When Reality Hits with Jax and Brittany - Scheana Shay & Brock Davies!

Episode Date: May 30, 2023

It's time for Scheananigans! Vanderpump veteran Scheana Shay and her hubby Brock Davies swing by to talk about part one of the reunion, how tense it was on set, navigating the reunion with a restraining order, Scheana's current relationships with the Toms and Lisa, did Rachel just want more TV time? what they saw between Sandoval and Rachel in Mexico, AND MUCH MORE!!! When Reality Hits is brough to you by ZocDoc! Go to Zocdoc.com/reality and download the Zocdoc app for FREE!

Welcome back everybody. Thanks for listening to When Reality hits with Jackson Brittany. Today we have two of our best friends. We're so excited. We have Sheena Shea and Brock Davies here. Hi. Hello, the Vanna Pumperool stars in the building. Brock will be running in here any second. Yeah, he's running a little late. We have had so much car trouble with my Z. It's been 14 years. I think we just call it a day with that. Oh, it was the Z.

Yeah, the Z. I thought it was your explorer. I was like, what is going on? Oh, no, that car is fine. You know, okay, really fast. One funny story about a Z. My mom had a, what are they? 350 or 360?

Uh-huh. And before I got my license, I took it for a joy ride. This was so bad. And me and my best friend ran 100% through the house in the seat car. My gosh, because it went so fast. I know. So I was not used to that. Did you even have my license yet, Rand, straight through a freaking house? And the car, the car was in the kitchen. The car was all the way touching my closet. I mean, we went through a window, the air conditioning unit was like on top of me.

I couldn't get the top down. Thank God. Or else we could have, like, who knows what could have happened to us two by fours. Everything came down. Anyways, that was crazy. But I know what everybody wants to hear is some inside scoop about the reunion. Let's get right into it. Yeah.

I like your car story. I have good stories, Brittany. about the reunion. That was right into it. Yeah. I don't know what you want to talk about. I was your car story. And I'm like, you think I have good stories, Brittany. The stories I've heard about you and Kentucky and in your college days are fantastic. Oh my gosh. I know I've already told everybody about me breaking my tooth at the beach.

And I'm telling them about my car story. I mean, I was a train wreck. There's more. Oh, there's much, much more. So a lot of people were wondering, and so was I, was there something that happened at the reunion that didn't air, like during your part that you were on?

Was there some tuning stuff? I don't know, Jeff, because we've only seen one part. I haven't seen the other two parts yet. But like from that first part, where you had to like switch off with, we're kill. Here's the thing, every year when we film a reunion, I like emotionally block out of.

Yeah. I got home, my mom goes, how was it? And I'm like, I don't remember. Just say, what do you mean you don't remember? You just filmed it. I'm like, honestly, I can't even think of the conversations we had because it's just so much. It's so much.

It's so intense. You know, it's like the longest day of the year. Yeah. So. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It right to the bar. Yeah. Yeah. The bar for sure. Right. So exhausting, emotionally, mentally, physically, those reunions are brutal. Yeah. And they're and people don't understand these three parts. They're eight hour, they do it, shoot it usually one day. So it's like eight hours days of just emotionally draining. It's emotionally draining. It really, really, it really

is. And yeah, I feel like with this reunion, I think too with them doing stuff on Peacock, I can't remember which they showed on Peacock that they didn't show on Bravo because someone I saw come and they go, oh, there's more Shina in the Peacock version. But when I watched it last night, I'm like, I don't remember more.

But then I guess there was more. So I mean, there's so many people that it's hard to, you know, and I, I mean, I will be honest. I feel like Lisa was like holding you back. You guys back a lot. Don't get me started on this. I mean, I kind of kept my mouth shut. Yeah. Yeah. Even when Lala came back at me with the, I don't like the bully comment.

We're not in pre-K. We're in bravo. I actually got irritated with her in that moment for saying that. Oh, yeah. But then SantaVal said something like kind of on my behalf and then they started fighting and I was just like, I'm not even getting to know. I don't have the energy. She's one of my best friends that comment really annoyed me, but I'm not getting into it even though it's my job to get into it now. You're like, I can't handle it.

Santa Vol chimed in. I was like, I mean, he's saying what I wanted to say. But I was like, he's like, right now, he's just, you know, trying to find a good friend. He's trying to find a, somebody that's close that's gonna side with him, you know? So he's gonna agree with you. She's not gonna be the one. Yeah, but I was like, I mean, yeah, I do agree.

There's no age when it comes to bullying. So I was like, he said that, but then she started barking at him and I was like, I'm just gonna be quiet. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I and I was like, I'm just gonna be quiet. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I think it was like absolutely nuts. James was about to like beat the shit out of don't say it alone. Literally what you didn't see or hear, I thought, because I was like even looking at subtitles,

when James came over and they're about to fight, I was like, we don't need any more restraining orders on this show, you guys. Come on, let's all learn from me. Can you imagine if somebody tried to do that after that reunion or something? You know, you never know. I didn't know if I was gonna get arrested at it

because like, what if I wasn't within the hundred, I was, I was so afraid. How did you guys, like from behind the scenes point of view, how did they have you to like not be around each other? They literally had a trailer measured, minimum minimum 100 if not more than 100 yards away. And they actually measured it. And they were able to orchestrate it where she was in the trailer when I was on stage. And then they put her in a car and drove her this way while they put me in a car and drove me this way.

So we never saw a necessary. And so waste like was production pissed that they had to do all this extra It was so it was so annoying they became a part in time where I was like am I even gonna be able to go? Yeah, if I can't get it guaranteed we're gonna be within the restraining order dynamics. I'm chancing Like I could go to jail. I just go worst case scenario. Yeah. My OCD was on a 10.

Oh, I can only imagine how you were. And I was like, maybe I just don't, maybe I just do it. It was like so much and poor production just having to deal with that. Yeah. It was like all her fault. And I'm so, I'm kind of upset that like I'm sure other people are going to agree with me that we didn't get to see you on stage with both of them. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Because you were probably the closest to both of them, you know, at together other than Ariana, like. No, totally. You're the reason I even kind of knew Raquel, because I didn't really hang out with her unless I was around you. Yeah. So I know that hurt you really bad as well. No, it did.

And the thing was though, I was honestly glad that day with how it worked out because of the restraining order and because of just all of the hatred that was building up inside of me. It was like, I didn't even wanna have that conversation with her that day. I wanted it to be a one-on-one right after the incident happened in New York.

I wanted to sit down with her one-on-one. And when I wasn't able to do that because she just dipped out and didn't, you know, didn't even do more. So I didn't have that opportunity that when it came to the reunion, I'm like, I don't want this to be our first interaction with the peanut gallery chiming in with everyone. It was just like. So now that everything's dropped, do you think that you guys will ever talk? Has she ever reached out to Paul? She's never reached out. She's never apologized. I've not heard a one thing from her sense that night in New York when I walked away from

her. Oh my gosh. Nothing. You know that she also only reached out to Ariana and sent her that shitty text because Janet told her Rick Hell saying nothing is still saying something like you need to at least say something. That was like Janet's last conversation with her. But that's the only reason she even text our own to be out with. Oh my gosh.

Oh my goodness. You know what? I'm going to just get it right in this because this is what annoyed me the most is I can say this because I don't care, but Lisa annoyed me. She annoyed me. I'm sorry. She I understand she has to be somewhat neutral in this and she is not around for 99.9% of that show. Okay, she's not. She taps in when she wants to, which is mainly the reunion.

That's at least when I was on the show. She shows up when she wants, but then I mean, I just felt that she was siding with Tom. I just felt like she was siding with him a little bit and she was kind of trying to, I don't know, be devil's advocate a little bit, but I just feel like she was signing with Tom, and it really annoyed me, because she never did that with me when I was on the show. She went against me like crazy.

You weren't her business partner though, also. You were just a cast member. I know, but I just feel like she was just... Not saying it's okay, but just, I think that's the difference. Yeah. Is she's feeling like, she's probably feeling like her businesses

are getting attacked. And they weren't. Yeah. So you think that like she's probably feeling like her businesses are getting attacked and they weren't. Yeah. You know, I mean, so you think that's the reason why she was side because you did it. Didn't it like because I saw it definitely bothered Lala. Lala was. Yeah. And I was like, yes, growing up because I felt like at the time, I was the only one that would actually give it back to Lisa. So it was nice to see Lala do that. And I loved it. I'm like, because at the end of the day, you know, she kind of treats us as little kids sometimes and I'm like, we're at grown adults, okay? And you know, so I just it was nice to see Lala kind of come in it, but I'm not gonna lie. It really annoyed me that

that Lisa was, I don't know, did you feel like it was a little bit in his corner? I think she also just and not defending anything, but I feel like she felt like it was literally everyone against him because it was and she needed some sort of seeing the other side to try and keep the conversation going. Like, I think there was more to it than her just trying to blindly defend them because this behavior was indefensible. And I think as you see parts two and three, you'll see more of that side of Lisa because she wasn't all just like pro-tom that day. Yeah,

as I said, she barely is on the show. So when she kind of gives her like opinion, I'm like, you're not even there. You have no idea what's going on. And it just it just irks me sometimes. I know she gets notes or whatever. She'll get like a daily it says, okay, this is what's going on, but then she'll put her two cents in and it's just kind of like, okay, you're not ever around like enough. I think she too was still trying to see like, okay, well, this is a person who, you know,

has worked for me for so long who I'm in business with and like, I'm still gonna see like, I normally do still seeing the good in that person, even though the person did a bad thing. I felt like she was just trying as hard as she could to be like, I know he must up. But like, remember, you know, the last 12 years of friendship and I, she said this to me and I was like, Lisa, but I can't move forward in this friendship. Right. I guess too much has happened. Yeah. It's like a betrayal. Yeah.

It's too much. I'm sorry. Like, I draw the line somewhere. It's very rare. I draw a betrayal. It's too much. I'm sorry. I draw the line somewhere. It's very rare. I draw a line. But when I do, I'm like, I can. That's what that scene was sandable was so heartfelt and heartbreaking because I genuinely, I was like, I will miss you. The person you were to me, I'm going to miss that person. I know.

And this kind of leads into this other question that I had in my head. Is there a world where I mean time or whatever where you would ever Forgive Tom is there a time is it good? I mean is it gonna take years? Is it gonna take months? Whatever is there a world where you can be like okay? I can kind of maybe move past this or is this completely done? I mean, I think Ariana is Priority here, you know and how she feels moving forward with him. If there was a day where she wakes up and realizes, I mean, I think Shari has that this was the best thing

to ever happen to her. And if she chooses to forgive him, I think that will make it easier for others. But I don't see anyone forgiving him before she does if she ever will. Yeah, you know. So I've chosen my side. She is one of my best, bestest friends. I know what she needs.

And I'm going to give that to her. Yeah. If that means I lose sand, a little, then you know what, sand, a little goodbye. You did a bad thing. Yeah. And these are the consequences. It really fucking sucks.

Yeah. He did it to you. You did. He did it to everybody. And it was just the level of betrayal. Like, I don't know if anybody can come back from that. Like, he would try to you. He would try to Ariana.

The thing, it would try to everybody. One time thing, you know, it was going on for so long. Right in front of your old noses, too. Yeah, so it's like, I mean, if Ariana one day chooses to forgive, you know, maybe she just chooses to move past it, be indifferent, not care. Yeah. That's a different conversation, but I don't. I agree with you. But watching that scene with you and saying of all was really rough, and, you know, especially when he was trying to say that she was going to kill herself. But I hate it's so hard to even talk about this stuff because mental health is so important.

But I could not believe that he said that. Whenever she and her and Sandoval were talking and he said that he would try to break up with her and she said she was going to kill herself. I don't know. I don't even remember what my reaction was to that moment. When he said that and we're filming. Yeah, that's exactly it.

But that stuff happened. I lost my shit on him. Like that was so hard to watch. That's what I was screaming at him. I was like,, that's exactly what that stuff happened. I lost my shit on him. Like, that was so hard to watch. That's what I was screaming at him. I was like, if that's the case, then you fly in her mom. Yeah. For brother, you bring your best friends, you fucking leave. Yes.

You do the right thing. You don't fuck her friends. No. Like, he just made things a million times worse, but like, I could not believe that he so publicly said that. I know. Like, how dare you? No, that isn't putting someone else's mental health

like that out there in that way is not okay. No, what if that conversation happened or didn't or whatever? That was not your place to say. Yeah. I was so mad at him. Yeah, that was like heartbreaking to say. That was one of like the toughest sains

I think of the whole season. Yeah. Cause that was just like really, really sad. You've been stewing about a health problem you have. You almost resort to texting your group chat to get your friends' opinions. I've done that. Actually, I have a group chat with my best friends from back home

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he's like having car trouble. Dad mode, dad mode, that's best. So parents, even though we don't have a kid. You know, sometimes we bring crews to the studio, or the way around here. But that's a token, Santa Maul move. That's a deflection. He loves deflection, and he knows how he does the butt.

Butt, he can't just say, you know what? I screwed up, I messed up, I'm gonna do this. He has to do this, but this but. That's what he does. He can't, he can't just hold up. Like, like, like, like, I know I say like a lot, but I say like a lot too. I know it's the most annoying thing too.

And you have a podcast and people are like, can you do it? I know, I'm like, no, no. I know. I just said it again. I know. And now it's all I'm gonna be able to hear is me saying like crap. We'll rock, I'm not. I know. I just said it again. I know. And now it's all going to be able to hear is me saying like crap. Well, Brock, welcome. Welcome.

First of all, I did not see you part of the first part of the reunion. What did you think about all this? Like, what was your thoughts on all this? I know you are Tom Sandeval's friend before this, you know. So we're. We need to know Brock's thoughts. Yeah.

We're you stand on all this. I'm obviously you stand with your wife too, but what's your opinion on us? I feel like my opinion in this whole situation isn't really an opinion because I am you to the group, right? And when this came out, I've been around for three, three and a half years. So I was like, is this normal? Like what's got?

I didn't understand like the actual overall of it. I feel like that's the. I feel like that's the top thing for anyone that comes in this group is this normal. Yeah. That's the new merch. Yeah. Because like, no, new merch is dropping is this normal. It's anybody who comes into this group within the last 10 years. Allie, me, and everybody goes, is this normal? I think that's our new merch. Well, let's let's let's let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's hold. Let's, let's, let's hold. Let's, let's, let's, let's hold. Let's, let's, let's, let's hold.

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Let's hold. Let's hold. Let's hold. Let's hold's a different question. And regal. How did I feel about that topic? Yeah. Because for me what affected me more was actually the friendships with Sheena, with SantaVall and regal Rachel. Okay. And that was for me it was just frustrating because I just see my girlfriend, my girlfriend, now wife always put herself out there and just get walked over by people and then so her closest to to betray her. It's just hard to see. So then all I can really do is just step back and just try and support her because it was hard for her to express her feelings because again, her friend just hadn't had, I don't know, was had in the fair. So it was very,

it was such a good, all I could do for that whole thing was just step back, take myself out of it and just support her. So I did that. My opinion doesn't matter. It's not that I'm asking you opinion. It matters. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it, I mean, when, when, when, when there's a fair and a fair is an issue. You know, I want off too off. You got to nip it in the butt or you got to earn up to it. All they need to do is shut the fuck out, like you just said, and just say, this is what happened, and that's it. And what they think was going to happen to this day, I was going to stay friends with

both of them after they did this to Ariana. And it had lined to me. And just everything, I'm like, did you think we were gonna just stay friends? And the way she told you to, like wasn't it so very like nonchalant? Like, Brittany, it was wild. Like, just zero expression. That zero, more or anything.

It was just like you know, in blueless when she runs over the course like, oops, my bad. Oh my God. That's like perfect. That was. Yeah. Oh my God. Something wrong upstairs with her or do you think she's just

extremely. Trusted or smart. I think it could be a combination of a lot of things to be honest. I've gone back and forth with is she dumb or is she very calculated? Yeah, I can't, not like, is, you know, we're now I'm getting like, she could be very calculated. So, in the beginning it was like, gosh, she's an idiot.

But now, do you guys watch Euphoria? Yeah. Yeah, we love you. So, someone text me today about a theory they have about Rachel. What? Because she was a massive euphoria fan and Sydney Swiney's character sleeps with her boss friend's man.

And literally, this is what played out on Vanderpump rules. Oh my god. In her sick, twisted, calculated mind, she was like, I want to be like Sydney Swiney. That was actually a question from Jessica Lynn. Does Rachel actually love Sanable or did she just want a bigger story lawn? Because by the way, I think she's capable of real love.

Yeah. And let's go back on your first question, but the question is before I generally felt that Raquel has an issue. And it's not and it's not that she's calculated. She just doesn't know herself. And she doesn't know issue. And it's not that she's calculated, she just doesn't know herself. And so she's trying to find herself through relationships, through people, because I feel like, and this is given to her, when she was born, she was given up by her mother and raised by her mother's sister. And then she was raised by these two women knowing that her mom did that, right? So that's where I'm trying to get into her mind Yeah, I don't think she's this calculated because it's just consistently just falling over herself

I think it is just naive Struppity and also abandonment from that She's getting help I mean and that and I'm not trying to like sugar code that but no When there is when it's discontinuous, you're like, well, this is a pattern. Yeah. And why are you on it? And I had such a soft spot for her because we knew how she was raised. Yeah.

All of those issues she had with her family dynamic and. But she's old enough now not to. Not to know. Yeah, not to act on it. Yeah. So it's like, I mean, I definitely always thought she was so nice. I would have never saw this coming. I mean, I just was like, what the actual hill is happening here?

No. It was just, that's what it was. Four point one million people. Four point one million viewers. Oh my gosh. If anything good came from this, it's that the ratings went way. Right? I think it was just a reminder that you guys are part of pop culture.

For 10 years, regardless of people want to be, oh, reality. For 10 years, people have watched you in the side corner of the right, in their house cooking food. Honey, what are you watching? Oh, yeah, watch this with you. People have watched for 10 years. Yeah, I know. And it was just like a whole reminder like, oh, actually, we do love these people.

Yeah, and it got so big that people who never had even heard of the show started watching. Oh, no, and I mean, many people have binge 10 seasons in the last three months. Even we were getting a new fans, I'm like, all right. I know. I'm back on season two, and I'm on season one now. I'm just, oh my gosh, people are diving asking me. Yeah. I mean, is it just me or are you guys pissed off too that Tom and Rachel are not even together?

Here's the thing. Are they not? Are they not? They're not. They're not. They're not. They're not. I was reading up on that because I mentioned it to me and I was like, oh, it looks like

I Billy Lee. Oh, really? I think he was watching the blonde hair. He was like the Ariana. Yeah. Billy Lee. I don't know. But I just the thing, what if you know Rachel had a conversation with Santa

Vol where he thinks they were broken up, but then she's been in therapy in this facility and for the last couple of weeks, she like thinks they're still together, but then he's like, I don't know. Rachel cannot handle the pressure that's come her way. Yeah. And she has no idea, neither of them did, none of us did, and she cannot handle that. And then on top of that, then she's having the lie because they're trying to get their story straight. Yeah. And then they're trying to cover up and then have a restraining order and and and and

process. Yeah, like this woman has no, she's made no decisions by herself. And she continues to do that. Okay. So then how? Why does she also continue sending because it was a postcard. It wasn't a fucking closed envelope. It was because she wanted you guys to read it. You kidding me?

Wait, what? She sent a postcard to Tom and Ariana's house and she's like, it's been sending letters and stuff. Yeah. She said no, she sent a letter. And Ariana sees the letter with, you know, two send a letter. No, it's her. Okay, but she can't open it to legal.

But then the mother fucker has the audacity to go Okay, once that further have been an absolute twat and right to postcard with The postcard was Sedona I don't know about the board a lot of Sedona and then she said she sent a postcard not it search there for her to read yeah That is calculated and that is Wait, hold on did she send this after Ariana publicly said on watch what happens live? Yes, yeah, she couldn't read it because it was in an envelope

Do you have access to your phone are you watching TV? Yeah, in a facility right now. But then her account was watching Bravo's IG live last week. What? But she was hacked. It was somebody else. It was her team. Those were responses.

Oh my gosh. What is this world that we look at? That's what I'm saying. Things like that happen. And I'm like, are you dumb or was that calculated? Oh my god. Because it sounds calculated. But it also sounds as really slow. Yeah. I mean, it's like definitely a mixture. Yeah. Wow. I came in hot. I'm Lola and I'm Megan. And we're the hosts of Trust Me. Colts, Extreme Belief and Minipulation. We both have childhood cult experiences and we're here to

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Where do you stand with Tom Schwartz right now? How do you feel about him right now? Do you still talk to him? I don't know how I feel about him. And I literally said that to his face when I saw him at Tom Tom last week. We had some friends in town or my cousins and he had some friends from San Diego. We were at Tom Tom and I ran into him and he's like, do you hate me? And I go, Tom, honestly, I don't know how I feel about me right now. The puppy dog routine.

The best thing I can say. That's what I've said. The innocent, it's at the whole like, you know, Tom, I love the guy I do. He plays the, oh, it's Tom and that and that. But do you do you think he is at fault for a lot of this? I wouldn't say a lot, but part of it. Yeah, I think I still don't think we know the exact timeline. He knows I didn't even get into right at the reunion. I know. I love when Lala goes, oh, did you not get your story? That was August. What? Yeah. You see Tom just like, he's like, what did I say? What did I say? And he's like, I said January earlier. You know, yeah. She's not a liar. He's not. But then again, I like, I feel like he did know before she was wedding because I see I don't I do believe that he found out after

okay because he's because he's probably doesn't pay attention you know the main because we all assume that when we see them a public that when we see them at events together like oh it's normal you know yeah and I think I do think he was he was there but then he was bamboozled by the fact that he spoke to him is like welcome and love this is happening and he's like well first off he wasn't love he was like this happened apparently right right so I feel like she was like, we're coming love. This is happening. And he's like, well, first off, he wasn't in love. It was like this happened apparently, right? So I feel like she was like, well, bro, like, broke out here, put your hand here and figure it out. And then he just got whipped into this.

Yeah. I don't believe that from, Sandra will telling him about the one night stand till mid-January, I don't believe that in those for in a half months, that Schwartz never saw anything weird. I don't believe that. Yeah, so that was a ski trip. You know, that was, that Schwartz never saw anything weird. I don't believe that. Yeah, so that's where.

There was a ski trip. You know, that was, that was mid-delete January. Yeah, so that's what, I'm like, you guys were doing this. You were like double dating when we were down in San Diego for Santa Valls show. It was Rick Hell's birthday weekend. And she was like, they're hanging out with Joe.

And I haven't seen Joe in years. I forgot who Joe even was. Because she was always around Kristen. And I'm like, just disappeared. Yeah, I'm just gonna ask you a question. What was the room like when I haven't seen Joe in years. I forgot who Joe even was because she was always around Kristen and I just Disappeared. Yeah, I was gonna ask you a question. What was the room like when Joe and Kristen were in the room because Oh, I've been in the room with one of them together Yeah, and it's a lot Well, you know, I heard that with friends. I was like how the fuck was that happening? We called Joe Kristen 2.0 No crazier than yeah, she's like check. He's like he's full. Yeah

Joe Kristen 2.0 no crazier than yeah, she's like she's like crazy people. Yeah, yeah, Kristen's crazy friends. Yeah, yeah, I put them in a room together. That was my question. Listen, she was always nice. She was very nice person. Very nice. But if you got like stuck in the kitchen with her, you're like, oh shit. I don't know how you're talking bad about people because you know, was not bad. She's very kind but it's very a lot. You're like, you're gonna stop. Is there a question coming? Is this gonna finish? Are we just gonna keep going like this? She texted me last week and she said, Jacks, you know, I've never done anything mad. You can you please stop talking about me on your socials? It's not bad. Not bad. You're an intense person. Yeah, I am too. But the thing is Schwartz was hanging out with Joe for that entire time up until literally February as far as I know, maybe they're still hanging out.

I don't know. I don't know. But we're getting two different stories from both of them. I asked him directly, Tom, is this your girlfriend? He said no. Now, if you ask her, it's his boy, her boyfriend. She told my publicist, Laurie, that they are dating. They are holding hands. That was back over. But they weren my publicist, Lori, that they are dating. They are holding

hands. But they weren't being together. Yeah, that's great. I stuck with people too that I wasn't dating. Right. Yeah. But you didn't. She didn't. I just think definitely from end of August to mid-January, Schwartz had to have seen there was still something going on. He knows his best friend. I don't believe that he thought it was just one time and then all of a sudden recently it came back up. Yeah. So it's like with him, you know, it's tough because he's guilty by association.

Yeah. He was dragged into this, but not my- He was like using the button I was speaking up, but that's not as kind of a joke. We're hating him for his character, but that's what he does. And like a stepfather was a grown man. Like it's not his play.

Like the fact that he got thrown in this a little bit between, he's kind of between a rock and a hard place because well, it's his business partner, not only his business partner, and it's his best friend. What, what was he supposed to do? Yes, you should tell this person, or I'm gonna tell it, that's the right thing. Maybe he should have just given a deadline.

Like, yeah, Valentine's Day coming up. If you don't tell her by Valentine's Day, I'm going in February 15th. Well, there's too much on the line here. We got a business, you know, our friendship. There's just too much going on. They needed to be a growing up conversation between those two men. Of course, there's definitely

going to be a better attitude. And it didn't happen. And now they're in this position. I think, you know, in time, if they both shut their mouths, keep their heads down, things are going to work out slowly. Yeah.

Slowly. If it stops saying, but and stop saying, like, and stop giving us out slowly. Yeah. Yeah. So lowly. But stop saying but and stop saying like and stop giving us bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. Just because in this group, everyone's everyone's in this group. You could do some fucked up shit and everyone will forgive you eventually. Yeah. Yeah. Because you know what? That's what you guys do on national television. You grow and you learn. This is just a really tough thing to come back. Yeah.

This is a different situation. I agree with She with. Yeah, this is a different situation. I agree with Sheena. It's worse. It's further because they did it like right behind your old back. I know. That's like, what's so bad about it. You think they got away with it like

at the end of the season? Yeah. We were clamping with it. Yeah. I know. And you know, they are butt though behind the scene. No, literally you guys.

So I just realized this last night when we were watching the show. So Rachel was supposed to share a room You guys so I just realized this last night when we were watching the show so Rachel was supposed to share a room with Jenny Ting at the wedding Literally day of they get to the hotel and she tells Jenny Ting You can't stay in my room after all production won't let you and Jenny was like what am I supposed to, and she already paid for that. Jenny knows production. She gets this and she said to Raquel Rachel, uh, make sure Bravo knows like production knows and I'm staying in your room. Make sure. And she's the one who pays the only one and she's going by herself to beat and our wedding with

Raquel. Yeah, her husband's gonna make it. And her husband was like, make sure, because I know how this works, that you're okay to stand that room. And then they land in Mexico at the airport. This is. Right. The airport, by the way, too. She's not allowed to ride in the car with them. They got you need a jump for production. You can't come with us, Jenny. So you figure it out. And she's like, what do you mean figure it out? I have chill bumps. I'm a different.

And different Mexico. Yeah. Right. By herself. Figure it out. And then what is what is Rick and Rick calls responses? Oh, sorry. It was it. What's it Rick Helen Tom rotting together? So I mean it was everyone. It was cool. Yeah, but what I realized last night is I'm like watching

all of this and I'm sitting next to Jenny and I was like, oh my god, oh my god, because we know I've had several people tell me now that they either saw them kissing, but they thought it was the other Tom. Oh my god. I know they were hooking up in Mexico. So many people have told me things about them now. So I'm like, oh my god, Jenny, they couldn't hook up in Tom and Ariana's room. They needed a private room. Oh my gosh.

We know that they were hooking up at the wedding. So literally, she lied to you. I said, I guarantee you, sand-of-all coached her to be like, just blame it on production. Tell Jenny it's production. Oh my gosh. Then we can have your room.

Wow, your richie. No, not white. Is that teeny-baking in a white? I think it could be, I mean, I was actually getting into girls wedding because it was so beautiful. That's where we were going. I was just going to say we were going to get it the way. And it was absolutely amazing. And we were so glad we got to be there.

And I was literally going to say, was there anything behind the scenes that happened that you guys thought was so crazy because I remember you talking about how she said she needed more time to sleep or something one day. Yes. One day. You mean the wedding day. No one day.

I don't remember what day was. Sorry. The three hours late. Oh, both of them. Both of them. They arrived at the same time. Yeah. Like the bridal suite. Like I'm on the group's way.

We're getting we're fully changed and all that. Like I mean, I didn't pull you aside and say it. You know, if we just thought they were filming. And the roles were reversed. And if it was me, I would have pulled you a side off camera and said, just so you know, I'm late. I'm pretty. I'm late. I'm late because, you know, production pulled me aside and they want me. And just because we're friends and I would be like, listen, I just don't want you to be mad at me. You know the deal that pulled me aside just to make you look like late. That way you can be like, okay, I'm mad, but I understand that we never did that. Yeah.

Never did that. Because production didn't pull them. He pulled himself off workout. No, they weren't filming. They were not filming. No, my friends saw them in a cabana together at the pool that day. So she was light on your wedding day.

They do hang out at the pool. Yes. She was also seen with San devil next to an elevator, kissing him. My wedding dress designer saw them kiss right before she came into the bridal suite with me. Like they had just come down together. And they were like, they knew that one of the thoms in the groomsman party like she

kissed the white man. They didn't know which thoms. So they're like, thought nothing of it until they're like, wait, no, we saw her with mustache, Tom. Oh, what is that was like? She wants. So then last night, I was like, I guarantee that, Jenny, it was never even an issue for you to stay in the

room. She probably just lied and said that. So because Jenny was like, I'll get out of the room. I'll clean up all my stuff. I'll keep it in the closet. I'll leave the room. So it just looks like you're standing

by yourself. No, sorry. You can't stay production said. This is insane. And this is a. It's their same friend that has has gone to the country with her and has helped her out. And there's always been there for a journey.

Yeah. Yeah. That's how I recognize Jenny because I met her last night at the reunion party. And she I was like, oh, yeah, because I saw her all the time and were kills stories and stuff whenever I still followed her. I was like, whoa. Yeah, this is all just clicking.

I'm gonna jump all over the place here a little bit, but first of all, love the wedding. That was probably the best wedding I think I've ever been to in my life. That was awesome. I mean, it was just, it was just, we all kind of annoyed at us that we weren't at the same hotel.

We understood. I know, I understood. I wasn't annoyed. I was just bummed that the kids didn't get a hot bath vacation together. We had this massive yard with like a pool and all of that. So I was just bummed. But like, yeah, we're gonna go back. But like I told you guys, you know, they I asked us if we would be interested in filming and I said, listen, this is their wedding. We're not making this about anything else other than your wedding. You have enough going on. You have all this. There was just so much going on. Let's just be there and be there for them and not have to worry about any of this. And that's why we did what we did. And I hope you guys are okay. No, I totally understood.

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Okay, I got to ask this question because it's going to be on my mind. podcast. Okay, I got I got to ask this question because it's going to be on my mind. You knew obviously you knew Katie was there. You knew what going in. Did you at any point of getting ready from getting ready to the end of the wedding want to go up to the room and say

you want to come down and join. No, not at that time. Not with Katie. You know what I'm saying? Like, because I know, I know how you are. She's like, you, you, you, everybody having fun. I thought maybe after a couple cocktails, you're like, oh, no, maybe I should go get Katie. You know, she's here. Not with Katie. I did end up what you didn't see. You saw it like a second of it was a conversation with Christina Kelly. Yeah. We spoke for quite a bit of time and I invited her. I was like, if you want to come down to the after party,

but I said I was not. Can you, is that just you? You've come with the whole summer. They never spoke. OK, but going into your relationship a little bit, because we did see your wedding. And we all know that you have beautiful summer. And I love that our kids get to play together

and grow up together and stuff. What do you think is the best thing about your relationship and what is one of the biggest struggles in your relationship? Druggle, I think just parenting differences. Brock wants something one way. I wanted another way and just finding that compromise. That has been difficult when it came to sleep training or certain things shall she'll eat or...

But I don't know a bit. What? What? Because you just think you're right. No, because you look at me and go, I want this, but to get to this, it's difficult and you don't like to upset her or do that. No, I like upset.

But you do love the outcome. And you want the outcome, but it's the work to get to that outcome on our parenting styles So he feels like he always has to be bad cop and I also don't think that's fair But she just she's a mama's girl, especially like Because I'm a bad call It's really hard for me to ever get cruising through that Like listen, he can't do that. Like this is is your teaching, you're enabling. Jack, you are just as bad as that.

I thought about it about a name. You got it. We got to leave that alone. I'm like, okay, because then he doesn't learn. Like, I understand you want to do it. See, honey, this is no worse. That's a lot to offer. And I, listen, I know our parenting was back in the 80s, but that's what worked.

And that is what's what I'm trying to. I know. I don't know if you guys agree with this, but like whenever we, I think one of the biggest struggles that Jackson I had was spinning enough time about, like making enough time for just him and I, because you know, we didn't have a babysitter for so long.

Yeah. And we like almost were just like roommates having a baby, you know, with us for a while because we never got to have like a long time. And that was like a big difference for our relationship in the beginning. And I think that a lot of couples go through that. I think our group is very fortunate

because now you guys do have an any, right? Our date nights are pretty iconic. We go great carpet events. We go to music premieres. And so it's not like we're going to Olive Garden. Yeah. We actually really get to enjoy it. And that's what I say whenever we go to our events.

It's like, oh, day, night. And so now you guys have the 90 there. Oh, you guys have your 90. We've got to have mom. And that's the best part. I think that we're definitely trying a lot more to like spend alone time now that we finally found somebody that we're all the same.

We work together. We play together. We live together. We eat together. We do every single thing together. And it's what's we're bound to bump heads. Oh gosh. I'm just going to have to.

I prefer that than go to a restaurant and figure out what I want to order. Because I look at it, I'm like, oh, I'm so, honey, what am I getting? You know, it's like, I'm going to go with that. I'm like, wow, what are you suggesting? Yeah. Trust me, I have to do everything for Jackson.

It's just kind of like I'm used to it, you know? I think it's easier. I feel like the best part of our relationship, though, is we are each other's biggest supporter. Any business venture he wants to do literally no matter what it is, I'm going to support. I like that. His drive and ambition and tenacity and everything,

it's just like, I know something's gonna hit. One thing is gonna hit you. Yeah, yeah. And I just, you know, hard, he works every day for it. You know, it was like with his home body, Ab, he was doing that for the whole pandemic and now they just got acquired. Oh, good.

The self-wraith guys, big announcement coming up. Oh, amazing. That's awesome. Yeah, I mean, listen, it was, I was swimming in a deep pit when the text base had no idea what I was doing, but I was doing it. But he did it. And I got it all thank God. And everyone got their money and everyone got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it across. So we're part of that. Now he's on to a new business venture that I fully support. Well, it's mainly just taking care of you, really, figuring

out how to manage this because what you're doing together is awesome. Yeah. That's so amazing. I love that. And I'm sure it like is one of your turn on that he's like so ambitious figuring out how to manage this because what you're doing together is awesome. Yeah, that's so amazing. I love that. And I'm sure it is one of your turn-ons that he's so ambitious about that. Because that's complete 180 from what you're used to. No, every other ex. Yes. Multiple times, but just not Shay. Wait, did you guys hear that

rumor that Shay was on Randall Emmett's movie set? Is that true? But what the fact that I text him and asked and it's the first time he hasn't responded to me since we got divorced, I think it's true. Oh, I don't know.

A lot of people make sure he heard that. So I was like, do I want me to text him because like I just talked to him the week before. And I text him. And he did. That's a different one. He did.

That's such a Randall thing to do. Like, how about you? He's reaching out to Tom Sanable. That's our next question. Yeah. Randall's reached out to Sanable. Because like, can't you imagine him doing that? Because he's so like.

He wants to be in it. Yeah. He wants to be in the second. He does. Yeah. I could see him doing it. I could see that. I mean, gosh, but if he did have Shay on a movie, so like how random is that he's not even a random Shay was around. That's what he does. That's what Randall does. He finds like something like a like a vulnerability somewhere out of

somebody and he'll grab it down. He's done that with us. And you know, yeah, I'm going to talk about who, but you know, he's done this before. So this is what he does. This is his demo. You know, he sees like a vulnerability somewhere or somewhere where he can like kind of stick it in below the belt kind of move. And that's what he does. Oh, yeah. By the way, we just have to touch on the Randall scandal really fast. Because that was such a good documentary. It was such a good. By the way, though, it was, it was portrayed in very, very, yeah. It was, it was the tip way though, it was, it was portrayed in very, very long. It was the tip of the ice. There is so much more,

there is so many more assistants. There are so many more disgusting, disturbing stories. I was part of it. I was there for a lot of it. And it's cringey. I had to walk away at times. Brittany, you were there. You were all there.

There's times where he was with his assistants and you just wanted to like, oh my God, he's really. It was so embarrassing. I was reading his assistants. I will tell a story really fast because this just goes along with the Randall scandal. Right whenever we had just found out we were pregnant. I don't know if you guys remember like me, Stasi, Katie, Lala, Jacks, like all the guys. We took a houseboat trip. Yes I remember. I was just wondering

if we were invited. Sorry. I was just one inviting people. a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a

little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a drive. He was so me to his assistant kept making him leave and go to get him different things and do different things. Well then at the very end of the night, he wanted to drive home because his dog, he had a dog at the house and he was not supposed to stay. Randall made him stay and sleep in his freaking car. In his car. I just belittled him. And belittled him in front of everybody. I mean, it was just it was awful. And I paid for things out of their own money. Yeah, like it's like a whole thing never got Reimbursed. It was just I think I think hopefully like the fact that this has been a lot of what she's been doing and then bringing it to

Lot I think the Randall scandal people gonna watch this and that's why it didn't end because there's more to come I feel like and this is gonna just be like people are gonna feel like wait that guy wasn't ourselves to me I thought he had this power over me. I thought it was this and I'm it's I'm sure a be like, people are gonna feel like, wait, that guy wasn't ourselves to me, not Thordie had this power of me, I thought it was this, and it's- I'm sure a lot of more people are gonna start coming forward and I hope that he never gets to work again. Yeah, I mean, just that. That's sweet, I mean, we were hearing stuff like yesterday.

Yeah, new people coming forward, so. I think people just kinda wanted to see how this was gonna put you to come out, and I think now that people, okay, this is okay, say, even me, I might even, you know, say something, I don't know, you're saying something. I've say something, I think, that people, okay, this is okay. Say, even me, I might even, you know, say something. I don't know. You're saying something. I'm saying something.

You're right. I'm saying, it's just because he owes me money. He owes me $75,000. Now I'm not a studio. I'm not Sony. I'm not param, I'm not these big studios who can be like, oh, whatever. I'm a family man.

I'm putting food on the table. Jackson, let's say this. I'm not going to high-end. I'm not going to high-knows voices. I'm not doing this. I'm trying to put food on the table and save up for my kids' education. So to take money from a guy like me, I put it on social media the other day.

I'm like, you lost feed. You lost feed. You lost feed. You lost feed. You lost feed. You lost feed. What do you think? What is this funny if I did this? I got a bunch of feedback. I got all these millionaire poker players. We're so sorry. We're so sorry that he's doing this. We're going to help you get your money back. I got all these emails. My manager, Ryan reached out to me. He's like, I got a bunch of emails from poker players and he owes all this money and this money. But those people can afford it.

You're a family guy. He's like, we're gonna try our best to get the money for you because we just feel bad. And I was just so like, thank you so much. Like, that is a lot because like I said, that's a lot of money. I can't afford it. It was a loan, not an investment.

Right. There's a big difference between a loan and an investment. I knew I was going to get my money back. You know, I can't afford to make a $75,000 investment. My wife would have left me if I made that investment without telling her. Well, yeah. So I, this was just a big deal. And it's like, it's just I'm just going to keep going with him. And he's our troll the week every week until I get my right. Yeah. I got troll the week. Every week until I get my money. So the actual the week is still rambling. The beat of the kick rock. I want to rock to talk about his new business real quick

because it's so cool because I'm in the cars. And I want you to tell us a little bit about your new venture, which is really cool. Awesome. Yeah, I mean, obviously being in this world, I kind of like stepped into it really, kicked in the front door actually. And I was like, get out of here.

And then I took a second to breathe. And it's just great. There's great people around the show and outside of it. So I started getting into a bit of post-production for a reality show for a car club called Fastlane Drive. And it's a super car club. My friends actually started it. And my friend moved here from France 13, 14 years ago

was an Uber driver in San Diego, started networking. And we got a real knack for networking. And ended up getting in a Ferrari. Renting a Ferrari, and this boy's got cars and they went met up with everyone else that had Ferrari's in San Diego and Lamborghini and we're like, let's do a drive and they did a drive and they loved it and they built on that. And so since then, five years later, they've got chargers in San Diego, LA, Las Vegas, Scottsdale, Miami.

I like a little motorcycle club. Like a car. Like a burger. Exactly. It's like the Soho, like a car. Like a car. Like a bike or something. Exactly. It's like the Soho house of a car club. And it's all so. So because now, and then they were opening Monaco next month in July, they're going to

go to Monaco, France. Oh, wow. So now if you remember, and you go to one of their events, now you just have 50 new high level, high level network individuals that are in that car club that are now your friends. So you're going to go meet them and you're going to hang out with them and do drives and talk about the cars of the back the backdrop but the relationships and the network and is the front of the house. Wow.

And in the car club, the top drivers, four of them, two of them are actually female members. Oh, that's awesome. So I just chose a whole new dynamic in there. Yeah, I love that. So I kind of like sort of come out for like five years and I was like, I wonder what would be like a reality show where you get the car lovers, but you're still, like these guys have great lives, and they're great friends. And those are the people that you want to surround yourself with, the people that are successful. That's your real friends.

I think that makes a big difference in reality shows. It has to, because now you guys are tied to something. So regardless of what comes in front, you're roots are deep, you know? But yeah, it's been a really great opportunity and enjoying a lot. But I can't wait to come out. I was just going to say, when is it coming out? Well, are you going to go to Vegas with us? Yeah.

We are. We are going to Vegas. We are shutting down the Vegas strip and we are driving down the Vegas strip that we can on Saturday. Oh, great. So we will get to talk about it when we come back and we will get some videos. And then you will have a release date coming up soon. So we have just stood out sizzle.

So we shot the sizzle and it looks phenomenal. Awesome. There is helicopters, jets the it's the real thing So hopefully you know the audience sees it and we're gonna present it to some streaming platforms. Oh congrats Well, good luck with that. Yeah, this time went by Yeah I feel like I've so much more to talk about Let's do rapid fire questions

Okay, I do have a cover rapid fire We'll hit it with a bit Okay, rapid question. Who's your favorite person on the current cast? Ariana. She know. That's a good one. What do you wish you could have said

on the reunion that you didn't? Ooh. That's hard. I don't know because I feel like for what I was able to do, I was able to say everything. You know, I couldn't say anything to Rachel obviously, so there's a lot that I still would have to say. But every day that passes, it's just, it's nothing. I would have to set there and shut up and smiled.

And just took it all in. Yeah. Okay. Best parenting advice. Oh, communication with each other. Yeah. Gotta be on the same page because when you're not, you fight. Yeah. It's not fun. Just try to get on the same page. Yeah. Mine is consistency. I think, I think if you have a schedule and you fall off it, this goes straight back on it. It doesn't matter if the kid sleeps in later

or if they st- don't sleep, but just get straight the next time block. But if you missed two schedules, then you're gonna really add pressure. So as soon as you miss one, just get back, it's normal. The next nap schedule, that schedule, get back on it. So I know a huge fan of the whiteboard. I think that you guys will have to follow along with that at some point, but yeah, I will. So favorite thing about each other. Mm. Honestly, I've found the love of her heart and I say this every time

because it makes me a better person. Exactly, I agree. I'm gonna steal that too. That's right. That's right. So many things, obviously, but the way he makes me feel loved, I've never felt before.

That's why I just couldn't get rid of him. Oh, I love that. Okay, at least favorite thing about each other. Ooh. Where do we start? The confidence in herself. Oh, yeah. It's, that's my, that's my, I think that's,

even though you should be the most confident girl in the world. Yes. Yes. Thank you, but I'm not. He has a bit of a temper at times, similar to Jax. You know we're just a hot head and you're like, come a fuck down. We have very short fuses.

We have very short fuses. We just get to the solution quicker than anybody thought. Yeah, so now we're waiting for you to go, come on. That honestly is your worst quality. That's the thing that bothers me the most about him. Okay, one last rapid question. Ideal date night. Favorite kind of date night.

Anything that involves free food, free alcohol. I love going to a movie. Yeah. Yeah. We have a new movie. We have a new movie. We have a new movie. I can't say that, but now we have other kids. I think we've got to like two. I know. So I can't all go see the little mermaid together. We should. Why don't we just go to a movie? I'm going to Kentucky on Saturday. Oh, so we'll be out for a while. Yeah be together. We should. Why don't we just go to a moment? I'm going to Kentucky on Saturday. Oh, so we'll be out for a while.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, wait for me to come back. We'll take all the babies. Done. All right. We got to do a part two of this

at some point. Yeah. I'm not a job back. But we're going to take off. Thank you guys all for listening to When Reality hits with Jackson Brittany. Thank you to Brock and

Sheena for being here. We really appreciate it. Can't wait for next week's reunion. Yes. I love you guys. I love you. Thank you. Thanks for coming. We really appreciate it. Talk to you later. MUSIC Price drop.

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