Where Should We Begin? with Esther Perel - Am I Being Gaslit?

Episode Date: August 10, 2026

In this classic Esther Calling, Esther talks to a woman looking for clarity on whether she's being overly sensitive to her partner's critiques or if he is, in fact, gaslighting her. She has struggled with boundary setting before and she wonders if she is repeating the pattern here. Esther Callings are a one time, 45-60 minute interventional phone call with Esther. They are edited for time, clarity, and anonymity. If you have a question you would like to talk through with Esther, send a voice memo to [e-mail]. Producer’s Note: When our anonymous guests do a session with Esther for the podcast, it is an act of generosity for everyone who listens. These sessions are meant not only to support the people in the room with Esther, but all of us who learn from their stories. Our stories have many chapters, and what you hear is just one moment in someone’s journey. So even though the sessions are anonymous, please remember that real people are behind them and they may be reading your comments. Also, please join me on Entre Nous, my new home on Substack for anyone who wants to live, love, and work with more connection and imagination. I invite you to sign up and become a free or paid member at estherperel.substack.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What you are about to hear is a classic Esther calling, a one-time intervention phone call recorded remotely from two points somewhere in the world. Hello, hello. Hello. So you wrote the question or you recorded the question, but if you could ask it to me again as we speak today. I'm wondering if I'm being gaslit by my. my partner or if it's a case that I'm just being overly sensitive.

I feel like there's that I get certain treatment when we're alone that feels very hidden. But, you know, in speaking to him, he says I'm overly sensitive, that like I'm overly boundaryed and that I actually, it's more that I'm treating him badly. And he gets like angry at me from me being kind of bad. And he admits that sometimes his behavior isn't great and he's working on it and he's worked a lot on it. I just have no idea if I'm basically a bad person and if I'm treating him like crap and not being sensitive to him because that's what it sounds like.

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So for example, over New Year's, we went away together. We were in the car and I wasn't feeling well. And he just kept on shouting at me and kind of giving out to me and telling me that I wasn't being nice to him. And he was shouting at me. And originally I thought he was kind of joking. And I was like, yeah, no, I am. but I was quite premenstrual at the time and I was menstruating and I felt awful.

So I was just kind of a bit of a commodging and I was like, yeah, I know I feel bad. Just let me feel bad. I know where I am. Like this is grand and he just kept on shouting like, you're not being nice to me. You're not being nice to me. Oh! And like we were literally going to our friend's doorstep and like he just left me there and was just acted like everything was perfectly,

normal and it's it seems to often be as well with um social settings that will will be going out and he'll he'll do something to pull the rug out from underneath me and be like what's your problem uh one another example is i was at therapy and and i came back and i wasn't feeling particularly great you know we had been talking about boundaries because i do have concerns that on my boundaries aren't very good and it's something that I work on. What do you mean by that? What do you mean by that? That's a big statement, you know? Yeah. And one in which only you know what you mean by it. Yeah. So I know that I don't necessarily know how to put up boundaries. I was in a I was in a job before. basically I worked myself to a state of very poor health and a lot of that had to do with

working with someone who wouldn't let me say no so no matter how much I was like I'm not available they just kept on pushing me and also that particular industry in that particular job there was a real need for me there was nobody else to do the job I had to travel and move and I was exhausted, but because there was such a need for me, I let myself, I suppose, but I felt like I didn't have a choice. I let myself just get torn into that and away from my life and away from the people that I care about and eventually I got to a point where I completely burnt out. And you're telling me this also because in some way something parallel is happening,

between you and your boyfriend? Yeah, exactly. Right? You are on the verge of burnout. If I ask you, you know, because you say, am I being gaslit or am I overly sensitive, which of course is what people who are gaslit often end up feeling. Yeah. Is that they are being overly sensitive, that they are not clear, that they're doubting

themselves, that they're confused, that they no longer trust their own sanity. Yeah. You know, I, you went to look for the definition of what being gaslit means. I definitely looked it up at some point, but I don't quite remember it at this moment. So let me, you know, without even defining the term, if you're telling me, I'm in a relationship where I don't trust that what I think has validity. I find myself often saying I feel something and then I'm being blamed for the very thing that I just uttered.

The blame is constantly shifting. I am accused of being the gas lighter and then I end up completely confused and it makes me question the situation and it's like, you know, what we call in my field projective identification. You know, you are telling me that I'm doing to you what you're exactly doing to me.

Yeah. I distrust myself. I begin to question my mental health because you keep telling me that my mental health is not steady. Yeah. Or something happens and you tell me that's not what happened. Yeah. Or that it is your fault if it happened.

Yeah. Or that I'm doing these things and I'm saying these mean things because I actually am trying to help you. Yeah. Or that it's not such a big deal. So what if you're meant to be? That shouldn't explain why you're treating me the way you are, or that you're overthinking it, or that when I mean I was just joking, or that you're too emotional. These are kind of seven common gaslighting phrases.

Yeah. You know, if any of these are continuously occurring to you, or if you simply, even without that, say, you know, I am constantly questioning myself, I'm constantly doubting myself, I'm constantly, constantly in a state of confusing, et cetera, et cetera. The answer to your question doesn't really matter. What you know is that this is not a good situation. But the thing is, like, that's the thing is like... Now you're going to give me the other side. But we also have nice times.

But when I'm about to pull away, he apologizes profusely and he promises that he will change, that he's working on it and that this will never be happening again until two hours later. Yeah. And now you're going to see so back and forth in the ambivalence. You know, here are all these things. But maybe what if what he says has validity and is true?

Yeah. And maybe I am indeed so insecure. And maybe I do indeed to have a problem with boundaries, which of course I'm having with him too. And so in the end, maybe he knows me better than I know myself. Yeah. And when I say I'm hungry, he says, no, you're not really hungry. You shouldn't be hungry right now.

And I'm beginning to wonder, well, maybe then I'm not hungry. Yeah, that's literally like what happens. I'll be like, oh, let's get some food. And he'll be like, no, no. I'm like, well, I need something. And I'll end up getting like a protein bar or something to tide me over until we're eating. And then he'll be like, oh, yeah, by the way. while you went into the shop to get a protein bar,

I got a chicken sandwich. And I'm just like, what? But it's, yeah, it comes from everywhere. It feels very controlling. It's either reality manipulation, scapegoating, coercion, or straight up lying. Those are probably four of the main,

gaslighting tactics. Shifting blames would be another when you shift the blame is another common tactic. And the interesting thing as I listen to you is you have the answer to your question. Every time you give me another example to reinforce that you actually know what's happening. but the thing is that he has shown me in so many ways that he does love me and he like we have the

honestly the best time he's my best friend in the world like I I don't know how to lose him and like that's the thing is like I see him as a really good person I see him as like

a really kind and warm and friendly. And if you see him with his friends, he is incredible. Like, incredible. Like, it's so confusing exactly again. But then he turns around and does that to me. But he honestly, that's the thing. I'm just like, I wish that I could wash it off. No, a question I would ask him is, who did this to you?

and nobody stopped them who did you see do this in your family and nobody stopped them I feel like that would be really hard for him and I would be worried about not challenging I think it would

for him something like that would be but do you know I'd imagine I have an idea that's my question My question is, you know, he may be a wonderful friend, but that does not dictate how he's going to be with his girlfriend. Those two things don't necessarily always go in sync. I would ask him, where did he learn this, and who did he see do this, and who never stopped it? And I would then ask you this parallel question.

This, of course, is not a question you're going to ask him, but I'm asking that to you, because you probably know, How long are you together? Two years. Okay. And then I'm going to ask you, who did you see in such a dynamic? Where did you learn not to be able to say no? Because this is not about am I being gaslit or am I being overly sensitive. Without defining, you know, without focusing just on these two terms, you've described the reality.

And then you say, but he loves me and that made very much. be the case as well. But he also needs to control you. But he's also intensely insecure and therefore he needs you to be one down. Yeah. But he also has a hard time hearing you say, I'm hungry without instantly denying it or defying you or qualifying it or qualifying it or deciding if you have a right to be hungry at this moment or not because he knows better than you what your stomach needs. So regardless of how much he loves you, he still would need to learn to differentiate

and to be able to let you have an experience and respond caringly and compassionately to it without having to decide if your experience is valid or not before he decides how he wants to respond because he's the master and the judge. Oh my God, yeah. That is qualifying my... experience, that's it. It's like every single experience I have, all of my friendships, all of my

work. It's like it's being qualified. That's exactly it. And being like, you're doing this right and you're doing that wrong. It's like being stuck in a box. And the thing is that I know that I am brilliant and I have beautiful friendships and I have, I was excellent at that job. and I am excellent at most things that you put in front of me. And I feel that really deeply, I know what I'm doing. And I care about myself. And I've had to do a lot of work on myself. And I'm continuing to learn and all of, you know,

unconscious of where I go up and where I go down. And if you had a friend, since you have very good friends, If one of your friends was in a situation that is similar to yours, what would you say? Just step away. It's not, it just doesn't, it's not that easy. It just doesn't, we're completely entwined in each other's lives as well. And then what would you say to your friend? So your friend says it's not that easy.

We've got our lives completely intertwined with each other. I've invested two years of my life here. I know he loves me, but I'm being obliterated. I'm losing my mind. I'm continuously put in a situation where I have to doubt myself. Yeah, I'd be like, I'll take care of you. I don't know. We have to take a brief break.

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And as you know, there's no simple answer because people are not simple. We're messy and complicated and contradictory and layered. So on my new show, I'm sitting down with the ultimate disruptors, the athletes, the artists, the activists, and the architects of our culture who looked at the way things were and asked, why do we do it like this and can we do it differently? My hope is to give us a little more space to that question and to the person on the other side of the mic, not to tell us their answer or read from their script,

but to take us on their journey. Check out my new show Why Are You Like This on YouTube or listen in your favorite podcast app. New episodes drop every Thursday. Have you spoken with your girlfriends or your friends, period? Yeah, a little bit. I don't like to say. speak badly about him because they all know him.

So I want, you know, to honor the relationship in a way. I've spoken to my sister a bit. And has anybody said keep going? Mm-hmm. Yeah. And then I had one friend who was like, had flagged it early. And when she flagged it, that was also the time, literally the same. same day when I had the breakdown for work or the day that I got literally a cert for my doctor

being like, you can't go to work and you can't do that job anymore. And I was not sleeping through the night and I was, I was like literally talking to him about it and he was like, well, I'm thinking about maybe we should break up. So he's, he nearly all. always when I'm at a level of like peak stress, he'll put something else on top. And then I never went back to work after that. So if you are struggling with something, he will trump you. If you bring up a feeling, he'll bring up another one that he thinks in that moment is more important than the one you just brought up.

Yeah, every single time. So that boundary, when I was talking about that boundaries thing, he. flipped when I was back from the therapist and I was just like literally standing in the kitchen being like, I just need to eat some dinner. So I was like, right, I'm just going to make myself some food. I'm going to take care of myself. I'm going to nourish my body. And I was like, okay, I just need, you know, I'm a bit weird right now. I just need a little bit of space because I blah, blah. And then he started at me. And I was like, no, I can. I can. can't handle this right now. I've explained the fact that I'm feeling very vulnerable. I'm just like

letting you know that. And he was in a great mood when I came in. And then suddenly he turned. And then he started shouting at me and shouting at me. And I was like, stop shouting at me. And then he freaked out about me having me not understanding what a boundary was, me turning my boundaries against him. And then he made me, we had this long discussion about what qualified. shouting or not? And then we literally got into the depths of like, right, what shouting, what the semiotics of the word shouting is to both of us. And then he made me force, he made me say that he hadn't been shouting at me in regards in terms of the way that he understands the word shouting. So you cover all four, right? You cover the coercive strategies. You cover the shifting of the

blame, you cover the questioning of your reality, you cover the manipulation, the disqualifying. So you've answered your question. What has made it so difficult for you to know that you have to go or to act on it? Where does your challenge come from in terms of saying no, in terms of saying this is I know I need to do? And I'll deal with the consequences. In fact, I'll be liberated. I'll suddenly realize how much I've been hijacked

and what kind of a hostage situation this has been and I will be able to once again liberate myself with my friends and then my friends are going to start telling me how they had noticed it, that and the other and I'm going to say, how come you never told me and they'll tell me we kept trying to tell you but you couldn't hear it because you were completely

enveloped in this saga. Yeah, it's bizarre. I know that you're right. I know that. You're brilliant. You know. You've answered your questions. You have your answer. This is not a question of discernment. This is a question of you've tried it before. You may try it again. He's going to beg you. He's going to plead you. He's going to be his best self for half an hour. And he may be a perfectly good kind person. But he's got some things to deal with if he's going to be in a relationship. And so do you. Yeah. Well, yeah, I think that's the thing is like, I'm like, if I've tried so hard, you know, and I'm 35, I've been in enough relationships. And like, he genuinely has worked a lot of himself. And I can see how he's come along in a, like, in a big way.

Do you know what? I don't know what you mean because every example you've given shows me somebody who has very little ability to see what he does. And of course, for any gaslighter, there must be a person that is letting themselves be gaslit. These two go together. But there hasn't been a situation where you describe him saying, I realize, I notice, I take responsibility. I'm sorry, I was projecting, I was dumping. He has... None of it.

Well, he has done that. When, when you leave? No, I mean, that's... I think that's the thing about... We do talk after these things happen. Like, I've been listening to you forever. I never knew that he knew about you, and he sent me something.

Like, one of your... YouTube videos about like when couples get to an impasse. And he was like, let's look at this and let's talk about this based on the tools that are there. And like I really appreciate that. I can see him trying. But the thing, we're actually at a point right now where we're not really speaking. And I asked for the keys back for my flat after the everything. that happened that I've been kind of talking about recently. It was too much. I mean, that piece of your excusing him and analyzing and justifying and excusing his behavior is part

of the gas-lit cycle. He's doing this, but he doesn't really mean to do this. He feels bad about it afterwards. And so now I need to make him feel. better about him making me feel bad. Yeah, yes. Yes. This is twisted.

Completely twisted because I was on the phone to him yesterday. I wanted to let him know that I was going to be speaking to you because I thought that that was respectful. I also was like, look, in the long run, I feel like we've been kind of running on kind of what I want. I just want to know what you want. And then, of course, it came back. around to how much all of his friends told him that like he's great. And then I, of course, was like,

well, you're a great person. And I want you to know that you're a good person. And I do think that. But it still comes around to like having this treatment and I still seem to be the person going to him telling him that he's good. And then I'm the bad guy again. And does that come from him as well? You're a wonderful person. No. I guess you're a little. lovely person. You're a lovely person. Okay. If you are indeed such close friends and if he's indeed such a wonderful person, then you may want to find this relational structure that will actually highlight that. Being his friend may give you much more of the wonderful qualities that he has

than being his girlfriend. At least for right now. So he can stay in your life. it's not clear that he will. Generally, when that dynamic occurs, it's more common that the person will be more vindictive and not want anything to do with you. They'll try, they'll try, they'll come back, they'll come back until they finally realize that maybe they're not going to get what they want

and then they'll say, fuck you. Yeah. But if he does stay, have him in your life. but have him in the structure of relationship that gives you access to the best qualities that he has. If he's such a wonderful friend, be a friend. I love him. That is a wonderful thing,

but that doesn't mean you need to make a life in that dynamic. Yeah. It doesn't change if people don't actively take ownership over what they do. to create this kind of dynamic. And that means you and him. Yeah. We are in the midst of our session.

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Shopify.com slash Esther. One of the reasons that I contacted you is I just want, I know that I'm autonomous. in this relationship. But it's really hard to admit that I've let somebody walk all over me and that I haven't been strong enough to tell them to piss off.

It makes me question myself so much more. Which is one of the reasons why, these dynamics sometimes go on for a long time because he has his denial. His denial is to shift the blame on you, but you have your denial, which is this isn't really happening. I could walk away at any time. I am a strong woman. I am autonomous. Nobody tells me what to do like that. But in fact, that's not what's happening. So it's one denial meeting another denial, so to speak. I hear you. And when you just say, but I love him, so what?

I mean, I hear you. It's a deep feeling. But the question remains. And what do you want to do that your feelings of love are mired into a relationship that is ultimately going to make you lose your entire sense of yourself? Yeah. So you will continue. to say, I love him, but the I will have dissolved in the process. Yeah.

It's not easy. You're going to surround yourself with friends, and you're going to have to be honest with your friends and let them know what's going on, not by blaming him, but by telling them that you found yourself in a relationship where instead of increasingly becoming bolder and stronger and more recognized, it's all the reverse that is happening. And that's not because of what he does only. If on the other end you say, I want to do some couples work and I want us to both go and deal with this dynamic, go ahead. It won't change alone.

Somebody has to see this in action to be able to intervene. Yeah. Each of you will make perfect sense when you talk alone to your own respective therapists. Yeah. Couples counseling is on the cards right now. we've seen a couple's counsellor before and it didn't she wasn't great and my concern is that he's going to he's going to charm them and he's not going to show the truth is the dynamic when there's another person present then you'll put that on the table too yeah yeah a good clinician

sees the invisible and sometimes here's the inaudible I mean thank goodness for you and thank goodness for this phone call like I

it's just like clearing the clouds from my brain look I'm going to ask the question again and we're going to say goodbye but it is the question that you didn't answer

which is where does your challenge come from because you could say you know saying no is difficult for me. So I found a person with whom I can practice that muscle. Right. These things are a mind fuck. But you may want to say, I want to practice my no, and I found the best place to do so because here is a person who doesn't hear any of them.

So I practice boundaries with somebody who doesn't respect any of them, or sees them all as an attack on him, or sees them as a weakness of mind, but they're all qualified. Or you may say that doesn't have to be the way I'm looking for a relationship. I know you're 35 and I know that you love him and I know that you think you've had your share. But maybe that should bring you also a level of awareness that says, is this how I want to live? But I think that's the thing. It's like I don't know how I'll have a healthy and wholesome.

relationship. I just keep on seem to getting like battered or something. Why me smart, accomplished, professional, insightful autonomous woman find myself in relationships with men where I end up in this kind of

battered position. That is a very powerful question. Yeah. And how do I learn to seed sooner rather than later? Yeah. And how do I say I'm breaking the cycle and then act on it? Is this a good place to stop? In my head, I'm only just beginning.

Because I'm leaving you with some big questions rather than slap answers. Because you have the answer. To the question that you came with, you know the answer before you came. To what is the cycle that you are repeating? We didn't get to, but we suspect there is one, because this is not your first time. Different melodies for the same dance. If we were seeing each other regularly, this would be the moment where I say to be continued. But it will be continued but without me.

But I'm inviting you to take this. and do something with it. We will. Thank you. Okay. Thank you very much. This was a classic Esther calling, a one-time intervention phone call

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