Where Everybody Knows Your Name with Ted Danson and Woody Harrelson (sometimes) - Alfre Woodard

Episode Date: July 1, 2026

Emmy-winning actor Alfre Woodard joins her longtime friend Ted Danson to talk about the nurse she got her nickname from, the relationship between film and activism, how playing Winnie Mandela led to t...heir real-life relationship, why she feels most at home in the South, and her experience in the cast of Netflix’s “The Boroughs.”   Like watching your podcasts?  Visit http://youtube.com/teamcoco to see full episodes.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 If anybody in your vicinity is hungry, then you need to put your fork down and go make sure everybody has something to eat tonight. Welcome back to where everybody knows your name. Today I'm so excited to introduce you to my friend Alphrey Woodard, from St. Elsewhere to Passion Fish to 12 years of slave. Alphrey has earned her reputation as one of the all-time greats. Literally, the New York Times called her. one of the 25 greatest actors of the 21st century. We work together on the film Mumford and the TV adaptation of Gulliver's Travels. Alphrey also currently stars in the sci-fi series The Burroughs on Netflix. I adore her and cannot wait for you to meet her. Here's Alphrey Woodham.
Starting point is 00:01:01 My favorite people signing autographs thing was, you know, See, anyway, no, I'll tell him. You know Mary's son Charlie. Yes. Right. He's delicious. See, I remember him three years old, mostly. We were at the top of the Empire State Building, for some reason, showing the kids around,
Starting point is 00:01:23 and these school girls happened to have seen cheers or something, whatever. They came up to me, and they lined up, and they all wanted, and I was furiously lining, and Charlie slipped in line, and I didn't even look up, and I just signed it and handed him and it was the story of proof that I am out to lunch and pay no attention to my children or anything like that. You know, Charlie, because you worked with Mary twice. Yes. Yes, I did.
Starting point is 00:01:51 And you know what? Lily was the only toddler. She was a child. She might have been two. She wasn't even sort of cognizant of Easter. Cross Creek. Yes. And there had been a flood?
Starting point is 00:02:07 and we had to get in a boat to row over to their house, her and Malcolm's house, for an Easter egg hunt because Lily, who was like one and a half, but all of the adults, that's how we do family. It was like, well, it's Easter we have to do that.
Starting point is 00:02:24 And, you know, you could drive down the street, but at a certain point you had to get him a little, you know, country boat and row over. And, of course, there's all these adults that was, God, I'm forgetting, Joe Tompkins and everything, Everybody, like, here's an egg, Lily. I think there's one here and all. But, yeah, so I see, talk about not seeing people for a while, I would see Charlie and
Starting point is 00:02:50 Lily maybe once every 10 years or 20 years. But they are that close in my heart and my memory. Yeah. Did you have kids then or no? No, mine was Mavis was, I think, six months old when we went down to shoot this wild thing called Miss Firecracker. No, the Gun and Betty Lou's handbag.
Starting point is 00:03:15 And so Mavis learned to walk and they still call her because she's very pretty child. And Michael O'Neill called a Miss Puddy. And so they will still, she's 34 and they'll still say, how's Miss Puddy doing like the casting crew from that? But by the time we got to, no, we were practice for a family when we did Miss Firecracker. And so we got Finley, a black lab,
Starting point is 00:03:44 to bring back to Santa Monica, to practice coming home and being responsible for something. Oh. Because back then, I mean, we lived, you know, in Santa Monica. A lot of our friends lived in Beachwood Canyon or Lost Felicia somewhere.
Starting point is 00:04:01 So if you were out and hanging out, it's like, oh, I'm not driving all right back there. And we also, before that, lived in Manhattan Beach. So you just crashed wherever you were at your friend's house. We said, okay, we want to start a family, but we have to learn how to go home and feed it and let it out. Well, you're married to an incredible father. I mean, he's. Yes.
Starting point is 00:04:25 According to Mary, he's pretty spectacular. Mary, oh, my God. I don't know when I've seen Mary. I know she's told you about the two of us. You know, it was back during the apartheid era, and we sent out a call around the industry. Then you had, what do you call it, mimeographs or what are those things? Yeah, mimigraphs. What came after mimeographs?
Starting point is 00:04:49 Fax machines. Facts. So you sent faxes around saying anybody interested in working on South Africa and trying to, trying to assist with the dismantlement of apartheid and our disengagement, you know, as a government with them, you know, to come. Anyway, there's a whole long story, but basically people came out. We went to, it was Bob Guillaume and Donna Browne Giam's house. We thought maybe 20 people would show up. There were a couple hundred people, like 300 people, like sitting all out on the deck and everywhere. And so we decided we were going to go to D.C.
Starting point is 00:05:34 And we were all amped up and knew a lot. People were politically involved and they knew a lot about the things they were doing. But they were receptionist, editors, everybody that had any sort of sensibility about that. And we planned this whole thing of going there. And when it came down to it, the day that we actually could go to D.C., it was just me and Mary on the plane going to have a showdown with, the Senate about, you know, why, you know, the liberation movement, the black people, the majority population, they were the ones who were akin to us in our democracy, not because
Starting point is 00:06:15 before that it was like, oh, if they're Caucasian, they must, we must be on their side. But I remember her cornering Pete Wilson. Pete Wilson? He was so excited. That was our senator then. He was a governor or something once. He's the reason our school. went down the toilet.
Starting point is 00:06:33 That's a whole other conversation. But, because we used to have the number one school district in the country all across California. But he heard that there was a movie star there. Mary Steenberg, and I'm going to, oh, my God, Mary Steenverton is here. And he was just strutting up to her. And she said, let me tell you what is in his face. He was just shocked. And he just, he just listened because he just couldn't believe.
Starting point is 00:07:01 Mary Steenberg, the beautiful, mannered Mary Steenberg, and was giving him what for about not paying attention to the fact that people were being, their lives were being ended and brutalized. I think that moment ended with the door being slammed in your face by Pete. Well, Pete didn't even, I was standing next to it. Pete didn't even look at me. It was like, and there's the little brown one. I don't even have to turn towards her.
Starting point is 00:07:32 Wow. Yeah. And here we are. And revisiting some of this. And I remember dancing at you guys' wedding. I know. Yeah. We also got to play, we were vastly different sizes.
Starting point is 00:07:47 But you played the queen of Brobding Nag. Yes. And Gullabers Travels. And you were big and I was small. This is the land of the giant. Yes. Yes. So I don't think we actually got to look at each other in the eye.
Starting point is 00:08:03 You were probably looking at some dot or some tennis ball for your eye line. But I just, I'm so happy to visit with you. I just love you, Ted. And I, you know, it ignites in my heart every time I see you on screen. So it's good to just sit with you. So sweet. Back at you. Thanks.
Starting point is 00:08:23 And you're infallible as an actor. You really are. Every time I see you. The same confidence you, watched it and I'm going, I'm terrified as I'm at first day of school, I'm starting to read through. No, you're so good. You know how when you watch a film, whether you're looking at it at the director or an actor, within seconds, even if you don't know the actor, you will go, oh, I'm in good hands, that confidence that you can relax and I'll go wherever you want to take me, Alphrey, because I'm relaxed
Starting point is 00:08:59 second you come on screen that I know I'm in good hands. And you have that. You really do. Yeah. Oh, wow. You're also so elegant. You really are such an elegant person too. I have so many questions for you. You are elegant. That's lovely. Let's take a vote. Everybody in the room. Elegant. Oh, no pressure. So I have two stories that Mary said, you've got to ask her. Okay. So, so Just back, you grew up in Oklahoma. Tulsa. Late 50s, early 60s. Early 50s.
Starting point is 00:09:35 Early 50s. I didn't want to say early 50s because that's me, my growing up. I was born in 47. You were born in 54. 52. All right. See, how well I know you. Well, ages aren't important, but let's go on.
Starting point is 00:09:50 Okay. So, and your daddy was a designer. And that's really the first question. I had, because Mary said, you have to have Alfried tell the story about how her dad became an interior design. Oh, that's... Is this ringing a bell? Absolutely, but it's too long. Because I don't know it.
Starting point is 00:10:13 No, it's too long for here. No, it's not. No, it's not. Oh, well, you don't have to tell it if you don't want. Okay. I'll tell you this story, but it's a little, it's long for here. Okay. We have time.
Starting point is 00:10:26 No, oh, you don't want to. You'll tell me sometimes. Okay, very good. Then I'll know that when you're back east, then you'll actually come over. I'm not going to have Mary tell it to me. I'm going to work for you. All right, that's a story to come. The other story was how you got nicknamed Bootsie?
Starting point is 00:10:43 Oh, that's, yes. Normally I wouldn't want you to say that aloud because I'm going to tell you this. If anybody, anybody listening, if you're going to call me Bootsie in public, you're going to see the in elegant elf. free. Why did Mary load me up with these stories? This is not fair. Because she thought we were just going to be together yacking and there wouldn't be your gazillions of listeners there.
Starting point is 00:11:14 I have two stories. Okay, but Bootsie, I do want to talk about that. It's just the fact of it. We get nicknames at birth in our family and mine was Bootsie. At birth, you get a nickname. You know, it might be a week or two later. but my mother, I was an 11-month pregnancy, and it was truly, you know, counted.
Starting point is 00:11:37 It wasn't like somebody forgot something. And my mother was small. She was like she might have been, she said she was five, too, I don't know. But she was tiny, but she would end up having these, you know, weighing, going up to 180 pounds that little with these pregnancies.
Starting point is 00:11:56 But normally she wore size, for pants. And she said, okay, this thing, I take too long for stories. This part is not part of the story, but it's good. She,
Starting point is 00:12:08 you know, she might nurse a glass of wine for two days. That's all the alcohol she did. But my father had a bottle of wild turkey next to the bed in his easy chair. And she was so big,
Starting point is 00:12:20 she couldn't pick up anything if he was gone. So when he would go out, he'd set her up in the chair. And then, you know, she would be fine until he came home. Well, she was sitting there. She said, I was miserable. I just said, Father God, just take me. I can't take this anymore. So she started drinking this wild turkey,
Starting point is 00:12:40 and she passed out eventually. And there was only a matter of a couple of hours. He came back. She was on the floor with the water broken, and he rushed to the airport, and I flew out within an hour. I was here. Anyway, the Morton's hospital. was the name of it back then. And it was a colored hospital. As everything was, it was colored a white back in that day. And they weren't particularly nice. They had a couple of black nurses, but it was mainly white nurses and staff and all.
Starting point is 00:13:14 But they were mean to the black women. They were just, are they, if not mean, overlooking a lot of times. But my mom had had some, you know, they needed to really keep track of her with this pregnancy and all. I came out normal and like normal size like seven and a half pounds back then people didn't have 10 pound babies. But she was in pain a lot after the birth. And, you know, she said people just would moan and call out and nobody would come for him. She said there was a woman that came to her and would sit with her at night and just chip up ice and feed it to her. And she would rub my mother's feet.
Starting point is 00:13:59 Look, I'm getting misty about it. She would rub my mother's feet and feed her ice chips, this nurse. And the nurse's name was boots. And so when she, I got my birth name from my godmother, which is Alphrey. So we knew it was going to be that. But as soon as my mom got home, she said the baby's nickname is Bootsie. Oh, I love that. Because of boots.
Starting point is 00:14:25 Yeah. But still, don't y'all be calling me Bootsie? Like, you know me like Bootsie Collins. Because you get called your nickname. When you go to school, you get your government name. I had a government name, the official one, which I might as well say that it's Alphrey Luanda, Gene Woodard was my name. Jean was spelled wrong because they let my six-year-old sister name me that. She wanted to put a name in.
Starting point is 00:14:54 And they said, Gene is J-E-A-N. She goes, no, no, I want it to two E's. So it's just weird in my naming. But anyway, I was called Bootsie all my life to the point that even at school, at school, like in high school, when I went away, I think the first thing I did was probably was Alan Rudolph's picture that Bob Altman produced called Remember My Name. And so they saw Alfie Woodard. And then the TV thing is when I did Freedom Road with Ali and Christopherson. So by that time, my high school friends and middle school and all, they said, oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:43 I said, I heard Bootsie Woodard is in Hollywood and she's doing pretty good, except she changed her name to Alphrey. Alphrey, that's not a good name. But Alphrey kicked in. My godmother would always say to me, you know your God-given name, right? Your real name, I say, yes, yes, I know. She said, everybody calls you Bootsie, but just so you remember your name
Starting point is 00:16:09 because that's your God-given name because she had prayed for a name. She knew she was going to be my godmother. And so Alphrey was my name. I get to be you. government, you registered. So on my door at the dorm was Alphrey Woodard. And I
Starting point is 00:16:26 just went, well call me Alphrey because only my friend Sugar Bear called me Alphrey. But she thought of us. High school or, I mean... When I went to college. College. Yeah, when I went to college, at BU. So the, and when people
Starting point is 00:16:40 said it, she had said it was my God name. When people said it, things changed in because it was my God-given name. And I felt like myself in a very grounded way that, you know, I was an odd child. I was popular because I was one of those weird ones that didn't hide away and let themselves be ostracized.
Starting point is 00:17:15 I was odd in your face and participating all the time. So, but I also feel like, you know how you're, you're born where you come out, but then you find out where you really live when you have a choice. So, but it started with being called Alphrey and I understand why, and I'll tell you off mic, why, but that's when my feet was strongly flat on the car. What was the first thing you did after BU? Was it theater? I came here and, okay, so, you know, you're studying all this classical theater and all in conservatory at BU and then the last semester, you know, you think you're going to the open gate theater and du Bric all your life.
Starting point is 00:18:22 And like the last semester, they bring Marty in from New York to say, okay, This is what you got to do. Get you some head shots, get yourself a black turtleneck, and find yourself a waiting job. And, you know, a lot of my classmates did, and some did well. But I immediately, I wanted to be in film. That was what I realized that I was suited for and what I thought I could bring to the world. Because we thought we could change the world when we were.
Starting point is 00:18:56 when we were young because we desperately needed to. Remember, we were hiding under the desk with our hands behind our head to prevent dying in a nuclear blast. That's what they told us to do. And they shot everybody in the head that believed the things that we were being taught
Starting point is 00:19:18 like everybody had equal rights. Everybody was equal under the law. everybody was, if you will, a child of the universe. And everybody that said it, Malcolm, Metga, Bobby, Martin. And they just assumed Jack Kennedy felt that way too because he was young and it was a new time. So when we were choosing professions, it was like even if you wanted to break bread, I mean, bake bread, he was like, okay, well, how can I use this to save the world? Because, you know, we spent all that time in the streets,
Starting point is 00:20:01 trying to save our friends who were having to go off to a war that was, okay, we won't get into that. But we watched all of our young people around us being fed into a war machine and not coming back, or if they came back, really damaged. And so I was being shown film by Brother Patrick O'Brien at Bishop Kelly High.
Starting point is 00:20:31 And he was a film buff. So they would shut down the school once a month. Take all 750 kids to the nearest cinema and he would show us whatever film he was excited about. And so that's when I
Starting point is 00:20:46 started to watch film and understand that, you know, first you're like, this is not a movie. This is a lesson. It's got words on it. We got to read because it was subtitles and all. But I'm sitting there in the dark identifying with a person of a French man, middle-aged man, and I'm 14, watching Sundays and Sabelle. And I could go on, but it was just that I realized how powerful the moving image was.
Starting point is 00:21:16 And for me, it was like, that's what we do. We commandeer the moving image. We can, that was, you know, there are those of us who thought that's how we'd save the world. But it was all about... Did you make that connection with those words or is that kind of in hindsight realizing that? No. In that moment. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:36 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because people did it. There's nothing casual going on around you in your life. No. It was all very much life and death. Yeah. It was, we were all, not for all, but I guess the people I kept coming with.
Starting point is 00:21:50 We were, you were activists. I'm a daughter of Greenwood. You were activists. And, you know, you had fun. You dicked around. And, uh-oh, I sticked around. But, you know, welcome. You know, there was a lot of joy because when you're struggling, when you're in the struggle,
Starting point is 00:22:10 it is invigorating because you're standing with the truth. So it makes you joyful. So, you know, people think, oh, if somebody's too dour and. serious about themselves, they're not focused on the fact that they're standing with the truth. And most likely they're not going to be that effective because I do believe if you're coming from fear and anger and trying to make change and doesn't work. Mary had the same different, obviously, you know, from a white perspective, she was a little girl watching kids go to school and Little Rock High School and they were throwing rocks.
Starting point is 00:22:50 at them and yelling words at them. And she didn't want, there was the first integration of these, I don't know how many kids it was, but it was a handful of black kids who were integrated into that school. And she looked at it on the news and went, oh, I don't want to go to school.
Starting point is 00:23:08 I don't want to go to school. But she was, you know, you always think, oh, the South. No, the South actually had to deal with their racism and had to choose earlier on. So she said there was nothing casual. You realize that at an early age, you either thought that that was wrong or you went along with it. And you chose.
Starting point is 00:23:31 You couldn't be on the fence. That's, Mary was my first, if you want to say, quote unquote, Hollywood friend. It was like, we recognized each other because not only did we drink the same water. She was Little Rock. I'm an hour and a half, maybe two hours away in Tulsa. but we knew the same people and we had the same experience and we also had the, you also, like again,
Starting point is 00:23:58 we laugh louder and harder about stuff and inappropriately is the key to doing it. But also, in the South, I'm still more comfortable in the South, believe it or not, than I am in most parts of the country. Yep. Because everything was, dealt with. We're all DNA related to each other. And so with family, you learn to live together.
Starting point is 00:24:28 When you're together, you can't say that person's not human. It's like, oh, yes, they are because, you know, my kid fell and broke their head open. They scooped them up and helped me get them to the hospital. They put, you know, all of that kind of stuff. And so people realize it's their opinion that, you know, that we are not created equal and meant to be treated that way. So that's, again, and that takes us all the way up to us and that final thing. People had things to do, like maybe they had to be on their show or maybe they had whatever they had to do. But we did too, but we got on that plane and we went to D.C. together.
Starting point is 00:25:08 And we got there and we got to the plane and we just said, we're the only ones that just started Kathleen, and it's like, yes, daughters. Yes, you are, because you are daughters of the enlightenment that will save the nation. Yeah. And you both came from, you're both well loved. Yes. By your parents. And you, and your decency was a big word of whether it was said or not. I'm assuming. Those kind of parents that tell you, it doesn't matter if you're eating, if anybody in your vicinity is hungry, then you need to put your fork down and go make sure everybody has something to eat tonight.
Starting point is 00:25:50 I'm bouncing around, but you played Winnie, Mandela. Were you around her? Did you get to spend any time with her? What was that experience like, I may ask? You know, when we did Mandela, we shot it in Zimbabwe. There was huge, not even expectation, people that had fled for their lives or they were had they were underground but they had to get
Starting point is 00:26:18 out of South Africa if you were part of liberation movement there so we Danny and I were were already um active in the anti-apartheid movement and that was you and Danny Glover and Mary and a few handful other people started answer artists for a new South artist for a free South Africa then that became artists for New South Africa. And so it was a way for us to, you know, sometimes you have the good fortune of letting your sensibilities, your spiritual, political, social, opinions or the things that you live to activate, they'll cross with your artistic, the artistic lanes.
Starting point is 00:27:11 and you get to do that. So we did do Mandela for HBO back in the day. And then everybody was still on the island, and Winnie and them were banned. They couldn't leave, and none of us could go in. But you made that, sorry, I misunderstood. He was still in prison. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:33 But you want to know, this is how I got to be friends with Medea, was that, again, because humans are humans, Being on the island was on Abraban Island took away a lot of their life that didn't get lived out in open. But there was also a kind of inculcated them against the daily assault of apartheid. That Winnie and other people suffered because they were dragged out, interrogated in the middle of the night, all of that. and they didn't want the political prisoners to infect the rest of the criminal population, so they kept them together. And so what became, it became what was called Mandela University.
Starting point is 00:28:23 If you got sent to Robben Island, it's like, can you get into the cell block areas that had Mediba and Cathrata and, I'm linking now, on all the names, Embeke, but they would bring in all of Medeba's law books. They actually, because they're like, well, we don't care, give them whatever they're asking for. And the jailers who were farm boys, Afrikana farm boys, who that society that had so much, so much wealth, they didn't think of them as deserving of a lot of humanity. So they were put there with Mediba in them. So for the first time, those guys who were told that, you know,
Starting point is 00:29:18 like the blacks were monsters and they were literally monsters and devils. You know, they were being given respect by Mediba when another white man hadn't given them that in their society. And they actually learned things from. Mediba. So people would do things and make what you would normally make for a person that when you're in their presence, you understood that you were in the presence of thoughtfulness and intelligence and compassion. So all of that to say, within a couple of months of when it aired on HBO, Mediba and them had a B-HR. What do we call those things? Cassette. Yeah, B-H-H-R.
Starting point is 00:30:04 They had a cassette of Mandela on Robin Island, and it was never shown until South Africa was free. It was never shown to the greater population. So that's when he saw me and Danny. And we also did a lot of work helping the underground. And so they knew the work that we were doing, but that just goes back to it. Yeah, so I played Winnie.
Starting point is 00:30:32 when I finally met both of them is when they came, once he was released and they came, did across the world tour, came over to the Coliseum. And there was a big celebration of Medea there. And, yeah, we got to introduce them. She practically squeezed my head off my whole body. I mean, she's, yeah, but, and so I went through all the. different years with them of, you know, the complications that the abuse she suffered at the hands of the police that, you know, made her life complicated, complicated because, you know, she reacted the way a person who is abused, oppressed and abused reacts, and it made things
Starting point is 00:31:25 difficulty, but difficult, but we all remained friends even as they were separated. And I was particularly close with him. How amazing. I mean, that your craft, your art allowed that meeting. And then later in life also working for with Obama, what would he put you in charge of an educational, and I'm blanking on the name of it, but it was to be. It was called Turnaround Arts.
Starting point is 00:31:55 Right. And that came out of the President's Committee on Arts and Humanities, which he was the first president that actually had artists on that committee. I think it started with Gerald Ford, but it was always whoever had given the most of their campaigns and things, and they met once a year. But they had about 45 artists in every discipline, and arts curators and arts advocates on that committee.
Starting point is 00:32:28 So incredible things came out. like the turnaround arts, which was using arts to really turn around failing schools in the country. But there was another thing they did. I don't know what it was named, but, you know, I remember the first time I went to Harare. I turned on the TV in Zimbabwe, and it was Yellow Rose. I'd never heard of it or seen it. That was what was on Yellow Rose of Texas with Civil Shepard. It was on in Harare.
Starting point is 00:33:01 And all of these things that people, because you didn't have contact with Americans, you thought that's how Americans lived. Because that was the kind of fantasy stuff we were putting out here. And they did a program, the Presidents Committee, where they took independent filmmakers like Peter Bratt. I won't start naming everybody. And they took those, they said, we have, we realized that like 80, of the world population is younger than I am.
Starting point is 00:33:34 So we have a chance. The State Department, Under Obama did this. Also, we have a chance to redefine ourselves as Americans so people really know who we are and not just our armament and, you know, Dallas, everybody driving around these huge cars with big lands. And so that was another thing that that same committee did was to send, oh, oh, my brother, wow. Oh, I'm blanking on my brother's name who did Freedom Riders. He's an incredible, he's an incredible documentarian. He went to China with Freedom Riders.
Starting point is 00:34:10 And in that, in that audience, somebody helped me. Stanley Nelson. Oh, my God, the brilliant Stanley Nelson. He, they sent him to China. And in, and so, of course, you know, sometimes it's, is love. how bureaucrats and autocrats don't know shite. They didn't know, you don't show freedom riders to, you know, 400 Chinese young people.
Starting point is 00:34:44 The question, the Q&A, instead of like, oh, America, that was really terrible. They said, it makes me think about individual freedom. How do you move? Yeah. Yeah. So that's how you get over on the man. You just stay with the truth. The man is really so far away from the truth. They don't even know when you're being subversive. That when you inject the arts into education. No, no, no, no, no, no. You grades go up. I mean, it sounds like, oh, this is warm and fuzzy. People want to paint pictures and da-da-da-da. And it's a waste of time. It should be science and arithmetic and something. It will build something. grades go up in all the reading, writing, arithmetic stuff if you give them the arts. And when...
Starting point is 00:35:31 That's a fact. We did, we accumulated all of this thing. We gave it to them. It's a, you know, not a pamphlet, but a whole thing. About 72 pages of how it works for, a year we accumulated, kidding. See, this has been in the back of my mind a long time, but there was all this evidence,
Starting point is 00:36:00 30 years worth of evidence that within the same school, if you had, gave a group of kids instrumental music and the others didn't have it, those kids had instrumental music, their math scores went up. And well, now we can see that when somebody
Starting point is 00:36:18 is playing an instrument, we have the technology to see that there's a certain part of their brain that lights up, that would be the same part that that comprehends and retains mathematical language and sensibility. So, yeah, so it's not only that it humanizes us, which should be the basis and the point of education anyway, but it also, it opens up parts of the brain that allows us to do the science, that allows us to do the history. All those things that the people on the other side want and stress. Well, guess what?
Starting point is 00:37:01 Put arts in and your kids will be even better at that thing you care about. Okay. You so serious? Burroughs. Tell me about burrows, because are you traveling the world talking about burrows? It looks amazing. I haven't seen it yet, but I watched the trailer and clips and all that. Spooky.
Starting point is 00:37:32 Kind of spooky? It is. It is, it is scary on a lot of levels because what the best thing about it is that it takes place in the retirement community. So it's one of those where, you know, we've read about where there's like 2,000 people and they're all, you know, gray-haired and they party and they're running around in golf carts and, you know, they do everything. It's like you get to play.
Starting point is 00:38:01 And there's freedom because you know stuff you didn't know when you were playing before in your teens, 20s, 30s. And so, yeah, there is the fun of that, but there's something sinister happening at this particular one. And we don't quite know what it is. And we think it's one thing, that people talk about, you know, memory and the things that frighten us now are, I'm going to break my back or everything.
Starting point is 00:38:35 And so you think that might be happening, but it is deeper, deeper than the earth, what is actually going on there. Who directed it again? Okay. Just what you asked me like. No, no, I haven't. No, no, I haven't. Okay.
Starting point is 00:38:52 Yeah. Will and Jeff? Is it Duffer? The Duffer Brothers are executive producers. So it has what they recognized in our showrunners, when they pitch the idea, they recognized the Stranger Thingsness of it all. And so they came on.
Starting point is 00:39:14 So they were our executive producers and Hillary Levitt who runs, who was their producer for Stranger Things. on with us. And, yeah, it's a lot of things. It makes you, you know, there's great laughter. Well, that's what attracted me. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:36 One of my favorite actors, Alfred Malina. And one of the best guys ever. He's just a lovely, lovely man. But one of the cool things was maybe like the top eight people on the call sheet were over 70. They say 65, but I know. So it was so great.
Starting point is 00:40:02 You should have seen our first HR meeting. You know, the lovely lady couldn't get to Albuquerque or she shot. So you got like a room with all of us and they're like Jenna
Starting point is 00:40:18 had just turned 40, I think. And then some of our other brilliant young ones, they're like in their like 41 and 42. Will and Jeff are 43 and 44. And then you had the kids who were in the back of the room talking smack getting put out all the time. Oh my goodness. It was, you know, Pullman, Clark, Peters, Gina, my heart, Gina Davis, Dennis O'Hare. I shouldn't have started mentioning people to go around that room. No, you did pretty good. But, you know, It's just things like she was talking and talking. Someone said, can anybody hear her?
Starting point is 00:40:58 Somebody goes, no. Somebody just their hearing aid. I don't know. Can I use one of the part of that? And then we started giggling. Finally somebody said, you know, we can't hear you. And you just then start laughing. And then she tells us all what we can't say.
Starting point is 00:41:15 You can't say, oh, you look good in those jeans today. It's like, no. And you can't call anybody, honey. baby, anything. It was like, what are we going to say to each other? And then I'm not going to say who said. Well, how will I know if my butt looks good in the jeans? If nobody tells me.
Starting point is 00:41:34 But, oh, my God. So it was so generational and talking about what makes us feel safe. It's a good thing, but there are some losses that go along with the good thing. You know, yeah. If you're acting up, we will all take you down. Yeah. Messing around with somebody, one of our people. That's good.
Starting point is 00:41:58 But we will all take you down. But that's how, yeah, that's how it had been. Just like we used to get put out on the street to go play. Nobody hovered over us and had orange slices for us when we were on one of those things at the park that goes around and you can't get off of it. then you're upchucking and the boys keep spinning it. So, yeah, we're kind of that generation. So that's what's fun about it because our whole group, we live on a cul-de-sac. And even at the boroughs, we're kind of the odd kids, overgrown kids.
Starting point is 00:42:40 And we, that's why we're the ones out trying to figure out what the hell is going on. The other ones are just still having fun. But the kids from the back of the room is like, something's going on. Let's fix it now. And, yeah, it's a lot of fun. It's great. It's coming out on the 21st on Netflix.
Starting point is 00:43:01 Yes. I will give Mary your love. She wanted you to know how much she loves you. And I get two stories coming my way. When we're having a glass of something. No, you got bootsy. I told you boozy. That's right.
Starting point is 00:43:15 I got Bootsy. But everybody's on your own. Honor, if you love me, don't call me Bootsie because... That's... Bootsie... That's the autobiography. Don't call me Bootsie. Oh.
Starting point is 00:43:26 Oh, God, Chad. You just made it funny. Now they're going to be saying, what are you putting your autobiography, Bootsie? Okay. Yeah. Anyway. I love you.
Starting point is 00:43:38 I love you, too. And please give Roderick, my love. And your daughter is still riding? Is she riding? She owns a horse farm. with her fiance. Oh, wow. They compete on the international circuit.
Starting point is 00:43:51 Oh, she just had her first full-born. They buy and sell and show horses, but they started to breed. And she just sent me a thing, I'm a grandmother. And we see the little one just trying to stand up. Yeah, it's beautiful. And my Duncan is just the king of my heart. He is, yeah. Are we lucky?
Starting point is 00:44:18 We are. We're not lucky. We're fortunate. But everybody has the same good fortune. Because good is a foot and it is a law. And we just have to be looking for it because it's already there. It kind of breaks down for me. It's like, be grateful.
Starting point is 00:44:40 And hum a note, hum a note in life that maybe makes a difference. Nice. know, a kind note, a nurturing note. And then... Yes. The rest is gravy. That was the fantastic Alphrey Woodard.
Starting point is 00:45:03 I am so sorry that we didn't have more time to talk. Many great stories to come. Catcher in the Burroughs on Netflix. That's it for this week. Special thanks to Team Coco. If you enjoyed this episode, send it to a loved one. Rate and review on Apple Podcasts, if you have a mind. Once again, you can watch...
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