Whiskey Ginger with Andrew Santino - Big Jay Oakerson

Episode Date: April 7, 2023

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What up, Whiskey Ginger fans? Welcome back to the show. If it's your first time joining the show, welcome to the show, man. We got a good one for you today, like my man Steve Harvey done say. It's Big Jay Oakerson. It's the Big Jay. Go check out his special out right now on YouTube. It's in the description below, so go check it out. Check out the Big Jay in all of his glory, his new special out right now. Also, come see me and Bobo live me and the Bob are on tour right now. Go to bad friends, pod.com, bad friends, pod.com to see us on the road. We're going to be going to Oklahoma city, uh, Louisville. Uh, we're going to be going to Charlotte and Durham, um, and Indianapolis and Detroit. Uh, we're doing Philly. We are everywhere.

We're doing four dates in Florida, four cities in Texas. We're going all over the map. Portland, Seattle, Spokane, and Nashville on 420. Nashville, Tennessee on 420, baby. Come see me, Nashville 420. Go to badfriendspod.com for those tickets.

Enough rambling from me. Let's go to the episode. In here, we pour whiskey, whiskey, whiskey, whiskey, whiskey. You are that creature in the ginger beard. Sturdy and ginger. Like vampires, the ginger gene is a curse. Gingers are pugilist. You owe me $5 for the whiskey and $75 for the horse.

Gingers are hell no. This whiskey is excellent. Ginger. I like gingers. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Whiskey Ginger. My guest today is one of my favorite people on earth. I say that for all my guests, but I mean it once again today. It's Big J. First time that's ever

rhymed in all this shit. Hell yeah. First time ever. I'll take it. Cheers. You got some sweet sauce there. I poured a little bit more than I should have for you, but whatever. It's okay. Whatever. And a couple of dcs you see that guy online cuisine that kid from new york no there's a kid online i think he's a tiktok guy or anyway he does like it doesn't matter video shorts now but he's like in a town guy he's's like tall. And he talks about drinking DCs every morning, like the way he does it.

DCs. Yeah. And he talks about, Hey, how you doing? How's your sister? A couple of DCs get me going. He's very,

dude, the New York has made characters out of people that are just regular personalities. Oh yeah. Like it inflates just a normal personality. Oh, cause the middle of the country can't believe that's a real person. You gotta go all the way for the best sandwich you know that was a character dude no it is funny that the we've we've embraced these people uh on the internet

faction as they become like larger than life characters even though that's who that kid has been since he was born well it's like bagel boss guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then like, uh, it is funny when they roll with like,

nobody understands moment in time, like with, with low, like talent. Yeah. Like if you get famous for like infamy for like a dumb thing like that. Right. It's like that bagel boss guy's life is worse now than it was before he got

popular. Yeah. Because now people go, it's like, you didn't do anything. You were like naturally famous and that's it. Huh? You didn't do anything with popular. Yeah. Because now these people go, it's like, you didn't do anything? You were, like, nationally famous, and that's it, huh? You didn't do anything with it? Yeah, but cool, because it didn't exist. It was just a moment in time of a funny small bit.

The only way that those things— The hatchet hitchhiker made the most of his moment. Bro. Smash. Smash. Smash. I watched that on the plane. I couldn't believe that that guy turned out to be an actual murderer.

A murderer himself? Yeah. It's like the whole time he's talking about smashing someone with a hatchet. We're like, dude, this guy's the shit. And then also like being like, you know, when they show all the stuff, you have to go back like, damn, Jimmy Kimmel or was it Kimmel? Yeah, Kimmel had him on. Yeah, it was like, you were sitting right next to a murderer.

Yeah. And then like when they go back in the trailer for that, they had the best point, I think, of the whole documentary. The guy goes, yeah, we really kind of overlooked, on a scene,

he saved those people. He was actually in the car with the guy who he did this to first. He's saying he did whatever, and then his reaction to stop him was to pound him

over the head two times with the back end and one time with the sharp end of a hatchet. And like, you saved that family. He goes, hang on.

That's crazy. You could have like subdued a guy. Right. Choked him out. Punched him once. Hit him with the thing once and then it becomes like maybe a scrum of some sort. Yeah. He just like buried a hatchet and then.

By the way, a hatchet to the head. Doesn't that kill you immediately? I'm shocked the guy lived. You'd have thought. Maybe it was blunt as hell. Weak swing, though. Yeah, I guess it was a really weak swing. Smash, smash, smash.

Nah. Nah. It's like swipe, push, tug. Bump, slap, nudge. Put that guy up. Yeah, it's about making the most. Once he started fading out, he was like, I'll kill a guy. Get back in the news.

I want to get back on the news. Get a face tattoo and get back in the game. I watched that doc on the plane. I had to back from australia on a 16-hour flight so i watched everything i watched literally every documentary including uh not what's it called this like it's the supernatural series now uh it's like ancient aliens i have to look it up but it's like a newer version about this he was on rogan the, and I can't remember his name, but he, I'm not going to be able to, but he talked about, you know, how like all these archaeologists have like continually disregarded his work. Right.

But he, because he's just like, they're lazy, which I think is the funniest response when scientists have collectively been like, this isn't true. And he's like, nah, you're just not fucking in it, dude. I know. You're not deep in this shit people who want to believe they want to believe so bad he needs he needs it i really fall into like the you know howard stern kind of like preaches this all the time i don't think he always practices it but i mean i i like to just think in the most basic levels of like when you

die you're just dead nothing happens yeah if there was if there are aliens we have no contact with them we've never seen them they've never been here like we'd hear about it you would just find out somehow it would get leaked out i mean you find that if like a a c-level celebrity fucks a trans person yeah i mean like everybody knows yeah you find that i you'd know if there was just dead bodies of aliens in yeah spread out nevada yeah and they always every time they have a documentary they're like they've declassified the footage and then you watch the footage and then like uh like a lighting camera guy does a video and goes like this is what's happening it's the shadow of that messing with that and that's why it looks like it takes off because they turn,

and the shadow flies away. Right. You're like, yeah, that adds up. Yeah. I think the basics, I get what you're saying. I get the basics level of it. My conspiracy love on this one side of my hemisphere,

my brain goes, but wouldn't it be tight if it was all fucking real? Sure. If this was all just this bullshit. Oh, I tend to not believe that it is real but you're like hey that could possibly be that realization is the thing that made up like remember scare tactics oh yeah yeah why that show was so brilliant to me and i don't know i guess it went off the air probably because legally it was hard to do yeah they would really make people

think they're gonna die totally and the way they would do that that I found interesting was, like, the psychology of it was one of the best ones. It was Ogden, Utah. I just remember that place. Yeah. It's not like you're in L.A. or New York or a place, like, in the world of entertainment where, like, this is fake. Special effects isn't around. Something happening is fake here. Right.

It's 1 o'clock in the morning on a dark road in ogden utah and they're playing a trick on one of the girls in the car with her friends and the guy's a stunt driver and they go down this road they're not supposed to go down because it was closed off by the cops but he was like we're going we're going straight and they're kind of like uh you know the girl who's like okay i guess we're going we have to get to this party. And then they get up the road more. There's a vampire like eating a cop. Like it looks like, you know, it was like the cops like bleeding and shaking and they're,

and then they chase them on motorcycles. Uh, the vampire, they jump on the hood of the car and the ladies, it's not even just her fear. She's also processing like, okay, well,

so vampires are a thing. Right. Like to see them process that. Not only that, it's like everything you've ever thought was like, well, this is just a fake movie character. It's all real. Holy shit, it's all real. And that's like the interesting thing of that. So it's like, that's the kind of the fun you're saying.

That's a conspiratorial thing that leans in. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. So the same thing where it's like, wouldn't it be cool if it's all real? It's like, yeah, just the whole time. Like for sure. It's like a, they live.

You put on sunglasses and every and most people are aliens. Right, right. Oh, shit. A piece of me needs to know it's real just because it feels like too, I think without it, there's too much, like, harmony. It's almost too simple to be like, yeah, we're here and it's fine. It's a big accident. Yeah, it's like, fuck that. That's crazy.

It's got something else's foot. We'll never find out. But I think it was like. Not in our lifetime. No, got something else's foot. We'll never find out. But I think it was like, no, he went into this great, the one thing that he continues to say throughout this, this whole series, which,

um, I, I always find interesting. And I think that sometimes, especially when I'm overseas or I'm not at home, it's like, I'll be like last time I was in fucking Hawaii, there isn't a day that goes by without at one moment me going,

well, a volcano could fucking just hit and we'd be dead. Like, that's it. I could just, this is it. Like I'm, I'm trapped in the middle of nowhere.

And then I think of that in my daily life sometimes of like, what if this was the day you and I are sitting here and this is the day that the rock is like, it's fucking coming. And they're not going to tell you this whole idea of movies that we had over all these years of red dawn is sort of he goes look i think there's russians parachuting in here he don't say is that what that no then i like that movies and tv shows for over the years for the apocalypse have always said like there's a news report like warning like even in the uh what was the one with lena dicaprio or is the end of the world, where they fucking.

A look up? Yeah, a look up. Yeah, don't look up or whatever. It's like they had like all this, you know, pre-planned shit on the news for months that it's happening. It's happening. You know fucking well the government will never tell you when it's coming. No. If they know, they're like, all right, dude, don't fucking say anything.

They'd rather you be surprised. Yeah. Right. Everybody starts like, you know, that's when you have the, all those movies have. Like, it's like, all right, we have to drive to so-and-so. Traffic jam. Right, right, right. Traffic jam for eight states.

Right. So what, no, you know the government's never going to tell you. The stone's just going to fucking collapse us and that'll be the end of time. It'll hit the thing and ripple us off. There's a fireball coming here. Yeah. It's getting a little close. Yeah, it's real close.

Ah, it's probably like a satellite or something burning out. Yeah, you know, this Chinese wall, those balloons, man. It's that hot air balloon. Yeah, it's real close. It's probably like a satellite or something burning out. Yeah, you know, those Chinese, those balloons, man. It's that hot air balloon. Well, you're right. I am also like, if we are meant to stay sheep in that regard, like I'm the best. I'm fine with that too. I'm like the best audience for that. I've been saying with like that, like, but again, I'm happy some people pay attention

and over give a shit because someone's got to. The Roe versus Wade overturning examples, like my favorite one of just like, I remember my girlfriend's like panic when they did the, it just leaked that in a couple of weeks, that was going to overturn Roe versus Wade. And I'm like, will you stop listening to dumb news things? And I always say, I say it on stage too,

because it's funny because of how out of the thing I go, isn't Roe versus Wade like biblical? It's been around since like the Bible. It's been around like the 70s or something it's like 40 years it's some crazy short amount of time it's been around since like the bible it's not going anywhere and then like i said that one day you wake up and they go they did it they overturned it it's illegal now in so many states and you're like oh shit i guess i should someone's gotta pay attention yeah but what's the what's the break line do you have a thing that you do invest a lot of time into other than comedy like like watching stuff like like outside yeah outside in the world like do you have like what's your

little bullshit niche niche thing that like either you invest you know like either your hobby or your collection or your fucking the thing you're obsessed over that has nothing to do with the business yeah not obsessed with it ultimately, but I mean like, I find like intriguing when I was watching those, but I'm starting to lose steam

on them a bit now is the online puns. Oh, the hunters? Yeah. Yeah, because like, the more I watch it and I went on one with a guy, we didn't catch anybody,

but like. That's so funny. It's like a fishing trip where you didn't catch anything. You're like, do I get my money back for this? It was really like, you went,

I was like, all right. We were out at four in the morning on that boat. It was freezing a fishing trip where you didn't catch anything. You're like, do I get my money back for this? It was really like, he went, I was like, all right. We were out at four in the morning on that boat. It was freezing. We saw a guy, I mean, a guy ran for his life from us, which was an interesting thing to see. Because he never got out of his car. And when he realized, he was like, oh shit, this is what's happening.

He hauled ass in a car and hit speed bumps. And his old car was rocking when he hit those speed bumps. And I was like, it was so interesting now, but it was so, and he got back, he got into the street and then you got to let him go. They said, cause like that's the law cause unless it's a cop or something,

a cop can chase you. That's what I'm saying. But you got the bounty hunter ones. No, if we would've went out there and did it, it would have been totally illegal. That's why I like dog, the bounty hunter.

Cause he, like he acted like he had authority that a police officer would have. It was brilliant. But you know where he got me? He'd always let, he goes, hey, do you want to smoke?

He always goes, hey, look, I know we had to chase you down for eight days and I called you a motherfucker and humiliated you in front of your family.

You want me to let you have a cigarette? And then they got to do, he assumes everyone can white trash smoke because they're cuffed. Right here. So we're doing like the,

yeah, side smoke, one side, one side here. So we're doing like the. Yeah. Side smoke. One side, one side. Yeah, dude. I like that. Did you have that growing up? Did you have people smoking inside your home? Yeah.

Indoor smoking is a new level. It's, and I've smoked since I was like my late teens, early 20s. And I've never even batted around the idea of smoking indoors in my own house. But did your parents smoke inside? My mom, stepfather, yeah, always. Everybody. Yeah, my mom doesn't smoke anymore, but until the time she quit, like, in-house smoking always,

to the point that I never even thought of it as a smell. Like, it didn't register with me. This is what's even worse. Now, if I, like, you know, yesterday, you know, I was smoking. It was rained yesterday. We were out last night. Like, when you get up this morning and you're like, with clothes you're like yeah there it is yeah there it is all that cigarette but you're like how did i never growing up i was like i just lived in that cloud and also

everybody had cloth cars back seats back in the day cloth seated uh rides and so that but you know what's funny is my dad smoked winston's my whole life and winston's are you know uh they're they're only smoked by like degenerate gamblers. It's like a degenerate's favorite. And my dad's car used to have a Cutlass, an old Cutlass Supreme. Nice. And the Cutlass had a smell

that when the sun would hit the seats, the smell of the Winston's in it. But I got to tell you, I like it. Like it does something to me. It makes, it smells like summer in Chicago in my mind. It's odd thing, like, I remember weird, like, kissing someone, like a girl who's got whiskey breath. Like I said, I'm not a big whiskey guy at all.

But like, for some reason, I like that. Like, I taste that somehow. It tastes good, yeah. It's interesting. Like whiskey and cigarettes. Oh. It's delicious. There's one cigarettes. Oh. It's delicious. There's one thing, though, I learned young that is a weirdly universal smell.

Smoking a cigarette while taking a shit. Oh, yeah. It doesn't matter what your individual shit smells like or what your cigarettes you smoke, but cigarettes and shit is the same smell every time. And I remember one time in a smoking room hotel a zillion years ago, I think even Soda was when he goes, oh, taking a shit while you're smoking is the best. And I did it.

And I was like, yo, this is handing my dad a roll of toilet paper when I was a kid, like through the door, and the door would crack, and I'd go, that's the identical smell to my dad taking a shit. That should be a commercial for Charmin toilet paper, is handing your dad through the crack. Identical. Memories. Identical smell to my dad. That should be a commercial for Charmin. Totally. Handing your dad through the crack of a door. Here, Pop.

Here, Pop. Oh, my God. What I thought was interesting is my parents, my step-pop and mom and my dad, my stepfather still smokes Newports. My mom smoked Kools and my dad smoked Kools. What I find just so funny about that is that like menthol cigarettes for my whole like teenage and adult life the joke and kind of real thing has been it's like a black people's like thing is they do menthol cigarettes yeah and i never had

that correlation until you got older because i was like i don't know what you like my folks my parents are black and that's what they smoke. Yeah, they exclusively smoke. Cool filter kings. You go to them as a kid, you're like, are you guys black, and you're not telling me something? Do I not know? Am I colorblind? Are we a pretty advanced family?

How progressive are we? My dad smoked Winston's, and then his brother smoked Paul Mall unfiltered. Damn. Army cigarette. Well, if you're in the service, Paul malls are what they used to get. And he was, he was in the service.

And then when he got back, he would roll his own cigarettes. And then sometimes I think if he had enough money, he would buy Paul mall unfiltered. Cause they tasted just like self rolled because he refused to buy filters. When you self roll. Now they come in a pack. I see them now.

They come with filters. Some of them, but back in the day, in the late eighties and early nineties, yeah, that you had a quick roll. see them now. They come with filters, some of them. But back in the day, in the late 80s and early 90s, yeah, you had a quick roll. There was no fucking, nobody bought the filters.

So he liked those because it was just like, you know, It's interesting about that as a smoker, like if somebody was like, if I was like, have a cigarette,

I'll roll you one. I'd almost rather not because it really defeats, something about the, the commercialized formed cigarette is like part of the thing. Oh yeah. So if it was like some kind of weird, like gnarly,

just like, I'm like, I'm not really doing it for the nicotine is like, this isn't fun. Yeah. I like the system. Yeah. So I could smoke my cigarette point with it.

Look cool. Hey, you're not going over here. The bad one. You can't point. No, it's all different way. The back's got like the tobacco falling out of it that is true though that's so funny it's like a self-rolled

cigarette even the best one you're like it's not that good it's like a joint of tobacco yeah and i like the chemicals give me that was the thing that we found out in australia was a lot of people europe was the same way a lot of people when'd smoke weed, they would all smoke spliffs. They all wanted tobacco in there. And I quit smoking a while ago. And I try to stay away from it because once in a great while, I'll slip back in. I'm not going to lie. But I try to get away from cigarettes because I was like, man, I quit for a reason. I had to get off of them.

And when I smoke a spliff immediately, I hate it because the taste of tobacco with weed i think is terrible i don't know i'm and i always tell them i'm like just smoke just the weed yeah i don't fully get this i don't understand that what would be the point you're like smoke a cigarette after you get high that's the fun of it all right you get high then you smoke a cigarette you're done smoking and you're like oh now i'm gonna go outside and rip a butt feels like being stoned yeah right right i was like why do you combining the two to me, it defeats the purpose. You don't get as high, and also you don't even get, like, the satisfaction of a cigarette because it's.

They also burn different. They do burn different. So it burns very odd when they do that, yeah. Yeah, this is Big Jay and Andrew Santino campaigning against spliffs. Cut that shit out, all right? You heard that? You hear me, Jamaica? You hear me? Youica you hear me you listen up jamaica jamaica uh no i just i didn't like it when we had a couple of people local guys that would i we asked to get weed and i was like you know can you get us weed

and there's one kid one irish kid mal this kid was great dude who was one of the drivers he's like no i'll get you weed and i was like how much money do you want he's like well it's a rip-off but i'll get you a deal so i said give me whatever you can and then they had a couple of at the party a couple of guys had at a joint and i and i had to ask i was like is this from this bag or is this you guys he's like no no no i brought he brought it and i was like just i'll roll up something else i was like i don't want to smoke yeah good weed that i just paid for in a shitty spliff joint sure i just want to smoke the weed i was like just by't want to smoke yeah good weed that i just paid for in a shitty spliff joint sure i just want to smoke the weed i was like just by the way weed in australia so hard to get oh i bet it would that day so it's illegal apparently which is country yeah i sound like

a weirdo but literally we were smoking a joint out front of the hotel and there's a group of us and we're gonna go to dinner and some guy was, hey, you guys should go around the corner. And I was like, oh, we by the front door? I thought it was like a respect. Sure. Sorry, I don't want to get weed in the lobby. He's like, no, no, no, no, no, dude, it's super illegal. There's cops, you know, walking the strip right there.

And I was like, what? Like, they're going to say something to us? Yeah. In this prison continent? What the fuck? It's been so long. This is where we send our garbage? Are you guys scumbags?

I thought this would be promoted. It's a prison planet. Right. No, but it was a big deal. And, you know, a couple of the people that we were with, unnamed, people were trying to get Coke at this party. And another thing that's like, you forget. You're like, I'm on an island 17 hours away from anything. Yeah.

So yeah, it's impossible to get stuff. So they were trying to get Coke and they were all talking about how expensive it was and all this shit. And I don't, I don't do it. So I was like, well, have fun, I guess. And he was like, oh, we're overpaying for this stuff. And I don't want to share with anybody. I was like, isn't that the whole thing about Coke is you have to share it with somebody.

Yeah. I was like, so either you're a guy on Coke. Yeah. You don't have one dude at the party. Why do you guys not want to breakdance? In here, we pour whiskey. Hey man, I love it when it starts to warm up in Southern California.

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We got off at the port, you know, it was one of those cruise ship like ports. And this is before the year, like the first time we went, we were like, you know, they say they're like, don't bring weed. You're like, it's pretty serious, I guess. International waters. And we didn't bring weed. And then we got to the Bahamas where maybe we could find some weed yeah here and we get off and it's like no matter what you are you just when they see you coming and you even know like they see me coming i don't know anything boy i sure hope they don't

do the fucked up thing that they're probably gonna do hey can we get we sure man i got you give me the money of 60 bucks or whatever for, I forget. It was something lame. It was even like an eighth or something. Like, that would have been enough. But I was like, well, it's better than nothing. You know, we get an eighth. Gave it to the guy.

The guy leaves on like a scooter, like a motor scooter. And I was like, we just gave money. That guy, that's never coming back. Yeah, never. It's not coming back it was also at a time where like it was my first one of those I've ever did

where I was like was I gonna rock music cruise ship who was the band and I was the comedian on it the first one was I've done it a bunch now

but that was Corn and God Smack that year whoa and it was but I was broke and like

it was already like there was no hook up for booze or anything. Do you know what I mean? You'd have to pay? So I'd have to pay for it. What?

On those fucking boats? Some of the back, you could get like beers and stuff, but if you wanted to like, get like, you know, I wanted to get my girl like a daiquiri and whatever, you know, it's like, so that's adding up to like, you know. It's 40 bucks a drink or some bullshit. I mean, it's crazy. And you can see,

you go on like your account thing and you're like, you're at $400 of drinks and whatever. And you're like, ugh. That's how much I'm getting paid for this gig.

I mean, it wasn't a lot of money for the gig. And we get off. I give it to Dave. He's a little more confident. I go, so the guy goes off on his scooter and we're sitting there

like we got fucked. He comes back and he gives us like a Ziploc bag with a tinfoil thing in it. And he goes, here you go, and he just zips off again. And I'm like, oh, he actually came back. And we were almost like, I bet it's not like a full eighth in there. It's probably like a cornball amount of weed. And when I tell you, it was like we opened the Ziploc bag. You start taking the tinfoil apart it was like

russian nesting dolls of tinfoil it was like another piece of tinfoil down to and i mean like a little nug of weed brown some color it didn't make sense it was so yeah and i was so defeated i just remember like uh i think i even got like hissy fit where I was just like, roll it up, Dave and you guys can go smoke it. I was just like so like defeated by the whole thing. And he rolled up like this little twig of like, it was so worthless. And then we just learned through the years like

just bring it on. Just bring it. Just bring it. Well, because they care more about checking booze, I've heard. I've never been on a cruise, but I hear that they the booze thing they freak out about, but they're not checking for anything else. On the Impractical Jokers cruise, there's a great video that Stan Hope put out of him. Like, he had his body covered in booze under his suit. Yeah.

He had rum runners on every part of his body. So he had, like, two gallons of, like, alcohol. Tape to his leg? I mean, yeah. It was so goddamn funny to do that. Because they don't pat you down when you get on the boat. No. Lewis one time brought it.

It's so funny. He goes, I put it next to my ball bag, up on my leg. Yeah, right here. Yeah. And then he pulled it. He goes, you want to smoke? I'm like, I don't know. Wash that bag off.

No, not really. Your weed? You told me where you put it. He's like, it's in my ball bag right now. I'm like, that's awful. I'm good, man. But what was funny was Dan Soder, when he went it? He's like, it's in my ball bag right now. I'm like, that's awful. I'm good, man. But what was funny was Dan Soder, when he went on the Joker's cruise, we all did that together. We got a bunch of weed.

And the way I would do it, it would be such overkill on what you need to do. Yeah. Me and my girlfriend would go the night before to the city of Miami or whatever, and we'd buy like a bunch of weed and then we'd buy a carton of cigarettes. Ooh. And then, but I mean, I would go, I'd open the carton, like where it looks like you can kind of like glue it back down. Uh-huh.

And I'd pull out a cigarette and I'd take the wrapper off a little bit just so I could open the package and empty out 20 cigarettes. What? And roll 20, 25 joints so you could fit in there. And put them back in there and then put the, you know, the thing you pull off back on, that part,

and put them back in the thing and we'd go through all of that trouble. That's so meticulous. And more than likely unnecessary. Because they probably never looked. What do they care? They just don't care.

Yeah. It's not really what they're looking for, I don't think. And, but, so we went on the Joker's cruise we did like that again but we got Soder 20 some joints and me and

Christine took our 20 some joints and he was like yeah is this like I'm like buddy stop worrying they don't care this is my 6th one of these they don't care if we were performing as like on Carnival Cruise lines, they might care about stuff like that.

But it was a chartered thing. They don't give a shit. And then I think the second night, Soder texts me. Or the second morning, he texts me. He goes, buddy, put your weed somewhere. They're coming down the hallways with the dogs. They had dogs? And they target Soder's room.

Soder, thank God, he panicked on the thing. I think they were like, do you have weed in here? And he was like, no. He goes, you have no weed? And he was like, I have just a little, like, right here. And, like, he gave him, like, a little bit to the head. Soder! And he had to go. But it's so funny, they make a whole

thing and you have to go down. Like you're in school still. You have to go to the principal's office. Well, there is like, those cruise ships have like jail rooms, basically. But there's no cops, right? There's no, like who's the authority? Maritime police, which doesn't even sound like it. Get the fuck out of here.

They got on the three, those fucking three-point hats. Hear ye? It's one of those Wes Anderson movies where you're like, come on, man. I can't buy this. You with the suit on? three-point hats. Hear ye? I remember walking down. It's one of those Wes Anderson movies where you're like, come on, man, I can't buy this. You with the suit on? It is funny. You're an adult, though, and you have to sit there in the room,

and they go, you know, you know, sir, that smoking weed is illegal, and you can't, and they have to go. It's like, if it happens again, you know, there'll be a problem, and they let him go, and it's like not a big deal. Isn't there different rules at sea? Maritime law. Yeah, so there's a maritime law for smoking pot? I would guarantee there's no chance there is.

I would have to say that, too. Yeah, what the fuck? There's probably not a maritime law for anything. Can't you kill a guy in the ocean? Sure. It doesn't apply to any country. Some guy listening goes, yes! Just killed some fucking dude.

He goes, oh, thank God. He goes, is that true? Oh, then I am fine. I am good. listening goes yes just killed some fucking dude he goes oh thank god he goes yeah you gotta look is that true oh that i am fine i'm good baby we don't have to move to tucson stop packing i had we were in sydney where we were at the port the ship that's where the cruise ships would come in right next to pier one where i stayed and um these cruise ships would fucking come in and they were like Celebrity X or whatever the other name is. Not the other one. And they were like, I went out to get a coffee. And one of the people from the boat company, you could tell, was the...

And I was like, oh, you tired? You need a late night coffee to, you know, because I like drinking coffee late in the day. People think I'll drink it at 7, 8 p.m. People are like, what do you know? But I said to i said to him i go oh late night coffee on long night he goes yeah tomorrow we've got the biggest cruise ship of this fleet coming in and i was like no shit well i can see it from my fucking window so and he goes well this will block your view entirely and we're joking around about blah blah blah and the next morning never in my life dude i know i sound like a guy who saw a moose for the first time i fucking was stunned at how big that fucking thing was it

had like 10 floors on top of it and when they open the gates and let those people off dude i mean not trying to be mean but when they're rolling off half of the cast of My 600-lb Life off that fucking thing, it's like shocking how many huge overweight people in rascal scooters, they have to have the ramps to get them all off, and they have separate ramps for the scooter people to get off. It's tragic as fuck. A regular cruise is a fat person's like dream. Yes.

It's really 24 hours a day. There is a buffet. But it's not just fat. This is like globally fat. No, no, no, for sure. Well, I'm saying I've seen Mike Fennoy, a hilarious comic, actually, when he did the Joker's one the first time, the practical Joker's one, which I've done that and I've done all these like rock and roll ones.

Whatever it is, you just go into that buffet and you watch people like, I was calling them cruise nachos because, and I mean this, it'd be like, they go to every station, like little spaghetti, a little slice of pizza, ribs.

Oh, now there's like some Chinese kind of food, noodles on top of it. And then after all of those things, they go over to the very end of it. You could just crank like a hot nacho sauce on it. Oh God. So it's just like whatever tour of Europe foods you have there,

these crazy things. And then just crank. It's so gross. So gross. It's tough to see, man. It's so weird. Maybe sad. People say that.

Also, I find the food to be not that good on cruise ships. How could it be? It's like a golden corral at sea. Right. But I think what it attracts is people who are like, they always go, oh, the food, the non-style. They're talking about abundance. Right.

They don't mean quality. Right. They want gluttony. They just want to be able to eat as much as you can. And you can do that when you go to the restaurants, for the most part, at least what I saw. The restaurants just serve you the buffet food. They bring it to your table versus you getting it yourself.

Essentially what it is. But we were having so much fun laughing the one time because they had lobster tails. And also the thing about the restaurant is it's a menu. They give you the menu. And you can go at any time. Let me get four spaghettis, three of this, and they'll bring it to you. They're not huge portions, but that's why they'll keep bringing it to you. And I remember me and my girlfriend just like, they kept bringing out these lobsters.

I mean, they were three inches long, these lobster tails. For sure. And it's like, I guess, can you bring 11? Bring 11 of them? And they would, though. They don't care. Yeah, they don't think about it. Here, here, here.

It means nothing to them. It gets me back in the days. Whenever I see cruises, it gives me this feeling in my chest of like when I used to do those Vegas rooms when I was first starting out and they would make you stay in the fucking like, you know, the asbestos latent room in the half basement of fucking the garage. And you'd have to eat in the basement with the crew and there's no windows down there in the basement. You get your little employee card and you could do up to like, I think it was two meals

a day or something. Like you couldn't have breakfast there, but you could do lunch and dinner and remember that dude. And you'd get paid like, I don't know, it was like 30 bucks a show or something like that. And you'd go eat in the basement. And that feeling of the buffet, even the buffet felt like it was the leftover buffet from upstairs. Like it was what they, it's like what didn't make the cut or what they had left over. That sadness makes me feel, that's what cruises look like to me so i can't that's what they are i can't do it even when i did when you do it and i've started to get like you know i'd be going on there with a little more of like uh you know making more

money my name was a little bit bigger and then that's when they start doing like oh no you got to go up to like the artists like lounge food real food and you get up there and they're like, oh, where they have tuna sandwiches. Which is like more shit. It's even worse. It's green room food. Like all of it. They're so proud of it. Somehow the improv serves on the boat. Isn't this just the improv menu

at sea? Yeah. Fried mushrooms. Yeah. I can't with that menu. The improv at sea. There's no organic way to fucking do this but I do want to make sure I plug it before we get to I'll just keep going off into nothingness but when this is out and this will be out when you have a new special out

which is incredible I'm not gonna kiss your butthole more than three seconds but you're a phenomenal comic, and everybody needs to watch this because you're fucking great. And it's out. The name of it is? Dog Belly.

Dog Belly is out. I'm sure you explained more of that in the special. Yeah, Dog Belly. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dan Soder actually gave me the name as a suggestion. Oh, he did? I was just going to do live from Skankfest,

and now it's called Dog Belly Live from Skankfest, basically. You had to include the Skankfest in there. Yeah. We're going to pull that out. Yeah, we got to shove it down their throats so they know what we're doing. That should be the title, Skankfest. We're shoving it down your throat.

We're shoving it down your throat, Skankfest. But yeah, it comes from one of the bits, and Soda was like, it's such a great... Because it's also... The concern of having the name be something you have to watch the special to understand, always in my mind, all I ever see with that is, I want you to take his face off.

You remember? Right, right. I'm like, is that what it's always going to be when you see the name in the special? You're like, corny. But I think the way it hits is like a different so no i mean look it gives i like when i did that special on netflix and i said i was and i named a cheeseburger for two reasons one it has a bit in it about it and the other side of it was um

neil brennan was talking to me about it when he came on the show and was like because i was like oh i don't want them to have to watch it but he was like yeah but it's a it's a phrase where who gives a shit it's basically he's like it yeah, but it's a phrase where who gives a shit. It's basically, he's like, you're saying two things. One, you're saying this will mean something

in the special. Also, who the fuck cares? Yeah. It doesn't matter. You're watching Big Jay Oakerson's special. It doesn't fucking matter what I put after that.

That's why a lot of times what I really like is, who used to do this a lot? Oh, God. I can see the comic in my head, but every one of his tours would be just like, back on tour, or on tour, or again, on tour. Instead of naming a tour, it was just like, fuck it, man. It's whatever. It's Big J on tour.

Big J in your city. Because it just gets exhausting when they're like, but we want to market a new thing with your name in the thing. And you're like, whatever, man. It's fun to name the tour thing i guess but like it is what was so funny was i've never done it before and then everyone was like this time around like we should like name it just throw a name onto it so i was like uh oh from a bit i was doing at the time i was like oh you gotta want it you gotta want it tour and then as soon as i got announced i did kill tony and they bagged on me for it like hard which was funny i mean it's hilarious i didn't give a shit

i was like yeah i guess it is corny and then i've never named anything ever again and i think it's changed now because of the special coming out they've changed a lot of the banners and headings and stuff but like it's funny doing phoners now now they go uh big j's bringing is you gotta want it toward a thing you're like you don't have to like i literally said that in 2018 or something let's just never talk about it again also it's something that usually you threw away into the into the it's like a phone call with like an agent or something where they're like what do you want to call it and you're like uh you know that about it about that tour and they're like got it great we'll print it on everything and you're like no wait i'm fucking i'm just filling time because i didn't answer that email you sent to me a month ago

that's really what it is is like most of the time comics are like i don't know man i don't have some grandiose vision we're not as much as we'd love to be. And there's a cool thing about that. Like, comedians cool, for the most part, people that I like too, tends to be by accident almost. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? So times when you have to put forward like a cool thing always feels fucking lame. I just took my first like promo pictures in like 10 years. Yeah.

I've taken them and I get it. You see the picture and you're like, it, it looks cool. I guess like they just put up a new, they just gave me a thing for a new like tour dates thing. And I'm like, looks cool. But if any of my friends had the same poster,

even though I'd go, it's a cool picture. I'm like, when I see him, I'm going to uncork because it's the class. It's like, they ended up going with like, it does look'm lighting a joint i mean i'm lighting a joint the smokes everywhere and you know look and it's like all the dates down there and i'm like

that's really putting forth an image that isn't actually i know but the truth is you learn as you go on in the business that all the things that we would make fun of but and we still do you're a part of it anyway because it's a part of a thing that isn't you it's completely out of your fucking control lewis j gomez really uh knows me well and and caught me at a good time he just did this with my promotion thing too but when he came to my comedy central hour taping he did the warm-up for me and he was there and he was there we did the run-throughs and i didn't know what the intro was gonna i knew the band was gonna play yeah and i was gonna walk out from the back i picked kind of the backdrop and how it is i love that but when i go out he goes

so there's gonna be cryo jets like on the sides of the stage so when you walk out that the banner is gonna be flowing you're gonna come the cryo jets are gonna go off and you just go around like you know, shake hands, knuckle pound the audience, and then you just sit in your chair. Right. And I went out there and did it for the run-through, and Louis grabbed me in the back, and he was like, I know.

I know you. I know your personality well. I know it sucks. He's like, don't go out there. And he knew what I was going to do. I was going to go out there, and while all that grandiose things are going off, I'm be like i know right everything's gonna be like this is dumb and how dumb is he goes you got it for that one minute own it and go out there and be like you know what's up we're doing this and i'm like it's so against the grain because i just want to be like isn't this too much for like yeah i'm just gonna sit on a stool and tell jokes this is the

thing that like comics have to get over at some point is, like, yeah, man, but it's also a show. And you're giving them a performance and it's a part of a thing. It's like, I think it's hard to explain, but I know exactly what you're talking about. But in music, like, you get to posture and it's awesome. Yeah. It's what we like. It's what every comedian wants. Choosing to put your foot on the monitor.

Fuck yeah. One of them's on the monitor and the way you're holding the mic and that means something the way you're looking at the audience also maybe not calculated in each move but you're calculating i'm gonna be up here like a fucking panther on the stage and like uh-huh you know like a like a rock god you know people and then comedy's just you're supposed to be going like I'm a doofus, huh? So to have that moment where you're like, you know I'm coming down from the ceiling and stuff Yeah, no you it's it's but it also works I never like when I was just like like a mark for it or a person like watching comedy And stuff a good example that always is like Dane Cook's thing. I wasn't just like what a jerk- jerk off he's being like that i'm like this guy's like a rock star it looks rad yeah

everybody unequivocally every fucking liar can say whatever they want everyone you know was back then was like wow this is dope because it was huge it was big it kind of made you feel something different than all the other things you had seen before and his comedy was also big enough to fill that space. You know what I mean? It's not like sitting on a stool, guy. It's not like a, like a Bargatze

where it's like, you know, more like dialed back, like come to them. Yeah, it's right here. He was like, you know,

he's on the ground, he's on his knees, he's on his back. Spitting, flipping, yeah, spitting that water up into the fucking sky

in that wife theater. And everyone remembers that so vividly because every one of us was, was, whether you were a comic right at the moment or you were trying to be a comic, sky in that white theater and everyone remembers that so vividly because every one of us was was whether you were a comic right at the moment or you were trying to be a comic i remember watching it being like god this dude is all i'm not that thing i wasn't i was like i'll never be that big but it was extremely impressive meanwhile on the other side of that coin is like chapelle

you know i'm speaking out of turn, but like, he smokes on stage. So much of his smoking mannerisms are performative. I mean, I know the guy loves smoking, but it's also very much a part of the dance he does. No, when you want to do it,

when he starts slighting it, and he goes, and you know, before it's lit, he's still talking with it in the mouth. I'm like, oh yeah, those are calculated things.

A hundred percent. You and I, like, he came out to Australia, and him and Donnell and Brandon I mean when you come out to a sorry to cut you off

but it's on the smallest level like when they ask you what song you're coming out to or whatever and the thing like I certainly like you know the song

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i came with some cast and crew members and you hear them talk about it and they're like it was it was magical to them but you're inside of it so you see it differently and when you feel that like even the smoking thing i see what it does for them and it's unexplainably perfect where you're like ah yes this was very good he brought this girl over and was was chopping it up with this girl like four rows in and we kept taking the cigarette out and looking back and do it and it was like i was stoned to the gills but i was like analyzing every piece of it being like this is perfect this is exactly what they want to see it's as much of his personality as is true but it's also

he does that thing in a way where it was it's big rock star rock star shit but it's super small that was what i think that's what's so interesting about dave he does massive shit in a very small way oh it's trying to turn trying to turn the big space into a club you do something very similar honestly to compliment you is like you get you when you sit and you speak to somebody uh the way you do it fills a big thing with a very intimate small thing super difficult to do but honestly you really do a great job of like you're able to to kind of hook into something or someone and it's almost just like all these people then these hundreds or thousands of people are able to just like snap into one little thing super tough to do it's sort of though like and i appreciate thank you man that's awesome of you to say it's such like uh i think it's a comfort

thing but also like i to give always like credit to, I mean, not that he doesn't get his credit, but Patrice O'Neill, you know, one of the greats would have been, I think one of the greats ever. He probably would have been one of the best of all time.

Yeah. He, when I watched him, like I was, when I was young, I thought Bill Cosby himself doing it in the chair was kind of cool. It was cool. Yeah. I was never like driven to like necessarily sitting down comedy but watching patrice and the obvious like uh correlation of us like me and

patrice like both big guys both whatever and um you know we always had a great story i thought from the beginning like i looked up to him so much you know and and we were doing when i first got in new york a lot of the shows Patrice was closing, like the showcases, like I was on somewhere in the middle. Right. And we were friendly already, me and Patrice. He was like kind of took me under his wing, at least like as a friend to a degree because Keith Robinson brought us up. And it was me, Kevin Hart and Kurt Metzger.

And we were kind of like the new guys that Keith was bringing in. You, Kevin Hart, Kurt Metzger. Yeah. Look at you three now. It's crazy. Same space. Same space. Yeah.

Kev's going to get there. He'll figure it out. He'll figure it out. He's going to find his way. What an interesting thing too, like starting with someone like Kevin Hart really is like to no fault of his own, the emotional rollercoaster I've been on in my head of like Kevin Hart for the last 25 years is so not you know i mean because like first you're like oh dude one of our guys is doing it man like fucking kev's doing it and then you're like how is this going so great for you know i

mean like he's looking like a bitterness like to it and stuff it's like it's a weird thing to hold yourself up to do you know i mean like a Like a rare, not just like opportunities and luck, but like talent, you know what I mean, that got him to like, it's pretty impressive, man. It's wild. Crazy. What he did. But as a, you know, when you have like your 12th year of comedy

and you're like, all right, all my bills are paid, but I have 300 bucks, like, time to start this month over and do it again. You're like, I think I'm going to kill myself. I'm trying to remember what was the ultimate point we were talking about here with... Well, with you and Patrice, when you were starting up with Keith.

Oh, yeah, yeah. So he brought... So I still envied Patrice more than I felt like we were tight. You know what I mean? Sure. And I loved that we were like friendly and like would talk and he'd bullshit with us and talk on the phone and everything was great and then one day at caroline's after i did my set somehow got telephoned back to me you know people telling each other that uh

patrice said you're taking his material which i don't even know how to begin to like approach with him yeah because i'm not at all and and also but i was like but the fact that he said that to someone who feels that way like what do i do here i'm not gonna argue with him about it like i didn't but like that sucks so for the next two days or so at the comedy Cellar in New York I'd just kind of high him by him Do I mean a cold shoulder But more just like I avoided sitting at the table where they're all at And I kind of like you know

Hey guys what's up And then someone told him I'm sure somebody that I told what's going on Said something to him Comedy is high school by the way And he called me up The next day Still house phones at my listening. Oh, yeah. And he called me up the next day. Still house phones at my mom's house in Philly.

And he goes, he's like, man, I didn't say you stole my material. I didn't say that at all. He goes, what I said was, to his manager, he goes, what I said was that me and Jake, you've been up on all these shows. By the time I get on stage, I got nothing to talk about because you're doing fat guy shit he's like and then i go up there and do a bunch of like fat guys that's what i'm saying he goes but i'm telling you like don't worry about it you should do what you're doing the young guys are supposed to like make us rise up yeah he's like i gotta stop doing i got more to say than

a bunch of fat shit anyway so i'm to stop doing that stuff so much anyway. And it was funny. He basically was like, you can have it. Yeah, you can have it. And I was kind of like, when you hear that, you're like, well, I want to be better than that too. I don't want it either. But it was so funny the way that comes back to you.

But that was kind of a cool moment to watch Patrice change his thing. But also, I watched Patrice go from a standing comic to sitting on the stool. And at a place like the Comic Strip, these kind of intimate New York venues, watching him do that and the difference in the audience with him, because he's an imposing force and it's aggressive comedy. And something about just sitting on the stool kind of forces the forces the audience to like go to you a little bit like lean into you whereas so i started doing that for the same reason because i go the reactionary difference from the audience from me looming over them and being like is it you're have you ever stuck this guy's dick in the car like seems more like they're like whoa versus

sitting down like almost like with your back thing like you've blown this guy in the car like seems more like they're like whoa versus sitting down like almost like with your back thing like you've blown this guy in the car before yeah and they're kind of like yeah you know it's like it's like more of an ingratiating like it's just like it's not like uh i said like a big presence of a big guy it sounds like you're bullying them you know i mean why don't you fuck this guy tonight if you buy a bottle of your drinks fine fine yeah okay all right yeah but this way feels more like you're uh, it's like voyeuristic almost where you're, you're, you're like,

you're, you're seeing it and then giving it, giving your peace of mind about it. And then they can choose to be like, well, that's, I'm not just cause I bought it. Then they get the opportunity to kind of have an equal hand.

Yeah. We're all sitting. Well, cause already on stage, whenever people talk to people, it's already, it already feels looming. You're above them.

You're louder than them. There's all these elements of communication that already are, are intimidating. So when you're sitting, it, it does do a trick to people a little bit. That's like, no, I'm invited. I'm not going to fucking attack you. I'm sitting. I can't punch you. I'm sitting.

Oh, he's just asking a crazy question. It's just like being on the bus. And also like asking with the tone. I mean, exactly the same thing of like, you know, have you ever jammed your boyfriend's ass before? You know, the answer, it's like the fact that they'll answer that

with like, no, no, I never have. You think it's in a world where like, I'm blown away almost when you ask them. They go, excuse me? Don't ask me that about my husband. But it's not, generally it's like, even if it's like a no, they're like,

no, no, I never have. You know, we haven't really talked about it. We've done a lot of stuff, but like never put a hand up. Never played,

never did a hand. That wasn't our thing. Are you, when you tour and you're doing, like you're, you're doing a ton of crowd work. What do you think is the difference in pure material versus crowd work time-wise when you're on the road? Like, are you dedicating?

Well, now it's like, so I've just never, whatever reason, man, whenever I've sat down and done, I do envy this. I remember here, like a Bargatze or something like that when we were younger, like, we'll do a couple hours of writing, Soder even to this day now, he goes, let me get some writing done and then go over here.

Yeah, but I see when he writes, he's just sitting there in the mirror jerking off by himself. But I really can't like, I just know, I may be being a bit hard on myself, but just in my experience, whenever I've sat and been like,

try to do that thing, he goes, all right, let's go. Like smoke a joint, let's write some comedy. When I come out of it and like read it, it ends up being the equivalent of, like, airplane food. It's like, you know, these subways are nutty. I tend to think on the fly much more uniquely, I hope, and also, like, referential and things.

You know what I mean? Like, it moves around, like, a little bit, like, better if I'm kind of thinking kind of thinking quick yeah in the moment i stay on my toes and it keeps me going and that's how i write it's like i'll have the concept i ask somebody a question and just builds into something and i remember a story of mine that correlates to that totally do it like that so it's like you take notes down afterwards no you don't listen back no that was the hardest thing about the pandemic with this particular special. I had to learn it twice because I was doing it and then

three months of nothing. I think it was at least three months, no gigs at all. And then I went back, I remember, to Indianapolis, Helium, and I went on stage. As soon as I walked down the stage and sat down, I was like, I don't remember a one bit.

What is this shit? Something about girl cops. I had a thing about the, you know, it was like. Girl cops? Yeah, and it was like going through that, like trying to relearn it again was kind of a pain in the ass, which I really should like at least, but I don't know. I don't think every comic has this and it's good.

They shouldn't. Watching this and watching this special down to like edit it I just can't I have a hard time with myself oh I hate it what do you mean I hate it

that's the worst is that what my voice sounds like yeah I hate that is that how I sit all the time and then I'm thinking well change this

and I stopped getting into that where I'm like change these angles cause like you're I look like awful I look fat from that I look

and it's so funny like the audience knows exactly what you look like even in the dumbest thing of like if a girl thinks you're attractive she thinks you're attractive if you're not her thing and she just thinks you're funny she just thinks you're funny

in my mind I'm like what if they find out when I sit down from the side like I'm kind of wide front to back I'm a heavy guy they know they already know but in my mind I'm like ah they're you're seeing through my trick right right I'm exposing too much for you guys but it is true that you do get over analytical of like when you when you cut down a special it's a fucking nightmare I it's uh I mean but he got editing I went to that Bert Kreischer roast thing last night. Oh, yeah.

How was it? It was great. They edited it great, but they have to edit it. You know what I mean? I did like, I guess it was like 20 minutes almost. When did you guys shoot that? It was like a couple months ago. Yeah, December.

Yeah. When I did it, I was like, you know, I had all this, and like when the edit comes out and stuff, no matter what, you're just like, I thought I had a couple other great things in there, but not my-huh, not my call, uh-huh, it's fine, but it came out great, they really did.

But that happens all the time, I mean, that's just because I do a lot of, you know, I do the half, it was like 20 minutes, I think I was supposed to do like four or five minutes.

yeah, but it stinks when it happens in like, in TV, TV or film stuff that I do, that, it's agonizing, because you'll go,

mm, the best version of that joke they left out. Like I, they, I just got sent something. I did, I did like this indie movie and they sent me a cut. Yeah,

no, that was good. It was felt like a fucking indie movie. Uh, I just thumbed through it the other day to see like, cause I still didn't fully grasp if it was a remake or not. Yeah. In a way,

it's a loose, it's a loose retelling. It's supposed to be kind of like the new generation's version of the thing, you know, and, yeah, it's tough. They did the dance scene, which is the one that bummed me out because I was like, you're either going to make this, these are dancer kids, or having a dance scene in the middle of it just to nod the kid and play was weird.

It was like, what's funny about it was, like, the original for people that grew up with it was so like iconic and i think part of the part of the reason it was iconic was because those two cats were actually friends and were performers together and it would be like you and one of your best friends doing a thing yeah so now it was casted and those two dudes are both good actors in their own right that doesn't matter the point is there was no pre-existing relationship that bonded them off camera

that's what made Kid and Play so fucking good doing a few movies together yeah but that's who they were in real life so it was kind of like art was imitating life and in this form it's art imitating art which was like that's it gets it gets so subversive you're like what are we that's why you were like

am i watching a fucking remake of the thing or is this supposed to be not is it just called house party right it's like a different movie it's nodding to the original but it's not i mean obviously was nodding yeah no totally but it also had this this other subtext to it which was like we're joking about joking about the other movie one of my favorite things in that movie that i didn't understand when i saw it when i was younger was that the the three bad guys are full force they're the in the original are full force which sounds like a rap group's name. Yeah. And then I don't know if you remember that Full Force is like those big, muscular, scary guys.

Yeah. It is the softest R&B music ever. It's like Boyz II Men. Yeah, yeah. It is. It's crazy how soft it is. Those guys were big. There was the big, scary punks coming to beat up Kid N Play.

And they all cried out. Remember that song? That's them. That's Lisa Lisa Colt Jam and Full Force. It's them singing. The song that the big dance happens to in the original, the dance scene with the girls and Kid N Play, that's Full Force.

That was Full Force. That's Full Force also. Yeah, it's such a weird... But again, that's a fun... what a fun time it looked like in rap too. I watched the, was it the Salt-N-Pepa? Salt-N-Pepa documentary? But that documentary, like the movie, they made like a Lifetime.

Lifetime started doing movies of like 80s rappers. Oh, no shit. Which is pretty funny. But the plugging in of making sure you see everybody like in some capacity the way they got through that was uh like salt and pepper you're here at your first ever award show and like the over explanation narrative like you're your first award show come over your green room's over this way or your dressing room's over this way and they walk by and she's like they're like oh hey heavy d and the boys oh look it look, it's MC Hammer and whatever.

As they pass by every door. Just passing by people, yeah. And in the beginning of that movie, I guess it's like a true thing, that it was a Sears call center in Queens, and it's Salt and Pepper worked there together. Kid and Play also worked there together, and Martin Lawrence.

What? Whether this is true or not but this was in the movie it was but again like the over explicit over explicit those lifetime movies are the best because i think pep assault already worked there and then peppa like got the job and she's like girl sit here next to me at this like call center and she goes go on tell me everything about everybody and she's like uh that's uh chris and chris over there they go by kid and play he goes they call themselves kid and play they think they rappers and dancers and that's martin lauren everyone's full name he goes he thinks that's exactly he goes this guy thinks he's a comedian and then he stands up and says something funny crazy martin lawrence but somehow movies, if they weren't like that, you'd be annoyed. You're like, come on, let's talk about Martin Lawrence.

You're not wrong. You do what I say. He goes, are they even going to say that they work with Kid and Play? Right. You need it to exist. And then the guy has like the high top. Oh, they did a Kid and Play. Kid and Play, he's right there.

That era of hip hop was, I mean, I'm biased. And I've, you know. Sure. My fans have heard it enough. But like, it's not that I'm getting old man disease about new hip hop. hip-hop was i mean i'm all i'm biased and i've you know sure my fans have heard it enough but like it's not that i'm getting old man disease about new hip-hop it's just that i cherish it so much i don't dislike new shit how old are you 40 40 yeah yeah hold you 45 yeah so it's just like i don't i just we were probably grew up in a similar gut of it, but it just like, it just doesn't hit me as much.

But the old stuff, I know, I'm also so attached to because it did so much to my life. Like it was so influential. Rolling around in my friend's fucking, you know, Volkswagen Golf, baking it out, listening to fucking De La Soul. It's like it did something because it was such a moment in time. It's not that it was so much better than anything today, because that argument is always bullshit. That is age. That's the thing.

It's like, I don't know what the new sound is that's catching everyone. It's just different. It means something different to you. I used to say this about SNL. It's the same thing. When somebody goes, SNL was better years ago. It goes, yeah, because it's not for you anymore. They didn't make it for me.

They're not making it for guys that are 40 and 45. So just like now, it's like newer music. When somebody goes, that stuff sucks, you're like, they're not making it for guys that are 40 and 45. So just like now, it's like newer music. When somebody goes, that stuff sucks, you're like, they're not making it for you. Because 48 million kids listen to it today. You're not the guy. It ain't you. As your age, I find young people using young slang in like big things is disrespectful. You know what I mean?

So when an SNL sketch has a thing where like one of the young guys comes in, he goes, oh man, last night was lit up at the club. And I'm like, who's this for? Yeah. Who's lit?

I don't talk like that. What's lit? Why does it need to be lit? Yeah. What an interesting time in the, those, whenever house party one came out, the original, came out of like,

this is almost a thing people kind of forget too, because the Salt-N-Pepa kid in play, kind of like friendly rap, I think that evolved into like the De La Soul. The flower power. Kind of like the earthy, kind of like PM Dawn type thing like that. That evolved because it was such a, I remember a year or two in high school where like aaron powers the the half black kid that could

do a split like a dance split and come up and could dance good and everything was like awesome for that and that's the way dancing it's such like a soft it's such a soft activity to be like a thing that makes people like cool and that was kid and plays a whole thing like yeah man these guys can dance mc hammer's whole thing was look at this guy move you could dance and it almost didn't scare your family when you'd see them right what yeah it was easy for white suburban kids to play that in their house because their dad was like that's the guy with the pants yeah exactly and then you show up with like you know and then i came home with uh as nasty as for white suburban kids to play that in their house because their dad was like, that's the guy with the pants? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love the pants. Exactly.

And then you show up with like, and then I came home with as nasty as they want to be, two live crew. So good. And then you're like in trouble. But even just that switch to go to like the Onyxes

and something like that, it became like angry, aggressive, gangster rap, whatever I guess what they chose to call it across the board. That's what the white media chose to call it.

But it's such like good, that switch was weird but i do remember when it was all about wearing like purple and yellow short sets and jumpsuits and like uh like it was very like uh it was the flower power era was very like afrocentric but also like who was like promotional and it was also like communal in a way that was inviting because they'd be like my brown brothers my my white sisters my asian fellas you know i mean it was always like inclusive in this weird way that was like everyone's invited to the soda pop party that's what it felt like well i like my daughter is funny she's 20 now and as she gets as i watch her like get older it's fun to watch like i thought her music was just gonna be like the what i would call horseshit of today right but we do you do have an effect on them you know i mean like my daughter like when she'll put her

ipod on like stuff that i played for a girl you know anything like iron maiden songs or something will pop up and the white stripespes and whatever. She got like into it in some way, but I don't know like Do you guys go to shows together? Yeah, yeah. You do? Yeah, I'll take her. We just went to Rage Against the Machine. Doesn't that feel incredible? Oh, it's so awesome. Like those moments. That's fucking so cool.

And she loves it. Because she's an adult that's like you can show her the thing that you liked as a young adult that you were like, I don't know if you did it, but like for me, it was like, I never did that with my parents. I never shared any of that fucking shit. It's like my parents hated, they were like, where are you? Who are you going to see?

Taking my parents to see Guns N' Roses at MSG a couple of years ago was a pretty cool moment. Cause I, on the way there, he was talking to them. I go, I remember bringing home Appetite for Destruction and you being like, what is this noise? Yeah, exactly. And I was like was like i go now it's considered classic rock and you're like of course we want to go see welcome to the jungle and whatever and i'm like that's only now you can only do that now which is so funny it's like now i can take my parents for stuff that i like now because we're both so grown that they respect you enough yeah when i was young is like

i could have never convinced them to never they would have never come along to a thing no they would have never thought about even doing it but they put me in fucking they put me in jail for fucking smoking weed and now my mom has had edibles it's just like remember when you used to fucking yell at me about this shit and they're like different it's different time now yeah yeah no shit yeah they um yeah my parents were my parents never really did they weren't like they smoked my parents never really did, they weren't like, they smoked cigarettes, they weren't drinkers, they weren't pot people at all.

Yeah. They both worked in a hospital, so like, you really couldn't. And, but yeah, alcohol was never a thing. I never drank underage at all,

really, it's so weird. Never partied. I don't have any of those, like, yeah, going to the woods things and stuff. I would like try to go to the party

and then just like, you know, walk around. But I thought pot, my dad was sort of deadbeat when I was younger. So I always equated that with that he smoked pot. Pot was deadbeat too. He was like a pothead guy. So I was like, yeah, that's what losers do.

Look at you now. And then I got it and I was like, oh no, it's pretty great. You know what? The old man was right. This is better than raising a child. That's what I used to say. My dad went to jail for coke, and I was like, you were a kid, and you're like, who would leave a family for coke? And then you do coke, and you're like, I guess this all adds up.

Yeah. Kurt Metzger used to have a bit about that. It was like when someone's addicted to uh heroin those intervention shows i hope i'm not massacring it too much but it was just like when they go i don't understand it like he had a family he had a wife who loves him and kids and i was like why why would he turn his life over to just doing heroin and he goes and i always want to tell them, like, you're so close to the answer. It's that heroin is better than all those things. It's just the truth. He goes, heroin is just better than that.

Burping a baby and getting spit up and then they're crying all night is better than just sinking away into a Led Zeppelin album. to a Led Zeppelin album. It's true that it's sad that you're like, all these responsibilities, I get completely why young parents are like, I think I'm going to party away and not pay attention. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. My dad was 22 or 23 when he left.

And he went to Florida, and then he came back and married some other lady like an hour away. In Philly? Like outside of Philly. Okay. We were in Philly, and he moved like back and married some other lady like an hour away. In Philly? Like outside of Philly. Okay. We were in Philly and he moved like outside of it with this lady. Respectfully. He's like, I'll come close.

We'll be right there. I'll be near you guys. Yeah. I'll be near you. Yeah. Don't complain that much. I probably won't show up often. I'm not too far.

Is he alive? Yeah. You talked to him? Yeah. You're good now. Yeah. It's like, we're good because I, but I did have to completely like fold to the idea that like he's never going to quite get it.

He's not going to apologize for the way he was ever and he's going to go. And I could acknowledge that I'm like, he's a charming guy. What's fun now is like discovering, you know, I took such at face value so many things he would tell me when I was younger because it also takes a while me and Soda were talking about this a lot when the dad leaves, his dad same thing, both named Gary our dads both left in the same way

we're kind of deadbeats and in that way but like when I was younger like it was almost like he was the coolest for, almost for that, for not showing up, he goes, dad can't show up. He's probably getting pussy or kicking someone's ass,

you know? And, and it's been funny, like re saying things like the new perspective on things. You get older and you've been saying your whole life and then it changes, you know? And my dad was like, I thought he was fucking cool.

And then in hindsight, now when you watch it, he goes, no, he was like a bum. I'm like, this guy fucking rules. And he would tell me these stories that are just definitely, it was. So I sit here at 45 sometimes going like, you know what? He probably did get kicked out of the Navy for smoking pot. I don't think it was because he got caught smoking pot with David Bowie on a stoop in France. Do you know what I mean?

It's like, that's probably not true. He probably did have an argument with that guy in a drive-thru that one time, but I don't think he pulled his door off by the hinges. I was like, my dad was actually pretty good at playing pool. I don't think he beat Minnesota Fats one time in a dark bar he wandered into. And those were the ones he gave me. But when I was older, younger, I was like, mom, dad can't show up.

He's probably playing in a tournament against Minnesota Fats in pool. And your mom is like. She's like, he didn't show up because he'd rather do something else. You're like, no. No, that can't be it. He's stuck at the tournament. They last so long my you don't get it it is funny how we glorify that we do glorify the my dad being in jail a lot when i was a kid i glorified it like it was cool i used to tell the stories that i would hear from him about getting to a fight with his celly like i thought

that was amazing to be able to tell that to somebody you could imagine letting a child down by going to jail for a couple years like oh that wouldn't be cool uh uh dad's in the joint yeah he can't help but beat the shit out of a guard try to grab his dick you know they do weird shit like that in there man

they're probably gonna stack some more time on there because he kicks so much ass but you wanted it to be true I can't get out I kick too much ass inside of here. Love ya. It is funny you glorify the tragedy. I seriously was the kid that waited on the stupid. He didn't show up.

I was one of those kids. Me too. Legitimately, like, would be outside, and his car never came. Kurt Metzger would, like, when we first met, and I would tell him that story, he just always laughed at that, only because he had his own screwy family, Kurt. But he would just get a picture in my head, and I would go, my story, he just always laughed at that only because he had his own screwy family, Kurt. But he said he would just get a picture in my head and I would go, you're not wrong of me. So my mom was young too.

And like, so my grandparents took care of me a lot. So it'd be on their stoop. Right. I'd be like- That sounds right. Outside in Philly waiting for my dad to come. They were my grandparents. My grandmother just passed away and my grandfather passed away when I was 10, but they were such

good fill-in for like what I needed in that regard. Yeah. Like, what do you call that? Some kind of normalcy, you know what I mean? Yeah. My mom was broken, but they would sit there. They knew he wasn't coming, and I'd be out there, and like Kurt just says, I have everything for a father's weekend.

It's like a tent on my back and a Hulkamania finger and like a Six Flags weekend. It's like a tent on my back and a Hulkamania finger and like a six flags thing. He's so right. It was almost like, and I remember the game was, you know, it was like a T, the top of the street. And so I'd be on my street and the cars were either coming from left or right at the top street. And you just see, you know, you see some cars start lighting up and you're like, this here

is probably him. And then it's like goes by. You're like, okay. Maybe he got a new car you're like, this here is probably him. And then it goes by. You're like, OK. Maybe he got a new car. He goes, here it is, this one. And this would never. Grandparents come out and be like. It's also hilarious.

Like, they were. Your meatloaf's getting cold. They were also facilitating the fatness in me, though, too. Because it was just like, hey, don't worry. Come inside. You want an entire pizza for yourself i do i do i'm gonna drown this in pizza it is true that that that image is real of you waiting for someone that didn't show up and then you made all sorts of fucking bullshit excuses you were

like for them i bet you i bet you his car broke down because it's broken down before so I bet you it broke down oh yeah well my mom man my mom would tell me these stories it's so funny she's not mad she was just like

you didn't know but it was like the manipulation of like your parents talking to you in different households and I remember my mom said one time we were broke and she knew that I like

felt that in some way that we were broke but I think when my mom goes uh my mom goes hey i'm just letting you know this because like i don't want you to hear it in a different way but i'm going to take your dad like where i'm going to file things so he has to pay child support he doesn't pay it and we got to like garnish his garnish wages yeah garnish his wages on his check. I just want you to know that so you don't hear it a different way. It's not a fight.

It's not whatever. It's going to make sure he sends what he needs to send. My mom tells me, and I remember this, she goes, Mom, Dad's got a $1,000 furniture bill he's got to pay. I was giving her, like, hey, don't do that to him. He's got an expensive bill to pay. She goes, we eat spaghetti five nights a week. Yeah, yeah.

Without sauce, like butter and Parmesan cheese. Yeah. So it's so funny. She's like, why are you protecting this guy? Right. Oh, no. But he's got the furniture bill. Yeah, he's got this furniture bill going on.

He lives in Ohio. His couches and stuff. What are you going to do? He lives in Ohio. Trying to help the guy out, ma. That is funny. Did you not love this guy at one time? Do you need to hurt him like this?

I don't think we ever. My mom talked about that. We never got. She never asked for it. Because she refused to. That was such vitriol. Like there was so much. Where's those days?

Why does my ex want it so bad? Yeah, it was so much hate. My ex really wants that child support. She was so much negativity. She refused to ask. She didn't. I think it was also, that's like a pride thing, too. My mother has that.

I think it's a time thing, too. It's a, my ex-wife's, like, mother never asked the father for anything. Nothing, yeah. Like, my mom, like, eventually just, like, garnished his way. But it was, again, it was like, when you hear you hear the numbers especially you're like damn man like my mom asked it was like a hundred and like 50 or like 200 a month that's it something crazy it was just nothing yeah but i mean that's that was the other thing i think my mom used to say like well it's too much time i don't have time to go to court i have to work a full-time job so i don't want to go through all that shit. And also, I don't even know what I'm getting.

You know, my dad didn't have, it's not like he was like. Is it worth anything? Yeah, it's not like he was like, oh, I'm making fun, I'm showing up in a Corvette. You know what I mean? Like, it was in the cut list with cloth seats. So it was like, I think she also knew, what was I going to, what was the win situation?

Yeah. And for her, it was like this ego thing where she's like, well, I'll just do it without you just to like, have more, not over you, but have more complete independence being like,

fuck you. I'll drown. And we did. And as the life goes, like on the two, you kind of go, it's like, my mom was a strong,

it all means your mom was a strong woman and your dad was a dump of shit. I didn't give a fuck. That's the name of my next tour. Strong, strong female influence. Dad dump of shit.

That's the, that's the one. my next tour strong strong female influence dead shit yeah that's that's the one um dude thank you for coming uh please everyone right now because you can go right now when this is out it'll be out on youtube uh please go watch the special i didn't even get into this let's do it real fast though why uh you you wanted youtube you didn't want to give it to another another platform no i mean the reality is i i I was certain this was going to be on Netflix. Because you've been in bed with those guys already. Yeah, I know Robbie. They did The Degenerates. They kind of told me The Degenerates was the path to The Hour.

Sure. And I love Robbie over there. This is no dig on him. I think he was in an unwinnable position. I was supposed to go out there and like we're supposed to come out here to la in like april of 2020 uh and here we are it for like uh netflix and hbo max i think we're gonna come watch and then of course that got canceled and everything and then just in the time of like waiting all this stuff, what are we going to do next?

Me too. Black Lives Matter happened, and it just kind of came. Stop Asian hate. That was a big one for you. Yeah. In so many, without saying it outwardly, everyone was just kind of like, I don't know, you're sort of an unknown straight white guy.

It's just not really the time. We have to have to make sure we get some of my quotas in here first. Yeah. And so they didn't say no. We're just going to be like, hey, man, that's going to be, like, pushed down the road and stuff. So I was a little defeated by that. And then Dave Attell was like, why don't you just do it at your festival? And I'm like, yeah, that's a good idea.

And I was like, self-produce. And then Ari Shafir executive produced it. And, I mean, self-produce. And then Ari Shaffir, executive produced it. And I mean, he executive produced it. I didn't know anything. When I accepted the idea that I'm like, all right, I'm going to self-produce this. And I was like, I guess I got to line up now like 150 interviews to get these,

whatever people, I thought I had to personally get like a guy holding the microphone. The gaffer and everything. And then get all the equipment also. That was our first conversation. He goes, I don't know. He's like, you hire a producer and the producer has

their team and they do it. And I go, oh, that's better. I'm like, yeah, that's better. I don't have to hold any of the cameras. Yeah, dude, we got you. I don't have to go behind and go like, are these cords plugged in? But I think the revolution is here with that, and I think it's – the reason I ask, it's not in a negative way. It's a great move because everyone that's doing it now, it's proving that it's direct to not only just your audience, but it's opening up to them, sharing it easily without any sort of hiccup. It's simple.

Everybody knows it now. sort of hiccup it's simple everybody knows it now it's almost it's it's you know there's a flood right now of it too but that's sort of the thing like uh it's sort of a useless platform if you have nothing like there's no way to attach it to anything you know i mean like yeah i have like a bit of an audience so it's like i'm trusting my audience to really like shoot it out there and spread well they will, which the thing that the people are just like, yeah, just did it,

record it, throw it up on YouTube. Like, I don't know if it's a good idea. Like, right, right, right. You have to also,

because seeing the numbers as well, I don't know if eight people saw my comedy central special or if, you know, the 20, 2000 people saw the degenerates. I have no idea. This is going to be hard to like, it's definitive, but it's also going to be hard to go back. Everything goes only four more people in the degenerates. I have no idea. This is going to be hard to like, it's definitive,

but it's also going to be hard to go back. Everything goes only four more people in the last hour. Huh? Okay. I guess this thing sucks, but don't try yourself nuts. Cause it's, well,

cause it's going to be good. Cause you know, you look at some of the other people in our, in our world that, you know, Ari's, I went and saw the taping of, I was at that,

uh, Jew. Yeah. Um, which I yelled so many times during the show cut out but like him and you know Shane I mean you know these guys that are getting millions and millions of views it was proof that it was like nah just cultivate it let the audience have it you know like let your fans do the thing let people that know comedy and love comedy get

involved through the the system and the the algorithm and I think it's great because honestly the unknown sucked when I did the Comedy Central stuff, it sucked, and you never knew. Netflix was the only time I did this special that they give you the number, they call you, and they do, like, a 15-day and a 28-day breakdown or whatever, and it's nice to know, but you don't get much.

They give you, like, a nugget of... And there's no engagement. Nothing. What's kind of neat about YouTube, too, is there's immediate engagement happening under the video. It's happening live. That's awesome. And it's happening kind of like incestuously might not be the right word, but it is like inside of itself. The engagement of the engagement of people talking about it to other people and then using it for other stuff.

It's really wild how the world works like that. On YouTube, it's good. I'm excited for you, dude. Go watch it right now on YouTube. Please go watch it. Also, if you're on tour, are you touring around a little bit right now? Yeah, yeah. What's your website?

BigJComedy.com for all my dates. Yeah, I'm nonstop on the road. Go to BigJComedy.com, but watch the YouTube special right now. We'll also put it in the link in the description below so you can see it. We end the episode the same way. Look in that camera right there. You say one word or one the link in the description below so you can see it. We end the episode the same way. Look in that camera right there. You say one word or one phrase to end the episode

for the rest of time when you're ready. One word or one phrase. Go ahead. Calm. In here, we pour whisk, whisk,

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