What Now? with Trevor Noah - NYC SESSIONS: Elon’s Flying Cars and Sneaking Into Titanic ft. Devin Delliquanti

Episode Date: October 22, 2026

Is it possible Thanos was actually the good guy? Trevor, Eugene, and Devin sit down for a hilarious and unpredictable conversation that tackles everything from the physics of Elon Musk’s flying cars to the true meaning of the Avengers franchise. Trevor pitches his most controversial idea yet: legally mandating robust storylines in all adult films to save humanity's attention spans.The crew also unpacks the hidden dopamine cycle of theme parks, exploring why buying a fast pass to skip the line actually destroys the psychological thrill of the roller coaster and how that demand for instant gratification is changing the way kids experience video games. Plus, Devin shares the unbelievable true story of his parents surviving a fiery 1982 plane crash, sparking a massive debate on why society easily swears off airplanes and motorcycles, but will never stop driving cars. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

But I don't think that makes Thanos the good guy. I think that could be like the Avengers are bad or morally complicated or whatever. So why isn't he morally complicated? Why is he the bad guy? Yeah. Well, because he killed, I mean, quote, Dr. Banner, killed trillions. He didn't kill. He didn't kill anyone.

He disappeared. They're not there anymore. They're not there anymore. They're not there. What is that mean? What is that mean? He didn't have a private jet. He didn't have a fighter jet.

But the effect is the same. No, no, no. No, no. That's like saying condoms are responsible for mass murder. The effect is the same. My friend is bad. The effect is the same. I feel like you've used that line before.

I'm going to be a mass murderer. I'm going to wrinkle in his eye. I don't think about it. I've never seen Titanic bully. Oh, you haven't either? I have not seen it. What was your excuse? My parents were to plague crash.

I had to be on ships. I couldn't be thinking about Titanic. Right? I couldn't be like, like, I'm. I was like, no. I'll watch Alive or flight with Denzel or Sully or whatever. But Titanic, I was like, no, I can't have that. This is all I've got left.

Countless times in the world of tech, I've seen a thing demonstrated on a big stage, and I've gone, this is the future, this is amazing. And then it's like I'll see that car doing the flip thing. And then when it actually gets delivered to us on the showroom floor, it just like farts. but it doesn't leave the crowd You just go to try it when you buy the car

He's just plow into all the other cars I don't know, sorry Don't be shocked Don't be shocked Why do we guys Why do we use anniversary for sad as well I think that's weird Yeah I think we need another word

Guys you can't use anniversary For good and bad I know that you can in English But I don't like Because sometimes I'll hear people be like Oh it's the anniversary And I'm like of they're like of Pearl Harbor Like, you can't...

Sadiversary. Sadiversary is good. I hear what you guys are saying, and if I hear you correctly, what I'm hearing you say is, hater, hater, hater, hater, hater, hater, hater, hater, hater. This is What Now with Trevor Noah. I always think of doing things when you meet a new person in a group as all. You can do that just for fun. Yeah, just like throw them off.

So let's say you invite somebody over to your house. Yeah. They've never been there, but they know you, but they don't know your home. And then you and your family can act like you have a tradition that you don't have. So you can just be like, you can just be like, before we eat the food, let us say why we are thankful that it exists. And then the next person can just be like, I like that I can eat. And then the other person can be like, I like that it makes me healthy. And the other person can jump in and be like, it's good for.

On my bones. Then you like, you next. Yeah, and then you give it to them. And then they'll be like, I'm grateful to me. Just make it up? Most people won't go now, bra. I would.

You would. Yeah. Just to see what happens next. What is this? Yeah, I'd be like, ah, guys, come on. Are we being for real? Then until someone says, yeah. You don't think you join it?

You're joining. I would probably join it. I would try to figure something out. You're a nice guy. I was at Thanksgiving, because we alternate thanksgivings with my family, my wife's family or whatever. And one year they just did the Pledge of Allegiance before Thanksgiving. It's not a thing you do on Thanksgiving.

But it's like one of the kids that just like learned in school. So it's like, I guess we're doing the pledge. So I'm like, do I have to put my head on my heart? And you did it. I don't know what the rules are. I don't even know. I was like at a baseball. I'm like, do I have this?

Like, I don't know what the rules are. You dig off your hat? I didn't. I couldn't wear. I was thinking I wasn't wearing a hat because Thanksgiving dinner. But I was just like, okay, I guess I pledged allegiance to the flag. Yeah, there you go. But you're like, I can't sit during the pledge at Thanksgiving dinner.

It's like the most, this is like the social moment of family. I'm like, I got a pledge right now. The flag has my allegiance before the turkey. Yeah. You have to roll with it. Yeah. The pledge of allegiance is crazy every time I like see it. But does the flag have to be around for the pleasure of allegiance to happen?

You have to find. I would imagine you have to find one. You have to be staring at the flag. Do you? Yeah, because I don't know how does it work. I've never pledged allegiance with no flag around. Every time I've done it, there's like a... It has to be a flag.

You have to face a flag and pledge your allegiance to that flag. Huh. But then why, then it becomes, why do you then need to say to the flag of the United States of America? Isn't that, that's an unnecessary in our redundancy? Because if you're looking at the flag, then you don't need that line. That, I mean, that's true. I pledge allegiance. I only think I know that line, right?

I don't think it's about, like, I don't think it's about subtext. They're like, can we pledge allegiance subtly to the flag? This is a little on the nose. I'm playing in my heart. No, what I mean is like, if the flag's there, you just go like, I pledge allegiance to the flag. And then you can just carry on. Or if the flag's not there, then you'd go, I pledge allegiance to the flag. They don't want you in your mind thinking of a different flag.

It was like, I was thinking of the pirate flag. I'm thinking of the pirate flag. We're thinking of the pirate flag here? No. Were you pledging allegiance to Jack Sparrow? This guy was thinking of the pirate flag. And then someone goes, do you say pride or pirate? Yeah.

You're thinking of another flag. I swear I wasn't. We're going to start hanging in. Put the words in. No loopholes. Oh, man. You know, I sometimes think that we assign too much. like gravitas to everything from history.

But a lot of the things that we treat with like severe reverence, they probably came from like benign random occurrences like this. Yeah. So we go, ah, the pledge of elite

with probably this part, you know what I mean? Yeah. But you find there was literally this type of thing. Someone was like, which flag were you thinking of? Yeah, and the guy was like,

I swear, I was thinking of, he's like, no. Guys, I swear he was thinking of another flag. And then they're like, you have to say the flag.

We have to write there. Yeah. Which flag? The flag of the United States of America. Yeah. But I didn't say which flag. I saw it in your eyes. But America takes the flag very seriously.

Very seriously. For me, it's when the flag flies half-mast. Then if you see it, then you have to be sad. Do you have to be? You have to be. Why? Because it means something tragic has happened. Is that always what it means?

Yes. Oh. I didn't know that. The flag never flies half-mas. Or for an anniversary of, yeah. Of what? Pearl Harbor Day, 9-11? Something sad.

Yes, but. Why do we use an event? I think that's weird. Yeah. I think we need another word. Guys, you can't use anniversary for good and bad. I know that you can in English, but I don't like, because sometimes I'll hear people be like, oh, it's the anniversary and I'm like, of the, they're like of Pearl Hub.

Like you can't. Sad anniversary. Sadiversary is good. You need a different word. I like saddiversary. I'll take that. I just think it's weird that you have anniversary for good and bad. That's fair.

There should be something else. Anniversary. Yes. Because anniversary in my head. Sounds like a... The connotation is good. Oh, we're celebrating our 25th anniversary. Because then I'll sometimes say to people, of what?

And they'll go of our marriage. I'm like, oh, I didn't know. Maybe a family member died. Maybe then they're like, how could that be an anniversary? I'm like, guys, I don't know. Because in America. Congratulations of 9-11. That's, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

You're going into. I didn't know the context. This has happened to me a lot of the times. Americans have said to me, oh, yeah, They go, hey, tomorrow, like, you know, I'll be touring. Then they go, like, hey, tomorrow the streets are going to be closed because it's the 10th anniversary. Then I'm like, oh, cool, of what?

Then they go of the massacre of the whatever. Then I'm like, bra. You could have led with that. Yeah, but you just said the anniversary. Okay, so anniversary. It's the 10-year anniversary of, you see, there's too much unknown emotion before I get to what it is. But if you said sad anniversary, I'm in.

You got to make it happen. And since I learned that Shakespeare made up words, I think we should just push this. And we should say it with confidence. You're a father. You're a father. You know, you could just start this with your children. You tell them, no, no, no.

Anniversary is happy things. Sad aversary is sad things. Tell the other kids. You know when the kids go to school and they need that one mark to pass. And then they're like, my dad said. Yeah, what is satiracy? Yeah.

That one mark. I wrote that it was the sad anniversary of Pearl Harbor and I got points off. Sorry. At one point that determined their future. You know, I'm picturing, I'm picturing a guy who's like homeless, life has been tougher, and someone's interviewing. So how did you get you?

He's like, it all started when I just needed one mark to pass in school. I studied hard and I knew the answer. I wrote the saddiversary. I was unemployable after that. No one took mysteriously. No one took me, no one treated me the same after that. But I think it should be. I think it would be better.

Sad anniversary. We should start that. The saddiversary and the anniversary, you see it. Now we're in. Yeah. Wait, for the Pledge of Allegiance, would you say, like, they added the different things? That's what happened with Under God. Because Under God was added during the Cold War.

They had the Pledge of Allegiance. Well, you're being serious. I'm serious. So they added under God because it was like the communist didn't believe in God. They were not religious. So they put in, like, one nation, under God, indivisible with liberty of justice. It was put in. And you can tell every time you hear people say it.

because the under god feels like it was like put in there like like it feels like an ed one nation under god indivisible as opposed to like one nation indivisible with liberty and justice we have that part in our national anthem which one is it yeah saada africa you can tell we couldn't bridge the anthems because we we when we were making the when we had when we achieved democracy yes they're like what's the national anthem going to be and we need it we need a song yeah people were like we need a bob People would get rid of the old one because it's racist or it comes with a racist nation and connotation. And then Mandela was like, no, no, no, no, no.

We can't get rid of the whole old national anthem because then it makes Afrikaans people feel like they're not part of this country when they are. And this is, so we're trying to meld these worlds together. So they're like, we need a combined anthem. So we're going to take a little bit of old anthem, some new anthem and put in some other, so make a mega-a-man translation here.

It's timberland on the phone. Basically. Basically. And it was great. but you can tell the anthem moves really nicely but then there's a part where they try and mix the African part of the anthem with the Anglo and Boer part of it like the white part with the African part

you can tell they were in the studio for days with that part because okay like just here's the tune the South African part of the anthem has like a melody it's a very specific so I'm not even going to say the word so you just understand You see the Lerite You see the language. You see, very African's got a vibe, right?

Now, the white side of the anthem was this. that's the endo, dumb, dumb dumb them to be the dog do

and the both dom yeah boba yeah that's the end that's exactly it so now

how do you bridge the two how do you yeah if you were a DJ and you had the both spinning

how do you yeah this if you were a DJ and you were spinning you would

do what South Africa did you'd try first to mix them you'd be there with your

headphones and you'd be there listening and you'd be there and be like Dita Bavad Dibrovang Nia de Blova Fah Diblova

Then you'd be like Nope Then you turn down the bass on one You're like This is not working Yeah And then you'd literally do what South Africa did

We get to the end South Africa South Africa They do That's what it does Okay I'll play for Play it for me.

This is how not exaggerates you. Right now, you're thinking I'm doing this for comedic effects. I'm thinking of ways to solve it by like... They did. Guitar solo in the middle. And then to bridge between the two. Bring out like Slash or somebody. Like, oh, it's great.

And then all of a sudden it's into the other part. Like, okay. Okay, so... No, man, this was got like acoustic... Yeah, we don't need... This is like someone's trying to do like a... No, man, just do the thing, the song properly. Yeah.

It's the white person singing. It is a white person you can hear. It's not the one. It's not the one. Sorry, we're going to find it. We're going to find it. I'm not going to give you the, like, the real one. The real one. The real one.

That we wished it did. Yeah. This is the one they played like stadiums. Yeah, listen. Hold on. Hold on. You see. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You can tell there. I'm the God. Under God. But how great would it be if your country gets freedom and you start the new national anthem? It just goes, Rema! That's essentially what we said.

That's exactly what we did. Great. That's fully it. You know, like, oh, the country has a new... I didn't know America did that as well, though. Just in the... Under God? Yeah, one nation.

Under God. I always thought it was always there. No. I think that was added. I think. No, no, no. I'm pretty sure. Yeah.

We could check or we could just keep it. McCarthy is. We could make it a sad anniversary thing. We just passed it on. Yeah. This is the sataversary of Underguburn. No, man, we just pass it. We just pass it on through and through.

How are you doing? How's your week? Good. Just chilling week off? Chilling week off? Working dark, so. Oh, yeah. Writing and getting ahead, working on stuff, reading through, watching the news.

Okay, what did you think? Did you see the Tesla car? I knew you're going to ask me about this. I saw it. What do I think? This is the kind of thing where I'm like, I'm reading a book right now about the, like, the, like, USAID and the Institute of Peace. So I'm like, I have that Elon in my head. of like, oh, he sent these, like, children to go into this building and, like, dismantle it.

And then I'm like, and then he just puts, like, things under a car to make it fly. I'm like, this is what you should be doing. This is your calling to do things like this. You are not, like, the bureaucrat, like, nuts and bold guy. Leave AIDS alone. Yes. Leave Africa alone. Just focus on flipping cars.

Flipping car. That's exactly the thing where I'm like, oh, all right. Because, yeah, I mean, it's a fun video to watch. no matter how you feel. If you, yeah, I agree. It's a fun video to watch. You see, I like that. Yeah, this is why I like you.

This is a fun video to watch. Because I'm always skeptical. I always come in and I talk about this with Kabuka is like, I, what's your angle? Because when people are known to like lie about stuff or exaggerate, I'm like, I'm always a little skeptical. I just, but I watch a video, I'm like, this is fun to watch this video.

People forget this. People forget this. Apple did a whole presentation showing us a phone that had intelligence on it, if you remember? I remember. I love tech. And they went through this whole demonstration, showing us what Siri AI was going to do.

And then for like two years, none of that happened. But they showed it at a demonstration. They showed you and they were like, oh, and they were like, it can go through your messages and it can do this and it can schedule. It never came. Two years.

They had to pay a class action lawsuit because it never came. People bought the phone. They had sold the phone, they advertised the phone, it never had that. I'm not even singling them out. That's the one I can just remember. Countless times in the world of tech, I've seen a thing demonstrated on a big stage, and I've gone, this is the future, this is amazing. And then it's like I'll see that card doing the flip thing.

And then when it actually gets delivered to us on the showroom floor, it just like farts. But it doesn't leave the crown. You just go to try it when you buy the car, I just plow into all the other cars. I don't know. Sorry. Don't be shocked, Baba.

Don't be shocked. But I think if you watched, did you watch the entire launch? No, I just saw the, I saw the video of the car doing the loop and then I saw it do the spin. But that's it. I didn't see the whole keynote or whatever. The podway invites two other guys on stage. No. And then they talk about how fast the car is.

Yeah. And then they say the car can reach zero to 100 miles. No, zero to 60. 3060 in? What, one second? Less than one second. Less than one second. Less than one second.

Zero. Eight five, I think. Yes. Yeah. So already is telling you that this thing is not, if you think that's going to work in public roads, that other thing as well, it's not going to happen.

Wait, wait, what do you mean, though? But there's no law about how fast you can accelerate, is there? Yes, but. I don't think there's an acceleration limit. There's a speed limit, but not an acceleration limit. Yeah, but that thing will be a rocket ship. Yes.

It'll have to be jet propelled. It's not. It's so they're saying it's oxygen propelled. coming out of what? Out of like, yeah, pipes. And then what? And then when a jet goes up, what are those things at the bottom? Thrusters.

What are they called? Now your thruster are going that way? Yes, it's thrusting. So that thing with those four gigantic thrusters at the back will never work on a public road because it can't go that far. No car will be able to get out the way quick enough and the driver won't be able to react fast enough.

You can never be parked somewhere that has a 60 mile an hour speed limit either. Like there's no place that you're parked. You're just like, 16. 1.8. Exactly. Yeah. Guys.

And that 60, I like it. Okay. Now, this is where I'm going to come to Elon's defense. Ooh. He sings the other part of the anthem. Always remember that. Merge the two. But come to his defense, please.

So. That's good. Cars have been increasingly getting faster and faster in terms of their launch. We've known this for years. We've loved the fast launch of cars, right? So it was five seconds, four seconds, three seconds. Yeah, and then electric cars have been doing it in that like two and a halfish range for a while. Those cars are doing it on the road.

You can go and launch those cars on the road. Your favorite Porsche does it in like what? Sub 2? Yeah. Not sub 2, sub 3. Porsche GT3. There you go. But that is sub three on the road.

I understand what you're saying. You're saying it's an exponential jump. I'm just saying... Very exponential jump. When a person is launching their car at a drag strip or from a traffic lights, there's no... Who cares? Like, how quickly...

You know what? But how late are you? No, it's not a... This is why you can't get nice things. You don't deserve nice things. But basically what we're saying is... Yeah. If a car goes from zero...

to 60 in 3.5 seconds or 3 seconds. Yeah. Yeah. And then from then onwards, it jumps from 0 to 60 in 8.6 seconds. Wait, what do we mean? 060? Yeah, in 0.8 seconds. Yeah.

And then? Then it's similar to having a clock 19. This is a gun. Yes. Cool. That shoots 14 rounds. Okay. Right?

Yeah. And it's a semi-automatic pistol. Okay. And then you put the clock switch. Have you seen what, and they make it into a machine gun? So the guns that go like, fras, fras. Exactly.

When you pull the trigger. Yeah. So it's no longer a pop, pop, pop, pat, exactly. So your reaction time, your accuracy is totally affected by the speed at which a bullet can be fired. Okay.

So do you see what I'm saying? So what we're saying is, if a car can go that fast, you are not in control of it anymore. If a gun fires that quickly, you are not in control of it anymore. Look, I hear what you guys are saying, and if I hear you correctly,

what I'm hearing you say is, hater, hater, hater, hater, hater, hater, hater, hater, hater. Hater, hater. That's what I'm hearing. You guys are now bringing in the limitations of humankind. I'm just saying... Who is the guy? I'm just saying, as a guy who enjoys speed,

and like, I've always enjoyed the pursuit of acceleration in a vehicle. It's a fantastic idea to see how quickly we can do it. That element of it is cool. Whether it will or won't be road legal, I think that's actually very achievable. I think that's very achievable. The one for me that I think, think is like up in the air, excuse the pun, is the vacuum sucking up. I'm like, guys, have you seen what's on the road? Where's all that shit going to go? The debris? You're driving

around like a Dyson car that's sucking up everything. It looks so light too when it's falling. No, that was impressive. You got to admit that was impressive. But was there someone inside? I don't think there was. No, they actually had one of their, remember those robots that were actually like the people in the Philippines. That's what was inside the car. Those fake Tesla robots. They're not fake. The robot is real. The way it thinks is fake. It was a lady dressed in a robot.

You're going to do the demo. Super Guinea. Oh, no. Wait, wait, wait, wait. You know what I thought? What I saw it, though, is this would ruin hip-hop videos where they do the hydraulics and the cars bouncing. They're just, like, exhibits.

He's gone out of the video. Or like, Denzel and train. day. It's like, you're in the office, baby. Oh, man. No, I won't lie. I think it was, this is funny enough for me, that video was the perfect encapsulation of Elon Musk. It's what I've been

trying to say for years and people don't understand as I go. I think he is a brilliant like showman. He's brilliant at showing you his idea and what he hopes it will be. The thing that I'm always skeptical of for him and anyone

else in technology is like oh guys you don't understand how many product demos we see that people launch do you know how many tech companies have launched a phone that can that can that can a device in your house that can that can that and then

when you're actually using it you're like oh this is far from what they said it could do now with him I think like Elon pushes the limits on what you can do when he's showing it to you but you you just have to be blind or willfully ignorant to not see all the times when it doesn't happen.

The hyperloop, all of it. We didn't know who he was when the hyperloop started. No. And it was like, oh, there's going to be a nationwide network of these things that will get you like Los Angeles, San Francisco, build it across the country. No. It's like nowhere.

No. Yeah. So that it's, you have to take it with that in mind. Yes. But what I'm saying I like. An ocean of salt. What I like about him is, I do feel you need people like that,

especially in the world of tech, too forced tech. Oh, to get things moving. Yeah, because I think the thing is, if you can only do what is achievable, or you only try and do what is achievable, then you're never innovating. So I think you need people who are trying to do the impossible.

Okay, here's a simple example. Steve Jobs. Yeah. When Apple was on the brink of bankruptcy, like they were one of the periods, like they were having their worst period, or forget the time on this, don't ask me about years and stuff.

but Apple was going to do like a big presentation one of their new Macs the iMac or whatever those things were called right and Steve Jobs said to his team this thing needs to speak yes it needs to speak at the launch it needs to say hello

and they were like we can't we can't make it happy he's like yo this thing needs to speak at the presentation they were like yo dude we can't the engineers were like we just can't and Steve Jobs was like guys I don't care what we do

you have to find a way for this thing to speak. And up until like the night before, apparently, they couldn't get, and then something happened, he pushed, he pushed. And then they like sort of cheated it and they made it speak. And that becomes like the turning point of Apple's journey again. Right? Because the launch was so amazing.

People like, yo, did you see the computer? And then it spoke. Oh, my God. You with me? So now afterwards, he then sort of goes on to sort of get it to where it was going to be. But he needed to create that hype. so that the company survives so that he gets to that place. So I think you need a balance of snake oil salesman

pushing us to a future that isn't real so that we try get there and skeptical's going like, no, there is no future to get to. That's what I'm saying. You find like Christopher Columbus and those kinds of guys were getting their money, I'm going to show you the world. They're like, I know the world's not.

They were probably like, I don't know the world's not round. I don't believe this shit. I just need money to do this new thing. I'm trying to go further. I can't get more money. But if I tell them I'm going around the world because it's round, they're going to be like,

well, that's interesting. They give me more money. And then when they were sitting there like, oh, shit, the world is. You know what I mean? That's the Mars thing. But you can't live there. Yes.

It's like I'm getting the money to go to Mars. Yes. So for me, I understand. I go, it's a cognitive dissonance that I'm willing to hold. Okay. I go a lot of it won't be real, but we need you to push us.

We need people. to just, yeah. How many times did you watch it before that started coming in? Because for me, I was like the first watch the video of it going up. Because the first time I saw it, I was just like... First time this one wasn't sold. Yeah. No, I watched...

Very first time. No, no, no, no. I watched that video no less than 20 times. Yeah? Yeah, no less. 20! At least. Where did you find a time?

20 times! It's a three-minute video. If that. 20! Yeah, easily. Because the first few songs I watched it with you, when Cizu was sent it to us. Yes.

Because I watched it because I was like, wait, is this real? Is it like a styrofoam vehicle? Is it? I'm trying to understand. I'm trying to understand. Yeah, I'm trying to understand. Yeah, I'm trying to understand. And then I kept watching it.

Then I kept watching it. Then I kept watching it. Then I kept watching it. Then I watched the full alert. Then I watched the full launch. Then I was like, okay, watch the behind the scene stuff. Then I watched like the testing. Then I watched everything around it to try and understand.

Okay, wait. What is it that I'm actually seeing? And then I was like, oh, okay, these parts are not crazy. I mean, I remember seeing a British supercar that was launched years ago, I think like 2009 or something. And they also did a demonstration, not as cool, but they took the car, they put it on like a platform and then they spun it upside down. And the car like holds itself because it's also using like fans. It's a well-known technology, that part. But when is that useful driving?

So for Gs, for cornering G forces. Okay. Because one of the things that you're fighting against. But just like you're in traffic at a tunnel. You're like, nope. And you go on the topic. I don't know what's practical. So when you're driving a car very fast,

one of the things you're struggling against is the G forces. You're in a corner. Your centrifugal force is pulling you in that direction, right? So you've got all these forces are pulling you because that's where you were going. But turning is going against the direction you were going. And so now your tires are fighting to stay on the ground. To stay on the ground.

Right. But your mass is pulling you in that direction. And so one of the ways you achieve this is through down force. So by pushing an object closer to the ground, either making air go on top of it or pulling the ground to it, you can then make the vehicle stick to the floor, essentially. Got it.

The weirdest part is that he and Peter Thiel were in that accident. Which accidents? They sold all the money for like X.com or PayPal, the first X.com. And he bought like some insane fast car, right? There's like video of him on, I don't know if it was 60 minutes or whatever, He's getting a car. Oh, we get it delivered. Yeah, it was a McLaren.

And so he got it delivered. And then he and Peter T. were driving. And Elon goes like, watch this. Like, floors it. And then totally rolls the car, which, watch this right before you roll car. Like, it's part of it. I've never seen that.

Yeah. He totally racked the car. And they obviously survived and whatever. But it feels like he's trying to have had a time machine that would fix that moment. But, like, that's exactly the thing of like, oh, how could I have been safe in that moment for people who want to be going that fast. I think I look, yeah. I like I,

I mean, you know my stance on it. I haven't seen anything that'll change my opinion on him because I go like, no, I see Elon. In fact, I would even say my, my stance on Elon Musk has softened when I've read about like great inventors in history. Yes. And whether or not you think he's an inventor or not, you'd be like, oh, he just buys his company.

Yeah, but you can't deny that he does a good job of like pushing the thing to become more than what it is. and you know, SpaceX is a good example of that, etc. Like, no one, people were like, you can't fly, rockets are expensive. The guy came in, he pushed them in a certain way they get there. Same with data sensors and stuff. So take away your political hate for him. It's hard, but, you know, take it away.

And I go... Central Fingal forces pushing you this way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, just try. You got a foreigner the hate, yeah, get back on the other side. Have you read the stories about, like, Edison? Oh, man. if that guy had Twitter back then and we could read his tweets now

we would think differently about using electricity yeah like oh are you using a light bulb it would be like I don't know if you want to use a light bulb if you know what kind of person he was like he was Henry Ford's you know he's like yes a lot of these guys like in fact I would say most people through history

had we known all their opinions about the world and life we probably would have a very different opinion on them, whereas we just have the object that they made. There was a story of like this about Chase, like the Chase of Chase Bank, who founded Chase Bank. I didn't know Chase was a person. Chase was a person, wasn't it? No, I didn't.

There was J.P. Morgan. Yeah, yeah. Or was it J.P. Morgan. I think he was selling. Well, J.P. Morgan Chase, so it could be Chase. It could be. Yeah. I'd have to go back and look.

But he founded, he had this company when he was starting out. He was, it was Civil War, and he was selling. rifles to the soldiers. But he got all these rifles, but they were like malfunctioning rifles. But he got me so he sold them at a discount from the soldiers. And so then they're there and they're like, I'm the rifle.

And it was like blowing their thumbs off of the people shooting the rifle. And so then they're like, yo, you can't do that. We bought them. He's like, I told you like I saw them at a discount. And so then I think. There was like a lawsuit or they're like, nah, like you bought them knowing that they were cheap,

but that was his origin story. It was like, cool. And then he's like, I'll find him to bank. And so then that's how he gets in. But yeah. Oh, man. If your money's in chase,

you've got, yeah. That's pretty crazy. Yeah, but he saved lives as well. Who? Him. Oh,

he's a malfunctioning gun. The enemy's lives. That is one way to stop a war. Yeah. Just give everyone a gun that blows off their fingers. Yeah. That is one way to like, if you're like a passive.

Just everyone in the world. Yeah, malfunctioning gun? Yeah, everyone running around, no thumbs. Yeah. That's a crazy story. Isn't that crazy? Maybe it was J.P. Morgan. I can't.

I don't have to... I wonder. Now, I want to know. Now, I want to know. No, I want to know. Now, I look it up. Yeah. Now, I mean, it makes sense

now when you think of the names. Yeah. Who sold guns? J.P. Morgan or Chase. Jesus. What do you mean? What do you want me to say? You want me to, like, have, like, small talk.

Hey, phone. How you doing? So, me and my friends was just chatting. You know, we're just, first of all, so J.P. Morgan, during the Civil War, J.P. Morgan purchased 5,000 defective rifles from the U.S. Army for $3.50 each and resold them back to a union general

for $22. Union's good or bad guys? Good. The good guys. I mean, it depends on what state you're in, but it was good. Let's go with good. Wow, he sold this to the good guys.

Damn. Yeah. For 22. What a profits. Damn, okay. Yeah, the Bank of Manhattan Company, merge the chase yeah okay yeah so it was j p morgan

jp morgan yes that's actually that's actually good okay huh legendary yeah so well there you have it that's it what the pistol that killed

the founding father man now I'm down a rabbit hole wait that's Hamilton right yeah yeah yeah yeah no I'm just saying yeah I'm just saying oh this is great you should see this

now we're just going to be in the room where it happened in the room where it happened that could be a national anthem. You watched Hamilton. Yeah. You've never been to know. No, no, no. It was really. My daughter's watched it millions of times. I loved it. I won't lie. I think at some point it became either because it became too popular, it started to become the Lion King. The backlash. Parity of itself in a weird way. But I thought it was amazing. But things like that, I think society

does that, right, is when a thing is novel, people love it for what is. They go, this is amazing. It gets big. Everyone wants to be a part of it. of it. But then when everyone is a part of it and it becomes too big, everyone hates it. At some point, people just go like, no, we're going to hate it. Yeah. It's corny. You like, people, yeah. Then you're like, why do you hate it? It's like, yeah, just because. I thought it was great. Hamilton was great. I wish all American history was like, I would learn all of it. Now when I would like watch a documentary or something, then I'm like, guys, guys, where's the rapping? What are you doing here? I can't learn like this. But that's like the Shakespearean

history. You just have to make history rhyme and people will learn it because he's doing it in And yeah. Yeah, that's true. You should make everything rhyme and then people... I think school was... I used to do that when I was learning exams in school

I would turn them into rap songs. Really? Yeah. And I'd record them on a tape recorder. And then I would just... Yo, man, you like history here? And then I would listen to the songs before class.

Aparteed mixtape, Bambange. Jesus. Apartheid mixtape, Echin. My God. No, and I used to make songs in school. So I'd go home Yeah, I'd go home and I'd put You remember the cassette recorder?

Press record, yeah. And then press record. And then the radio we had had a speaker in it. It wasn't good, but a speaker in it. And then you could play one tape like music and then you could record sound and tape on the second deck.

And then I would record like all the things. The speaker was a microphone. History, whatever I was trying to learn, I would, then I would be there. The Bolshevik revolution. And then I'd like, and then I would just.

do that. Ah, what rhymes with that? Oh, my God. Bullshit, balsher-vue. Ah, no. Oh, snap. Why'd I start with that?

Ah, this is not a good freestyle. Yeah, that's how I... And then I remember thinking, like, I feel like most kids in school aren't failing because they're not good at the subject. They're failing because the way they're taught to recall the thing isn't easy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Like, I know kids who have failed in school, who can tell you every line from their favorite movie. They can sing you a list of like 200 songs and not miss a single lyric. They can tell you the plot from every video game they've played every moment. Okay, what happened with Trevor? When did Franklin do this? And at what point does this happen in Grand The Thor? They know all of it.

I thought you meant Benjamin Franklin. You were talking about GTA 5 Franklin. Yeah, that's very different Franklin. Yeah, no, no. The only Franklin that matters to me, my friend. Benjamin Franklin walking out with a kiker. Oh, shit, here we go here. Yeah, and then

I go, these kids are failing not because they don't remember. It's because they're not taught in a way that they will recall and then they can't recall. And then now you're a failure, but you're not actually a failure.

That makes sense to me you would learn that way because you approach things musically always, like the rhythm of a thing as opposed to like going up and, oh, I can picture the words on the page. Like if I'm doing,

performing something or whatever, like I can see the page. And that's how I'm, would study for tests was like I could like actually see the note in my mind when I was studying always I wish I had that that's a superpower but the musical thing is like I you the way you can do the anthem is like I'm not even going to do the words it's just the melody of it but I feel like that's how you would approach comedy yes that and I think that and so like that locked in for me working at the show was like oh he will approach things musically yeah you know what I mean like you know I was

talking about I go the rhythm even like in a vibe I can go like the rhythm yes off yeah of people, the rhythm is off. You'll feel it sometimes. Have you been in a room, a party, a dinner, whatever it is? If the rhythm hits the right notes, all of a sudden everyone is talking, but it doesn't feel loud and everyone's laughing. That's when the rhythm is perfect.

You've just hit the right note and everything is going. And inevitably, there'll be some idiot who stands up. It's like, excuse me, everyone. Excuse me, king, ging, ging, ging, ging, excuse me. And you're like, no, no, the rhythm was perfect. And then they spoil it. it becomes like the anthem. Yeah, it does.

It's like, ah, changed, and it didn't transition the way it used to transition. You just come and interrupt everything. We'll be right back after the short break. My dad had his plane hit by lightning one time, too. Before that. No, no, you should have started with... We should have led with that, bro.

Before that. I know you, Devin. No, you, Devin. I see what your jeet means, bro. No, no. No, ma'am, you should have led with that. Before, but no. I think so...

Mom, I'm out here thinking your dad needs to get over his fears. Meanwhile, it looks like God is coming for your dad, brother. It feels like final destination is trying to get your dead. But only plain god is his jurisdiction. Yeah. Everywhere else is. Yeah, hey, man. Meanwhile your dad was the opposite of D.B. Cooper.

Did your parents survive a plane crash? Yes. What? Yeah, I remember that. I was like, Eugene will find this last night. What did you lead with that? What? In my head, you know what I thought?

In my head, I thought, ah, Eugene's probably going to wonder why he doesn't stop with that. Yeah. What a waste? How long? 20 minutes of. Guys. Who could have led with that? What am I going to...

Hey, man, nice to meet you. Hey, can I tell you my parents? Absolutely. Really? Yeah. First thing. If I survived Ebola, you'd think I wouldn't lead with that. I mean, just...

Yeah. Would I not lead with that? Hand sanitized first. Like, that's politeness. This is not like... He'd be more subtle. Yeah. You're probably wondering why I'm sanitizing my hands before I shake yours.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, yeah. They survived a plane crash. 1982, they were in Spain, traveling overseas, you know, they were these friends of theirs who were on their honeymoon and hanging out. So they get on the plane.

They're in the back row. Plane goes, takes off. Something happens with the engine. They don't even know, I think, necessarily, but like something happens with one of the engines fails. The pilot, like, split second decision decides, like, I'm not going to go up. I don't think I'm going to make it. So it goes back down. off the runway, then through, like, across a highway, into a field and, like, burst into flames.

And so then my parents are there. 55 people died. They were in the back where, like, most of them. Survived. Died. And so my dad, like, dad and mom, like, get up. My mom is walking. They fall.

She falls. He, like, grabs her, goes. They go towards the front. And I've asked my parents about it. And it was, like, why? You were in the back. back, why don't you go to the exit in the back? And my dad was just like, there was no future back there. I'm like, that's a crazy thing. But like to hear and say, so they go out, they jump off the wing.

My mom, like, broke her ankle. They're all like bruised. And the plane was on fire and then they make it out. It was like, and this happened two years before I was born. So I was not even around or anything like that. And like any story like this, there's like all these elements. So they were visiting their, their friend Charlie Beck in Spain and hanging out with them. And so, like, drops him off the airport, buy, whatever. So he goes to, like, a local bar, and he's hanging out. And he sees on the TV. On the news. That, like, plane crash, whatever.

And he, like, runs out of the bar, leaves his shoes. Like, doesn't—runs out of his shoes, right? True panic. Like, gets in a cab, goes to the airport, whatever, and, like, is, like, looking for them to see if they're alive, whatever. And gets to the airport. My parents are, like, you know, in. the days or whatever, like going around. So he's going and like trying to talk to people and, like,

had to figure out what he would have to do if he would have to identify them. And he, like, these horrible things. So then eventually, like, he finds them and they had this reunion. And he was this, like, kind of like, he was a character, this guy. So he gets up to them and he goes. He had his shoes off at the bar. He goes, oh, my God. No, he left his shoes apart, ran out.

So then he gets him. He goes, oh, my God, you're alive. And he goes, do you have any money? I have to pay the cabbie. any money. So he asked them. They're like, we don't have money.

We don't have a plane crash. And he's like, I have a cabby's waiting. I gotta go. So. So then they, you know, then they have to go.

They don't have their passports. They have nothing. And they're in Spain. They're in a different country. So then they're in this like administrative nightmare where you're like, I'm in Spain. Well, how did you get to Spain?

Now you're not just people survivors. You are refugees. Yeah. Yes. Yes, and you have to go to the embassy and stuff. Yeah. And so then they have to go through all that kind of thing and their passports and whatever. And so it was a whole thing.

Did they fly home? No, they took the Queen Elizabeth, too. They took the ship. They have not flown sound. Because I was wondering. Yeah. I was wondering, if anyone survives a plane crash, do they go into a plane again? My parents have not.

They have. No, since. Never. Ever. Ever. Yeah. First time I flew, I was 21. But we took, I would travel across country.

We took a trip. We would drive. We would take the train. And then, um, I went to Europe. We went on the Queen Elizabeth, too, when I went, which was great. Damn. Does they watch Titanic?

I don't even know if I haven't watched Titanic. I'm just saying, like, I'm just saying, you don't. Why are you laughing? Yeah. I'm doing that. I think, I mean, and I don't know because it's like. I'm just saying, no, what I'm saying is like, this is a genuinely a dilemma I always have in my brain is like, oh.

When something bad happens to you in life. Yeah. like this specifically. Do you then see this as the lightning striking and missing you? And so you should carry on with your... Or do you now go like, I'm not going to go outside again? And both, I think, have merits.

One is like, I'm not going to fly again because a plane crash. The other one is like, no, I should fly all the time now because, like, you can't have more than one plane crash. My dad had his plane hit by lightning one time too. Before that. No, no, you should have started with... We should have led with that, bro.

Before that. I thought you... I wanted it. No, you... I see what Eugene means. No, no, Mom, man, you should have led with that. Before, but no, I think... Mom, man, I'm out here thinking your dad needs to get over his fears.

Meanwhile, it looks like God is coming for your dad, brother. No, but... He feels like final destination is trying to get your dad. But only plain God is his jurisdiction. Yeah. Everywhere else is guys. Yeah, hey, man. Meanwhile, your dad was the opposite of D.B. Cooper.

He was just getting away from the plane. Yo. I think that's part of it because he's talked about flying before, because he likes to travel and whatever. And he's like, I'm not going to get on a plane. But sometimes he'd be like, should I, I don't know. And he's like thought about it. But I really think it would be like, if it goes down,

I'm not as afraid of like to be like, I knew I should. I got a warning and I shouldn't have done. He would be more like, You call it two warnings. Because lightning first. Yeah. Then it's like, oh, you didn't learn. Okay.

Crash, but you survived. Yeah, first. Yeah, you see? Lightning first is like a small warning. Yeah. Second one, you survive the crash. Third one. You want to do a third one?

Ha, no. Uzo so, no. But why is it that there's a few mozzo of transport where if people have a near-death experience in them, they swear never to partake anymore. One is a motorcycle. Yeah. Yeah.

Like everyone always remembers the story of a cousin or an ex-boyfriend of a stranger and then, you know, who died in a motorbike accident. Yeah, yeah. And then there's a plane crash where people are like, I'll never go into a, you know what I mean? Yeah. But car accidents happen every day. Bus accidents happen every day. Yeah.

Bicycle accidents happen every day. I've never heard people swearing off of driving a car ever again. Like, no. I don't even get inside a taxi. don't care. But why is it that these few modes of transport, people are like, you see, what are the three? Motorcycles? Yeah.

Planes. Yeah. And then ships. There's people who've been in ship accidents and then they're like, never again. It's a valid point. A boat, yeah. I've never thought of this. Honestly.

A boat. People are like, yeah, it was a boat accident. Right? I actually never thought of that. Because they're in a lake. They're in a dam. Yeah. Like a boat accident, people excuse.

A ship. But it's like every day. Like a mode of transportation every day. I don't know where my dad would fall in the Elon car because it's like technically this thing is flying. Am I allowed? Am I allowed to do it? Where do you draw the line?

But why is it that people do that? Why is that people go, could it be the novelty maybe? So maybe what it is is because there aren't as many motorbikes on the road and there aren't as many people in motorbike accidents in their lives, that becomes anomalous. and then there's so many cars that your brain tells you that if someone has an accident

that's not the normal experience of being in a car but then with planes because you don't live with them and you don't see them every day on the road your brain doesn't tell you how many planes they actually are so you go like

if a plane crashes it means planes are not safe I don't know I genuinely... But then people who ride motorcycles and have had motorcycle accidents never say I'll never ride a motorcycle ever again but that's what I'm saying people that have never been on

top of a motorcycle, have never lost anyone from a motorcycle accident who say how dangerous motorcycles are, you know what I mean? Same with a captain of a ship. Yeah. Of a cruise ship. Once there's an accident that happens or bad weather happens, then

the passengers are like, I'll never go on a ship again. But the captain never goes, I'll never sail another ship again. So maybe that's what it is though. It's maybe it's a measure of control. So bikes, planes and ships are all things that most people

do not know how to drive themselves and you don't encounter them. So most people who drive cars don't ride motorbikes or have never ridden a motorbike. Most people do not know how to fly a plane. Most people do not know how to steer a ship, right?

How do you steer ships again? Oh, how do you steer ships? Well, then, Captain Ahab. What do you mean? It's like this. What? I think there's those... What are you doing right now?

What is this? Hey man, you hold... Have you seen what I... What are they called? I don't know. A steering wheel of a ship. Steering wheel of a ship. Yeah?

Yeah. Have you seen it before? Yes. Yeah. The typical... What does it look like? It's round? Yeah.

And you spin it and you... No, doesn't it? Is it smooth? It's smooth on the outside. Ha. Yeah, I won't. I knew it. In all the maritime paraphernalia you've ever seen.

You've never seen what a ship wheel looks like. Are you talking about a pirate ship? No, just a normal... I'm pledged a... Or when are you talking about one of those? Are you talking? What? No, no, no.

Cruise ship controls look like a fighter jet control. It's called a helm. The helm. A helm. Thank you, Jess. What does a typical helm look like, a stereotypical helm? It kind of looks like a wheel with spokes. There we go.

And how would you hold those spokes? That's why you're doing the thing. But that's not like old-timey pirate ship style. Here, look here. If we look at the images, is this not a steering wheel? No. That's not what I was picked. But this is on a cruise ship.

Yeah. No, wait. I'm not crazy. This is on a cruise ship. That looks like a go-kart, though. You're talking about this thing. Oh, in 1970s. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, but I'm saying cruise ships don't have this. No. If you go to any, like, shrimp restaurant you've seen them. That's like the, you know what I mean? When I'm thinking of the current states of maritime technology, I'm not using shrimp restaurants as my benchmark. I've just been pledging allegiance to so many ships. As I got.

Under the pirate flag. that I have to know what's the wheel looks like. No way. This is how I've always... It's like someone describing how to drive a truck. We're like, oh, and then the steering wheel. I'm like, no. A truck steering wheel is not like this.

What is it? It's like this. I mean, now those are semantics. Trevor. That's like semantics, my brother. That's like a small difference. You're making like the person invented a completely different thing. It's just like the angle that they got off.

But the main thing they're remembering is this. Or the pirate captain being like, 10 and two. Arr. 10 and 2 parallel part But I think it's because of that That's my

That's my if I'm just guessing here So saying is the average person So I think we are more likely to believe That the thing that we know how to control Taking somebody's life Was an error or their mistake But the thing we don't know how to control We go

Oh man I don't that thing is dead dangerous. Like the thing is dangerous. Yes, yes. So because most people don't ride a motorbike, they're like, mm-mm, mm-mm, man, those motorbikes, those things are dangerous because they can't even like balance on the thing. Most people can't fly a plane.

So they go like, mm-mm, planes are dangerous. Most people can't, a ship, they're like, no, those things are dangerous. But a car, they're like, no, I know. I can do better. Yeah. Like, think about it even when you're, okay, when you're driving on the road, doesn't matter who you're with, you see an accident, a car's flipped upside down or whatever.

Most of the time, what are you saying? It's a Tesla. That's probably Peter Thiel. Yeah. I keep driving. Most of the time, you say to yourself, what were they doing? Yeah. Most of the time.

You cost judgment immediately. Most of the time you see a car that's flipped on a highway or it's smashed. You go, what were they doing? That's what you say. But when a plane crashes, you don't say, what were they doing. You go like malfunction with the equipment

or whatever. One can be attributed to human error. That's what... Yes. One is mechanical error. We don't know how planes work because we don't fly planes.

So when a plane crashes we go, it's a plane. When in fact, I think it's like more than 98% I stand to be corrected of plane crashes are all human error in some way, shape or form.

So it's just that we go, no, no, no. A human made that mistake because I know how you do that properly. And I've never crashed and I've been driving for Yeah, but with a motorbike, they're like, how does it even stay up? It only has two wheels.

How does this even... So that's, I mean, that's how I think it is. I think as people we generally think the things we do are safer than the things that we don't understand. I wonder if the people on the Titanic ever took another ship, like the people who survived. Oh, they probably did. I think a lot of people didn't. Yeah, there was no way of getting back home. How were they going to get home?

They didn't. I think a lot of people didn't. I wouldn't be shocked if a lot of people didn't. They just like, okay. They became immigrants of that place. Hey, my man. Also, remember. I'm British now.

They were already doing that. A lot of people were going to America to go. So the last ship they took was the one that rescued them. Basically, I wouldn't be shocked. Because they were not hella vacked. Yeah, but do you think? You think. Because you know what I mean?

They were floating on doors. Yes. From a sinking ship. Okay. Then another ship came to pick them up. So if they were so vehemently against ships. That's not how the brain works. Not at the moment.

Or not at the moment. The brain doesn't work like that. Okay. So get me out of here first. and then I'll swear off this thing. Yes. One last life and death. And then I'll never drink again.

Your body, man, your brain, your body, all those things is just like, I'm, you're terrified. Now the next time you hear the sound, bong, bum, bum. No, man, I can just see the... What I think it would have been violins. Those people would have hated violins. All of it. Yeah, because that movie put a damp on me.

I'm a violin. I never wanted to see another violin. When the band kept on playing, they put the end. I was like, ah, come on, guys. Man, what a great movie. Yeah. I've watched the second half of time. Titanic probably 12 times.

From where to where? Where's the second half for you? When the sinking happens? Yeah, probably from like the sinking-ish part. Around there. I've never watched the first half of Titanic ever. Why not? So when the Matrix first came out,

okay. All I wanted to watch was The Matrix. It was the greatest campaign I'd ever seen for a film. I didn't know what it was. It just had a thing and it said, the Matrix has you. Oh yeah. What is the Matrix?

The first like viral marketing. I did not know what was happening. I just knew that I had to watch this movie. Yeah. So the first time I went to watch The Matrix, going to the cinema and watch the movie. Like this is the greatest movie I've ever seen in my life. I don't understand it though.

Yeah. I'm like, wait, what, what? I have to see it again. I don't have the money to just go see a movie again. So what I would do then is, would sneak into the movies, right? So the best way to sneak into the movies was to use people exiting a movie,

and then you go into the movies. But now the problem is, there's the time between showings. Because people are cleaning the theater. So you can't just go wait for the, you can't be like, no, I'm going to wait for Neo to come. No, there's none of that. They'll kick you out.

So what I'd do is I'd wait for people to be leaving any movie, right? So I'd wait for the Matrix to leave. and then I would go in with them basically I'd be like I forgot something my wallet or whatever I'd run back in and then when I'd come out I'd just go into Titanic

because Titanic was like three hours long Okay And then I'd go sit in Titanic And Titanic's last hour would get me through to the next showing of the Matrix Yes because you already passed the ticket check And then when Titanic would leave I would just go start the Matrix again

But how did you get There's no one taking tickets at the... There's only one checkpoint Oh yeah Yeah it's one you have the main Once you're in, you're in. That's the only time you do tickets is at the main entrance.

Between theaters, you can do what you are. Most movie theaters, even now in America, you can move freely between movie theaters. Matrix and Titanic were at the same time? In South Africa, we had crazy, like, we had movies that came out three years after you guys. Yeah, I mean, that was, Titanic was like, what, 96 or 97?

The Matrix was 99. No, no, no, we had crazy. Do you remember the time lapses that we had in, we had movies sometimes where you guys, we couldn't believe, like now, South Africa gets a movie when it comes out. that was not the case. Really? Okay.

Days of Our Lives was the biggest soap opera in South Africa. The thing. We were, how many years behind? Yo, years and years and years. We used to hear stories about America being ahead. No, but like, I'm talking maybe six years, maybe even more. A couple that was in love in South Africa had long divorced in America, had died even. The stars of the young and the restless, bold and the beautiful, days of our lives, all of that,

when they found out how big they were in South Africa. Yeah, they couldn't believe it. And then they would come out and do these like speaking gigs. Ron Moss, yeah. Really? Wow. But then when they got there. But years after, yeah.

And then like people... Because they could do press then like after the fact. It would be like, oh, okay. Yeah, but then they would come with spoilers. And people like, what do you mean when Brooke and I got divorced? Then they're like, what? Wow. Yeah, we were like way, way behind.

So there was no spoiler. We had some movies, bro. It was crazy. We had some movies that came out. It's like, ah, bra, the Titanic sinks. No. We literally had some movies in South Africa that would come out like a year and a half after America.

And then some that would come out two months. But we never knew when the... But it was still new. And our cinemas is another factor you have to consider. The cinemas would play things when they want as well.

Right. What they could afford. So remember, you'd be watching Jean-Claude Van Damme. You'd be watching Double Dragon at the same time as kickboxer.

Okay. The cinema could just choose to put them out. There was a screening room. So did they just have like prints of the movie? movies then? I've never asked them.

Yeah. We should ask Billy, actually. We should ask Billy actually. That would be, yeah. Yeah, we just played like random, random movies all the time. So, but still no first half of Titanic, never like snuck back in anything like that. No, there's no need. Yeah.

I don't think I've ever seen. Yeah. Because I need to check as a whole. No future, nothing, nothing, nothing. Oh my God. He's a homewrecking. This guy just said Jack is a hobo. Home-wracking hobo.

He was a pure definition. I don't think I've ever heard Jack described as that. Well, if you look up the word hobo, that would be Jack. Yeah. You don't say I'm king of the world. Yeah. He's a hobo that became a doorway. Oh, I didn't know that.

They had nothing to do. You thought he was actually king of the world? And she let him drown. Why is the king of the world on a door? This is so because he is. Oh, man. Did you believe what they're doing to the king of the king of him? Wow, how do you go here?

That is so crazy. Yeah, I'm trying to think of all the movies I did that with. Because there were like a bunch of movies. Devil's Advocates. Yeah, that's another one. That's, yeah, like New York. That actually might have been the one, actually. Yeah, it might have been Devil's Advocates.

Because there was a double impediment to Devil's Advocate. Number one, I couldn't afford it. But number two, you weren't allowed to watch the movie. R-rated. Yeah, yeah. But then they told us all the boys at school, they were like, yo, if you go there, you get to see a naked lady. We talked about this one time because...

Charlize's... Yeah, as the naked lady. Yeah. Probably in this generation, because there's so much pornography everywhere, young boys are not watching movies like Titanic. Yes. That like boys who, in growing up in this age, and I've never seen Titanic fully.

Oh, you haven't either? I have not seen it. What was your excuse? My parents were to play crash. I had to be on ships. I couldn't be thinking about Titanic, right? I couldn't be like... I was like, no.

I'll watch a live or flight with Denzel or Sully or whatever. But Titanic, I was like, no, I can't have that. This is all I've got left. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I can't be watching movies where trains crash, anything like that. Okay, okay.

So, but no, like people would watch, like, young boys would watch those movies. Like, oh, I think there's going to be nudity in this movie. But then they're watching, like, a beautiful love story about Titanic. Yeah, waiting for that moment. Just to see that part. Yes. But now there's, they're not accessing it that way because it's so. Sharon Stone in that movie

What's the memory Oh, basic instinct When she crosses the legs She does the thing Ha my man What and what a great movie We had to sit through To get to that scene

What Sharon Stone did For interracial relationships My man She will never be rewarded for My man He will never get the accoling I mean she must have a statue Somewhere in the train station

Because I mean Young black boys were like Yeah it can It is possible Wait what is possible That What did

What did? Right? That one day I'm going to be doing an interrogation. What's the truth there? Oh, man. If I can catch this woman. Oh, man. I need as a metal chair and a degree from a police university.

We didn't see that creepy fat guy. We didn't see the one-way mirror. We didn't see anything. All we saw was at a hard hand with the legs and the glimpse of her. And then the eye contact and we were like, rer wound that tape so many times. Vichu, and the stalking of white chicks just went up. At our blockbuster, that tape was damaged at that scene. Yeah, was rewind, rewind, rewind, rewind, rewind.

People rewound it too many. Yeah, yeah. Those, there were, you could always tell in a movie with Rambo, it was like, you know, the big, like, forest blowing up thing scene. With every movie, with karate kid, it was like the sweep the leg. Yeah. So at our blockbuster, you knew which section people had just like overly, I guess, watched or rewound, I don't know.

Yeah. Because it would just. That one was finished. Because it was a physical object. It would go like, it would do the grainy thing. Only in the great scenes. Yeah. But that's what you see to that point, I, this is going to sound like the craziest law.

But if I was like in office, I would say legally. You see like porn is legal, but I would say like no, all porn has to have a story. Really? Yeah, Trevor, we don't have that much time. This is exactly my point. That, what you're just saying now. Jach. Yes, exactly.

That is exactly why. Exactly why. Now must hear your love. Hey, my ex-husband. Yes. Let's do. Exactly. Let me tell you why.

Let me tell you why. I think that pornography, as we think of it, is as old as time. Do you get what I'm saying? It's just as changed. I mean, there's painting, statues, etc. Yeah. So it's as old as time. So I'm not going to be one of those people's like, ah, pornography, no.

I mean, the human body people, it's fine, whatever. The issue I have now with porn is that it's too readily available. and it removes the context of sex as a whole. Yeah. So what... It's strictly object. Yeah. But like what I think was what was without realizing it as a young man,

just the fact that like the porn had a story, it's like how did these people meet and what was the thing? That thing to me, I would make it essential in everything. I would make it like, you know, like you can't skip ads. I would make it like that in porn. If you go to any porn sites, you have to watch the story. You get into office. Yeah.

You've really lost. Well, but why are wasting our time? We don't have much time to be getting... Remember that, also, porn is not like we're watching a soap here with our families. We're watching it without our family. Also, how are you going to enforce this? Because is there going to be like... But no, there's like...

No, but it's the law. Are you going to have a government board that's like, this story is derivative? You need to go back and rewrite. Are you reading the script? Yeah, film and publications board. My man, that AI can do that now. I love how you're making... These are small things.

But that's... AI's going to write the story? No, no, no, no. What I'm saying is... The oversight. the oversight of it is easy to achieve. Okay. It's very easy to achieve.

My man, the quick consumption of porn is the reason why men let their women go to the supermarket alone. As soon as the car reverses, you're like, let's go, but you're trying to see how much you can get through before the person comes back. And you see this watching, it's like slow fade in. We see...

Nah, now I'm sitting here watching a whole love story. Yes, yes. Then she must join me. No, it's not even about a love story. It's just about the beginnings, the human. I'm not saying, humanity. Guys, even if it's as small as plumber shows up at house, woman says, yo, my sink needs to be fixed.

Plummer comes in. They have a conversation. Then one thing leads to another. Even that, to me, is more human. And I think it's very necessary. Don't you think there's a genre for that? There's many genres in that thing now. Yes, but my genre.

Why don't you go to that genre when? Wena, when. Increase the views in that genre. Leave us, now, pro. We are fine, Tina, here at the takeaway stand. Are you freaking other people in there? Tina, we're fine here at the small window takeaway stand, Cloddle.

We're out of here. You? Yes, you're right. Actually, I'm trying to get the fast food out of the food. I'm trying to make it more nutritious. Yes. You're going to start a website called Only Plots. I'm looking for a good story here.

When are you trying to make it fine dining, three courses? Yeah. No, no. Just a little bit more. Just a little bit more. But you can't do that. also come into the movie halfway through. Just think of it as fortification.

What are you talking about? Yeah, man, the king of the world's having a great day. No, that's different. But that's different. Guys, I still watched for an hour. In fact, for me, if you think about it, Titanic, if you don't watch the full movie, if you just watch the middle of a movie,

it's a fantastic movie about the human condition and how people act when a ship is experiencing like a wreck. You know what Trevor sounds like right now? And class. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It sounds like a pilot that says, I skipped the whole theory part and I just did the practical only.

You need to know how the instruments work. Yes, but what I'm saying is, I'm saying. I know where the knobs are on the steering wheel. I can't fly this thing. I'm saying that there's enough in Titanic. He was like, fuck, take off. I mean, I'm mid-flight, I'm your guy. There's enough in Titanic.

Where are you going, Mr. Mr. Telekone? I got you. You're at the pack? I'm just trying to make. the world a better place. No, the world through art and through... The ability to overconsume to binge porn is their greatest invention.

Oh my God. It's the worst thing that's ever happened to us. It's terrible. It is the sanctimony that which... It's the worst thing that's ever happened to us. So bad. Not? Because it's not... It's bad.

It's the worst thing that's ever happened to us. It's the worst, my friend. It's the same as fast food. It is the... It is convenient, but it's not good for us. I'm not denying the convenience. I'm somebody who has partaken in fast food. but I'm going

Which one you were going to. But the speed I'm saying I also acknowledge that especially for us as men, it is not good. The speed that we can consume copious amounts of porn, I don't think it is good for us,

is what I'm saying. Whether you can do a thing and whether a thing is good for you, I separate into two different categories. And I'm saying... So in the storyline, that's the problem. And yeah, what I'm saying there's two parts to it.

One, the fact that you can just skip straight to sex part. The eye of my own brain, I just go like, I wonder what this does to guys when they can just go to sex part. How we wish

the world was like that. You see, this is what I'm saying. Now I'm there. Are you comfortable? Hey, Baba. We know what we want here. Wait a time. This is how men want the world to be. The skip button should exist.

We should know what we're in for. But that's life. That's exactly my point. I'm saying I acknowledge that in life. Remember, I, as Jay-Z would say, I know I'm guilty of it too. But? I know I'm guilty of it too. But?

But all I'm acknowledging here is some things may not be better for us just because we like them more. That's all I'm saying. So I'm saying just because we can watch more porn, just because we can watch more porn, just because we can even the wanting to skip in life in, okay, I'll give you a perfect example from my life. I love... Does it include porn?

You'll tell me at the end of the story. Okay, Sam. Your face. Your face. This was surprising. See, I'm invested in the story. I mean, but you're right. I love theme parks and roller coasters.

Love them. Love them. Love them a whole lot. life. America has some of the best, craziest theme parks you've ever been to. When I first got to California, my friend David Meyer, was like, yo, let's go, took me a theme park, six flags. The wildest, I mean, I came from a place where we only had one roller coaster that did a loop.

And it only did one loop. No, Anaconda was later on. Oh, a go drift city. Yeah, there was just the one that did a loop. Okay, okay. That was it. Okay. We had one loop in my entire existence.

And that was it. Okay. Came to a country where there were loops, plural on multiple rides. Yes. I was in heaven. The only thing that got me was, man,

I just, the lines, it's like, you wait an hour and then you ride for like 40 seconds. You wait an hour and you ride for like 40 seconds and maybe a minute if you're lucky,

30 seconds, you're like, how quick are these rides? But you're waiting for an hour every single time. And all I dreamed of, I was like, man, I wish there was a way to skip the lines. I wish there was to skip the lines.

Fast forward a few years. I then discover a thing that you can buy at theme parks where they let you skip the line completely. You skip the line. Beautiful. Right? Skip the line. And then on like certain days, if you're a member as well, there's fewer people in the park as well.

Right. So essentially you don't wait and you can rewrite as much as you want. I go, I'm definitely getting this. Go to the. the theme park. My usual, I go to all the rides that I normally love. This time I ride them multiple times and I go straight to the next one, no waiting and I ride, right, right. No exaggeration. The first time I went to the park, the times I'd go, the full experience of being at the park would have taken me probably like seven hours, I would say, somewhere around,

four to seven hours, depending on, you know? Before you had the flash pass. When I had that super pass and all these things, I was able to do like all the rides. Because we, We're running between them as well. I think we were able to do all the rides in maybe two hours, two and a half somewhere there. Every ride. Yeah, yeah. All the ones we wanted to do.

Because there's also the spinning cups. I don't need that. I'm not counting the cups. You're on the elephants. Like, I paid for this. Yeah, no. Yeah, yeah. No.

I have never felt that sick. I've never had a worse headache. Oh, yeah. Like, I felt horrible. Horrible, horrible. And it was only then that I realized that while I wished I could have skipped through every single moment in a theme park

and just got into the rides, part of the reason the rides were so enjoyable and exciting is because they were the culmination of the mundane and oftentimes laborious process of waiting in a line for a long time. I did not appreciate, nor do I, I'm not going to magically say I appreciate them now, but it just made me realize,

oh, because this thing was not what I was looking for And I knew it was part of the process. That's all I looked forward to. And when I got there, I was like, yeah. But when you just gave me that alone, it actually didn't feel as good. And I didn't wish to replicate that. Oh, you didn't get the satisfaction. But what I remember, too, is like when I would go to theme parks and six flags in high school, I would go with my friends.

And I feel like I remember the experience of waiting in line with my friends as much as anything else because you're trying to pass the time. That's exactly what I'm saying. A movie game or something like that. And that was fun. Also, I didn't remember the roller coaster because I had a concussion from it. Wait, really? No, no. Oh, okay.

I thought you guys said, Devon, I said, your family are moving objects. Yeah, no, yeah. I was like, Devin, we need to talk about moving objects. I was like, Devon, don't you want to move back from there? So all I'm saying is I'm with you a thousand percent on the like one side. I go like, I understand. We all want to go to the thing we want. Skip to the thing.

We all want to skip to the thing. Skip the corners. I feel it now parenting so much where anything that where you can tell it's like a dopamine cycle. It's just immediately, and I see it with my kids in Mario Kart, where you're like, it's just like, do the race, ah, am I going to come in first place? Yes, I did. Okay, start another one. It's just a cycle of, and as opposed to growing up, the games I loved were games that

had like stories where, oh, you got to unfold the narrative and you've got to solve a problem and whatever, as opposed to just like, and do it. Uh-huh. Like, you can tell that it's like, the kids will like just lose it when you have to turn that off because they get so invested in that cycle. Even let's say Super Mario Brothers itself. Yeah. If you look at the pacing of action versus,

it's like you're just moving along. Blop, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, bloop, boop, boop. Like it's whoop boop boop booboo do. That's that way Godfather. Yeah. Yeah, but what I'm saying is, though, you'll be surprised at how much of it is not anything happening technically. Yeah.

It's just you breaking bricks. There's nothing on the screen with you. there's no what are they called gumbas gumbas there's no gumbas there's no turtles there's none of that those flowers yeah yeah but there's none of it for a lot of the game and it's the moments where they punctuate the like stillness that that gives you

you know what I mean whereas a game like Mario Cod to your point you are constantly inundated with all the colors all the sounds all the flashing there's never a moment where like nothing is happening it calms down there's no story there you go yeah so I'm again that's I'm not saying

I'm physically, I'm a thousand percent with you. There's a part of my brain that goes like, yeah, but don't remember Trevor. And funny enough in life, you're the person who will force me to go outside and do things because you yourself believe in this as a concept. You'll be like, because I've watched porn quickly. You force me. And then I go, I have time. You see, if I was watching porn storylines, where would you and I be walking at the park?

Now I'm three hours and I'm waiting for the prada to come off. Too shame, my friend. What about? I mean, you wanted to win. So you won. I can't. There's nothing I can do. Don't press anything.

We've got more. What now? After this. The Avengers is the perfect allegory for the Democrats in America. Yes. Tell me more. It is like the, if you watch the movie and if you like look at like the Democrats in America, you go, to me it almost seems like somebody did it on purpose.

They went, let's make a story about people who like to see themselves as, heroes, but when they have the power, don't actually do anything with it. Yo, by the way, have you watched Digger? Not yet. Please go watch it. I will. I've heard people who have seen it are like, you got to see it. So, yeah.

That's all it needs. Okay. All right. I definitely want to see it. I was saying to Eugene, I'm tired of movies that everyone walks out of being like, that was great, wasn't it? We all just like mindless minions. Like, that was wonderful, wasn't it?

Boring. Yeah. I'm a Tom Cruise Apollos. like anything, anything. Yeah, but Digger, let me tell you something now. I'll say, number one, if he's not nominated for an Oscar, then I don't understand what Oscars are about. Really? Yeah.

Yeah. Win, I see, win is always like a quirky thing. Because Magnolia for me, I was like, he really has, he has that. Let me tell you something. Depth of a month for Digger? If he doesn't get nominated for Digger, then I don't understand what acting nominations are about. I'm excited. Okay? Yeah, that's for me.

Secondly, the movie itself. you just, when was the last time you went to a movie where you genuinely did not know what was going to happen? I love Spider-Man as much as anybody else. But there is no part of the movie where I truly believe that Peter Parker's going to die. There's none. Yeah, it's funny because I just started,

I had never watched any David Lynch anything. I just missed me, however. What does he make? Twin Peaks. He did this movie Mulholland Drive. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. He did the original Dune, the one with Kyle McLaughlin. There was an original dune?

Yeah, and I didn't know this. 80s. I didn't know this. Yeah. But he has these very like, when you watch, they're going to come to South Africa like two weeks. It's like, we just got in a theater. I can't wait to watch the second half of it. Matrix and then, yeah.

No, it was devil's advocate for sure, but carry on. Yeah, yeah. But in Twin Peaks, he talks about that of like the, you're playing with images and sound and to just do something unexpected to keep the audience on their toes. There are things where, like, some episode started and there was a dinner table and someone was in like a full, like, indigenous headdress and then someone else comes in with baguettes and they're like eating them sideways. I'm like, I genuinely don't know what the next shot of this is going to be.

And it's so, you just like, glued to it. Yeah, Digger's going to take you there. Yeah, I'm excited for them. I'm in. But there's not, yeah, because we're so used to it like paint by numbers. And that's what disappointed me is that there's not one review. This is what what bothered me actually is that there's no review that I've read that was positive. Then I go, then that's wrong.

Okay. You can't tell me if a film has 50% of the viewers, 50% going, we hated it, 50% saying we loved it. Right. And no review says it's good. Then I'm like, no, then you reviewers are all on the same bandwidth. Yeah, yeah. There's got to be one reviewer who says, nah, nah, nah. My favorite, yeah.

Forget what everyone's saying. I'll tell you why this movie's amazing. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You can't all have the same taste of a thing that the audience doesn't have the all same taste off is what I'm saying. An opposing taste at that. It's not like, it's positive.

It's like, yeah, it sucks. Yeah. That movie is good. Something, man. How far are you in Marvel, by the way, with the kids? He's doing this thing where he's introducing, you're introducing them to Marvel movies, right? Yes.

And we got through Infinity War. We got through Endgame. And now they released the whole Doomsday list of, and now it's like you have to go back to X-Men from 2000. So we watch X-Men. Yes. I don't know. put it out there like, here's all the things. I'm like, you have to call this the

doomsday preppers list. I don't know why. They're like, here are the movies you need to watch. Again, saddiversary. You've got to think of the branding. I like that. Doomsday prep list is nice. Doomsday prep list. So then we watched, we've done all of them loved Endgame. And then we saw Endgame in the theater. Because they re-released it.

You can't just out of Africa. How did you do this? Kids, you need to know. Come in the halfway point. What do you mean? They're dust. What are you talking about? Yeah. I'm so good. But no, so we did that, and then we've slowly been making our way through and trying to figure it out. But then we keep seeing these little leaks of, like, what it's going to be like, because the kids are eight and five. I'm like, I don't want to traumatize them forever if I don't know what it's going to be.

And we're not even telling them, like, who's playing Dr. Doom? No, you can't. And that almost was spoiled today for one of our kids and we're just like, oh, like, how do we keep it secret? So it's fun. What is their favorite one so far? Guardians of the Galaxy One is great. They love all the Spider-Man. I can see Guardian's being good for kids, actually.

It's very, like, goofy. And Endgame is fun because it's kind of like you go through it all, and like there are jokes in it. So they like that. Wait, Endgame is the first one or the second one? Endgame is the second one. Okay. Infinity War is the first one. Okay, cool, okay.

I always mix those. Yes. No, in my head, Endgame makes more sense for the first one. I think every time I hear that. Do you think it's the first of the two? Yeah, in my head. Because it was going to be Infinity War part one, Infinity War part two, but now then it was like endgame. Yeah, we're in the end game now, whatever.

Right, right. But it's fun. And, like, they are, it's hard to know when it's weird watching X-Men because movies didn't have to do as much then. Because there's so much backstory you get now and you get, like, the origin story. I feel like maybe it started around Batman begins or whatever. But, like, there's literally moments at X-Men where like, this is Storm. She controls the weather. And you're like, that's the whole thing.

Hallie Barry is like, hi, I'm Storm. Like, no. And it was like, not as complex. But like they obviously it's changed so much, but I'm like, oh, but it's weird for them to go back and watch it because that's, that's an old movie to them. It's 26 years ago. Yeah, that's crazy. But then you look at Hugh Jackman and you're like, he has an age. So you're like, maybe he really is Wolverine.

Because like we didn't know. He actually has fared very well. Right. Yeah. He's like more jack than he was. No, no, no. He has, he has fared really well. Yeah.

Watching them again. So I watched Endgame again the other day. I feel even like even more than before. for me the Avengers is the perfect allegory for the Democrats in America yes

tell me more it is like if you if you watch the movie and if you like look at like the Democrats in America you go this to me it almost seems like somebody did it on purpose they went let's make a story about people who like to see themselves as heroes

but when they have the power don't actually do anything with it they like to fight against the bad guy, but they do not like to do anything to prevent bad guyness from happening again. And they're always letting their own interior squabble stop them from preventing. See, there's a guy who's watched the movie. I am mad at Captain America and I'm not going to talk to him. You're like, guys, the whole movie, when you watch it now with fresh eyes and not surprise, the whole movie is a group of heroes who are not doing the thing that they need to do before it happens. We're not being heroes. Because they go, yo, we need to break your stone.

Then he's like, no, it's my stone. Yeah. I don't want to break. the stone. They're like, yo, bro, you got to just break the stone so that the guy can't kill the universe or do whatever with the universe. And he's like, no, it's my stone. Even when he sees how strong the dude is, he's still like, no, it's my stone. Same with Wanda. And vision. Vision goes, no one in Wakanda was like, come on. Guys, vision goes like, break the stone. He's like, I'm a robot. Just break the stone. And she's like, no, I'm not going to lose you. He's like, the universe might die. She's like, I don't care. One, ah, guys, I thought you liked romance. Guys, one.

One person. Okay, so if she breaks the stone from, is it that weird guy who looks like a sex toy? You know, if you keep watching very well into the plot. Is it him? Eventually, yes, yes, yes. That's the guy. So he has it over here.

Yes. So he says to her, so she's in a relationship with him. Yes. Yes. So he says, no, take this thing out. Destroy it. You have the power to destroy it. Kill me.

Yes. But then she says, no, I can't kill you. And then why can't he do? do it himself? He doesn't have the power. To take it out of his own head. No, he doesn't have the power to destroy it. Because even if you take it out of your head, you have to destroy the stone.

Maybe the deeper question we should ask is, why was he so desperate to get out of that relationship? He didn't risk his own life. No, seriously, kill me. No, but for real. He was the AI in Wakanda? Couldn't you have chimed it at that moment? Like, ah, just do it. It's fine. I wasn't in any of those movies. But in Black Panther. Technically, you're in the

universe. Yeah, yeah, but I didn't. I wish I could have just said, I think Ryan Cugler would have cut me out if I was just randomly like, by the way, guys, let's go get rid of the stones. No. Like, they could have gotten rid of the stone. They could have gotten rid of it with, they could have gotten rid of visions one. They had so many chances. Chris Pratt at some point when they've got Thanos, then he like deviates from the plan because he has his own interrogation that he wants to go.

Where's my girlfriend? Where's my girlfriend? You're like, is this the time, my friend? Is this the time? No, no, go ahead, go ahead. No, I feel like that's the point of the two trilogies. they're not willing to sacrifice anything to prevent it from happening. Okay.

They're like, I'm not going to sacrifice vision. I'm not going to sacrifice the time. So I'm not going to do it. And Thanos is like, man, I love my daughter. And there she goes. And so he's like, oh, I did sacrifice something. And he loves her so that he gets it. And then he's able to do that.

In endgame, spoiler, if anyone has it for the, but if it's not released in your country yet, then they are with, they have to sacrifice Natasha. So they have to do it, and they're willing to sacrifice things, and they're willing to go back and sacrifice things. So this is why I say it's a perfect, you know why it's a perfect analogy for like the Democrats or the Democratic establishment as it exists now?

Because they failed. They're more than happy. Yeah, they're more than happy to fail. Yes. And then fight back just to get back to the way things were. Think about how unimaginative this group of people is. Thanos gets the stones. And he goes, I'm going to snap my fingers

and create a universe that is like this. I'm going to get rid of half things. the people, this is what I'm going to do, this is what I'm doing with my power, right? They get the stones and then they go, we're just going to snap things back to the way they were exactly. But four years with the time delay. Yeah, but still, you're just going to snap it back to the way things were. So they snapped it back to how things were. Yes, yes. Why? But that's my point. That's exactly what I'm saying. At least Thanos had a vision of being a subsistence farmer. My friend, you're on the same page. Him and I fight about this because I say Thanos was actually

the good guy in the movie. I've been, but he disagrees. Good guy. Yeah, he was. Yes, he was. Good guy. You think so too?

Yeah, I love this. Why is he the good guy? Again, I'm going to clarify the statement. Clarify. I do not agree with any of his actions. Sure. I do not agree with how he was going to do what he was going to do. I do not agree with anything he was going to do.

Oh, wow. However. Thanos is the anthem. I know which one is. However, I will say this. I will say this. Tell us. Thanos.

Thanos. in my opinion, I go, this guy was the good guy. Good guy. Let me tell you why. It's just that we're not told the story from his perspective. So immediately we're biased against him. Okay, we're not told it from his perspective. They also make him look ugly to us.

So we go, he must be the bad guy. Because he looks ugly and his people around him are ugly to us. So we assume. Yeah, but Hulk is ugly too. No, no, no, no. They give him glasses. They make him cute. No, not in that first one.

They give him the cute pants. Not in the first one. Yeah, but Hulk is like they're like... Hulk is still human. Yes. Yeah, yeah. That's Hulk is the ugly side of Banner. Yes.

But like when she comes and like, grab his face, is Bruce, Bruce, Bruce. And there's like, oh, cute Hulk. Yeah. So we think of Thanos as being bad because he's not traditionally good looking. Pretty privileged. Yeah. He doesn't have pretty privilege. And because we're not told the story from his perspective.

Yeah. Okay. The Avengers on the other hand. The Avengers. Entitled bunch. Thank you, Eugene. Go around breaking shit, never fixing things, just delete... Guys, Iron Man, let's just talk about one of these heroes.

Just one. Wait, just one. Just one, Devin. This guy has how many Iron Man's that we don't know about until he decides to release them at like some random point of a fight where he's like, okay, guys, puk, p, p, p, p, p, p, p, p, p, p, p, p, p, p, p, p, and they're all autonomous. Dude, you could have told us this at the beginning. Thank you.

You could have led with that. These things could have been building low-cost housing. These things could have been out there. helping people in floods. No, you kept them in your basement. And then only when you were like, okay, okay, okay, I don't want to lose this fight. Now I release them.

And you still get fucked up. Thank you. But so then, but I don't think that makes Thanos the good guy. I think that could be like the Avengers are bad or morally complicated or whatever. So why isn't he morally complicated? Why is he the bad guy? Yeah.

Well, because he killed, I mean, to quote Dr. Banner, killed Trillions. He didn't kill anyone. No, killed. They're not there anymore. Come on. They're not there anymore.

They're not there. What is that mean? Devon, they're not there anymore. He didn't mask up. He didn't have a private jet. He didn't have a fighter jet. But the effect is the same. No, no, no, no.

That's like saying condoms are responsible for mass murder. The effect is the same. My friend is back. The effect is the same. I feel like you've used that line before. No. What, I'm going to be a mass murderer. No.

He's got twinkling in his eye. But that's pure inspiration. No, you can't say that. Wow. You can't say the effect is going to be the same. Because then time is a murderer. What you just did was this. Is time the greatest murderer of all time then?

But time doesn't have agency in it. Time is just time. You say that until we meet father time. And then you're like, oh, you've been doing this to us the whole time. That's fair. I could have spent more time with my grandmother than he's like, not if I can't do anything.

No. He might have what in his mind is a noble aim, but it's a bad. Which is all heroes. Yes. And but also all villains. Every villain has an aim that they think is noble. No, a good villain.

Yes. That's something we agree. Like, I think we've experienced, I know this is a bit of a tangent. I think one of the things that's hurting society, and I actually wish this for kids, Hollywood needs to make better villains so that kids don't grow up thinking that the world is as simple as good and bad. Yeah. Yes. You want to grow up going, damn, the bad guy was the good guy.

Like we've always talked about with Black Panther. you can't just say that Michael B. Jordan's character is the bad guy. Because everything he's fighting for is good. He's saying, why is Wakanda not helping every black person all over the world? Why are they hiding when they know that black people need their help? They've got this perfect paradise and they're not expanding it. They're not rescuing people. It's the same thing you're talking about with Tony Stark.

They're not helping the problem. They're not, right? So you can't just say he's the, that's why to me he's a good villain because he's the because he's being told from our perspective, but he's not just like a plane like, I'm going to blow up the world. But you get Kilmonger's perspective pretty early in the movie when you see that he's the kid

and what happens to his dad. But now, you see, good point. That is why we do not care for Thanos because they just don't give us a lot of his kid's story. Here's, all right, because I've been thinking about this. Here's what I'll say about Thanos. Because why can't he snap things? Like, okay, I'm going to solve the resource problems with a snap.

I'm going to use the stones to do that. Right? But why can't he do that? because now he has the ultimate power. So I think the mistake you're making is you're seeing somebody who has a plan and they're doing it and then you're asking why don't they do it another way? This was their plan.

This is what people did with Bigger, by the way. Because it would cause less pain for other people. This is what the reviewers of Digger did. Really? Yeah, a lot of the reviews are, this movie could have been great, but why didn't it go this way? That's not a review.

Yeah. No, that's fair, but it's why I can... It's an alternate ending. Thank you. He's doing a bad thing. I can pass judgment on the tactics that he's using to achieve his ends. Let me, okay, can I tell you.

I'll paint with a broader brush. James Bond put him in that same category. You know how many things James Bond could have prevented if he just was less worried about bumping people in a crowd? Yeah, that's fair. This person is running away with like a pathogen that could kill the world's population and you're worried that you're going to hit like three people with your motorbike.

A stolen motorbike at that. Okay. So what I'm saying is, to your point, I'm saying, you see, coming back to the Democrats of it all, they're more worried about the appearance of being a good guyness in this moment and a kumbaya vibe

than they are in getting the thing done. You know what I mean? That's why now people are like, why is Mamdani popular and why are these people? Then you're like, no, in general in the world, I think it's because people are going, we want to see people do things or not do things. Yes, results orienting.

Don't make it just about like the idea. idea of doing things. Yeah. You want to be a good guy, but you're not... Or like bureaucratic loopholes or whatever. Yeah, but you're not doing anything. Don't pretend to be busy. Yeah, just, okay, do things or don't do things.

And that's what I mean with the Avengers and all of them is I go, you guys were not doers. Then, by the way, you come in and then you break all, because now you feel like it. Which means they break? You come in, they come in and chop Thanos's head off. The guy didn't even fight them. Yeah, that was not cool, though. The guy didn't fight them at all. Yeah.

Well, he didn't have, he couldn't have stones, the power to do it. What do you mean? but I still had his bare hands When they come in, yeah No, he just So, but he kind of gave up He destroyed the stones With the second snap

Yes Now that is a very altruistic thing Here's what I will say Wait, wait, he destroys the stones That's a man who's like I'm not interested in just having this for no reason Yeah Stone's gone

Now I'm gonna do farming Okay, farm to table Very good thing by the way Subsistence farming They come in, they've got him He puts up no fight They chop off his head What kind of justice system is this Devin?

Wait, And so they went to Shangri-la and then found him hanging out, having kombucha, and then what happened? They just drop of his head. Who walked in? Well, Thor did it. It sounds like a Thor thing. They all come in. But then Thor, because he's blaming himself for what happened previously, he just chops off his head.

No questions. No questions. They've got him. They've got Thanos. Then they just kill him. But they didn't have to kill him then. So what does killing himself? No, they didn't have to kill him.

It doesn't. That's my point. Revenge, yes. That's my point. How can I go? Is everyone come back? Do you don't have to? I'm not saying you have to call anybody a good guy.

I'm saying Thanos is a bad guy. Kevin. Here's wait. Let me allow me to retort this. Then who's the good guy? I'm not, I don't have to deal at the binaries. But however, however, here's Thanos. Let's say you are of that opinion.

Thanos is so lazy. He has a problem that he wants to solve. The universe has a problem. Overpopulated. Let's go with this. The universe. Yes. Because he said, I've been to countless worlds.

Remember, he's done research and he's traveled. Yes. He spent however long. Most of our heroes have never even left their planet. They don't even have intergalactic passports. He has this plan to do this. I'm going to get all of the stones. And then as soon as I get the stones, I have my retirement house, guys.

I want to go to my, I got this farm. He wants to retire that quickly when he can travel anywhere. He could do anything. He can control any reality. Yeah. But the minute you get the stones, he's not choosing to do anything worthwhile with the stones. This is a criticism I can accept.

He gets it. Immediatelyly is just like, oh, thank God, it's over. As soon as he gets it. You want to retire at your crime like Steve Kerry? Yes, he wants to retire. Do you want to retire when you, like Mick Jagger? In fact, I'll even say this, Thanos to me, as an African, that appealed to me because I went, I've seen many African leaders go,

when I get the stones, I'm just going to do this. Yes. And then they go, hmm, this is nice. Maybe I'll stay around, snap. my fingers a bit more. And the next thing you know, we end up with Mugabe's and Gaddafi's. But when they started, it was amazing. So I think Thanos also maybe went, it's not about retiring.

He went, he says, this is too much power. Is that why he had to get the stones in Africa? Because that was the metaphor. That he had to be in Wakanda. He was like, no, I think the metaphor was because the heroes didn't do anything. You know who died more than anyone else in that movie? Wakandans. Yes.

Like people died? yo, there's no more death in that movie than in Wakanda. They didn't get snapped back either. Nothing. My man? Obliterated. Yeah. Wait, so at the end, he doesn't snap any.

So. Wakandans, or as you call them, the bad guys. Just say. No. So when the Democrats come there and chop Dennis's head off. Yes. Where's that glove, where the stone? The stones are dead.

Now they have to go to another universe to get the stones. Yes. To bring back everyone as they were. Yes. then they make beef with. And then you see to another point, they don't even take into consideration the effects because it's been years now.

And then what do they do? They inflict another mass trauma on the world because now, and you'll love this part of the story, they snap people back. There's people who've moved on. They're in new relationships. They're married. The next thing you're...

It's in the story, by the way. I'm not making the stuff. No, no. Devin, you know? Yes. It's in the story. And Devin just walks back in after he's been stepped out. They come back four years later. So they haven't changed their age.

hasn't changed but you come back like nothing happened you it's like a second in your world yeah but now your family has moved four years in they're like the matrix but then Titanic is back in theaters next to it all of the sudden you know they were three years apart and now people are going I've married I've moved on I've falling in love you have never snapped them back there's parents there's children there's kids who are now older than their siblings who are younger than

it's like this whole weird yo bro but they're alive like oh now I'm older it's like who cares and that is a simple my birthday is different. That is a simple way they did. Yes. Or they were not just, they were just not there. They were just not there. There was not massacre. People's heads were not chopped off.

But they would have effectively been dead. No, remember, they don't remember that they were not even there. Yes. They were not there. You've added double pain to the world. But then didn't, didn't Thanos fail? Isn't he a, but again, he had the stones. I'm just saying, man.

They just ceased to exist. If he had kept them, he could have. prevented. If he is the good guy, he's a bad... I think flawed. I'm with you 100%. Flawed, I'll take any day. And I don't think anyone is perfect in this world. I don't. But I do think when you watch that movie, you are cheering for the wrong good guy. That's why I think it is the greatest Marvel movie. You are saying the Wakandans were the bad guys. No. Black Panther was a bad guy.

But you said the Avengers are the bad guys. The Avengers are the bad guys. Then why aren't the Wakandans the bad guys? Because the Wakandans are not in the Avengers. Because they're black. Black Panthers. No, no, no. So then you can talk about him alone. Is he a bad guy?

Tichala alone. Is he a bad guy in that? Did he have any moment in the story where he could have destroyed the stones? No, he didn't. He didn't have an opportunity. He could have been like vision. No, we're doing this. We're destroying it.

You're going to tell the white lady that you're killing her husband. You think as a black man. She starts filming it with her phone. She's going to pull out her phone, pull 911 on Tchala. All of a sudden, the movie takes a weird turn. Woo! Wait, wait, it's not what you think. It's not what you...

I've been filming him. There's a problem here. All of a sudden, that headquarters get swatted. For a live stream. Now the Wakanda's a live stream. Ah, yeah, yeah. Oh, man. No, you guys made me realize I've only watched the movies and snippets.

You got to watch them. I remember the big fight. Yeah. You watch them on Porn Hub. Yeah, that's all I've watched. I can't go for a high, Trevor. That's all I've watched. Like, I just...

I just remember the scene where they fight. A good guy or bad guy, it doesn't matter. They're fighting him in the rubble. Yeah. Spider-Man and they're holding his hand. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember the part where the X almost chops him off and it's a shape for the head. Yeah, I remember that part.

I remember him coming out with his armor as a scarecrow. Yeah. I've never watched the movie in food. In the retirement, his retirement community. Genuinely, man, that's another one. I feel like that movie should have been nominated for an Oscar. Not just like graphics or- I just think like that world couldn't comprehend doing something like that.

But in terms of a story, in terms of the visual effects, in terms of everything, that was, forget superhero movie or not. That was an epic on the scale of like Odysseus and. And it was like the last before COVID too. My goodness. Because I remember during, people would watch it. And that's why I wanted to take my kids to see it in the theaters. Like you've got to experience this in a room with other people. Yes.

Not with Kabuka. People left. crying. Do you know how hard it is to make people feel like that in a movie? People left the cinema silent in tears. You hear sobbing. I was like, wow, what an emotional thing to create. That's to me, not to be, you know, too pompous, but like art, man. You go like, you've made people feel something. It wasn't just about munching popcorn. It really just like, oh. I remember during COVID watching the YouTube clips of people seeing those scenes. the theaters and cheering or whatever.

And if you watch it, it has, like, because it's something we would deal with at the shows, like, or whatever is, like, what is the audience doing in that moment? Yeah. And it is a movie made for a live audience to be watching. They're like, hold for applause, wait, this thing comes. Like, it has the rhythm of waiting, like, letting people do that, which is, you don't necessarily always see that in a blockbuster movie. They're anticipating what the crowd is going to be doing in that moment, which is, like,

why it hits that way. Too special. We're going to do it. Doomsday next. Me and you. We've got a long list, buddy. We've got to get through it. We've got a long list.

There's a weekend leak. We've got a long list, me and you, buddy. We've been watching the, like, the little leaks about Dooms Day or whatever. I'm like, because the kids are like eight years old and five years old. And so my wife sent me a thing because we've seen like, it's a blood bath or whatever. Like, we don't know what to believe or whatever. But if you watch all the X-Men movies, here's the thing. If you look at the prep list, it's like X-Men, X-Men, X-Men, too.

And then it's like X-Men. like Dr. Strange in the multiverse of madness, which is pretty violent, then Deadpool versus Wolverine, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard are. Like, I can't show any of that to the kids. So I'm like, you have to watch that, have to get ready for doomsday.

So I'm like, that's, like, that's a barrier. I don't know that that's true. Maybe, maybe not, but that's what's in there for, like, Deadpool or Wolverine or the time. Here's what I found. So my wife sends me this thing. Now that we're in that, we're like, okay, we're on the lookout for anything.

And someone did, like, she sent me a post that was like, Spider-Man has his neck broken. And that's why he can't be in. And it's like, oh, kids can't watch Spider-Man get his neck broken. I'm like, is this real? So then I click on the account and I go over at the pinned post is the Avengers Doomsday will show Hulk's penis in the beginning of the movie. I'm like, I don't think this is the real one. However, that's exactly why I send stuff like this to Trevor. He's always there to tell me, they're lying to you.

Yeah. But it would be a porn with the story. Oh, man, Dee, this was fun, man. This was a good time. Oh, this was too dope. Oh, man. Oh, God. This was too much fun.

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