When Reality Hits with Jax and Brittany - Massive Chaos at All Times with Kail Lowry

Episode Date: May 8, 2026

This week, Brittany welcomes reality TV veteran and podcast powerhouse Kail Lowry for an honest conversation about motherhood, fame, and life after MTV. Kail opens up about raising seven kids, navigating co-parenting, dealing with online hate, and why she finally walked away from Teen Mom after 13 years. The two also share the unbelievable story of a scammer who almost tricked them into a fake live podcast collaboration, plus they dive into reality TV editing, social media trolls, AI-generated rumors, parenting in the public eye, and the chaos of balancing career and family.Please support the show by checking out our sponsors!Quince: Go to Quince.com/realityhits for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns.ZBiotics: Go to https://zbiotics.com/REALITY and use REALITY at checkout for 15% off any first time orders of ZBiotics probiotics.Rula: Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts who specialize in you at https://www.rula.com/realityhits #rulapodProgressive: Quote your car insurance at Progressive.com to join the over 28 million drivers who trust ProgressiveDiscover Your New Home at apartments.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

And welcome back to another episode of When Reality Hits. I am so excited for the guest that we have on today. She is truly one of the business women that I know. It's Kel Lowry. Hey, girl. Some of you may know her from MTV's 16 and pregnant and Team Mom too, but I bet most of you will know her from one of her many podcasts, barely famous, coffee combos with Lindsay Crisley, or Karma and Chaos with Becky.

hater. She's also a mom of seven. Seven. Seven. We're going to get into that. But oh my goodness. She keeps it honest about motherhood, co-parenting, relationships, business, and literally all the chaos that comes with life. And we're going to get into all of that. First, though, we want to say congratulations on your Webby Award for coffee and convos. It's your fourth win. Yes. Congrats. Thank you. We were so excited, but they always plan it over Mother's Day. Oh, really? Yeah. So I'm like, okay, we're going to go to New York. Saturday, come home, spend Mother's Day with the kids, go back to New York to go to the

Webby's. Well, going to New York for a couple days is fun, though. Yeah, it is. It is fun. I couldn't live there, but I love to go visit for like, watch what happens live and whenever I do things like that. Yes. But, like, two or three days is all that I need there.

I'm good with 24 hours. Yeah. Seriously. The flight's a little long, but it's worth it. Okay. Before we get into all the other stuff, we had something really weird happened between the two of us lately, which kind of started this whole thing. Listen, so I was trying to book with you for forever.

I think your availability doesn't always align with mine. So I kind of knew it was going to be in the works at some point this summer. And then I was getting all these emails and DMs about people like scamming and I wouldn't know who these people are. So I would click on their profile and I'm like, okay, they do have a really big following. What do you mean someone's trying to schedule you from my podcast? And I felt horrible because one, I didn't know who they. I obviously knew. So it wasn't just me.

It wasn't just you. Yes. They reached out to Bunny. Jelly Rolls White. Yeah. They reached out to like other big influences online and we're like, hey, I just want to make sure like this is legit. Like this is someone from your team.

And I'm like, absolutely not like, I would love to book with you. But no. And so when you DM'd me and you were like, hey, like what's going on? Yeah. What do you mean? Well, you know, I don't even know if you know the full details because honestly talking to Stacey, which is one of our producers here at the podcast, I found out that it was like a whole scam from the start.

Yes. So they, whoever this scam. person was reached out to my publicist and my manager. So they have like a long email thread of them going back and forth because I had known that we were talking about each other's podcast for a while. But also they were like, you know, sometimes a brand will be like, we'll pay $5,000 or however much for you to come on. So that he was saying that Tart was going to pay. Are you? Tart cosmetics was going to pay for us to do a live podcast. So that's why it was going to be different because, you know, we obviously record in studios or wherever, and it comes

out a couple days later. So the only difference was that we had to do a live podcast. So they were going back, whoever this scammer was, was going back and forth with my team for like a while. And then they kept telling me that I had to jump on a Zoom to like learn how to set up the meta business live or whatever. And I was like, I don't, I haven't been able to get on to my. Facebook and forever it's linked to my

Instagram, but my Facebook profile picture is still a photo of me and my ex-jax. Like, that's how long it's been since I have been able to log in to Facebook other than it just being linked to my Instagram. So he had me this scammer who I know now. I was on a freaking Zoom

with this man. When you DM me and said that you had been waiting for over an hour, my heart broke. I immediately texted Stacey and was like, what the fuck do I do? I don't know why didn't think to text Stacy. Well, I was like, she's going to hate my guts. Like, you're never going to book up. Because I was excited to, like, do a swap at at some point. I was like, oh, she's going to hate my fucking guts because she didn't think this was me.

Well, obviously, I knew it wasn't you, but what the guy told me is, we're on a Zoom. I'm screen sharing with this freaking scammer. I wonder if he was going to try to like, he was going to try to get all my information. For Facebook to do. Yes, to take over my Instagram and stuff. They took my, scammers took over my, like, fan page on Facebook. And so they would post all these videos and make thousands of dollars. And they were getting. it and I wasn't. That's probably what he was trying to do. So he kept saying looking for this link that was supposed to be sent from you to do the live podcast. And luckily that link was never in my inbox. So I would never click the link. If I had clicked that link, he probably would have

gotten all my information. Thank Rihanna for that because that is horrendous. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I'm so sorry. It's fine. I just was like, what is going on? And I told my team and they were like, they could not believe that the whole thing was a scam. I mean, I have the emails I sent to Stacey so that she could send to you. Yes, she did. And, like, even the ones with him, he was, like, setting up times and dates. And I talked to this man for an hour. Like, it was a real man?

On Zoom. Yeah, he had an English accent. But he didn't show his face? He didn't show his face. No. He was, like, screen mirroring with me to try to teach me how to get on the meta business live. And then afterwards, he was like, we're so sorry. There is something going on with.

at a, it's from our end and from Kales end. So that's whenever I texted you and I was like, just so you know, I was trying to be there on the live. Like I thought I was scheduled to be live at like, I forgot what time it was. We'll just say 1230. Right. So it wasn't happening. And I was like, what's going on? What's going on?

And I thought it was my fault because I couldn't figure out the line that whole time. It was a scam. These scammers will go to lengths to not work. I know. But I'm like, if you guys just put half of this effort into scamming that you would, like, if you put that effort into something great, you could solve crimes, but you're out there trying to scam people and moms at that. Exactly. To me, like, please do not scam mothers. Exactly. Especially with Mother's Day coming up. Like, what is wrong with you? Oh my gosh. I could not believe it. And I just, I couldn't believe, like,

how well done it was. Because, you know, a lot of times, like, people will, our teams will talk and, like, book things for us. And we don't know. So we don't even know. We just show up wherever we're scheduled. Exactly. Yes. So I just thought that was. what was happening. And I'm glad I DM'd you because I was like, she's going to think that I was like, we're super late or something. And really it was fake the whole time.

I text Stacy, I'm like, she's not going to hate me. No. That was not your fault. But I hope you figure out who was doing that because it was so believable. Like my manager and my publicists were on the emails with this person. And they felt for you.

And think of all the contracts and stuff they have done over my tenure career alone, let alone all the other people that they work with. I am so sorry. I'll just give you my number after this so that we can just schedule. I know. I'm glad I just went ahead and just DMG because then we were able to figure out that that was crazy. So insane. Oh my gosh.

You would have been scammed for thousands of dollars. Oh my God. Wild. I'm still going to keep checking everything. Change all my passwords. I have to do all that stuff just in case. But people are crazy. Okay.

So getting into the good stuff now, that was just wild. But I'm glad it brought us together. Yeah, seriously, seriously. You know? Wow. Okay, so you started 16 and pregnant in 2010. Yes, I had my first son in 2010. So I remember watching that.

You do? Yes. Oh, my gosh. And that's before I ever started reality TV or anything. I started in 2015. Okay. So. I had two kids by then.

Yeah. I had two little rugg rats by then. That is so wild. And you were so young. And you did, what, like 11 years on reality TV? It ended up being 13 total. Oh my gosh. Yes.

We stopped filming around the time my son was 13 because I had gotten pregnant with my fifth son. I was like, I should probably take a step back. Yeah. Like you were like, it's time to move on. Because you know what? The storyline was so not me. Really? Like I don't want to spend my entire segment on teen mom talking about baby daddies.

Yeah. I'm only talking about them as much as I do because that's what was prompted. Oh, of course. So, yeah. I got tired. You have to run with storyline. and, you know, follow the story that's going on in your life. But it wasn't going on.

Like, yes, I have these baby daddies, but I'm not, I don't talk about them as much as people might think. Like, I don't even think about them as much as people may think. You know what I mean? Yeah. Even on the podcast, when I talk about them, it's more about my experiences with co-parenting. And so when I get on teen mom every single week is about the baby dads. Right.

Please, please. Like, you showed two minutes of my bachelor degree graduate, like when I got my bachelor's degree. Yeah. You showed two minutes of that, but you'll show 45 minutes of me bashing one of my kids' dads. Please know. They love the drama. People love the drama. They love the messiness.

I'm over it. I know. Girl, it's a tough situation at times, but, I mean, you have a beautiful life. I do. I'm sure you wouldn't change anything. Yeah, no, I would. I would go back to reality TV. Yeah.

A little bit different of a setup. Yeah. Like the Valley or, you know, like a grown-up one, because you were so young when I was. so young whenever you started. And I love asking my guest because I always have a lot of reality TV stars on. How did that even get started for you? I saw the first season of

16 and pregnant airing when I was already pregnant. I always want to emphasize that I was already pregnant when I watched it because a lot of people think, oh, she saw it and then got pregnant. Yeah, I remember a lot of people being like this is going to make so many people want to get pregnant because they think that they're going to get

to be on a TV show. I'm sure you had to deal with that a lot because I even saw that. So many people said or that it glamorizes, but I can't agree. Maybe the later seasons when we start making money, I could maybe see that a little bit. But the early seasons, like I, I didn't start filming for 16 and pregnant, which was one episode, until I was almost six months pregnant. Yeah. So, like, I was already very pregnant by the time they started filming. But I saw, like, the first six girls.

It was like Macy, Amber, Caitlin. And so I got online super desperate in my life, right? Like, my mom's an addict. And I was living in this apartment. and with her and I wrote I saw it on MTV it was like casting so I just submitted like a little paragraph or whatever and by the time they called me two or three weeks later my circumstances had already changed so I had to like explain that update it like update the information and then they picked me and I was like oh okay then it just happened really fast yeah and then so my 16 and

pregnant episode aired and I remember like where I was they called me months and months later it was maybe like three, four months later, they were like, hey, do you want to do another show, like a spinoff? Right. We're going to do it, Teen Mom, too. Right. I remember that. And I was like, how much is the pay?

Yeah. And they said 10,000. I said, sign me up. Yeah. So that's kind of where it all started. Is it kind of like Bravo, how the longer you're on, the more you get paid per season? Yes, but they did these loopholes where it kind of fucked us. Really?

So in our contract, I never had an attorney look over my contract. Because you are so young. Yeah, and I didn't really have great guidance. So it wasn't until later seasons. It was something about the extension of a season. So say season five has 12 episodes, they had the option to add on an additional 12 episodes, which in theory would be a whole other season. Oh, wow, yeah. But the way that they would get away with not paying us more would be to add 12 episodes to the season.

So it would be season 2A and 2B. So we got fucked. Oh, yeah. So you were getting 10,000 for an entire 24. We would get, we wouldn't get the, like, we would get paid more, but it wouldn't be what it would be if it was an entirely new season. So instead of calling it, season two and season three, it would be too. But then the kids would only get paid for one season and they wouldn't get paid for the other half. So it would be like they'd get paid for 12 and that's supposed to cover all 24. So the kids got bucked too.

Oh, wow. Okay. But the kids were getting paid as well to be on the show. Oh, well, that's good. I mean, they deserve, we wouldn't be here without them. Exactly. They needed to be paid. They need to be paid more than us.

Yeah. And your oldest is 16 now, right? Yeah, he just turned 16 in January, and so he's striving and doing all the things. Oh, my God. Yes. I know. I know. And now you have seven total.

Yes. Twins. Twins. My last two are twins. And you finally have a little girl. She didn't come without a boy. She didn't come without a boy. That's why a twin was connected.

Yes. I was like, wait a minute. Because when I found out I was having twins and I did the blood test, it only showed boy DNA. So they thought two boys. Oh, so you didn't know until you gave birth? I found out at 21 weeks when I went for my anatomy scan. Oh, yes, yes. They were like, one of them is a girl.

And I was like, double check. Like, I need you to just confirm once, twice, three times. Yeah. She was a girl. Oh, my goodness. Congratulations. I mean, I think having one kid with a busy life is all. I mean, how do you manage seven?

I don't know any different. You know what I mean? Like, I just don't know any different. Honestly, after three kids, what's one more? Really? So it's like at that point, it's just massive chaos at all times. Right. So was there a difference in being pregnant with twins?

Like, then just one baby at a time? No. Really? Actually. I mean, I was in pain, but I always, I guess, contributed that to me being older. Because I had them when I was 32. Mm-hmm. So, I mean, think of it.

about having a baby at 17 years old. Yeah. And having a baby at 32, your body is really different. So I always, but I guess it could have been, it would be, you know, my ex at the time, I would tell him, like, once I sit down or I lay down, I'm not even kidding you, it physically hurt me to get up. Yeah. Because I also had a tummy tuck in 2016.

So getting pregnant with twins after that. Oh, yeah. I was like in physical pain. So that, I thought it was because I was older, but maybe it was the twins. I mean, did you get a lot bigger being pregnant with a twins? Yeah. Okay. And they were big twins.

they were five and six pounds. Yeah, and that's big for twins. I mean, that's pretty average for a singleton. Yeah. So I had two of them in there. And I was like, oh, shit. Okay, so I had a mommy makeover. Did you?

Yeah, I'm very open about that. Okay. But you got pregnant with twins after the mommy makeover? I got pregnant five times after the mommy makeover. Okay. And do you think it's still like held up or do you have to like do revisions and stuff down the road? So after the twin, if you work out, because here's the thing about plastic surgery, and I don't know if you talk about this, you have to, you have

to maintain the results. Right. Of course. A lot of women, and maybe men too, they'll go get plastic surgery and they think it's a one and done, one size fix-all, you know, kind of deal. You have to maintain the results. Exactly. Yeah. I did not continue my work because I got my mommy makeover and I was working out religiously. And I got pregnant. I did not continue to work out once I got pregnant. So that was part of it. So after I had the twins and I had a C-section, I went in for a scar revision where they pull the tummy tuck scar down to meet the C-Sexam. section score. Okay. And so in that way, I would say that was like a touch-up.

Yeah. I did get a breast reduction. So I would say in some ways that could be a touch-up. Right. But I feel like overall, I think it held up pretty well considering five pregnancies, including twins. Yeah, you look amazing. Thank you. Yeah. This year, I'm focusing on a small shift that makes a huge difference. Effortless presence. It sounds counterintuitive, but for me, that means planning ahead so I can truly live in the moment, especially when enjoying a few drinks.

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No. What's going on? He's smack dab in the middle of seven. Yeah. He's not quite fitting in with the older kids, right? He wants to keep up with the older kids. He's five. He's closer in age to the toddlers.

My fifth son is, they're two years apart. So he doesn't want to be with the babies. Right. But he's too young to be with the older kids. So he's having a hard time. And so it's not a good time for me. In a couple more years, he'll be best friends with the younger ones. No doubt.

You know, just all kids around that age, they think they're so cool if they hang out with the older kids. So is he in kindergarten? He's going into kindergarten this coming fall. Yeah, okay. Yeah. I love that. Kindergarten is a fun age, though. Yeah, he's been in preschool and all that stuff.

But yeah, it's been wild. Yeah. Going to all the school visits and just figuring out where he's going to go. Yeah. I mean, it's a lot. It's hard. Especially here in L.A. Yeah.

Oh, I cannot imagine it here. Yeah. In Delaware, it's been pretty chill with the school system. We do Spanish immersion. They do half day English, half day Spanish. Okay. Which is really nice. Yeah.

So that's been really cool. but outside of that, it's, they all go to different schools. Yeah. How do you handle the schedule? Cry. I cry every day. I mean, I'm just thinking of like, even my son's like therapies and different stuff that he has to go to.

And like, I don't have family here. So I have a wonderful nanny. She's the only person who's ever babysat my son. Oh, good. At least you have her. I have her. And that's amazing. But, like, how would you do it with seven?

I just have so many questions. My entire schedule. revolves around them. I'm so thankful, grateful, blessed to do what I do because I'm able to, hey, I can record in the morning. I can take my kids to the doctor appointment or I can take my kids to their soccer games or I can do all of that. I constantly am like, what would I do if I worked a court, if I went back to like a corporate

job? Yeah, like a nine to five. Because my, my boyfriend, he was telling me about how like he would get 10 days a year PTO. You can't take off for like school. Like how would I have one kid, let alone seven. Yeah. Nine to five.

Right. How? How? I don't know. I don't know. I do not know. I'm just like, shoo, well, bless you. And, you know, I think you're the perfect person to have on for a Mother's Day.

Oh, thank you. Yeah. So, happy Mother's Day. Happy Mother's Day. What are your plans? They have flag football all day. So we'll be up at the ass crack of dawn and we will finish out flag football for Mother's Day. Yeah.

I'm like, y'all didn't think to maybe. skip this week, have a bye week for mothers. I kind of want to sleep in. Yeah. But is it always on Sundays? Yes. Yeah. And like, let's have a bye week. Let's shout out to all the moms on this football field right now. Yeah. Bye week for you. Do all the boys play football? Um, my oldest is into like acting. He wants to be an actor. I love that. Fluent in sign language. And then my, my three middles, Lincoln, Lux and Creed, they are soccer, football and basketball. Oh. And then the toddlers are not in anything yet. Right. But I know that's coming. Yeah.

And then you're going to have to add that to your schedule too. I'm like, okay, wait, where can, 9 o'clock p.m. for gymnastics maybe? I don't know. Well, you're going to get to do some, like, girly stuff. Oh, I'm ready. Here's the thing, though. I'll do cheer for her if she wants to, but I'm not excited. Really?

I'm not. Did you do cheer or anything growing up? I was forced to do cheer for like two or three years and hated every minute of it. If you were forced, that's different. I loved it. Did you love it? Oh, I loved it. I played lacrosse in high school, so I'm more of like that kind of vibe.

Yeah. I would love to do, like, I would love for her to do like dance or gymnastics. Yeah. But whatever she wants is fine. If she ends up playing basketball or fucking rugby, I'm down. Yeah. You know? That's how I am with Cruz.

Whatever he wants to try, go for it. You know, he's the best swimmer ever. So I'm like, let's see if you can make it to the Olympics. I love that. I would have never thought that. You know, you're like pregnant and you're like, I bet the. play baseball or football. And you're like swim. Yeah. Actually, that's kind of great though. Oh, yeah. He swims every single day. Are you serious? And he's been able to swim on his own since

he was like a year and a half old. One of my kids is like that, my third son, it was like I put him in the water and he just knew what to do. Yeah. He's not like a, I wouldn't put him in, unless he wanted to do competitive, but like just naturally knew what to do. It was insane. Yeah. That's so cool. I put crews in infant swim because I had a pool in my backyard and I was just terrified. Yes. So, I do have a removable gate as well. But I put him in that infant swim where, you know, they put all the clothes on and they make sure they know how to float if they were to fall in any type of water. We did that too.

Yeah. Because they have a cool and they learn how to flip over. Yes. So that they, you know, can be okay, which is amazing. And even the instructor then, and he was still an infant at that time, she was like, he loves water. It calms them. Yeah.

Yeah. My son has autism. So it like is so calming for him. I love that. He just floats on his back and closes his eyes and listens to all the sounds. And he just loves it so much. But it's just such a cool thing. Okay.

So since you were so young, when all of this started, looking back now, what do you remember most from the early 16 and pregnant days? Oh, gosh. I remember feeling like a fish out of water. Really? Yeah, it was kind of like new to this reality world. Because I feel like that was kind of like the peak of reality TV. And so I was.

getting ready to like tell my friends at school like I'm about to start filming this show and we were living in such a small town at that time and it was like no you're not like what the fuck are you talking about and so just like having cameras one thing I will say I remember um they would for continuity and I don't know if you've ever experienced this where they're like after the season is done they need to do like pickups oh yeah I would get so fucking frustrated and I would purposely like they'd be like oh we need you in this outfit to recreate this scene or this conversation and I'd be like, okay. And then I'd do my hair differently just so that other people later on could be like, yes, because I wanted them to know like that's not how it happened. Like, yes, it happened. Yeah. But it was twisted a little bit. Right. So I get frustrated. Yeah. But other than that, I didn't. Here's the thing. There's so much that went on behind the scenes that I'm like, I don't even know if that's just like across the board for reality TV. Like how close you get to like producers and camera people. Well, yeah, they're with you every single day. You know, I love my, like, my son, literally, as soon as the camera cruise and everybody comes in, like, he's sitting on their laps while they're filming.

And you can't even stay in, but, like, Cruz is sitting on the camera guys' lap. Maybe he'll go into filmmaking. He just, like, loves all that stuff. And, but, yeah, we get, like, super close to them. But I'm, I'd have no idea how your experience was. But tell me. It was like, super heightened emotions because a lot of the time we were struggling financially. We were struggling in relationships because we were so.

So young. How old were you when you started? I was 26. Okay. 25, 26. I was 17. Yeah, no. Big difference.

I would kind of put my foot in my mouth because we would talk about things that we didn't want filmed, but then we didn't have a choice. And then they're allowed to film whatever and do whatever. And so like I, the earlier years were really hard getting used to it. But then as time went on, we kind of bucked the system a little bit and realized, okay, if we don't film, if we don't say certain things, they can't film certain things. So it was a, it was a learning curve. Yeah.

But I was like, I have to do this. And then I started to really love it. Yeah. And so then I was like, okay, hold up. How can I like extend this time doing stuff in this industry? Yeah. I mean? And so, but the kids loved it.

It was always fun when they did like specials with the kids or like interviewed them. Like that was kind of cool or film birthday parties where we have that forever. But it was hard too to like relive some of the really hard moments and like the traumatizing things or the things that we regret filming. And reliving that because it's like you go through it once. there's the fallout in real life and then it airs and then you have to relive it and have all the judgment and then the fallout again because usually it's going to spark something

or bring up old shit that you thought you were over but then it like reignites and then like people get mad all over again rewatching things yes I'm like okay now I have to explain or it would be like I filmed something in this scene and the other person didn't know I said that and then now we're fighting about it exactly

and I've definitely done that and shout out to anyone who stuck with me all these years because I've definitely fucked up. I mean, the thing that people tend to forget sometimes about reality TV is that we're real people. We don't have a script. We don't have a script. We're going to make mistakes. There's going to be a lot of ups and downs.

I think the longer that I've been doing this, like, I don't get so mad anymore. Like, I'll say something and be like, oh, why did Zach say that? Or why did, you know, why did Janet do that or whatever? But, like, I'm not taking it, like, personally. Right, right, right. You know? In the beginning, you take it personally. But then towards the end, you're like, oh, I don't even care anymore.

Like, I won't even, I stopped watching it by the end because at first I was watching it all the time to see how it was edited. Yeah. By the last, like, five, six seasons, I stopped watching it. I don't care. Whatever they put out there, I'm here to get a paycheck. I'm here to just do my job and get the fuck out. Right. Yeah.

Well, goodness, yeah. It's just, I think the reliving it part could be one of the hardest parts. And I know that you've gone through different relationships and everything on the show. And people have so many opinions. about that. How have you dealt with that kind of things? Those kind of things. That's been really hard. I go through ebbs and flows where like

some days it bothers me. Some days I'm like I don't care what people are saying. But then I started to realize like spending all this time on social media with their opinions and things like that, I can't. So I hired a team to run my socials. So I do my DMs only. Anybody else can just post and comment for me because I am not, it's not good for my mental health. It's not good for my mental health to look at comments either sometimes.

Like, at the end of the day, there's so much more support. Yes. And, like, I'm so grateful for the fans and everything. But for some reason, the hateful comments can be louder. Yes. And those are the ones that can, like, creep into your mind at night. And, like, I'm an overthinker. I'm like, I'm nice to everyone.

What did I even do? Like, why does this person hate me so much? Like, I don't understand it. And I'll, like, overthink and overthink and overthink. So it's definitely not healthy to look at all that stuff. But try to always remember there's so much more love and stuff. support out there. It's hard. It's so hard. And I feel bad for the people who like support us. Yeah. I'm like, I don't mean to like look past you guys. It's just sometimes that one comment

will just really hit home. You know? Yeah. Oh yeah. And I don't know why people like to do that. I talk about this all the time because I think like social media bullying is just ridiculous. It is. And it's gone way too far. And I worry about our kids. Because it's already gotten worse now. Can you imagine like in 10 years from now what they're going to be dealing with? This one creator, who I have not I've never spoken to her I don't think but she makes she hates my guts really right like I am probably the number one hate person the number one most hated person for her and for what reason to be she just doesn't like my decisions which is fine yeah to each their own like I'm not perfect but she made 17 back to back videos about me and here 17 and then I think the next day was an 18th so she might have broken it the 17th and 18th up by like one or two videos but it was one of those things where like there's no laws about like there's defamation and then there's opinion. Yeah. It kind of teeters the line of both because you're coming up with theories that people believe as fact. And so there's no laws around that, right? And so that's what makes it really tricky because if you blatantly lie about something

is defamation's land or libel, but then you have these T pages that come out and they are creators, but there are they opinion? Are they spreading it as fact? Yeah. Nothing protecting. They say, oh, it comes with the territory. I did not sign up to be harassed. Exactly. 18 videos in a row is insane. That's insane. Well, just recently, I mean, I think I just had it on my story yesterday.

The second one, this page is making, like, AI photos of me and a guy. And saying that he's my boyfriend. And the first one that they made was supposedly us on the beach. And it was me and this AI dude kissing my son on both sides of his cheeks. Oh, see, no. You put my son in there. Exactly. Now we got a fight.

The reason or the fact that my son was in there pissed me off. This recent one, because I just got back from the Kentucky Derby. And I posted a first woman trainer. I know. First woman trainer in 152 years to win the Kentucky Derby. Shout out to all the women out there. Yes. I was so happy and I got to be there to witness that.

It was absolutely amazing. Oh my gosh. So happy for them. But the second picture was just me at the Kentucky Derby that I had posted on my Instagram. obviously I posted it alone. And then they added in the guy. And people believe it.

Was he hot though? I mean, he's hot, but he's not my type whatsoever. Oh, you're like, if you're going to AI Photoshop me with someone, make it my type. There wasn't a single tattoo. Oh, yeah, no. It was like buttoned up, like, frat boy. I was like, this is not.

You're like, no. This does not look like anything. But still, it's just funny. But whenever your son is added in there, that made it very strange. Yes. And just the fact that people, believe it and there's not really anything you can do.

So I just kind of like posted it on my story and was like, AI strikes again. So people realize like, it's AI. It's not a real photo. They put, uh, when my son came out, uh, publicly, he, they put the AI makeup on his face.

They did? Lipstick, eyelashes, eye shadow, everything. And people thought that that was like him. Oh my gosh. Like how? I'm like, even if he had makeup on, he would post it himself. Exactly.

No random. But why would someone? somebody have to put AI that. That's what is so awful about it. Just because he's gay doesn't mean he wears makeup. How proud are you of him? Oh, I'm so fucking proud of him. Oh, I'm so fucking, like, he truly is so, I'm so proud for him to come from such a small town where we live. Yeah. Three hours top to bottom, three counties. It's super small. And he just does not care. He is who he is. I love that. Oh, I'm so happy for you guys. So happy for him. That's amazing. Was that, like, were you shocked or were you?

No, I knew. Yeah. I've always known. I just, you know, if you, you don't come out to your parents if you're straight. Right. So it was one of those things where if he never came out to me, I don't care. Right. Whatever makes you happy, I'm going to, I'm here to support you. So if he just one day brought home a boyfriend, fine.

Yeah. Well, I'm not going to ask questions. I'm here to listen if you want to tell me. Yeah. And he knew it was a safe space. So he might have been, I think he was a little surprise that I knew. But I'm like, the closet was clear, babe. The closet was clear.

The doors were clear. Oh, my goodness. I'm glad that you guys are so close and that he's able to talk to you and lean on you. So many people don't have that. No, and he's a straight-A student. Oh, that's great. He's fluent in ASL. He is, he works so freaking hard.

He's such a good kid. Oh, I feel like he always has been. I mean, just from remembering when he was a little kid on the show. Yes. You know, a little bit shy. Yeah. Over the last couple years, he's really, honestly, I would say he was confident, confident before he came out publicly.

But I think it kind of exacerbated his confidence, which is great because he's proud to be who he is. And from what I can see and what we talk about, he doesn't let any of the negative comments affect him. That's great. Because he's old enough to like have his social media and all that. Yeah. Makes money from social media.

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Yeah, no, all the time. I'm like, wait, people know who I am. Or like people, other people in reality TV, like when you knew who I was, I was, I was like, people know who I, okay, it just doesn't sink in for me because I'm like, but it really was the peak of reality TV. Yeah, I mean, in TV, I mean, in TV, kind of, a lot of people didn't believe that I did not know my ex before I got on Vanderpump rules. I believe you.

I believe you. I believe it. I believe you. But a lot of people try to act like, oh, she, there's no way she didn't know. I didn't really watch Bravo. I love Bravo. Yeah. They're my family.

Okay. Let's like that clear. But I didn't really watch Bravo before I go. got on Bravo. Right. So what I had watched was like 16 and pregnant. Or I had watched Jersey Shore. I was trying to think Laguna Beach.

Yes. Oh my gosh. Laguna Beach. And then what was the other one that they did? Laguna Beach. The hills. The hills. Yeah.

You should go on Lowe from Laguna Beach. She just launched a podcast. Oh, yeah. She's a pod swap. Oh, yeah. I would love to do that. She's in New York. I've met like a bunch of them.

I went to the hills. I went to their, the hills. I went to their, No, they did a release party. It was whenever the later season came out. Are you serious? You got to go?

Yeah, so I got to meet a bunch of, I think our, I was still on Vanderpump rules at the time. So, like, our Van der Pump Rules producers also did, like, the hills and stuff and Laguna Beach. Oh, my gosh, I have an embarrassing story. So I always joke that I want to be the Kardashian, like Chris, Chris Jenner of the Kardashians, because I have six boys, one girl. She has all girls one boy. Yeah. So I, like, wrote to that person. producer and was like, hey, I have an idea for a show, but he never got back to me.

That's so embarrassing. Which one was it? The guy who did Laguna Beach and Vanderpom. Bill. Yeah, I guess it was Bill. And I, like, wrote an email, like, this was before, like, I knew about Canva and before I knew about, like, pitch decks. So maybe I'll try again. Yeah.

Here's my pitch. Cale and the Chaos. Oh, my God. I love it. Okay. Now you have all these, you have three podcasts. Yeah, and a network. That's wild.

Yeah. Yeah. So it's fun. Yeah. That's a lot of fun. And like how did you start realizing like I'm good at this? This is my next step. How did you, how did that all come about for you?

I think I was, I didn't want a podcast. So when my co-host of Coffee Combos podcast, I met her. I started talking to her on Twitter. And she was like, hey, do you want to do a podcast? Well, everyone, everything that I knew at that time, like my booking agent at the time was like, there's no money in podcasting. Don't do it. Don't waste your time.

I was in school getting my undergrad. They were like, don't do podcasting. Nobody knows about it. Whatever. So I was like, but I don't have anything to lose. So I'll just. It's really groan. We were in the infancy of podcasts.

Wow. Yeah. That's great. You started. Yeah. If I didn't take the risk, I wouldn't be where I am now. So we did that. After, I want to say, we started that podcast in 2017 by 2020.

So like three years, I was like, I can make this a career. Yeah. So then I started the second podcast. And then from there I said, okay, now I want to do my own thing because I had two shows with a co-host on age. I want to do something. I want to see if I can stand on my own two feet. Yeah. And so from there, it kind of just snow.

Nobald and I've loved to, now we're talking about doing a Vodcast. I would love to do at a Vodcast who, what's a Vodcast? So instead of doing on Spotify and Apple, we would just do the podcast on YouTube. Oh, got you. Yeah. Okay. So I'm maybe. Yeah. There's so many words out there. I'm like, what's a Vodcast? I did not even know that that was a word? Well, because some people, some people love to watch it. Oh, yeah. They wouldn't listen if it wasn't on video. Right. Like, okay, I'll figure out how do I can fit that in my schedule. Yeah. But, okay, so are you doing every, all three of these weekly? So karma and chaos airs on Tuesdays, coffee combos on Thursdays, barely famous on Fridays. And then I have my Patreon, which we do the videos the day before.

Wow. How do you think of what to talk about for all of it? I feel like they're so different. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah. Barely famous is like this. Right.

So it's different people every time. And so it's kind of based on whoever the guest is. Yeah. And then coffee combos is very like lifestyle. So we cover pretty much everything, current events, parenting, all the things. And then karma and chaos, my. one of my best friends and I had a falling out for like five years. We became friends again. So we started to do a podcast about that and it kind of has evolved from there. So they're kind of

different and different perspectives. So even if the same topic came up on both podcasts, it's kind of just a different conversation about the same thing. Right. But they're all really different. So that helps. Is there one that you like doing more than the others? No. I, um, you can't say it. She wouldn't be able to say it if it was. To be honest, like coffee combos is like the, that's the one that has been the, that's like the mothership, you know what I mean? So like I always have to give Lindsay credit where credit is due, I give her her flower. She's the one that, you know, got me into podcasting. Yeah. Yeah. Start there if anyone doesn't know who I am or wants to give it a listen, start with coffee combos. Okay. Coffee convos. Yeah. Wow. So yeah, you definitely went from,

you know, just trying something brand new with 16 and pregnant. Yep. And then trying something brand new again with podcasting. Yeah. Because like I said, podcasting is huge now. But 2017, I don't think it was... No, and we were,

I mean, brand new. Yeah. And what's crazy about that, I have a story about that situation. So with my MTV contract, technically any projects that you wanted to do

in addition to that, you had to go through them. And they started, they kind of ignored it. Like, they were like, whatever, like, we don't care.

I think because they didn't know how success, like how much money was to be made. So they got ignored it and started filming it as a storyline for the show. So at that point, now you have allowed it and engaged in it and whatever. Five years down the line, hey, we want to buy your podcast. And I said, oh, interesting. Okay, well, let's do the projected costs, right? Like, this is what we're making now. This is where we see it in five years. Yeah. They said they were insulted by our price. I just want to say it has surpassed that price tag

that we gave them. And they were insulted by that. They passed on the offer. And now it's making way more. Hell yeah, mama. Yes. They fucked up. Well, that's incredible. And I'm sure you're so happy with your decision because you said you had already kind of grown out of the 16 and pregnant at that time.

And this was your next big thing. And it's doing great. In 2022, when I left teen mom, the decision was made because I was making more podcasting than I was on reality TV. And I could tell my full side without it being edited. I could tell my full stories without it. And, you know, I'm not, I'm not trying to dismiss, you know, my time on reality TV because I loved it, right? Yeah, of course.

If I could go back, I would do it again. And it gave you your start to be able to do all of this. Absolutely. And I've always said that. But I think at the point that I was able to tell my story differently and people could see who I was versus the colder version of who I was on TV. Because I at the point that I realized, okay, well, it has to be edited a certain way. I would film things a certain way. And then it wasn't coming across the screen the way that it should have.

So getting on the podcast, I was like, okay, I can tell my story how I want. And people started to kind of accept me more. And so I was like, it's time for me to leave this show specifically. Yeah. And I mean, again, you were so young. So young. And going through so much. If the Valley or Vanderpump wants me, just go.

Yeah. You got to move. You got to L.A. We can't have you in Delaware. Bring it to the East Coast. They're doing secret lives of Mormon wives in Utah and OC. I feel like let's bring all the things to the East Coast. Call me.

We already have a. Valley spin off the Persian style. Are you serious? Yeah, but it's still here in the valley though. When are they going to, we need East Coast version. I'm out of my contract and all the loopholes. There you go. So she's ready for, she's ready to return to reality TV.

Bravo family's really cool though because we have like BravoCon and we get to like do watch albums live and we all know each other even if we're on different shows. We didn't get to do that because they said it would glamorize teen mom. So we didn't get to do any of that. Well, that's why you need to do something now. Like, Bravo.

Right. Call me. Do you hear that? My Bravo fan? They would love that. Okay. Let's get into one of the worst topics for me. Oh, God.

Co-parenting. Yeah, that's hit or miss for me. You've been very open about co-parenting and everything. And what would you say is one of the biggest lessons that you've learned that really helps with a co-parenting relationship? Because I need all the advice I could get. Girl, I have spent over a million. dollars in child custody. Oh my gosh. My biggest advice is that when you file with the court and don't go through mediation.

I'm going through mediation. Okay, good. Yeah. So I learned from Jesse and Michelle from my show. They got divorced right before me. My divorce is taking forever, but everything is being done correctly. Okay. Yeah.

So my biggest thing for the custody aspect of that is to try your best. And I have seen headlines and things like that. So I kind of know that it's rough. Yeah. But if you can avoid taking your custody aspect in front of a judge, you're going to get the best case scenario. We already signed the custody. Oh, good, good, good. Now, we already signed the custody and that is good.

It's in my, I don't want to talk too much about it because my divorce has to be coming up. But like, it's great for me and it's a great situation. But then the divorce is what's left. Okay. So I have done, so I have four kids' dads. This is embarrassing. I'm too old to have four baby dads, okay? So I would, my biggest thing was like, I've had one dad that has taken, he would waive mediation and still does.

He waives mediation. We go right to a judge. you're not going to ever get what you want when you take it straight to a judge. And I have also struggled with once we have the custody order, you know how you can kind of, you have the custody order, but then you might be like, hey, do you want an extra night? I'm going to go do this for work. Do you want the extra night? Right.

That has not worked out for me. Yeah. Right? So it's like. It's been a rocky for me too lately. So I get that. So my lawyer was like stop offering because at the point that it is not, you're not communicating, you're not doing all of these things like collectively.

It's not beneficial. so that's been an absolute fucking headache. So that's my biggest advice. But also, I am with my ex-husband. We are email only and have been for years. Because if he says something crazy to me, I can give it 20 minutes before I respond or not respond at all. I'm on a parenting app. Oh, same for my other baby dad.

And it's court ordered and you can print out the entire thing through a PDF and submit it to the judge. Exactly. That's the best way because otherwise you let family, like other like personal relationships get in the way you say things you don't mean stuff like that. But I'll tell you what, it does get easier because my first baby dad, he's about to fall off the roster and he doesn't count after it when my son turns 18. Yeah. So then I only have three baby dads.

And we're basically just related to the same kid and we're, you know what I mean? Like, I'm basically just your cousin. Oh my God, he's going to fall off the roster. I love it. I'm basically just your cousin. We're just related to the same kid at that point. You know, so. That is such a funny way. Okay.

Okay. Okay. So for me, I think one of the hardest parts about co-parenting because my son comes first, obviously, and I know that you feel the same way about your kids. So like that part is okay. It's more about like the messages, like the getting under the skin and like really trying. And I'm trying to not let it trigger me and affect me. I wish that I had advice for that. But I still will and when there's like really rough patches, because sometimes it's better than others. Right. Exactly. Yeah. But when there's really rough. patches and my friends can tell you like when we're podcasting or anything like that if I'm going through something custody like not custody wise but I guess communication wise with one of my kids dads it affects my entire mood yeah it affects my job it affects my demeanor it affects everything and it's so challenging or I don't know if you guys experienced this yet um when the dad will reach out because of stupid T pages or headlines online and it's like you'll block every single page that is associated to me you'll block people we both know

because I might be connected to them in some way, but you won't block the T pages and you'll take what they say and run with it. And run with it. Oh, yeah. Please. I don't, please. I've, trust me, for dealing with that a lot. It's so hard.

And I wish I had advice to get it, to prevent it from getting on your skin, but I don't. It's still happening. I think it's, we have another level of it because we are on TV. Yeah, like TV personalities and everything else. So there's a whole other layer to it. So it's just. The outsides, opinions, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, you know, again, it's one of those things like, does it come with the territory?

How much do we disclose on the podcast to avoid that? But people will figure it out regardless. Exactly. So, yeah. I mean, I'm going through so much that I'm not even willing to talk about just yet. But trust me, I will be eventually once things are more settled. Yeah. You know, I get it.

Because it is rough. But it's, I also think it's sometimes better. And I've learned the hard way to wait until things have settled to talk about it. Where, like, there have been times where I've gotten on my podcast, emotionally charged. I'm saying I'm so upset. Right. And then people get upset because I, you know, talk about it right away. Exactly.

Then I'll give it power in the pause. I'll pause and I'll wait and I'll talk about it at a later time. But that's not good enough either because I owed them an explanation six months ago. Right. So there's no winning there either with the public and then also with your co-parenting plus the privacy of your kids. Exactly. There's no way to balance at all. Exactly.

You know? And I signed up for reality TV. So I am very much an open book, you know, but when it comes to what's happening right now, and trying to get everything finalized, I just have to, like, be careful and then really get in, yeah, and just try to go from there. But it is not easy. I will say that.

It's not easy, and I got four of them. Yeah. And now you're in a new, is it, how new is your new relationship? He's here today. Yes, he's my videographer. Yeah. And my best friend. So we've been together for a year, but we have known each other since high school.

So he went to the same high school as my oldest dad. My, oldest son's dad. Okay. Not my oldest dad. I don't even have a dad. I was like, what? My oldest son's dad.

Yes. Got you. I went to high school together. I've known him since, I don't know, 2009, 2010, somewhere around that. Was he friends with your? Absolutely not. Okay. Looking back, I'm like, that baby dad didn't even have friends.

So what the fuck was I with him for? You know what I mean? It's all jokes, guys. Oh my God. I love it, though. I love it. He's looking at you like, Hello.

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Are you guys living together? How is it? It's great. I always would get on my podcast and talk shit about how people would be like, my partner is my best friend, my husband's my best friend. And I'd be like, no, you just don't have any friends. Like, you don't. That's not your best friend.

Your lover is your lover and your best friend is your best friend. There are two different things until I got with him. Yeah. Once I got with him, I was like, you are literally my friend. best fucking friend. Oh. Like, I get it now. You know what I mean?

Yeah. I just get it now. And so it's been really fun. He moved to Delaware. We got together. He moved to Delaware like three months into our relationship. And I know that's a common misconception if you guys have followed that drama at all. He moved to Delaware three months after we got together, not overnight.

Like people think that because my ex and I broke up and then I dated him kind of, I think within like six or eight weeks. That it was. Oh, but that it was like overlapping or something. absolutely not overlapping. It's just, it happened as quick as it did because we already knew each other. Right. So, not because we were romantic in any way before, but we already knew each other, so we had that already familiarity.

Yeah. But yeah, it's been going really well and I'm happy. So I hope this one, I hope this one will be forever. Is this one going to stick? I hope so. He's blowing her kisses through the glass. That's adorable. What about, okay, sorry if I'm getting too intimate.

Oh, he knows. knows. What about like you already have seven kids? Does he want kids? Or does he have kids? We don't want to have kids because I feel like the idea, right? When you fall in love with someone, I think the natural instinct is like how cool would it be if we had a kid together? Like I love you, you love me. We have so much fun. Like how cool would a kid be? Right? Like we probably have a D1 baby, right? Like I'm a big back and he's six foot three. So call me up NFL, you know? But the reality of it versus the idea of it, you know, is I would love to have a kid with him. But it would not be fair to my kids that I have now. Right. You know, our plate is

completely full. I really would love to see, you know, my career be propelled a little bit more. And I, we could reevaluate it in two years, but like I think by then it's like, no. You're still young enough. How old are you now? I'm 34. Yeah. But I don't have tubes. So I would have to, if we did have a child, it would have to be through IVF. Okay. And that's also something that, like, I don't necessarily see myself going through. Right. And so, like I said, the idea is there, but no. I just wonder because you obviously love kids. No, I don't.

I don't. You don't? No, I don't love kids. It's funny because I never wanted kids. Really? I had never been around them growing up. I see, I'm the opposite. I always wanted a bunch of kids and I have one.

You know? Oh, yeah. That's so funny. I love being a mom, but I've always wanted that, you know? Yes, yes. No, I had never been around kids. I had never held a baby until I got pregnant at 16. That's wild.

Yeah. But then I know. knew I didn't want an only child. Right. Because I grew up an only child and I hated it. It was really lonely too. It wasn't like I was an only child with cousins and all kinds of stuff. It was just me and I never, you know what I mean?

Yeah. So I knew once I had one and I think I did an okay job with Elliot. So I was like, okay, cool. Like, we'll definitely have another one. So my second one was planned. But if it wasn't for Elliot, I would have never had children. Yeah. So.

Wow. That's very interesting. Yeah. With all your baby daddies, how does he get along? with everyone. Nobody talks. Really? No. Okay. Nobody talks. So funny enough, he went to high school, he went to the same high school with my oldest son's dad, but they didn't have a relationship then. And because Elliot's 16, there's no reason. Like, I couldn't tell you the last time I saw Elliot's dad. Really? I could not tell you the last

time I saw him. Does he see his son? Yeah, he sees his son, but you just don't. Okay. I don't, I've probably months. Okay. And then my second, my ex-husband also knew him because we grew up in the same area. So they had already known each other. They've had conversation, but they also don't talk. There's not really a need. He lives in a different state. I have Lincoln during the school year, so they don't speak. Oh, a different state. Yes. And then my third one also lives in a different state. Oh, wow. Yeah. That has kind of worked out. He's a little bit erratic and unwell. My most recent ex is my neighbor. What? So we share a driveway. Shut up. So you. That's a reality show within itself. Bravo. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. You to call me.

So he's my neighbor. We, we, he, when we were together, he had his house rented out. So he lived with, at my house. But the way that it is, is like, you pull into our driveway and it splits to his house and mine. It's not like a neighbor down the street. It's a neighbor. Yeah, like a neighbor neighbor.

Kitchen window. He sees my yard. So do you guys get along? They haven't really had any reasons to communicate. They've had a conversation. And, you know, I get along really well with him. We never went to court. We never went to mediation.

we have no custody order, we have no child support order. Like, him and I get along. But they haven't really had so far a reason to communicate yet. But obviously, as the triplets get older, they will, I call them triplets because they're close tonight. As they get older, I'm sure with like school events and things like that, there will be times. Yeah. For right now, it's really copacetic the way it's working.

And I kind of just don't want to rock the boat at all. Yeah. No, I understand. Yeah. Well, you give me hope that you can definitely have. have relationships after the babies. Yeah. I mean, maybe don't have as many as me.

But yeah, you can. You know, I was told by someone, I mean, read between the lines, that no one was going to date me because I'm a single mom in my 30s. Okay. Well, I have seven kids and four baby dads. And shout out to Isaac Knight in because he's still here. I also, I never had trouble dating. Yeah. any of my children.

Trust me, I'm having a blessed. Yes. I'm still single, but, you know, I've got my, you know, I'm really trying to, you know, Cruz is the most important thing in my life. We have a lot of stuff that we're working on. I had a lot of healing to do from my horrible situation that I was in and still am, but I am like dating and having fun. I had like a boyfriend on the Valley for like a couple months, but it was, you know,

it was kind of like not really the same because you guys are actually together, but I knew him from way back whenever I lived in Kentucky. So we had been friends. So like whenever we reconnected, we were like hot and heavy. Wait, was this online? Yeah. I saw it. Yeah.

I didn't see it on the Valley, but I definitely saw it online. Yeah. We got like photographed in Cabo and stuff before I was even like boyfriend and girlfriend or anything because I just knew him so well and he was my friend. So that's kind of how me and Isaac are right. Right. But you guys are obviously lasting and whatever. But, you know, it'll be on the valley soon what happens with that situation.

but we're still cool. And, like, you know, but I'm just like, just trying to see how stuff is going to fit in dating-wise. Did you have a amazing family? Okay, so maybe that's why. Yeah. I didn't have good parents. Yeah. Oh, that's why I have.

Because my mom was, like, married common law and legally seven times. So I was like seven husbands for her, seven children for me, four baby dads for me. You know what I mean? Yeah, but. So I'm like, mm. But you're doing great with it all. So don't be hard on yourself. I don't know about great.

Listen, you just happen to be pregnant, get pregnant by four different men. Everyone in the world has been with more than four people, okay? Those are the only four that can claim me and maybe Isaac as well. So I've only technically been with five people in my whole life. There you go. You can just say it like that. And I'm 34. That's her story.

I'm thinking to it. Yeah, that's what has happened here. Oh my goodness. I love it. Okay, I'm going to ask you a couple rapid fire fun questions really fast, okay? Which of your kids is most likely to end up on their own? own reality TV show. Lux Lowry.

All right. Lux Lowry is ready. He wants to be an actor. He wants to be a comedian. He wants to be in WWE. He is the It Kid. And if you know anything about my kids, you guys know that's to be true. Oh, how cute.

And I love that name. Thank you. Who's the kid that's most likely to roast you in therapy later? All of them. Have you seen? We did a whole, the roast of me on a podcast episode. Oh, really? And I had two of my middles.

They roast me on a restaurant. regular basis. I love it. They roast me every day. So you're like everyone is going to roast me. I asked them to describe me to the police and they said, uh, we would tell them you look crazy and all your kids are crazy. You look crazy. And then luck said he felt my boyfriend's head and it's like he has a bald head so it's like a little bit, you know, that grows in really fast. Yeah, yeah. So my son leans on his head and he goes, oh, this feels like mom's legs. Please fuck off. Please fuck off. Oh my God.

I love it. Last thing that you hid from your kids so you didn't have to share. Kit cats. Kit cats. Kit cats. What's your most unnecessary Amazon purchase lately? Oh. Should I look?

Oh, I haven't been medicated lately. I have ADHD. Uh-huh. And I started hyperfixating on bedazzling items. I've never bedazzled, but you can guarantee that I have every item to bedazzle. Because I have the idea to bedazzle. to bedazzle. But you still haven't done it? I have not done it. Oh my God. I love it. I think I bought like $300 in beads. I do stuff like that to you all the time. Do you have ADHD?

I'm probably undiagnosed. Okay. I have Adderall if you need it. Oh my God. I love it. Okay. Who's harder to deal with? Toddlers or exes. Exes. No doubt. They're honestly the same. I think exes are way harder. They're way harder. Because they have like a Napoleon complex. I don't know. Yeah. I agree. Who's most likely to expose family drama accidentally. Me. You? Elliot.

Elliot told the film crew that I shit my pants after we went to Pizza Hut. I said thank you so much for that. I mean, you got seven. There's no telling what's going to come out of kids' mouths. I'm like, great. Oh, my gosh. One thing your kids roast you for constantly. Having seven kids.

Having four baby dads. They do? All the time. Oh, my gosh. They tell me I'm crazy. That's why you have four baby dads. I have a live tour. coming up and they were like, yeah, fatherless behavior is you.

Well, thank God they have dads. Oh, my gosh. I love it. One thing you swore you'd never do as a mom that you totally do now. Maybe like soda and like snacks. What do I? I swore I would never do it. I don't know.

Probably. Oh, I think it's really funny when my kids cussed. Yeah, it is funny. My last week, my three-year-old, he goes, what the hell? That sounds like how I say it. Yeah, it was an accent. He goes, what the hell? And you can't laugh because then it eggs them on.

Exactly, but it's so me and Ike turn away, because I don't say what the hell. Yeah. And so I turn away and he repeated, what the hell? And I'm like, this is, and I don't want to correct it because it's so funny. I love that he says it like I say it. Yeah. I'm like, are you from Alabama or? Oh my gosh.

Okay. Most Unhinged thing you've done running on no sleep. Most unhinged. I, some, like, scammer. Again, we're going to bring the episode full circle, scamming. You had another scammer? Yeah, they knocked on my door last year on a Friday and said that they had extra asphalt and could they pave my driveway for me.

And I was, I took a red eye home. I had just gotten cheated on. My entire life was slipped up to the day down. So I spent $20,000 on that Friday getting my driveway paved, which I did not want to do. Just because he was there. Just because he knocked and said he had extra asphalt. Why the fuck do you have extra asphalt? And you paid him $20,000 for that?

And now it's falling apart. Oh my God. This is Kail in the chaos, everyone. Exactly. Okay. What's your mom rage trigger? The wide mouth open crying. Shut up.

I love you. I love you, but cry quieter with your mouth close. Yeah. The wide mouth open cry. I can't. But it's like the whining one. Not like something is really wrong. Yeah.

It's like you didn't get what you want. Exactly. I know what she means. Now I'm like, go in the other road. I bet your house is never quiet. No. We actually have soccer goals at the front door and the back door inside the house and basketball hoops on the front and back door because we do full court basketball every day in the house.

Yeah. That is definitely loud. You're going to have your own basketball team. I'm ready. Sign me up. You definitely do. If your life had a warning label, what would it say? We run on caffeine.

We are unhinged and roast each other every day. Please always have mini muffins available. I love it. Okay. I ask these two questions to everyone that comes on. If you could be on any reality TV show, what would it be? Oh, I would have one. I'd have my own.

I would say maybe maybe a Bravo show. Yeah. I mean, I don't know where I would fit in. Bravo's kind of taken over reality TV. It has. It really has. Maybe Chrissly knows best.

Yeah. Also, that was some good one. I don't really, I'm trying to think, because I don't, I'm not Mormon, so I can't say Secret Lives and Mormon wives. Vanderpump. Yeah. Let me do a cameo.

I mean, all good choices. And who is your, favorite reality TV star if you had to pick one out of all who's the most iconic to you of all time mTV bravo netflix whoever think probably the Kardashians I mean they are very iconic because I haven't seen Alex Earle I'm really excited for her reality show I haven't seen it either it's I don't know when it comes out but I'm excited for that one I'm trying to think what other what other reality shows are there there's a million but like off the top of my head I mean, a Kardashian is always going to be iconic.

I'm going to go Chloe. Yeah. I love Chloe. I love Chloe. She's so nice. I love her. Did you meet her? Yeah, we were all at the MTV Awards, actually.

And she came over to our table and, like, said hi to us and that she thought our show was supposed to win. Oh, I love that. I actually saw you guys at an event, and we didn't know each other then. So otherwise I would have said hi. Yeah. It was here in L.A. And I think it was like an Us Weekly event maybe. Okay.

And y'all did the red carpet right before me. and there's a picture, I think you're in it. And it's like me here and then like you're in the background. Oh, how cute. Yeah, I wish I would have known you then. Well, I decided it. Yeah. For this episode.

And one last question that's not on here, but I just want to know for myself, are you close with any of the moms that were on team mom? Yes. So Kate and Ty have a podcast with my network. Oh, good. So I talk to them all the time. And I talk to Macy sometimes. So she's been cool.

Oh, Macy. She had the red hair. Yep. And she has Bentley. Yes. Oh, how old's Bentley now? 17? Wow.

I think he's 17. Gosh. Time flies. I know. So crazy. I know. You blink and Cruz will be 15 years old. Him even turning five was wild to me.

What about some of the more wild ones? Oh, Janelle and I have beef. Okay. So, I mean, it's one-sided. It's funny that I said wild ones and that's like who you. I saw something just recently where her son was getting in trouble like the grandmother was calling the cops. It was on TMZ like yesterday.

Yes. And I don't. You know, I have extended the invite to her to her to, to come on the podcast, work out this beef that she has with me. I don't have beef with her. She has beef with me. But it just doesn't, it never, it never goes anywhere. Yeah.

I think. So she said she's going to start a podcast. So you'll have to, maybe you can get her on and talk to her. Okay. Yeah. I'd be interested to know what's going on. But, and then there was one more that I, oh, Amber. And Farah.

Are you talking? Farah. Yeah. Do you hang out with Farrah? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Yeah, you're making me go back to the watching it years ago. So I was trying to remember everyone's name,

but I remember Amber and I remember Farah. Farah came on my podcast last year. And that was the first time I had seen her since 2012. Oh, wow. So it had been a long time and she was over an hour late. But she did tell me she would be late. So I will give her credit there. But yeah, I mean, her and Sophia.

Sophia's really sweet. But I don't know her very well. Yeah. I just know the headlines. And I'm like. And then it was Amber and Gary? Amber and Gary. Was that here it was?

Oh, I can't believe I'm remembering. Yes, yes. It's like taking me back. Oh my gosh. Yeah. So I don't talk to Amber, but I haven't talked. to her in like 10 years, but yeah, I know

who she is. That's just wild thinking of all those people. It's like all coming back to me now. Yeah, time flies, girl. Okay, well tell everybody where they can find your podcast, your Instagram, your show. You said you have tickets. Yeah. Live show, my tour,

tickets are on sale now, kaleowry.com. We have 20 cities and three countries. Let me know. And then you can find me on socials everywhere. I'm on all the platforms. That's kale Lowry. Awesome. Yeah, thank you for having me. Nice for coming on. and happy Mother's Day. Happy Mother's Day. Happy Mother's Day to all the mamas listening out there to you.

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