When Reality Hits with Jax and Brittany - OG Reality Royalty: Shanna Moakler Uncensored

Episode Date: February 27, 2026

Former Miss USA and OG reality star Shanna Moakler joins When Reality Hits for one of the most unfiltered conversations yet. From the early days of Meet the Barkers with Travis Barker to navigating divorce in the public eye, co-parenting, and her complicated history with the Kardashian family, Shanna opens up about it all. She reflects on being at the center of 2000s Hollywood, addresses long-standing rumors involving Kim Kardashian, and shares what it’s really like watching her family reconnect with reality TV in a whole new era. Plus, she talks healing, growth, LA’s iconic nightlife days, and the lessons she wishes she knew in her twenties.Please support the show by checking out our sponsors!Leesa: Go to Leesa.com for 25% off PLUS get an extra $50 off with promo code REALITYHITS, exclusive for my listeners.Nutrafol: Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code REALITYHITS Tempo: For a limited time, Tempo is offering my listeners 60% off your first box! Go to TempoMeals.com/REALITYHITSJones Road Beauty: Use code Reality at jonesroadbeauty.com to get a Free Shimmer Face Oil with your first purchase! #JonesRoadBeauty #adSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

to another episode of When Reality Hits. Today I am so excited. So excited, actually. So excited. So excited. So excited. Zach Wickham is here again as my co-host, my bestie. And I am so excited because we've got the model actress, former Miss USA, and now Wicked

Awesome podcast host, Shanna Mochler. Welcome to When Reality Hits. Hey, guys. Thank you so much for having me. excited to be here. Oh, I'm so excited to have you. We have so many questions. And also, you're like the original OG reality star. You know what I mean? I was one of them. I was one of the, I'd like to say one of the pioneers, you know, but obviously the Osbournes and the newlyweds, they're the real pioneers. But we were there. We were there. You were top three. Yeah.

I'll take it. I'll take it, you know. I like it. And it was back. It was back. in 2005? Yep, around that time. Yeah, because I had, yeah, I was pregnant with, actually it was a little earlier, I think. I think it was around like 2002 because I got, I was pregnant on the show. Oh, we had Landon.

Yeah, like 2003-2004. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. So crazy. That's amazing. Before we get started on everything, do you want to tell us a little bit about your new podcast that you just launched? Yes.

I'm so excited about it. I've always wanted to do a podcast and I just could never find that, that like right person to do it with me. I knew I didn't want to do it alone. You know, obviously having such a successful podcast as yourself, you know that energy that you have with your co-host, how important it is. So when I was actually going to do it with Kelly Monaco, she left General Hospital, but then she ended up getting a bunch of work engagements and I had to go on the hunt. And I was like, oh, Claudia Jordan. Like, I've known her since I was a, teenager since I was like 15 years old. She was Miss Rhode Island, USA. I was going to be Miss Rhode Island teen USA.

And, you know, we're both from Rhode Island. We were both in pageants. We both moved to Hollywood. We both did, you know, different reality TV shows. And she's just such an East Coast girl. It was just such an easy fit to do. And we just have so many crazy stories, like same stories about love, life, men. know, we're in our 50s. So it's just a really natural organic. I can't stop you right there. I cannot say that you are in your 50s. Like that is insane.

Yeah. I'll take it. You are incredibly gorgeous. Like that, I mean, yeah. Well, I was telling you earlier, we're doing construction in my home right now. So I don't have access really to like my makeup and my lighting and everything.

So I'm kind of raw dogging it over here. but I'm having love that. I wish what raw dogging looked like that when I did it. Oh my gosh. I'm talking about construction because I was looking at your Instagram and stuff. So you're with your partner, Greg. I know it's not new. Yes.

You are redoing houses. We are. We're remodeling our home. Yeah. I actually met Greg 30 years ago when we were both young models in Miami Beach. I was 18, he was 20, and we kind of dated. He and I dated like 30 years ago. We both moved to L.A.

We did Poison Ivy 3 with Jamie Presley. She was in it. You guys should really go watch it. It's quite funny. We laugh at it now. I'd like you added to my cue later. Yeah, it's so funny. And then, yeah, we ended up reconnecting about two, three years ago.

And just, you know, it just was very organic and natural. and he moved me to Texas, so I live in Dallas now. I absolutely love it. But yes, we are doing a big remodel, and we're doing like a big, like his and hers closets, bathroom, master, laundry room, office. So, I mean, you can see our house is literally like... Oh, that's a war zone. Yeah.

Yeah, it's like a war zone. So it's pretty crazy here. Oh, I'm so happy for you. I'm so excited. When it's done, it's going to be epic. And then it's going to be yours. Yeah. And you're in a good place now, good relationship, feeling happy.

Yes, finally. There's like, I got that light at the end of the tunnel because it was pretty rocky there. Yeah. My love life has not been an easy road. That's for sure. So I'm, girl, I can connect with you so much on many of the things. Are you familiar with the Valley at all or Vanderpump Rules or anything? Yeah.

You know, Nia Sanchez was. my Miss Nevada. We were going to bring that out. Yeah, she was my miss. She was my second Miss USA. So I'm super proud of her. And I just love her in Daniel. So in her, she's just procreating like it's nobody's business. I know. Yeah. I keep trying to get her to stop. I'm like, okay, I think four is enough. Right. I mean, she's just like having babies like it's her day job. But, you know, that's one of the joys about being a director and working with Miss Nevada is seeing these girls go on and do really cool things, you know. I have another girl who went on deal or no deal and, you know, all these different things. So it's really fun. There is something I wanted to bring up that I looked when I

saw in your past. So in 2009, there was a little controversy with Miss California. And you stepped up to the plate. And I feel like you, at a time when a lot of people weren't speaking out, especially celebrities, um, about proposition eight. And, you know, you know, a lot of people were being very anti-gay marriage. You stepped away and were like, you weren't going to, you know, take what they were doing. And then came back into it because I guess the person stepped away, the pageant person. But I just wanted to say that's like very, um, amazing that you were already taking that stance when a lot of people weren't back then. Thank you. You know, being in pageants, you know, a lot of our sponsors are gay men and women. And, you know, they give to these girls,

you know, who compete so much, everything. I mean, they really wouldn't be able to go to nationals and do what they do without, you know, the love and support from these companies. So when that controversy happened and, you know, I really felt like I couldn't not make a stand. But when the no hate campaign came out, you know, it was just like perfect timing because it really, allowed me, you know, we actually just did a documentary. They're doing a documentary, I think on like the 20 year anniversary or 15 year anniversary or something. And they came and interviewed me. And they're so sweet. They were like, you know, you help us spearhead that. And it's such a honor, you know, to have been a part of it. But they really helped me because of that campaign. I was able to go and

march, you know, against Proposition 8. I was on CNN. I went against, you know, the president of NOM, Organization for Marriage, which actually spearheaded Prop 8, which was really just a hate campaign, you know? It really was. So, but yeah, I given props, you know, to the, to the, to the no hate campaign more than anything because they help really give me the, the platform to speak out about it. Well, and the thing is, there's a lot of allies that are lowercase A allies, as I like to call them. They're there. They like don't, they're not like technically doing hateful things. But you are in. your capital A status because a lot of times it's like they don't want to have the actions and you put the actions into it. So I just wanted to make sure that anything else, I wanted

to give you props for that because that was me. That means a lot, you know, thank you. That was a crazy time. I'm not going to lie. Oh, I know. Okay, so let's go into some reality TV stuff really bad. I know. I know that you are from Rhode Island. Yes. Right? And you heard, obviously, that they're doing a Housewives franchise.

Yes. And I met with the producers, and I wanted it so bad, Beverly Hills twice. And the first time Yolanda got it and the second time, like Megan Tilly and that crew got it. And but when they were doing Rhode Island, for me, I was just like, oh, my God, to be able to go back to where, you know, my my heart, my home and work in Rhode Island was just like, I got to say, I was pretty, I was pretty devastated on that one. Yeah, I know that you talked about it openly that you're like, why was I not picked? Like, do you think?

And Claudia Jordan. Like, how could you know, we are like, you know, because she's from Rhode Island and she's just so fierce. But, yeah, I was like, oh, maybe second season. You never know. Yeah, you never know. And you were a former Miss USA. I feel like especially there how many Miss USA's do we have in the Real Housewives or Val,

you know what I mean? Like I was Miss Rhode Island. I was like, it's a shoeing. You should have definitely been it. What do you think you would have brought to the show? That's like, oh, girl, I am so good at drama. I was like, I don't even think we need to ask that question. Yeah, I mean, I can tear some shit up on television, you know, I know how, I mean, I just

It's so interesting because from the time we did meet the Barkers when, you know, there were no lawyers involved and we just walked into restaurants and was like, hey, can we film here? And, you know, we literally just had crews following us every day from morning till night and what they got they got, you know, but now, and even doing, you know, VH1's Hollywood X's, you know, that show is kind of so, it's so scripted, you know, and the talent kind of comes together and they're like, all right, we're going to fight, I'm going to fight with you over this. Oh, really? You know, with you over that.

Yeah. And then we don't do that. No, Bravo would never. Oh, yeah. Well, the girl, well, the, the network isn't doing it. The talent is doing it. Oh, yeah. You know, we don't allow that.

We would pick somebody out so fast and they tried to pull that in our group. Really? Yeah. And not just that, like, you know, everything was so legal. Like, even to film somewhere, we had to get all this, you know, legal permission from, like, the restaurants or, you know, it was just like, I was like, this is so different from when I really liked it, you know? Even now, like, for any show, especially in L.A., you do have to have permission to, like,

film at a restaurant or, like, our house or something that we own ourselves. Like, you have to have permission from the state, the city, the landlord. Whatever. Yeah, there's so much right tape. Yes. but with our, like, we make sure it's very real with our show. Like, we might be meeting at this restaurant, but we need to talk about what we want to talk about. Like, you know, it's very, it's very, it's very.

I think it makes it more organic and it makes it more real, you know? So if there is, I mean, we had the producers too, like they were, you know, they would be like, oh, so, you know, she said this about you. I don't know if you might want to ask your co-star about this one saying that about you. And, you know, they don't tell us what other people said. Yeah. We don't find out until the show there. Yeah, and then that's what that reunion's for.

Yeah, and then we're like, hold on, wait, I didn't even know all this was happening. Exactly. Because you're not with somebody when they're filming 24-7, so you don't know. But, like, I don't know what Zach is filming. He doesn't know what I'm filming. Unless we're filming together. Yeah, we might hear something and get upset about something, but like, you're not to know what's happening, you know.

So we find out later on. That's why the. after show especially is so dramatic. Oh my God, that's really fun though. See, now that's something I would be really into. I'd like that. Yeah. So for like because the Valley, like we are like a real friend group that they basically had it from our friends. That's awesome. Do you have any connections with the Rhode Island girls that you think maybe in the future you could be pulled in? Absolutely. Absolutely. One of the girls is a makeup artist for the Miss Rhode Island USA organization. So for me, that's like really natural and cool.

And I've heard wonderful things. Another one of the girls, I believe, she does like injections, like med spa stuff. And I was going to go to her just to go. But Rhode Island is so small. I think I even dated one of the guys that one of the girls dated. So, even if you did it, let's start that rumor now. Season two, here we come.

Yeah, right. I'm like, so, you know, there's that. But, yeah, I can make it happen pretty easy, you know. Well, we are all in. Bravo. Let's get her on as a housewife because, hello. Right. You, I mean, iconic to have somebody from way back in the day.

I saw all their, like, their promo shoots, and they were, like, in big seashells holding pearls. And I was like, oh. It was so cute. I was like, why is an art cast photo in per, like in shells holding pearls? Right. We're in the valley. I was like, what's the valley version of that? Like, in a dumpster holding, like, a hamburger.

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Okay. Two seasons, correct? That's correct, yes. Two seasons. Okay. Looking back now, how do you reflect on your relationship with Travis? What do you feel like people get wrong about it? Oh, gosh.

you know, at the end of the day, it's a reality show, right? So it was supposed to be funny and, like, entertaining, you know? I just get, like, a lot of havoc, you know, because people are always like, oh, my God, all she did was stay in bed and sleep all day, you know? And I'm like, okay, first of all, I just had a baby. I had, like, my daughter who was, like, four, and then I had Landon, who was one. And then I was pregnant on the show. And I was the one who was, like, up all night with the babies.

Like he was either on tour or he was in the studio. And so, you know, I would always be like the one rocking. Like I would go put my daughter, Atiana, in bed and put on like the wiggles or something. And then I would go rock Landon, you know, while I had Bama in like her car seat. And then once I got Landon down, then I would go rock Bama and put her down. And at that age, they just wake up like every three hours. So I just never slept. Like I was never sleeping.

I was up every like three hours. So I don't know. People think I'm like narcole. or something or I was just like in sleeping. I'm like, bitch, I'm exhausted. I will say as a mother now, I feel like especially back then, no one talks about postpartum. That's what I was going to say. Yeah.

No one talks about postpartum at all and like how difficult it was or anything like that and like all the hormones and all the emotions and everything going through. So do you think maybe you were dealing with some of that as you look back? I think looking back in hindsight, like, yeah, I'm probably sure there were some of that on top of the fact that we had camera crews in our home 24-7. And our whole house was set like a stage. So we had the cameras in the house, like in the corners of our houses at all times. And when you're just so hyper-aware that you're being monitored 24-7,

you know, it's-in- yeah, and I had C-sections, you know, so it just took me like longer to recover. I had three C-sections and, you know, then having to get up and, you know, you know, pretend, you know, make good TV, you know? But I mean, I look back at those episodes and I watch them and it's just like the craziest time capsule of a TV show to watch. And we were, it was organic. We were in love. And it was a beautiful time in my life. And, um, and it's so cool that we actually have it documented. Because when I look at it, I'm, I feel like I'm, I feel like I'm looking at,

like I'm watching another human being. Like I, I don't even see myself. but that makes sense. It's like, look at those two kids. Yeah. You definitely feel that. Some of my time on VaynerPump rules. And I'm like, oh my gosh, like I can't believe that's still. Wait in 20 years when you watch it.

It's really freaky. Yeah. I can't even imagine. I can't imagine, but I can't imagine at the same time. Because right now I'm in the thick of going through a public divorce, going through peer parenting, going through all these things, which I know. Is it fun to do in the public eye too? Exactly.

That was going to be one of my next questions. I was going to be like, you guys really have some similarities. Yeah. Was it hard for you to watch your split with Travis and it becomes such a big public story Ron? Oh, I mean, it was one of the biggest challenges of my life. Yeah. It was just, you know, and you, you know, our whole show was about how in love we were in

our marriage and building this family and traveling and life. And then to like have it just sort of dismantled. waking up every morning and putting on TMZ and seeing like some new horrid you know you know news flash and it was just like god this is so humiliating and embarrassing and you know it was hard it was very hard now there was something that I saw um there was maybe a little I think you guys might have actually created um online um clapbacks I think you might have created the original yeah we were like fighting on my space like on my space yours I saw a post that he had done, and then you were like, whoa, this is completely out of, like, pocket.

Because the internet was so new and everything, like, how did you guys navigate not only, you know, the press and the reality show, but then the social media of it? Because you guys were kind of at the beginning of it all. You know, it was just like the Wild West, you know, and no one really understood reality TV then. Our lives were so insanely wild and we had so much press all the time. And it was just like constant. It was just a constant. It was just the way my life was. I never like looked at it like any other way.

You know, it almost felt weird if my life wasn't being pushed onto people, you know. It would have been like, oh, no, what's wrong? My career is failing because I'm not, you know, on TMZ. It's like the weirdest thing. You feel like now. looking back on your time on that show that you have closure from that time of your life. Oh, yeah, for 100%. Yeah, absolutely. But, you know, I look back on it, you know, fondly. It was really a beautiful time in my life and it was a great experience and I don't regret it at all, you know.

Yeah, no, I completely understand. I look back on my crazy times on Vanderpump. I know it hasn't been, it's not the same, but like, I still look back and I'm so grateful for that time of my life. Like, it changed month. So I'm always going to be so grateful. Since we have so much in common in your daughters are older and they're, they're a lot older now. How is my oldest is going to be 27 next month and I'm like not okay with it. I cannot believe that. So your oldest is with with Oscar Delahoya, right? Yes, yes, yes, yes. Atiana,

Atiana Cecilia Deloia. She's so pretty. She's so pretty, by the way. So all of your kids are gorgeous. All of your kids are gorgeous. They all have good hearts, you know. They're all like really good humans, and I'm really proud of that.

Yeah, that's amazing. And Alabama and Landon are your children with Travis. How is co-parenting now that they're older? I don't see what my future could hopefully You know, Travis and I, that's one, the only thing we probably agree on is our kids and co-parenting. So even no matter when we really butt heads and really highly disliked one another, we definitely would always come together for the kids no matter what. You know, there were just points in time when the only thing that we would ever discuss with each other was the kids. But, you know, Alabama had an issue last week and Travis and I were there with her, talking her through it and co-pans.

parenting, you know, it's like just, you know, that's just one thing when it comes to your kids. You put those differences aside and, you know, your well-being and the mental health of your child is first, you know? I will say it is lucky that you actually have, you know, a cognizant and, you know, sane ex-husband, whereas she doesn't have that same experience. So I feel like, you know, see, Oscar was like never there, right? Like he just like abandoned our daughter, you know? Really?

They still to this day, or is he in her life now? Well, he has a new girlfriend, and he's kind of having his midlife crisis era right now, and we're just letting him do that, you know? So we're just going to let him do that. But I really always think, you know, Travis was the one that really was the father figure in my oldest daughter's life. So I think she looks at Oscar like, okay, that's my father, but Travis is my dad, you know? And, you know, so it's, there's, there's that. Yeah. Oh, goodness. Yeah. I bet you have so many crazy stories. I do. So much. Like, I wish we can just

talk to you for three hours straight right now. I will tell. I will give you like the deeds. But I, you know, what I was saying, since it's menopause, you just like get brain fog and forget things. So I'm like, this is what I was saying. Yeah, Oscar was just like not there. But Travis was a very present father, you know, he was always there. So I kind of had the, the extremes, you know, know, one's gone. One's like really there. Yeah. Well, that's good because I wish hers would not be there. He's. But you never know. I mean, it took Travis and I, you know, almost 20 years to kind of get to a place where, you know, there's more of a mutual respect. Almost 20 years. That's why. Yeah. And Oscar and I didn't really, you know, have a conversation where there's more. there was real, probably 15, 16 years.

Yeah, it took a long time. Wow. So since you are like an OG with reality TV and now your family is kind of wrangled back in with the biggest reality TV stars. Yes. Yes. Yes. How are you handling that? Like how is that for you as the mother of your children that are now?

because they're still, especially Linden and Alabama, they're still, you know, very impressionable in that age where, you know, they're still young. You know, at the end of the day, you know, that's their family now, whether I like it or not, you know, he married into that family. That is their stepmother. Her children are their, you know, stepbrothers and sisters. And, you know, it really is nothing to do with me. You know, I could harbor. a lot of animosity and anger from things that happened decades ago or, you know, as long as my kids are being treated well and my kids, and they're good to my kids, which they are, they're good to my children. And my children are happy, then that's all I can, you know, be grateful for, you know. And yeah, so that's kind of it. You know, I try not to, like, harbor too much attention on it. I mean, we can't really avoid it. They're everywhere. Whether you like it or not, it's out there. It's going to be everywhere now. So that has to be while you are in such a good place and doing so much better with it all, I can only imagine that sometimes it's like it could be difficult on me. I mean, it's definitely like their fan base can get very rabid and like very bullying towards me. But that's fine. You know, I'm not quiet about my feelings. I'm very vocal about certain things. So, you know, that just comes with being someone who's very outspoken.

I don't care. I have very thick skin. This isn't my first rodeo. But, you know, it's like when it comes to my kids, you know, if they, if they were not being nice to my kids, then we'd have a serious problem. But my kids, you know, my kids enjoy their time with them. And, you know, I'm just, I kind of try to just, as long as it's not affecting my relationship with my children, which at one point it did, I'm cool. But now it's, you know, we've all kind of moved through it. Do you have conversations with Courtney since they've gotten married and they have a child of their own? Like, did you guys have like co-parenting conversations at all? Like, I wonder what that would be like because if my ex got with someone, like, would I sit down with that person and have a conversation with her about like things I expect around my son? Yeah. I think that's a very valid thing. I don't know. And, you know, I could be very, very wrong here.

So I don't think those women have those conversations with anybody. You know what I'm saying? I think they... But there was no, like, respectful. Like, I'm going to be around your children now. And I want you to know I will love them and respect them. Like, that's what I would expect if someone was going to come into my son's life. Yeah, no.

What? No, no. And at one point in time, I felt it wasn't respectful. And... It kind of the opposite. Yeah. I felt at certain times it was kind of like, wow. you know, if I had your kids, I wouldn't be doing some of the shit you're doing with my kids.

You know what I mean? Like, I would make sure that, you know, if I was, you know, watching her children, I would have made, I would have just made sure there were certain things that just lines that weren't crossed. And I felt like there were some lines that were crossed. But, you know, it is what it is. It's happened. And, you know, I think we've all moved forward from it from it now. But yeah, it was definitely, you know, it's those people don't understand their power. Huh?

Yeah, no, they do have a lot of power. That's why I'm like hearing. But still to this day, you don't have conversations with, with. Oh, no. No, I don't talk to that family. I don't like that family. I can understand, but I would think that there would be conversations like after all this time that they're together now. You know, I will say this, especially as a mother of his children.

Yeah, you know, I will say this. There's been times where, you know, one of my children may have had like something going on in their lives where I'm I know Courtney's been in the room, you know, when we're all trying to, you know, guide or help one of my kids. But, you know, and it's not to say that in the future, you never know. You know, maybe she and I will go to lunch one day, you know, and just kind of, you know, I don't know, just have some sort of common respect for one another. Or maybe you never will. I'm just, nothing's impossible. You never know what can happen.

Is that more of a you thing or a her thing? I think it's an equal thing. It's a dual thing. Yeah. It's like right now, it's definitely both. I understand that. I understand that. But I'm just saying you never know.

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You know, and the thing is, if certain things didn't happen, you know, decades ago, certain things didn't take place and I had just met them. I probably really liked them, you know? I probably, like, what happened decades ago? So because I don't know if all of our listener or all of your listeners, no, would you like to say what specifically happened or are we allowed to bring it up? Yeah, I mean, it's, I've talked about it before, you know, It's not like, you know.

Yeah, I had just gotten, like, texts from an anonymous number that Travis and Kim were having an inappropriate relationship. And it was, like, part of the reason why I knew she didn't even know what you were talking about. I knew it. See, this is why I'm here. Wait, Travis and Kim? Yes. So I divorced for that reason. And was it found out to be true?

Oh, I mean, I believe. I mean, I don't know. Everyone can, I've talked about it openly. They have never, they have never admitted it. But Courtney's married to him now. Yeah, that's the whole thing. That's why it's crazy. Oh, my God. Not her just having like a full bombshell when I've known this for like obviously years. Well, I'm writing a book right now and, well, I just finished my book actually. Oh, my God. Yeah, I'm very, very excited. And I go very, very much into. detail about all of it. But it's really only a chapter in my book. It's not like, you know, you're my whole book. People will say like, oh my God, this is all you talk about. But it's, you know, because when I go on like podcasts, this up, these are the questions like I'm asked.

I don't mind. I know. I'm sorry. I was just told you all talking about anything. So I don't talk about anything. I really don't. I really don't. I don't care. But we know that we know that media is going to pick up that one part that they can put that, you know, that gotcha headline on. Sure. And you could say all the nicest stuff we could talk about, you know, your older artwork and blah, blah, blah, and what are they going to use? Oh, she talked about that, you know what I mean?

So. Yeah, yeah. And it's just, you know, and I get it. You know, people are generally curious and it's been something that's been, you know, in TikTok land and, you know, and everything like that. But, yeah, so back to your original question, I just think, you know, if certain things like that didn't happen in the past, it maybe wouldn't have made his the transition into this new family and marriage is so complicated

and you know and that's why I was saying you know if that stuff didn't happen you know and I had just met these girls out and about running around L.A. and Hollywood I probably would really like them as people you know I probably would have fun with them but that's just not you know that's not my experience and I'm going to stay true to my experience everyone thinks that Kim and Travis had a past Well, he wrote a book. He wrote a book and he talks about like his obsession with her in the book. Meanwhile, when he was married to me. So it's like...

You didn't know that? She's like not... She doesn't hear these things in like pop culture lands. And so... I am shooketh. Because why would he marry Courtney if he like was openly obsessed? That's what we all or what... You know?

I didn't know. I just thought it was like, no, this is, yeah, crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, going back to that time period, though, I do feel like the, did you love L.A. in that time period, like the 2000s, 2010 when it was just like, I feel like that was the heyday of clubs. There was no like real, like, you know, smartphones out there to like catch your out or whatever.

Did was that, how fun was it? Like, what was your experience in the LA scene like? I mean, the 90s and the 2000s were just epic, you know? I mean, those nightclubs, we call it, you know, like the OG Hollywood like people, the crew of people, you know, it's just those are some amazing, amazing memories. It's just not like that anymore. L.A. is just not the same. You know, you would go to nightclubs.

And I talk about this in my book because I don't want it to feel like I'm name dropping in my book, But it was just like those are like the celebrities that you would just, you would see Heath Ledger and Leonardo and, you know, you would see all, you know, we were just out. We were just in the same circles. We were all just running around together, you know. So it was just this time. And every night it was just like a different club. And even, you know, Hugh Hefner and his Playboy Mansion parties and, you know, Jack Nicholson was there and Jim Carrey was there. And, you know, big A list stars were there. And now it's just, you know, I don't even know what night clubs are or what, you know, kids go. what they do. I know. Way more than me. I go out all the time. And for some reason, some people think I, like, am out all the time. I am not.

Zach Beck. I totally would. And I'm like, eh, if you can meet me in the Valley, maybe, like. And I can promise you I cannot meet you in the Valley. I know. I moved to Calabasas. Like, I was one of the first people in Calabasas before the Kardashians were there, like, everyone. And I just remember no one would drive there.

Like, it was like. It's really not that far. It really is, though. Now it's like the mecca of cool, you know, but. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, the 90s and 90s, 2000s in L.A. are really, really fun. But, you know, that, you know, the stars just don't go out like they used to because.

Yeah. Well, and people in general. And now Gen Z doesn't drink. It's like, oh. Yeah. I'm like, get it together, guys. Stop ruining the good things we handed. We handed this shit to you.

And now you. You want to ruin it. You want to ruin it. Now we have to go back out to clubs to keep it going. Exactly. Fine. I'll do the legwork if I have to. Oh, my God.

I'm going to be in L.A. next month, I'll totally go out with you and we can go like that. Oh, my God. Wait, I'll come out if you're there. Okay. Oh, wow. I'll feel like a dinosaur. We'll come out for you, but not me. I will come out for you, too, Zach.

You know that. But he normally just comes over to my house. I love it. No, you have to come out with us. It'll be so much fun. I will still go out with you. I remember my son Landon took me. It was so funny.

He took me to Barney's Beanery, you know, which... I live on that street. Yeah, which is like in the 90s, though, that was like, you know, like Johnny Depp and shit was there, you know? Yeah. Fucking cool. And I'm just like... And he was like, Mom, let's go out, you know? And I went to Barney's Beinerie.

And I was like, you guys would go to Barney's Beinerie? Like, we went to that, like, 20 years ago. This is now back in style again. Oh, yeah. And I felt like... I was the fucking cryptkeeper up in there. I was like, I felt like such a dinosaur. I felt like these kids were 12 years old.

I was like, this is so disheartening. Like, it was crazy. We just laugh at least you don't look like it. You know what I mean? You're very appreciative. But when you get the youngins around, you know, I start to look my age. Oh, my goodness. Okay, if you could do one reality TV moment over, what would it be?

Oh, God, like in my own personal career? Not in your own personal career. Oh, God. I guess I'm dancing with the stars. I was going to say, were you going to say that? Yeah, I guess when I did dancing with the stars, because I just had Alabama, she was six months old, and I wore this ugly ass, like, outfits.

I would have wore, like, bright colors and just, like, and I would have just, I would have practiced harder and more. And I don't know. I got beat by Jerry Springer, okay? Wait, I'm sorry. Oh, my God, iconic. Well, because he has like a huge ass fan being. Yes, yeah.

I was called in for him. I was like, but I loved, I loved Jerry Springer more than anything in the world. Like, that was one else. He was the smartest man I've ever spoken to. He was one of the funniest men I've ever spoken to, and he was a gentleman. And I just like, I wish the world would just know what an incredible human being he was. Like one of my favorite people I've ever met in my life. That was definitely like it was Jerry Springer and Mari.

Like if you skipped school, you were at home. That was what was on daytime television. You know what's like, and he was also, it's like it's crazy because people forget that like sometimes in reality TV or like Jerry Springer. He was the mayor of Cincinnati. Like he's very smart. He was so smart. Like, it was wild. You just felt so, like, heard.

And he, I don't know, his energy was just just a beautiful person. Yeah. Oh, I love that. So obviously, you've navigated very public relationships. Yes, clearly. What did those experiences teach you about yourself? Gosh, you know, I wish I could go back to my younger self. and just really know my value of who I am as a woman.

You know, I don't think I had low self-esteem, but I think, you know, from certain traumas from when I was younger, made me tolerate behavior that was absolutely unacceptable. And I wish that, you know, I had saw those red flags earlier and left the room. You know, I wish I had done that sooner. You know what? To add to that, I think it's so funny that you are, not funny, but it's like so apropos that you say that you didn't have low self-esteem,

but you felt a certain way. I think it was also that time period. It's like that's when Britney Spears was like harassed and you were harassed. And I feel like you were all like everybody during that time, they were painting women as these like, you know, hysterical people when really they were just living their lives and you're sensational. Yeah. I mean, and then you had people like Perez Hilton, you know, like, Oh God, the worst.

like drawing dicks on our faces and like come on our faces. It was so, you know what? I saw something where he tried to apologize and someone didn't accept his apology. And he like got like, he was like, but I apologize. And I'm like, dude, what you did to not only women, but just people. And he like had tried to out people and do all this stuff. I was like, whether it was your low self-esteem or not, like that was disgusting.

And you. It was like, if you really look at it in, in today's environment, especially if anyone to start, of doing that, you know, it's pretty crazy. And I remember, you know, when he got punched in the face, you know, and he went on, he went on his blog and was hysterically crying and was like pissed and was like, you know, and where I come from in the East Coast, like, you know, you talk shit, you get punched in the face. So, you know, that's just like what happens where I come from, you know.

And so, and I just thought that was like so Hollywood, you know, like, wow, you guys just want to like fuck other people's husbands and you know draw dicks and shit on people on women's faces and then you're like shocked when you get punched in the face but he did apologize to me publicly um you know which i accepted i thought it you know he definitely grew from it and i but you know the damage of when that was being done was i mean you you could never fix that yeah so did you punched per cent on the face. I did. Yes, I did.

I just told you you don't fuck other people's husband. No, I know. You can't. I was, I was like debating whether I was going to go there or not. But you said, I'm about punch in the face. And I was like, this is my opportunity to slide this. What happened? Well, she originally, when I separated from my fiance, Oscar, she had an affair

with him. and she and I had words over Oscar. And then when Travis and I first kind of, we were so married, but we separated, she had an affair with him. I was like, okay. I was like, so, you know, two times, you're like, you get away with it.

I gave you a warning the first time and the second time we're going to, you know, we're going to go at it. Holy hell. But I talk about all of my stories, Don't worry. It's all in my book. Thank God. I can't wait. I'm honestly, I cannot wait to read this book. Please send me a copy. I'll buy one too, but like, but like, absolutely. I talk about everything. The unpublished manuscript like yesterday. Yes, I talk about like every facet of my life from pageantry to Miami, New York, L.A.

My relationships with Oscar, Travis, you know, even now with my boyfriend, Greg. And it's not a book to slander anybody. It's not, I'm not trying to degrade anybody. It's just a book about like my point of view from, you know, and the lessons I've learned because my fan base is a lot of divorced women, women who are going through divorces, women who have been in narcissistic abuse relationships. So I want this book to be something that inspires and empowers women, you know, through trauma. So it's definitely, I talk about things, but I'm talking about it from my point of

view because I feel like I was silenced for so many years from the machine. And so that's what it's about. So I just want to make sure no one thinks like it's not going to, you know, I'm, yeah, I think we need to make it clear. This stuff that, like, majority that we're talking about is from years ago. Yeah, absolutely. And it's been years and years. You've grown your different person now. Like, absolutely. Except I'd still hit somebody. that would do that. So I'm right there with you. I don't know if I'm from. If you've been listening to this podcast for a while or following me on

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Well, the first thing is leaving is leaving. So, you know, that's very difficult for women to do, you know. And but it doesn't matter if you leave a month, a year when you leave. That is like the first step, no contact, right? Like going no contact. And I think it's important for women to understand. you might break no contact. You might have a moment of weakness, but that's okay. Like, try again. Try again. I had to try four times going no contact before I really went no contact. Yeah.

And, you know, and, and that is, that is key. But if you want your life, if you want the life that you, you dream about, you're never going to get it until you do that no contact. I mean, like, I look back and I really think if I had stayed where I was, I would have probably been really hurt. Like I, you know, I probably would have been, and this is where a lot of women, you know, I mean, it's a, it's a statistic that women, when they do try to leave is when the majority of them get really hurt by their abusers or get killed. So it's, it's not even like a, you know, a romanticizing love or the relationship you've created in your head that doesn't exist. It's, it's, it's, it's, you're going to lose your life if you don't go no contact and you're never going to have the life you dream of if you stayed with a person that doesn't love you. I think that's, you know,

hard for a lot of women. Like you, you fantasize this future. Yes. Like dreaming that you were going to have. And it's a death, you know, it's a death.

It's like a fear. Yeah, your morning like it. Yeah. Yeah. It's mourning something that, but you know what? It was never there to begin with.

Right. Right. You know, it just it wasn't. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This.

As you said, I had to stay. silent because I'm, I just like, I was talking about, in general, in general. Well, yeah, yeah. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, you know, if you're in the public eye or you live in a boat, you know, like a little town, sometimes living in those small towns where every neighbor knows every neighbor's business is even harder, you know, like, you know, I, all my shit is out in the open, you know, like you can't blackmail me. My, you can Google my vagina. I don't care. You know, like, it's like, it's like. It's, like, it's, like, I. Like, you know, I don't, there's nothing I'm hiding. So, but I do care about women getting, you know, and it's another thing and not to like harp on that, but it's learning to like love ourselves again and like forgiving ourselves for allowing, like for me the hardest thing was like, why did I put myself in a place with someone to treat me like that? Like what was wrong with me? I really had to figure out like why I allowed it and forgive myself for that. And that was really hard.

Well, and it's because I feel like a lot of times it's like you think that way, but it's like it's actually that other person's manipulation and tactics that you didn't even know were going on behind the scene. Oh, yeah. Oh, and they're good at it. You know, they're so good. And they're usually so charming that they've already pre like proactively thought about how to turn

everybody else and make you look like the crazy one. Yeah. I was actually going to do. Yeah. I was going to do this post now. But it's a picture. and it's unflattering. It's a picture that my abuser took of me,

and it's called reactive abuse, right? When they make you like so crazy that you finally flip a shit, right? I know. And my guy would film me and take pictures of me. And you can see him in the corner, just very calm and letting me. And I'm like, like losing my mind.

Yeah. And I'm going to, you know, I'm going to post it because I think a lot of women are ashamed of that. but it's like they're good at pushing you to the point where you lose it and then record it. And then they're going to go show your friends, your family, everybody else and go, look how crazy she is. Look at her. Just look at her.

She's nuts. This is what I have to put up with this. You know? And I think that's scary. And it's like the, yeah, like the one time that. Yeah, the one time you're going to blow after the abuse for so long. Yeah. Well, I love that you wrote a book.

I'm so excited. I'm so excited that you have a podcast. I mean, I could go on talking with you for so much longer. I have a couple questions that fans wrote in. Okay. I'm going to ask this one. This is from Kramer, Chris Kirsten. Do you think that Travis has cheated on court me?

I do not, no. Okay, good. I do not. No. I don't. Yeah. I was starting to ask that one. I'm like, I do like the Kardashians, too, but I love you and getting to

know you more. I'm like, oh my gosh, like your story is so inspiring. Inspiring and amazing. So, you know, I think two things can be true at one time, meaning like maybe they are doing good now. And a lot of, you know, on TikTok, a lot of people are like, oh, like he's cheated on her. Like, you won, you won. That's not a victory for me. You know, seeing another woman have that done to her, you know, so, but I don't think that's the case now. Okay. Good. that's a that's good yeah that's great because you're in a happy relationship i feel like you have healed so much right yeah oh 100% yeah a lot of a lot of work a lot of inner work that i had to do

okay if you could be on any reality tv show what would it be i'm gonna guess real housewise of girl i do want to do that i really do want to do that but i want to go on traitors No, yes, everybody. Everybody says traitors. Listen, come on with us. We'll all three go on together. I want to do it so bad. Yes.

Would you guys want to be a traitor or a, or, you know, like a faithful? A faithful. You go first. I think I, I mean, I think if I was a traitor, you would see right through it because Or are people going to think I'm a traitor just because my, like, if, Yeah. That got a good point last time we talked about the traders. Other people that come on the show might not know you as a TV personality.

They might not know how you are. They might not watch your show. And I am like a well-known laffer. Like I laugh all the time and I giggle all the time, whether I'm uncomfortable, whether I'm happy, whether like we could be saying a prayer and I might look at my friend and laugh. Like that's just who I am. So somebody might be on the traders and they're like thinking, I'm turning. out of, I'm doing something out of pocket, but really. Right, right, right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So faithful for you. I don't know if I could be a traitor and like really keep up a lie that good. I, um, am actually actively training myself to try to be a traitor right now. Yeah. Because I, I, I don't lie. But, yeah, you could be a traitor because it's for a show. Right.

And I, and I, and I can learn to act. And I'm, I'm learning how not to smile and do all those things. I'm literally playing. I have like a, uh, uh, group of gamers and we play this game that's similar to traders and I'm learning like literal I'm actually training right now okay I'm gonna go in I know basically playing like Dungeons and Dragons or something similar but yes I could be either and I would be happy what about you um I think I could be either and I'd be happy but I would really like to be a traitor like I think I would be very good at

it so yeah I mean you're doing it for a purpose it's not like you're a miller deliciously being a mean. Well, I look at it like an acting job. Yeah. Exactly. I can act like a, like a person, you know, like a, like a, it would be like an acting gig. Are you watching the current season? No, I haven't.

I wanted to wait until it's finished because then I binge watch it. I like doing that too. Okay, well, then I won't give away anything, but let's just say if I was going to be in a trader triad, like, you know, in a threesome, my thing is I would say, listen, the only way we're getting to the end is on a. amongst thieves. Like, you can lie to everybody else, but let's not lie to each other to try to get the best. And I feel like a lot of times the traders just can't keep it together. But how would you know who was lying to you? Well, you'll find out real quick. Yeah. So really fast, because I know you did a lot

of like acting jobs in your career as well. You were on friends, right? I wasn't on friends. I was on the spin-off Joey. Joey, okay, Joey. Because I was like looking at him. He was like, Joey giving you an award. Which was like, that was actually the same studio where they filmed for it. Yes. And Joey's iconic. It was so cool. And my dressing room was Jennifer Aniston's old dressing room. Oh, my God. It was just like the coolest acting gig I ever did. It was so fun. What was one of your favorites that you, one of your favorite acting gigs that you got to do?

One of my favorites, you know, I loved Pacific Blue. I was a series regular. It was just so much fun. We filmed in Venice. We were like bike cops and people would think we were like real cops and come up to them. Because we were like in uniforms, you know. But it was like that was such a fun, a fun time. So, you know, and Mario Lopez was on that with me. Yeah. We had so much fun when we did Dancing with the Stars together. So yeah. It's really fun. On Dancing with the Stars? I got voted off like the second week. I got so screwed. That's why I'm like, I need a re- We need a redemption. We need a redemption. I do. Or I would love to go back to Celebrity Big Brother. I felt like I got a little screwed on that, too.

I got a lot of people that wrote in that said that they loved you on that show. Yeah, it was really fun. I had a good time. If you had to pick one reality TV star right now, who would be your favorite? Oh, gosh. Oh, my God. I don't know. I watch so much. I don't know. I don't know. I'm going to have to come back to you on that. one. I mean, you. Yeah. There are a lot of reality TV personalities out there right now. Okay.

Can you please tell everyone where to find you or to listen to your podcast, your Instagram, all that good stuff? Yes, absolutely. I would love, love, love for you guys to tune in. You can go to the WickedPodewood Awesome Podcast.com. We're on Spotify, Apple, Amazon, like, share, leave a review. I would love that. You can go to my Instagram.

Everything's just at Shana Mocle. at Shana Mokler for Shana Mokler 3 on TikTok at Shana Mokler and official Shana Mokler on Facebook for my older Gen X people out there. Yeah, all that good stuff. And wait a second. So you're Shannon Mokler 3 on TikTok? Yeah, someone's still my name. So I'm the Zach Wickham on TikTok because there was some Gen Z person that got Zach Wickham. And I'm Zach Wickham on everything else and, you know, whatever. And I was so angry when I had to be the Zach Wickham on. That's what I had to do on my Facebook.

I had to get an official Shane a mocha. They want like five grand to give it back. Like they're like, you give me five grand. And I'm like, I'll just put a the. You're like whatever. Like road to do that. That's whatever my son was born. Oh yeah.

They tried to take all of them. Like, try to take like his first name, his middle name, like everything. So you have to even announce your name. You have to start getting those. things because whenever he grows up, I want him to be able to have. I have like two new companies coming out. One's like a health and wellness where I'm selling like hormones and peptides and GLP.

And I went and like it's called Hello Foxy and I went and bought like every. All of it. Yeah. You have to because people are gray, and just trying to get you. Yeah. Me too. Is there anything else that you would like to say like a misconception about

yourself that you would like to clear up? No, I mean, if you heard something. about me, you can go back and hear it again. You can add a little to it. I love that. That's the best attitude to have with that, too. Because it's like, why do we care what you think? We don't care what other people think, you know?

Yeah. I sleep very well at night knowing that my children, my man, his kids, God, you know, knows the truth. And that's kind of, you know, all you can do. So I'm sorry, there's like a literal buzzsaw in the back. It's all right. She's not construction going on again. Also, do you know when the book comes out yet?

I'm hoping to get it launched in the next like 30 days. I'm talking to like a couple publishing houses, but I don't know if I want to go with publishing houses or just publish it myself. Well, good luck, girl. We want it. We want to. We want to. Yes, I will be.

I'm very proud of it. It's been so amazing talking to you. Thank you so much for coming on when reality hits. When you come to L.A., make sure you can. Me and Zach up. Absolutely. I'm so excited. All right, thanks everybody for tuning

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