Whiskey Ginger with Andrew Santino - Charlie Day & Rob McElhenney

Episode Date: July 30, 2021

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What up, Whiskey Ginger fans? Welcome back to the show. We got a good one for you today, like my man Steve Harvey say. Rob McElhaney and Charlie Day. I'm rhyming. I'm gonna continue to rhyme on this show the entire time I'm on this show, yo. These two dudes are so great, man. I'm so happy to have them with me. Always Sunny in Philadelphia. What an incredible show that will span for 18 seasons, maybe more. Who knows? They're the best. I'm glad they did it. And also,

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Enough yammering on from me Let's go to the episode In here, we pour whiskey whiskey whiskey Oh, gingers are hell no. This whiskey is excellent. Ginger. I like gingers. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Whiskey Ginger. My guest today, one of my favorite people on earth. I say that for all my guests, but I mean it once again today. It is Charlie Day and Rob McElhaney.

Thanks for coming to the show. Thanks, man. Thank you for being here. You did say one of your favorite people on earth, so now you don't even have to pick. No, one of you is. I think you're well aware of which one it is. Flip a coin. Flip a coin. I know who it is. Who don't even have to pick. No, one of you is. I think you're well aware of which one it is. Flip a coin. Flip a coin.

I know who it is. Who is it, guys? Glenn. I'm going to say it's LeBron James. It's Caitlyn. Oh, it's Caitlyn. Well, yeah. It is.

That's very true, and I can't lie to you guys. I like neither of you more than the other. I like one of you more than the other, but I can't. We won't. Thanks for coming, guys. It's good to be here. It's good to see Charlie, I'll tell you that much. Yeah, you guys don't see each other a lot.

When was the last time we saw each other? Yeah, how much? Was it? It was not. It was yesterday. It was not 15 hours, right? Was it that many hours? No, 13 hours, maybe.

Oh, yeah, yeah. A go. Half a day. Is your friendship severed because of the show? No. No, actually, that's the craziest thing about our show. Any of your friendships are severed at all?

No. No, I don't think so. Really? Yeah. I'm still married to one of them. He's still married to one of them. Yeah. But there is no, like... There's definitely, like, I think maybe at the end of the season, we're like, alright, let's just take a little break and, you know, but...

But then we take breaks and then we hang out. We play golf together. Yeah, Rob and I hang. And I don't hang with Glenn enough, but I love hanging out with Glenn. We live on different parts of the city. I think that's the one thing. Yeah, we're spread out. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't know why that should happen. I think we like different things. What do you like? Rob likes snooty, rich people. He likes trying to reinvent himself as a sort of greater than human being, right? Is that what you're aiming at? Yeah, if you could just put my address out on the podcast, that'd be great. 1420. Guys, look

right down here below. Charlie has a 360 degree panoramic view of the entire city. Very nice view. Downtown LA. You live above the Staples Center. I can see downtown LA when it's clear. I can see the ocean. I can see the Hollywood sign. I can see the Griff Park Observatory.A. You live above the Staples Center. I can see downtown L.A. When it's clear, I can see the ocean. I can see the Hollywood sign. It's in Griff Park Observatory.

Wow. He can look down upon everybody. Yeah. He's never tried to make it. I live in the lows. I live in the lows. See, that's real risky. The dips.

I live in the dips. Yeah. How high is your gate? We don't have a gate. Yeah, that's your problem. Yeah, we can't afford a gate. That's your problem. How do you keep the riffraff out?

I stand out front all night with a broom. Oh, that works too. And I wave people away. Yeah, that's your problem. Yeah, we can't afford a gate. That's your problem. How do you keep the riffraff out? I stand out front all night with a broom. Oh, that works too. And I wave people away. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But how much do you pay your security? 60 bucks a day. Yeah.

Yeah, it's not bad. Ooh. That's not bad. Yeah. That's a little tight. Is it? Yeah, it's tight. Should I increase the budget?

You gotta pay me. Here's how I know where I'm at. Think about the broom waving alone. Well, it's getting, this is getting a lot stronger because the broom. I usually only use the right hand with the broom. You're going to want to switch that up. No. Righties. I'm a righty only, baby.

I want this arm to be limp and thin and this one to be fucking jacked. That's what I want. That's good for the game. That's kind of good. Go for a unique look. You know what I mean? Be like, he's that one actor with the thick arm and the thin arm. Oh, thick arm, thin arm.

That guy's good. Yeah, he's great. This is how I know where I am in Hollywood is that people still walk outside of my house on Monday night to collect cans out of my recycling. I'm there still. No, that doesn't go away. I don't think that goes away anyway. That doesn't go away.

Really? Yeah, yeah. If you're up in a hill, they can't get to you? No, my cans are out on the street. In the hills? Yeah, they wander up the hills. That's bold to push a cart up a hill. People need money, man.

Yeah, well, give them some then. Fuck that. Wow. That's my favorite. Hey, I want to help the homeless. Not now. Not right now I don't want to help them at all. Every single one, I'll be bankrupt in a week.

Really? Yeah, actually true, because I went past the west side the other day. I went to Brentwood and by the VA. Yeah, actually true, because I went past the west side the other day. I went to Brentwood and by the VA. Yeah, it's crazy. It's just tents all along the, what, Wilshire and whatever. And then actually on the grounds of the VA now.

Everywhere. But it's totally legal, right? They have to leave them there because they can, they call, it's like, I don't even know what the term is. It's sanctuary, but they have to leave them there. It's a very well-known problem in the city of Los Angeles, and we're throwing lots of money at it. And I'm sure, you know,

let's get down to the business. Let's get down to the brass tacks. I think we can solve homelessness in this podcast. We can. Right? Charlie, now, what information do you have on this? What do the Japanese do? Because, have you been to Japan? They kill them. I'm not kidding, they kill them.

And they'll tell you. Really? Oh yeah, they'll tell you right to your face. They'll make you a highball and go, we killed them. That's brutal.

14-12 please. That is brutal. Yeah. No, Japan is remarkably, shockingly clean. I do think they hide them somewhere. I do think they take them

off the street. What happened in New York, right, like in the 90s, but well before I got there. I remember just hearing about there was a massive homeless problem, and then certainly very specifically in Times Square. And then by the time I arrived sometime in the late 90s or early 2000s when Giuliani was mayor, they were just gone. People were like, well, what happened?

Well, the problem didn't disappear. They just got pushed out. Rudy the magician, as they call him. He ground them up and made them into bad hair dye. It's gonna run under the lights, but otherwise. Watching him shake and the hair dye slowly drip down was so computerized. It's almost like somebody programmed that

and it's like, and the drip happens now? And it's like, slowly moving down his head. Ah, the Giuliani body's melting. It's melting. Move it out of the lights. Move it out of the lights. All right,

pull in the other one. Has anybody had a more precipitous fall than Giuliani? Than Giuliani? I mean, for the love of God. I would say, OJ Simpson.

Well, I mean, I guess I meant in politics. Yeah, sure. I guess I meant in politics. What was the mayor, what was the crack-smoking mayor? What was his name? Was that right? In D.C. Mayor Barry? mayor, what was the crack-smoking mayor, what was his name? Was that right?

In D.C. Mayor Barry. He got re-elected. I know, but that's, well, and then died from an overdose, right? Well, sure. Well, okay, that's a pretty big fall. I tried to warn you. Yeah.

I think that's a pretty big fall. Also, the most famous. Well, yes, you can make the argument that JFK had a pretty tough fall, too. I'm just saying from Giuliani's perspective Who was so well loved Like universally loved To now revile

We just went to Dallas and my friend Chris and I We stood on the X You can go stand on the X Where JFK was shot and you can look up at the Infirmary? Book depository Book depository And uh I'm not making a joke but I am where JFK was shot, and you can look up at the infirmary? Book depository. Book depository. Yeah. And I'm not making a joke, but I am.

Really good shot. I mean, the accuracy was insane. That's the whole thing. People are like, there's no way. I'm like, but maybe he's just a good shot. What about this fact that we've all accepted? What's a book depository? I never thought about it.

Yeah, the Children's Texas Book. What's a deposit? You're depositing your books there? Yeah, you have to deposit your books in Texas. Nope, and it can't be reading here, boy. Go deposit that. I saw you get that book. Go put that away.

Deposit that up there, man, because there's a whole lot of... It's not piss off Texas, man. Takes it and burns it. No, I love Texas. We're all going to be moving there at some point, so we should embrace it. Half of the comedy community took their money and ran to Texas. Yeah. Why?

Oh. Taxes. Taxes. Taxes. A big tax shelter, but also I think there's this idea. Texas throws around, and I do love Texas. I fucking love Texas. I do too.

They throw around the word freedom, though, a lot of times, where they're like, more freedom. It's like, I don't think anywhere is more free than any state in the United States, but I think you get to have more of your money is really what it is. They don't take as much from you. That's awesome. Yeah, let's go. I don't know what we're doing here. Yeah, what are we doing?

Come on. I like the weather here. Yeah. But the fires are tough. I don't like to be landlocked. I like to be near an ocean. But you're not anywhere near the ocean are tough. I don't like to be landlocked. I'm not a, you know, I like to be near an ocean. But you're not anywhere near the ocean. No.

He went and got himself as landlocked as possible. No, I could drive the ocean in 30 minutes. 45, 55. In the middle of the night. During a pandemic, I'm there, no problem. That was what I said when someone's like, you must love living in L.A. You get to be near the beach.

We go once every four years. With your complexion, Santino, you shouldn't be going anywhere near it. Look who's talking. You're not olive skin. I wear a ton of sunscreen. You've seen how often I wear a lot. When we go out, it's all day long. You don't put on sunscreen once.

No, I do. I'm slathered in it. Are you really? Yeah. Because he lubes up three, four times. Oh, you mean while we play a round of golf? Yeah. No, but only because I'm dumb. Like, dumb and lazy. You up three, four times. Oh, you mean while we play a round of golf? Yeah. No, but only because I'm dumb.

Like, dumb and lazy. You're cool to get burnt. Yeah, yeah. And I'll get home and I'll... You are Italian. Yeah, I do have part Italian, so that helps. But three white guys from places with weather that we come from, it's just that you're never going to not burn.

I'm going to burn the rest of my life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I lived in Arizona for five years. Oh, Christ. Sad. I was burnt most of my college. I mean, that's my... Sure.

That's my... I mean, even the lizards are hiding under rocks. Yeah. What am I doing? What are you doing? I went from car to house, car to house. And they would shelter me, and they would put blankets over me,

and I'd walk in somewhere, and I'd be okay again. But it was, honestly, I do, that's the only fear of cancer I have. I don't have a fear of cancer. One in three are going to get it. That's what they say. The only one is that one. I'm not afraid of, like, you know, colon, or all that other shit.

Skin, for sure. I know I'm getting it, and I just have to accept it. And I'm like, I guess that's the best. I'm going to say based on just the diet I see around the room, you're going to get prostate cancer. You think so? Yeah. Okay.

But I'm going to suggest that maybe it doesn't happen until you're 80s anyway. Fine. Who cares? Then I'm already dead. Fine. Then I'm already dead. I brought these in for you guys because I know that these are just for you, Rob, because you're on a strict diet, so I'd like to see you eat as many of these.

You don't have to eat any, but you should. You know, I haven't eaten a donut in quite a while. I know, that's why I'm leaving it there. I don't have a sweet tooth. Your funniest season, you ate nothing but donuts. It was all donuts. You think that was the funniest season? I ate a donut.

You should have a donut. Yeah, it's worth it. The reason I brought these in is because on the plane, I watched a thing called the Donut King documentary about how 95% of the donut shops in L.A. are run by Cambodian families or used to be refugees. And then this guy, the Donut King, not to give away the documentary, but he moved here, worked on the Winchell's program, learned about it, opened up his own shops, and then became the most successful purveyor of donuts in Los Angeles.

What do you do is you buy a shop, get a Cambodian family over here, have them run it, you know, give them percentages. And they popped up all over Southern California. That's why, like, in Southern California, you can find literally 10 donut shops within a square mile. And it was almost all exclusively Cambodian famous at one time. Now it's, you know. So it's one parent company that owns a bunch of independent stores

that aren't, there's no like branding about it. They're just named differently. It used to be called Christie's Donuts. Christie's? Yeah, I know Christie's. That was him.

That was him. Oh. Yeah, that was him. And then it became Donut King. Well, maybe I'm thinking of Krispy Kreme. Yeah.

Maybe I don't know. That's a completely different thing. Why is there always like, that's like a hangout for sort of unsavory element. That's why I love it. Yeah, but why? Like why like.

Why a donut shop? Yeah. Because they have everything. They have like a ham, egg, and cheese. They have cake. They have coffee. Coffee. It's the coffee.

Coffee. You can come in and sit and drink a cup of coffee for three hours. Yeah. For $1.65. Yeah. And they'll keep filling you up with that burnt coffee. Mm-hmm. And that woman comes out with a limp. And they haven't cleaned the pot in forever.

Why would they? Coffee's just going right back in there. It's like making your bed. I'm going right back in there in a couple hours. Yeah. I like that mentality. I don't need to. Why fix it up?

It's going to get nasty again. How often do you wash your sheets? Me, personally? How often does a person wash their sheets wash their sheets? Yeah. Do you know where the washing machine is in your house? Do you have a washing machine? Or is it all

There's gotta be one in there somewhere There's so many rooms There's gotta be a machine No, I do I wash I do the chores sometimes Liar This is such a bad liar

But I wash my own shit You know You don't wash your family's shit? No Wow I'm like You have a human that washes for you You have a I have What a bad life. But I wash my own shit, you know? You don't wash your family's shit? No. Wow. You have a human that washes for you? You have a house helper? I have a woman who will come to our house once a week.

Yeah. And be there for a few hours and help out. And wash her clothes. Help out by what? By washing and cleaning. Yeah, I like. No, no, everyone has that service. But the washing of the clothes I'm weary of.

I don't want someone washing my stuff. No, I wash my own clothes most of the cleaning. Yeah, I like. No, no, no. Everyone has that service. But the washing of the clothes I'm weary of. I don't want someone washing my stuff. No, I wash my own clothes most of the time. Yeah. Every now and then she'll grab the laundry basket and be like, oh shit, you washed my clothes. And I love it. You do? Yes.

Because it's with care. Because she's better at it than I am. Well, how can you fuck it up? You just throw it in and it does it. Not a good folder. Folding. Well, that's the thing. The washing is the easy part. You throw it in a it does it. Not a good folder. Folding. Well, that's the thing. The washing is the easy part.

You throw it in a machine, you hit start. That's easy, but I'm not great at folding. I'll shrink a shirt. I'm bad at it. I'll shrink a shirt would have been the next. It should be your autobiography. I'll shrink a shirt. I'll shrink a shirt.

By Charlie Day. I shrink most stuff, but I know that when I buy it. Yeah, yeah. I'll buy it big and go, well, this will get small. There's no doubt. Yeah, because I just don't trust the way I do. If I'm in a hurry and I'm throwing stuff around, I just don't trust it. I'll buy it big and go, well, this will get small. There's no doubt. Interesting. Yeah, because I just don't trust the way I do. If I'm in a hurry and I'm throwing stuff around, I just don't trust it. Yeah, but like, if you

like shrink like a sweater or like a sweatshirt, sometimes the back will get higher than the front. And you'll be Quasimodo. Yeah, and it just won't fit right ever again. No, you're true. No, you're right. Having kids fucked me all up because I was definitely on the path of never having to do that myself ever again.

But then you have kids and you're like, well, I don't want to teach them that somebody else cleans up after you or does your own shit. And so we're like, okay, we'll give them chores

and they got to do their own shit. And then Caitlin was like, yeah, but now we have to do it too because we have to set the example. They can't see dad paying somebody. And I'm like,

maybe that, what's wrong with that message too? Which is like, dad works his ass off to come home and then create a job for somebody else to come in and,

and great. I would guarantee that if you asked either of your kids whether or not someone else was washing their clothes or you guys were,

they'd be like, huh? Someone washes their clothes? No, they, I have no idea. Well, but here's the thing. They do it.

They do wash their own... They fold their own clothes. And these little motherfuckers, the only reason they do it, which is not bad anyway, I guess, it's all incentive-based. That's how they earn their screen time. Oh, screen time payment.

Wow, wow. That's... Now, I did just take the iPads away for the last month, and it's been great. What happened? Well, the incentives go away. That's a problem.

But the first week sucks. But then their brains start to, like, de-scramble. And then they're, like, kind and sweet to each other. And you're like, oh, shit. Like, all of that stuff that you're reading about, how it's all screwing with our heads, it's all true. Of course. And they're now reset. And now somehow we've gotten them

to continue to do the Shores without the incentive. Wow. That's like magic. I guess it worked. You throw an iPad in front of your kid, right? Yeah. Yeah, you're like, here, take it. There's no, it's never going away.

No, it's definitely going away. There's a limited amount of time. Do you put it on the, is it the thing where you can program it, you know, where it shuts off? Have you seen that? Apple has an app that just,

yeah, we're like, you got like a half hour at the end of the day, go nuts. And he obeys it. Yeah, he's good about it.

That's pretty interesting. Yeah, yeah, and we were doing that for years and it was working but then we just found that like it was getting longer

and then they were like going through like 70 games. They wouldn't play one game for like 40 minutes They play 70 games. I'm like what the fuck is going on and it just like I don't know there was something Because there's so many games to be played. It's kind of like if you're scrolling through porn It's so hard to just stay with one video You got to watch one and then go I did see another one when I was scrolling that I kind of like and you hit That one and you go this is not the one and then you find another one. And the next thing you know,

you're watching animal stuff. It's got to start getting weird. Zoom in on Charlie's face right now. No, I'm just thinking that Rob's the dad that doesn't let his kids play video games and makes them fold their own laundry. Your kids are probably going to be better off for it, man. No doubt.

I think it's true. I don't know. Caitlin was raised in a house where like, when I make TV references, because I was just like a feral child, which I know Charlie was too. And I was just able to do whatever the fuck I wanted. And I would watch as much TV as I wanted or whatever. And that's...

Oh, did you want to take that call? No, go ahead and get it. No, you know, it's my ring. That's my security is back. He's wandering around the front of the house. Okay. That's fine. That's fine. Just in case you wanted to take that. Don't do that ring. That's my security is back. He's wandering around the front of the house. Okay. That's fine. That's fine.

Yeah. Just in case you wanted to take that. Don't do that podcast. That's fine. No problem. Some riffraff getting at your cans. Sorry, fellas. Go ahead.

And I watch such a shitload of television. And so when I talk to Caitlin about like references, because we're around the same age, she has no idea what I'm talking about. She didn't watch any. She wasn't allowed to watch any TV. What? She didn't. She wasn't allowed to watch any TV. What? She didn't, she wasn't allowed to like go out and like drink or like hang out with friends in high school really.

Her parents are great, like super wonderful people. Yeah. But they're like uber healthy. She never ate any like, any like shitty foods. Any good stuff. And then she, when she went to college, she went fucking berserk. Yeah. In every way possible.

she went to college, she went fucking berserk. Yeah. In every way possible. But, she did eventually come back around and like kind of instills similar values. But I don't know, maybe you just, it's like that Catholic school thing. My old lady didn't have cable either. They grew up without cable. They grew up out in the country, no cable. I didn't have cable.

You didn't? No. I didn't have cable, no. Wow, so I just, it's one of those, when I talk to her about stuff when I was a kid, shows, I'm blown away. I'm like, how do you know, you don't know what that is? She's like, hmm, I don't know. I mean, her about stuff when I was a kid shows, I'm blown away. I'm like, how do you know? You don't know what that is. She's like, I don't know. I mean, we, I mean, you know, when I was a kid kid, we didn't, we only had, you know, the basics. And then after that, though, she never had any of that stuff.

So it is strange to feel that big difference, but she's still well adjusted. So I'm like, well, maybe this shit was all bad anyway. And it wasn't really worth me spending. I mean, I spent so much time in front of the tv i was obsessed yeah with watching tv and i think maybe now it's i don't know i don't know if when when we have kids maybe i don't know what i'll do with that i feel like i'll be a sucker and be like watch whatever you want i'm i fucking i did it on a constant basis are you gonna leave your kids money no no well this is we we talk about i don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, like,

look, if I, like, drop dead tomorrow, I wouldn't want my kid to be like, and you're broke. You know, like, you're gone and... Could be fun, though. Yeah. Teach him a lesson. I don't know. Two lessons. Two lessons, dude. Life could be snatched from you at any moment, and you're broke. And you're broke.

Start all over, buddy. Yeah. But you know, like, all those old, rich families that we weren't, you know? Yeah. Like, they all just passed their money down and down and... Well, that was... They're all fucked up. That really was the old standard of, like... They're all fucked...

Not everybody. All the poor people are fucked up, too. Everybody's fucked up. Absolutely. Everyone's fucked up. They'd rather be fucked up and rich. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, it's more fun.

That's fair. It's more fun if you... I think I don't want to leave my kids any money, whatever I have. No, you want your kid to go out there and. And kind of fail. And yeah, fail and make it on their own. The richest guy that I know, by far,

his son and I went to school together and he doesn't, he, you, I never knew who, what his dad was until I met his dad and then we'd spoken I was like, holy fucking shit your dad. I mean, it's it's insane, but he never lived that way You never saw that, you know, he drew always drove an old car He never he was never there was nothing about him that exuded like oh I came from wealth And I think that was on purpose and I always appreciated that for some reason

I was like, that's the way to do it make him go get it and work for it Now he does great on his own. But I just think that seems to be the way. Because if you give them stuff, everyone that I know who's been given all of it, I don't know. They don't give a shit. Well, there's a difference between giving somebody everything that they need but not everything that they want. Yeah. And that's kind of the way we're doing it.

Especially if you have children and they're 10 and 9 years old, you have to give them everything they need. And then I think there are ways in which you can incentivize them to get what they want, and then Christmas comes around. You could always make them sew their own clothes, though. You could really make them go for it. Make them make their own meals, sew their own clothes, sleep outside. Yeah. Make them grow.

That's going to create a psychopath. And then what happens? Then they become successful. I'm trying. See? psychopath and then what happens then they become successful see it's pretty you know it's there's no there's no science to it you never know what's gonna happen you never you really don't are you a musical genius no you are though i'm not not i'm okay at music like i can fiddle around on a lot of instruments and i can i can, like, a catchy melody. But, like, my left hand does not work.

Like, on the piano, it's like I can do one note at a time on the left hand. I'm, like, okay on guitar, but, like, someone who, like, plays guitar can be like, which I can't do. Can't read music. You know, I could, but I lost it all. You can just freestyle music. You can just improv all of it. Yeah, but certain, I'm like, anyone who, like, plays know, I could, but I lost it all. You can just freestyle music. You can just improv all of it. I can, yeah, but certain, I'm like, anyone

who, like, plays guitar, plays piano will be like, yeah, I'm just playing the same shit over and over and over again for years. And, like, variations on that. So, no, I feel pretty limited. But you're definitely a musician. Yeah. Yeah, I can play music. When you played The Keys, that clip

popped up for me literally in my YouTube annoyingly the other day. Because I don't like seeing clips of you guys from your show. And it popped up and I watched you playing the piano or the keyboard. And it was impressive because I was like, oh, that's, I can tell you're just fucking off. But it's good fucking off. But that's as good as it gets, what you heard right there. That's good though. Yeah, yeah, that's me, that's peak me, you? Like, I don't, there's not better than that.

But for me, it was like, don't take offense to this. It was almost like when someone goes, when you go to, like, a pickup game for basketball, and you see the guy who you're like, that guy can't play basketball. And then he shoots, and you're like, oh, he can play basketball. Really fucking well.

Well, it almost seems unfair, because you're like, this guy's already the funniest dude in the room, so he can't have this other talent. It depends on what room. It does. It depends on what room. It depends on what room. It does depend on what room.

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We usually drink on the show, but it's a little early for that. Why are you done drinking? Well. You had an incident? No, I'm just tired of it. You're just sick of the... Sick of the routine. Yeah. It's all good.

I want to be a better me. Yeah, I guess that's true. And see, that's the thing. I can be strict. Like, I cannot eat that donut. And I can eat really healthy. Like, I can have a salad for lunch. And I can...

And then... But no matter what, I'm drinking that Manhattan every night. See? That's what I like. That's what I like. But I can, and then, and then no, but no matter what, I'm drinking that Manhattan every night. See, that's what I like. That's what I like. But I can't stop. But I've been doing that. Yeah, you're an alcoholic.

I've been doing that longer than you had. You've only, you're only recently like doing the Manhattan every night and I'd been doing it for like a good 20 years and I was like, all right, it's time for a break. Fuck this shit. And you get up at five and you work out. And I won't do that and drink at the same time. I'm like, no, I'm either like having drinks and hanging out. Yeah.

Or I'm exercising. That was always my justification. Yeah. If I could work out, then I can have fun. Yeah. I can't do both. I do understand that. I do understand the wanting to break the cycle of like, I, I truly do oftentimes feel like I'm,

I'm creating a scenario in which I can drink at the end of the day. And so there is an obsessive, there's an obsession problem there, right? Where I'm like, oh, well I won't eat that because I, because tonight I'm going to do that. And I'd rather do that. Yeah. I do that too. I think everyone does that. You compartmentalize what's going to take place for the other thing. We ate salad for dinner last night, and I was miserable. It was like a small, tiny salad. Then I went out and did shows. On the way home, like clockwork, I was thinking about texting her, and she texted me, and she goes, I'm starving.

I was like, I'm starving. I'm absolutely starving. But part of the game, as you become an adult, you're like, I guess I just have to sacrifice shit sometimes. To stay, yeah. To stay alive. Alive. And healthy and sound good.

Both mentally and physically. You were cooler to me when you were really fat. Yeah, I get that a lot. I miss you fat. Yeah. Charlie says it. I mean, almost, he just said it earlier.

I didn't even know you fat. I only met you as you now. And you look delicious. I took a picture of the GQ magazine or whatever when I was in the airport. This guy.

Was it GQ? I was on the cover of a few magazines this year. Oh my God. What was it? Men's Health, I think. Men's Health, that's what it was.

I liked it. I bought it. You did? I didn't buy it. No, I didn't think you would. Why would I buy that? Do they still sell them? Airports, baby.

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There's no doubt. Yeah. And I walked up and I saw his chiseled body and all I wanted was trail mix, but I was fixated on your body by the trail mix, so I had to send you a photo of it. And you got it, but did you get the trail mix? Of course I did. Now, did you get it with the ones with the M&Ms in it? Of course I did.

And did you go for the M&Ms first? Of course I did. Rob, did you work out today? No. No. I was up very early today, but I was writing. I didn't, I was writing. You write first thing in the morning?

First thing in the morning. Holy shit. What were you writing? This other thing I'm doing. Do you write first thing in the morning? I have before. It's got to be afternoon for me. The morning is just not... You don't have kids.

My brain doesn't... I think it's like having people around, like, I get up at five. It's your only time. Yes. I just mean, well, yeah, I just mean comedically my brain seems to not function in the morning. I just don't, I'm not, it's not clicking enough for me to write jokes. And even if I'm going through concepts when I'm thumbing through all my notes,

most of the time in the morning I'm like, and I just shit on everything because I'm just in that mood where I'm like, no, this is shit. But in the afternoon I'll be more light about the day and I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, this is a little bit easier. Well, that's a very positive outlook because I think I'm the most optimistic first thing in the morning because I'm like, oh, anything can happen. And then throughout the course of the day,

shit happens. I'm like, fuck this shit. That's why most comics I think write late at night to a lot of people write in the middle of the night, which I used to do too,

but then I was like, this isn't healthy because then I would spiral out into a writing session and then it'd be three in the morning and I'm like, well, this is not

what my body wants me to do. This is stupid. I'm asleep very early. I mean, last night I was asleep by 9.30. You got that Wahlberg schedule where you're in bed by 6 and up by 2? You drink that Manhattan at 7, it wants to go to bed by 9. It's only one Manhattan? Well,

it depends. You're looking at, I only fill up the glass once, but I take it to the very brim. You do? Yeah. You do like six fingers of whiskey? Is that what it is? I don't even measure it because I'm afraid to measure it. I just mix it the way I want to mix it in the thing. And then it fills up a full Manhattan glass or martini

glass. I mean, to the actual top to where it almost looks like an optical illusion. So it could be two Manhattan glasses. I don't know. Like bar, by bar standards. Do you drink by yourself? No,

generally my wife is also an alcoholic. So she drinks one tequila drink every night. Oh, wow. That's the deal, right? You said one a night and that's it. Yeah, that's a lot of control.

It is. Cause I keep drinking. Yeah. Well, the problem for me is like, and it can just be a beer. I'll finish the beer and the beer is like, wait,

there's more of me. Right? And then I'll, I'll be like, all right, I'll have two. Yeah. And then by the beer and the beer's like, wait, there's more of me. Right? And then I'll be like, all right, I'll have two. Yeah. And then by you have two, you're like, well, you might as well have three.

Yeah. And then when you have three, you're like, dude, fuck it, don't go to the gym, have four. You know? And then, you know,

then you have four and the four's like, man, one more and then we're going to bed. And then you have five and you go to bed and you wake up and you're fine.

Yeah, you're fine. But you're like, what was that all about? Why did I do it? Why did I do that? But I do, there is nothing better than having a drink at dinner. If I've got to go to like a dinner, whether it's with friends or work stuff, and then you get home and you're catching like just a little bit of that buzz

and then I'm like, what can I make at home? Yeah. And then I'll have those until I go to bed, which is bad. Because I'm at home. I'm safe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I made it home. I can just fall asleep on this couch again.

Yeah. That was my... Yeah. She hated that. Yeah. Your liver's not safe. You're safe. Yeah, I am safe.

But your liver's... You can always get a new one. Can't they get new ones now? By the time we're having problems with it, we can... That's how I feel. Yeah. That's how I feel. We're going to be harvesting organs.

Hell no. No, we're fucked. We're too late. Okay. Yeah, we're fucked. Yeah, we'll take it. That's fine. Yeah.

What do you want to die of? How about that? Charlie, what do you want to die of? What's your ultimate I want to die of? Okay. I was trying to think of a good joke, but in reality, probably old age. Yeah. Being like, you know, just like I'm old and my organs are like, hey man,

let's just, let's just take a break now. Let's just. That's going to be painful though. Yeah. Like what about a massive heart attack? Like let's just say you're 90 and you go to sleep.

My grandfather, my one grandfather, he literally went and was like, I'm going to take a nap and then never woke up. That was it. Had a fucking massive heart attack.

In the middle of his sleep. At what age? Yes. He was like 89 or something. Yeah. That's pretty sweet. That's pretty good. Yeah. If you sleep and you don't get up. What do it. Had a fucking massive heart attack. In the middle of his sleep. At what age? Yes. He was like 89 or something. Yeah, that's okay. That's pretty sweet. That's pretty good. Yeah, if you sleep and you don't get up. What do you want to die of? I want to see it happen. I've said that for years. It's like a stabbing.

I want to watch it. I just want to feel it all. I want to know. See, the dying in the sleep thing tends to be people's answer. They always go, I want to die. I want to know what happened. Because then what do I know? Whatever you believe in the afterlife, what if to die. I want to know what happened. Because then what do I know? Whatever you believe in the afterlife,

what if you're sleeping and you never know that you, I want to know. I want to watch it. I want to go, I'm dying. I want to know I'm dying. You want to feel pain and fear

as the last thing? Yeah. Yeah. That's been life. Life has always been pain and fear. Why change at the end? That's part of it. Why run away from that?

Right. Let it happen. Got it. I feel like I'd rather know I'm dying than not know I'm dying. I would rather, it's almost a sense of relief. You're like, this of it. Why run away from that? Right, let it happen. Got it. I feel like I'd rather know I'm dying than not know I'm dying. I would rather, it's almost a sense of relief. You're like, this is it. Fuck it.

Why not make it like a seven-month-long battle with painful rectal cancer? No, you know. I want the one. I want the, it's happening right now. I want it to be happening right now. I want it to be in a moment. I'm dying. What about a horrific car accident that's very clear it's going to go south?

Meaning like you have a split second of knowing, oh, I'm about to die. Maybe, but some people live through those things, and that scares me. Yeah. They're like, yeah, you're the only one that lived. And you're like, no. You know what I mean? And they're like, your head is detached, but we found a way to hook it up to a machine so you can live like that. You killed a family, but you're alive.

What kind of family? Fair. You know what I mean? What kind? Did they deserve it? Where are they from? Did they deserve it? Was it the Manson family?

So be it. So be it. Then you're a hero. How many kids? How old are they? All this stuff really comes into play. Sure. Who did I kill?

How did I kill them? You know? I want to know I'm going to die. What's your last two? What's the last two words of a plane is going down? Plane's going down, you're on it. Your last two words, you say? Fuck me. Fuck me.

Yeah, fuck me's pretty good. Yeah. Wow. I have so many questions. What kind of plane is it? 777. And I'm surrounded by people? And you're sitting in the exit row.

You couldn't get first class. Really sad. You're in surrounded by people and you're sitting in the exit row you couldn't get first class really sad you're in the middle i've had a couple of one in particular a very strange experience on a plane where it was like it was like you know that thing where it like drop drop suddenly yeah like by like fucking fit and i it was so severe the turbulence was so severe that people were fucking screaming and crying you You ever been on one of those flights? Dude, I fly every weekend. I'm on those all the time. And people were fucking freaking out. And I don't know what happened or what was going on, but I was convinced, okay, this is going to go down, and we're going to die.

And I just got fucking, like, bizarrely calm and was, like, okay with it. And there was this person that was next to me and i and it was this guy he was like so scared it was a guy it was an older guy and i just fucking grabbed his hand and i just like held his hand and then and put it on your penis buddy let's go let's fuck yeah no and he just like looked at me and then he stopped screaming and then i stopped screaming but then and then i took my hand off of his hand because it got weird, and I was like, I was like, oh, okay, that's okay. Like, we're going to go,

and I didn't say anything. You were fine with it. It was bizarre. Yeah. It was bizarre. I was on a jumper flight from Indianapolis to, maybe I was going to New York,

and the storm was so bad, they're like, we're going to have to not take off tonight, and I was like, fuck. I can't. This is going to fuck up my whole schedule, and then they were like, just wait by the gate. We'll see if the storm subsides.

An hour and a half or so goes by. And they're like, I think the pilot said we're good to go. And I was like. That's what they said to Buddy Holly. I know. I was like, is this a good idea? Is this going to be the time? I was like, no, come on.

The FAA. Like, you just, you put your hope into the FAA. You're like, they know that if they can. So we get on the plane. And, of of course just as I knew it was like the whole time it was like on the way up and as we got to even even to like 30,000 I mean it was still like this because it's a small plane and everyone is doing this thing the whole time you know like grabbing and kind of you all start looking around yeah yeah and I look to my left and I don't can't believe I didn't see him get on the plane because I was like horse

Blinders, but Phil Knight, you know the basketball coach. Yeah. Yeah Phil Knight Phil Knight. No, no Phil Knight Bobby Knight Bobby Knight Yeah, Bobby Knight the basketball coach Phil Knight started Nike. Yeah, he's not flying But it was yeah, it was just like an American airline. It's like a jumper jet to New York. He's screaming at the pilots. You call that flying? Throwing his chair. Get out of the chair.

Do some laps. Up and down, up and down the aisles. Let's go. He was sitting, reading a newspaper like fucking nothing, like cross-legged, just reading a newspaper. Like nothing existed. Of course. And I looked over and I was like, this is, God is not going to, whatever it is. This guy, he's seen it all.

I'm not going to die on the plane with this guy. This is never going to go down. Well, I've been on planes and been scared, like nervous, but like my wife gets really scared. And so I pretend like I'm not. But like not, not in like, that first one, I swear to God, we were going down. And I was like, fuck it mm-hmm, but like not not in like that first one I swear to God we were going down and I was like fuck it I don't know what happened like my soul left my body, but oftentimes like in a heavy turbulence I'm just like I'm gonna pretend like everything's fine

Even though I'm fucking nervous because make her feel makes her feel better cuz she keeps looking at me And I'm just like everything's good, and I'm just like fucking screaming on the inside. Like get, get. But you have to be the protector. Yeah. And then I look over at my kids and I'm like, my kids are definitely freaked out. Got to stay strong for them. And then the kids are on the iPads and they, they, they have no fucking idea what's going on. There is a threshold you cross as like a young teen where you learn, uh, for some reason you're like, oh, I think planes might be able to crash. But I remember being a kid and going to visit my grandmother and my dad being like, was that a scary flight?

And I was like, what? No. I, like, didn't notice that it was terrible. I was on a plane in second grade, and then I was not on a plane again until I was 23 years old. Yeah, and just did one flight to go test for a pilot out to LA. And then the next flight I was

on, I met Rob on. No shit. That's strange. That was my third flight in my life. I think I have the same exact experience. I had one plane ride when I was in second grade and it was when my dad and mom were getting divorced and they took me down to Florida

so my mom could move out. Hey, let's get Robbie down to Florida so he can see some palm trees. And then when we come home, mom will be gone and that'll be totally normal. And then I wasn't on another plane until I was like 22 or 23. And that plane that we met,

that trip may have been like one of the first or second that I had been on. You guys met going out to LA? Yeah. Yeah. So I had flown out to test for a pilot called Weird Henry. And they were. I love that show.

It never. Of course not. So what happens, I land and I do like the producer session. And then I get back to my hotel and they're like, that network has dropped the pilot and they're sending you home. And I was like, all right, whatever. Fine. I guess.

I mean, I was bummed. I was like, fuck, that's crazy. And then a few weeks later, I was testing for something called Mather House and I met Rob on the flight. I was like, this guy's an actor. And we talked and... That was a bad plane ride for me.

Truly, I was like, oh yeah, this guy's coming out there. I'm like, what character are you going out for? And this is the same one. And I was like, all right, all right. And then by like Ohio, I was like, fucking fuck. Like, I'm never, what character are you going out for? And this is the same one. And I was like, all right, all right. And then by like Ohio, I was like, fucking fuck. Like I'm never getting this job. Because this guy's definitely going to get this fucking job. You guys tested for the exact same?

Yes. Same show, same part. What was it called? Mather? Mather House. It was like a college sitcom. Sure. But it was written by.

It was written by. Jackie Schaefer and Jeff. Really? No, no. No, it was written by um jackie schaefer and uh jeff uh really it was no no no it was their third partner it was um the guy that ran um the guy that ran veep for a while what the fuck's his name alec it's alec berg jeff schaefer and he's the italian guy armando that guy no after he left i gotta look it up you look it up but what so then the same thing happened so we went and did like one producer session and then they said yeah you know what the network's not making this pilot after all and I remember you were really pissed off about that and I was like oh don't you know this is what happens because it was my second time in a row experiencing

that but then we became pals after that that's. That was the impetus for the Sunny growth? Third Flight's the charm. Third Flight's the charm. That should have a name. David Mandel. Oh, Mandel. Yeah. David Mandel.

So he wrote that pilot. It was really good. Yeah, it was really funny. Yeah. Wow. And it just fell apart. I don't remember the script at all. You remember it?

I do. Yeah, Mather House was not surprising. Do you remember what our character's name was? It was probably something like Cooper. Yeah, it's always there. You remember it? I do. Yeah, Mather House was a... Do you remember what our character's name was? It was probably something like Cooper. You remember what it is. I don't remember the guy's name. Because I feel like you do remember that stuff, and I know you don't. Yeah, I don't remember shit, man.

How do you know that I don't remember? It's an energy thing. I can just tell. I'm deleting files as they're coming in. Yeah, it just... That's right. And he's logging it into a... He's got a folder, and the icons are lined up, and it's well-rhoded. It's all useless.

But it's there, but you hold on to it. It depends on the type of information. Like, I'm retaining certain kind of things and deleting others. Like, names, facts, dates, those are all gone. Those are all useless to me. But definitely, I'm right now actively pissed off that I couldn't remember that guy's name. Yeah, I can feel that.

And that makes me angry. And that's the whiskey. And I don't even actually remember who he's looking up. No, no, it's worse than that. I don't remember who he's looking up or what it was about. What's the name? You don't remember the name? I just said it.

It was like Howie Mandel. It was Howie Mandel. That's so much better. That's so great. And you don't care. I don't care. I don't care at all. But why would you need to?

I guess that's the good thing. Because you were looking at the useless thing and it's useless to my life and I'm like, nah, it doesn't matter. And he's used to watching me do things that are like, that drive me insane and he just like, lets me spin out. And I'm like, nah, it doesn't matter. And he's used to watching me do things that are like,

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No chance. You already called... That's two. He's a musical genius and an artistic genius. I asked if he was a musical genius. I asked. And he said no.

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bring a certain set of like things and he brings another set and then they just mesh really well. But it's also, it's also difficult because I think about things in a different way and he, so does he. So sometimes we butt heads, but we also recognize that that's part of the process and then we have to get through it. But usually when we put it through that sort of a grinder of, of different mentalities, we come up with something that we mutually agree on 99% of the time. And that product tends to be something that works.

Yeah. You know, which is, which is cool. I, I have found that alone, you know, on my own,

I've done it and it's not worked as well. You know what I mean? And I think Rob has probably, I'd say have more success doing it without me, but there are times where, you know, on my own, I've done it and it's not worked as well. You know what I mean? And I think Rob has probably, I'd say, had more success doing it without me. But there are times where, you know, I think I could have helped in that. Yeah. Was there a moment when you guys, when Sonny got popular,

was there a moment that, like, you know, one of you or whatever was getting more on the outside of the show? And did that create any kind of bullshit inside of the show? Definitely that happened, but it didn't create any bullshit. No drama? No. God, it's so, you know, I mean, look, I know you're saying that you're both here and you are still really close,

but it is wild to think because everyone, you guys both know, that happens 90% of the time. It becomes a... Well, let me ask you that. Cause I'll, what happened was Charlie started to soup to pop, which we also recognize coming off the show. And then he started to work in movies.

But the question I can tell you that Glenn and I never, we never felt any Glenn yet. Fair. Yeah. He's the other guy. So we never felt any out. We were proud of him. And the truth was we were so fucking pissed off for so long.

Which happens to be a trend with me, I suppose. That nobody knew the show and nobody cared about the show. And, like, there was a point in which people were getting, like, nominated for awards. And you'd be like, these guys are morons. Like, Charlie's the fucking best. Like, why wouldn't he be in this conversation? So that when one of us, any one of us, and specifically Charlie, like got recognition for that, it made us all feel good. Totally.

So I don't know if you felt that at the time, right? Did you ever feel anything from us? No, I don't think so. I like, you know, maybe sometimes I felt bad about it because like you guys would be doing great work on the show. And I'd be like, oh man, why aren't they getting the opportunities they should be getting? You know, which maybe I felt guilty that I was or like undeserving. But I think oftentimes when there's that resentment, it's usually because the person is getting those opportunities and also being a fucking dick about it.

Right. You know, which it was like, I wasn't like, no, I'm not doing Sonny anymore. You guys have to kind of operate on my watch. I was still like, you know, Sonny is the job. It's our, it's our thing. It's, it's the, it's still the passion. And I'm like, lucky to do this Sonny is the job. It's our thing. It's still the passion. And I'm like lucky to do this other stuff on the side. Yeah.

And in a lot of ways, it actually is part of the glue that kept the show together for so long. Because what would happen is, you know, you're in season seven. You're like, how long are we going to do this? Should we keep doing it? And Charlie would go off and do some big movie. And then he would come back and say, I want to keep doing Sonny. And we would say, why do you want to keep doing this? And you would always come back and say,

because we have it all. This is the job. Yes, that was cool to go do that movie. I love working with Bateman and Sudeikis and those guys are great. And that was an incredible experience, but on this it's our thing. We get to control it completely. We have an audience. We get to do whatever we

want. Why would we not keep doing it? And so that was inspiring for us because we were like, oh shit, it's cool out there to do other things, but if this guy wants to keep coming back and doing it, there's a lot to be said for that. And Danny would say the same thing. Yeah. You know, also I think in terms of the show itself, I was very conscious of like, well let's not

try to start to steer episodes to keep bolstering that. Like like i think there could be a thing where that would happen on a show where like you know whoever steve carell would pop and then the writers would be like and we really have to make sure that he's the star of each episode yeah it was much more like creatively too the show was like no let's pass the buck and we found like new ways to make your character funny and we really kind of honed in on what was so funny about Glenn. He is very, very, very funny. So I don't know.

Sonny was just always such a great opportunity for us, and it pays back in so many ways, not just the money, but the fans and the love we get for the show. I get more love for that show than anything that I've done. Oh, by far. Well, yeah yeah because it's the most you guys making your own shit which is what we found about the podcast world which is

like our fans are it's us making our own shit there is no other granted you're on a television network and all that stuff but truly it's you guys making that shit there's really not a lot of other hands in there forcing you to make it another way right that's you guys doing it that's like with us doing this shit was like oh no one's gonna tell me i no one's gonna tell me i can't really so that's great because otherwise you know i like doing the other stuff too i feel the same way like i like doing dave i like doing these other small bit roles and tiny stuff but also i don't know it's not you know it's not the thing that I get to put all the control and comedy wise

and fun wise you know you show up and you do the job and it's nice but I think it's way more fun when you have all the all of the control of it

I mean you know that's kind of the I think that's the weird secret to Hollywood that you don't know when you're coming up or whatever that you're like

I want to do all of it and you're like like somebody once told me you don't want all the fans you want the right ones and like, hmm. Like somebody once told me, you don't want all the fans, you want the right ones. And I think that's kind of true. I don't know if I'd ever want to be Kevin Hart. I think Kevin Hart's great.

I don't know if I want all of the fans. That just feels overwhelming to me. There definitely seems to come a certain kind of pressure. I look at Rogan and I'm like, wow. I don't think he feels it or maybe he does. I don't know. But it seems like he is under a tremendous i don't think he feels it or maybe he does i don't know but it seems like he is under a tremendous amount of pressure he went from this very well-known comedian to all of a sudden like at the center of the cultural zeitgeist like

over the course of a couple of years and that kind of exposure to me is like somewhat terrifying because he clearly doesn't seem to give a fuck about it. I think for us, that would be, for me, that would be difficult because I'd be like, wow, can I still keep doing the same things the way that I've always done them? I don't know how it would work. And the answer is no. I think sometimes he thinks he can. Like if we go out together sometimes, there is like a moment of,

he was like, he's like, where are you last time we were together? And I said, I'm at the gym by the hotel. And he goes, I'm going to come down. And I was like, no, it's not a private gym. You know, it's not a hotel gym. They're connected to like a public gym. And he was like, so what? And I was like, are you fucking serious?

I mean, I was like, what are you doing? He's like, meet me down there. So I go walk downstairs. I'm in the gym. I go down to the first floor. And he walks in and I'm giving him the look. Like, what are you, are you really, do you really want to do? And we go upstairs.

Within seconds, it was like fucking mob, it's like chaos, yeah, because it's, also, you're in a gym, you're in a gym, that's like a fucking sanctuary for his people, it's like church for meatheads, so, like, it was just chaos, and then he worked out for a little bit privately in this section, and people ended up kind of leaving him alone, but I was watching him thinking, what a fucking nightmare. Like you just, you lose any semblance of anonymity. I just listened to his podcast for the first time like two days ago. Who, Tarantino?

Uh-huh. Yeah, that's what everybody says. I know people that like don't like podcasts or like I have family or friends that will be like, dude, I fucking, I can't believe I've never listened to this show before because it was so fun. Because Tarantino really doesn't do anything ever because he keeps to himself. But I was surprised he did Rogan because he doesn't do much, but it was really good.

It was, like, interesting to hear another version of him that you don't get when you hear him on talk shows or, you know, I don't even know. Howard is, like, the only other time I really heard him on Stern. That's why podcasts are so unbelievably popular because it's so fascinating to hear long-form interviews. That's what you want to hear. Like talk shows?

What the fuck is that? Like three minutes of rehearsed jokes? Have you guys done a bunch of talk shows or no? Yeah. Yeah, and I've had fun. Like I did Kimmel this year and we got drunk and that was really fun. Kimmel's a fun one.

I think Jimmy's, I mean, because I met him out, you know, like in a, in the comedy world and I'll tell you this quick, I don't know, I'm gonna tell the quickest version of the story, but I, I, I, when I first moved to LA, my friend's dad was the mayor of Hawthorne and they do the San Gennaro Italian festival down there. And he loved that I'm Santino, even though I look like Ireland. And he's like, go do jokes down there. You're a new comic, but go do jokes. So I went and ate the biggest, huge bag of dicks for like six minutes on stage in front of like Italian families who were like, who's this fucking Mick?

You know, it was just awful. And then I got off and this old guy came up to me and put his hand on my shoulder. And he goes, you're funny. You're just not there yet. And I was like, thank you. You're not there yet. You gotta get there. You gotta get yet. And I was like, thank you. He's not there yet. You've got to get there. You've got to get there.

And I turn around, and it was his Uncle Frank. Uncle Frank, Jimmy Kimmel's uncle. That's cool. And even cooler, he goes, but I can tell you're going to be good. And I was like, it doesn't feel like it. And he goes, do you know Jimmy Kimmel? And I knew who he was. And I was like, of course, yeah, I love him.

And he says, well, why don't you come to the show? And I was like, what do you know Jimmy Kimmel? And I knew who he was. And I was like, of course. Yeah, I love him. And he says, well, why don't you come to the show? And I was like, what do you mean? And he's like, come to the show. Can you come tomorrow? And I was like, yeah, go to the side, ask for Frank. I'll remember your name and I'll get you into the show. And I was thinking, this is bullshit. I'll get you into the show. And I was thinking, this is bullshit. He was being nice, but he'll never remember this. So me, my girlfriend go, and I walk up to the side real nervous, and I wore a fucking collared shirt, and I tucked it into my jeans, no belt.

Like I was like, I think you have to look nice if you go backstage. So I bought like a Target shirt. So then I go. I bought a tucked shirt into my jeans. I go there, and this woman's my jeans I go there and I'll go and this woman's like who you know brushing

what are you doing back here Uncle Frank said I was supposed to come and she's like really give her my name and within minutes he runs out

and gives me a hug he's like come meet Jimmy and he escorted me back this was like my third or fourth year in stand up out here and I met Jimmy

and I met everyone he took me around it was the weirdest probably the most memorable Hollywood moment that I've ever had where I was like oh man this guy was really genuine it wasn't like a yeah we'll get dinner we'll get lunch or I'll yeah we'll fucking I'll see you and I met all those guys and and and did that whole thing and it was it just meant a lot because I was like oh this is the community that Kimmel created over there yeah was like a family which felt so real versus you know a lot of I was like, oh, this is the community that Kimmel created over there. Yeah. Was like a family, which felt so real versus, you know, a lot of other shows you're like, this is a machine.

And that kind of thing absolutely exists. And Hollywood gets such a bad rap for so many different reasons. And a lot of it is deserved. But the truth is, like, you can find douchebag assholes in every industry everywhere. We happen to attract quite a large number of them. Yeah, we're the best at it. But I will say that I have an incredible community of intelligent, compassionate, empathetic,

considerate friends that work in this business. There's a lot of us. And Charlie. And also Charlie. And me, you know. I haven't worked with any real bad eggs. I've worked with people who've had bad raps, maybe on some other projects.

I've worked with a few people who have made some bad life decisions. But I haven't experienced anyone being like a monster on set. Oh, yeah, I have. You have? Holy shit. I've just been lucky, I think. Or you're not seeing it. Oh, yeah, or I'm not seeing it.

That's mostly what it is. I also think people don't want me to see it. I don't know what that is, but I think that people, like... You're like the kid and the parents don't want to fight in front of you. Yeah. They're like, not in front of Charlie, will you? I think so. They escort you.

They're like, Charlie, go to your trailer, buddy. Yes, go to your trailer. There's stuff in there for you to play with. And the adults are going to fight outside because they don't... You're too pure to have you get involved with shit. But I think I'm also unpredictable in a way where you're like, oh, that's a cute little street dog, and you know, and you're like, but it might go crazy.

It might bite. I don't know what it's going to do. Right. And so, you know, I think it's a good thing. Well, also, bullies tend not to fuck around with powerful people, and you're a powerful people on the set. So, like, that kind of shit does continue to happen. It's just we just don't see it.

Yeah, that's true. I guess if they hide it from – and some people are really good, and then you'll hear through the grapevine. Yes. Someone will go, you know what the fuck so-and-so did? And you're like, really? And then I've heard this a number of times. They'll say, yeah, but they won't.

And I'm like, that's not true. I've been around that person a thousand times and I've never seen it. And they're like, yes, because he would never pull that shit with you. Right. Right. I mean, I have had it like on crew where people are like, that fucking AD, you know, or whatever,

line producer. But I haven't seen actors like really. Have you ever had a, you guys ever had a guest star on Sunny of someone that was kind of an asshole? You don't have to say their name.

Did anybody come on the show and act like a dick? No, not really. Well, we had, Rob's got one. We've had people like, yeah, not dicks, just tricky. Like, look, and that's a part of it too,

which is like sometimes people are just, you have to navigate a little bit of mental health stuff. And that's part of the deal. But where we don't, what we don't ever accept is like abusive behavior. Sure. If someone's like strange or aloof or, you know, like hard to navigate, late, that kind of shit, you're like, eh. If it late that kind of shit you're like yeah if it's a show if it's like a guest star whatever and if it's good for the character if it's good that's

what's even more fucked up about hollywood which is why we're so fucked up is because if someone's kind of all right charlie sheening their way through yes that show that's why they liked that show he was charlie sheening his way his own show, and that's why they loved it, I think. You know, a lot of our guest cast usually is like... Friends or... Friends or aspiring actors who are getting a break. Yeah. You know, it's not a big, like, hey, we have this many famous...

Like, we do it, but we don't always have, like, the roles for a famous person to come in with all their baggage, so maybe once a season we do. We also shoot so fast and I think people are just like in and out. Yeah, it's over before. Yeah, they're there for three hours. Yeah, three hours max and we

don't even give them an opportunity to bitch because we're like, bitch, it doesn't get better than this. So shut up and do your job. DeVito is the best to work with? Yeah, the best. I've heard you guys best to work with. Yeah, the best. Like, I've heard you guys say that for years. Yeah.

Like, before I met you guys, all I ever heard was you guys saying that. But now I finally believe it after all this time. Because you're like, we all do this thing with legends, where you're like, oh, they're the best. And then sometimes behind their back,

we're just like, that guy's a fucking asshole. But no one talks about it. And it is what it is. But I don't feel like that's him. He just doesn't have that thing about him that's like... He's exactly the guy you think he is. People are like, oh, what's Danny like?

I'm like, picture Danny in your head. That's who he is. Picture that personality, that attitude. And even like, well, look at Louis De Palma, or Frank for that matter, and you're like, well, that guy's kind of a dick, but there's also a wink about it. Sure.

And Danny doesn't even go that far, but he's literally Danny DeVito. Exactly what you think. Who was the... How did you guys get him again? Who was the guy that made that happen? John Landgraf, who runs FX. He used to run Jersey TV.

Jersey Shore. Yeah, Jersey TV, which was Danny's company. And so when they were like, hey, we want to bring you back for the second season, but you've got to bring on a name, we were like, no. And they were like, you're canceled. And we were like, yes. Get us a name. Get us a name.

Get us Danny DeVito. And it worked. And it worked. God, it did workVito. That worked. That worked? God, it did work. Yeah. That's, I mean, look, it's 18 seasons? It's gonna be.

Right now, we're in season 15. Wow. But we're contracted to 18. Wow. And I'm gonna be on the next season. Guys, look for me.

I'll be on the whole, I'm a new ad to the cast, you said. No more, no. No. No more asking about it. No more suggesting it. So I will be on the show next year. No, just no. No. No more asking about it. No more suggesting it. So I will be on the show

next year. No, just no. There's actually a part this season that you might be Hey guys, look for me. No, no. It's going to be I don't want to give

any spoilers. No. No, but I am I'm happy for you guys and we didn't even get I didn't really get to even talk Mythic Quest because I think that's

part of the thing we should have talked about. No, you don't care? It's all good. People want to talk about Sonny. People watch Mythic Quest on Apple TV. Please watch that.

That's Rob's new show and it's touched a lot of bases as far as critics like it. That's good. You know? Yes, yes. It's a very successful show for the Apple platform.

That's for sure. But I think that's huge I would say that now there's too many fucking shows so if the show doesn't stink it's kind of it's like oh that's great

that's how I feel about so much TV now that I'm like if somebody goes yeah that show's good I'm like okay great that's all I need to know it's not a stinker

because if you're on a stinker no it's a good show and it scratches an itch for me that Sunny doesn't necessarily and so it's really fun show, and it scratches an itch for me that Sonny doesn't necessarily, and so it's really fun to go do. And yet, in terms of actual pure enjoyment, Sonny is the one that I have the most fun doing. Yeah. Are you doing anything else or no?

Me? Yeah. Yeah, it's a movie for the Amazon. Nobody likes movies. Oh, sorry. Yeah. Then no. Movie for Amazon? What is that? Can Oh, sorry. Yeah. Then no. Movie for Amazon?

What is that? Can you say it? Yeah, it's called I Want You Back and it's a romantic comedy, pal. Well, you and who? Me and Jenny Slate. Oh, I love Jenny Slate.

She's amazing. So funny. She's amazing. Did she write it? She did not write it. Isaac Aptaker and Elizabeth Berger wrote it

and they write, they run This Is Us. I did that show. Oh, yeah. It's a good show. I did the pilot of that show, and I had no idea. I mean, I did, actually.

I did, actually. I knew it was going to be huge because I sat in the room when they did the table read, and I was like, holy shit. It'll be the new thing the new family fall in love cry watch together and i did say that to those guys heart justin hartley i was like man this show is gonna be big huh and he was like i don't know i hope so and then i came back for the second episode or the first episode of the second season and he and those guys were all just like fucking floating to set. They were like, hey, man, like fucking nine Emmys and shit.

The world was perfect. Because half of those people were all kind of, I shouldn't say struggling actors, but, you know, like working actors kind of going through the whole thing. Sterling, Sterling we've known for years. Sterling was one of the first people I met out here. Sterling was already breaking out when that show started. He was starting to get in the sense Yeah

Yeah he was But Chrissy Meitz was kind of like going through her thing And Justin had done a bunch of different stuff And they were kind of You know what I mean It was just kind of Everyone was just kind of like They're there

They're working But that thing just Sterling I ran into in a coffee shop in Atlanta I think it was He's from Atlanta I don't know I ran into him No he's from St. Louis I think

Oh no it was in the Midwest Yeah That's right I don't know. I ran into him. No, he's from St. Louis, I think. Oh, it was in the Midwest. Yeah. That's right. I don't know where I am half the time. I thank you guys for coming on the show. This means a lot to me. Are we going to go hit a golf ball? Yeah, let's go play.

Let's do it. Did you get a new wedge? Yeah. Should we talk about it? Yeah, you can talk about it. Rob and I are starting a golf podcast. Yeah, we're going to do a golf podcast. What's it called?

I don't know. We need a name. We haven't come up with it yet. Talking Golf? How's Your Game? How's Your Game? How's Your Game? A little too CBS.

How about just golf? Golf nuts. And life, but also golf. Too flat. Rob and Charlie's Golf Podcast. Not bad. Charlie and Rob's Golf. Sorry.

I pitched Rob as- Very seriously. He pitched this to me. Oh, I was dead serious. Yeah, yeah. Not bad. Charlie and Rob's golf. I pitched Rob as... Very seriously. He pitched this to me. Oh, I was dead serious. Yeah, yeah. Go ahead. Pitch it to Andrew as the way you pitched it to me. He comes out of the office. I don't think I would say it the same to him. Yeah, he wouldn't. But I was like, you know, I think I want to do a golf podcast just because I love golf and I love

talking about golf and it'd be fun. We'll talk to other actors. Maybe we'll get some players and coaches. Yeah. And I was like, would you want to be my sidekick on it? That's so funny. What was your immediate reaction? He wasn't laughing and he wasn't smiling.

He said, no, literally you said like, and I wanted to do this, but like I also I feel like it would be better if I had like a sidekick and then like, so if you did it, then we could like bring guests on and whatever. And I just started laughing and I was like you just called me your sidekick and he's like oh well yeah you know what I mean I'm like yeah I know exactly yeah I know what a sidekick is yeah yeah but if I had a golf podcast who would you

think would be the sidekick Rob yeah yeah it makes perfect this makes perfect yeah can we just call me your caddy? That's actually great. Oh, that actually feels better. That feels better, right? That's great. I'm just handing you the charge. Hey, Charlie Day here. I'm here with my golf podcast and my caddy, Rob McElhenney. Hi, everybody.

Rob and his caddy. I mean, Charlie and his caddy would be really nice. That's the name of the podcast. Rob, I'm going to need a fresh glass of water. Let's talk to our first guest here, Andrew Santino. Well, look, I hope it takes off you'll get a lot of material Rob

Rob and I played I don't know it was about a month and a half ago and Rob dislodged what is it recycled

a wedge into the LA river and man the sound was beautiful well because did it echo like

everybody knows there's no water in the L.A. River. It's just a giant empty basin. Listener at home. He discarded it. Concrete creek. What were we on? Six. Yeah, it was whatever that part was.

And we were on six. Pitching wedge? It was a 58 degree. The day before, you and I had gone out and practiced. And I had it. He showed me this thing. He's like, just do this. I hit gone out and practiced and I and I had it he showed me this Thing he's like just do this. I did I had a thousand balls. You had it done Yeah, and then the next day the next day by the sixth hole by the sixth hole I tossed this motherfucking thing as far as hard as I he did like a so and then I was talking to

As we see him getting mad out of the corner of my eye I'm like look away look away look away like it's like dad is getting angry And don't look at him because looking at him is gonna get you the club like waved at you like So I looked the other way and he side-armed it as hard I mean it was fucking such it was like a MLB player sidearm and the release was perfect and it end Overended and it hit the bushes and I'm thinking it's gonna stick in the bushes it Annihilated the bush I mean the bushes, and I'm thinking it's going to stick in the bushes. It annihilated the bushes. I mean, the bushes were like, it was like a cartoon. It went right through the bushes into the L.A. River, and we waited, and all we heard was,

It was so beautiful. We're going to have to go out there with a microphone so I can get that audio live. That's great. And we can just be like, and here comes the club dogs. I don't have the mental game down yet. Nobody does, by the way. No. No, that's true.

Pros don't either. That's why it's the toughest game in the world. That was the first club I had thrown and broken in a very long time. Like weeks. No, no, no. I have more respect for my equipment, Charlie. You do. Yes, you do.

By the way, that wedge needed to go. I say that as if I haven't smashed a club into my own bag and accidentally broken the shaft. I've done it too. Yeah, I put one in the lake, and I immediately was like, why would I fucking, it's right there. I need to get that back out of the lake. And I was like, that's such an annoying.

Did you go in the lake and get it? I did. I've done that before too. It was so stupid. I was like, why did I do this? And then I ended the round, obviously. People were like, no, I'm obviously not going to play. I'm embarrassed. I'm wet. This was so dumb. But yeah, I got one in. I've done the round, obviously. People were like, no, I'm obviously not going to play. I'm embarrassed.

I'm wet. This was so dumb. But, yeah, I got went in and got my stupid club. I've done the same exact thing, like, in my 20s. We used to sneak onto this golf course every now and then, play, like, nine holes. We had one bag with one set of clubs. And I got pissed off and threw the driver into a lake.

Everyone's like, we need. I was like, I got it. I got it. I'm on it. Stripped down on my boxers, go in the lake. My bad. I'll get it. We do need that one.

Look out for Charlie and his caddies podcast coming to Apple Podcasts or wherever you get them. Charlie and his caddy is a great name for it. Charlie and his caddy podcast, wherever you receive podcasts. We end the show the same way on one word or one phrase. This is how you will end the episode. So both of you guys look in that camera right there, and each of you at one at a time say one word or one phrase

that's going to close the episode. So whenever you're ready, one word or one phrase. I don't like this. Wow, yeah. Yeah, it's tough, isn't it? Give us some examples of... Of what cool people, smart people have said? Well, what matters?

That's a good one. What matters? Oh, you can say a phrase? One word or one phrase. A lot of people take the phrase very seriously. A lot of people use the word as a comedic punch, which I can kind of tell who's going to do what from this angle. You see what I'm saying?

Yeah. You don't have to. Enjoy your life. Huh. Look at that. You thought he was going to go. You thought I was going to go. I really wanted comedy.

See, I think for me, you're assuming I'm going to jab. Yeah, and that's what comedy is. It's subverting the expectation. No, it's just specificity about social shifts. Specificity about social shifts. Yeah, about social shifts. It's specificity about social shifts. Yeah, about social shifts. What's yours, Rob?

I'm going to say it's fucked up that the only continued socially acceptable form of prejudice that is accepted is against gingers. Spaghetti's a joke. In here, we pour whiskey, whiskey, whiskey, whiskey, whiskey. You're that creature in the ginger field. Sturdy and ginger. Like vampires, the ginger gene is a curse. Gingers are fugitive. You owe me $5 for the whiskey and $75 for the horse.

Gingers are hell no. This whiskey is excellent. Ginger. I like gingers.