I'm comfortable with my choice. We don't laugh. We're fascinated. Okay, no, people are fascinated. I love. Yes, yeah. No, but I'm going to I don't laugh at you. I love because it's a crazy thing. No, so I go like every decision I make. If you told me, hey, let's go GSI and beyond some of these people. I'll go like, okay, now I won't go. So I won't have form. I want to regret.

So everything I do. You turned down a trip that we were going to go on once. Because there was a football tournament on TV. Then Joe was like, no thank you. Then I was like, Joe, we're going to go travel. Costa Rica. I'm going to go to Costa Rica. Then he was like, ah, he's like, are they going to have all the games?

I was like, it's Costa Rica. He's like, yeah, but I'm not interested in Costa Rica. I'm interested in the, what tournament was it? It was the Confederation. It was the Confed Cup, not the World Cup, the Confed Cup. Joe was like, ah, you guys will have to miss me because I have three games a day. Oh, man, enjoy your trip to Costa Rica. Let me ask you, let me ask you this before we let you go.

because I haven't seen you in a few weeks now. What is happening in Uganda that, like, Trump is deporting people to Uganda? Like, why is, like, Uganda the threat? What do we not know about Uganda? That's become like the... Well, for starters, we gave you Zoran Mamdani. Yeah, but I mean...

In Trump's book, that's already the original sin. No, I'll put it like... So, I went back to Uganda during the one big, beautiful break. I went back on. Yeah. And, first of all, I thought, and I were thinking this, because I'd come back. came back. And I was thinking, Trump must have been so happy to see me go. Because it must have been

like, they are self-deporting now. Back to Uganda. And then I surprised him and came back. And that's why he died and then rose again. I thought they were gone. But now they're thinking back and no. So Uganda is funny in that I think it's a, Uganda is a huge ally of the United States. Yeah. Fun enough. Like we help them in Somalia because our troops are in Somalia pursuing American interests. And Uganda is a poor country. So money exchange his hands, obviously. So I think Trump, like, made a deal with the Ugandan government to take these, like,

people he wants to deport. Yeah. Rwanda made the same deal, funny enough, with prison. Yes. Yeah. So, yeah. So they make this deal. Do you know what the deal?

Wait, but what is the deal? Is the deal that they're going to go to a prison in Uganda? No, no. Because they literally said to one of the people, they said, you have two choices. Yes. Yeah. They said you have two choices. You can go to prison.

or you can go to Uganda then I went I know Uganda I know people from Uganda what am I missing that your punishment is Uganda No but I'll say this all jokes aside

Uganda is a very hospitable country So we have But that's what I'm saying We have one of the most No but I don't mean hospitable The way you think about it We have one of the biggest When it comes to taking in refugees

Yeah We are one of the biggest Probably their biggest country We're taking refugees from the Congo We're taking refugees from Sudan We took in Nelson and Mandela and the ANC activists. We always are very welcoming.

We took people from Afghanistan, even if one of the writers at the show made a joke that they would show up and go like, we thought we had it bad. We need to go back. But the thing is, Ugandan's very welcoming. We are very, we're taking refugees, like, by the millions. Wow.

We don't have, we're taking elytrians. We don't have like the, what do we say, xenophobia? We don't go like, oh, that's a South African. In Africa, like. No, but even America. Yeah, but I'm saying. It's like a top, like, yeah, in Africa. No, Ugandan's a very, and I think it's our, it's because of, because remember, Uganda is also the only country.

I think in Africa, which wasn't colonized. We were a protectorate. We basically invited the British over. We went, okay, guys, come. And then they went, like, but we're colonizing Kenya. And when, like, well, then we're like, okay, this is going to be a situation ship. And we didn't even fight. We never fought for independence.

They went like, we're bouncing. This whole colonial project is not working out. We're bouncing. And we're like, okay, bye-bye. We are not that kind of people. Ugandans are very chill people, very hospitable, very nice people. I don't know what happened with Dave,

but very, probably South Africa, but no, very very. So we are open to people coming in. We are very open. And Uganda, fun enough, and I will think about this with Zoran, Uganda always finds itself, such a small country,

we find ourselves always at the like, we always find ourselves in like, historic moments. Oh, yeah. You're getting involved. Like the nexus of things that are happening. Yes. So for a small country, so I was telling, I was telling, I was telling a Jewish friend.

I've told, you've seen me tell these to Jewish friends. I can never be on Semitic. I can, I can never be, because we offered them the Jews in, before they went to Palestine. Yeah. They were supposed to come to Uganda. The British literary told them you can go to Uganda. This was post-World War II. Yeah, post-World War II.

So Israel could have been in Uganda. I could have been the Palestinian, you know. activists. So they were actually this close to coming. And then they went like, oh, sorry, no. Uganda is very fertile, very nice place. And they went like, no, we're going to the desert. So then they go to Palestine. Another moment of Uganda

being like in a weird global flashpoint. They hijacked this plane. They fly to all over the world. No one wants to take in a hijacked plane. Idi Amin goes like, I'll have them. Did them come and refuel because Idi Amin was Muslim and he identified with the Palestinian cause.

So they come in. And this is what I'm telling this story is going to become apparent in the short time. So they come in and then you've heard of the movie Raidenane and Tebe. Radon-Otebe is when the Israeli like commanders came to rescue the Israeli people who were on the plane.

Yes, who are on the plane. So they come in and guess who was leading that mission? No, Benjamin Bibin Nittanyahu's brother. Wow. He was the commander. He led that mission. And so they come and rescue the hostages, killed the Palestinian

and terrorists and all that. And then as they are leaving, a Ugandan sniper takes out the commander of the Israel commandos. Yo, what? He takes out Bibi Netanyahu's brother. And that's the incident

that, when you read Bibi Netanyahu's book, that's the incident that radicalized him. That's his villain, villain story. That's his origin story. That's his origin story. His brother was killed in Uganda because he had come to rescue. The movie is, this is a very,

huge. If you talk about, if you talk to Jews, if you talk to Jews, this is a very big historical moment in their life, like the raid on in Tebe. And now after all that, now Zora, he's causing chaos. Where is he from? Uganda.

For such a small country, we always so now, and the next thing you hear Trump. Most people don't know this. They're about Uganda. Uganda was supposed to be the next Palestine. I think it came down to one vote. The Zionist, you know, sat and they went like, nope, we want to go

to the country were promised and all that, but Uganda, because the British controlled Uganda, so they were going to call. And then now you have this and then Bibby Netanyahu. So all these, Bibby Netanyahu, the pain he has, the radicalization, the monster he has become, it's all because his

brother, his oldest brother. You can imagine how, like... Damn. Yes. Damn, Uganda. Huh? You're not going believe this. It's almost like swordfish. Oh, my goodness. Eugene is like, what's happening right now?

No, no, I'm, I'm loving you, but also like, look at the story we have with South Africa. Yeah. The story we have, most of the activists, why in Uganda? Like, because the South and Central countries, South and Central African countries used to sell them out to the apartheid government. Yeah. And the only country, because Moseveni was such a, our president is such a pan-Afghanist. Yeah, our national stadium is named after Mandela. You know what you're explaining about Uganda?

So interesting. You know the story about how the French became the French? No. So during the... You weren't born like that? During the Roman Empire machine rolling out in Europe, there was a small Germanic tribe that told the Romans that you're not going to do that with us.

We're going to self-determine. We're going to tell ourselves what to do. They became the French. Oh, this is the asterix and obliques, basically, right? The goals. Yeah. And then that's why when you speak your mind, they say you're being frank. Oh.

And that's why the term franchising came from when you run your own little operation within a big operation. Oh, damn. Look at this. So Africa is Franks and franchise is Uganda. They were able to self-determine a lot of things. And they were able to tell the big rolling out machine, which was the British colonizers, that hold on, hold on. We're going to do it our way. And that way

no one ever wanted to do anything To them Yes I always go The way think about it Is I think Uganda is like The Forest Gump Of like international global relations We're always like

In the middle of things But we're so small You're empty dumbed in Puss and Boots You were there When every fairy tale Was coming to an end You were like I was there Yes

But I also think we're very like country I think the thing you were saying Or the thing they were asking about how I'm always happy I think I'm a lucky guy I think I'm a lucky guy I genuinely think

like it's not a competition but I think I'm one of the luckiest guys in the world everything like you know everything I've done you know like you know my story like living loss you know I was a lawyer to become a comedian in Uganda where there's no comedy ending up in New York meeting you you said this you said this I remember

you told me because here's a funny story so we start work we hang out with Trevor we start working together you know he starts he goes like oh you know I like your ideas just work together then you know I get to meet his team then he goes okay how about you write for me this was pre-daily show and I remember I told Trevor

but I'm also a comedian and I can't give you my best bits and also besides you're a road comedian you can't afford me and so when and then Trevor goes like to share and so when Trevor got the daily show the first text he sent me

I remember you in the Middle East she told me I can afford you now bitch that was his job offer that was his job offer it started with an HR violation so anyway So anyway, the reason I say I'm lucky is Trevor said, told me something that also stayed with me. Remember, you told me if I didn't come to the US, I'll never end up with you.

Because you kept asking something to come over. And then you also told me if you didn't, because my visa was three months. He told me, if you had come three months before, would never have met because I was on the road. If you had come three months after, would never have met because I was now at a daily show. I'm not meeting randoms at the comedy seller. So I feel like for me, everything, and it goes back to the thing I was telling you, being born a guy in Africa, because in Africa, a girl to live a thriving low career to become, it's, everyone who got like, this was a waste of money.

Yeah. thought, because I had done so well in my SATs, I was basically sponsored by the government to study law. And the people said, oh, people thought I was going to be that on a general. And so, when, like, oh, he has wasted his potential. The Attorney General. People thought I was on the past part. That was like your natural progression.

At some point, you'd be the Attorney General of Uganda. They thought. Wow. That was their dream for me. It wasn't my dream. So I remember, everyone went like, oh, he has lost his mind. And the only person who understood boys, my mom, my mom told me, oh, you've never, you've never messed up.

I don't think about to start. So all that, like the lack of coming from people who are supportive, of having, like, tight-knit family that you can trust, the lack of, like, drawing or attracting, or ending up with, like, very nice people in your life. People don't count those blessings. Or people don't go like, oh, not everyone has, like, very supportive friends or good friends or, like,

interesting friends, even. And so for me, I'm always, like, to go to the question Dave was asking of being happy, I'm always, like, counting my beliefs. these things. I was going to go, oh, wow. Everything that has happened to me is way better than my like craziest dreams. It doesn't mean you stop working, but it just got like, wow, I'm really hashtag winning at life. Joe Opie, the luckiest man alive. This was fun, man. Also the most interesting man in the, eh. This was fun for you. For you. That's what I do

I do it for myself Yes it was fun For you hang out with me for two hours And we're not watching a football game I've never No matter when I hang out with you for two hours This Sam That's how I have to brave you

That's how to bribe you basically I'm going to this There has to be some reward for me Exactly that's what I mean And then you brought You brought Eugene Now we're taping this threesome And Eugene is doing all the watching

Which makes it very uncomfortable I sit in his cock chair Oh, man. This was fun, Joe. Thank you. No, Trevor. It was a pleasure, man. It was a pleasure, brother. Oh, thank you, Dave. Thank you very much. Thanks for being the viewer's voice. You know, you know, you know, before we go, a bit about Trevor. Because people don't know this about Trevor. Because what was asking me, and I've seen people write about you and people don't understand.

People who haven't met you? And it goes back to the thing you're saying now, just thanking me. Trevor changed in my life, essentially, right? He did change my life, you know, coming to a daily show. and I remember, and he has done things for me. He's taken me to Barcelona, a bunch of times gotten me to meet, like, my biggest footballing heroes, taken me to two World Cups. And I remember Trevor sent me a text message. I don't know if I remember.

Actually, I remember when the first gave me the job. The first time I realized he was a nice guy, really. When Trevor hired me, you remember a text you sent me? No. He sent me a text that said, hey, Joe, it might not work out, right? You know, you could come, go crazy or whatever. you know, you're in Shobis for the first time you're Uganda

and you could, you know, I don't know how you, there's never been a Ugandan in Shobies, it's not your natural habitat I don't know how you would respond and basically went like, yo, if it doesn't work out promise me we'll always be friends because you are friends before the daily show, we shouldn't be friends

if it doesn't work out and then I'd read that takes me like wow, because you know in Africa when someone does you a favor they make you aware that they're doing favor. That's why we have no blood donations and organ you would know I was

someone's called near yes you would know I was like this man should be telling me hey if it doesn't work out I'll never talk to you ever again but it was like hey

and then the other text you sent me this was before we went to the World Cup you went like you've enriched my life and all this and all this no no this was after the World Cup

I think I don't know I did something I think it was when I did the world according to football thing I don't know where he helped me like win and aim

essentially but again again, lack. Because remember how he came onto that project? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like, almost like, you know, it was luck. And then after, like, we do the project, we finish it and went like, oh man, thank you so much. You've changed, you know, this. You know, rights are the same.

You know, usually, like, white traverse stuff, you know. Yeah. When the white side comes out, hey, yeah, yeah. Yes, oh, you changed my life. Here comes the whiteness. It almost feels like he writes them with a pen feather. Yeah, mung, my, mong, m. So then. From the governor.

Yes. I write me. So he writes this and he goes like you've been reached my life. And I was, I read it and literally went like, yo, if someone was keeping count, I'm winning way harder in this relationship than you are. You know, you're taking me to the World Cup, done this, down this, middle. I'm here. Yes, you. No, but like you have done things through you, which I would never done or which are like beyond my craziest dreams.

But Trevor Wu literally thank you. Even if when it comes to the friendship, like if you're keeping school, he's losing like crazy. I'm like 8 nil up and he's like Oh Joe you've given me an amazing game It's funny because I said this the other day I said in the In the years that I've known Because you know as humans we're trying to wreck up as much karma

Coming points as possible I said your frequent mileage is crazy You've wrecked up so much good karma Your way and it's evident People don't need to be paid to say They just live it as well And without by the without keeping score Yeah

100% I get it Yeah without There are people who and I think you might be one of them. So my sister, my twin sister is one of them. You have a, yeah, I have a twin sister. Two hours later. Thankfully, though, thankfully though, she doesn't look anything like me.

Is it her talking now? I'll say, funny story about her. Funny story about her. She is 15 minutes late because my mom didn't realize she had twins till when I came out. Wow. Because we didn't have like scans and all that back then. So she thought she just had a big video or whatever.

So she goes to give birth. And I come out and she goes like, thank God. And then the nurses are like, oh, sorry, bro twist. There's another one. Yeah. There is, yeah, another one. But the point I was trying to make my twin sister is, I know a few people, it's my twin sister, my young brother.

I have a very good person who's called Sharon Wibaba. They are very nice people. You know, poor are genuine nice. And Trevor, because I'm nice, but I know I'm nice. doesn't make sense I'm nice consciously I go like there's no reason

to be a dig to people and then they're poor just nice who if so if my sister gives someone money and they don't bring it back and you go like

and then they come back and then you go like don't give them money but that's what I'm supposed to do she doesn't think through the act so Trevor is the same way he

he'll do things without where other people keep on so exactly you know get me a job other people got like I'm doing you a favor I'm changing your life I'm bringing you to a medical legal

then for me goes like no man whatever happens this thing not spoil the thing we have no no no no like most people don't know this about you because they read up but the people who know you

and I think Eugene you would agree never keep score doesn't even think about it hey yo let's go to Qatar hey yo let's go to hey

and you go like okay and then he goes thank you for one and then you go like I should be the past one no I said thank you because you make this

thing, what it is, man. Thank you. All right, we got it, folks. Thank you. For real, man. Thank you, Joe. No, this is a pleasure, bro. Thank you, Mom, man. This is the pleasure, um? Apple Card is designed to support your financial well-being. With unlimited daily cashback on every purchase and the ability to track your spending on your iPhone, Apple Card helps you lead a healthier financial life. So, you can stress less about money and focus more on enjoying life. You know, it's actually funny. A lot of people ask me, Trevor, what do you think about money, or where did you learn about money? And I'll say there are two places where I learned the most about money.

Well, three, technically. The first one was my mom. My mom always used to say a very simple thing to me. She would say, do not spend money you do not have, which I know sounds simple, but it's a lot more complicated than you think. you know sometimes you see something you want to buy it and you're like I can buy it can I afford it can I not afford it and my mom would always just go do not spend money you do not have the question is how do you know when you have the money or when you don't have the money that's where the second piece of advice came in I was at a store and I wanted to buy an ice cream a very expensive ice cream it had almonds

and it was covered in white chocolates now I know some of you are thinking to yourself how can an ice cream be that expensive look man at this time of my life This was one of the most extravagant purchases a person could make. So I didn't know whether I could buy the ice cream or not. And I was with a friend and I said, I don't know if I should buy this ice cream. And he said, here's a piece of advice. If you can buy two of them and not flinch, then buy one. And I was like, damn, changed my whole life.

If you can buy two, then buy one. I bought that ice cream. I've bought a few of those ice creams. Third piece of advice? The third piece of advice was the advice that my wallet gave me when I opened it and there was nothing inside of it. And my wallet looked up at me and it said, Leave money inside me, Trevor. I don't like being hungry.

You're probably thinking wallets don't talk. They do when they left empty as long as mine was. Don't spend what's not inside your wallet. What's that? Who am I speaking to? Oh, just generally when I talk about money, I like to imagine my financial advisor sitting next to me. It just helps me.

It's probably advice I've given myself. Imagine somebody was next to you, giving you advice about your money. How would you act? Because if there was somebody there, you probably wouldn't do the same thing. So that's my advice. Imagine you were with you when you were doing something.

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