Whiskey Ginger with Andrew Santino - Josh Peck Joins The Show! | Whiskey Ginger

Episode Date: April 10, 2026

Welcome to Whiskey Ginger a Wave series presented by FanDuel. Andrew Santino sits down with actor, comedian, and internet personality Josh Peck for a hilarious and surprisingly real conversation about childhood, growing up in the spotlight, and building a career that actually lasts. They talk about Josh’s journey from Drake & Josh to adulthood, how fame at a young age shapes you, and what it takes to reinvent yourself in Hollywood. Josh also shares insights from his podcast The Good Guys, where he continues these kinds of honest, funny conversations. In this episode: • Growing up on Drake & Josh and what childhood was really like • How early fame affects identity and confidence • Santino and Josh talk family, growing up, and life after child stardom • Lessons from podcasting on The Good Guys Drop a comment with your favorite Josh Peck moment. #whiskeyginger #AndrewSantino #JoshPeck #DrakeAndJosh #ComedyPodcast #PodcastClips #Comedians ====================================================== This episode is sponsored by: RULA FIND A THERAPIST THE EASY WAY! https://rula.com SQUARE USE PROMO CODE: WHISKEY GET 10% OFF YOUR ORDER https://square.com/go/ginger FANDUEL HEAD TO https://fanduel.com/whiskey TO GET STARTED! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Don't wait. Visit your local GMC dealer today and make it yours. Welcome back to Whiskey Ginger, a wave series presented by Fan Duel. Hey, Whiskey Ginge fans, Bobby Lee and I are going to be doing the Netflix is a joke festival here, May 8th in Los Angeles, California, at the YouTube theater down by Stofi Stadium. SoFi Stadium. And then June 28th, I'm doing two shows. June 28th down in Del Mar, North, North County, San Diego, dude, at the Sound. Two shows back to back.

Then July, I'm doing the Ameristar Casino in St. Missouri, basically St. Louis. Come on out. Missouri, come see your boy, St. Charles, Missouri, St. Louis, right there. Go to Andrew Santino.com for those tickets. Andrewsantino.com. In here, we pour whiskey, whisk, whisk, whisk, whisk. You were that creature in the ginger beard. Sturdy and ginger. Like vampires, the ginger gene is a curse. Ginger's a fugitive.

You want me $5 for the whiskey and $75 for the horse. Ginger's, oh, hell no. This whiskey is excellent. Ginger. I like gingers. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Whiskey Ginger. My guest today is one of my favorite people on Earth. I said that for all my guests, but I mean, once again, today, it's the morning with Josh Pack.

Good morning. Good morning. How does that feel? Great. I'm so happy to be here. We've orbited each other way too much. Yeah, we really have. Well, you've filled in for me on bad friends, right?

Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Before I even, where was I? Was I sick or something? I think you were doing this to Nicky. You were doing a movie That you beat me out for the part Really?

Big time. A lot. You beat me a lot. I beat you out for Ricky Sennicki. A lot. Wow. Well, can I give you the backstory to that that'll give you some more context?

I love it. You were never going to get that part. That was what I thought. And here's why. I knew it. Here's why. You're not a good actor. No.

No. I read that original script almost 10 years ago, right? And even back then, I didn't have any weight or pull. And I begged my agents, I said, can you please get me one meeting with Pete Farrely, somehow, some way?

Yeah. And 10 years ago, it was like, no, that's impossible. He doesn't know who you are. No one knows you are. What are you talking about? I had only done a few things, whatever. Well, then they asked, and Pete was like, oh, yeah, I am interested in maybe meeting him.

He's seen, yeah, well, yeah. So I went in and I basically begged him. I said, I would do anything to be in this movie. I thought it was the funniest script I'd ever read in my life. I'm not kidding. I was like, this is perfect and he was like oh well it's a vehicle for jim care you know jim was going to be ricky and like he's like but we have these other guys that are already kind of like i think at one

point they had their eyes on um miles teller um i can't remember he beats me a lot too well he's you know he's a pretty handsome boy dude i mean you're a handsome guy but he's just got that thing where yeah yeah he's a movie star girls want to have sex with them girls want to have sex with them invalids want to be near him he's a movie star but i anyway so i did that you know eight years ago or whatever it was almost 10 years ago and then the script kept getting pushed and jim said no and then i kept being da da da da and then it fell apart and i got rewrote like four or five times and i just lost track of it and then i ran into pete with larry david at this thing and he was like hey we're going to make that movie and i was like really and he's like yeah you should try to be in it

I was like, yeah, I mean, I begged for it for a decade. You're like, you kind of decide that. Yeah, I was like, isn't that you? And then he was like, I think we're going to, yeah, I think we'll work that out. So I had planted that seed so long ago that if I didn't get it, I was going to kill everybody attached to it. Fair. So did you, you're alive? Ephron first.

I would have killed him 100%. I would have killed Zach. And I could take him. We used to wrestle on set. I could take him. He feels very hearty. He feels a big boy. Yeah.

He's not. He's not big, not big, but he's very strong. Do you feel it? I want to feel his jawbones. Well, he, so we kiss before every shot. We would kiss before we, every take. Midmouth, open mouth. Closed mouth because he doesn't, he's a germaphobe.

So pre every take, just a kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss. Yeah. Have a great scene. And then we would, then we would, he wouldn't say anything. It was just kind of customary. Yeah. In the moment. And they go, Zach, he needs a kiss, fly in.

And I'd fly in sometimes in case I wasn't in the scene. Actors acting. Yeah. I don't even know why I told you that stupid story. I'm glad. It's a dumb, bad story. Here's the thing. You're good actor.

I'm mediocre at best. And you're a very good actor. Thanks. I'm okay. Can I tell you my favorite performance of yours? Oh, yeah. Go ahead. Disaster artist.

Let me tell you why. Let me tell you why. What a fucking asshole? I got caught out of the entire fucking movie. Been there. They left me doing this. You know why? I appreciate it.

because you were acting so hard in that movie. Oh my God. And that's what I would have done. Yeah. Because I know. I imagine you were like, because this was like as you were starting the ascension. I was getting a little bit of love. Yeah.

And you're like, fucking Seth Rogan, Franco. Yeah. This is like, and you were like, I'm going to crush this. And I could tell that you were like, I'm going to do a fucking great job. And you did. They cut some shit out. They cut a lot of shit out, dude. I would have been right there with you pop off.

You want to know the hardest part that broke my heart about that? they didn't tell they don't tell you of course for people that don't know at home they don't tell you that they're going to cut stuff out you don't know until you until you and i saw it at the fucking premiere they didn't tell you before that's wrong so i went to the premiere it was at man's chinese i think it was and it's a big one yeah it was a big one yeah and when i walked out i had such like unbearable anxiety i already don't like uh crowds he knows i don't like I don't like be I don't I get really weird about I don't like it like I'm like I got to go see later I hate it if it's private I can be with a bunch of people but if it's like just out in the

open and winging about I get really kind of jittery and we were walking out and I was having a literal panic attack as I was walking out and I couldn't breathe and I was like staring at the floor and my wife was like what's going on and I was like I think I we need to go home and she's like you don't want to go to this it was at the Roosevelt the party was right across the street and everyone was just walking across the street. And I said, well, here's the good news. We live in West Hollywood. So we literally just broke right and just got into the neighborhood and disappeared into

the night. But that fucked me up in the weirdest way because I was like, well, I don't want to talk to people after that. That's, I'm going to be so uncomfortable. So I didn't tell anybody. I just took off. And then the next day, people were like, where were you, man? It's like, dude, I was there.

I was there, dude. I was at the bar all night. Killer time. I was having the, but you were, you were wasted, dude. You were. I was just kind of like played it all. like oh dude I was there I must have missed you I don't know is your wife consoling you as like once you're getting to like the one hour mark the 90 minute mark because she thought you were in it the hand grab gets tighter yeah oh wait okay bouncing back real fast you didn't beat me for something but you got a thing that I failed miserably what you did how I met your father yeah I did the original pilot right yeah the one with Greta Gerwig and and and And me, Greta Gerwig, Andres Holm,

um, uh, uh, why can't, what's wrong with me? And what happened with that? It was fucking unwatchable. Isn't that amazing? It was one of the worst things I'd ever done. I was really bad. It was bad. It was just really uncomfortable because nobody, it would, nothing was right about it. But Greta had only done indie movies.

She had never done TV, I don't think, at that time. So she was like writing and directing this new concept, but it was still their, show. It was this weird. It was very weird. But it was the guys from the original. Yes, but they were also like, they had just done such a big run that I don't know if this was like a full on. It's a lot. It was weird. I will say the biggest fuckup I've said this before many times on other shows, but everybody was at the craft table, craft service table and they were like, hey, where are you going to live in New York? Because the deal was, we shoot the pilot in L.A., but those guys had to be back in New York. They wouldn't want to shoot it in L.A. They were like,

When it goes, we'll shoot it in New York. Yeah. My agent's like, where do you want to live in New York? We'll start fishing an apartment and all this stuff. And I was like, are you guys this positive about it? It's a pilot, you know? And they were dead on every fucking actor. Where are you going to live in New York?

What do you think you want to be? What does your wife want to live in New York? Where does your husband? Where do your kid? Where do you think it was that narrative. And I got really weirded out by it. And I had never seen an episode of how I met your mother ever. So I went home that night.

I watched the pilot. And then I went in, the bedroom my wife was in there reading and she's like what's up and I go this pilot's never gonna go I fucking knew right away yeah I was like this is really bad if that's the show it was yeah we're fucked it's this is bad dude and when they killed it I was like thank you Jesus Christ they buried it from the and it's on the internet people have found it sadly it's bad it's unbelievable when every like I've been part of those things where every piece of it was perfect yeah and it couldn't even it couldn't even get a

breath. It couldn't even, there was no pulse to the damn thing. Just murder it in the backyard. Yeah, they just tried to reverse engineering. And that, remember Steve Levittan, who's a genius, right after Modern Family did the show with Keegan and Knoxville? And it just, and it went a season. Obama and Bruce Springsteen had a podcast. That's insane. No season two. No season two. Yeah. Obama got busy. God bless him. Yeah, Obama got a little busy. And, Bruce is on tour. You know, those guys. Sure.

Everyone does have a podcast now. I have a podcast. I'm going to get on it. I have a podcast. We're not allowed to not have a podcast now. You have to. I mean, is this the key?

I mean, especially for you and Bobby, but it seems like this has been the ultimate fuck you to be able to do whatever you want to do, right? Yeah, I mean, a little bit, but it's also like it was our answer

to connecting with fans because we were like, I just want to like joke around and fuck around with fans because I, you know, the traditional mediums it would take so long

to like put something out. So you're like, well, we'll just make these things. That's kind of how this was birth. I mean, credit to the people that did it before us. But, you know, it is a, you know, dude, you were a kid actor, you know. Yeah. And what comes along with being a kid actor, named top three things? Eating disorder.

Eating disorder. Parents stealing your money. Parents stealing your money. Burning out before you can legally drink. Burning out before you can legally drink. And you're forgetting a fourth. Being 100 pounds overweight and having that. No, you already said eating disorder.

And my awkward years are in... You were abused by adults. You were abused by older people on set. Well, it's not a great, great setup for young people. No, it's the weirdest thing in the world. Yeah, it's gross. You had an eating disorder? You were drinking?

Yeah. You're sober now. Sober. How many years? 18. When did you start drinking? I started drinking before it was cool. I lost a bunch of weight, and I was 17 years old.

I didn't realize what food was doing for me. Yeah. And it was giving me this kind of numbing. I didn't eat fruit snacks like my fellows. When I was 10 years old, I would black out in your pantry. And it would be like a gushers over my face and empty Capri Sunbags. And it was bad. Dunkeroo's.

Dunkeroo's. Slop just falling from your mouth. Yeah, yeah. I'm just like. You were that guy. You would eat an entire like Oreos, the whole thing was gone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was me and Sarah Lee.

We were just fucking crushing oatmeal pies and watching TGIF and hoping for better days, wondering where my dad was. Where was he? Good question. That's a very good question. It is dead now. He's dead now? Yeah, died with a perfect score.

Really? Yeah, he's like, I'll never meet you. Fucking, yeah. You don't know how he died? Old age. Really? He was an old suitor. He hooked up with my mom at 62.

He was 62 when you, wow. Died in his 80s, which is great because at physicals, so you know your father's health history. And I'm like, no, but 80s. 80's is pretty good. If you can make it to 80, you're fine. Take me out. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, and then your mom was how old when they got? My mom was older, too. She was 43 when she had me. So my mom's 82 now, 81. Wow. Yeah. But your old man kicked and he never met the guy. Never met him.

And respect. Yeah, good for him. Yeah, good looking out. Look at the opposite, though. You're raising three children of your own, and you're probably the best dad in the world. I think I'm pretty good. I'm pretty damn good.

I think you're really good. I love it. Which one do you love the most? Say it fast. Say it fast. The oldest. Yeah, for sure. Oldest is great. And the youngest is super cute

and the middle is just like me. So I like secretly super love him. Because he's a carbon copy of you. A little bit. Is it boy, boy, boy? All boys. I. So you were a good guy.

Musical theater kid fucking had and his own little football team dog. Yeah, no. You're a little stage crew. Yeah, I got to like, you know, I didn't learn how to be a man, and now have to teach these little men how to be men. If you, but they'll be very sensitive, caring men. I hope so. They'll not be, they won't be brash, misogynistic dickheads because you're not that guy.

Are you? Because you learn compassion because you're raised by your mother. Yes. I hope so. I mean, are you past a point now, like you're early, do you talk about your age, early 40s, late 30s? You got a lot of fucking nerve back. Yeah, bro. No, I talk about open.

I'm 42. I'll be 43 this year. So you're super successful. your civilian private life wife is amazing Are you past that where people go like when you having a kid Like do they just go like not who needs it We tried for a long time couldn't do it So it didn't work out and we went through all those steps

And then I just we stop well you know now we make fun of the idea When people ask about it Like now we kind of make jokes because we're over it We used to be kind of annoying The weirdest thing is when people get pregnant in our friendship circle And they're like afraid to tell us And we're like we don't fucking care Like they get weird

to like, I don't know if you know, but, you know, Sarah's pregnant and we're like, that's awesome. And they're like, yeah, I didn't know if we should. I'm like, we don't fucking care. Like, we're fine. Well, I mean, you know, like, we already dealt with the pain of it.

It's already, it's a thing that will always exist. But once you get over it, you kind of have to accept that reality. And it doesn't mean it comes without any sort of muck, but it's weird when people kind of put it on you. They're like, is you guys okay with it? You're like, we are. Yeah.

But I think people get uncomfortable because they want to celebrate these things and they feel bad doing it in front of you. And you're like, no, man, I don't, you know. But what I don't, don't invite me to your kid's birthday party. I won't. That is, I'm not going to that. You don't belong there. Yeah, that's insane. People invite us sometimes.

I'm like, who is that for? Yeah. You're going to show up without a kid and just stand there with cake? We're friends. Let's go to get dinner as adults another time. But, like, growing up when my friends did have kids before me, like, I love, like, this. be like, we're going to, you know, his Little League game. And I'll be like, I'll sit with you at the Little League game.

Like, my buddy lane? That's different. That's different, right. That's going to support the kids. That's fun. That's a different version. Birthday party is a whole other thing. I don't even always want to be at my own kids' birthday party.

They're awful. It's a lot. And there's always like a couple of kids that you don't really like and their parents are awful and you have to put up with them because they're in the same class. Oh. I see it all from the third party. I'm even annoyed and I don't even have a kid involved. I am dealing with that right now with my son in Littaly.

And as you know, I'm the D-D. Of course you are. The double-D. Yeah, of course you're. Dugout Dad. Yeah, the dugout dad. And so I got to run the show. I got to be like, kid, you're on deck.

Warm up. Warm up now. You know? Put down the Game Boy. Let's get ready. Do they play game? Do they fuck around in the dugout? Like, are they playing?

It's literally like bad news bears in there. Like, I would watch kids movies and go like, yeah, it's cute, but kids don't really talk like that. They do. There's one kid on my son's team. His name's Max, who just has a nickname for every kid. And he'll walk. and be like, Max the Wax. Never drops a ball.

Max the Wax. I'm like, get this kid cast. I'm like, that's 10 episodes right there. There's one goose. There's one kid who will only be called Mungoose. The goose, goose, the goose dog. The goose, big goose. I actually respect the goose.

We have like a Rudy type kid who's not the best. But he tries really hard. We band around him. But like, I notice it now because like kids are kids and like their parents will be around and I'll never parent another. parent's kid, but I will give a look to the parent and be like, stepping in? No? We all saw little Timmy.

You know, you're going to let him spit on him? You can let him spit like that? Right at the base. He spit right on the bag. He's sitting on second base. He's sitting on it. Nothing? So you just let him fly.

They do your best. I have to. I can't. The only thing I'll do is collectively like when our little Rudy kid doesn't perhaps do the right thing and the entire team goes, Rudy! I'll be like, hey, positivity. Yeah. Like, we encourage our other teammates.

Good job, Rudy. Yeah. Go that way. Come on. Go that way, bud. Yeah. Who, is there a kid on the team that absolutely hits dingers that you're like, this kid might be really good when he grows up? Oh, yeah.

There is one. You see a moment where it's like. There's always one, huh? Yeah. And then, and this sounds schmucky because I never want to be that dad. God bless my wife's family. She comes, my father-in-law was a quarterback for the Jets, like real athletic family. Holy shit.

And thank God my older son got all of that and none of me. So there are moments where I'm like, yeah, dude. But I just don't want to be that dad and be like, how good is he? Because I hate that. I hate when fathers. Yeah, well, parents do that. It's very annoying. But sometimes it's undeniable.

Sometimes. My buddy's two kids are unbelievable athletes. Like, they're shocking. I'm a little, like, awestruck by it because I've seen them as from little kids. And now that they're like, you know, pre-teens and right around that age and young teen. and you're like, that kid's like a, that throw is like an adult throw. Yeah.

It's a very strange thing to see when they're that young and that kind of like agile and athletic. And then the people around them are okay, but you can tell there's like one step difference where you're like, oh, he's just a step quicker than everybody. It's very strange to watch. But I'm sure the kid is good. Can we know? Do we know your father-in-law? Who that was? Yeah, Ken O'Brien.

He was a quarterback for the Jets. For the Jets. Wow. God, that's crazy. He was real good. Now, when you met him for the first time, was he disappointed in how little of a man you are? He must have. Yeah. I can't even imagine. Oh, Brian, Irish?

Oh. You married into an Irish family. What did your mother say about that? She was in acceptance. Didn't she want a nice Jewish girl? Isn't that the whole thing? I guess it can be. My mom is like this is basically me without the acting career.

Like she should have been, but she was like, oh, I'm going to, I guess, do. business because I'm a single mom and have to make a living. But she's like the performer, talented, funny, great singer. So I think she loves that there's one Jewish mother in this scenario. Ah, yes. And they give her, like, the stage and love to watch her do her thing. And so it's a good balance. That's good.

That's good. It's great. And God, do I love the Irish? Yeah, you have to. The best. Yeah, they're kind of the most downtrodden of the Europeans. My babe, you're all Italian? 50-50.

They don't look like this. in Sicily, do they? No, I'm Irish and Italian. Yeah, there is red Italians. Sicilians, we're the little... You're a red Sicilian? That's the name of your new special. Red Sicilian.

It's also a very good pizza. He's full Irish, this scumbag. I love that. Pretty Irish. Red-headed Italians, guess how I'm at the population of Italians are redhead. What percentage or the number? Percentage. Percentage of Italians that are red-headed, less than a half a percent? Six.

0.057%. I was literally on the money. Wow. Scary. Less than a half a percent. We are a very rare breed. Redheads in general. People assume that I'm Irish because I've red hair. Ironically, there's more redheads in England and Scotland than there are in Ireland. It's more of a British trait. But I am a redheaded Irishman. But yes, Sicilian and Irish, a good mix. So I could have married anybody. My parents didn't care. Yeah, you were wide open. It didn't really mad. There was no, just get somebody. Please get somebody. Do you go to the boot? I just like gone to the boot because Tony Sopranos

We go. Why are you from on the boat? I go down, we go Yeah, I go there probably once a year. We go to Europe almost every year for like a job or a gig or a thing and then we end up making a vacation out of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the, honestly

dude. If I had my druthers, I'd just move and never come back. If my parents weren't alive and I want them to live for a very long time, but if I didn't have parents here anymore. Yeah. We'd be out of here, man.

What about the little... The little Korean man. Oh, I don't give a shit about that little fat turd. No. Bobby needs you. Bobby needs me until he doesn't, and then he'll be fine. He's going to be perfectly fine. No, you know what? I think...

I think, you know, the only other place that I would go to, but it would have to be when my parents are no longer here, is Melbourne, Australia. Wow. Why? One of the greatest cities on planet Earth. You love it. Hands down. Like it's, it is stunning.

The food culture, the nightlife, the weather, like it's, it's all the things. It's, it's, I fucking love Melbourne.

It's beautiful, man. Good coffee, I've heard. Yeah, they brag about the coffee. They love the coffee. I don't give a fuck about this whole narrative. It is good,

but also. Yeah, we have coffee here. Yeah, there's good coffee. And they always like, oh, it's not the same night.

It's not as good. And you're like, I think it is. I reckon it's not as good, mate. Yeah, I'm like, you guys don't do coffee the way we do coffee. Do you get different coffee? We get bitter coffee, mate.

You can't get it the way that we get it. Are they, where's the beans from? The beans are from a special part of Australia. Yeah, you can't get it where you from. The middle. Yeah, dead center. The dead center, and we get it and we won't ship it out. We'll just keep it local.

So you can't, you can't have it, mate. Good luck. You be in Australia, huh? I would fucking love. Go to Melbourne once and you'll go, I get it. I totally get it. The problem, I would have to be. without parent, again, I don't want this to happen anytime soon.

But the problem would be because it's so far. You go down there once, you're like, this is repulsive. It's a lot. It's a, it's a slap. It's absurd. It's a schlap. What? When you were on the flight, you sat in the back and the middle road, didn't you?

Yeah, I was in the middle seat to Ozzy, but it wasn't that bad because everyone said it was going to be the worst thing ever, and then you sleep for eight hours, and that's most of the flight. That's all code word for Xanax. Yeah, yeah. You're on eight Xanax. Well, he's, he's 26, so he's got, he's got teenager brain still. You know, like he lives free.

Yeah, he's wearing burking socks. He's built for the middle seat. Yeah, what are you going to say? I was just going to say the reason that Australian coffee is so good is because 95% of them are independent. So there's just a higher, just they care more about the coffee. It's less chains. Less chains. Well, how about this?

I don't like chains either. I still drink from home. I refuse to go to these chains. Huh. Not interested in you. Not interested in Starbucks and Peets and Coffee Bean. And these are who I'm not interested in these. What's your setup at home?

I've got a couple. I have as many as you can dream of. I have regular drip, I have French press, I have espresso, we got it all. You come up to my house, you need a coffee. Got you. Done. Name your, name your, you know, name your poison. You are successful.

No, no, but I love coffee. I drink probably five or six, if it's coffee coffee, five or six cups of coffee a day. Yeah. And if it's espresso or capucheno, I'll have two or three of those. Sheesh. But I don't really get frilly. I'm not into like, you know, like my wife likes matcha, and she'll go somewhere and she'll get like a honey lavender, white macadamia chocolate

macha. Keep lavender in my sense. I don't need to taste lavender. Sebastian, every time. They got lavender in the coffee. I just talked about this on my pod. The other day I brought, so my three-year-old is so cute and he's potty trained. but he has a little bit of,

he got a little anxiety when it comes to number two. Me too. Who does it? I know. He likes to do it at home. Me too, dude. So he wants to holding it all day, right? Yep, I've done that.

So the other day, we go to this L-AFC game, this soccer game, and the Sebastian, the Man Oskalco family is sitting right in front of us. I notice it, right? Sebastian's there, beautiful family, you know, a gorgeous wife and kids. And there, I'm there with my oldest son and my middle son who's three. And he's tooting. My three-year-old's tooting. He's letting him rip.

Because he's been holding. It's outside, too. L.A.F.C. It's an outdoor stadium. It's outside. Yeah. But it's the wind around. He's cropped dusting the man of Scalcos.

That is even the maddest? He's cropped dusting from behind. I'm just imagining Sebastian's a new bit where he's like, so I'm getting crop dust. And he's like, you know. It's almost as if he's throwing it. I can taste it. Did you say hello? No!

Why? I'm such a fan, but I just felt bad. You should have said hello. You're so embedded in the comedy world. All the comics know you? I'm such a fan. I do. I feel like the Forrest Gump of the comedy world.

Like, I just get to come around and be around you guys, which is the best. And you are kind of similar to the Gump storyline. Yes. It is kind of fantasy-based. It's like, how did that work out? Yeah. Yeah. Like everyone's kind of like that guy?

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Did you meet Bobby's mom and think to yourself right in that moment. One day when I do do an impression, I'm going to cross-eye. Or did it just happen in the moment? It was a very in-the-moment thing that I, because the guts of that show was really us taking out all of our gripes on each other at the beginning. so we were just fight a lot. Like the first 20 episodes are probably us just like screaming at each other.

And then because we would get so so mean to each other, we would start making each other laugh by making fun of each other. And I remember I remember seeing a photo of his mom and my immediate, I started laughing.

And I thought in my mind like he'll be really upset if I say something about it. And then I kind of stored it up in my little mean bank of insults. And I reached into my safety deposit box when he was making fun of my mom. Because my mom is like my, that's my one like you talk shit, I'm going to get you. Like, okay, we can go back and forth. Yeah.

I'm going to get you. Because my mom was a single mother for a little while. She raised me until she met my stepdad. She's my like ultimate hero. And so when he said something about her, I was like, okay. Okay, buddy. You want to go? Let's do it.

So that thing, that little moment in time was an absolute, I'm Bobby Mom was a complete accident. Like it was not, it was in the moment because of all this fuel that I had. And the funny thing is to this day, it's the most popular part of my presence on the show. And we would have never, when we recorded that, we would have never even thought that. Like it was just us fighting. Yeah. We thought nothing of it. And then it's somehow the internet took it.

And it's funny what the internet takes it. I mean, your whole career. Stuff that people took and put on you or like personified you that you were like, really? Yeah. That's, I didn't. I mean, that's cool that you like it, but I didn't even think that that would be like a thing that people would attach to. You know what I mean? I can't believe how memeable Drake and Josh has become.

And I. To this day, I still see them today. Yeah. And it's funny because when we made the show, it was just like a popular kid show. It was a kid show. So it never like broke through as like, you know, friends or anything that like some crazy really super popular sitcom. And so now when people bring it up, they'll be like, what was it like, man, at the prime, at the top? I'm like, the top was five years ago when I was 34.

Right. And we hadn't shot it for 15 years. That's crazy. Because of reruns and just all of, I was like these lines that have become so quotable and iconic, like when we did them, we were like, we knew they were funny, but we didn't think. they would take on a life of their own. So it's great. But it's because of the way you guys look and are on the show. It was almost like a really, it's just, I don't know,

like some things, some things just make sense that they kind of get into the cultural zeit geist. I don't know why, but you definitely don't know when it's happening. No. That's impossible to know. Well, like there was a great show, you're 39. Mm-hmm. There was a great show called Pete and Pete.

Do you remember Pete and Pete? I worked with those guys. You did? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. called Snow Day when I was 12 years old. Yeah. And it was the writers of Pete and Pete and Chevy Chase, Chris Elliott.

Oh, I remember this movie. Iggy Pop. That's right. Pam Greer is a Jean Smart, craziest cast. Yeah. And it was there, I think, probably one of the few movies that they wrote. It was such an iconically odd show.

It was so ahead of its time. The music, the intro music, he has no idea about that. He's too young. And it's crazy to me because his generation would have fucking loved that show. Yeah. It was like way ahead of the curve. Because it was...

They'd play a lot of 90s, Nick when I was a kid, though. Well, yeah, sure. They did the repeats of it. But it wasn't, like, in your cultural youth, like, it kind of shaped that. I worked with Artie, the strongest man in the world, an actor named Toby Huss, who's an incredible actor. I worked with him on this awful project that I can't believe he was a part of because he's better than that. And I'm a, I was like, I have to do this. Yeah.

But I remember learning it was him. And I was like, that was you. I had recognized him from he is the Sinatra impersonator in Vegas vacation going on the strip where we live. Hey kid, Nick Papa Georgia. He gives him the fake license on the strip and he takes the photo and he's singing Sinatra. He's like crooning on the street.

And I think he had told me this story that he got the job because he was doing a Sinatra bit or impersonation or he was like doing a bit. I'm going to fuck it up if Toby ever hears him. That's not right. But he was doing that impression and it got wind from the producers. They were like, we want him to do that on the movie. So it was like interjected. I don't think it was supposed to be the, I don't think it was written.

They found out and they were like, that's how he gets the license from this guy selling fake IDs on the strip. It's incredible that back in a day you did have these things of like people fall face first into the movie world. And that does not happen today. I mean, regardless if he was an actor trying, today it's like everything is so calculated. There is no like, yeah, he just got in. Like when we did Danny Trejo, he told a story of like how he got in his first movie. He was fresh out of prison. He was helping his neighbor move trash cans just to be polite in the neighborhood.

He was like finding God. And God told him to do acts of service. So he would go do acts of service in his neighborhood. And a friend of a friend whose garbage can he was, you know, helping move was a producer. And they were like, hey, we need guys, background guys that look like prison guys. You want to go make a hundred bucks a day. And he was like, hell yeah. And then he went and he was commenting.

He was like, well, that would never happen in a prison. That's not how that worked. And the producer was like, how do you, can you set it up? So he did. And then eventually they were like, let him read the lines. And he got the part. He's built. It's crazy.

But that just doesn't happen today. It's just not a part of the culture. What does happen to? Well, nothing. I mean, we're all out of work. But is that true? Yeah. Is that the games?

The irony, the irony of the writer's strike on top of COVID. on top of whatever. Yeah. We were like, it's gonna come back bigger than ever. It was over. And we were like, fuck! Nothing worked! We were wrong!

I mean, it was just kind of like the business had so many hiccups on top of each other that were in this... COVID, Rider Strike, the digital AI age of merging mega company, internet, media streamers, multi-platform conglomerates, all that stuff happened within five years. Right. That's crazy. How do we survive? I don't know what the business is going to be.

I mean, you still work, so you know. It's going to be real good. It's going to work out for Gus and Gus. For you, dude. No, for us. I don't work anymore. Stop it with that today. Will you tell him?

He doesn't work anymore. I don't work anymore. A lot of disaster artists situations. Stop it. No, I just don't work anymore. Dude, I do podcasting and stand-up. I just don't really have any involvement in it anymore. Do you think there's a part of it too, though, that like you're not going to take just an easy, like, if something was just like, hey, we have this great, like, guest star on this procedural that no one, that's kind of forgettable, you're not going to do it.

No, because for two reasons. One, it's not going to service me. It's not really a use of my abilities, because my abilities are very limited. No, they're not. So it's not going to use my ability right. And it's also going to take away a job from a young actor who needs it. So to me, it's weird when bigger actors do it. And I'm not saying I'm big, but like for someone that really needs a new credit, give it.

That's who needs it. Give it to them because it's good for their career. Don't give it to someone you already know and does stuff regularly. It doesn't make any sense. Are you, do you still audition? Yeah. No. For like something crazy, something good.

It just doesn't happen. But I mean, if something big, if they were like, Scorsese wants you to audition for like Busboy number four, I would do whatever he wants. I'd shine his shoes. But like, no, but I don't, there is no like, hey, we want you to audition. It doesn't, it's just not a part of my world anymore. Oh, bro. I go, I go in on it all. You do all of it still.

I'm so preconditioned. And I don't know what it is. And I, I feel all the pain and frustration that one could feel. And yet there's a term in sobriety. It's called have smart feet, right? Which is like, you could literally be having your worst day and your world's falling apart and your feet walk you into a meeting, right? Like, have trained feet.

Right? It's just like, your head could be telling you one thing, but make sure those fucking feet walk you into a meeting because you'll probably stay sober. And that's kind of me with acting. It's like I could literally be the most cliche conversation with my half with my shrink, the other with my wife going like, never again.

I deserve better than this. 30 years, 30 years, Paige. I can't! I can't! Like, and I'll say, you know, I'll be like, two months with Christopher, no. I'm auditioning for this. And then literally the audition will come the next day.

And I'll be like, can we run? Can we run the lines? Can we run the lines, please? Yeah. And we run the lines. I get that. But you're also, it's your whole identity. I've worked on it not being, but you're right.

No, but it's a part of you, it's a part of your guts. It's a part of my genetics. Yeah, it is. It's in my DNA. Well, now he's doing a Jewish thing. It is in your genetics. It's in your genetic code. That's, that's a part of it.

You know, people say that. but they never say the next part which is we built this thing yeah you did it's the Neil Brennan it's a great Neil Brennan that Neil Brennan pod was very funny and the where he says you know no one gets upset with

Italians having a monopoly on salami right you know what I mean like it's theirs and it's not that it's just like we came to Broadway in the 30s and we're like got a couple parts for schmool and they were like Schmuh fucking beat it yeah like we were shut out of Broadway

so the Warner Brothers and Louis B. Mayor and a bunch of these other guys were like, let's go to the West Coast and try this movie thing. Yeah, it was genius. And it just kind of built. And so, but I got to say... But who was on the West Coast before you guys?

Who was? Who was there? Mexicans. And they're not in film and television. You didn't help them out at all, did you? No, you kicked them out of Echo Park. Oh, God. Oh, God. Boyle Heights. Boyle Heights, you kicked them out. Fuck. I'm so sorry. Yeah, I apologize to the entire Mexican community right now.

Oh, man. You kicked them out. No, you're... I thought I had such a point. No, you didn't. It's wrong. It's bad. No, it's very bad.

I'm sorry. No, you know, I always wonder when they tell these stories. Because I'm an old comedy fan. And like the Catskilled Days and the runs of upstate New York for comics or perform, whatever you want to call them. Because they were also multifast. They were like a singer and a comedian and an actress and a fucking, juggler you had to do everything yeah who was fucking them off out of broadway though who was running broadway i don't know was it like mayflower elitist uh seriously because i wonder because i always

think about that i'm like who was running the show back then i don't know and i would imagine it would be people with extreme money so it's got to be like um uh yeah uh what is that what am i what's the term i'm thinking of very like anglo fucking wealth you know awesome Yeah, Welsh. Yeah, waspy. That's what I'm saying. Waspy, well, because it wasn't the fucking Irish. It wasn't the Italians.

It wasn't, you know, I mean, of all the immigrants that were in, in New York. Right. It had to been the people with all the money. So it had to be waspy, upper crusty, right? It was ran by something called the theatrical syndicate in the late 1800s. No, that sounds bad. Syndicate sounds bad. Six-man group in charge of theaters and booking.

The power would peak in 1907. So that kind of coincides with talky film coming within the next 10 years. And you know where that that term comes from, Coen sides, Cohen-Sides, Cohen-Jewish. That Cohen-Sy. Yeah. Well, like Delacetessen is German. Yes, it is. It's not a Jewish thing.

Right. But there's a lot of German Jews. There are a lot of German Jews, but Jews just saw it as good business. Like, there's something inherently Jewish about a deli. Right. But then when they came, they were like, oh, and then we can bring some of like the Eastern European Fair and bagels and whatnot, which is inherently Jewish. But they just saw it as good business and then tried to make their own spin on it.

They did a good job. of it. Although I'm going to say something very offensive and awful. I don't give a fuck about bagels and I don't care that people like them. You're not a bread guy. You're fit. You're fit. Thanks. God bless you. I just think bagels are bullshit. I'm sorry.

I know that's offensive to all my New Yorkers but like I don't, I've never woken up and gone, gotta get a bagel. It's a lump of bread and then they go Have you ever had a bacon egg and cheese with ketchup and ketchup and salt pepper on a fucking bagel? I have. And it's just as good on a croissant.

It's just as good on sourdough. It's the egg and the cheese and the bacon. It's not the fucking bagel that you like so much. That's the vessel. I like that. I just disagree with bagels. I think they're bullshit. And also, I've never had one and felt great afterwards.

No, it's impossible. And for people with weak stomachs, the fact that Jews love bagels blows my mind. It's just a gluten bomb. Yeah, we love it. I don't know why you guys like it. New Yorkers love bagels in a way that West Coasters love saying, let's hang out sometime. Fair.

We love it. It looked like Broadway was started by a lot of Russians and Germans that started in the vaudeville circuit. Germans. Wow. Dangerous. Get outside and dance. Okay,

1, 2, 3, let's go. Our backstep kickball change. Our sushi grapevine. For intermission, we're going to sit around and stare at each other. Don't say a word. Just look. Even the Marx Brothers were banned from the vaudeville circuit because they played a show in England before they went over to Broadway Well the Marx brothers were German Jews

I know so I mean they're Jewish right so they were German and they were like we love these guys and they're like we're Jewish They're like mm go to the West Coast Continue on your journey It's pretty interesting like where where you see Jewish people where they've made you know like whether it's it's You know entertainment and storytelling when I was doing Oppenheimer I talked to this Jewish astrophysicist right because I had like five lines in the movie, right? So there wasn't a lot of information. It's a lot for me. In the script. Sure. Yeah. It wasn't, there wasn't a lot of hints in the script of who this guy was.

Sure. And I happened to know this guy, Dr. Brian Keating, who's astrophysicist at UCSD, Jewish cat. And I called him up. I'm like, can you just give me some good, like, water cooler physicist talk, like, just so I can get an insight into what it is. And he's like, here's the thing about physicists. He's like, we're obsessed with the laws of the universe. He's like, and if you're trying to understand the laws of the universe, what you're really trying to understand is the mind of God. And I was like, I don't think I've ever heard anything more Jewish. I know what God was thinking. Like, no wonder we love physics. That's crazy. And we've crushed it in physics. The mind of God. Darkest thing in the world. See, as an Irish person, we're scared of God.

So we're taught to be like, you better fucking live in fear of doing anything. wrong, he's going to know, he's watching, and he's going to hurt you for doing bad. That was our entire childhood. Was like, you fucking better not. You better not. Like, the looming fear that Catholicism did to us as kids was what was detrimental to your health. Like, I remember thinking at night, if I did something wrong, and my mother was upset or my grandmother heard about it and was like, head shaky, I was like, man, is God going

going to fucking punish me forever for this? Yeah. And, you know, the time that I stole someone's bike, I harbored that forever thinking, this is going to ruin my future. And of course, we couldn't have kids. So that's really what it came. And that's where it came from. Yeah. I stole a bike once and God was like, no children for you. You're looking at the pregnancy test. You just hear, 10 speed. You stole the fungus. You stole the mongoose. it was a Dino G-T

B-M-X With pegs That hurts You know I just With that looming fear sucked I hate it It was just so That was a constant thing as a kid

Is that you felt like If you do bad The punishment was real So for our religious upbringing Yeah It was all fear-based Which is why as we get older I think many people lose

They lose Their their connection with Catholicism I'm not, of course, people are. But like, I just kind of lost this because I was like, man, this bullied me into fear my whole childhood. It's interesting because for the Jewish experience, the Old Testament's not big on an afterlife, but our Jewish mothers act as the Catholic arm of the Jewish religion.

Yeah. Because they do that to us. And they go, if you get a bad grade, all life is over. If you wing shame to this family, that's it. It'll put me in the ground. It was like, for real. Like, I was pretty sure throughout most of my life that God wasn't a fan of mine and that if I did anything remotely that brought shame to my mother, it was my life was over.

Yeah. And, like, it was all going to, like, I was going to burn down our family legacy and our ancestors would not be proud of us. Yeah, constantly. It's a crazy thought. Especially growing up in the public eye in that way, I just knew that, like, if I had any semblance of normal childhood, you know, if I felt, in any way that it just was game over.

God, that's terrible. And they learn not to mean, it's not true. Are you religious at all now? I am. I'm pretty, uh, I believe, I do. I believe in God and there's not really like any rhyme or reason to it. I just, because I do 12 step. So I'm like a sober guy.

God is very infused. Yeah, I mean, it doesn't, you don't have to believe in God to get sober through 12 set, but it sure does help. Well, spirituality is how. My, I have family members that are in the program. And so my dad, my dad's in the program. And so I, I heard it for years. But it also was such a different viewpoint of what I grew up with, God-wise.

So it kind of like changed my, my worldview of religion. I'm not, I don't attach myself to any religion, but I'm remarkably spiritual. So I just kind of remove myself from, you know, the religious, you know, the direct sects of like, what you have to believe in this. It's like, you know, we were Catholic as a kid, but then when my mom got a divorce, the Catholic Church basically shuns you. My grandmother almost didn't speak to my mom for a full year. No way. Yeah, she was like, I got to get a divorce.

My grandmother was like, don't you dare. Like, the church will, I mean, we will, you know, we'll kick you out of the church. Grandma came around. Grandma Santino? Pretty tough. Pretty tough. Yeah, and other side, not Santino. The other, no, it was really tough.

It was like, she was really mad at my mom. She was Irish Catholic. And so she was like, you're going to disgrace everybody? You're going to get a divorce? And my mom was like, my husband's going to prison. You know, I think it's a good time for us to get a divorce. And my grandmother was like, you wait. That's crazy, dude.

No, my mom had to do it for the health of me. My grandmother. One of the visiting hours at Otisville. Yeah. Do a conjugal, have another child. You won't even know he's in prison. It'll be for the best. It's crazy, but that was kind of the thought.

So for me, I removed myself from religion when I was a kid because I kind of bummed me out and then got back into it because my parents then would go to church, my mom, my stepdad, not Catholic, of course. They go to just another Christian church. And then as I got older, spirituality kind of popped back into my life. So now it's more important than ever. Just because I don't know, it's it does something. I think when you get older, you know, you've lived through a lot of your, a lot of life out, out in public.

And I think when you live that life, you kind of experience double time, right? Like, you're 60. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, you just, you've lived almost a double. Because you have to give so much and you can't, there's no anonymity really to your life. People are kind of needing you for stuff to look to be a part of a thing. So I think because of that you want some help and some answers.

And that's, I think, what they do in AA too is like, Let's have a little bit of help. You can't do everything on your own. You mean, you guys preach that, right? You say, you know, God give me the power to, come on. God, grant me the serenity. Accept the things I cannot change. Right.

Yeah, man, I just, I'm not good when I'm in charge. Yeah. When I'm in charge of things, when I am like the last stop, the last arbiter of good and bad, it's like I just, data shows. Josh, you don't always make the right move. And the data shows. Josh will fail. Yeah, and it's just, they, it's like an old joke in 12-step of like, if you're just getting sober, like, your best thinking got you a front-row seat in AA.

So maybe you don't know best. Yeah, switch it up. Yeah. Maybe switch time to switch it up. Maybe listen a little. Yeah. You know, because like these people did it and maybe. And look, I never want to sound like I'm preaching because there's other ways to get sober.

It's not the only way. But for me, it was helpful. And I don't know. I find it too with like my wife's grandfather started going to. church every day in his 60s. I don't know if he did it before then. And like I hear that of a lot of people where it's like once you've done the things of this earth, right, you had a career, you raised good kids, like basically all the cash and prizes. Like you look at your life in your 60s and 70s, like the only one to really get right with is God. Yeah. Like that's why I think people kind of go back.

Like you hear Chrissy Dee's mom going to church every day. Yeah. Christmas is like Lynn, God bless her. like I respect because it's like, you know, what do you do then? Well, I think it's also because many people are, well, we all kind of want answers and you start to really look for them as you get older. You don't need a lot of answers when you're young because you think you have them. And then you get older and you're like, I'd like to, I'd like to have some sort of idea of what's my positioning, what's my meaning. You know what I mean?

I think that's what you get older, you kind of want to know. What's my purpose? What am I doing? And it kind of helps a lot of people build purpose, whether it's, through sobriety, whether it's through, you know, a lack of certain things going the way that you want them to, whether it's can't have kids, or you got a divorce, or you never were married, or I think people just kind of want to feel whole so that you go, well, let me find some answers. And I think spirituality helps people get a little bit of a grasp of themselves.

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Again, no, his shit was pretty important. Yeah, but I mean, on the scale of everything, no, who cares, it's fine. Yeah, I mean, like, I always, like, we had Mr. Beast on the good guys on the podcast. And his work is much more important than Mozart. Maybe the most. Yeah. No, but, like, I jokingly, and granted, he's 27, right? But, you know, I mean, his effect on the world, right?

Like, he's trying to help child slavery with the chocolate trade, right? Like, this is his entire chocolate company is so that there's, like, not doing children doing labor, countries, right? Like, he's having such a positive effect on people and places and things that I go, I get annoyed when people want to know when you're going to settle down. I'm like, maybe that's not for you. Right. Right. Maybe you got bigger fish to fry than like having two and a half kids and like living in like a townhouse. Sure. Right? Like you're helping the world. He's doing something. Yeah. So yeah. What do you want him to quit doing something? I'm like hyper focus on that. Maybe you don't need to like worry about the stuff that we

billions worry about it's because we get kind of we get kind of fascinated with this idea that once i get to think i've tied this conversation with many many friends once i get to blank then i will be or feel blank right whether it's money or a promotion or a house or a car or living somewhere i think we do this a lot as humans so we go like well if i had mr beast's money i wouldn't be doing nothing right it's like that's the first of all no because to get to miss people his level you would have to be have the drive to do a lot of lot of things a lot of the time. And it's very, it's, it's, it's, it's antithetical to his being to go, uh, I'm done now. That doesn't make any sense. Right. He wouldn't have got there in the first

place if that was his attitude. Right. And also when you do get to the place, whether it's money, people say, well, if I made this money, I'm good for life, right? Well, when you do get to that place, your life is remarkably different than when you thought about it before. So clearly, that would never be the case. You know, it's like someone in high school being like, To never change. You're like, change a lot. Please change. Change the moment.

Change. Your brain is the worst right now. So like gain perspective. So with the beast thing, I'm always shocked because he will receive ultimate criticism. How could he not? You know what I mean? Like that is going to happen because you're the guy. But I think what's fascinating is now he has like a responsibility, unfortunately, to do stuff.

Yeah. Like now more than ever, you're like, well, you can't quit because you've created something. You do a lot of philanthropic work. You help a lot of people. Now you kind of have to keep doing it. I hate to tell you, but it's almost like it's a good burden to bear. It's a great burden to bear. And like from, I mean, he'll do these things like trying to combat, you know,

child slave labor to, you know, building wells in Africa. Like all. And this is like a monthly occurrence. I'm like, just this alone, like you've earned your right to be on this earth. Yeah. Yeah, more so. You've rang the gratitude bell. Like I always say like giving back is sort of like your cover charge on existence.

Yeah. Right. And I'm like, and you're doing that on a monthly basis. I'm like whatever. And of course the world has criticism because it's what we love to do. Yeah. I'm like your presence is such a net positive for this world. And you're a, you're a mensch, you're sweet kids.

I've heard he's a good guy. He's a good dude. Meanwhile, he's doing all that good, uh, delicious work. And, and Bill Gates is with Russian prostitutes. So we learned, we learned that our, our nerd hero is a pervert. It's so funny. He's like he's a billionaire. And we're doing a lot of stuff with the Gates Foundation. Also, yes, I was with a couple of hookers once in a while.

What are he going to do? It's crazy. It's crazy. He had a company meeting and talked at the company. You know this? He brought this up at the company meeting because they were doing like a, hey, we want to come clean. And he was talking to the company. To have your boss being like, and yes, I made mistakes with hookers.

And yes, I did. It's such an insanely funny thing in my mind. Like tech guys getting talked to by this tech god being like, and I also love Russian horse. What can I? It's crazy, dude. It's crazy. I just feel like, Bill, you know what you should be most ashamed of? Windows is still not great.

It's still not great. It's not good. It's not good. It just wasn't what we thought it was going to be. So many iterations. I know. I've been the Best Buy many times. I bought the upgrade.

I got the CD-ROM. No. And it's just not. Jobs is dead and they're still making better shit from the grave. Yes. It's crazy. It's unbelievable. And Jobs didn't pass the torch, by the way, because I don't know if they've made anything good in a long time, but they're still making good stuff. Apple is the same. These are the same things for how many years?

It's kind of the same. How many years have we had this now? Yeah. It's the same thing. Mine has one less camera. Yes. Yeah. That's where they changed. They actually downgraded. As I went up, they took it away. Yeah. Because I got the phone. I wanted the thinnest phone. The great Robbie Hoffman has a bit about how Steve Jobs would be rolling over in his grave if he saw. what they did with the eye watch.

Oh yeah. This? Yeah. This is what you came up. It's terrible, dude. This thing on your wrist. It's so goofy looking. It's just, it doesn't, he feels like he might have had a different.

Yeah, I wonder what he would have created had that bit. What would be the next iteration of a mobile phone device? And, you know, they worked on those meta glasses and I got sent to the original pair of Ray bands that could take video. Yeah, yeah. And then that was kind of the beginning. beginning of the end to me because I was like oh when meta glasses are real when it's fully integrated in there not just for video and sound I was like we will reach a time when people are talking in

public to know to not you it will just be droves of people near each other speaking to whomever they're looking at in their glasses we're coming baby it's great log in I welcome the end yeah it's well it's here it's already here great yeah you want to be over I listen I always say this about God I'm like whether God exists or not is is above my my pay grade. I just act as if, because I think under this social contract, the rules of this simulation, it works out in your favor. For the most part. Being a scam, I'm not built to be a scoundrel. Like, it's not my thing. I can't excel. I don't excel. Some people do. Is there anything that you haven't done yet that you want to do before you go? Oh, man. I want to try,

I want to, I want to try bignets. I never tried it. In New Orleans. Seems bomb. Isn't that what it is? The donuts. Yeah. They're very good. Did we have those? You've been there, Irishman? Mm-hmm. Yeah, we went down there. On tour, this kid went everywhere. We went everywhere.

You can't, you can almost, I've, I've been to every state in the United States, Sands 4. Wyoming. Wyoming, I've been to. South Dakota. I've never done the Dakotas, which bothers me. There's not a lot of people there. I don't know why I've never done the Dakotas. Okay, two more, two more.

You can get it, I promise. You've been to Alaska. They want to see you. That's funny because I canceled a trip to Alaska. Alaska this past year. We were supposed to go. One more. Okay.

There's got to be a fucking... It's kind of an easy one. There's got to be a Zanis in New Hampshire. Well, New England is easy because when you're on tour as a young guy, you go all over New England. Is there a fucking... Is there a helium in West Virginia?

West Virginia you got to go to go somewhere else. Oh, man. Virginia's are kind of one of those places you're like, well, this is on the way through another place. Right. But there's...

And there's one, and it's easy? Yeah. I figured you'd get it right away The Dakota's so hard Because when you go to the If it's nothing in the northwest Like you already just named Where's the other very odd place to go?

Wyoming, the Dakota's Montana, Idaho Tip it out, baby No, Idaho is wonderful I love Idaho That is fabulous Cordillane Coeurysia Can you imagine anybody? Come on If we start talking about people

Are gonna start going Us in Boise? Please I actually love Boise I fucking I had so much fun. Okay, tip it out. Tip it out.

Think about it. Tip it out. Minnesota, Wisconsin. Tip, tip, tip, tip it out. Tip, tip or gore. Yeah. Where does she live? Our wife.

Minnesota? No, you've definitely been there. I shot my special there. Tip it out. What's the tips? Look at the tips. The tips of the country? Yeah.

Washington? Maine? Maine. But that's New England. You said you what's all the New England. Yes, but Maine is its own New England. Maine is far away from every country. It's Canada.

It's, it's Canada. It's barring Canada. New England is more like, you know, Vermont, New Hampshire. These are all really New England. Maine is, and I'm sure Maine people are gonna be like, fuck yo! And whatever New Brunswick accent that they fucking have.

But they, but it's so weird up there. I used to take boxing lessons from this guy, Macafoli. He was in his 60s. Maco Foley? Maca Foley? Maca Foley. Maca Foley, his record was 65 and 50. and 58.

He threw a couple fights, and he was from Portland, Maine, and he used to say, Macafoli, they call me the Portland deer. I'm from Portland, Maine, where men are men and sheep are scared. He was the best.

Macafoli. Yeah, Maine has this, I just have never, I've never been there, I've never done it. I don't think I've been either. Well, it's a very, I have a buddy from Bangor,

Maine. And he's always like, you've got to go, man. It's beautiful. and I know it's beautiful country, but again, there's no work that I went up there for. Julie the Cat Gaffney is from Bangor Main. Bangor Man is such a beautiful name, too, Bangor. You know who she is?

Julie the cat, Gaffney? Yeah, she was the goli and Mighty Ducks too. Oh! Her character's name. Love. The Flying V. Listen, I made a movie with the director, creator, of that movie series Steve Brill. And I wasn't in a good place during that time, I'll be honest.

Were you using? A little bit. Yeah. A little, just a taste. and I would just make a lot of Mighty Ducks references to him all the time, whether he liked it or not. He did not. He would give me notes.

And I'd be like, do you want me to do this like when Julie the cat stepped in at the end of Mighty Ducks 2? And, you know, like, and did a glove side save that won the game. And he'd be like, you'll never work again. For a while, you're right. For a while I didn't. Do you still, do you know, do you know, Steve at all still? I don't, I know. Like, you know, God bless him.

I'm sorry about that I was. I'm going to text him right. now and tell him that I'm with you and he's going to make more Mighty Ducks references. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, please do. What do you think he's going to say? I tell him I owe him a 20-year-old amends. I'm literally going to tell him that I'm with you and I'm going to say that. Oh, solid.

You should. With Josh Peck. He says, get fucked. Perfect. He says, I owe him a 20-year amends. Okay, he owes him. I'll finish this after the bottom. I'll sit there for an hour texting him.

No, but that, you know, Mighty Ducks was such a good movie. I get doing that as a kid. If I got to work with someone when I was young and bring back my youth. Like, I was obsessed with Batman. Obsessed. Batman won, the original.

Oh, the original. The real one. Okay. And all these young kids like all this new shit. We get in these fights all the time and bad. Yes, the new Batman's are great. Yes. But the original was magical.

Because it was a Burton world. Michael Keaton. Yeah. Danny DeVee. No. Not in the first one? Wasn't the penguin? Jack.

Jack was in the first one. He was? He was the Joker. Wow. It's Michael Keaton. Got it. Jack. Nicholson.

Right. And who was the female lead? Zendaya. Kim, Basinger. Or Bassinger? What is it? This is a family guy joke? Basinga, Basinga.

Basinger? It was such an incredible movie. It was like one of the greatest. Wow. I loved I was obsessed so like you know if I ever got a chance to work with like Burton I'd freak out I would talk about Edward Cisorhands incessantly I would want to ask a million questions I get that I get when people do that you're like how could I not like fairly when I worked with Fairly on that movie it was impossible to not want to say stuff I didn't because it I but I I brought up a few things

dumb and dumb and dumber the my greatest childhood memories were with dumb and dumber me and my friend Sean would sit my mom's basement we rewind the VHS until we wore it out. We wore it out because we'd rewind scenes like 10 times so we could watch them again and again and get the cadence of Jim and get the joke beat

and understand the rhythm of the writing. I watch that movie so many fucking times it's absurd. I would see like little tiny thing like mistakes that they'd make you start to find them all. It's crazy. Like I asked about

because I know Pete notoriously puts his friends in all of his films. He's an extremely loyal guy. So every one of his friends over the years has had like a little piece of every film. And there was a scene there is a scene where in the background

there's a man pissing on the side of a building when they are when they get rob from the little old lady on the cart when they go to get groceries I was like who is that guy and he's like oh that was a high school friend of mine that's funny that you saw that because there was a man just it's so funny he was such a throwaway but he's

far in the background but he's just pissing on the side of a building you see his back and you see him shake off and I was like that had to been and he's like yeah that was a high school buddy and I was like that's so cool to be able to like throw those little pieces in there Oh, that's when comedy movie making was at its most fun. No, comedy movie making doesn't exist. It died.

It's weird. It's just sinners was hilarious. Now that was a comedic power. They just don't exist anymore, man. They don't want them. They're not interested in them. They're all for streamers. People don't want to go to the theaters and sit and watch a comedy and laugh together.

Think so? I know so. You know so. People don't. They just don't want to do that anymore. because of us we fucking ruined it ourselves the internet is comedy all day

every day anytime of the day whenever you want it and it's a an endless stream of like joke comedy comedy meme joke da da da da schatch da da da da da da da da da it's so constant it's not rare so it'd be hard to sell a comedy to a big to a theater audience now

but didn't wasn't that Conan's joke or didn't he say something to that effect like I can't beat a woman walking into a glass door at the grocery store No. Like, he just was like, that's like, and that's what we're bombarded with, like, fail, you know, fail army or whatever it's called. Love fail army.

Yeah, or like just people slipping. Yeah, it's funny. It's hard to beat that. Still is funny. It was funny 10,000 years ago. I'm sure cavemen were like, ooh, and they saw someone get hit in the wiener. Yeah. It's still funny.

Farting is still funny. The simplest things are still funny. So when we try to make these big productions to fight against massive superhero or thriller, comedy was perfect for those at the time that it was the biggest in the theaters because it was kind of a relief from society we all wanted to get we all wanted to laugh together so the comedy boom of film it was because of the culture yeah lauren says that about s and l it's my favorite quote he goes you want to know what's going on in the world watch s nl you may not agree with or like s nl or

whatever but he's right s nl is always commenting about culture and what's happening now that's why it's a fucking weekly show it's happening right now. Yeah. Which I always loved about SNL is like they're talking about it now. You may not like the take, but that's what's happening now. That's what's existing now. Comedy in theaters was doing that. And then the president's on his fucking Air Force One calling a reporter a pig. And you're like, well, that can't be beat. I can't beat him being like, you're a little piggy. You're a, you're a stupid little piggy. That's the president on his plane. I had told you. I had told you. I told you. I told you I was coming. I mean, seriously, you can't beat that. So like, people,

are getting that on the fucking news. Why are they going to go buy a $40 ticket to see in the movie theater? It just doesn't add up. I've always thought, like, I would just love to see SNL if they gave themselves a month. I agree. Might be pretty good. I agree. But you know what the other problem is?

Comedy doesn't age well, usually. And the more time you're able to spend on some of that stuff, I think, ironically, the worse it would become. because you would overthink it to death. But was it built in the 70s on the, we'll just do Coke all week and write this out and bang this out? And they should still be doing that. The problem is everyone's a sober door.

They took the Coke out. They hired a bunch of intellectual, funny, smart, cool young kids instead of coke addicts, dissonance, and lunatics and rejects of society. That was the problem is that the show progressed to a place where they wanted young, intellectual, very smart writing, quick cultured. They used to have it was all the it was the bad news bears. It was the bad bad kids. It was the fuck ups, the fuck ups, the fuck ups, the fuck ups, the show up late's, the not show

ups, the weirdos, the unfortunate looking. I mean, there were some Lauren cast cute people now. It used to be like, uh-go wuggos. I mean, that show had some hideous looking fucking people come across it. The best. And that was what you wanted was weirdos. But now they're selling TV. They're selling Pepsi at the, you know what I mean?

Like the commercials are you want to sell these people. so they got to be kind of good to look at. But didn't they recently, like last week, do something where they surprised one of the performers, like mid-sketch? I don't know. Yeah, and they called it out mid-scale. Like, how they used to do with Stefan,

how they would switch the cards. Except they called it out in the sketch. They put down that the cards were switched, and Ashley Padilla and Ryan Gosling were breaking. It was very funny. Oh, that's good. I think that's going to be the next level, right? Because, like, what's the best, in my opinion?

The best sketch every year is when Joe St. And Che switched jokes. It's by far the greatest. It's genius. But you can't do it more than once a year because it would then lose all of its fun. Right. Yeah. But that, to me, those two bits have the same element, right?

It's like they've now brought the audience in on this, like, surprising of the performers. Like, maybe you can't make it as ultra polished as it once was because... Sure. Yeah, it's... I don't know. I, like, people loved adolescents, right? Which was, like, the show shot in each hour was shot in one take, and it was brilliant and genius. and my feeling was the only thing

that would have made it slightly better would have been edits. Try it. I think that'd be good too. Like Birdman was good. You could have cut it up. We figured away. There was a few ways to slice that up.

Yeah, we figured out a way. I mean, editing is a powerful tool. Editing is sick. Well, editing is the actual secret ingredient for comedy. Truly. A hundred percent. Editing is the secret ingredient for comedy. And live editing, which SNL does sometimes, I mean, does, which they're cutting away.

Yeah. That is a dance in all of it itself. Like, where they talked about, I think Bobby Moynihan talked about the greatest live cutaway ever is anything to Keenan. Anything to Keenan is fucking perfect television, literally. Because even when he's not ready, the fuck up Keenan is just as funny as the, he knows it's coming. It's brilliant. So like that's the truth about the secret, the true secret of comedy, whether it's a special or a sketch or a TV show, the editing is, that's the real magic. And that is it that way on specials too?

100%. It's like you have to be surgical with the edit. Yeah, you do. I mean, look, you could just hold it on a one shot of somebody. But there's something about really good editing in a special that does something for the power of the joke. It does something for the movement of the, you know, and the directing and editing of a special doesn't get enough credit. A lot of people don't know that, but it's hard to communicate that. Americans don't give a fuck.

They're like, I just saw a clip on YouTube for the shorts. Right. You know, and it was a fucking long shot, one shot. Who cares? Right. Because they're just inundated with who gives a fucking slop, just to consume it. So it's hard now to be creative and artistic on a special because I think people just are a little don't. I don't know how much people care as much as much as they used to.

They're like, just give me the slop. Right. Just give me the fucking slop. shove it down my throat. I want it. I want to eat it. On how I met your father, the showrunners were these... He's rubbing it in again.

I'm going to text Brill right now. 30 Epps. 30 Eps. I was only in 13. But the showrunners, Isaac and Elizabeth, who are brilliant, and they had just come off of This Is Us, right? So like five seasons, one hour drama.

I'm like, wow. Never heard of the show. Is it popular? Huge. Never heard of it. Critically loved. Yidge. And so I was kind of like, oh, this must be like, not a breeze, but like this must be a fun sort of relief from, you know, one hour hard charging show. And Isaac said, this is way harder.

And I was like, why? He goes, because it's four cameras and it's a sitcom. He's like, I can't recut this. Right. Right? Like, we're locked. It's got to work on the page. It's got to work in the performance because there's very little I can do to fix this in the edit. I was like, wow, I never thought of it. Yeah, that's scary. Yeah, I give a lot of... It's way more daunting. Cred to the sitcom, the great sitcoms. Well, because you're also saying that this is us was not as good of a show as what you're saying. And that's really what you were saying. Wow.

I was? Yeah. Was I? I love this. It's a great show. Milo Ventimilia. I just met Milo Ventimilia and Jesse Metcalfe, I am their ugly version. Think about it.

Yeah. Not ugly. You're their, they weren't done. Yeah. Yeah, they didn't finish. God left. You're like the 3D printer and it's getting as close as it can. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I get some bad edges. Like, man, we got to fix that thing. Something's wrong with when it gets around to the side. The edge, it's just not the same. The jaws off. Milo, beautiful man. Beautiful man. Cudy.

I know. I did the pilot of that show and I knew that that thing was, I was like, man, so many bangers in the show. Like, so many good actors. Yeah. And the script was good. I mean, the whole thing was kind of a home run. And then he went on, Fulgerman went and did only murders, which was like a couple of home runs back to back.

Fulgerman's a man. He knows what he's doing. Dude, he's a man. He's very aware of what he's doing. I'm a big fan. Yeah. I was in his first movie with Pacino that he directed. Wait, which one?

It's called Danny Collins. Oh, I know. Yeah, Danny Collins. That's right. He wrote and directed, and I had only like three scenes in the movie, but they were all with, they try to keep me in smaller. I'm better in small doses. I'm like microdosing.

like too much and you want to throw up. But all my scenes were with Pacino. We were literally in the middle of a scene one day and Virginia goes, oh. And I'm like, really? I'm like, are you going full Pacino right now? And he's like, I'm exhausted. And I'm like, I bet.

Yeah, you're a hundred years old. I'm like, dude, I don't blame you. Like, take a rest. But he's been working nonstop for his whole life. Yeah, and he loves it. Yeah, he's one of those guys. I feel like he's always doing something, which is fucking crazy to me.

He loves it. Yeah, good for him, though. What else he going to do? It's the best. Al Pacino did say that one of the biggest blunders of his entire career was one of my favorite things he ever did, which was Dunkinichino. That's the best. Are you kidding? That's a blunder?

I think he was very upset by that. It's the best. It's very, for people that don't know about the Dunka, Dunkinca, Dunkin' Dunkin' Dunkin' Dunkin' Dunkin' Dunkin' Donuts commercial in a... yeah the commercial was a fake no it was a real commercial fake commercial in a real movie what was it jack and jill jack and jill yeah samlin adam sandler's movie and i have heard that he said not stoked about doing that that he was really bummed that he did it his assistant told me that his favorite moment with becino was they were it was al and christopher walking were doing a movie together and they're in a scene and during a break they're bringing al stuff to sign off

of Tony Montana memorabilia like Scarface stuff and Walken looks at him and goes you know do you make money every time you know with Tony and he goes of course you know I make money from all of it

and walking goes you know I've never made a dollar from cowbell never a dollar from cowbell it's like Walkin's pissed about cowbell yeah because they do sell that on a million shirts there's more cowbell

on everything. That's so funny. Get walking cowbell money. Can't do it. Can't? Can't? Can you imagine how many pieces of memorabil are out there of any line that Gallifinaccus said from the hangover? They don't, he doesn't, that exists just at every boardwalk shop. Yeah. You know what I mean? That's just,

that's just a part of the culture of America. It's like, well, we're going to sell that. You're not going to see any of that money. No. No. It's just, that's just, you became an iconic character or a thing you did. It's over now. He's got to let it ride. Don't I know it. Well, you're going to be just fine. No. Noseage.

Residg-Wis whatsoever. So break open the SAG-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A. Let me see. I'm doing it right. I'm doing all right, but not in that... Do you like looking at the residuals tracker on the SAG-A-A-A-F-A? Oh, I've done it before, yeah. Once in a while, I crack it open, I just want to see what's going on over there.

And like, $38. I'll take it. I caught once-in-a-while weekly, too. Oh, really? It's a gift. It's a gift. It's fun. It's a gift.

I go, I'm glad I did that voiceover 11 years ago, and $1.89's coming in. It is fun to get a couple of bucks from something fun. That's great. You're going to work for the rest of your life. I'm blessed. I'm going to come and do your podcast. Good guys. You're going to make me drive all the way, all the way out to Bakersfield as far.

Yeah. That's where you do it in Bakersfield, right? We do it in Temecula. Oh, my God. Wine country in Temecula. Well, that's fine. Yeah, Lancaster. I'm going to come do your pod, good guys, because you are a good guy.

You're actually a great guy, and I love having you on the show. I want to thank you for being on the show. We end the show the same way. You look into that camera and you say, say one word or one phrase to end the episode whenever you're ready. Nope. In here, we pour whiskey, whisk, whisk, whisk, whisk. You're that creature in the ginger beard.

Sturdy and ginger. Like vampires, the ginger gene is a curse. Ginger's a fugitive. You only $5 for the whiskey and $75 for the horse. Ginger's, oh, hell now. This whiskey is excellent. Ginger. I like gingers.

Thank you.