Whiskey Ginger with Andrew Santino - KTLYN

Episode Date: July 5, 2024

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This whiskey is excellent. Ginger. I like gingers. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Whiskey Ginger. My guest today is one of my favorite people on Earth. I say that for all my guests, but I mean it once again today. It's Caitlin. No vowels. Plain Jane, alter ego.

She's here. Cheers. Cheers. Thank you for having me. Thank you. Take a little sip. Take a little sip. Take the edge off.

I'm a little nervous. Can't lie. Delicious. Really good for the soul. Can't lie. Delicious. Really good for the soul. The juice. The juice. The glass is even better, though. I know. See, you can have one if you want. You can take it home. I would love that. I love a good souvenir. Alright, so let me start by saying this. For people

that don't know you, fans might not know who you are from my show. I saw you online. I found you. Who am I? Scooter Braun? I found her and I put her in the malls. I saw you online. I found you. Who am I, Scooter Braun? I found her, and I put her in the malls. I found you on TikTok. I loved your shit on TikTok. I was like,

oh, she's so good. And then I was on my way home from the airport sitting in the Uber, and I was just scrolling through all your stuff, and I was like, man, you're really,

really talented. And I hate to say this because it sounds condescending, but I don't find a lot of great female rappers i just don't see a lot there are there are a lot that are out there but not a lot that i'm like oh i really like this style well but so i liked your style and i didn't mean that it's a good car i don't mean it in a back end it's just like there's not a lot of female rappers that i can go oh i really like i like i like i connect with it or I like it. I'll take it. It was great. I appreciate it.

I really appreciate it. When did you start? So I have. Give it all to us. Yeah, I know. So started very young. It's been an obsession of mine. I've been a fan of the genre since I can remember. I actually was raised on more blues, classic rock.

Oh, yeah. I'm the only person in my family that listens to hip-hop. Where are you from here? I'm from San Diego originally. Okay. Yeah. Can I guess? Yeah.

Rancho. Rancho Bernardo. Did I guess it right? Yes. Is that where you're really from? Yes, North County, Rancho Bernardo. Shout out RB. He shoots, he scores. No way. No, I swear to God, I didn't do any research I didn't find. Shut up.

I promise you. I shot in the sky. Wow. Do I exude? Yeah, I figured. North County? North County. I figured North County.

Okay. Yeah. What about me is North County? I'm interested. Blonde, tall. Okay. Very nice. Thank you.

Yeah, you're sweet and affable. Thank you. Right? Like you don't have this like, I might have grown up, but I'm interested. Blonde, tall. Okay. Very nice. Thank you. Yeah, you're sweet and affable. Thank you. Right? Like, you don't have this, like, I might have grown up. What's that little town east of downtown? What's that little? Oh.

God, why can't I think? Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no. I can't think of it now because now I'm. Honestly, I'm. But I moved to, well, here's why, too. I moved to Southern California with a bunch of San Diego guys. Oh, really?

Oh, yeah, like La Mesa. You're not from La Mesa. You're definitely not from La Mesa. I moved to Southern California with San Diego and Bay Area kids, and we all moved to Long Beach together. I was born in Long Beach. Come on. What are we talking?

Belmont Shore? This is getting weird. No. Honestly, I only lived there for five months. I was born, stayed there for five months. My dad was in the Navy. So we actually, I lived until I was two years old in Jacksonville, Florida, I guess. Came back to San Diego because my mom hated it.

Yeah. And the bugs, the weather, she didn't fuck with it. And then I was in San Diego ever since. But born in Long Beach. My mom's from Torrance. Hell yeah, dude. And lived in Torrance. A bunch of my family lived there for many years.

I was just towards the tail end of it. And then San Diego's where you grew up. Because, you know, my best buddy and partner in crime, Bobby Lee, is a San Diego kid. He's from Poway. You know Poway? Yeah, our rival school. He can't get in the, what is it, the Hall of Fame?

Are you in your high school's Hall of Fame yet? No. A notable celebrity? Not even an honorable mention. Nothing? Nothing. They haven't reached out for a fucking thing. What's the name of the high school? Rancho Bernardo High. Rancho Bernardo High. Do the right thing. Stop playing the name of the high school? Rancho Bernardo High. Rancho Bernardo High. Do the right thing. Stop playing around.

Google who's in the Rancho Bernardo High Hall of Fame. Do you know any of the celebrities that went to your school? I'm sure there were some. I honestly only know Blink-182 went to Poway. Yeah, Tom DeLonge went to Poway, right? Didn't he go there? From RB, no. I probably sound so dumb right now. No, what are you talking about but I'm not tapped in on any famous people from RB.

A lot of athletes. Yeah, athletes. Give me some of the athletes that were there. Matt Arizea, a punter. Ooh, got to get a punter out of there. We have a defensive lineman, Eugene Amano. Uh-huh. Hank Balak, MLB third baseman.

Parker Bugg, a pitcher. Baseball's big. Baseball's big. Big. They pull from the RB team. Baseball's big. I guess Tom DeLonge went there, too, but he didn't graduate from there. He just wanted to touch all the bases in San Diego.

He was like, I'm going to go to as many high schools as possible. Right. And also the former drummer for Blink-182, Scott Raynor. Oh, did not know that. Okay. See? Now you're informed, and you're going to get in there. Interesting. Do, did not know that. Okay, see? Now you're informed and you're going to get in there. Interesting. Do the right thing. Okay, do the right thing, Rancho. Put her in.

I don't know why you wouldn't. She's on the rise. Get it in now before she blows up and doesn't want to come back and do it. Yeah, then it's too late. Would you go back and do a show at your high school? Would you ever do that? They asked me one time to do like a 20-year high school reunion, I think.

Honestly, I love that shit, kind of. Oh, you do? I feel like, yeah, why not? Well, I mean, I can tell you why I didn't do it. I don't want to do comedy in front of a bunch of people I graduated with 20 years ago. I do that already when I go play the show, so I was like, in the high school would be so weird for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I definitely, I see what you're saying there now that you mentioned it.

It would weird me out. That's a little weird. Yeah, I couldn't do it. But like, you know, it could be fun for just like reminiscing. Well, you're making music, so it's a little bit different too. I mean, it's a little harder for me to like stand on a, you know, on one of those high school stages, on an auditorium stage. Yeah, so weird.

I guess I'm up there by myself, but still, you have shit going on on stage. It's like you and a mic. That's it. heavily i've always thought i'm like that's gotta be crazy just you microphone silence yeah but that's until they laugh that's why we feel musicians and comedians always kind of have this mutual respect because the balls it takes to start the thing it sucks it's hard totally and then to keep going and then to weave your way through the business because i don't know the music business and i'm imagining it's as complex and and bureaucratic as our business it's got to be a nightmare it is so it takes a lot of balls so i always give credit to anybody who's live

performance it's it's a tough shitty thing to like you know i'm sure i don't know your history well we can find out but like having a job while you're trying to do this other thing and you're working to pay so you can continue and those days where you're like i don't fucking even know if i want to do this shit anymore yeah it's it's a very tough space um it doesn't the music doesn't pay a lot like in general you're making money now though yes but even as a as a massive artist like sure if you're taylor swift if you're drake that's a different story right you're making money off your music but i mean royalties pay 0.003 cents or something like that like it it's crazy um what the music pays but in this new

landscape at least how i came up um or i mean i'm still coming up but how i entered the space yeah um is from social media and you can make a lot of money on the brand side of things sure brand partnerships that helps you fund all the other stuff helps fund the music yeah so that's the move you know when people see me doing like a corny ad or something like that like it's it's how i'm creating the music you're paying rent i'm paying rent with it like the music you know it's really really hard to to not have another job and make music when you're first starting out for sure i mean that's how we I mean, how long have you been doing it now? Um, I dropped my first single in 2020,

but I've been making relationships and trying to get, you know, my sound together. Cause I'm a bit of a perfectionist and I did not want to put anything out until I really had some, um, time behind a microphone and really like honing in on the sound I want to present to the world. So I did that for quite a while

before I got the courage to drop my first single. But I've been circling back to when I started. When I was 10 years old, I wrote my first rap. No! Yes. Do you still remember it? No, I don't. But I think I have it written on a computer paper somewhere.

You have to remember a piece of it. What was going on in a 10-year-old's mind? I think I remember the beat. It might have been a Mims beat, low-key. A Mims? Yeah, you stole a Mims beat? Yeah, I think. What would you think you'd be rapping about at 10 years old?

My gosh, boys. Yeah, it's all about boys. Yeah, and. But it can't be explicit. Things I probably shouldn't be rapping about, honestly. But yeah, just kid stuff is obviously trash, but. No, I bet it was pretty fire. Maybe.

What was the girl? Remember the girl? The Friday girl? No? Oh, my God. Rebecca Black, yeah. Yeah yeah yeah like i remember listening to that and then people you know people got like shitted on that young girl and you're like she's a kid that's what a kid would make exactly well i can't believe people got so mad at that remember

how mad people got you were like there's a child yeah they're like this friday was great by the way it would it went remember when you got off the bus on friday yeah holy shit and the neighborhood was out? Hating on children was at an all-time high on the internet. All-time high back then. Yeah. It was like, if you were a kid, you were bound to catch some fucking shit. You're right.

Thank God I didn't drop that. I say you put it out now. Yeah. Put it out now. Michael crazy. Yeah, Michael off. Yeah, Michael crazy. Well, Drake might love it.

We'll be right back. Oh, fuck. Speaking of, I want to get back into your history, but because we're here, even though by the time this comes out, this will all have been, I bet, dissipated, but who do you have? You have Kendrick or Drake?

Who do you got? You want it real time. Do you want me to give you a second to think about it? Because I'll tell you. For me, Yeah, go ahead. Let's see where the room's well i mean i we him and i this is all we talk about okay because i'm a big hip-hop head i grew up loving hip-hop and um i didn't really he kind of started to get me into commercial rap a little bit more too he's a hip-hop head for how young he is which is surprising but like he's

introduced me to more commercialized rap which i like like current rap, you know what I mean? But I grew up with Tribe and De La Soul, and I'm 40, so it's a different era. But I love a lot of new shit, and Kendrick represented to me kind of stuff that I remember from when I was young. So the nostalgia also helps. Kendrick feels like hip-hop that I remember

loving when I was young. Definitely. So I already loving when I was young. So I already was always on his side. Yeah. So it was harder for me to get on a Drake side because I thought Drake, great rapper, great commercial rapper. Right. Great pop artist. I just, he was never the thing that I like, you know what I mean?

Yeah. Culturally. So I'm a sucker because I already bit into the Kendrick camp. And then when this last shit came out, I was like, well, that's that. That's the beginning and the end of it. Yeah. Culturally. So I'm a sucker because I already bid into the Kendrick camp. And then when this last shit came out, I was like, well, that's that. That's the beginning and the end of it. Yeah. You're going to tell me you're on Drake's side? No. No.

No. Look, I'm from the West Coast. Yeah, you're already biased to Kendrick for sure. I personally have always thought Kendrick's pen is just unmatched. He is such a lyricist. He's one of the best if not the best. Um and similar thoughts look I grew up listening to Drake I actually went to Drake's concert where ASAP and Kendrick opened for him and that's where I found Kendrick and asap at that time so look love love drake for for the hits um you know i actually

like personally love like top 40 like i love it pop music is great i i do but one with with the beef i gotta go kendrick yeah he just kind of just lit him up pretty like lit him up so that beat was so oh my god all of them were great and they were so he had an alchemist beat he had a mustard beat it was so creative it's so good mustard beat sent me back like i'm i'm my feelings it was so good no totally i was like jesus mark my words i'm using that beat. If I ever go on, like, L.A. Leakers or Sway or something, I'm freestyling over that beat. That was so nuts. And I'm a big Kendrick fan.

I'm also a Drake fan. But with the beef, like, I think Kendrick just did his thing. It's just that simple. Use that beat on L.A. Leakers. That's really good, actually. Just stay away. Don't go on, like, Adam 22. He'll, like, he'll bait you into beefing with someone or something like that.

Yeah, that's a little messy for me. They're so good at that shit, man, about making people fight. It's amazing. I can't do beef. No, well, this was the greatest beef if there was going to be current day beef because it's just two prominent artists that are nothing alike, which I've said before bummed me out at the beginning because Biggie and Pac were great because it was almost equal.

This is kind of apples and oranges. I agree. That's why it's hard for me. I think I know who won in the beef. I think we kind of all know who won. The streets know. Exactly. Except for Toronto, bro.

But it also just shows how different hip-hop is now than it was when Big and Pac were happening. How much more commercial, how hip-hop is ruling the top 40 now. And we have a bit

of a sub-genre problem because someone like Kendrick is not like a Playboi Carti or these guys and where that kind of killed the rock genre when it split into a million different genres.

Hip-hop is almost so big of a catch-all that it might cause problems down the line because of shit like this. Yeah, but I think it's healthy for the art in general because it's only getting it more attention from people that, quite frankly, probably don't give a shit about it. So it's just getting more ears and eyes on shit

that people might not listen to. You know, like there's an old white dude on TikTok I follow and he really loves like modern rap and it's so fucking funny you'd like this you couldn't believe he would like it but he tries to rhyme along and it's really really bad but it's genius because you're like there's i would have you've seen this guy i'm sure i know who you're talking but i was like i'm sure he doesn't he i'm sure for years he probably didn't like hip-hop yeah something just clicked with him in the current day. Okay, let's spin backwards. Now that we know that you voted for Drake.

Oh, come on. Come on. Come on. So San Diego, mom and dad still together? No. Okay, yeah, that's why you got into hip hop. Something happened. Yeah.

Dad walked away. Dad went to the beach and never came back. No, no, no, no. I'm going to go surf, Kate. Dad's great. Dad is, dad's my- How old were you when they separated like seven oh yeah that's good yeah that hurt yeah that did that's where that rap

came from you know i had to turn somewhere you know like um yeah just i don't know something about it just captivated me it's just been since i found it like I was like just one of those things I'm like I have to do this and the minute I tried to you know do an Eminem song word for word you know make sure I had every lyric a Jay-z song like I was like I'm pretty I sound pretty good like I kind of had a swag like I kind of knew that you know it's something that I just had a knack for, a talent. Ever since then, I've just been obsessed with it. Did you hide it from your friends? No.

You were out loud about it from the beginning. My friends were... I played basketball growing up. Shooting guard? Yeah. I got it all pinned down. Yo. I can feel it all.

What? What have you been looking into, bro? Nothing, but I'm just saying, I'm just throwing easy darts. For me, it's almost like, you know, when someone's like, I can guess your number. You're like, well,

there's only so many numbers. Two or three, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not going to be a five. Nah. I actually had to play a small forward at my junior college.

Where'd you go to JUCO? Palomar. Shout out Palomar. Shout out Comets. Shout out them Comets. They really came up after I fucking left. Did you finish school or no? Yeah, I did.

You did? Mm-hmm. Yeah. What was the degree in? Psychology. Ooh, dissect me. Go ahead. Piece me apart.

Did you ever want to use it or no? Good guy. Yeah. Great guy. Great guy. I did. I did want to use it. But kind of like, you know, I always knew where my heart was. It was in music. And it was in music. So it was like, I was never going to let myself just like, I guess not have a plan B but i only saw plan a like i every time i tried to picture myself like using my degree or like being a therapist or something like that i just like i couldn't

see it like i always had from a young age just this vision of me being like a famous artist that's great like it's just something that I had this, I saw it and I just, when I put myself in something else, it didn't make any sense in my head. I just like,

couldn't let it go. So I just didn't. That's pretty, I'm going to be honest with you. That's a, it's a hard place to, to get to, but it's cool

if you have that. Like I, you know, when I shot that show, a little, a little Dickie show, Dave, Dickie always kind of

talked like that. Oh, you are? Yeah. Well, you took a shot at him on one of your songs, which I really liked. I did. I did Little Dicky Show, Dave, Dicky always kind of talked like that. Oh, you are? Yeah. Well, you took a shot at him on one of your songs, which I really liked. I did. I did. Loved it. Hey, it's all love, but-

I shoot at him all the time. I tell him all the time. I say, my favorite rappers are black. I say that. He bothers him so much. I figured if I could shoot at anybody- You could shoot at that guy. It's Dave.

Yeah, you could shoot at him. So I figured he was- No, he doesn't care at all. He was the perfect- But he had that same thing about himself. You could call it, you know, confidence. Some people think cocky, but he believed in himself so much, he kind of knew that he manifested his own reality.

It takes a delusional vision to do this. And you are delusional. I am. No, I am Delulu. Straight up. Delulu! I'm Delulu straight up. But it's good.

But you need it or I don't know that you can keep going. Well, in the rap world, right, like comedians are faced with, you know, heavy bouts of like imposter syndrome and anxiety and we overthink. you have to mask that with something because you have to just because the performance has to just you have to emote as a rapper that you're the shit pretty much all the time i'm glad you brought that up we don't have to do that we don't have to be like i'm the shit in fact a lot of us are like i'm shit that's why you like me and you can put it into your bit like i feel like that's kind of the allure to the comedians is like just this self-awareness lovable losers yeah but that's why i'm so was so nervous to come on and i don't do interviews i know podcasts because i'm not that fucking cool like you know i'm not

like you're pretty fucking cool the crew you brought in was great thank you thank you no everyone's but you are you have that cool fact i can be cool like don't get me wrong it's not a facade i have swag but i'm also goofy and i'm not like you know i i i don't exude just like wow like she's so fucking cool you know like i'm a little goofy i'm a little you spit on the cone when you walked in which i thought was a little weird did i what you go? You go, get my bag, bitch. Shut the fuck up. Isn't that crazy she did that to you? It was awesome. But it was very cool. In here,

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It was very cool. that's I wish I sometimes Had that energy though No you don't want to be that person No no Because then You know you walk in Like everyone takes you seriously Like

A little bit A little bit But then they also They also rag on you Behind your back Yeah true Sometimes if you try to If you try to play that thing

Too much You know Most people can see through it Particularly if they're artists Right Like if they're peers of yours They know what's Phony and what's right totally but i'm you know russ actually gave me some great advice he loved us by the way and for those that don't know you guys

have you guys made a banger together oh yeah it's incredible and that dude so talented yeah how did you guys link that record yeah yeah uh off tikt. Look at it. God bless TikTok. And people actually had asked me if it was premeditated or planned, and it truly was organic fan love. Wow. They ran it up organically, and he reached out. We dropped the song, platinum record, top 40. Wow.

All organic. That's how I linked up with him. Cheers. Cheers to that. Appreciate it. That's a great moment it was a moment of my life like it's the moment I had been working for like you're gonna have a lot of those moments I I really hope this seems like just the beginning because

truly when I found you I thought I connected with it I liked it it was so fresh and different and I was like I really I don't know something about it was I just feel like you're on the precipice of a big swing. And if I'm wrong, you can't blame me. That's the good thing. No, it means a lot because I truly just stay in my house and I like, I really don't really go anywhere. You just make music all day? I make music like, and I'm cool with like my cats, home, making music in my studio.

I don't do much. So I do have some imposter syndrome. Like when I do these things it's nice to hear like you know just people like wow I really think you're you're dope and the Russ like cosign was huge like it validated you know me because I get in my head I'm just like am I that good like like can I do this I think we all don't listen to those guys but I try not to listen to those guys um but Russ gave me some good advice and he was like, because during that time, there were some opportunities for, like, maybe going on L.A. Leakers

and doing a freestyle or whatever, and I just couldn't because, actually, I went on tour. Like, he had invited me to open for him. Oh, cool. Like, I had, like, to, to figure everything out. To prep? And prep and, and, and figure it out. That's quick.

So I couldn't make it to, um, like LA Leakers to do a freestyle or whatever, or do an interview. And, um, I linked up with Russ and he's like, yeah, what, why haven't you like gone on anything? And I'm like, you know, you know, I'm scared to be myself. Like I'm really nervous just to be me because the internet is terrifying it's the worst place on earth perception is just like you know it's it's all terrifying but he was just like that's real just say that be you like just say you're nervous say you're afraid to be yourself and fucking just be yourself i think people will fuck with it so i was like you know what take that advice and i took that advice on tour you know i was like really nervous for my first show i had done um the peppermint club i had headlined my own show at the peppermint club

for my first show it was 250 people i sold it out which i was very excited about. And I didn't even know at the time that that's important. They take note of that shit. And I didn't really realize how big of a deal that was to make sure it sold out. But luckily it did. And my next show was on Russ's tour for 9,000 people. And I was just, the night before we did rehearsal, and I was like, I'm fucking nervous, dude. dude like I don't know and he's like well what are you nervous about and I'm like I'm gonna forget the words no because I don't do I I leave my track open like I I keep the main vocal in for the hook

maybe but I leave my verses open and it's just like if I'm not rapping it you're not hearing shit so I was like I'm gonna forget the words he's just like, if I'm not rapping it, you're not hearing shit. So I was like, I'm going to forget the words. He's like, okay, cool. Forget the words. Tell him you forgot the words.

Start the song over. Like they really like, like, like, you know, humility and like being a regular person. Well, yeah.

They like flaws. They like flaws. Yeah. And I'm always trying to be too perfect. No. Well, you're not a robot. Yeah.

You're not a fucking robot. They, you want, you strive for perfection, which is such a good quality to have as an artist, also you know what the fuck we all i mean you know i've i've told jokes twice uh on the same set because i didn't remember what show i was doing and it fucks with your head because you're like god i'm running this new hour and i it happens yeah it's funny you say that for my birthday I was in Vegas, and I got to go see Nas. And this was, oh, God, I want to say like six or seven years ago now.

And it broke my heart because I was a Nas, like, fangirl. I grew up, like, thinking still to this day, you know, I think Illmatic is one of the greatest albums front to back that's ever been made. Probably, in my opinion, might be the greatest. And that's also because big Primo fan who's a buddy huh a little name drop friend of the show we love primo he's the best but also i just that was a i don't know that it was like that was everything to me and then i saw naz in vegas and he had all his lyrics on a teleprompter and it made my heart hurt so much.

Oh, really? And I was like, no, Nas. But I don't know if he was fucked up or if it, I don't know the circumstances, but they weren't. It was old songs. It wasn't like new shit that was like, oh, maybe it's, he'd scrambled, but it bummed me out. And then I thought, man, how human, who gives a fuck?

How human? Yeah. It was the most human shit. I don't think he was really using it at all. It was there just in case. Yeah, a little safety net. But it did make me feel like honestly sounds amazing i was like he's one of us he's one of us when they do like the people magazine when they carry their garbage like celebrities carry their own trash outside really one of us like naz uses his

own lyrics yeah it just made me i don't know a part of me thought how it was weird to see into that window because i was side stage but also kind of beautiful to be like, yeah, human, human, human. Genius still, human. So it didn't change anything. So you know what? You forget your fucking lyrics, Caitlin. You do whatever you need to do. You know what?

I did on tour. You did? Yeah. Did it happen multiple times? You know what? It feels like it's 10 minutes that it's happening. You know what? It feels like it's 10 minutes that it's happening. And I like after every show would like look at all my mentions and like watch the performance.

And I see the exact part where I like it's like maybe one time Big Mad is one of my more popular records. And before I dropped it, I toured it and got the reaction from the the crowd and it was always the best song in my set every night and i did the first or the second verse first and then did it again right so but no one knows like yeah why would they one the song wasn't out two like who gives a fuck like they i was still rapping i just fucked up the verses and't out. Two, like, who gives a fuck? Like, I was still rapping. I just fucked up the verses. And I look back and it, like, it looks like nothing ever happened. Like, the way I, like, handle it. But in my head, on stage, I'm like, oh, my God. Like, what do I do in that split second?

And then you just figure it out. It worked. I had in-ears, so I was able to hear like i leave my ad libs in oh you do and doubles um so i was able to hear like what word was doubling in my ear and i was like oh i'm on the wrong fucking part of the song but honestly no one i did that a couple times like forgot a word here there but like no it was it was really nothing do you have a little bit of this when you're on stage do you have a little drink with you yeah uh i did but i had so on my rider i had a tequila um patron oh and it was oh i just didn't my rider is like nothing like i'm like what do you mean hilarious well i'm just like i didn't even know what a rider nothing like i'm like what do you mean hilarious well i'm just like i didn't

even know what a rider was like i'm like water like what i guess like what the fuck else they're like do you like any snacks like or drink and i'm like i mean not really like i'll get it myself right we're the same we're the same way i don't want all that bullshit i'll bring my own goldfish like it's all good but um yeah i I did ask for some alcohol and beers. I love, like, a Mexican beer. Ooh, what are we talking? Corona? Corona or Pacifico.

Pacifico. No Modelo, huh? Sometimes. Okay. Modelo is definitely on there. Okay. But for my rider, I think it was Pacifico. And so I had Patron, like, every night.

And not, like, to an extent of, like, I'm getting drunk, just a shot before I go on. Like I just needed it, warm me up a little bit, like just loosen me up and I cannot go near it anymore. Really? No. So tequila in general or Patron? Just Patron. Fuck Patron. Just Patron.

I really learned like just the taste of Patron. Fuck Patron. Just Patron. I really learned, like, just the taste of Patron. It just, now it's just so salty, and it is flavorful to me. Like, it's just something that's just, like, distinct. The smell. Are we talking Blanco? Yeah. Blanco. I can smell it a mile away, so I can't do Patron anymore, but all day every day. Okay yeah she goes to the

top shop that's so funny. She's like I can't drive a Honda anymore but there's something about these Benzes that are so nice. Yeah. Yeah you went from fucking whatever to 42 is the top. I would have loved 42 but that was on Russ's rider. Might as well. So I got a little bit on

tour here and there. Yeah we try to keep it pretty even when I tour with the guys. When I tour solo, it's a totally different thing because for me, I don't have anything on the rider. I don't really give a shit. I also kind of, I don't know what mood I'm going to be in that day. So sometimes I eat before the show. Sometimes I eat after the show. I don't want anything back there besides water because I know my fat ass.

I'll just snack on bullshit. 100%. I'll snack on whatever the bullshit's. We have bags of popcorn. Sometimes they give us like, sometimes they like a local restaurant will like want to come and be like, hey, can we bring you food?

And every fucking time, even if we've just eaten, I'll eat again like a little pig. And it's like the most embarrassing shit because I can feel myself judging. And there's always mirrors in the dressing rooms. So you're watching your little fat ass eat in front of the mirror.

They're everywhere. I fucking hate it. They're fucking everywhere. So I'm seeing myself being like, you fucking fatty. Don't do that. A hundred percent. I hate it. It's best I probably didn't have much on it because I'm that way too.

Snacky. And I'm nervous too. Like goldfish is like the ultimate nervous snack. You're just nonstop. You said that twice. You love goldfish. I do. I fucking love.

If you want to name your next single, I'll bring the goldfish. Honestly? Because I think that's fucking fly. On brand. I'll bring the goldfish. On brand. Flavor blasted. Ooh, flavor blasted. think that's fucking fly. On brand. I'll bring the goldfish. On brand. Flavor blasted. Ooh, flavor blasted.

So good. Come on. So good. Yeah. What's up with the rainbow goldfish? What are we selling here? I think it's like- Is this a marketing ploy?

Baked, no, like, you know what? They taste the same as the other ones. Pretty close. They're pretty close. They taste a little healthier to me, but I don't know. They do, but are they healthier? There's no way, right? I don there's no way right i don't think it's gotta be the same shit yeah but it's good they're not that bad it's not it's not you don't have to feel that bad about it it's my go-to i'll bring the goldfish caitlin that's fire tell me where plain jane came from because i love when i saw your i when i saw

that video of you talking about call Me Caitlyn or Plain Jane, I loved the name Plain Jane so much. Thank you. Yeah, so I obviously went with my government name, Caitlyn, partially because my brand and just vibe is very authentic. It's just been me. This is what you're getting always, all the time. I'm relatively no different unless I'm a little nervous.

I might talk a little bit more, be a little more bubbly. Like in, you know, when I'm home alone, I'm a little bit more chill and just like relax. But yeah, I, I kind of just needed a little different of an outlet alter ego to tap into I felt like being too connected to my name and who I am just like I could I didn't feel like I could ever step outside of that box like it had to be very authentic to me my own experience my own you know life lessons and things like anything I was writing about felt like it had to be me and which is great and I still keep it that way but I also just wanted potentially a an alter ego maybe I could venture genre wise and maybe have like an artist plain jane spotify artist page where I drop under there and it might be something a little bit

different. But I came up with it based on the fact that, you know, a lot of people looking at me face value, call me like a basic white girl, like very plain white girl, California, California girl, just plain and just like basic. And I'm like, let me just lean into it, you know, and just like basic and I'm like let me just lean into it yes you know and just be like okay yeah like that's my vibe and plain Jane just felt cool it has like a little you know sauce to it because yeah it's it's the plain Jane that that's who I am like if I'm getting a watch sure maybe a bust down like here and there but like i like a classic just like no diamonds just like okay playing you know so also it just felt like yeah it just felt um cool and just a little bit uh playing into the the thing people like to jab at me right now so so you'll take and throw

it right back out yeah it's like i don't really care. I think you do a whole album about playing Jane and have every song be like, you know, shit like doing the dishes, cleaning my cats, a fucking litter box, you know? It's real. Yeah. Put it right back at them. I did that today, right before I came here. How many cats do you have? You said cats.

Two. Okay. Two is the limit. You know that, right? Yeah, no, I know. Three and then I'm crazy. Don't we all know two is the ceiling? Two is pushing it.

Well, let them play together. That's fine. I get that. You know, one gets lonely. Give is pushing it. Well, let them play together. That's fine. I get that. One gets lonely. Give them a friend. But three? Three enters a world of we're worried about her. Four is, oh, she must be running a small organization out of her apartment.

Right? Five and above is like you might be making bombs. You're planning on killing somebody. One hundred percent. I cannot venture. They're going to be in your freezer. You know, they find them in these women's freezers. You know what?

Remember on that show? On Hoarders? Hoarders, yeah. She had them in the fucking freezer. Did you ever see that? Oh, I've seen Hoarders. This woman kept dead cats in the freezer. That I can't.

She's like, I couldn't let them go. I can't. When we moved into our place, our old place, my dog would always dig under one of these bushes in the backyard. Always. And she digs all the time so like i didn't think anything of it then she kept like she would really get aggressive and then she'd be like um territorial like i'd go by it and she would kind of get all weird about it

and i was like what the fuck is she doing and then one day we she i went underneath there because i can't i've like sneaked underneath there and i saw all the bones the people that lived in our house before they had cats a lot of fucking cats. Because when we moved in, I wanted to torch the place. It was fucking, I mean, they must have had 10 cats in that fucking house. And there were bones. They had buried all their cats in the backyard. Oh, my God.

Yeah, yeah. So we made a nice bones marrow stew for a couple of weeks. It got dark. It was so nasty. It was nasty. Yeah, there were so many bones. The dog kept bringing up bones. And I was like, they must have buried a dozen cats in the backyard of my house.

That's crazy. Yeah. So they were lunatics. I can't cross over. I'm not going to lie. I would love 20 cats. No. No, I would.

Caitlin, we can't. We can't. I can't. I can't. That just for, you know, like optically. Two is the ceiling. It's just not, it's not going to work. But I'd be worried about you at that point

yeah I'd be worried about myself as well and the music would suffer oh 100% I'd be cleaning a litter box all day well isn't there something about

or I'd hire somebody look that up isn't there something about what cats pheromones do isn't there like a fucking does it do something

yeah it fucks with your brain oh my god there's something in like cat saliva maybe that's why I'm a little off. Yeah, no, 100%.

Yeah. I was going to say that when you walked in. Then I'll be... You know, Kylie Jenner, I think she has, like, a whole, like, dog pound of those... I don't know the breed. The skinny, long muzzle. They're like racing dogs. Oh, you mean, like, a greyhound?

Yeah. She has a bunch of those. She does? Like, at least from what it looks like, there's like at least six to ten, maybe. Well, see, look. Too many cats, crazy. Too many dogs. Makeup line.

But she has somebody probably taking care of them. A hundred percent, yeah. She doesn't know where they are. You know, exactly. And it's like, I really would just be scooping 20 cats shit. Scooping cat shit all day? Yeah, like. What is that cat thing?

There's something about their saliva that affects people's brains? Yeah, could you put me on? There's something called toxoplasmosis. Yes, toxoplasmosis. Yes, correct. This is a real thing. Is it...

It's in their spit? Tell her what it is. It says... Well, this says fatal attraction phenomenon on humans. Cat odor attractiveness increases for

toxoplasma-infected men while decreases for infected women. So maybe you're in the clear. You might be in the clear. Yeah. Okay. I don't know, though.

Then I'm just weird for no reason. Yeah, yeah. So... Yeah, you're like people that live up in the mountains. Like, if you ever go up to, like, Aspen or, like, Breckenridge and all that stuff,

you ever go up to the mountains and you see people in the off-season, like in the summertime, and you talk to the locals, and shout out, because we had family up there, but man, those motherfuckers are strange birds. I mean... Mountain people are... Because the elevation, the out because we had family up there, but man those motherfuckers are strange birds

But mountain people are because the elevation the blood the bloods way thinner, dude You talk to people up there and your elevation fucks me up. It does it does yeah, and before get performance fuck up from it Yeah, I just wanna you get drunk so quickly so fast like Incredibly fast I love which is great right? It's cheaper. Yeah. It's more effective. And you get way more fucked up. But you get a little fucked up up here. Dumb as a rock. Yeah, you get a little dumb.

Yeah. But that's okay. Yeah, so it's fine. I'm a little dumb. He's very dumb, and he's made a career out of it, which is incredible. I mean, I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed,

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But we're dumb in other areas Yeah In our regular life execution Sometimes can be dumb Because you're focused on art Or something more important to you Are you a single girl? Are you married, engaged, dating?

What are you doing? Who are you? I keep that a mystery. Good. You should. You know? You do what you need to do. I like to keep, you know, I keep, I have to show up a lot online to try to promo my music.

Yeah. So I try to keep some sort of allure in mystery. That's good. Maybe, maybe not I'm having fun you know, I like to have fun that's my answer I get it, I get it

you do whatever you need to do and you're on the road I'm not married you're not married, right but the blogs have it all, they do say that every city, you fuck about five guys that's what they say online I do the blogs have it all they do say that every city you fuck about five guys that's what they say online is that i wish the blogs would write about me they literally start it up they refuse no no that you're you're on the come up now and i think that

everyone's going to start paying more and more attention you i mean you can you have to be able to feel it when i saw you online and i reached out to you i thought i feel like you're on the precipice of something of you know i feel like the growth is there and i could be totally fucking wrong you just who knows what the road leads but it feels like you're this is this is come i feel like it's coming for you right i think so i mean i'm biased to myself yeah but i do think i i'm a fresh talent. I mean, I feel like... You don't look like anybody in the game right now. Yeah, like I'm different.

That's a good thing. I'm different and personally think I'm dope. So it's like I think people just need to find out. I think meeting with Russ, like, and being under like his wing, like, you know, he got to know me and see my music and, and, you know, how involved I am in the music making process. And he was like, you just need the right song and you're out of here. Like, it just comes down to the right song, the right, um, you know, the right one. And I've had, you know, I had that moment with him with Handsomer. I had a great follow up record with my song Big Mad. But, you know, I'm here. I clearly,

you know, got to prove myself, like keep going, keep being consistent. And I think the right song will all make the right song. And hopefully it'll take me to that next level. But I mean, you will also because, look, look, as long as you keep working at it, it'll find itself, probably in the way you least expect, to be honest with you. Yeah. That's kind of how it always goes.

It's how it always goes. Like, Handsomer was super unexpected, honestly. Like, I, it just was a, the fans loved it, and I didn't even really put that much thought into it. Well, don't tell them that. She worked diligently on it for months and months and months. But that's how some of the best records are made.

Sure, when it just comes out. Yes, it's just like, boom. Do you make the music as well, or do you have a producer that you usually use? I usually use a producer, but I'm heavily involved in production as well. Like, I think a lot of people think, you know, the making of a record or being a producer is you have to know how to press all the buttons. Right. And it's like that's just one um to keep the the movement going and what instruments to add like picking a specific 808 a specific horn a specific like yeah you know instrument that is the exact sound you're looking for like there's thousands of 808s like you gotta know which one is like the right one that's gonna to make the track smack.

I'm super involved in that way. Obviously, writing. Well, you do all that. For those of you who think I have a ghostwriter. Do you get called out for that? Do people say that you do? Really? Oh, yeah.

Why? They're like, this white chick isn't fucking writing this shit. I write my own music. I literally am alone in my bedroom. I write my own music. I literally am alone in my bedroom. I write my own music. I collaborate with people too. Sure. Like,

we'll run sessions where I'm with two producers and a bunch of people, friends, mainly friends. Like, I'm just with friends. Friends that are also in the game?

In the game. Yeah. We'll make music together, but yeah, I write all my own stuff. Like, that's how I got here. Otherwise,

like, what, I'd be waiting on somebody to make some shit like I can't I don't have time to wait on anybody you don't feel like the industry has got you are you on a label no good no I'm independent stay free baby yeah I'm independent I've done this all independently so good for you and even if you do get on a label whatever works for you whatever works I think just doing it independent at the beginning is so much better because it's just i don't know

there's something about it that's there's more organic shit coming out of people when they're 100 and you know i think um artists who sign right off the bat to a label, get signed, and then there's everybody that's a part of that label taking care of all the aspects of the business for them, right? It's not just creative. I run a business as well. So you have to, there's a lot to learn. And if you're dumped from that label or they drop you and they're uninterestedested now you're at square one you have no idea where to go you have no idea how to market yourself you have no idea how splits work how deals should look how you know there's so much back end to the music industry just how to collect your royalties like publishing is a whole nother world nobody teaches anybody nobody they

don't want to they don't such a dark they don't want to teach anybody that is so dark like it's very dark they don't want artists to know anything they're never going to do a bad deal they're a business themselves they're never going to do a bad deal so no artist is unless you've built leverage for yourself where you can partner with a label where it's like, okay, like maybe we 50-50 partner, but you know, you don't, you don't want to get yourself borrowing a bunch of money and you're in the hole and you, you can never make money off your music. So, you know, I think being independent, I'm so happy that I've had to work my way to this point independently because I know and I've learned so much that if I do partner with a label down the line, one, I'll know who's supposed to do what and what it's supposed to look like. Sure.

You know what I mean? Yeah. They could say a bunch of things they're going to do, but I need to see it. Like, show me. Show me the money jerry yeah and it's like yeah and two if it weren't to work out i'd be fine like i could go back to doing what i know and and know how to push my own music and you know grow my fan base and honestly that's all you need yeah you need you need the fans you need. You need to know how to push your music and garner a fan base.

And if you can do that, like, you know, at the end of the day, labels are a bank. Big time. And, you know, they are. They're taking interest on that ass. Yeah, exactly. They're taking interest on that ass. Those advances, they look nice, but man, oh, man,

are they getting that fucking money back. It's crazy. And, you know, yeah, are they getting that fucking money back it's crazy and you know yeah at the end of the day it's like they can help you and i'm not trying to shoot myself in the foot here you know but like they can help you become famous right like famous put you in blogs get you a rolling stone tons of press events, like, you know, but that, that if that's what you're after, then you're probably not suited to be an independent artist, because there's a threshold, they're not going to let you on the red carpet. It's like, and they might if they like you, and they're a fan of you. But you're not, you're not in the system, you're not getting're not in the system you're not getting you know pitched for a bunch of shit so

and look I can hire my own PR I can do all that myself and not have to borrow from a marketing budget and pay interest on it right but at the end of the day it's like a lot of it is just um for looks and you know uh fame and that's not necessarily what i'm here for i'm here to get people to listen to my music like and that probably sounds cheesy but it's like that really is what it's about i don't need all of that and i'm not saying i can't do it i'm not saying i can't do a red carpet or can't do the glitz and the glam like i'm not going to just freak out and hide in a corner, which, hey, that's cool too. But I just don't feed off of that. That's not what I'm after.

And so independent works for me. Yeah, you're doing it for you and it works. And it's going to continue to work if you have that mentality and it goes through. Exactly. It's like if it happens, great, but I'm not after being the most talked about, the most well-known. If that happens, amazing. Yeah, then you won't text me back. Then I'm like, hey, you want to come back on the show?

That's one thing about me. Block, delete. Anybody who has tapped in early, and I hope y'all are listening to this. If you tap in early, you're good with me for life. Oh, really? Locked for life. Locked for life. really for i'm locked for life locked for life i can't forget it i'll trust you on that because it's been hard to get people to believe in me well yeah i mean that's it's the hardest thing at the beginning is that and also then

you know because you want to reach for these things like who to you would be okay i want to who's your dream person to collab with? And then who is the most unlikely either influence or person you'd want to collab with? Who do you think we couldn't imagine that you'd, like who's your, you know, I hate to say that, what do they call that when it's like your guilty watch? Which I fucking hate. Yeah.

Because it's like, that's partly who you are anyway. Who is somebody that we would never predict, but you're like secretly I would love to work with so-and-so? Ooh, okay. Well, let me start with Dream Collab. There's a lot of them, okay, obviously. Yeah. But I'm going to go with Doja Cat.

Oh, she's great. Doja Cat is just— Listen up, Doja. She's just— She's watching the show every week week so she'll be watching the show she's just the best to do it and is so unique her sound is so versatile i mean her writing is crazy her tone delivery so talented her look i mean that is like the ultimate goal of like what I'd love to be as an artist. But she has more of a cool factor than me, for sure.

She's a little bit more, you know, unique in that sense of style and things like that. That's branded and built over time. True, true. You will probably be the same. Maybe I'll come into that. I would imagine so. But that's a dream collab, one of them. come into that i i would imagine um but that's a dream collab one of them but i'd say right now that's like for sure i can't that that's that's who i'd love to collab with but an off the off

kilter like let me think who'd be somebody that you that would be like oh that's so random it doesn't have to be a hip-hop artist either. It can be, you know what I mean? It can be, you know. I mean, Kendrick did Taylor Swift, right? Mm-hmm. You're right. I still can't get over that. That is the wildest shit to me. It's like such opposite.

I would have never been able to find, other than the fact that she's the most famous fucking person on earth, obviously, but I always would, I would have never thought that that would be a thing that they would meet. You know what I mean? Yeah. Maybe it also, we forget about, even like with like Drakeke and obviously i side with kendrick on the whole thing but like hip-hop was commercial before i mean like obviously like it started in 73 but the first like couple tracks that came out before the message like that's the joint funky

four plus one the original uh sugar hill stuff it's all just like fun party escapism yeah it's still is you know party music still it's still just about that. It's still like celebration of culture. You're saying hip hop is Taylor Swift? Is that what you're trying to say? You're trying to say that hip hop in its core... I'm saying Taylor Swift is the greatest hip hop artist of all time. That's what I'm saying. She won the Drake and Kendrick beat. Taylor Swift, greatest hip hop artist

of all time. Period. Incredible. Period. And Beyonce's the best country music of all time. Period. Fuck all's the best country music of all time. Period. Fuck all you country fans that don't like it. It's the best country music album I've ever fucking heard. And Drake is the best babysitter Canada's ever seen. That's right.

That's right. So who's the, who's the, who's the, uh. I, okay, here's the thing. Give me left field. I don't know how left field, I think if you look at me and you would put us in the same room on the same track you'd be like what the fuck but it's also the genre i'm in so it's not really like that weird but like imagine me and lil wayne in a music in a music video i see that but like that feels like with

my tall white girl like like for me that'd feel like crazy Wayne would be king But genre like that feels like You know We could do something I'm trying to think of someone left I don't know I feel like if I say a pop star They'd picture me on a pop star Well maybe

Like you said at the beginning of the show You grew up liking blues a lot Oh okay Soul music you like soul music No one's Like you said at the beginning of the show, you grew up liking blues a lot. Oh, okay. Soul music? You like soul music? No one's... Shout out to my mom for this. She's going to love this.

But I love Johnny Lang. Are you familiar with Johnny Lang at all? Yes, yes. He's... Is this your mom's favorite artist too? One of them. Yeah. But I just...

Something about that man's voice. Sure. I think that that's left. That feels left. That feels very different, yeah. That'd be cool. Or like. Your mom's so proud right now.

Oh, she's fucking loving that. Caitlin, that's exactly what I want from you. Or like. You and Paul Anka, you know what I mean? She's throwing out these. Like, yeah, I don't know. Something in that genre of like classic rock or like, I don't know some something in that genre of like classic rock or like i don't know my dad would who would he throw out who did your dad listen to when you were young

fucking rage against the machine oh really like that yeah wow yeah dad yeah my dad's a rock how old is your dad now uh 50 four yeah that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, that does sound right. So, yeah, big, big. It's so funny, the gap of how old my parents are, and I think, like, my dad in Raging Against the Machine, it's like, my dad would be like, what the fuck is this shit? Yeah. He would hate it. Something like that.

I grew up on Sam Cooke and all that stuff. My dad liked Carolina Beach music and soul, and soul and he yeah it's so funny i rock for my parent like rock was near my parents generation in terms of you know the 70s but my dad was an old soul he loved old school shit he didn't like any newer he does now but that that's the gap jump my father made he knows my dad well my dad likes old soul music and then he likes fucking miley cyrus that's not kind of my mom like like he loves old soul and then he's like this is fun exactly she has such a range of who she likes like now she's super up on both like she's so into teddy swims right now and yeah i i i showed i was gonna say do you influence or this is you i was like I'm like if you like Johnny Lang or like bluesy like he has like a bluesy sound to him like yeah there's a rock like yeah like a rock vibe

yeah sound um you're gonna love and now she just non-stop like won't stop that's great but maybe something like that that's a little left but honestly nothing in my head I love I love a wide range of music hip-hop's my first love. That's everything to you. That's everything to me. But I'm pretty musically talented, so I feel like I can do other things if it called for it. Can you play a lot of instruments?

I play the drums. Wow. Randomly. Drums is pretty rare. I played guitar as a kid, but it never stuck. I just wasn't that good at it. Yeah, you didn't want to sing Dave Matthews at a frat house or anything like that? That didn't want to be your future?

Yeah, my family would love that, honestly. I said that because I ran into a couple of college buddies last week, and I remember this one dude we went to school with, he was really good at guitar, but he would get just coked out of his mind at like a, at like a house party in college. And he would be like, oh, just fucking strumming this, bleeding from his fingers, playing like Dave Matthews band.

I was like, dude, what world are we living in? No, not, not my thing. Um, but yeah, uh, I can mess around on the drums. I'm not, I'm not really that like instrumentally talented but as for I'm a good writer I write well

that is your music my music is writing I'm lyric driven don't ever ask me to freestyle I get stressed I sweat

that's such a weird thing to put on people it's a weird well this is my thing about freestyles online now. When I was a kid, freestyle was genuinely a freestyle, right?

And now that's long gone. I grew up freestyling. Yeah. And it's a muscle, right? Like I was good then because that's all I did was freestyling with friends or whatever. But once I got my pen, put my pen like like to the test like I totally abandoned freestyling because it just wasn't near as good well a lot of guys now are doing written shit anyway that's what's yeah that's what's a little weird for me because it's like I loved hearing freestyles when

I was younger and then when you find out a lot of guys in the newer world they write and that's part of this whole freestyle but it's a verse that you already wrote. I don't know. It's a weird thing for me. It feels like to me in standup, we have guys that are only joke writers and some guys are only crowd work guys. Oh, maybe there's a freestyle element to comedy. Oh, crowd work.

Crowd work is all freestyle. Right, right. But a lot of guys that do a lot of crowd work, they kind of use the same bits over and over again. So that's another, it's a very similar field. It's like the same kind of thing. Totally, yeah. But I don't like doing crowd work they kind of use the same bits over and over again so that's another it's a very similar field it's like the same kind of thing totally yeah but i don't like doing crowd work anymore because i'm too old when i was when i was 25 i fucking talked to everybody i don't want to talk to these fucking guys anymore i just want to have fun with you and give you the

jokes that i wrote i want to interact sometimes but i don't want to belittle someone that came to the fucking show and i don't fucking give a shit i'd rather just tell you the joke i wrote 100 just let me let me fucking spit you the song you know that exactly and trust me it'll be better yeah you'll want to hear that over my basic ass bars that are coming up off the top of my head like most freestylers you hear like people can respect it because it's off the top right but they're it's not they're not great like they're usually some of them are pretty impressive and then some are like harry mack harry mack is un-fucking-real that is he is untouchable he's so good actual talent that is incredible he freestyles how i write and think for that long. You know, like, he's so witty.

Like, that's just not most people. No, no, he's a rarity. But it just depends. But that's not me. I like to write. It's therapeutic for me. I like to sit down, think of, you know, like, the direction I'm going and things like that.

It's just more artistic, I guess. Do you have a dream venue? Yeah, I do. Definitely. I mean, I would love to do the Hollywood. Well, I technically did the Hollywood Bowl, but I'd love to headline the Hollywood Bowl. Right. That's a big that's a different. I came out with Russ for the Hollywood Bowl on tour and I opened. But obviously, it's different when it's your own show so I would love to do the Hollywood Bowl. Was the sun still up when you were there? Yeah. I hate that show.

It's tough. I've talked about that on this show. It's tough. I've seen bands that I, I've gone to see a band open and the sun was still setting and we didn't even want to see the fucking headliner and I was bummed because it's like sun in your eyes, the sound is shit it's not there yet. It's tough.

The night needs to settle before that show. The vibe is not there. People aren't in their vibe yet. No, they're going to get a hot dog, going to get a glizzy outside. Exactly. They're like, you know, walking around. I hate that. It's distracting a little bit.

There is one show on tour that I remember at like sunset and it was in Toronto and it was a beautiful, I hope it was Toronto. I'm pretty sure it was Toronto. Outside. And it was, I think Budweiser something, some Budweiser theater. Hell yeah, buddy. But the view of the water with the sun hitting and that was my view as I'm performing. I was like, this is great. I loved that but the most

not every show was still um light out um because my time varied based on how late the curfew was or how late you could go right um so if we could go later we essentially pushed it back as late as we could and if we had like an earlier earlier time that we had to be finished by, I would go on in the broad daylight. I fucking hate that shit. Budweiser stage. Budweiser, the Budweiser stage. It was so, it was really cool.

She's back in the six. She's talking about Drake again. Guys. Dude, see, she keeps going back to Drake. She's back in the six. It's crazy. Caitlin, we've got you pinned, Caitlin. I'm West Coast.

Come on, I'm West Coast. I know, I know, I know, I know. We're giving you shit. We're giving you shit we're giving you shit I love it I love it who's your okay corny question but real one

who's your top five or give me top three just give me a few and it doesn't have to be in order and everyone gets asked this but I do want to know because I want to know if you have a sneaky name

or something in there okay are we talking like all time artists yeah dead or alive doesn't matter whoever you loved like i'll give you i'll give you time to think in this regard where we talk about this all the time okay in the comedy space there's always guys that i named that like maybe you know like there's a guy named greg giraldo who passed away i don't think you know who that is but he was one of the one of my favorite of all time okay but like he's in my

top five and people might be like well i didn't even get to live long enough to like legend out the top i don't give a fuck he's one of my top so with that in mind dead or alive doesn't matter how long they were in the game how famous they got who is it okay one of them i just have to go off top be Beyonce. Beyonce, sure. Done. Easy. Lock it in. I've never. Final answer.

I've been to every tour. Every tour? Every tour. Wow. Since she went solo. You could have bought a condo with all that fucking money that you spent on those things. I mean, from what I know, she's like Taylor Swift tickets. The same kind of shit.

Yeah, yeah. You got it. Like a cheap ticket's three, four hundred bucks? Yes. It's fucking bananas. And you want, but the way she. No, no, no. I get it. It's worth it. Yeah, yeah. Like a cheap ticket's three, four hundred bucks? Yes. It's fucking bananas. And you want, but the way she... No, no, no.

I get it. It's worth it. I get it. It's worth it. She's one of the greatest artists of all time. So Beyonce has always been at the top for me.

The big B. In the... Okay, if we're going longevity... Sure. Any way you want to go. Longevity and just icon, Nicki Minaj. She's incredible. Been a fan since I was younger and still a fan.

Yeah. And she's one of the greatest to ever do it. It's a fact. Beyonce, Nicki. That's Beyonce, Nicki. Let's throw a guy in here. You don't have to. No.

Stick to the women. Let's do it. Because the guys need help. I am personally going to go with Wayne. Lil Wayne. Yeah, Lil Wayne. Greatest rapper alive, in my opinion, doesn't get better than Lil Wayne. I like that.

I'd say those are my top three icons. Now, the list gets longer. There's more, but I'd say those are solid. A lot of Drake collaborators, we'll say. Yeah, she does like people who

collaborate with Drake. Do you notice this? We go right back to that. She loves Drake. Yeah, we did. So we were right. I guess the high school. I guess the position of basketball. And I guess that she's Drake. This has never been a gotcha show, but kind of is now. I know. Oh my god. The subliminal influence that he's done to me. The fans know that we're just kidding. It's all good. Honestly it's all love. I love Drake's music. I know. We know. His music is great. I know. I know. We're not trying to catch you in anything. It is very funny, though.

Those are big collars. No, they are. But Wayne, undoubtedly. Kendrick, Kendrick, Kendrick, Kendrick. He's the king. Wayne, undoubtedly, is so fucking good. And to make the transition from when he was young, the music he was putting out when he was young, which was...

No, those Hopways records were great. Get out of here. Cut it out. They were fun, but it wasn't the same. The lyrics were terrible. The beats were fucking fine. Cut it out. They were fun, but it wasn't the same. The lyrics were terrible. The beats were fucking fine. It was just... They were of the time.

It was like amp-up music. It was like amp music. It was like hype shit. But anyway, that's your top three. Yeah. We'll take it. Yeah, I'd say that. We'll take it.

What about you? My top three hip-hop artists of all time? Yeah. You know, I'm an old fart weirdo, so I think... Who cares? Well, i think gangstar i think i think guru and and preem i think gangstar is like one of the best hip-hop groups in the history of hip-hop i just think it was i don't even know every time i put on a gangstar album i was like well this is fucking then this is this is top shit that's what matters yeah Yeah, I would say gang star. I would say

It's a tough question I know it is really tough But I just keep going back to like youthful stuff that I could listen to over and over again Big L didn't live long enough, but he but if he did live long enough He would have easily been in there. Okay, if he lived longer that would have been my favorite. He's like a Geraldo though He's just like Geraldo. He is like a Geraldo to me. He died way too fucking young, and he was on the precipice of being so fucking famous. I hate that shit. I mean, it's just like you hear a guy like that at that age, and you're like, holy shit.

His first album was so good that it's a bummer that more people didn't have him on to feature, but they were scared. I think they were scared of how much he would beat the track. Jay was on his first album, and he was still alive for Jay's first, too, but he never brought him on. I think people were afraid of his, kind of his ability was he was so fresh. He was so good. Yeah, he was so new. So maybe, I'll just say Big L for fun, just to spice it up.

And then my third favorite, one of my, another three would be Trump. Trump's album is so good. He should put out a hip hop album. How fire would it be? Come at me, bitches. Imagine if anybody had been, by the way, he basically did,

but he basically did have, have a fucking rap beef live in front of us with Hillary Clinton and he smoked her. It was crazy. We, the same kind of thing just happened that we're seeing now with Drake and Kendrick

was like what they did. And, and, and Trump is, Trump is that guy that's like so careless that it's like he just wins because he's careless. God, between Drake and Trump. Yeah.

You would have me sitting right here. No, it's all good. No, no, people know. Who would be a third? Probably, McCone knows me well enough. Who would be my third, Coney? Who do you think? That's really hard

It's really hard Yeah Maybe Someone Tribe, maybe? No, not Tribe Nas? Not Nas anymore I mean, I love Nas so, so, so much

But not a top three It didn't last forever for me He's in a renaissance right now, though He's in a second renaissance I know The new shit he put out is fucking phenomenal I think, you know maybe Jay Z? Maybe Diddy

no I'm kidding maybe come on come on we're really getting into it maybe R. Kelly maybe come on I'm better than this come on Coney you know me well enough to know I mean I'm just thinking about my own

yeah I don't know. Honestly, it's hard because I would have to have somebody modern, I guess. I'll tell you who I'm on right now, but isn't one of the greatest of all time. But I've talked about him so much. I think Roddy Ricch is the most fun motherfucker alive. Oh, he's great. I fucking love that dude. He's great.

He's fun. He is. He is. He is my turn up in the car and go fucking ape shit. Yeah. He's so- I love it so fucking- I don't know why. I was telling him, it just gets me in such a and go fucking ape shit. I love it so fucking much. I don't know why I was telling him. It just gets me in such a good

fucking mood. He's a great artist in general. Everyone in that circle I like. Jid. Jid is... That whole circle is just something's happening. It's next level. Then the other things. Then I love fucking Staples. I think he's fucking incredible.

I love Schoolboy Q. Love Schoolboy Q. It's too hard to get through the, it's too hard these days. There's too many, because these things aren't, where back when I was young, it was like you were Tupac or Biggie. There, nobody else existed. Right. Now it's like everybody exists.

That's why it's a tough question for me. No, it's really hard. For you it's harder. There's so many dope people, especially now. I have new female rappers I love. You want to plug anybody that we don't know about? Is there somebody that you should be looking out for? Ooh, that's a good question.

Could be Caitlyn Plain Jane, maybe. Yeah, Plain Jane, baby. Let's go. Keep putting out shit to the universe. That's the only way it's going to work. That's how I've gotten here. Yeah, you said you wanted to be on the show. No, I did.

You know what, though? I'm a big fan of Dave, so I think I manifested this. You did. You probably put something together. You were incredible in it, and I think me just seeing your face for so long. I'm going, this is great. Yeah. I love this.

I need this to get me somewhere with, well, this will work. And then you said that, and one of the cats was like, meow. And you were like, yes, yes, yes. And then boom, all of a sudden. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. As you're scooping cat shit, the hole in the ceiling opens up. It was working. Right, right.

It's magic cat shit. Are you on tour right now? No. No. When are you going to go back out? Who knows? Who knows? When are you going to go back out?

Who knows? Who knows? I just did a, I did my first show since tour, which was in 2022. I think I got off that tour in 2022. Got on stage for the first time, literally last weekend. And? For Connor Price. I don't know if you're familiar with Connor Price.

Do we know Connor Price? Do you know Connor Price? He's a hip hop artist. And he does other, he does other genres of music. But we have Connor Price? Do you know Connor Price? He's a hip-hop artist. I have to look him up. He does other genres of music, but we have a song together called New Phone. Oh, yeah, yeah. I like that. New Phone.

I love that song. Thank you. And I came out for that, and I... Connor Price. I got it all back. Connor Price, Canadian actor and rapper.

A Canadian? A Canadian actor and rapper? Yeah. Another Canadian rapper? What are you doing today? I have to go No no no no Dude this is turning

Into something so funny Now it's like Such a good bit This is great This is great Keep it going It is a good bit And Canada

Is a Top Top performing place For you? Yes Oh Caitlin no Shout out Canada Shout out Canada hard though

Canada We fuck with Canada big time. We played Massey Hall in Toronto, and it was one of the most fun shows. No, Canada supports Caitlin. Toronto, Massey was incredible. How beautiful was that shit? Calgary. It sounded, Calgary fucking, well.

It's stunning. And we love the West Coast a lot, too, though. Vancouver can fucking bueno, bueno. I love all that shit. We fuck with Canada, but LA's king. And that's how we feel. Because you're an LA girl now. Yes, I'm basically a native.

Yeah, you're close enough. Well, look, I appreciate you being on the show. I could talk to you for hours. I hope people indulge in your catalog. I hope people follow you, find you, see you live when you decide

to go back out on the road. Where can they find you on the internet? On the internet, you, find you, see you live when you decide to go back out on the road. Where can they find you on the internet? On the internet, you can find me on all the social platforms. TikTok, Instagram. Hit them with your handle. It's Caitlin. We drop the vowels, y'all. It's K-T-L-Y-N.

But sometimes why? R-A-P-S. Caitlin Raps. I'm trying. Hey, Metta, if you're listening, I'm trying to drop the raps. Yeah, yeah. And I have. Have you had them reach out?

So I have the username. I have just K-T-L-Y-N. I have the girl ready to give it to me. So sweet. Let's go. It's five letters. Anything under six letters is impossible. Why?

I don't have the right connections, I guess. I've reached out to i don't know you know zuck don't you know the zuck dog hit up the zuck dog whoever can get me that username i will there's a if you're a real fan and you know how to get this done we know some of these people that listen to the show are like internet geniuses no for real they can get it done i just i need that done but anyways it's caitlin raps on tiktok, on Spotify, and all streaming platforms. It's just Caitlin, K-T-L-Y-N. But all three go plain Jane. You already know.

Let's go. You already know. Let's go. We end the show the same way. You almost already did it. But you look at that camera right there and you say one word or one phrase to end the episode. Sometimes, it used to be a word.

Then some people wanted a whole phrase. But you can pick in that camera whenever you're ready to end the episode. It used to be a word, then some people wanted a whole phrase, but you can pick in that camera whenever you're ready this one, end the episode. A word or a phrase? A word or a phrase. A sign-off. A goodnight, a goodbye. One word. Gas. In here, we pour

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