What's Your Drama - Free Breasts & Third Wheeling

Episode Date: July 30, 2020

We start this week's podcast like most days and that's with a COVID rant. This time around though, I share my personal adventure on getting tested. As you can imagine, this was not ideal for me. In fact, going to get a COVID test was and is the riskiest thing I've done since lockdown. (Lainey: also, the story builds to something… hang in there for the payoff.) Enough about me, it's time for YOUR drama!  Our first letter is from “Taylor” who is so over hearing about the toxic ins and outs of her friend “Selena” and her relationship with “Justin”. Yes, this might as well be a letter from Taylor Swift about Selena Gomez and Justin Bieber.Then, we get to “R”. He writes in because he wants to make sure he's reading his current friendship situation right. I'm sure a lot of us have all been in R's position so if you have any good advice for him let me know and I'll pass it along.Finally we end on “M” who wants to know if going braless to pick up her kids is a societal no-no. Which of course leads to Lainey flashing me over FaceTime.  We hope you enjoy the show and keep sending me all your DRAMA! Send your advice questions my way at [e-mail]. We also love hearing from you on Twitter at @sasha_tong and @laineygossip and Instagram at @lostandfoundapothecary and @laineygossip. And of course subscribe wherever you get your podcasts, and make sure to leave feedback and comments because it helps others find our show!   Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

He's like, oh, I think there's a plastic bag in there. I jimmied a plastic bag. I found a towel. So I had the cardboard box, a towel, and a plastic bag. And I fucking pissed for what felt like five minutes into a plastic bag in the backseat of my husband's car. voice talks about your brand, it doesn't sound like advertising. It sounds like a recommendation from a friend. Acast gives you that trust at scale, digital precision, post-read authenticity,

and performance data that proves it worked. Don't fight for attention. Buy it with Acast. Learn more by visiting acast.com slash advertise. Hi, I'm Lainey, TV reporter, talk show host, and founder of LaineyGossip.com. And I'm Sasha, television producer and fashion reporter on LaineyGossip.com. This is a show where we get right up in your business. This is What's Your Drama? Well, you know. How are you?

I'm not great. my hands are sweating okay well as you know for the last what four five months on this podcast all we've been talking about are open has been COVID um and so I will share my non-COVID COVID story um with everybody because I mean what else do we have to do and everyone's been on the ride with us but so on Friday today we are recording on Wednesday the day before the podcast goes out So Friday night, right before I go to bed, I have some green tea, I've smoked some weed and I go to bed like no big deal. Somehow during Friday night, I wake up in the middle of night and my fucking stomach

hurts so much. Like I'm talking cramps and like I've never had trapped gas, but I think that that's what it was because it was just like moving around and it was just twisting all night. Yeah. I hate that. Oh, so you had that? I have it a little bit right now. I like I have it a little bit right now but not to the extent that you have yeah I've never had

that I've never had a stomach ache that keeps me up all night so Saturday rolls around I am like in pain and also so sad because when I don't get sleep I'm not like you I don't feel rejuvenated I feel like I fucking want to dig a hole and cry right um and so we were going to meet later on that evening so Saturday rolls around and I still my stomach just feels like fucking bad and then all of a sudden the shits come going to the bathroom going to the bathroom going to the bathroom I come and see you on Saturday I have to leave within an hour because my stomach hurts and to be clear we were in a backyard with with friends oh yeah all of us sitting six feet apart I was sitting and there were no more than there was how many of us six yeah and I was sitting

about 25 feet away from you right we were honest to god friends backyard yeah yes um then Sunday rolls around, still fucking Ria D running to the fucking bathroom constantly. Monday, running to the bathroom. Today's, oh my God, Tuesday, running to the bathroom. So Tuesday, oh, sorry, Monday night, I'm like, this is a little bit unreal. Like, why the fuck do I, like, did I drink too much green tea? Is that even a thing? Anyway, email my doctor and she goes, you know what? I think you need a COVID test. Literally everything in me, as you know, is, it turns into anxiety mush. I'm still sweating with anxiety mush because yesterday, uh, which was Tuesday, I was like, yeah, wavering. Do I take the COVID test? Do I not? Like why? Like I knew that GI

issues can be a symptom of COVID, but I'm like, lady, you know me and hold anyone who's listening to this podcast. I don't leave my fucking house. And when I say that, I'm not exaggerating. I get my food delivered. I get my medicines delivered, everything. I do not leave this house. And when I do. I see people from a fucking distance and it's always outside. I am nowhere near people. So I was like, do I really, do I really need the test? And then I thought, you know what? Like to be a good person, I need to make sure that it is not. So Corey and I go to the drive through. There's a drive through COVID testing place. That's like half an hour away from us. If you're in Toronto, it's in Etobicoke. I don't know if I would suggest it because we were fucking there

for three and a half hours right can you imagine being trapped in your car for three and a half hours keep in mind when there's somebody who is me shitting herself every fucking half an hour and there's fucking porta potties and i'm sure shit not fucking using the porta potties that fucking yeah like three and a half hours worth of people are using like fuck that and you and you went to the drive-thru because because there are other testing centers but you didn't want to like I don't even want to walk in the standing line and yeah I did not I thought that would be the safest thing to do yeah um anyway cut to the fact that uh I don't know what I I took the test they did a swab they did have you done one yet okay so the nasal swab literally goes to like your brain

as everyone says I heard because Amy told me like she felt like her brain got poked yeah it does feel like that it also feels I was trying to figure out what it was but it feels like you jump into like a chlorinated pool it's like that weird you know that chlorine yeah like it just feels like it just chlorine pinches all the way up to your brain anyway um all that to say it was fine and whatever but it is stressful and it is hardcore waiting in a fucking lineup for three and a half hours and every move forward you're just anticipating like potentially the worst news ever. I don't know if I have COVID or not. I pray to God I don't. But this is just a reminder to everyone that GI symptoms are a symptom of COVID. So if you were like, why do I have the runs? Or

like go get tested because it's super important. And I would also say to find yourself, like this is what I've just learned over the last few days, is to really find yourself someone outside of your doctor. Because all my doctor did was like, go get a COVID test. And that doesn't help you in the interim when you're like really paranoid and you're like, well, what can I do with these symptoms? And like, I have an amazing naturopath. Her name's Christina Gordon. If anyone needs a naturopath in Canada or outside of Canada, she's fucking the shit. But you need to find someone else to help you through this or you'll spiral. And I'm already spiraling. I'm so anxious for tomorrow. I check that website all the time to see what my results are, even though I know they

won't come in until tomorrow. And it's a really anxious, it's really, it's a really anxious time. And to think that you have the possibility of having it is, it's kind of like my worst nightmare. But I don't know. If I have it, everyone else is fucking doomed because there is no way you could be more sanitized and more vigilant than me. Truly. Would you not be blown away? Right. And yet, if you do have it, like, we're doing the podcast.

So, you know, it doesn't have to be fatal. No, like you'll just, I've just been going to the bathroom every fucking eight and a half minutes. Yeah. I mean, it's shitty literally for you if you have it. I don't think you do. Like it's, that would be crazy if you had it since again, as we've said, you are, I mean, you're the most vigilant person I know.

Like, I mean, I've been pretty good too, but not to your extent. I mean, I go play golf. You don't even do that. You don't go outdoors. Barely. Barely. Well, you have. I mean, we just said that we had like an outdoor visit.

Maybe every two weeks. You walk two blocks to your, from, you basically walk two blocks from your house to have an outdoor visit the other day. I don't even walk. I drive or I get driven. Oh, right. That is like, I'm telling you the level of insanity. But I'll tell you what is, what was the funniest shit waiting for that fucking test is as soon

as we rolled up, they were like two hour wait, even though it was three and a half hour wait, two hour wait. And as soon as we stopped, I was like, I have to fucking piss so bad. there's no way in hell because you have a small bladder too right oh yeah so at three hour mark right when I can see the tent where we're getting the COVID test I say to Corey I'm like fuck I have to piss so bad like I can't he's like Sasha just wait we're so close I was like no I look in the back seat there's a fucking cardboard box and I'm like come on yeah cardboard box and then he's like oh I think there's a plastic bag in there I fucking jimmied a plastic bag I found a towel

so I had the cardboard box a towel and a fucking plastic bag and I fucking pissed for what felt like five minutes into a plastic bag in the back seat of my husband's car so that's that was something like and it was so great because then I almost was like I just fucking love Corey didn't even care was like you're good great like fucking make sure you tie that shit up I but you know there I was worried that that would scar Corey I did too I totally did too. The fact that I was squatting like five centimeters away from him in a fucking cardboard box into a Loblaws bag and, um, was like, great. I felt so much better, but it made me feel that three and a half hours brought Corey and I closer. Cause like you're stuck in a car,

both having anxiety attacks and also needing to release yourself in the backseat. I think you're going to be fine. Please. Um, but I understand how, how you in particular are the most anxious about this. I really hope this GI thing clears up for you soon so that you can go back to not having to have liquid come out of your ass. I really don't want to pee out of my butt anymore. But again, GI issues, if you have them, don't just be like, whatever, like see how they go, get them tested, talk to your doctor, but also find someone else to advocate for your health. For me, that was my naturopath. I hope that you guys also have that sort of support system in your life as well. All right. Are we ready to get into the questions? Yes. Distract me.

You need to get out of your own head, right? Yes. Okay. All right. First question. Hi, Sasha and Lainey. Sorry if this is super long, but I need help. Around the time I met one of my best friends, let's call her Selena, she started dating her then boyfriend, Justin. Yep. I love this. I quickly realized that these two were very toxic together. I've spent many, many hours with Selena talking, crying, and raging over Justin and his behavior. There are many stories, but to make this shorter, it can just be said that they have been on

and off for the last four years. Selena has developed some pretty serious mental health challenges because of him and is noticeably miserable when he's back in the picture. From my perspective, Justin has been mentally and emotionally abusive. gaslighting Selena at every chance he gets. When they're off, she claims she hates him, mocks his life choices and talks a lot of crap only to casually mention that they're back together by dropping it into the middle of the sentence like it means nothing. I'll also mention that I don't think it's completely one way. Obviously this relationship is unhealthy for both of these

individuals. They bring out the worst in each other and I don't remember the last time they went longer than three days without a massive blowout. I love Selena and I will always be there from my friends no matter what, no matter how they've messed up. And for the first few years of this relationship, I was right there giving advice, staying quiet and comforting Selena when she needed it, bashing Justin. I am an empath and I really did feel the pain that Selena was experiencing, the clear anxiety and depression this man was causing. This obviously shaped my opinion on Justin and their relationship as well. Every time they got back together, I understood it less and less. I get how love can be complicated and confusing, but it should never be as abusive

and sad as what I witnessed. Selena eventually stopped bringing every detail to me. I had given all the advice I had and it wasn't going to change. Neither of them had undergone any serious development, so it wasn't as though the relationship had either. But recently, Selena has started to bring me stories again, mentioning him, complaining about him, gossiping about him. It's been four years of this nonsense. I am tired of this relationship and I know Selena knows exactly how I feel about this guy. I love drama, but this is too much. I don't want to hear about it anymore. How can I tell Selena to stop talking to me about him? Is there any way to do this gently? She's been known in the past to react poorly to people letting her down. I don't want to

ruin my relationship with Selena, but I am tired. Do you think I should just be quiet and mind my own business? Am I a bad friend for not caring anymore? If it helps, we are all in our early 20s. Please help. You can call me Taylor. Well, she fucking really painted a picture of probably what did happen between Selena, Justin, and Taylor. Oh, yeah. Okay. So I think both of us have had experiences with a friend who is in a super toxic relationship. Yes. I don't know that it lasted four years. I'm trying to think about my friend, but we've been here, right? We've been Taylor, so to speak. We have been Taylor through and through. Okay. I mean, I just sort of want to empathize with Taylor for a bit because God, that shit is so fucking exhausting because you just

keep on doling out the same goddamn advice and then they pretend to take it for a hot second and then they just do the goddamn opposite. And it's frustrating. It's frustrating. I will say that for me, what I did was I was super blunt and said, I love you. I will be here for you always.

But I will not be here to hear the stories. I've said what I've had to say. Like I have nothing else to tell you. You now have to make those decisions for yourself. And I actually have a friend who recently was talking to me about, um, her, uh, relationship with her partner, um, and how it took a really bad turn, a lot of emotional abuse. Um, and then within weeks they got back together and it was so jarring to hear about the emotional abuse and then how quickly she was able

to be like, but we're back together. And I told her, I was like, you know, if I could throw hot water in his face fucking right now I would but at the end of the day it's up to you you have like you have to make the decisions for yourself so I support you in whatever decisions I might not agree with them but I support you and that's kind of what you have to play you have to play that kind of gray area that middle ground because you want to still support your friend and be there for them and they know that you're there for them but that doesn't mean that you have to fucking cheerlead a fucking broken, toxic relationship. I mean, I don't know exactly what Taylor is asking here. Like, I don't know that the approach is to put your hand up and be

like, uh, I'm out. No, but it's still, as you said, but if her friends bringing up like, oh, fucking Justin, what do you say? You sit there and listen? Or you say, dude, Selena, I can't anymore. Or you, yeah, exactly. You say, dude, Selena, this is not good for you. And I'm going to be here for you no matter what, when this ends badly. But this is, I mean, you just kind of say you stick to that party line. You know what I mean? Like there are things to say where you, because Taylor says she's an empath. And so you can be like, I, you can be like, I understand you're frustrated. You don't need all the details. You just need to be like, I need to reiterate, great, this is toxic for you. This is not good for you. I know that you're not ready to leave

and end it. When you are, I'll always be there for you. But we can't be like in a granular way going through this over and over again. Right. Yeah. And is that the script? I feel like that's the script. You stick to those few sentences and you just keep on repeating that until she realizes that you won't give her what she's looking for, which is some sort of twist that she should be with him you know like if you just keep to that script I think that she'll get the hint she'll either find someone else or she'll be able to figure this out on her own yeah and that's what also they let me just say they're in their early 20s mid-20s I think she said um yeah somewhere 20 it was we are in our early 20s so if they've been together if they've been together four years

This is, it's such an interesting, confusing, uncertain, and also formative part of your life too. Let's call it, if they're in their early twenties, let's call it about 22, 23, four years, meaning that they've been together, what, since 17, 18, 19-ish, right? And at a certain point, like it also stunts growth big time. And so when someone like this keeps bringing issues and keeps wanting to talk over it, like over, like talk through it over and over again, it's almost like they, um, how do I, how do I put this? It's, it's, it's talking for just the sake of talking. it's like they have nothing else to talk about right right yeah because this relationship in these formative years has literally defined her and that's what's really sad here that's the

tragedy is that selena has been completely her entire life has been defined or so far at least you know for the four years but during this incredibly important period of time has been defined by this relationship. So I also want Taylor to have that perspective that one of the reasons why Selena keeps wanting to talk about it over and over again and on and on is because she hasn't, because of this relationship, had an opportunity to explore anything else that's interesting and different in life. Her identity is intertwined in this relationship. That's right. We all, like, as we are older than early 20s, we saw that all the time. My friends did that.

Like, there were just a good chunk of girls who really ruined a lot of their life being with someone because they lost themselves in a dangerous relationship. So, yeah, like, I think that's where you have to keep, Taylor, your empathy still going is, like, she's not doing it to bug you or to annoy you. She's doing it because she's quite helpless, actually. Yeah. So, yeah, I think… What else does she have going on? Nothing. When something like this takes over your entire life, you don't develop other interests,

let alone not, like, you know, meeting other people, but, like, what are your interests? What are the things that you are curious about? Totally. You know, I think that… And in that respect, I think it's really, really sad. And, of course, Taylor knows this, and obviously, I have no doubt you'll continue to be empathetic, But if you do want to engage Selena in any kinds of conversations, one of the ways to engage her might be like, what else do you have?

I'm worried because like sometimes suddenly 23 can be 33. Oh, 43, 53. Yes. A hundred percent. You look back and you're like, I've had only damaged relationships. I don't know who the fuck I am. Um, so Taylor, good luck, but, um, know that, you know, Taylor's also kind of a caregiver in this situation and, you know, caregivers need a little bit of like

some people to think about them too, you know, like how taxing you, a tax you pay as a caregiver. Totally. for your own brand or organization? Well, it's easier than you think. We're ACAST, and we give you the platform to do it all yourself. Browse thousands of popular podcasts, choose the shows that match your perfect audience,

set your budget, and launch. And if you want a hand, our podcast specialists are there to help you launch with confidence. This is podcast advertising without barriers. Get started at acast.com slash advertise. Okay, next. Dear Sasha and Lainey, I'm a longtime male listener to your podcasts and enjoy the straightforward, no-nonsense advice you dole out, and I'm in need of some of that tough love.

I have a longtime female best friend who went through a messy divorce. She eventually started working at my current workplace and things were great for a couple of years. We enjoyed hanging out and being able to talk about anything and everything. No romantic feelings on either side and genuinely enjoyed each other's company. Fast forward to the COVID-19 pandemic and she started going out with a colleague at work, which is where things started to get weird. While the guy seems to be nice

and understanding about the friendship, according to her, it feels to me like he definitely doesn't appreciate it. Whenever the three of us hang out, I feel like the third wheel. I probably am. Even though she claims that things are normal and nothing has changed,

I can't help but feel that things have changed. It is little things like not replying to texts or abruptly leaving in the middle of a conversation or being deliberately vague when talking about plans for the weekend. It seems like she only messages or talks to me when the new boyfriend is busy or at work and they're not hanging out. I'm happy for her since she had to go through a lot of shit over the past few years and she deserves to be happy, which she is with this new guy. However, I don't want to be the clueless guy that can't take a hint and ends up being the awkward hanger on. Should I just slowly ease off and extricate myself from the situation and

appreciate the time that we did spend together and settle for hanging out very occasionally. I've considered the fact that this might be jealousy of the new relationship and us not hanging out as much, but I don't think so. In the past, if male friends acted like this, I would have just cut them out and moved on. But as I get older, I am more appreciative, desperate of hanging on to genuine… That was his words, not mine. I'm more appreciative, desperate of hanging on to genuine friendships as they're not easy to come by. I would appreciate a female take on this as this is not something I can talk to my other friends about yours faithfully are are I love this letter thanks for thanks for writing um I love this letter too don't you

because you can so much I love you I love you I'm so happy you're out there I feel like a lot of our male listeners um I don't know how many we have but whenever they write in they're the best questions they really really are they show up with the best questions i mean listen r's friend is juggling haven't you just had to juggle like where you're like i'm in a new relationship i'm gonna keep on i'm gonna be a really good friend i'm gonna pretend that i can do this and yeah it doesn't work and r i'm so sad to tell you because you said you wanted straight talk but like your friend is gonna go away for a bit she's gonna go away for a bit she's gonna phantom she's gonna ghost you but she will come back if you guys really are like true really good friends she

just needs this time to fuck her boyfriend a lot to love on her boyfriend a lot and be with her boyfriend like they're fucking zipped together and then she'll fucking be annoyed by him and we'll need a break and then the rest of your relationship as you knew it before will continue yeah right like that that's literally like the gameplay for anybody who has a really good friend who starts dating somebody. You know what? I think that, yeah, I, I, I don't know that I have anything to add to that because that's exactly what the situation is. But what I do want to say to R is I really love that R is so in touch with his feelings. Like, and, and to, I don't know, you know, in friendships, it doesn't always have to be dramatic. Like the last question we had

Selena, Justin, and Taylor. Sometimes these are just the weird and awkward, but not scandalous, not sensational places that we find ourselves in with friendships that even when you speak it out loud, you're like, is this really a big deal? I don't know. I'm not sure. And R is like just putting that all on the table and being like, is this a big deal? I don't know. What am I feeling? The fact of the matter is, R, you're feeling something. And for you to acknowledge it and to explore it and to be like, just tell me like what is happening. I think that's the gray space in so many friendships that, um, that make friendships sometimes more fascinating than romantic relationships. This is like really weird. The dance. It's a weird dance. I know.

It's fascinating. You're right. And so our, our, I, I just, I really appreciate you articulating it like this again it's not high high scale drama but it's just I'm sure it is the most relatable thing out there for everybody we've all been there man woman or they right um and it hurts like I get like there's hurt feelings because you you know you're like you don't want to be a clinger honor but you still want to see your friend but you also are like aware enough that you're like I don't want to be the fucking third wheel clinger honor so it's like this hard like you're like exactly what you said lady is like you're like inwardly struggling like is this a thing like should I be upset should I not but what I will say um about ours this this relationship this friendship with

his girlfriend is obviously really true because what he had said is in the past he would have fucking been like peace out and he doesn't want to do that obviously his gut is to like stick with her but I think as I just said a little bit ago is like friendships are a bit of a dance and like they do kind of go in and out sometimes and so yeah you're just gonna be just on the sidelines for a bit because she just needs to do her thing but you guys are clearly like ride or dies and i'm sure you'll like i know for a fact like you guys will be back together again um spending all that time together but yeah like when you start to feel the third wheel vibes bow out because you're probably being a third wheel vibes i i you know you seem sane enough to know well you know

know the situation to read the room. You're reading the room. Right. I guess. Yeah. But also don't take it. Try to remember like this is not about you. No. Right. I think that is what I'm sensing a little bit that you're taking it a little personally and it's not. It's it's that she's in it with this dude is happy and she's trying to find the balance for herself. So it's it's not directly about you. I mean, you're in it in the sense, but it's not about you being not interesting or you not being fun to be around or you not being important. Totally. I think that at the crux of this is the reason why this is, I think, sitting with you in this awkward, uncomfortable way is because you're wondering, are you important? And it's the wrong

question to ask you, of course you're important. You are important. Don't doubt that. Um, and when you can remove that question from this whole situation, that this isn't about how important or not important you are. It's just how the ebb and flow of a friendship when it is existing in the same environment as a new relationship and romance and love and pheromones and all of that, that's all this is. It's not about your significance. Oh my God. That was quite beautiful oh in my my diarrhea state it almost brought tears to my eyes so our um please know how much we appreciate you are and we like you i can tell that we would we would be tight too i like our fucking if her sasha doesn't say that that's true i really don't a lot of people neither

do i actually we actually hate people yeah so i don't know why we are important to us okay this next letter is i included because i feel like you will have a lot to say about it really yeah it's about tits i'm excited and letting your tits just breathe the next question is about tits yeah and breathing well oh okay all right well here we go dear sasha and laney what is your stance on bras and specifically on appropriateness of not wearing them and more specifically not wearing them on school runs. I have completely abandoned wearing bras, clasp or no clasp. I hate them, but find myself having to wear black thick t-shirts in order to hide the fact that my boobs are free underneath. It works most of the time, but it is

summer now and sometimes when it's scorching, I'd love to throw on a camisole and not think about looking sexual. Is it sexual? I don't care one bit about being judged by other mothers. In fact, I'm an absolute look. In fact, I'm an absolute loner and don't even know anyone's names or their kids' names. I speak to no one, but it is deeply ingrained in me what is and isn't appropriate. And I would hate to be side-eyed. I'm in my early forties. My boobs are a post breastfeed C size, wish they were smaller. So I wouldn't have this issue. I keep my appearance super simple, boyfriend jeans, t-shirts, and no makeup. Do you think sexualization of tits is still a thing? Have the rules been erased or will I be called for a talk with the principal? Thank

you, Em. Oh, I love this question. I knew you would. So take it away. Take it away. No, I want to know what you think. Well, I mean, it resonates with me a little bit because I. You've been regularly whenever I see you're not wearing a bra. Oh, have you noticed that? Well, you don't have to. Well, yes. And that's a compliment. Okay. But when have I been? I wish that I could walk around in the world. So you've noticed lately I've just not been wearing bras? You were wearing a really cute top on Saturday, even though your asshole was hurting. And I love the top, but I also, because I pay attention to the kinds of tops that people can wear without a bra, like, but they can't be wearing a bra. For instance, the top you were wearing on Saturday,

I couldn't wear that. Why? You know my body. I do know your body. You have bigger boobs than me. And I always think, oh, God, I wish I had mine are enormous. Yes. But well, it's it's the grass is always greener. I would love a fucking enormous tit. You fucking lie. I do not lie. There are so many tops that I buy and I'm like, well, fucking that's a goner because

I can't fucking fill them out. I so when when our writer said she'd fucking see tits, I was like, that's that is the ideal tit size to fucking free swing that shit. But anyway, what I was going to say is I do go back and forth. Like I like wearing like low slung shirts. I like fucking unbuttoning it all. But there is always in the back of my mind, oh, fuck, is this kind of slutty or like or is this like just too much reveal?

Am I being like too like is this too much? But then I always just go out anyway. But there is a battle. There is always that battle in my head being like, is this too much? is someone gonna think like this is inappropriate um and I mean my quick answer is no I think that like from from what I also see like just out on Instagram or like in fashion magazines I think like more and more people are not fucking wearing bras like the tit is out and the tit is like like thumbs up like free ride that shit and everyone seems to be okay with it like I I don't

see lots of people I know that we're in this COVID state and everyone's braless but like even before that like especially in the summer I don't know I I'm all for it if if we're talking about just like aesthetically I'm all for it I I don't think that it's inappropriate for the situation that um M is laying like in a camisole getting you're getting in your car you're picking up your kid and then you're drop you're dropping your kid off are you fucking going into business meetings is this like a work situation no it's the school drop off and pick up right it's the school what if she was to get out of the car and the principal sees her is that wrong well I don't know like is she running through a sprinkler

no okay no she's actually like she said she doesn't talk to anybody she's there for the purpose of picking up and dropping off her but she knows she's being she shows up you know she's being seen by other people or she wouldn't be fucking writing us i don't know i mean i i think too that what she's saying is like she's done it in the winter in a black t-shirt right now it's scorching hot so she's thinking about a camisole yeah so i mean when i'm picturing a camisole i'm not picturing like lingerie i'm picturing a pretty i don't know camisole lingerie Is it? Okay.

I mean, it's just another name for, like, no, camisole, sleepwear is a camisole fucking tank. Same, same. All right. So, should she show up in a camisole to the school run with no bra on? I mean, from a style perspective, yes. Okay. You know what I think is messier?

Fucking seeing a bunch of dirty ass bra straps with your fucking camisole. Great. So, yeah, I don't think it's totally sexualized. you but it's fashion but you were going you were going to say if she was to go into like a workplace I don't think she should show up in a camisole to like a lawyer's like if she's a lawyer I mean because whether or not we agree with policing women's clothing which I get women's clothing should not be policed that said the fact of the matter is is especially in certain industries like the legal industry or I don't know, whatever boardrooms, there is a certain

dress code. Okay. But how about she's not in the boardroom? How about you? Have you ever gone on TV without a bra? No. Okay. How about people with breast implants? They go a lot of the time braless and they don't get shamed. All the time. All the time. So that's the point. So what, just because their tits sit up a bit perkier, they're allowed to? Yeah. But I think that right now. Okay. She, what specifically we're focusing on her question, but she's also talking, she's also talking about going braless in general. Is that, is that sexualized? Is that inappropriate? No, I don't think you can. I don't think that you're, I think you're fine going braless in this situation to pick up the kid. Okay. Should you just wear a camisole and show up braless

to church and that goes for and that goes for so maybe I need you to spell this out for me so no church no legal offices are you allowed to go to the grocery store braless in a camisole yeah okay I'm good with that okay uh are you I'm good with that okay so casual things you're allowed to do all that with but if you take it into the workplace that is a know. Depends on the workplace. Like our workplace, it's a creative space, right? Like it's one thing. But again, unfortunately, there are certain industries that are more traditional and conservative. I don't like that either. I don't like that either. And I think it's bullshit. I want to say that before people jump down my throat. Having said that, the reality is,

The reality of it is, probably because it's an established conservative traditional workplace, certain industries, a camisole with no bra on to go to a legal briefing is probably not the thing. How about braless with not a camisole? Okay, so this is what I keep on… This is why I can't get this out of my head. You and me, we work at the same place. Not you. I want to talk about someone with like fake breasts because this is what's fucking making my head screw.

So is it okay? We know tons of people with fake breasts. Yeah. So is it okay? Is it cool if the fake breast goes in with the t-shirt, no bra, but then I roll in and I wear no bra, but you can see the fact that I've got like warm nipple, like warm nipple tits because mine aren't. There are some outfits, but there are some outfits where you don't need to wear a bra.

I'm talking for some of us. talking a t-shirt okay right because this yeah this our writer wore a black t-shirt in the winter braless yeah so is it more like is it seen more appropriate for someone who has perky fake tits as opposed to somebody who has let's say as she said uh like what did she say mom breasting c's so which she's trying to tell us are like saggier are those those should in my eyes should be allowed either way yes but one in a black t-shirt one is more but one is more um accepted right because one is perkier and one is like rounder. So that's bullshit. Like that, that bothers me. It looks more, it looks more unkept. Right. I'm putting that in major quotation. It's also the

movement. It's, it's the movement, right? Like if, if you have breast implants, they don't jiggle and swing. Totally. Um, and so it's the jiggle and swing of it. Right. And for sure, I see, I definitely see the, the difference there and there shouldn't be one, but I don't know that that was her question. Her question is like, is on the school run on a cam, like, is a camisole no bra cool? And I'm like, yeah, go for it. If you are a, an attorney and you are in court and you show up and you are like delivering your opening statement and you show up in a camisole with no bra, I'm pretty sure like, that's, you know, not a, not a thing. I would love if courtrooms were always every day. I would love it. I'm saying I would love it. I'm just saying

reality, the reality of the world is that that's probably not a good idea. Okay. Right. So yeah, that's the question, right? That's the question, but I just wanted to go rogue. Right. Well, her question is, do you think sexualization of tits is still a thing? Yes, I do. Unfortunately, yes. Yeah, I do think. I don't think you should be called into a talk with the principal just because you drive up in your car wearing a camisole with no bra, get out, you know, throw your kid's knapsack in the backseat, strap the kid into the car seat and drive away. If you're wearing. But to me, it doesn't even have to be that quick. You can go and fucking linger outside

and like, like I see not talk fucking. Well, eat your fucking lunch on the fucking sidewalk. I don't give a shit. I think that shit looks great. That's fine too.

That looks all good. I guess that's what I'm saying. She's, the options she's given us, I give a okay. Everything looks good. I'm just saying she specified that she doesn't talk to anybody.

She just shows up. She picks the kid up. She drops the kid off and she's out, right? I'm lengthening her canis all the time. Go do, go run some errands in them. Totally fine.

You know what just like popped in my head, though? Sometimes they have like parent and kid athletic day where you like a sports day. I don't know. A sports day. Yeah. And I mean, so I think that. Sure, a tank top and no bra would be fine on that day. But then would you be uncomfortable doing sports day and like running around?

Because I can't run without a bra. I can't even run without a bra. Right. So that, then it becomes about comfort. I know that this isn't the question. I'm playing out all kinds of scenarios. So if you're that parent where you're just like, you brought your lawn chair and you're just watching the sports day, go ahead with your tank top and no bra.

But if you're doing the wheelbarrow race. Or like the sack run. Yeah. You need to lock and load that shit. I'm just thinking for comfort's sake. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

Hopefully we answered that. No, we just went on like a tear about. Fuck, I wish I could go braless. You know what? But I feel like you always do. I do go braless at home all the time. I guess I just don't think what you wear are bras because you just wear sports bras. Yeah, I wear sports bras.

I hate real bras. Yeah, that's what I think is in my head right now. Yeah. But you know what I hate is that like, you know, my breasts are big and heavy and I hate having to carry them. like I actually have to hold them because they're that big I guess every time you flash me you do hold them actually even when you flash me you yeah nope I'm closing my eyes fuck you guys this is secretly this is why I included that she just flashed me just FYI because you miss my tits you haven't seen them in months again I've never asked for them you think it's something I enjoy

I've never said I do. I know you do. Okay. No, like when I go up and down the stairs, I hold them. Yeah. Without a bra on. Like I, yeah. I fucking hate that.

I want a reduction. Have I never seen you in like a tank top without a bra before? I guess not. You should probably try that. I think you've seen me in a certain kind of tank dress that is constructed in a way that I don't have to wear a bra. But it's just uncomfortable for you, mostly. Is that what you're trying to tell me?

Because they're so heavy? at times in the month, they're so heavy. There are times in the month where they're small for me. Yeah. Um, I put on some weight in COVID though. So whenever I put on weight, my tits get bigger. So I'm about like, so yeah. Great. They're real big right now. Like they're yeah. And they're lopsided. Listen, you've got great tits. So I'm not going to no i don't think i see them more often than i want to and i can say yes they're good all right maybe we should wrap this up because yeah okay um thank you for listening everybody keep your questions coming to me at sasha at lady gossip.com we started with covenant and

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