When Reality Hits with Jax and Brittany - The Hot Goss Guys Reveal What Really Happens in the Sauna

Episode Date: June 26, 2026

This week, Brittany is joined by Eyal Booker and Lonnie Marts IIV, the hilarious hosts of E!'s Hot Goss. They discuss how two strangers ended up hosting one of the internet's most entertaining pop culture shows, Eyal's journey from Love Island UK to the U.S., behind-the-scenes stories from the sauna, the celebrity guests who surprised them most, and why reality TV creates connections unlike anything else. Plus, they dive into Bravo drama, Tom Schwartz, Taylor and Travis, their dream guests, and much more!Please support the show by checking out our sponsors!ARMRA Colostrum: Go to armra.com/REALITY or enter REALITY to get 30% off your first subscription order.Quince: Go to Quince.com/realityhits for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns.Progressive: Quote your car insurance at Progressive.com to join the over 28 million drivers who trust ProgressiveSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hi, and welcome back to When Reality Hits. Today's guests are bringing all the tea, literally. You know them from E's Hot Goss, where they somehow turned sitting shirtless in a sauna into one of the hottest pop culture shows on the internet. And yes, I've actually survived that sauna myself. A.L. Booker and Lonnie Marts are here, and we're getting into everything. Love Island, Taylor and Travis, and Bravo drama, hot takes, and a whole lot more. This is going to be fun.

Welcome, guys. Hello, hello. Thank you for having us. Thank you for having us. Yeah. And it's nice to keep our clothes on. I know. It's kind of chilling here, actually.

I like whenever it's like colder in the room. It was kind of hot in your sauna. In your sauna. Well, that's what happens in a sauna. And this is our crossover episode, right? You're right. Like you were in there with us and now we're here with you. I know.

Now I get to ask you guys the questions. Here we go. Last time you all were shirtless with your chest glistin. It gets hot and sweaty. Do you guys get oiled up? Maybe. It does help with the shine. It helps with the sweat and the glisten.

It does. You know what? Everyone likes to be oiled up every now and again, right? It looks nice. It's great. It looks nice. Thank you. Okay.

I would love to go to the beginning of you guys. How did you all meet? Lani always likes to help out of this one. There's so many ways to tell the story. You go first. We met auditioning for the show. So the show is an e-original idea. Okay.

And they brought in a bunch of people within the content reality. So wait, Hot Goss was a... Hot Goss is an e-original idea. Okay. That they cast hosts for. And I turned up on a day to a room full of, you know, 25 big, strong guys. All that I recognized from some corner of the reality world.

Right. All sat in a room. Everyone's kind of sizing each other up. Like, kind of starting to chat. Like, we're not allowed to be friends in here, but they obviously cast us to have decent chemistry, so I was trying to be cool. But, like, were you from, bro, bro? You should be nice to each other.

Larnie was wondering where the kind of adjacent studio full of the female hosts were going to be, because he was under the impression that it was going to be a male and a female host in the song. I thought they were going to cast it as, like, a dumb jock in this sounds like, I don't know much about, you know, anything other than football. And then, like, the pop culture, girly, who knows everything. Turns out, they just did double duty on the shots. Two guys that don't know very much. Yeah, we're always learning.

You all seem like you know a lot, or is it just because you do good research before a guess comes on? We've learned as we've gone. I think the interesting part about the show and the whole idea at its core is that we know enough, but we actually don't know. So we're able to give opinions and perspectives and ask questions from a genuine place of interest as opposed to like, oh, I'm really fishing for this gossip because I want that piece of gossip that I know you have, but I'm not. not meant to know that you know that I know that you have it. Got it. Whereas we're just like... What the fuck is going on?

Because we actually don't know. Okay. What goes on in Casa Amor? Oh, I know what we're. Yeah. So you were on Love Island, UK. I was on Love Island, UK. What year was that?

2018. 2018, so eight years ago. Wow. Then I did my fair share of reality TV shows in the UK. I came over to the US. I ended up doing Love Island games, which is a game show version of Love Island with some recognizable people from past seasons across the franchise throughout the world. So it was everybody.

That was like a whole mixture in Fiji for US TV. Oh, fun. That was my goodbye to Love Island in the nicest way. I did love island. When did you do that one? Like the games. That was three years ago. Okay.

I did Love Island when I was 22. And then I went back on games when I was 27. And at 22 to 27, there's quite a lot of growth and just like understanding. of self and yeah 22 I was a deer in headlights I didn't know what was going on I thought it was going to be a walk in the park I was going to go and meet a hot girl how could we not fool in love it was so far from that really yeah it was

fucking hard do you think I always ask like people from the bachelor and stuff that are on here and you can chime in to lawn even though you weren't on love island not yet not yet do you think that like the competition aspect makes people believe they're falling in love faster I don't think it's the competition I think that the environment is so intense and every distraction from the outside world is completely eliminated. True.

So all you're there to do is focus on your feelings and how you feel towards someone. And a regular 24 hour day in the real world, there's a lot of time and areas to get distracted and just other places to focus your attention. In the villa. Yeah. Just work, life. I don't know. Yeah. In the villa, there's none of that.

You are literally confronted with your emotions and your feelings towards someone. And a day feels like a week. And so things just progress a lot quicker. And also, you know, sometimes you don't know how you feel about someone, but the whole point of the show. So you're like figuring out your emotions in real time after just getting to know someone. And it can feel a little bit like, well, I've only had an hour's conversation with you. So I don't know if I love you yet. You know, like, is that okay?

But you have to, you've got to choose and react and respond. Right. But a lot of people do say. I love you. Yeah. Especially on The Bachelor. The Bachelor, I think, is different. I like how you say it.

The Bachelor. The Bachelor. Like a spatula. So much more proper. The Bachelor, I think, is different. And I think it's different because people are at a different stage in their life. The end goal is very different on the Bachelor. It is to get engaged and hopefully then get married.

Right. Love Island is a little bit of a more casual idea of, let's see a. If we can find somebody worth dating and then we'll hopefully date them after. And if not, then we'll date a couple of people. Seems like everyone's going to snog each other's faces off and just have a summer of fun and potential love. Snog. Does that mean make out? Make out.

I mean, the US season, they're sucking each other. Yeah, the sounds. The sounds I've heard. The sounds I've heard has been most stand out to me. When I were in the back of your throat, the U.S. seem to just, they just kiss each other a lot more than I remember. but on my season. This was like my first season watching fully through Love Island. Okay.

And so as I was watching these episodes, I come back in the studio. I'm like, hey man, you did all that on TV? Like, bro, you're crazy. And he's like, no, no. In the UK, we don't do all that. And I was like, I mean, we do some of it. It just takes a bit more time. I feel like it's definitely gotten a lot more, like, sexualized as the years have gone on.

But I also think I was having this conversation with someone. And I truly think it's a representation of society. and what we're actually exposed to generally across social media. No, but I do. And then how reality is able to captivate people's attentions. And again, back in 2018, we weren't fed all of this so like graphically across socials. And now that we are, the show has to keep up with what people are seeing elsewhere. So it's like, all right, what challenge can we grip everyone on?

All right, everyone's going to snog and twerk on each other for, you know, a whole episode. And then people will talk about it. Do you say snog every time you're talking about kissing? No, I can say, I can say, kiss, make out, lips. Lips. We're going to be Lipsin all night long. Nobody says that. People don't say that.

I've never heard lips in. Got with. Got with each other. Okay. Yeah, I got with her last night. Okay. Or we were getting with each other all night. What are you saying the South?

Hooked up. Yeah, hooked up. Hooked up last night. Hooked up. Hooked up. I like bumping nasties as much of my thing. Yeah. The bomb nasty seems to take one set further.

It sounds a little nasty. Yeah, it has the word nasties in it. Yeah. Well, if they're not, like, actually having sex, you can't say something nasty. Swap and spit. Swapping spit. Wow. Yeah.

All right. That's what happens. That's the real thing that happens. So how long ago was it that you guys actually met then? Oh, two years? Was it two years? Do we miss our friend anniversary? No, October.

Well, I think we missed our friend. No, it's October. Oh, so it's, okay. Two years in October? Right. Right. Okay. What did they cost?

Was it summer? It was summer. Oh, no. It's either coming up where we missed it. It's been like two years of like, of definitely like because I mean, I thought everybody in there came from the content world when we did the auditions. So like learning like, I mean, you do, you're more the like model acting singer kind of space. Oh, you're a singer too. You might have to say, you want to get to say something.

I was going to cool you to see what. You might have to sing something. That's a term of endearing in the UK island. Can we please clarify. I am not a singer. I can't sing. Somehow, I've been in two bands. I started my journey in entertainment in a pop band from 16 to 19 and a half full time.

We were a mixed group, a mixed a cappella group, as they called us. Yeah. And I was the baritone. I love the pentatonic. Was it like that? Yeah, we tried to be. Have you heard the stuff, Lonnie? We've done some stuff in the story.

the sauna. There's some bits of us singing in the sauna. Oh, do you sing too? Lani can see. That's the difference. Okay. I've never been in the band, though. I never pursued that. Well, there's still time. I might need a little acapella. We'll get you something. Okay.

You give me the starting pitch. I'll sing a little something. Yeah, but Lani makes amazing content. Oh my gosh. I cannot wait to look at this stuff. Yeah, yeah. Some of our earlier episodes, we were just doing all sorts of stuff. It was just me and him in the sauna. Yeah. So we would do bits. we would sometimes produce like oh you can sing a little something for us you can dance and we were just we were just playing around having a good time and luckily we still are yeah um but it was definitely uh it's definitely been evolving and it's so nice to have guests like yourself in the sauna now you know um yeah and learning to host and have our dynamic has been fun as well yeah you guys were really easy to talk to that's good even though you didn't know what a mommy makeover was do you know what a mommy makeover is like it depends on who you ask

Hey, well, the mommy makeover that you were thinking it was is a completely different thing. Okay. But I could see why a man would think, okay, if you didn't see, I don't even know if they're going to put it on there. So our episode, they might not put it on, but it comes out on Thursday and this releases on Friday. Okay, perfect. Okay. So if it wasn't on there, I asked them if they knew what a mommy makeover was. And you definitely were thinking more of like vaginal reconstruction.

Thank you for giving me the correct words. I was thinking about vaginal reconstruction, and I was just generally thinking about like augmentation and reconstruction because I understand how intense pregnancy can be on a female's body. And I understand that sometimes it can knock confidence in a woman. And so therefore I was just, that's where my mind went in the most respectful, loving. It was respectful. It wasn't weird or anything like that.

if people are listening. Which isn't that always a fun line to have to figure out in the sauna with two shirtless guys? Like, how do we make sure this isn't ever weird and our guests feel like chilling, having conversations about everything with us in the sauna? However, we learned that a mommy makeover is really just like a pampering day. A pampering day. That was the other side of the space. That was the hardest recovery I ever had.

It was very hard. But it did have to do with having a baby and all of that stuff. But it's just kind of like getting your body back after you had a baby. We've never had babies. the pound-pring day. I'm wrong again. And I apologize. And that's important.

I think that's what helps us in the sauna, knowing when we're wrong, and when we don't know anything, because there's a lot of things we don't know. But you were right about the confidence after having a baby and it changing your body. And so that's what it was for me. Understood.

But it wasn't about... Getting your sparkle back. Yeah. Get my sparkle back. Yes. Okay. And every mommy makeover looks different. Right.

Everyone won't do the exact same things, but people call it a mommy makeover whenever you have, like, more than one thing done at a time. So yours, was... You don't remember? I'm offended. I remember, but the people here

might not watch on us and they want to hear about your mommy Vancouver again. I've talked about it a million times on here, but I'll tell you again, I had diastasis recti, which is where your abs split, whenever you have a baby. So, even with, like, working out and everything,

it never fixes. So I had to have abdominal reconstruction. So they, like, lift up your skin and put everything. Back in place. That's weird. And then I had, like, a tummy tuck for, like, stretch marks and stuff and my boobs are done. Okay. Amazing.

Yeah. You look great. So there you go. So it was like a collection of things. I do remember now because we were like, yeah, your boobs look great. They look great. Yeah. Our comments on women's bodies are typically like, good job.

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Oh, this is always a tough one. We have a lot of guests. You've had a lot. We have a lot of fun people. too. I mean, we have Young Gravy and Ari. They were kind of fun. Okay. They were funny because they were just kind of like, young gravy's

so tall. He just kind of sat like, yeah. Yeah, and they're taller than you? Yeah. But they were very nice. He was Tula than you, isn't it? I said yes. And both of us perhaps. You're just like, oh, he's definitely too little at me. He's definitely too little bit. Yeah. But they were fun. They were very, like, open about a lot of stuff.

And I was like, I'm like, I'm from the south. I'm from Florida. I don't understand how like OnlyFans girlfriend like works and stuff like that and they were just like sharing everything with him like I'm like cool. Oh, I had a great one last week. I'm sorry I've forgotten. Oh, last week, last week. Our booker is great.

Obviously to meet people like you, you know. Andrea Denver. Okay, what is you? Oh, it's a guy. He is from Summerhouse and now he's on the city. He has just announced his, he's having a baby with his partner. He was so nice. And he was unexpectedly just like really nice and so honest.

He's an Italian. guy and English isn't his first language and I think there is something to be said about somebody whose first language isn't English because they are just a bit more free in what they're saying because like there's a lot going on and they've got

a thinking Italian and an answer in English and so he was just like an open book and like a really playful fun I know a lot of the Summer House cast obviously being in the Bravo world but I do not I have never met him okay yeah well we had Tom Schwartz well I was gonna ask so I know that Tom was there

the same day as me, and I know that episode won't come out until after my mind, correct? So you don't have to spill too much, but how was Tom? So we were like, coming from this space of, again, like I mentioned earlier, like sometimes we're just like these dudes are like, tell, what reality TV, I've seen that before, you know? So getting into the lore and being this entry point for other members of the audience who are also like, yeah, what's going on here is kind of fun because we're like, who are you, man? Like, why does everybody love you or hate you? People say, like, you kind of hide behind other people.

So you asked him that? Absolutely. I need to know what he said. Well, we were warned that Tom is incredibly charming. Yes. And because he is so charming, he is able to distract from the question in order to answer it in a way that doesn't really answer the question. Did he do a lot of like, ooh? So much.

Yeah. I was like, I was going to get him ever. He's one of my best one. I was like that I'm not going to get charmed by this guy. There's no way he sits down. I'm like, he's like, oh, you guys are great. This is so fun. Yeah.

I get it. How are you guys feeling? He's amazing. But we were able to get him to answer, like, straight up questions. And we were like, Tom, we're not letting you do this. Okay. He's like, am I doing it? Oh, am I doing it?

I'm doing it. Even whenever I saw you guys in the dressing room and you came up and Tom was in there with me, I was like, Tom's even more of a people pleaser than me. So we'll see what you're going to get out of him. Listen, we're all recovering people pleasers here to an extent. And like, I'm like, I get it. I know it. I know it.

And when I talked to him, I was like, oh, you're not. not doing this on purpose. This is how you exist in the world and the space. Oh, yeah. Just cause some of these situations where you're like, ah, how do I bridge the gap here? These people need to like be together, but I don't want to upset anybody and it's like, yeah. Him and I are a lot of like in that way. He took accountability

for some of, you know, the past stuff that he's done and learned from his behavior. And it was he seems like he's at a really good, happy place in his relationship and in his life. He is. And he seems to have learned from the past. And so that was really cool. Yeah. We'll check in with him later to make sure

He's keeping all this prompt. Yeah. Okay. Good. Yeah. He's a great guy. He's been so close to me the whole time I've lived in L.A. So I love him like a brother.

Okay. Let's go into a little bit more about hot goss. Has anyone ever gotten too comfortable in the sauna? Braun Stromen, one of our first guests, ripped off his towel. Yes. Did you have anything underneath? Tiny, barely. Tiny little budgie smugglers.

What do they call? Budgie smugglers. Buggy smugglers. Because you can smuggle a budge of. A budgie. Like a budgie. A budgie is a bird, a small bird. Basically.

I'm like, I'm going to keep bluebirds. Exactly. A budgie, here, let me go. I know what a budgie is because I just saw it. I just watched like a rescue of one of them recently. Why do I not know what a budgie is? Well, anyways, he ripped his towel off, like one of the first guests we had. Yeah, the little blue, yeah.

A parakeet. We're talking about a parakeet. This isn't a parakeet, though. They're called budgeys, though. A parakeet is a completely different bird. I want you to look up what a parakeet is. I know. See it's the same.

It does look a lot of like. Well, he ripped off his towel. Okay. Ripped off his road. You're crazy. A power key is a small parrot. This is insane. The blue one does look a lot like the budgie, but they're still different birds.

What are we talking? What are we going back? You're crazy. They're different birds entirely. This is what we deal with. This is the kind of. He has to like prove on them. When it was just us in the sauna, this is what would happen, like, in every episode.

They are different birds, there. So was that the worst, or not worse, but the most comfortable was him? Oh, Bron. Yeah, he got the most comfortable for sure. He just, he was like our second guest that we had on after we started bringing other people in. And he was like, wasn't he? No, no, he ripped it off. I think comfortable is a good thing.

Yeah, oh, yeah. And we want people to be, Simone was incredibly comfortable. Like Olympic, Olympian? No, Simone. She was on Rupal's drag race. Oh, yes, yeah, yeah. About tucking one-on-one. She was telling us about tucking and wore her towel in the most beautifully chic way that anybody's ever worn a towel in the sauna.

It was into a corset. Oh, wow. I believe it. And had her lupitons on it. I was just like, just give me the e-news. I did have red bottoms, but I chose to wear the slippers. You absolutely did, but we saw those red bottoms, and that's what matters. They were seen.

She was super comfortable. We can confirm. She was super comfortable. That clip went viral. Yeah. I think just the idea of tucking and understanding that and holding space to have that conversation in a non-judgmental but educational way. Okay. Of like we've never tucked and don't really understand it.

Please explain it to us. Do you know how it happens? I mean, I can imagine. Could you? Tape. Strong tape. But it goes like in between your butt cheeks, right? Yeah, but depending on how big you are, depends on where you tie that tape.

Simone tucks long. tapes long tapes So does that mean it goes backwards or upwards? Backwards I think Yeah And we all dabbed our up and we love that It was interesting So those kind of conversation is always fun

That is hilarious Between that and then like you know The deeper therapeutic questions that we have sometimes Just being able to run the gamut of it is like super great Because I love people And I love like the people are so complex Everybody's a little stark Yeah what a fun job you guys have

It is so lucky Yeah because I love doing my podcast I think it's so fun, but you guys get to do like a little show kind of, you know, a different take. I think when you have people with minimal clothes on sat in a sauna, there's a level of vulnerability that's already existing. True. Because like you've stripped somebody down, so to speak, from like the mask of what we put on in order to like create a narrative. Like the name brand stuff and the jewelry. You're naked.

You have nothing. It's like naked and afraid. Have you ever seen that reality? And our job is I think, I feel immediately we have to try to make sure people feel comfortable. Because we have learned from other, some guests, people just sit there and be like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that happens. No, you guys do great at making people feel comfortable.

I had such a fun time. What's the funniest thing that's happened that never made a final edit? Oh, my God. You're looking for advice? Lonnie's done a good few dances. Have I? Do you remember the Persian dance? Did that make the end?

I don't know, Reza's episode? Yeah. Oh, I love Reza. Yeah. I learned the dance a little bit. I don't know if I did it again. Yeah, those hips were moving. I try my best.

They were moving and it was like, yeah. We had, I mean, there were earlier episodes we did where it was just us too or we had to share the news on things and give our own opinions and takes and stuff. And sometimes they're like, why did you go off on that tangent for like three minutes and so all those things get cut? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm passionate about things, man. I just feel like there's a right way and there's a wrong way.

Like I was on the. budgie and the parakee. Yep, you had to prove that you were right. No, I wasn't trying to prove that I was right. It's not a bad thing, but you were just having to show the difference. They're different animals. They are different birds, categorically, different birds. Define categorically.

Well, like, the anatomy of a budgie and a parakee isn't going to be the same, and they're from different parts of the world. They are not the same bird. Yeah, we're going to definitely get some, we're going to have to look that up. This was about you getting a bee in your bonnet. Oh my gosh You guys are so funny Any time you guys are out and about

Do people recognize you as like the hot gosh guys Or is it still more like Love Island? Yeah content I still get recognized more for my content Yeah But people who've seen my content Like oh and you're also doing that show now too That's kind of cool that it's like stacking up a little bit

I've had a few typically it's Love Island reality stuff But I've had a few people come and be like I watch the sauna And that is a really cool moment because the stuff I've done in the past and we've done in the past is in the past and to have a current show that is doing so well and getting seen by so many people.

Highbrow investigative journalism. Yeah, exactly. Yes, very high-brow. Doing all your research. But we're like so in the weeds with it and we're filming all the time. It's like, do people see this, don't they? Like we don't really know.

We're just on to the next interview. And then when someone's like, I watched that episode and it was so good and I love it. It's like, it's a really cool. moment of like, oh, people actually do watch this and they are enjoying it. Because, I mean, you really are. You do the podcast. You know how it is. Like, sometimes you just go, you book people, you show up, you do it day in and day out. Yeah.

Like I did sports for most of my life and it's like, you just go to practice. You show up, you go to practice. And then every now and then you play a game and people like, oh, that was great. You guys really got it. But most of your time is spent in practice, so to speak, you know, where people don't ever see it. And I think what I've learned with content is sometimes you just put stuff out and you do something. You do your best out of it. You make it good.

You do your work, do your research. People, the whole world might not see it. But like. But then you'll have a viral moment. You have a viral moment. And they go back and see, oh, you've been doing this for a minute. It's like, oh, cool. People do resonate with this.

What sports did you do? Oh, I did football, and they did DeCathlon for 10 years. I was training up for Olympics, but then COVID happened. So I did social media instead. Oh, wow. So you were going to go to the Olympics? Tokyo 2020. Wow.

And you couldn't because of COVID. There was no chance after that. Well, I started doing social media. And that started making me money. And I'm like, do I want to injure myself every week at practice, like training 10 events? Or do I want to like take videos on my phone? Now, is your dad a famous football player or is that at some way? Yeah.

That's my dad. My dad played. Yeah, he played in the phone. You didn't know that? No, I had no idea. You have to be joking. Oh, my life. I didn't know that.

I don't feel like that that's the truth. I don't know if we've ever talked about it actually. Really? This is the truth. I guess I forgot to. He's never mentioned it. Yeah, for like 10 years, right? I mean, I did, but I do a little research before I see you guys.

Yeah. Okay, you guys are supposed to be bromance and you didn't even know that his dad is in the NFL. What you don't understand about male friendships. Is that like if you know, sometimes you don't even know each other's last names for a decade. we've got each other. But I knew that he's always been into sports. We're going to do all of that Olympics. I know.

But he's just never spoken about his dad. And I'm English. So you have to understand. Like American football. Football is soccer and it's football. World Cup, baby. Exactly. Come on, England.

So what team did your dad play for? He played for the Jacksonville Jaguars. He played for the Tennessee Oilers at the time, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Kansas City Chiefs. What years was he playing? He played for 11 years and retired in 99. Wow. 11 years is a long time in the NFL.

And he was outside backer, which means constantly just hitting people. And I'm like, dude, how did you do that for so long? Yeah. You know? And then I was like, do I want to play football? And he's like, do you want a concussion? I'm like, no. So I did track and field instead.

Does he care that you stop the Olympic goals and went towards like social media? He's like, he's like, he's like, look, I think after he did the 11 years and now that I've been in the media space for so long, I can see how like a lot of people in media, like you watch reality TV. It's like hopefully this reality TV star makes it past just this moment. Right. And kind of similar in sports, it's like hopefully this athlete can make it beyond this moment. You get people like, where some big athlete who make franchises and things like that,

like Shaquille O'Neal and stuff like that. But like it's rarer to like you have your short-lived career as an athlete or someone in front of the camera. And he's like, look, if you can do anything behind the camera or do things like hostings and facilitating those things, that leads to more like longevity. Yeah. So he's like, look, preserve your brain, preserve your body. do something like with your brain instead and make your money and, you know, legacy that way. So that's been very fun.

He's been super supportive of that. Oh, I love that. Yeah. Who's your dream sonogist? We, uh, Jojo Siwaugh for a while. Well, you had her, though, yeah. Dream guest in my podcast. Dream guest.

I always say, you like Benny Blanco. I'd love Benny Blanco. I think he would be a lot of fun in the sauna. Yeah. He seems super chill. Super chill. Yeah. Or Harry Stars.

Oh, yeah. songs would be sick. You guys would just be jabber joling away. Is that a thing you say? I'd say it. I'd say it. But it is not. Hell yeah, brother.

It would be java joling away. I think I would like, I always say like Barack Obama. I think that'd be cool. Yeah. And then I'm a big fan of Tyler the Creator's music. So I think that'd be interesting. Who knows would be a good episode. You know, artists can be weird sometimes, but it might be fun.

Chris Jenna. Oh, my God. I mean, you know, the show is. It's so much about reality and they are kind of like reality royalty. Reality royalty. Yeah. Having Chris in a robe. Can you think you to get her to share secrets?

I think so. I mean, she's the momager of all momagers. Exactly. Right. I would love to pick her brain just to see like what I should do next, you know? 100%. You know she's got the roadmap. Like everything.

Which is amazing. All the connections. Like, truly. Everything that you can imagine. Who do you think we should bring on? Who would you like to see us have? Yeah. Let's see.

Well, I wasn't expecting to be put on the spot there. Listen, that's how it goes. I mean, if I'm, I think my, one of my best friends, Zach Wickham would be hilarious with you guys in the sauna. He's on the valley with me. Okay. And he just has such a fun personality. I almost had him here today just to like. Just to be here?

Yeah. Yeah. Because we, like, he's just so funny. And I think you guys would love him. Yeah. And the conversation would be really great. That's good. Yeah.

Yeah. We can do it. Get it. Yeah. Jack, show up, get in here. Are you guys single? Yes. Both?

Talking about put on the spot. I was like, I was like, oh, wait. That was just a crazy slub. I know, sorry, podcast, you know, questions come up. No, no, valid. Yes, I am single at the moment. Also single. Everybody's single here.

I know that you were in a relationship with Lisa Renner's daughter. Yes, that was a long time. I know it's been a while. Yes. But whenever you were in that relationship, did you, were they filming housewives? Did you get to see any of like the behind the scenes, Bravo, Housewives, things going on.

Oh, you were? Oh, you were? Yeah. Oh, my God. What did you do? Yeah, I was just there hanging out. The girls were going through Lisa's wardrobe and like trying dresses on and I was there just like a supportive boyfriend just claving and cheering and being like, wow, you look amazing. Yeah.

Then you found out that everybody watched the show a week after. Again, like I didn't know how big the show was. Yeah. Bravo's big. Housewives are big. And so like all these people that I grew up with in the UK or whatever were like, people, they still run that episode now. Oh, yeah. I watch your own housewives the other day. There are reruns all the time. Even have like Vanderpump rules and everything. Like it's constant. So you can't escape it. Exactly. I didn't realize how big it was. But they were all lovely, lovely family, lovely people. And yeah. Maybe we should go on one of the episodes. Yeah. Wasn't Tom inviting us somewhere? I don't really. I don't. I don't really. I can. Kong gas on one of the episode.

He was probably inviting you guys to come to Tom Tom because it was Pride. Yeah, we were having and we were all going the next day. It was so fun. Yeah, it was so fun. And Tom Tom Tom's closing soon. What? Yeah. Yeah, we knew that. Yeah. We did.

So you guys should try to make your mosey your way on over to Tom Tom Tom before it closes down. It's all, other than Sir, all of Lisa Vanderpump's restaurants in L.A. And she opened up something in Vegas? Yeah, I think she just opened a hotel there and she's got like three.

I think she's moving everything from California to Vegas. But sir, you know, is the home base for Vanderpump Rules. And then obviously, Garamo and Natalie are owners of sir. So I hope that place never goes anywhere because that's so many memories.

We haven't been. We need to go. We need to go. We got a checklist. We got a lot of things we got to do. After meeting so many great reality people, I'm like, they're like, yeah, come do this thing. I'm like, yeah, okay.

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Amanda. Amanda Francis invited us to a retreat. No, she invited us to a woman's dinner and then never found out. Oh, that's true. She was like, you guys would be great and we were like, yeah, we'd love to come. We're single. Just whispers, whisper. Yeah. It's all false promises.

They get in the sauna. They promise up. They're going to be our friends. And then all of a sudden, we see them and they don't even want to talk to. Amanda, please. We're still waiting for the dinner. I'm on Amanda. I've got to ask a couple quick questions about Love Island and Taylor and Jason.

No, Jason Travis. Oh my gosh. Before you guys go, because I mentioned it in my intro. Who are your favorite couples this season that you think will actually last? I mean, for Love Island, Castle Remort has just happened and it's completely thrown a spanner in the works. I think the whole villa was so comfortable. We're going to see everybody come back in new couples. But my two favorites that I could see going the distance after Kasser Amor completely destroys their relationship

and then they find a way back to each other is Kada and Zach and sincere and Melanie. I thought, I was thinking Bryce and Zach, we're going to wind up together. I think that is the general consensus. Yeah, although I, like, there's this whole idea that they're like gay or bisexual. I just think they're just having their romance. Having a romance. And just being like just guys that are just super comfortable with each other. And it's a hard situation with all the cameras 24-7.

Like, I would love to, like, have a friend I could cling to, honestly. And, like, I think guys can be touchy-feely without it being, like, sexual. It's like, we show affection, and that's okay as well. You can, yeah. Yeah. Aren't they usually, like... Lani hates physical touch. And I'm quite a physical touch kind of guy.

I'm not trying to come onto him. He's just my pal. Yeah. I just touched my pinky and stuff. Like, you're walking. He grabs me. I'm like, stop. I was like, what?

You touch my pinky several times. Your pinky, yes, I have. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Taylor and Travis. Yeah. I was going to ask, if Taylor and Travis got married tomorrow, is it in Rhode Island? Reports are saying giant tents went up near Taylor's estate.

What do you guys think? Wait, so the lore is that allegedly they're tying the knot without us knowing, right? There is that. There are a lot of people who think that it's already happened. There's a bunch of people that think the Madison Square Garden was a fake out to, you know, get the media coverage away so the location wouldn't be. Or is it like a wedding reception, a huge wedding reception? Dang, I feel like... At Madison Square Garden.

That's what people are thanking. I mean, that would be wild. I think we can cancel out Madison Square Garden for Taylor and Travis's wedding, considering that they've been so underwraps and associated. It's not like she's going to put on a concert. Yeah, like, what are we? They're going to have like 50 people at their wedding, I imagine. So do you, so, I mean, Tom and Zendaya, they did the whole under everybody's

noses thing. They're married, right? As far as we know. Doa and Leepa and Callum just got married in kind of secret. I mean, okay, so my thoughts. They're getting married in secrecy. None of us are going to have any idea. They're going to have 10 different locations and not use any of them.

And then later on, we'll probably see, like, photos and stuff come out. But how do you trust everybody? I mean, it has to be under wraps and NDAs and everything else, but people still do shady shit. I don't know. Is it going to be a big wedding, a little wedding? I like 50 people. I think it's going to be. And then they'll have another one for everybody else.

Like the party might be bigger than the ceremony. Correct. Yeah. They'll be getting married. years to come, but I think like the actual marriage is going to be probably at one of their home estates with their trusted family and friends. That's why they were saying that tents were going up by Taylor's estate. I imagine that will probably be here. Yeah. But like we're not going to know until we know, but we might know. Do we think she is going to sing at all at her wedding?

I hope not. I hope she doesn't need to sing girl. Don't sing in your wedding. Relax. I don't think she needs to. Unless she wrote a song for Travis. No, I think judging by how she was. You're a performer. Potentially demanding attention at the playoffs courtside of the Knicks. I think she's going to sing at her way. Okay.

I think she's going to get up and sing. What song? Oh, that, you tell me. I would hope it to be like a new one that was like made for Travis. That'd be kind of funny if she sings like what her. She's like,

I couldn't know with anything. Shake it off. Yeah, yeah. I think she'll probably shake it off. Do you think anybody else will perform at their wedding? I hope she does. I hope she has somebody else.

They have to. They have to. Get Paul McCartney up there or something. like that. Oh, that's what a lovely idea. Yeah, let him say. They have to. Okay, really quick, before you guys go, because I know you'll have to leave.

Bunny X-O and Jelly Roll got a divorce. Did you see that? Or going through a divorce. Yeah. Jelly Roll gets this like makeover, the Olympic divorce. He had a daddy makeover. Yeah. A daddy makeover.

And now they're getting into, after 10 years. That's like, that's a lot of changes, really fast. Bunny follows me on social media, so I started following her back. And I don't see care. I don't want to just like ask her. What's going on with your divorce? Hey, thanks for the follow. I need to see if I could have her on here, actually.

Absolutely. But I love Jelly Row and, like, his story of how he, like, you know, everything he's been through is so beautiful. So that really makes me sad. I think they were, like, this beacon of hope within testing and difficult times of somebody's journey and sticking with someone through thick and thin. And obviously, now with all this success, they seem to have fallen out of love. Maybe it's a mutual decision that maybe she doesn't want that part of her. his life and he doesn't love her the way and so maybe it's better to be amicable and go your separate ways than it to be some way everybody can be amicable in the beginning but it gets messy

overtime yeah so you'll just have to see because then you get jealous and everything else like is it i hope it doesn't happen like that for me but i know what it's like he's gonna like oh he's gonna start texting some of her friends or something like that or like that's crazy okay rapid fire quick quick quick answer okay all right which celebrity or reality star would absolutely dominate a season of Love Island. Reality star. Celebrity or reality? Taylor Swift wouldn't do good.

No. She would not do well. This is rapid fire. Yeah. Tephi Pesaw. I don't even know who that is. She's hosting AfterSun at the moment but as an influencer creator. Oh, okay. She would bust balls in that place and not let

anyone do anything. Okay. Who do you think? I would like to see Taylor Swift in there. I don't think she would do great, but I'd like to see it after me. We're talking about her getting married, so I think that is. I would like to see her. I mean, her mom or no, mother-in-law on traitors, Donna.

Oh, yeah. I remember Donna was on traitors. I was a, I'd seem like a little, like they had a tough time. Okay. What's one celebrity friendship that still makes zero sense to you? Jojo Siwa and... What's his name? Tom?

No. No, it wasn't Tom. It was Jojo Siwa and are you sure? Yeah, he was on The Bachelor and he dated Gigi Hadid for a second. and now he's got a fiancé or wife and they do house renovations. Matt? So Jojo's like best friends with this person? Jojo's got a best friend with a guy that is from The Bachelor and it's just very random and like...

Okay. He's also like 30, 40 or 40, something like that? Yeah, yeah. He's an older guy and she's 23 and it's just like, how did you guys... Yeah, she was like, how are you guys friends? And she was like, well, we used to bond over girls, but now... Yeah. But I was one.

I was like, okay, cool, pop off. Which celebrity deserves their own Bravo show? Would you watch it I would love Cardi B She is hilarious Cardi B is funny She is so funny and so outspoken She needs and I know she was on

Reality TV before But if I had to like pick one celebrity I would be I want to see Cardi B go anywhere And do anything Especially around other celebrities I freaking love her I want to see her interact Yeah

Which Routy TV villain do you think would secretly be nicest in real life I hate when it happens We've had a couple We've had some people. People did not like Amanda Francis. Okay. The comment section under all her stuff is heat.

Yes. She's so nice. The lady from ladies of London. Margo? Margo. People don't like Margo. Yeah. And she was...

On her episode, she was super nice. Yeah. Like what she did on the show, we can't say anything about. Yeah. And we get to meet people like face value who, like, away from the camera, even though they're being filmed for our show. And we just get to see a very different version of people when they're not throwing It's...

It's... I hope that the comment section about me isn't too bad. I got a mixed bag going on right now. I used to be very... So, everybody's so nice, and now it's a mix-up. We're going to fight for you. Any press is good press. We got your bad.

I'm like, what am I done wrong? I never mean to anybody. I literally don't fight with anybody. They're just rough out there. I always say Jesus could have Instagram. He's going to have haters. He's going to have haters. He had his 12 homies and someone still got them.

Yeah, it could be any. Anybody. Okay. If you could be on any reality TV show, which would it be? Both of you guys. I think I want to do Big Brother. Big Brother. Yeah, Big Brother. Yeah. Big Brother. Yeah. Big Brother. Yeah. I would do Fear Factor. Really? You would do Fear Factor. I would do fear Factor. I would do one of those military SAS shows. I really want to do. Yes, you did it. Yeah, but I was the worst probably of all time. I want to do it so badly. It was awful for me. It was a wonderful experience. I'm so glad I did it. But I was gone on the first day. See, no, that sounds terrible. Outdoors camping, like, competitive camping sounds terrible. Yeah, and you sleep on cots. No, I want it.

I want to push myself. Hey, if you could do it, do it. That's why I did it to try to push myself, and I was like, I can't do this. Okay. But you tried? I tried. I've camped. As a child?

Yeah. I had, yeah. I did too as a child, but I didn't even make it to the camp. But I did jump out of a helicopter, and I'm terrified of heights. So even that was just like a big deal for me. Okay. Who was your favorite reality TV star? Last question.

Like growing up or just gem, old, new, anything. I mean, growing up. I wasn't wrong. Ashley Simpson. Oh, I was a reality TV. She had a reality TV show back in the day. Like the Barkers, they had a reality TV show back in the day.

I grew up on. Jessica and Nick. Those kind of shows. And so all of those shows were like, they're so nostalgic. And it was at a different time of reality where Hollywood reality, he was like really in the limelight and I was a kid from like the suburbs of London so it was just like

it was such a far away world that now we we like navigate in and I'm like it is it's just pretty mental that's tough I don't I don't like it's so funny doing this show because I beat people's the oh my gosh the Hogan's yeah I don't know if I'd say he's my favorite but they had a reality show so did Ozzie yeah the Osbournes all of there were just like world class yeah that's fair I mean but I wasn't allowed to, like, watch MTV and stuff. Again, I grew up in the South. My parents, like, you're not watching the real world or anything. No, I wasn't allowed to.

I wasn't allowed to watch any of that. So think of who you know now. Everybody I know now, like Monet and Traders, great. Yeah. I thought they were fantastic. They were hilarious. And I'm like, okay, they're pretty cool, you know? But I think the people we've met in the sauna.

And I'm like, I think Monet is great. You did a show with Monet, too. And they were, like, pretty fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Awesome. Okay. Tell everybody where they can watch Hot Goss. Ooh.

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So at E-Hot-Goss, I believe. And episodes come out every Thursday. Every single Thursday. And we raise every single week on Thursday. We stay in there weekly. Your episode has just come out. We're all right. So it will be an amazing watch.

Yeah, it was a lot of fun. Thank you for coming forward to it. Tell everybody where they can find you individually on social media. Mine is just my name at E-R-A-L-B-O-O-K-E-R. You can find me at Lonnie I-I-V. I'm Lonnie-I-V-N-I-V-N-I-V-N-I-V-O-N-N-I-V on Instagram, YouTube, anywhere. Their social media. Okay.

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