Where Everybody Knows Your Name with Ted Danson and Woody Harrelson (sometimes) - James Van Praagh

Episode Date: January 28, 2026

Today we’re visited by James Van Praagh, the world-famous spiritual medium and NYT-bestselling author. Ted shares the uncanny story about how he and Mary befriended James, plus the time they witnessed him change a family’s life. James talks about how he developed his gift, his thoughts on the afterlife, dealing with those we disagree with, and how all of us can become more sensitive to the spiritual realm.  To learn more about James’s work, visit vanpraagh.com Like watching your podcasts?  Visit http://youtube.com/teamcoco to see full episodes.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

So as a medium, my job is really working for the spirit world. Not for the humans, I'm really working for them. Welcome back to where everybody knows your name. I'm very excited today because we've never had a guest quite like this one. I'm talking about James von Praagh, the world-famous spiritual medium and best-selling author. I love his book, Talking to Heaven, and I had the honor of making a film with my wife Mary, based on his life, so I got to spend a lot of time with James. Wherever you land on the subject of spirituality and our ability to communicate with the

beyond, I think we can all learn something from this. So please take a breath and see for yourself. Here's James von Praagh. Just so you know, Mary, which will bring up a lot, my wife, Mary's team virgin for well, everyone who tunes in ever knows that because I talk about her all the time, but sends her love. Thank you, and I send it back.

And she's the reason why we're sitting here. Yeah, it's a weird story. It's a weird story. Can you just to establish how weird we're going to go, can I just quickly tell that part? Yeah. You know the part about the airplane.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mary's on an airplane. How many years ago? And she never talks to people, and it was like her father pushed her. Yep. Or Thea. Or Thea.

I think probably. And it was how many years? That was 2001, maybe? Yeah. And you're right. She loves the airplane because she can do nothing and be answerable to nothing. No kid or husband can reach her, right? How are the kids, by the way?

The kids are. Everybody's fantastic, including grandchildren, five of which we have. Congratulations. Just delicious. And congratulations on a humanitarian award, you guys got. I saw that. Yeah. Congratulations.

Thank you very much. And I loved you playing in a good place, good boy. Hey, Mike sure got it right. Pretty close. It's pretty good. Anyway. Very good. So Mary's sitting there and she, some, not a voice, it's her voice in her head, but one, you know, her one part of her brain says, hey, talk to the man next you.

And she, no. It's the last thing I want to do, talk to the man next to you. Okay. So she says, um. what kind of computer is that? You know, lame. And he says, I'm so glad you started to talk to me because I actually have a script that I wanted to send to you. I said, oh, tell me about it.

And he told her about his script and her brain goes, no, that's not it. She said, well, what else are you working on? Well, I just option a book by James von Pragg talking to heaven. Yeah. Yeah. And the voice went, yep, that's it. And by the end of the conversation, she said, can you get me in touch with James von Pragg? And then she calls and you said something like, you know, oh, they told me you were coming or something, some version of that. Something, I thought. Anyway, that's how we got together. Those things happen. Yeah. And then I did went and did a meeting at your house.

Many meetings because we also, I think it happened first that... No, no, no, no way to do this. I don't know if you know this, but I remember, because I don't remember a lot of stuff that comes through, but I do remember your dad came through. And it's the first time we were together at your house, and you just had to me before, you know, I don't if I really leave this. It's okay.

It's all right. Just enjoy it. And you were sitting there and you were on an Ottoman, I think, right in front of me. And there are other people there, which I didn't know anyone. I did my thing, and your father came through. Yeah. I do remember he was wearing a herringbone jacket and he sent him about the fireplace.

And you went, oh, and you fell off the bottom. I thought, oh, wow. What did I just happen to you? And after we're done, you told me about when you come home from work every day, and you told me that made sense. And I said, wow, next day, I got a phone call from the producer.

Okay. And he said, you know, we're having trouble casting the miniseries. I said, really, he goes, yeah, you know, Les MoonVez is thinking a couple of people. One guy, you know, he did Becker. And I'm like, Ted dance, and he goes, yeah.

And I said, come on. He goes, no, I said, I was just with Ted. And he goes, can you talk to him? I said, no, I can't. I'm not crossing. But that was, that's how that whole, how that things work out. It's so incredible. So we hung out a lot.

I was around you for many evenings. It went in kind of preparation for, or just the luxury of being able to be around you because we were about to do a film loosely based. on your life. And I'm going to leave it there. Then there's other stories that I do want to tell later on. But just so we're all on the same page, what is a medium? Tell me your process so that everyone understands what we're talking about. Okay. So a medium is someone, and we're all sensitive, is someone who's very sensitive to, if you will, energies, right? We're all energy. So I'm able to, a medium is able to attune themselves to a frequency,

which is outside kind of the physical range. And that's attuning yourself to just higher frequencies, feelings, sensitivity. And as they developed as a medium for seven years, they used to sit in the quiet. And it's called Development Circle. And I said every Tuesday night with other people that were developing their psychic abilities, their intuitive selves, their psychic self. And I just sit there in the quiet and let your soul kind of empowerment,

I guess we would say, best words. Sometimes there are no words that could describe it. And really, they are attuning you, the spirit people, your guides, they're attuning you to these vibrations, these frequencies, and you'll feel chills, you'll feel temperature changes, you start seeing things, and you just surrender, just surrender to that intuitive self, that light, and you just don't think about it. You just are there.

So seven years, it's every Tuesday, and right around the corner from here, by the way, diverting where we are. And they used to come through stronger and stronger. It was only seven years before I gave my first. message to someone in the group because I wanted to make sure that it was correct. And that was, but I used to see Spirit as a little boy. I used to see when I was in the crib, I remember. They'd throw me in the back room in the crib and I was like, I don't know how old I was,

maybe 18 months. And I didn't want to be there. I want to be in the front living room with the family. And they put me back there and there was going to be like a lollipop. I wouldn't ever use it. I remember most evenings, the corner of the room, there was a man with white hair and blue eyes and he'd come over to me and he'd play with a mobile, this looking mobile thing. I was fascinated by that. Years later, probably five, six years later, I was with my grandmother

and she was opening up a photograph album. I said, wait, who is that person? I know that person. She said, oh, that's your grandfather. He died before you were born. He said, he used to come see me. So I used to have those situations. Not all the time, you know, every once in a while. And it seemed very natural. I was raised Catholic, very Catholic, and I said prayers every night with my mother at the end of the bed. And one night I asked, Mom, who are those being people with lights around them? She was, oh, them? Those are God's angels. You see them too? I used to see them when I was a little girl. She goes, it's okay. Nothing of fear, I always help you. And from that moment on, it seemed very natural to me, and it's just a strong sense of intuition sensitivity. As you as an actor,

using that energy to create. I think it's creative energy. And I think we use it in all different ways, whether it's my work, acting, musical work. You know, it's that creative energy, I think, is the best way to describe it. There's so many things which we just don't know down here, this dimension, because there are many levels of consciousness.

So we could say it's also tuning into an awareness that's outside of the physical realm. And also, Ted, the way I like to see it is, I'm like a radio. Like there are radio signals around us. It's a little of times the signals around us, but I'm able to, and we want to hear the music. Music is always playing, but we have to tune in to hear the right signal to hear that music. So I'm someone who's set for many years in development to be able to tune in to a signal.

And it's really interesting when you let go of the ego self, the human self, and you realize you're a soul having a human experience, your whole perspective changes. And that's the only going to describe it. And not every medium is the same. Everyone is different as personalities are different. But I've surrounded my whole life now, 40 years of doing this work. And it's service. It's serving the humankind.

And you see people's, as you know, lives change. Someone can walk into my room and be an incredible cloud of darkness. And then their loved one comes through. Some comes through and changes them and tells them they're alive. They're fine. They're more alive than ever. And that person walks out in a cloud of love and joy. And it changes their life.

I have seen that. You've seen that. We'll tell a story that, yeah, in a minute. But I remember when sitting and you do, sometimes there'd be 15, 20 people in the room. Yeah. And I would watch you, and I'd already had an experience. I remember to be more specific about my father, my father said, he said, oh, he said, you won't believe the colors. Wow.

And I saw my father. Wow. Anyway, little things that if you're listening, they're anecdotal. And here's what I want to say. It sounds like a great story, like a cocktail story. And when I would watch you in a room full of people and you'd see something or talk to somebody because something was happening over there with that person. And it was fascinating, but it was anecdotal because I'm sitting over here.

Right. But I could see the expression. the person and... And you could feel. Yeah, the whole energy changed around that person, and you could see that that person was having a very, very impactful experience that they had never had before. So if you're listening to this, it's fine that it sounds anecdotal. Totally. Who cares? And it's good to be skeptical. I mean, I'm an open mind to skeptic, and I was very skeptical of you getting. I think you have to be in life. You've got to be skeptical because I think you have to learn things to try to understand things. That's how we learn.

Don't be cynical, though. Don't be cynical because your mind is already made up. So you can be skeptical with open-mindedness. Yeah, critical skeptical. Absolutely. Cynical is you walk with your mind already set up. Well, you're not going to learn that way. But skeptical is healthy. Healthy skepticism, I... And the other thing I want to say before we really go off the deep end here...

We're already there. Yeah. But is you still have to get up in the morning and lead your life here now and your job is the same, to be kind, to be curious, to be nurturing, you know, all of those things, loving, full of hope and joy, all those things are still the same jobs you have before or after one of these experiences. So it's not like, oh, if you have this kind of experience, it changes everything. It tilts things in a most wonderful way, but it doesn't mean your job isn't still the same. No, it gives you a different perspective.

It doesn't mean that you have to leave the Catholic Church. It doesn't be... Not at all. None of those things. I've read a lot of priests, by the way, in Cardinals. No, it gives you another lens to look through. Yes. It's a different perspective.

And boy, does that help when you realize there is no such thing as death? That doesn't exist. It's a changing of conscience. It's my friend's mom just passed recently. And she came back right away to me. She said, tell her I was just stepping out. It's stepping out. We go to sleep every night.

We're not aware of a conscious thought's going. not, but we're somewhere, you know? Yeah. It's so interesting. This is an interesting one, too, because consciousness is very fascinating. How can we put that into human terms? I just said, well, because, you know, I think we're all the same, but yet we're not. I think the two big illusions, illusions we have in this three-dimensional human world, death,

because there isn't a such thing. It can't call energy. Science has proved that. And the other is separativeness that we're separate from one another. When in truth, we're actually all connected. We have the same energy, that same light, that same loving energy. And the analogy I love, last night we had a super moon out. It was a big, big moon.

And I thought, you know what? If people put buckets of water out all over the place, every bucket would have the same moon inside that. Yet, it's separate. That's good. That's good analogy. I like that. I like that. It's kind of that way.

I'm full of this story because I spoke to all the players today. I hadn't, when Mary and I talked to you a week ago just to say hi. Yes, it was a love. lovely, lovely conversation. It was. As always. I said, we feel like we'd never, even when we talk,

like we've never been away for each other. It's wild, right? I know. And I'm giddy inside right now. This is so much fun. Okay. So,

I'm going to tell the story, and I'm going to start, and please jump in. Okay. It'll be a mini monologue for a second. I'm sorry. You're fine. Because people want to hear you.

But, okay, so Mary, once again, does communicate, and I've been around with her, not like you do, but she listens to energy and she's a healer. Yes, she is, and deeply kind, and gosh, I wish she was here. I know me too. Sends all her love.

I feel her. Yeah. So I won't mention all the names in this, just because. But a friend calls her and says, I want you to talk to a friend of mine who just lost their daughter. And just so you know, I spoke to them today. And they are happy, I will, happy to have us talk about it. So Mary goes, well, I'm not quite sure what you mean. And he said, I don't either, but please be aware this person may call you. And so, I don't know, week, month later,

somebody, well, I can say, David called her and said, I heard that you might be able to get in touch with James von Pragg. And Mary was cautious but said yes. He said because we lost our daughter. How did he know Mary? No, the friend who called Mary. The connection was between. Oh, that's how.

Okay. I always wonder about these things. Yeah. More later on that if you want. But he told Mary, we lost our daughter. nine months ago, and we would love it if you could get in touch with James von Prague. And she froze almost and went, oh, oh, I don't know that I can do that because if it turned out that it wasn't what I think it is, that he, you know, does do this,

but what if he doesn't? I couldn't bear adding to your pain. And he said, we're adults. We really would like that. And she said, okay. Then she calls you. and said, there are two people. She never got specific, where they lived, what their names first, their last words. There are two people, and they would love to talk to you, period. Not about whatever, just not about the experience. Because she so desperately wanted to be totally clean.

Cut to, and it was set up, that you were going to meet them. at our home. But I didn't know that. No. She didn't have something. I just thought it's going to beat your house. Yeah.

That's true. Right. And so anyway, Mary's now flying to go see her mom. She had gone to see her mom and her aunt. And she had 15 minutes to do that. She was in between planes or whatever. So she was driving to say hi to her mom and her aunt. And this voice, Mary's voice, said, pull over to the Walgreen.

And she goes, what? no, I don't need anything in her head, you know, pull over to the Walgrain. She looks at her watch like, well, she pulls into the Walgrain, empty parking lot, empty parking lot. She goes in and she looks around thinking, I guess I could get some gum, but this is stupid. And then she says, all right, I'm for herself, this is stupid, I'm leave. She turns and spins in place to walk out and literally bumps into this man who says, Mary Steenbergen, and she thinks fan.

She says, yes. And he said, I'm David Leopoulos, who is the gentleman she'd spoken during the phone. Wow. And it was wow at that point. It was a big wow in her head. And she said, are you still coming? And he said, I'm afraid, I don't know.

My wife is afraid that their daughter in this, wouldn't show up. And she said, take me to your wife. And she walks out to the only other car in the parking lot. And sees her sitting in the car, Linda, and says, can I give you a hug? She said, you're still coming, right? And Linda said, oh, I don't. She said, Mary said, let me tell you.

You are coming. Because there's no reason why I'm in this parking lot. and that the two of us bumped into each other. There's no reason other than, you know, something's up and you need to come. So they come. Mary and I are very nervous. You're there. And they come in with a friend.

They brought a friend out of trying, I'm sure, to feel comfortable flying to L.A. Movie stars, or whatever. You know, so they needed a support team. And they brought this person. And did you know that of the person? No. No. No.

No. And we all sit down and nothing is said once again. And you start talking to the lady, the friend, and Mary, they're going, uh-oh, no, no, couldn't say anything, but just listen. And we can cut this down later if you want, whatever, but this story. But you start. And in my experience, you sometimes do psychic things to kind of, I don't know what you'll describe, like warm up.

Yeah, yeah. To make them feel comfortable. Yes, and make a connection. Yeah. And you were talking to that lady. And then the husband and wife weren't really talking, the mother and the father. And weren't they separated? They might have been on different sides. Maybe.

I don't remember. It was in that. Yeah. I was probably sitting in the Ottoman. I seemed to fall off. You were in the Ottoman. You were crossing. Yeah.

I remember you're falling down. Yeah. So all of a sudden, you stopped and you turned to Lender. the mother and you say, did you have an uncle with a glass eye? And the room went, she said, yes. And the room kind of, it gets heavy. The air kind of gets heavy. And you said to her, well, this, and this is all written down. Mary is starting to write down two or three pages. The whole thing is written down notes. And you say, well, he's here. And, oh, well, there are a lot of people with him. All right, everybody, wait, what? Slow down. You said to the people standing behind her.

Slow down, slow down, slow down. And then, oh, you lost your daughter, didn't you, in an accident. You said to the mother. I have tears in my eyes, just talking about it. And the next 45 minutes, really? Mary was writing this down, was a reunion between... I'm going to cry. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. between a daughter and the parents who hadn't seen each other for nine months. And it was so specific. I remember these in detail.

The daughter said, thank you. Thank you for putting a light in the window of my room and asking people to honk as they drive by. Wow. You were busy doing this. Yeah, I don't remember any of it. Okay.

I remember you falling. I thought I remember. That was the other one. And please thank my high school student friends for putting my favorite composite tape, mixed tape, whatever you call it, when you put all the music. A mix in my coffin. Oh, wow. All of my favorite music was put in my coffin.

And it went on and on like this. Oh, and it was not my fault, the accident. because the consensus was she must have turned around. There were other kids in the car and done something, looked for something, maybe that something, you know, and hit another car or went off the road. And she said, that's not what happened. A white car swerved in front of me,

and I went off the road coming in the opposite direction. And one witness had said that, by the way, that they thought they had seen a car come around the corner. And it went on and on like this. And at one point, the mother said, where are you now? Where are you right now? You said, I'm in a garden, the most beautiful garden. And then this was the most amazing thing.

The mother said, are you happy? And the daughter said, I am when you are. Yeah, it's true. And it just went on like this. And then the next morning they came downstairs, and they were different. And they said, we took our first full breath in nine months. They went on and started a foundation called the Thea Foundation,

their daughter. And it's now doing amazing work all over Arkansas and that area of the country. It was stimulating the arts and schools, and it's a huge, big, wonderful, thing. And I spoke to them this morning because I didn't know whether or not. And he said, of course you can tell this story. I tell it all the time, he said, to people who have lost children, you know, I tell it to people just to give them an uplifting experience. My thing,

and then I'm turning it back over to you is, okay, it's a great story. You would be so, if you're listening, or if you wanted to poke holes in it, the alternative to, the alternative to adjust being what it was, somebody in the afterlife talking to their parents, you would be hard-pressed to come up with how or whatever. So who cares about that because we're not trying to prove anything.

But what a gift that changed people's lives. It changed ours, you know, and there's just no way that you can't go, ah, okay, I get it. there are, energy doesn't go away. No. I mean, the miracles that the spirit world do, I'm in awe every day, and I wake up that way. I wake up with that art of discovery, like, wow, how can they help today? What are you going to show me different today? And every time I get a message or reading from a

spirit can give me something new. And they do at points, but they're in a certain level. You know, everybody goes to a certain level of their spiritual awareness that they're on. Like in the Bible says, my father has a house with many mansions, which means that spiritual level what you go to based upon even after death is not like boom well you know good graduating and that's it yeah thoughts words and deeds you create your heaven or you create your hell depending on it what the energy you gave out what you said smiles you gave it's those little acts of kindness that meet this is really important i just did a ted talk here you go just there's head talk and it was about a life review and once we pass into the spirit world one of the first things that

happens is all of us go through a life review and we look back back at our lives, and we're not in time anymore. We're outside of time. Time is only real lived this three-dimensional world. So you're outside of time, and you look like, you see like a movie passing really quickly, and it's those major moments in your life, good, bad, or different, that made an impact on someone else. And you are your own judge, and you see that passed that lesson, didn't pass that lesson, maybe you have to repeat that, maybe more compassion, more kindness, more patience, and that's we come back here to learn. We come back care of the school. I read that you said that you also meet those people who you have harmed.

You betcha. So that the word empathy, genuine empathy. Because everyone's learning. We're all the same. We're learning on different levels of awareness. And it's really important that I've learned this one too. You know, when you meet someone and you don't get along with them, whatever, you have to meet people for the level that they're at. Maybe they don't know any better. Maybe they don't understand anything better. So you have to meet them at the level that they understand. Right. You know what I mean? And that way you can guide them or help them or assist them in some way. Don't force it, but you can be there and see them where they're at.

It's only going to get through is to meet them where they're at. Of course, you have to have boundaries of people. You know, people does say something not right. Excuse me, that's not appropriate. That's not correct. Another thing which really will help people, which I've learned Ted, is a lot of people, especially over the holidays, times, get involved with family dramas, you know, and little buttons are pushed.

I think the best thing is to step back and be objective. Like you're watching a movie, a television, you're just watching, you're observing. And you're in the observation mode. You say, oh, that person behaves like that. That's their dynamic. I'm not getting involved in that drama. I'm sitting back and watching it. Observation, the best way.

That way you don't judge. Who are we to judge? Why do we judge others? We judge others because we want to feel better then. So something's going on. The judgment is fear-based. And really, we are love. We are loving beings.

Fear is only of this earth, of this three-dimensional world. this humor. This is fear. It's a fear, F-E-A-R, false ego appearing real. You know, and that's false ego. False ego appearing real. Isn't that good one? That's correct. And I use also, my book, I wrote about love, because people say, well, what is your religion? I said, well, love might sound strange, but love. You mean love? I said, well, you know, we're all connected. Love is one. I said, huh? I said, we're one. All of us are one. What do you man. I said, O-N-E, omnipresent, nurturing energy. Nice. Nice.

We're all one. And, you know, you meet somebody, you try to, I don't know, make their day better. Every day, we should all try to make someone's lives better. The smile, the hello. I just pulled into a hotel, you want to stay in the hotel. The man that on the door for me, the guy, the partner guy, he goes, oh my God, it's Jane. How are you, sir? I said, good. I go, Hector. He goes, yes, you're James. Said, yeah, I'm seen him in 10 years. He goes, I remember you. I remember you. I remember you're a kind. And that's how we knew me just from that, you know, from years ago.

And, you know, you make an impression with people. You make a mark with people. However in our lives we do, and we have that life review, we look back and see, what do we do that person and the rippling effect. Yeah, the ripples. Their ripples, the ripple effect. They're going to affect that person and then their family and their family. So make sure you do the right thing.

Just do the right thing. That's all we ever ask. And you do know the right thing. We all know the right thing. thing. I think every single person knows the right thing. And treat another person as you want to be treated, the golden rule. It's the one thing I got for Catholicism. It's the golden rule. And I try to, I try. We're humans. We make mistakes. We're here at school learning. So we're going to make mistakes. It's okay to make mistakes. We've got to forgive ourselves, you know. Yeah, I have trouble with that one.

Forgiveness is a big one. It's a medicine we give ourselves, forgiveness. Yeah. When you talk sometimes, I think of Roomy, the quote I love, beyond all right and wrong, there is a field. I will meet you there. Isn't that great? I love that. Which is what you're talking about. Exactly.

Yeah. It's that oneness, yeah. It's great. I'm just bouncing. Sorry. He bounced together. It's fine. A little bit dance partners.

So you have to in this world where some people hang on to religions and dogma out of fear, I think. Oh, I love that. But anyway, there are many different, you know, my mother went from Episcopal to Catholic

later in life. And I think she struggled with so many of the things that didn't naturally feel kind, you know, and felt judgmental. Yeah. But she, because she was now Roman Catholic, I kind of went for it. So my question is, it has to be somewhat threatening to some groups of people what you're talking about. And not just, not you, but the fact that we're talking about

a pathless, you're not talking about the need for, not that priests can't give so much comfort in many cases. I went to a seminary for a year, you know. Yeah. Yeah. So how do you deal with, Or is that stopped or whatever? Oh, that's interesting. Great question. I mean, because I was raised very Catholic, went to a seminary, and it was interesting. I'd go back to a store and I was 14 and I was this seminary.

And each student had to sit in what they called benediction, be an altar and just whatever. I meditate, pray. And I remember I was doing that. I'm sitting there by myself, looking at this, whatever, the altar there. And I heard a voice and the voice said, God is much bigger than these four walls.

You need to find God outside these four walls. And that's when I left. And to me, I think, every religion is a bit of the truth, but that anyone religion has all the truth. And I think you get the nuggets, the beautiful nuggets from religions, that's fine.

Some people need that. Some people need that. And if it serves them well, great. But there's so many roads. There's so many, you know, I don't, that's just because I've changed. I don't know if I think diversity is the greatest thing. I think there are a little bit of everything in everyone.

I mean, you know, I'm very happy. Now there's a Muslim mayor in New York City. Yay. about time. We have diversity. Everyone, you know, it's, yeah. I don't know. I thought a lot of clients in mine have been cardinals, priests, ministers, you know, all the, and it's just, you know, it's just religion is a man-made. It's man-made. And they're able to hold both? They can't understand it. They call it the mystery of God, which is just fine. That's the language they want to use and those stories, whatever they, and that's valid for them, you know, meet them

where they're at. Yeah. And I never force him to believe. believe in what I do. I'm presenting it. See how you feel afterwards. That's what you can do. I was in the, I've talked about this before, but I was in the room when my mother was, purposefully came home to die. She was not going to be able to shake what was going on with her. And for the first week, she was very present and was able to say goodbye and hello to people who would come say goodbye. She had the death she wanted, you know. She had, These monks that were friends of hers from Colorado came down and sang evening prayers. It was just glorious.

It really was. And I was sitting there. My sister lived nearby and she was, I was okay taking the night shift towards the end when she was no longer, she was alive. Her body was pumping away, but she was not really present in the able to communicate kind of way. And I took the night shift. And I remember sitting there looking at her. her body and realizing, oh, all my little philosophical, little spiritual things that I've read about

or been taught or this or that went flying out the window. And I realized I came to, I don't know. I truly, obviously, don't know. She may be in the process of knowing, but I don't know. And what I was left with was very simple. get what you said. Do the right thing. Get up every morning and try to be a little bit better. And you do know it the right thing. Make that life count. Yeah. Honor her. Yes. Make it count. Yeah. My father was a non-believe. My father was very skeptical. I had a television show every day. I'd be on television doing my thing for a year. And he was bedridden and would watch me. Didn't believe in it. And there was a reporter from the Times that came to him once, and it was in New York. And he said to my father was in his 80s, well, what do you think about your son? He goes, I'm very proud of him. And he makes a dime doing it great. So what happened was he was at a coma at the end of his life. And the four kids that are there older. And I could hear him. And I could hear him. And I could.

sense, they sense him right above his head. And I said, dad, why won't you go? Because we in a coma. And I heard him very clearly say, I don't want you kids fighting over the house. So I sent my siblings, he just wants us fighting over the house. That was his big thing, this house. So, of course, when he makes a joke, we've got to change our phone numbers, but we promise we wouldn't. And he left. And he said right away, like in the five minutes, I've seen your mother. You're right. You were right. I see your mother. Oh, my God. I have a sister. I didn't know I had. Oh, my God. And for two days, I'm writing, like, automatic writing down. And we checked, and he had a sister that had died at birth that we never knew about it.

And it was amazing. I get that a lot, though. I get people that really didn't believe this or have that awareness at all. And they, like, wow, this is just amazing. My brother, Michael, who's since past just January, and he didn't really necessarily believe in this. Years ago, I called him up. He was in New York, and I was in California. And I said, oh, mom is here.

And I said, why are you playing with a rosary beads? She goes, why'd you go in the top room get her brown rose reads? The white ones are right next to it. He goes, stop it, stop it. And you had just had her prayer book and you put a folded page 10. It goes, get, typical New Yorker, get out of here. And that made him a believer, you know. And it was just, there you go.

So how do they do it? They come in love. I mean, that energy of love never dies. And it gets stronger. And the first thing they want their loved ones to know, there's no death. There's no death. It's very natural. No one needs to fear it.

no one needs to fear it. You know, it's just the way it is. Would you say you're more of a Buddhist-type belief? I don't. I mean, you know, if everything is all, if everything is a little bit of everything. Time-wise, when you're in the afterlife, when you're not in your body, my, I do tend to think, and this is way above my pay grade, that all time is instantaneous, probably.

Yeah. So. So what about this one? If you pass over to this side. And I'm not a question. quantum physicist, but something within me says when we pass over, there is no time, so past, present, and future, it can all be one. And by living right now as a soul, I've talked to us before, about 30% of the soul can

be in the physical body, but 70%, that's whatever, quote, you know, that'll be whatever quotation, but 70% or whatever will be up here, that means that that part of you is maybe having experiences in, you know, the centuries, of the planets, of the stars, there are millions and millions of star systems and galaxies and with the immensity of it all. Yeah. And how the universe, you know, that force, that source, changes seasons. The planets move. We have life.

I mean, it's just incredible. I do not believe in the miracle. You know. Just for you being born. Yeah. They said, like, one of 11 souls get to be here. Like, they're 11, that one, I don't know the numbers, but 11 want to come down here, but one lucky one gets the opportunity to come down to the school.

Because supposedly this is a school that you grow from the most. And it's whole about experiences that help expand. And suffering and problems and issues and bumping into things. They're all opportunities. It's how you look at them. Opportunities, even deaths. That's a big one. That's a big one.

That's true. So let me ask you a question. Yeah, please. Being an actor. So how do you act? So there you go. So how do you become a character? What within you is able, what do you use to express that?

I probably, by the way, became an actor because I mess up so much. I love being able to take two, take three, take four, until you get it right. I kind of like that, you know. But there's something within you that can do that, right? I do believe that creativity is very close to creation in all of that. I do believe it's an energetic thing that's kind of quite magical when it works. Just like life, 50% of the time, at least 50, probably more, I'm not really flying when I act. You know, I'm trying to indicate that I flew once and look how good I am at flying or whatever, as opposed to truly being in the moment.

But there's something within you, right, an instinct and intuition. Yeah, I mean, you believe in your imaginary circumstances and then you work off the other person and you don't do. anything unless that other person makes you do it. So you really are in a moment. You know, that to me is when you, if you're truly paying attention to somebody else and not you, and you give up your ego thought, whatever. You just surrender.

And surrender. Yeah. Then it's like flying. It is the same in conversation. When you let go of, oh, I know what I want to say next, as opposed to just truly being over there and the other person trying to recreate what they're saying. that's kind of magical.

That's what acting is for me. So, so, same with mediumship. So what mediumship, what I do is that force, if you want to call it, I surrender. So a really important part for, I have a school online, the JVP School of Mystical Arts, and students from all of the world and do mediumship and psychic work, and it's really incredible. One of the number one things, the problems that some of the students have, and most people, when they're developing their intuition or mediumship, is there in their heads? and I've got to get up from the head to the heart.

So it's feeling, it's sensing. It's not thinking, because if you're thinking, you're not doing it. It has to come from the heart. You're feeling, you're sensing. And that's really what is that sensing energy. Same thing with acting, with any creative work. You're sensing, you're feeling things, right? So it's all part of that.

And that's just, and when I go with the flow and just in the moment, I can be open to any spirit that comes through that I'm able to get in my wavelength. Especially, though, they will use the aspects of my soul. that are there. So sense of humor, I have a good sense of humor, like personally, laughs, fun stuff, you know, different aspects they can use. So they're the ones that get through the most great stuff because they're like me. They're very similar to me. So they can use those little lights, if you will. I'm assuming not everybody who passes over has a desire to communicate back into this world, or is that true? Well, it's all, everyone's different, right? So everyone is different. A couple of

stories, you don't mind because I'm old and I have a lot of stories now. That's why you're here. So I was once doing, it's called a demonstration in an audience, I don't know, 5,600 people there. And I'm on the stage. I'm working with a girl in the audience and her aunt was coming through. And the aunt's giving information, the aunts giving information, she understanding it. And out of the corner of my eye, I see a spirit of a man coming close to me, and his arms

are folded. And now I knew this must be her father, the girl in the audience, her father. And I said to him telepathically, well, I'm still communicating. I said, is this a jrador? He goes, yes. He goes, I didn't believe in this in life. So why would I believe in it now? I said, do you want to try it?

And he goes, no, I don't believe in it. I said, okay, that's fine. So continued with the girl and the aunt and validation happened, the evidence, the details, the understood everything. And this is very interesting. When the person says, yes, they understand it, their orc field lights up. It's like a light show. And that everyone's very happy.

Well, the father was getting closer and closer. and closer, and he finally, he looked at me, said, can I try? Telepathically, said, yes. And he did. And it was incredible. And there was a story about forgiveness, forgive me for not loving you like I should have. And she said, oh my God, he never told me that in life. He said, he needs to say that to you. So, and that was an amazing experience for her, everybody in the audience, and that man that was coming in and the girl, the rest of her life. This is something interesting, Ted. When people pass over, we go to that level, you know, we all go to a level of, like it's called the astral world, a certain level.

We have the life review and get adapted to a new environment. Then they call it a second death row. Once you're used to that area, you'll go to that band, that spectrum, that realm that you have to go to where you belong, where you're going to learn or do what you need to do. And it's so interesting because when we first pass over and have a life review, sometimes we kind of get stuck there in that there is no time. So, like, imagine that poor father in his head, he kept them thinking, oh, my God. gosh, it's just my daughter, I loved her. Why didn't I do that? And that could be for a long, long time. So as a medium, my job is really working for the spirit world, not for the humans. I'm really working for them. I remember hearing you say, or, I don't know if I heard you say,

or red that you said, but I think I was in a room where the people on the other side said, we heard about you, we heard about you, and that this was a way, you were a way to be able to communicate, for them to be able to communicate. Yeah. To us. Yes. It comes in a lot of different ways like that. It comes in a lot of different ways.

Like you said, with Mary and the Walgreens, weird things happen and walking down the street with my dog or people, I don't know. They just come up to me. They don't know who I am and they say something about their dead mother that just passed or their friends. It happens in all words. And I just won't give it up. I just have to be there and they kind of understand it.

But it's interesting, again, the spirit world, how they manipulate, create, miracles, happen, the ribbons of life are shared. And I think it's just an amazing experience. How could you not be in awe all the time? And that's it. And you have to live in joy. You know, joy is part of the journey. J-O-U-R-N-E-Y. Journey. Joy. Nice. Literal part in there. But I love it because it's true. Try to find joy. And because you never know when your last day is. We only have this moment now. So Eckart Tolly talks about the power of now, living fully in this moment and being total, and that's what it is, so about awareness. My mom used to say, when people say, what do you want for your kids?

She'd always say, I want them to be fully human, which is really a lovely thing, and I didn't quite get it. But, yeah, this is your opportunity, your life. This is a gift. Not everybody gets this, you know, opportunity to live a life. And to help influence people. I mean, all the work I've done, and you've done work to help people, you know, Lucille Ball came through to me once. Didn't know Lucille Ball.

And I was in my house with Rose and cutting roses, she said to me, and I mean, I didn't know her, but loved her. James had voice, James. I said, yes, I said, is this Lucy? She was, I never wanted to be a comedian. She said, I'm a healer, but I wanted to heal through comedy.

And that's what she did. And that was pretty amazing. I'll tell you who's walking around and does that. Brings tears to my eyes, just talking about her. Carol Burnett is definitely one of those people. Sure, you have so much happiness and joy and healing to people through their laughter.

Okay, so another weird thing. I was watching her show. I was watching a YouTube last night, and it was all about Carl Burnett. And it was like, and Harvey Corman and Tim Conman, I'm watching. I'm like, what a gift of a healing. So it's interesting. You brought her up. Coincidence is God's a way of remaining anonymous.

I love that. They're all in there. Listen to the whispers. Listen to the whispers. The nudges. Yeah, the nudges. Very, very important. She was just here.

Yeah, Carol. Oh, she was just dead. Yeah, a couple, two or three days ago. Oh, wow. Wow. Her daughter's come through to me through another friend. Carrie or? Carrie, when she first paid, like, I don't know two years after she passed, but yeah, she came through me.

And we're a mutual friend, who you know. And, yeah, I don't share the message. But yeah, she's lovely. She lives up north. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Great.

She's remarkable. Oh, aren't we lucky? We're lucky. We're very fortunate. We're very fortunate. Yeah. To be alive. So can you do that in, you know, the meeting people where they are?

I try every day. Now, some people are way far away. I've got to take some breaths every once in a while. I've got to take them coming at L.A. You know, I'm in Sidiya. Come in L.A. Whoa, it's a whole different energy. You're okay, calm down.

Yeah, especially in the car. It's just like, wow, you just got to get to that neutral place. I breath, I do a lot of breathing. I ground myself a lot. Yeah. I've been part of the earth and grounding. It's hard. Yeah.

My sister, who's, you know, does a lot of work in the church and is very grounded, very, you know, she'd love to be in this room talking about all of this. And my sister works in the church, too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is, she's in a great.

church man. They do everything to support immigrants and this and that and this and that and all of that. But she said to me a while ago, I won't mention any names, but she's working very hard to love a certain political figure who just brings up all the worst and anger and all of that. But she said that, if I'm being real, that is my job to be able to pray for and love the worst. The worst. of the worst. It's how funny. You say that's not funny at all. That's what it is.

On the driving up here, I thought of that person. Ah! I was watching it. And the first time in eight years, whatever, I feel sorry for that person. I feel empathy.

It's sad to be there because I know it's going to await them when they pass over. It's not going to be happy. If you have to empathize truly, that's a tough one. It's a tough one. It's an influence and the rippling effects. But then again,

can we say, did we pick that before we came back to this inclination? Did we pick to have that scenario? Every soul picks the time to born for various reasons of learning and expanding and growing. So we did pick it and we picked that. For whatever reason, we're going to learn something from this. Experiment. Oh, the other day, it was so funny. I'm sitting at my desk and I heard the experiment of life.

And it is one experiments, experiments of life. And I kind of like that. Yeah, we have to find empathy the best we can. We don't have to agree with people. We could have to find anything. No, no, but you can, yeah. And again. And not come from fear, but love.

That's it. Even though you may go, no, I can't let you do that. So life is a series of choices. That's what it is. So as we were little kids, we all of those choices, what kindergarten, with grade school, but clothes, you know, our parents taught us for teachers. We had choices.

So we either chose this way or that way. So all choices are based on two things, either love or fear. Yeah. That's it. And fear just contracts, love expands. And that's the way it is. And we're loving beings.

Fear is only this human world. It's only the three-dimensional world. Mary had an experience. We were shooting someplace. We were in Europe and she was driving and she was quiet for a moment. There were other people in the car. And then later she told me kind of where she went. But she was very clearly, her father was in the car in the sense or with her, with her.

and the sense was that he had said and the feeling it engendered in her was, I'm still here, but I've graduated as if he was moving from one level to another. And I mean, the whole, you know, when people here at first, you know, afterlife and people communicating and all that, it feels like that's maybe almost like kindergarten.

for the afterlife, that there is way, way, this is bigger than... So much bigger. To even... They can't even describe it, just the colors alone. And many people who had near-death experiences. Look at all those near-the-the-experiences. I myself had one. They can't even describe the colors, the gardens.

They can't describe what they see of it because we don't have that down here in this earth. And they say that one unifying force is love is in everything. The flowers that blooms in a beautiful harmonic tone. in complete harmony with the rest of the flowers. And the people that you meet, you see them for the character that they are. On this earth, we can hide our character and hide things. Not over there.

You see exactly what the characters, with the colors that they've created, which I love. I can't remember what discipline, but one discipline that, you know, before my mom died, I decided to have no more disciplines, was the one constant in the universe

is light and harmonics. It's true. Does that feel right? completely 100% because we're light. We're really, we are light. And we have to find harmony. And that's why we're down here, where we're taking on the human form of reality. This is the realm of form.

You know, there are many, many realms. This realm is one of four. Form and it's a hard one. It's a dense one because this is an unnatural world. And that's why we feel like impatient and like, oh, wow. I mean, every day I get that sense of, I don't belong here. I don't belong. How much longer is it?

Because I don't belong here. But I've got to do my time. And every moment counts. to make it better for somebody else. What do you say to people who aren't going to maybe bump into you, but want that experience, want to believe that, want to need some sort of relief that comes sometimes when people talk to you and have that experience personally?

What advice do you have for them? Wow, so much. Read about it. I've written some great books, healing grief, good book. Check me out. that thing, but also you want to tune into your own, you know, when people pass over, families, mothers, fathers, children, in a way, I think sometimes it's an agreement before the incarnation that this is going to force you to go within your being and maybe find some spiritual path.

So it's forcing them. And it really are, we are souls having a human experience, not the other way around. So live your life is for a soul. So really, they're just a thought away. They hear all of our thoughts. They know everything we're doing. It's so much. warm. They've described it once to me like in this physical world, we see one another, we're looking at each other, but in that space, they're multisensory. They see all around in 360 degrees. They can see no things. And they hear your thoughts. They hear your thoughts. They see what you're going through. So what one can do? And I always say sit in the quiet. So I tell my students, say this, I tell a lot of people who the loved one has just passed over

recently, go into a quiet space. I personally go into a closet and close the door, so no outside noises, right? And I will just, it's kind of passive meditation. I just close my eyes and I use my breath and I inhale through my nose, exhale at the mouth, and just bring myself to a nice soft space. And I just sit there quietly and then I ask in my mind, I send out a thought. I say, Dear Spirit Friend, I can ask for whoever it is I want to hear from. And you have to just silence your mind, right? So I see, Dear Spirit Friend, come next to me, come behind me. Let me fill your hands upon my shoulders. Dear Spirit Friend, and you surrender again. So you're surrendering and you're allowing their space to be shared with that loved one and step behind me.

And don't think of it. That's why you sit in a sense to get into that heart space. And then you feel, and you send out love to them. I sit here in love and I ask you to come in love. And when you sit in that space and you just surrender, just allow, just like what Mary did. You just allowed, you know, just invite those people, just allowing. You will have those. And it might have it right away, but the more you do it, every other day, if you will, you'll get to.

to a point where you'll feel them right next to you. You'll feel their energy. You'll feel the personality when you allow yourself. When you get back to your head and you think about it, it's going to go away because it's not thinking. It's coming from the heart, the heart of the matter. Now, so it's your soul forward, feeling with the soul, the soul energy. And we're, you know, it's soul to soul communication. How a soul, I believe that the mind is part of the soul, soul is part of the mind. And telepathy, I feel it's the soul who's sending thoughts, memories, emotions, from their mind to your mind. So when you're sitting in that soft space

and you're open, you're allowing them to come in and influence that space. So that's, and they hear your thoughts. And also look at for signs because a lot of them come through right away. They want you to know they're alive.

They're not dead. So they'll often come through with smells, scents. You might smell certain perfume or cologne or aftershave or you'll see birds or insects or hummingbirds or butterflies. And the weirdest is out of the oil. I would say. And you'll get maybe a license plate. Maybe they're up. They see a dime or a quarter on the

floor and it's over and over again. It happens often. Notice how often those things happen. Again, no coincidence, you know. So that's what you want to pay attention and feel them. You haven't lost them. They're closer now than they have before before. And it seems to me to say, but it's true. That tradition is so much stronger in tribes, you know, where ancestors, not just tribes and Native Americans, but we just spent time in Japan, and there's very much that sense of honoring your ancestors, but not just honoring, paying attention, you know. And when you sit in the quiet, like when you're in Japan, it was probably so beautiful and serene and peaceful and forcing you to go quiet, to go within yourself.

And when you get to that quiet space, and there's a great book called The Quiet Mind by White Eagle, everybody should just run for that book. It was written in the 1930s by Grace Cook, was a medium from England. And White Eagle was her guide in its amazing book. Profound truth. And it's just, you know, when you sit in that space

and the quiet, the quiet is very loud. So when you're in the guide, wow, your soul starts speaking to you. You have realizations, perspectives of things, interesting information comes through. It's like, wow.

It's all in there. It's all in your soul. I also believe that as a soul we've traveled through many lifetimes, whether in this physical earth or other places and spaces, what you can do is ask. and feel things.

I've always been curious. I've always had that sense of curiosity that I call it the art of discovery. So ask them, and you can ask your loved ones, come in to me now and open up your mind and let them drop a thought,

let them drop a feeling. Nudge from that. Curiosity is such a big thing. It used to, you know, as you age, you know, as gravity hits. None of us would be spiritual if it weren't for gravity. You know, we'd be party on.

But first, attitude became the word. And also, now curiosity, stay curious is such a huge thing. So you learn. Yeah. What are you going to learn from someone? I was like, oh, how are you? And I just naturally that way, because everybody's your teacher.

Everybody meet every single day. And, you know, it's interesting because a lot about the sleepwalkers out there. A lot of sleepwalkers. A lot of people unconscious out there. We've got to wake up. That'd be conscious. I'm going to see how our thoughts affect another person, our actions. Smile, love.

It's about love. It's really what it's about. And it's how, again, they come through from the spirit side of life. And by the way, this is an interesting one. Just because they're in the spirit world doesn't mean that they know better. So they go to that certain level that day. Oh, that's great. That's an interesting run, right?

They don't know this is better. So don't think they know it all. They know at the level that they're at, right? And they learn a lot by us down here, by how we handle situation by how we do certain things. Oh, that's how I could have done that. Okay. Oh, I can choose differently next. Okay. So they watch us and they will learn from us down here as well. So that's an interesting insight. Right. I had, I had one of those, boy, I'm, yeah. Wow. We will now become the Marian Ted, the woo-woo twins. Good. You know. Please, the good thing is I don't

check into social media and I don't read reviews. So have that, whatever you feel like. But I was speaking to somebody in your field, as it were, someone who is open like that, like you are. And I can't totally recreate how we got to this realization for me, which was my working, it's exactly what you said, but it was a realization that was so powerful for me, which is usually I, you know, I'm kind of holding on to my parents and to figure out myself.

So, you know, to grow through stuff and to improve myself and everything. And all of a sudden it was like, Ted, you need to grow so that they can move on because they are there lovingly waiting for me to get off my ass so that they can move on. It's not just working for yourself.

You're working for what, like you said, for that chain. You know, so, and I felt so good that what I was doing was good for the energy and spirit of my parents, that it was a release for them, for me to grow and be more loving

and releasing things and all of that. And you're perfect just so you are. And they would like to know that. You're probably just never think, you know, humans get so caught up in critical mind. Oh, I'm not this. I always go for the negative set of the positive. And they're proud. You know, this is very interesting.

You brought this up because so many people think, if I talk to my spirit family, will I hold them back? And the answer is, no, we won't hold them back. They receive your thoughts, but they want the best for you. And many times they want you to love yourself more. That's what they say. Love yourself more. I love you more than I was ever able to down here.

And they see that if we could be aware of that and love ourselves, we've got to love ourselves more than anyone else could because no one else knows us better than we know ourselves. So I'd like to end with Thea. Theo, who was David and Linda's daughter who passed away. And that was a long time ago now, right? It was. But it's why you and I are able to sit together.

It's the impact that she has had on so many people's lives. lives through the foundation, through this kind of work. Yeah, are you happy? She asked her mom. No, her mom asked her, are you happy? And the responses when you are. Yes, I am when you are. It's true.

It's true. Grief is a teacher, and we don't become professional grievers because we have to grow. We've chosen to go through this. Not an easy thing. We all have to go through grief, if you will, but it can't own us. It shouldn't own us. You know, it's a gift. You know, everyone that passes over always leaves gifts behind.

But we have to have the trust to open up that box and find out what's inside. And they've always done that. And I always say, live your life as they would be so pleased. Live your life. And there's no end. They realize that you're going to see them again. I used to work when I was 18. I was a stage fan from a Broadway.

Believe it or not, I don't think you know this. And I was always backstage pulling the rope from the original Greece and some other shows. And I'm like, why am I? here. This doesn't make sense. My father did it, my grandfather. And I was on to be a writer. And I was like, I could do that, but they're doing that there. It's like, why am I here? Recently it dawned to me, wow, it's like the spirit world. We're out on the earth, we're on stage performing, and then when it shows over, we go backstage, and we help pull curtains, we help them perform. So the spirit people, same way. Backstage, they're helping us,

they're helping things occur, making things happen. I just feel that. I just feel that. I just I acknowledge that, and I have gratitude for it. Like, you know, when I came in, I handed you a piece of paper, which is Google it with your name. And I haven't seen that. It came this morning with your name. Those coincidences. I think the spirit people have a great sense of humor.

And they'll get us. They'll get us. One more story, if I could. Please. Okay. So my brother passed away in January, and we were very close. He was in New York. And he knew the work I did, of course, and it was joking around.

So I did a retreat in, Maui in July, a soul retreat. And it was body, mind, soul with another practitioner, a friend of mine. And it went really well. And we had about 30 people with body, mind spirit, great, great things. It was so incredible. I've done a lot of retreats. It was so incredible that my friend Sue and another Melissa, it was so incredible,

I said, we should get a tattoo. I don't get tattoos. Yeah. So I've designed this tattoo. It's a round circle together, three circles, right? So I think, well, that's weird, okay? So all three of us got the same thing, right? So my brother, when we grew up, we lived, we shared the same bedroom,

and every night he would play Led Zeppelin, Stairward of Heaven, like, Michael, can you please tell enough, anyway? So when I came back from Hawaii, I was just one night watching television, and I had this inspiration to watch a Kennedy Center honors with Led Zeppelin. Like, okay. So I watched it, and there was heart, singing, stairway to heaven, and I'm enjoying it. And then I look at the symbol on the drum.

It's this tattoo. Oh, that's great. That's the light. That was my brother coming through. What are the odds of that? That's strange. Your brother made you get a tattoo. And he also, when I was doing readings in Maui, the lights would flicker for all the people. The lights were flickering when I did the messages back. And I was like, wow, that's strange. And they didn't flicker the next day. So I heard him say, ha, ha, ha, after I acknowledge, Michael, it's you. with the lead zeppelin. He goes, I'm a lighting person too. You know, I was a stage technician. I said, you send him a gun, you know. So they make these things happen in ways. You know, they put people together. Yeah, and the more open we are, the more the miracles we are witnessing. They can happen.

Sure is a lot more fun. Yeah. Yeah. You live from love. I adore you. I adore you. I adore you, Ted. I adore you. So much for coming here. You're welcome. Thank you for having me. Yeah. Thank you for playing me. You portraying. And once again, I want to thank the Leopoulos family for saying, yes, you can tell the story. Yeah, they give them my love, please.

Because they have influenced a lot of people. Yeah, I will. Thank you. And Mary, once again. I love you, Mary. Bye-bye. Bye. Thank you, James von Praagh,

for spending this time with me. It's meant a lot. Every time I get together with you, it has the same impact on me. I end up walking around with a big smile on my face. Please check out his book, talking to heaven, among his many others. James also has a podcast that's called Both Sides Now and Beyond. That's all for our show this week.

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