Whiskey Ginger with Andrew Santino - Shane Mauss

Episode Date: January 3, 2020

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Today, it's Mr. Shane Moss. Shane. Hey. Cheers. Cheers. Thank you. Yeah, dude. A little sipper in the afternoon. This is exciting. for all my guests but i mean it once again today it's mr shane moss shane hey cheers little sipper in the afternoon i'm having a little bit of joseph magnus you're having a little eagle rare you tried the magnus did you like it i did i like both yeah which one do you like more do you think uh maybe the magnus yeah yeah yeah i'm actually new to drinking again i i

take like years off at a time. Cool. And then I'll start again. This has been the best start again where I've been drinking reasonably and everything. And so I'm like reacquiring all of my tastes. Oh, nice. And so, yeah, I don't have the most sophisticated palate developed again just yet. You're going to get it, kid. Yeah, yet. You're going to get it, kid. Yeah, yeah. You're going to get it back.

You just got to put the time in. Yeah. It's just about work. That's more than anything. Well, that's interesting because do you have any – are there any alcohol that you used to like and now you don't like or vice versa? I mean, not since like being a kid and being like, guess I can't drink pucker anymore. being a kid and being like, I guess I can't drink pucker anymore.

But no, I never had the thing where it was like, oh, I had a bad night on tequila. Now I can't drink tequila anymore because it's just like, that would mean that I can't drink any booze anymore. I've had enough bad nights off of everything that there is. Rum is my, spice rum.

Captain Morgan, people know me. I've talked about it on the show. I think it's the most repulsive whiskey on earth. I mean, I'm sorry, rum on earth. There's something about it. Spice rum to me is like, regular rum is not so bad. But Captain Morgan's is like a spiced specific flavored rum. Yeah, that's one that I was into specific flavored rum. Yeah, yeah.

Gross. That's one that I was into early on and not so much anymore. But I think that's a natural progression. Like Jaeger is like – I don't know, man. I know some 40-year-olds that still have Jaeger. Like I know there's some guys – you know what I mean? There's some guys I bump into once in a while. I'm like, you're still drinking like that?

They take – what is it? With Red Bull, Jaeger bombs. I i'm like that's yeah you have three kids like you you have a you have like a full-time job you like are responsible for like a crew of people yeah i don't understand that uh that kind of stuff but yeah it's nice to be how old are you now i i'm 39 i turned 40 next may congrats yeah. How old are you? I'm 36. Okay. It's nice to be like in the groove of like, so I was thinking about that today.

What you just said is like you take time off. I've never taken a big time off, but what I will do is I'll just, I'll go drastically down. Like I'll go in one week, I'll just have like one at home by myself. Or like I've never like gone cold turkey and had none because I think I'm an Irish drunk

and it's just a part of my lineage sure but i do and now that i'm in this part of my life what i do now is i drink less and more specifically do you know what i mean like i really don't go out and get just just punched drunk wasted yeah but i will have a few at the house you know with the old bag we her and I'll get toasted but it's like specific to a time and it's a small amount it's not the same I mean I had to take breaks

because I was still in the mode of like yeah I'll hang out with people after shows and stuff and now it doesn't matter how much I've had to drink that's not going to be appealing to me. I'm not going to be like, yeah, I'm just going to party with you guys all night. That just doesn't.

So I don't get myself in trouble like I used to. Smart. So I used to black out fairly often. And that was so the first time that I quit drinking years ago, like successfully like for a few years what it was was i didn't i didn't like i need to get into a or anything i was just like you know what i'm gonna take one month off of drinking and just see how it feels yeah and then at the end of that i was like oh my god like i'm so much more clear-headed i'm so much more productive what was i doing and so yeah and so i just took uh and then i just like

didn't my girlfriend was happier with me at the time and everything and then i i just kept on doing that for like a couple years and then when i single again this is a pattern too and then my single again started drinking again and then met a lady couldn't you know fun at first in the beginning partying and i was like we need to not do this all the time and then okay i'll sober up and and uh and then now i'm single again so started drinking again that's a good pattern that's not a bad pattern it's not bad it sounds like when your life gets good you start to clean it up more yeah so when you find someone you want to be more responsible you clean up and then when the relationship falls to pieces you're like back

to the bottle baby yeah and it wasn't even, this time around, what it was was I was at a festival this summer. It was like Burning Man. It's called Azora outside of Budapest. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah. Let's talk about it.

Sure. Don't just scoot over something so magical like that. Yeah. And we have to get into a lot of different categories. People that don't know Shane, you're no stranger to substances because you enjoy dabbling in drugs.

Yeah, I do. And I'm pretty open about that. But tell us about Budapest. Mostly I'm a big psychedelic advocate. I have shows that I do about psychedelics sometimes and that sort of thing. And so I got brought to Budapest to give a talk

about DMT. That's how amazing my life is. Not even to do comedy or anything, just like, hey, talk about your thoughts on DMT. How many times have you done DMT? Well, I've had a little over a hundred like breakthrough experiences like the full going all the way and then outside of that like i've microdosed dmt and stuff so like hundreds of times i've had like small amounts of dmt which microdosing dmt i don't like microdosing psychedelics but microdosing dmt is awesome why don't you like microdosing psychedelics because it just doesn't for me it doesn't do anything it seems to like your toleranceosing psychedelics? Because it just doesn't, for me, it doesn't do anything. It seems to like... Your tolerance is too high. No, it's just like, you know, I've heard, I like it.

And in theory, it's like, you know, you don't actually feel it, but it makes you a little more creative, maybe eases depression. For me, I've been like, I'm going through a bit of depression right now. I'll try microdosing. And that seems to only make it worse, which psychedelics usually exacerbate whatever is going on inside of you and the big breakthrough experiences which is i actually recommend for people um are the ones where you just kind of see your inner worlds more clearly and that's the stuff that you learn from and so that's much better for like sorting out some depression issue or some like say career funk or not knowing exactly the direction i want to take things in life a very big mushroom trip will bring me like

a little bit of clarity and like okay this is where i want to go going forward i'll have like five different ideas of of do i want to start this podcast do i want to put this tour together and like all of it is that's when I get depressed because I'm like it's my body being like hold up before we commit the next two years of our lives to this project let's just pump the brakes a little bit and then that and then the ambiguity of that can lead to a bit of depression and usually a big trip will give me some sense of clarity in terms of I don't think it's like necessarily the right path or anything but just like a clear path forward and that's a lot of what life is about

just like having a path forward and keep moving whether it's necessarily and you need to reassess things once in a while and maybe take a different direction right but that's when you when you keep moving and have like some path forward that's a lot better than what the fuck do I do right now? Where am I going? It's funny because on this podcast, I did a solo podcast over Thanksgiving. And I was talking about this Tribe Called Quest song and Keep It Moving, K.I.M. That's the chorus of the song. And a lot of the fans were kind of like talking about it online.

And I was like, it is probably the best way for me to deal with my personal, because I have pretty bad depression and anxiety. And I go through these massive waves and keep it moving was always kind of this. I love listening to hip hop, old school hip hop, and like kind of upbeat shit when I'm feeling low, like the flower era of hip hop,

the nineties. And that song always was like, keep it moving was always just this mainstay in my head. So it's, it's very odd that you just said that because always was like, keep it moving, was always just this mainstay in my head. So it's very odd that you just said that because it's become kind of a part of the show of like, keeping it moving was always my advice to people when they write in about how they feel depression

and how to get through it because you realize how many people struggle with shit in life. I think we ignore it all the time. We just think everyone's on an equal plane. Well, there's a lot of social pressure to put on a face and act like

everything's going on well all the time the phrase how are you and you just go good it's it's it's an innate response that we've taught ourselves socially but it's not true and like and i actually don't do that like if someone asks me how i'm doing i tell them the truth and like and sometimes my friends they know that about me so they're sometimes nervous to ask me how I'm doing. They're like, oh, yeah, this might be a therapy session. But the thing is when I tell them things are going good, they know that I mean it, and they're excited for me. That's wonderful.

And it's a game changer. I've actually had friends, because I do that, they've started implementing that in their lives, and they're like, yeah, it changes my approach to how I think about things. I don't feel like I'm putting on this facade all the time. I think it's a much healthier way to be. I think a lot of the corporate and workplace really puts so much pressure on people

to be a cheerleader all the time. Yeah, they want you to be happy and healthy and wise and upbeat. Especially these massive Chinese companies. I mean, have you ever seen these like videos of these Chinese corporations? They indoctrinate their employees with these kind of like songs. They make up like anthems and songs for the company. So they cheer for the company at the beginning of the day.

It's the most fucking creepy robotic shit you've ever seen. But that's a part of these massive corporate conglomerate systems is like you have to keep these people in some kind of order and we falsify this we're all happy right because it it makes other people feel bad if they're not following suit yeah i mean it's like oh i'm not i'm not in line but that but you seem to be somebody from his we haven't known each other that well for that long, but every time I see you, I'm always happy to see you, and it's always, you're a pretty bright light,

and I don't know whether that's, obviously now you've said that that's not you covering something up, you're actually displaying your real emotions, but when I see you, you seem very bright, and it is always kind of smiley to see you. Maybe that's just our connection but I just feel like you have a um when I do run into you you have kind of like a rich uh a rich uh feeling about you that's like happier or in a good place I mean for me because I spend so much time on the road and I'm so isolated in ways, which I actually like.

There's a couple of negative emotions that just don't affect me very much. One is jealousy and another is loneliness. I know what they feel like. I experience them, but they just don't drive my behavior. They don't really influence me that much. And I'm grateful for that. There's other things like depression that really severely affect me but um because of because of that like i don't get to see my peers is you know people that are like around the same level or whatever as much as i'd like to because i don't i'm not in la or new york

very often outside of like doing some festivals sometimes and so usually if you see i'm probably excited to just be like hey i get to hang out with one of the guys. It's like around my level. You're doing fucking very well for yourself. Same, though. Same. But I know what you mean, like our peers. Because otherwise you're working with the local feature host or whatever. And they're like kissing your ass too much to like, can you take me on tour with you and all of that.

And it's not just, you know, it's a different connection with your peers. Yeah, it's almost like you're, you know, it is hard sometimes that you become kind of like this, you have to be this like, this guiding light. Like you didn't know you signed up for that. But you know, like sometimes they want people below you that you're working with oftentimes want so much help and advice. And I'm usually quick to give it and i'm cool with it but yeah sometimes you just want to have regular conversations like you're just people because

it's also weird to me when people when comics are just like wow one day if i could get where that guy is headlining the chuckle hut in toledo ohio and i'm up there like i'm fucking broke i hate this you want to be your dream is to be me dude it is but that's the crazy thing about this game is like it is it's it's uh i say that lily pad theory it's like every frog thinks jumping to the next lily pad is going to be more stable than the one yeah it's not the case so you have to start to enjoy the the lily pad that you're on yeah and you and you have to try i mean fuck dude let's jump backwards you got invited to budapest to perform at a festival yeah i mean what what was the name of the festival again it's called azora zora z-o-r-a o-zora azora

a-z-a-a-z-o-r-a okay and then what is it does that mean something uh it's the name of the city that it's it's a town yeah that's how dumb i am i'm so bad with geography i i am as well i don't i don't know that i know all of the u.s very well now because i travel around to it all the time but yeah so it was a psytrance festival i hadn't drank in a long time i had just spent two days on a train because these guys were like, uh, that, that booked me.

They're like, Hey, do you want to like make a trip out of this and spend a couple of days on a train and stop and do this? And like really sold it like an adventure. And, and really it was just like two, like 14 hour days on a train.

And toward the end I was like, ah, and I got to this festival. And if you've never heard psy trance music before it's not just like chill fucking music to like hang out it is like intense like you know like hard like dubstep ish kind of thing would be a closer analogy yeah and like and it's 24 7 and it's and it's um So to give you an idea, and you're sleeping in a tent.

It's like a Burning Man situation. And so my tent was probably close to a half a mile, a mile away from the main stage. And it was still like the ground was vibrating. And you wake up and the music's such that they put all these strange sounds in it. I was waking up at like eight in the morning to like cat screams being mixed into a song. Like, what the fuck?

I just went to bed at five. And so anyhow, I show up there. It's pouring rain. And I know this is a cool ass festival. But I also know this is going to be a fucking nightmare if I'm sober. And it's the type of place that I'd normally do some acid or something like that. But I had been taking a break from psychedelics because I had some mental health issues a couple years ago and shooting a documentary about psychedelics called Psychonautics, a Comics Exploration of Psychedelics, Amazon Prime.

Good drop. exploration of psychedelics Amazon Prime and good drop and so I I was I was like nervous about if it were been in the U.S. I would have done a psychedelic but I was nervous about doing my first psychedelic in two years in a foreign country having another manic episode and getting confused and not being able to know what to do there's like a you know this far away from home 40,000 people and and like there's no phone reception I can't get a hold of people that I'm far away from home. This festival is like 40,000 people. Yeah. And there's no phone reception. I can't get a hold of people that I'm with. And there's this very affable, charming host guy that's like, this Hungarian dude. There's like two bottles of Hungarian wine.

And I was like, you know what? I will drink some of your wine. It's like I'm cold. It's loud. This might suck. Or I will drink some of your wine. It's like I'm cold. It's loud. This might suck. Or I can drink and have a fucking blast. And so that's when I started drinking again this time around. And you had a blast.

And haven't regretted it. I've had getting used to drinking again. There's a couple times where I was like, now I'm drinking a little too much. I got to wrangle that in. And especially when your tolerance isn't there yet, then you're just getting hung over like every fucking day and and anytime that you drink and and uh and so it can be that kind of miserable and and so so yeah that's what got me on uh back on the train back on the train yeah you got i mean you gotta you gotta find a balance i mean there's a there has to be a balance in all that stuff right we all got to find a balance. I mean, there has to be a balance in all that stuff, right? We all have to find a balance in life with whatever substance that you're using.

Because, you know, I say you've got to be careful with everything that you're doing. Was there any moment when you were there that you really wanted to take psychedelics? Oh, absolutely. The entire time. But you just were like, I can't. Yeah, it's just, I better not. How was the speech? Like, how did that go that was great it's fantastic i mean it's it's what i'm trying to transition into is out of traditional stand-up and doing more like um half like funny talks sure so like i have a i have a the show that i tour with full time right now

it's called stand up science so i have two scientists on each show giving talks about their work and then i have a second comic and so it's half comedy sets half science talks and it allows me to the the opportunity to just be like hey i can just stand up here and share this really interesting idea uh and and thing that I learned for like five minutes without it having to be funny or with it like, you know, I'll have like a punchline at the end or something like that. But it's okay that I just talked for five minutes and people were really interested. And that's what I want my career to be.

And that's what I'm trying to transit. I have a science podcast called Here We Are where i interview scientists weekly about their their work and so that's the sort of stuff i i am trying to do i'm doing a psychedelic version of stand-up science called head talks that i just started doing as well and you've got it all you're spending a million fucking plates i am and you're not even living you're there's i'm doing on the road three to four cities a week and part of part of the mission of it is because i don't think like what I'm doing is the most novel thing in the world in terms of, say, this were a monthly show in L.A. or New York or something like that. It wouldn't be like the most groundbreaking. You know, L.A. and New York have tons of amazing, unique, interesting shows.

York have tons of amazing unique interesting shows and but what's different about what I'm doing is I'm taking things to like Wichita Kansas and stuff like that where where people don't have any you know there's a bunch of like really smart people that don't that are in like you know red states that don't get to like hear science talks and don't get exposure to stuff like that and and so I try to find the cities that are kind of underserved in terms of um intelligent entertainment and they target them and i target them and they come out and and uh it's been going really well that's awesome well i learned like i went down to huntsville alabama to play a single show down there if fucking nasa's there so it's like alabama has this rap of being kind of a country bumpkin place

yeah so to speak it's a lot of it's a lot of small towns yeah but then you also realize all these a lot of the people that came onto my show were fucking like bit like nerd like dorks and i was like oh yeah right these nasa kids want something to do so they go to a comedy club because comedy clubs tend to be this kind of transference of ideas and depending on the comedian who's presenting them you can get some funny witty sharp intellectual comedy because i feel like they need that in a place where they're kind of devoid of yeah you know i no offense but a little bit of culture i mean they're in the middle of fuck huntsville is not a big fucking place i mean i don't think any of your listeners would be like why are you talking shit about huntsville i mean it's usually

i think it's usually people are surprised to hear that people are like, well, how do your shows do in the South? You have a science show. They do better than anywhere. They love it. Like in LA and New York, people are like, whatever.

I could see a science talk any night of the week. It's understandable. There's just a billion options for people. It's like Vegas. There's too much to do in cities like this. And then you go to other places. They're appreciative you're there. They're like, fuck, thanks for coming.

A guy in San Antonio said that. He goes, will you come back? I said, yeah, probably. I mean, I'm here now. And he goes, yeah, but people don't come back. And I want you to come back. And I was like, I guess we forget we're so kind of privileged when you do get to live in cities like la or new york or chicago or whatever that's like thriving and they've got all of this shit going on that when you go to a place that doesn't have

it's not nothing but it doesn't have as much they kind of hold on to things more you know what i mean they're excited more they're like yeah motherfucker i'm happy that you're here yeah here we're brats they're spoiled fucking brats At any given night of the week at the comedy store, the $20 they paid for to get in, the lineup there is worth like five grand. And they still complain. It's fucking crazy how spoiled they are. So it's nice to, I like going to these places.

Just arms crossed, like whatever. Come on, babe, you want to go somewhere else? Yeah, that is the inherent problem. So you're living on the road to go somewhere else yeah that's the that is the inherent problem so you're living on the road right now we said that before the show we were talking you don't have a place right now you're you're on the move my last place was portland went through a breakup in april and and at the time i was i was trying to plan out my uh my girlfriend at the time wanted to take a break from work for a year and come live on the road with me for a year and travel around so i was lining all all of that up. So like, how do I make that work logistically? And it's something

that I've wanted to do since I did this indie tour about psychedelics called A Good Trip that was like this 111 city tour. I did that in 2016 to 17. And everyone thought I was crazy for doing it. Before I did it, I was like, this might be crazy. And when I did it, I was like, oh, this is what I want to do. This is exactly what I want to be doing all of the time. And that was the first time that I put all my stuff in storage for nine months and just lived on the road, and I didn't know what it was going to be like, and I was like, this is what I want. A hundred and eleven cities?

Yeah. Dude, holy shit, Shane, that's insane. I know. Do you also take some time for yourself? I mean, because when you're working working working like that like do you you also kind of need some recovery you know yeah i mean i mean that was that tour there was there was times when i was doing like six shows six cities a week pretty pretty regularly and um and now dude. And now I do, and there's even like, I think I did like 21 cities in a row

or something like that in like 21 days or something. And now I try to build in, I try to do every other day. I try to do three a week. Yeah, smart. So I have four days off and it's spread out a little bit.

Take a fucking break break man holy shit how do you get from gig to gig i mean i can't i can't take a break anytime i want to so like i'll go through wisconsin where i'm from originally and my parents are still in my hometown as well as my sister my brother lacrosse wisconsin it's on the border of minnesota yeah it's right in between madison and minneapolis and then my brother's in milwaukee and then i have just tons of uh old friends in like minneapolis and madison so i'll sometimes like just take a month off to hang out around there and you need some family time and stuff like that so so uh yeah i mean and sometimes i you know sometimes i'll just be like, I'll also plan it out.

So if I'm like, this might be too much time alone for a person to spend and still be a healthy person. So I'll just book one of my comic friends to come along on tour with me for a couple weeks or something. Mike Kaplan did it recently. Oh, cool, cool, cool. He's a good fit for a science-y show. He's New York? Yeah, yeah. recently oh cool cool good fit for a sciencey show new york yeah yeah yeah yeah he's kind of a maybe nerdier more cerebral sure sure and uh and so great fit for it yeah that's cool you get to

stop stopping over in the midwest it's kind of nice to have that kind of you know as a chicago guy it's like whenever i'm anywhere near the fucking midwest i'm like i gotta go like coincidentally i'm playing uh at the end of the month at the end of january i'm doing madison and minnesota and because of it i'm like i have to go home it's almost like there's that magnet to go home when i'm in the midwest like i have to stop by yeah if i don't i feel like i feel i'll feel bad i was like i was so close i should you know what i mean i mean it's pretty cool my mom's side of the family is all still in kind of the same hometown but my dad's side is spread out all over the country and they never see each other and they're now like trying really

hard to make a point to like we gotta have a get together like once a year to hang out with one another and stuff but i get to i get to see my family like four times a year spaced out you know i'm seeing them like every few months or so sometimes it's just for like two days and just because the way my routing is i gotta keep moving but yeah how many days do you fucking want yeah yeah it's two or three days and i'm like wait how are you getting from place to place to place driving so are you renting a car just How many days do you fucking want? Yeah, yeah. It's often good enough. Two, three days and I'm like, I gotta get it. I gotta get it. Wait, how are you getting from place to place to place? Driving. So are you renting a car, just renting and renting and renting and renting?

I was doing that for a while and now I have everything sorted out so that I'm driving almost everywhere. I drove to California. Mountain time zone is like, there's just like nothing in terms of gigs there. There's like Colorado. Denver. You got a little Arizona and stuff like that. But especially up north in Montana and stuff there there's like colorado you got a little arizona and stuff like that but especially up north in montana and stuff there's nothing yeah and um and uh so beautiful expanse to drive through but if you're just like by yourself you don't want to drive like 20 hours for

nothing and um so yeah so i so i flew in here and i have a rental car right now and i often do that when i'm touring the West Coast. But other than that, most of my stuff is central time zone and eastern time zone and I'm just kind of making loops around. My show, Stand Up Science, is a different show every single time that I do it. Wow. It's all different. It's two different scientists in every city, which if you're wondering if that's hard to find two different scientists, four cities a week, it is. It's very time consuming.

It's extremely hard, I imagine. I have a full-time assistant who helps me out with things. Yeah. And so, you know, I can barely even prepare for the shows. It's like I know what the topics are and the gist of what they're going to be talking about. And I have a broad knowledge of lots of different subjects from doing my science podcast for five years.

But a lot of times I'm just kind of winging it and I'm thinking about what they're going to be. And I kind of like choose some material that I have that's related. And then I watch the talk and I improvise. And so I'm starting to learn to improvise a lot for the first time in my career. I mean, I always like... Improvise with scientists is something you thought you'd never do.

Yeah, yeah. Isn't that fucking wild? Oh, man. When I started... Because for people that... I'm a blue-collar guy. I didn't go to college. I was like a factory worker and stuff.

Did you work in a factory? Oh, yeah. And I was a terrible student and everything else. So now skip forward. And when I started comedy, I wasn't much was a terrible student and everything else. So now skip forward. And when I started comedy, I wasn't much of a reader or anything else. Now you're fraternizing with fucking scientists. Yeah, I talk with at least eight scientists a week. Wow.

What factories do you work in? The longest job that I had was Ashley Furniture Factory in Arcadia, Wisconsin. But I also worked there for like four years, I want to say. And then I spent- Putting together furniture? Yeah, making parts for furniture mostly. But I did a little assembly line work. I did a little bit of everything.

You moved around, man. You moved around a little bit. Shane's doing good. Move him up to assembly. Not just a shipping guy, dude. He's good. And I had- this is fun my first factory job i worked in a crouton factory uh for a crouton factory i worked in a crouton factory i love telling people that because people like when i first told someone that i've

worked in a crouton factory i didn't know that was funny yeah i had no idea and then everyone's just like what the fuck you're a fucking comedian that's hilarious because according to america as far as i'm concerned croutons just like happen like yeah no one knew no one knows that they get made i feel like croutons are just like they're out there somewhere yeah like they made i feel like they made a billion of them in the 70s and they just had enough. You know what I mean? To last for the rest of the time. Like, that's it.

We're full on croutons. We'll never run out. Well, the people I was working with, I think that might be half true. I worked third shift in a crouton factory with a bunch of like real degenerates. I was drunk most of the time I was working. Atta boy. I was drunk most of the time I was working. Atta boy.

And if you're going to eat a crouton, know that there is some degenerate factory worker that's been dipping their hands in those croutons and gobbling some. Did you eat croutons every day? I ate croutons every day. It's so funny. It's funny. I don't even like bread.

But if you turn it into a crouton, I can eat that shit every day. Bread and crouton are just cousins. Especially with some alcohol. They should, instead of pretzels, they should have a little thing of croutons. Shane, you just fucking... I'm opening a bar and that's going to be

the first thing I do. The crouton? Is that the name of the bar? The crouton. Because the bowl of pretzels is gross for some reason, the croutons would be fun to pick at. Dude, I'm doing it. I'm stealing your idea. Come to the crouton. Yeah. Because the bowl of pretzels is gross for some reason. Yeah, yeah. The croutons would be fun to pick at. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do what I'm doing. I'm stealing your idea.

Come to the crouton. We're going to open up in 2021. But the first drink I'll make will be called the Shane Moss. That was our idea. That's right. That's right. I mean, I wouldn't have thought of it without your help. I'll give you royalty.

All right? Yeah, yeah. How about that? Done. No problem. No, take it. Go. Okay, it's mine?

I want you to have that crouton money. Okay, go. You deserve it. You've worked it. Okay, it's mine? I want you to have that crouton money. You deserve it. You've worked hard. You know what's so funny? You know, I've had enough good things happen to me in my life. You go get that crouton money. Thank you, dude.

You're going to be somewhere in Cincinnati. You'll be sitting having coffee in the morning. You read the paper like Andrew Santino's crouton business exploding across the country. Everyone's like, you won't believe it. The man who made croutons sexy again. I came up with that idea. I brought back croutons. And the bartender's like, sure you did, pal. Everybody knows Santino's a crouton guy.

So you worked at a crouton factory. Yeah. Another longest stint. So you worked at a crouton factory for the longest time. I also did close to a year making parts for a lot of small... It was a small machine shop, but they made little parts for helicopters and stuff. Oh, shit. They made a lot of military contracts wow that's wild yeah and that's good money to have man that'll always be there i mean it is weird to like have seen that experience of like man these are the people that are putting

making parts for fucking helicopters i think about that all the time war yep like you know helicopters for war. I know what you're saying. These guys are like... Especially there's a lot of... In factory work, there's a lot of piece rate stuff. So you're getting paid per the number of units that you're putting out. So you're kind of

letting some stuff slide a little bit. This isn't the Ferrari factory. No one's going over with a fine-tooth comb this is like go click click click click go i mean when you watch those when i watch those documentaries about factory work it's fascinating to me because of like it's brutal man it's well it's not only is it's fucking crazy working conditions for the most part and and most people are treated completely unfairly and it's gross it's so hard to have an attention to detail because it's monotonous right it's almost mind-numbing i don't know why they don't have like they don't like hire buddhists to work in fact like you guys like meditation you like not thinking about shit this is it they're they're out there.

Buddhists are out there like cutting blades of grass to be like, instead of using a lawnmower, we're going to cut things with scissors because the practice of doing that. No, motherfucker. Get in a factory and like put some furniture together. Yeah. It's the same thing. Same thing. But you're contributing yeah you're actually doing something it's like uh like the plates in the prison you know they stamp plates in prison

all the time like it's the same you know well i don't even they do that anymore but california states used to fucking they used to stamp license plates no it's like that's the most mind-numbing still there's nothing to it it's just it's like three steps it's brutal and in in some people it was just like they could get in the mindset of just like you know i love it it's just it's like three steps it's brutal and in in some people it was just like they could get in the mindset of just like you know i love it it's relaxing and there there was a thing about like the piece right thing does do a interesting thing to the mind whereas instead of like looking at the clock like you're in class like when is this gonna be over is that you're like fighting against the clock so you're like oh, an hour's already gone by.

I haven't turned out enough stuff. Oh, the day's almost over. I haven't finished my... And that's part of the reason why meth is such an issue in rural communities now because of that very thing. Because it's an escape from the monotony. It's an escape from the same old over and over, and it also gives you a little bit of life

in something that you might not be enjoying to do. I'm not saying use meth, but I'm saying if you work in a factory, I wouldn't blame you. I had a guy on my podcast that wrote a book about meth use in the Appalachian region and breaking down why it's such a thing and that's a big contributor. It's huge up there.

People are one, there's a lot of factory works being phased out by robots. You're like, the Mexicans are taking out well... The Mexican robots are taking over our jobs. The Mexicans are like if anything, a stopgap.

They're just like a slight little, like, they're going to be out of work soon, too. It's just robots. And if you think you're going to stop that, you aren't. Like, there's nothing you're going to do against that. And why are you trying to hold on to that job? It's the worst job imaginable. But so there's that, and to be able to stay and to that job it's the worst job imaginable and but uh but there so there's that and they're you know to be able to stay in and do that job there's more and more demands being put

on people and they're getting paid less and so you have math can have like a little bit of euphoria attached to it and now you can 12 hour day now you just work some overtime it was zipped right by yeah and you're putting more food on the table it's a very inexpensive product and then and then you you know you have a source and then all your co-workers are like hey buddy what's your secret and then you break off a little meth for them and now they're getting meth from you and now you're like i'm making more off this meth and so now now you're a dealer and and then and then in the appalachian region there's like a lot of tree cover and so helicopters can't find stuff as much it's easier to to hide a meth lab

and then there's also there's a lot of agricultural chemicals that would normally raise some red flags that are great for you and so there's just like it's it's just everything perfect yeah it's prime for that kind of condition yeah that usually happens and i get it i i never i've never done my i've done adderall sometimes here and there and i have like i have emergency adderall for when i need to make like a 10 hour drive or something like that but um i get it i fortunately i don't like speed or i'd probably do it but i'm an opposite drug user i like that right but um i get it i fortunately i don't like speed or i'd probably do it but i'm an opposite drug user i like that i like depressants i don't like uppers yeah i've never liked uppers they give me the fucking creeps and i also i don't like the way it makes me feel

yeah so i've always been you know marijuana alcohol i i tend to like uh levelers or depressants and alcohol but or like mood levelers or, or stabilizers, things that'll, things that will increase blood flow to the brain, but which in turn slows you down a lot. You know what I mean? Like with weed,

I, I'm slow on weed, dude. I am your typical, stereotypical, like I smoke pot and I land the plane. Like I am just very low key. A lot of people smoke pot and it land the plane like i am just very low key a lot of people smoke pot and it turns them up and turns them on that's like dabbers though well dude but that's

what's happening crazy but that's like the crack of cannabis that's what it is now dude i was i was talking about on the show there's a there's uh you know there there's a woman this woman dabbing granny after i reached out to her she She's probably going to do the podcast. She's this famous YouTuber out of Denver. Dude, she smokes an insane amount. Man, I'm on the same show that Dabin Granny did. Dabin Granny is going to be a what?

Yeah, baby. Well, my status just shot up a little bit. I'm fascinated with the amount that people can use because I just simply cannot do it. I mean, I know there's a friend of mine in the portland area and um he he i remember one time we were playing some i'm a big board gamer and i was teaching a board and and he's pretty good at board games and gets it usually pretty quickly.

And I was explaining this board game to the group. And he's just not following it. And it's getting weird. And I'm like, dude, you smoke too many dabs. Like, what the fuck? And he's like, I haven't done a dab in a while. And then went, smoked a dab. and then he could understand the game. It's just like that.

That's a bad place to be, by the way. That's a bad, bad, bad place to be. I do not recommend dabbing. The irony is that. I'm not a big cannabis guy anyway, but I'm pro-cannabis. Go get out there if you're in there. Suit yourself. I think the irony is

when we were using when we when i first started i first started smoking oh my god 20 some odd years ago and i've been using pot for that many years you know on and off up and down some sometimes more than others and i take massive breaks pot to me is kind of like what you said about liquor like i will go six months without smoking but i don't want to smoke a joint and then but i always kind of consumed it in such small amounts because that's what i enjoyed was like a couple of hits on a patio with my friend and that was that and then i would go have a couple of couple of drinks a couple of you know cups of sauce and that was my love that i liked now you know all these other drugs are are you know labeled as the most dangerous things on earth and crazily enough people consume so much marijuana that i'm like that's becoming dangerous

not not not i'm not saying it's gonna kill you but i'm saying it's gonna fucking it's just it's just like stunting any kind of mental work yeah i mean it it bears you down given you get that high you're not functioning anymore turning anything into a concentrate and this is a guy who has a fondness for dmt which is a concentrate and yeah the most powerful psychedelics on earth but but you don't use it every day oh no no that's what i'm saying but people smoke pot like this all day every day but yeah so you turn anything into a concentrate and you're just fucking with this i mean this is why that you know like cocaine for example this is our hunter gatherer ancestors were chewing on cocoa leaves yeah this is just to get by and and something they do daily and was like drinking a cup of coffee or i i don't know if you've ever heard of cacao yeah of course

fantastic so much better than coffee it's like a little more euphoric it's like we should have i believe it's illegal which is so ridiculous but not everywhere by the way oh i watched a thing about this it's not illegal all over the it's not illegal everywhere but for the most part here it is in the u.s yeah yeah oh yeah yeah that's what i meant yeah no no but many many places it's not illegal everywhere but for the most part here it is in the u.s yeah yeah oh yeah yeah that's what i meant yeah no no but many many places it's not illegal it's completely normal yeah and it is it's like a regular thing to have every day and it's not probably but you know then you then you figure out how to turn that stuff into a concentrate and then also a lot of times what you've done is extract some other properties uh of the that that have like unknown effects like that like everyone's like oh

cannabis is thc is the active ingredient it's like well yeah that's true but it's also what they call like an entourage effect where there's where there's lots of other like these terpenes that's why there's like indica and sativa and those sorts of like why would why would there be different kinds of weed if it was just thc why would there be any variance in effect whatsoever and it's because there's these other things mixing in in tandem with it and so that's what you're like also doing when you take an extract when you do dabs when you do cocaine or whatever you're potentially taking out these other properties that were useful, and then you're getting way too much of the one thing.

I find that so crazy that people love to do it. It is, man. It's wild. I'm anti-dab, and people get fucking defensive. People get mad. Yeah, people get it. Well, because they love that shit, dude. Well, I think a lot of people like to... I got in an argument with a buddy

about why I like drinking, and... This is fantastic fantastic by the way i'm having a little more than i thought you have as much as you want maybe you're grown up but i love this shit because i think it um i think i have better control and balance over liquor than i ever had over any drug i've never been you know i've had some really fucking bad and good experiences on drugs and with with liquor, I almost always knew what I was getting into. Do you know what I mean? Like, a lot of times on drugs, I didn't know what I was getting into.

With this, I know. I drink four more of these things. I know what the fuck is going to happen. I'm going to hit my wife. I'm going to burn the house, and I'm going to kill the dog. And that's just what I do. Yeah, and the dog and the wife know it's coming. That's what they get.

So, like, they signed up for the package. No. I think i've always had more control on liquor which is why i liked it so much and with with drugs you know i've just never had good control over i really haven't and i also don't have good control when i do drugs i want to do a lot of them that's a bad thing too do you fucks with psychedelics because psychedelics are a mixed well yeah you know like i'm going to do mushrooms on on uh once again on on uh at the end of the month but i feel but i just feel like i like to plan it yeah and then get prepared for it and then do it because when i took drugs on a whim when i would take psychedelics and when i say drugs like i didn't do a ton of different stuff i've tried a pretty fair amount of shit. But when I would take psychedelics on a whim, it was never good for my pattern of behavior, right?

Like I would take as many as I can, and I'd be like, let's see what happens. And then I would end up somewhere where I don't belong. You know what I mean? It's like I kind of just like, I float a little bit too free when I'm on psychedelics, when I'm on drugs. Eh, we're comedians.

Yeah, dude. We float a little too and then at some point you're like i also have to be a big boy sometimes like that's my thing is i i think when i was younger i would get so like me my buddy tyler one time we took a bunch of mushrooms and went to a haunted house and it's like what and on the way there i remember before we started tripping because we ate them and then left and i was like it'll be just enough time that by the time we get there we're going to be tripping and i remember on And I was like, it'll be just enough time that by the time we get there, we're going to be tripping. And I remember on the way there, like 10 minutes from,

and I was like, why are we going to a haunted house? Like in the middle of a field, in the middle of like Western Illinois, I was like, why am I doing, this is a stupid idea. And the moment we like are about to arrive, me and him turned to each other

and we're both like, we're kicking. And I was like, I should not, I'm way too ripped to be in a haunted house. If you've never done a psychedelic before yeah and you're like what would be like a weird crazy thing to do on psychedelics like i could see haunted house like coming up under this so that's a neat idea 16 yeah but you're in high school

but the reality of it is is like it's a terrible idea it's a therapeutic, meditative experience. But in high school, you're like, how can I get away from my parents? How can I get ripped? I did mushrooms at concerts a bunch. I loved going to concerts and doing mushrooms because it was like, I loved the adventure. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course.

One time, this is a wild story. One time, we were drinking a little bit at my buddy's house who now has passed away sadly and we were smoking weed on the train and going to uh going to this concert and um they had a little bit of mushrooms left and i was like i'll take i'll take it like i'll take the rest of whatever's left no one wanted it i was like i'll take it i didn't anticipate it but i'd already been kind I was already a little fucked up. And we get there, and me and my buddy had only bought general admission. And our friends had bought floor tickets, like on the floor. And I was like, we're getting on the floor.

We're going to figure out a way to get on the floor. Well, I learned that it was in Chicago at the USC Pavilion. The only difference was these bracelets, these bullshit bracelets. And I was like, that's the only way to get down there. Well, we just need to get somebody to clip a bracelet, hand it up to us, and we can sneak down there. Because if they're already there, we're good. We have them sneak these bracelets. We go down. It all works. Then we get stopped. We get stopped. And my buddy doesn't have a bracelet. And I'm like, they forgot to give us our bracelets. We're down here. They let us down here. But they said it was

good because we had this ticket stub. We had the stubs and they pulled us aside and the cops were coming they separated me and my buddy we're in high school i'm ripped out of my head on mushrooms weed and i'm liquored the fuck up i probably reek like alcohol because when you're in high school you're like you know what i mean you're not like i'll have a sip you fucking chug a bottle on the train and i'm arguing with a police officer over why i deserve to be on the floor because they fucked up and didn't give me a bracelet and my buddy i remember my friend was with another cop sitting there silently just shaking his head and i could tell he was like santino's gonna get us put in jail like he was like he's gonna get us put in jail for sure yeah sure enough i feed my bullshit story the cop walks over to my buddy grabs one of the employees they give us bracelets

and he's like get the fuck out of here and we got to go down and party and i was like it was like one of those wonderful moments where i was like i can't believe it works like i should they should have busted us i should have been fucked and sure enough the i was so happy the first song came on and i've never done this since but i crowd surfed i was like put me up and i got crowd surf to the front. And it was the best feeling on mushrooms to have people push you around a crowd. I get why people do it. Yeah, yeah. Because it was wonderful, man. It was so free and fun.

And they pushed me around for like maybe two minutes straight. It was awesome. I once, the weirdest crowd surf that I ever had, I went to, mind you, I mean, obviously you're going to know this was for a joke, but I went to the new Vanilla Ice. No, no, you love Vanilla Ice. Don't pretend. Don't pretend, Shane, like you don't love Vanilla Ice. This is like 18 years ago.

Vanilla Ice tried to get into the heavy metal. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. He had a heavy metal. Ice, ice, baby. That's awesome. It was this at it was in lacrosse wisconsin at this like really fucking run down barely hanging on uh theater and there was like 200 people it was was such a bad turnout. For a guy that used to sell millions of tickets. I was like, fuck it. I've got to get on stage.

I'm going to jump in the crowd. I'm still going to crowd surf at heavy metal vanilla ice. It was fucking hilarious. It was awesome, wasn't it? It feels good to crowd surf. In here, we pour whiskey. Are you a black sheep in your

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Like a hardcore, like a heavy metal show? I think when I was a teenager, I went to like, you know, tagged along with a friend. Oh, Static X. Oh, whoa. That's old school. Yeah, before they were huge. Oh, Static X. Oh, whoa. That's old school. Yeah, before they were huge. Oh, really? This is before they made it, man.

I found them first. People are like, so that's still within that time frame? Like, always? Yeah, yeah. Before they made it? You mean all the time? Yeah. You mean all the time.

You mean that's just how they were? Yeah, at a place, now that you mention it, You mean that's just how they were? Yeah. Now that you mention it, a place called The Warehouse in La Crosse, Wisconsin. Is that still there? Why does that sound familiar? I believe it still might. It's a music venue, right? Well, there's a place called The Warehouse in Wisconsin, I thought.

I think it still is. Yeah, it sounds so familiar. And it's pretty small i think you could i think you could do like 180 standing room only like mosh pit style that's cool but that's those venues are so fun man right the intimate ones i really love and i think that's the only but but i i've never uh i've never been been a big going to live music guy until in my adult life that i wanted to more and really and you know we work weekends and everything and i'm the opposite for some reason i went a ton as a kid and now i'm kind of like i don't know if i have the time yeah i think my first big concert was weezer it's great show i've seen great show yeah they're awesome and uh and then my next big concert was white

stripes oh that's good too too. Yeah, fantastic. You picked two good ones. Yeah, that was a good start. Did you ever go to Alpine Valley? Uh-uh. Do you know Alpine Valley? Yeah, yeah. We would go up there.

It used to be called the Tweeter Center. Yeah. That was when I was in high school. That's where we'd go. That's an outdoor amphitheater in Wisconsin that we'd go up to to go see massive shows. They would have, what was the pot concert? Like, Rolling Loud. No, not Rolling Loud. That's new. massive shows they would have uh what was the what was the pot concert like rolling loud no not rolling loud that's new i can't remember what the like the day like heavy days or whatever the

bullshit they always put like one of the pothead terminology on a fucking on a hip-hop concert because they're like that's who comes kids that smoke weed and they're right and that's exactly who goes yeah it's smart to be like we we already got the African-American community coming here. Let's get some bourbon whites. Let's get some bourbon whites. Some bourbon white kids here. Make it like a pot thing. Yeah, let's stir it up.

Did you ever go to jam band shows? I went to Fish was the last big concert that I went to. And I don't dislike Fish fish i'm just not like a you're not a fish head dude and um people fucking love that band yeah so so one of my best friends it's his favorite band he's always going on and on and it's not again like you know i sure i'm never going to put it on in my car but whenever it's on i'm like oh i like i like this i like that this is i'll tune in sometimes i have friends that love that shit and i went and uh and he was like but it's a whole experience to go to these things and and so i went in um let's see that

would have been 2018 yeah just a little over a year ago. Yeah, a year and a half ago. And you liked it, though. I enjoyed it. It sounds like you did it. It was okay. Well, I had a bunch of drugs stolen out of my tent. Oh, shit. Well, here's the story.

Tell the fucking what happened. You know, it's like a bunch of tents set up and stuff. It was a bunch of us friends out there. There's a bunch of Wisconsin people that live in Oregon for some reason, or maybe it was just my friend group out there. I get the parallel. I get it. Yeah.

It's a similar culture in rural Wisconsin to rural Oregon. Outside of my main friend group there, there was also just like tons of other like friends from high school or just people from high school that i'd bump into out there and yeah similar vibe i guess and then it was so we a bunch of us got got a big lot and had tents set up and everything else and came back from one of the shows one of the nights and all my drug drugs were gone and at the time the time, because I had had some mental health issues a year earlier, I had mood stabilizers and stuff like that, which I wasn't on at the time.

I just had them in case psychedelics backfired on me or whatever. And they took my fucking mood stabilizers. It's like, dude, first off, that's not a thing that you want to do at all. Yeah, that's not something that someone should take unless you need them. Yeah, not at all. And then also like, what if I would have been on them regularly at the moment?

What if it would have been heart medication or anything? I mean, I did have like you know also in that like lots of other lots of other fun drugs um but it's just like what a fucking dickhead thing to do because also the prescription things were separate and there was also some uh some um so there's nitrous tanks around oh yeah i've done nitrous and there was like nitrous tanks wars going on i guess it's like incredibly profitable to sell nitrous like when people like go around to these fish shows and there was like some like racial nitrous tank war stuff going on it was pretty when you say racial i don't know what you mean because everybody at fish is white yeah so there's like some black guys getting into selling nitrous at

fish and like crowding in some of the territory and then there was like some white dudes that were just like fucking up random black people that weren't even associated with the nitrous just to like send a fucking message i couldn't believe it this is like the prison system fucking fish yeah this is official right peace love all the fucking nippiest shit it's like it was so disappointing yeah um but you know i guess that's what that's what money will do to anybody fuck yeah that's what that's the problem right isn't that why burning man there's no money out there isn't that that whole thing you just trade shit all the time yeah i haven't i haven't been to burning man i keep hearing about i was supposed to go the i had my big like

psychological break like right before the burning man that i was like i was i was going to like one of the camps there was like going to like get me there, put me up, take care of all my needs. They can't pay you to be there, but they can take care of you. Yeah, take care of you. And so it was like this really terrific opportunity. And so I was going to go, and I just had some issues arise. I ended up in a psych ward at some point you did do you want to talk about it or no oh yeah yeah what would happen what was the psychedelic break

i was shooting a documentary about psychedelics and so i was doing more than i normally would have and i was also going like real hard on the paint trying to have like bigger experience give me scale i mean i was doing mushrooms like three or four times a week for like a few months what do you take in one sitting? like four to ten grams dude I got criticism on one of the podcasts I did

because I said four to five grams is a significant, it's a good amount of fucking mushrooms it's actually what you should be doing really? a couple grams is good for me yeah but amount of fucking mushrooms it's actually what you should be doing really i mean honestly i only a couple grams is good for me yeah but that's so but you're an for for an experienced user it's different right for a novice don't you think you take less no you say go for it yeah there's actually so there's all right of the researchers i'm gonna take 10 at the end of the month i'm

fine with because i'm fine with you doing that. You're prescribing it to me? Yeah. Dr. Moss? I am, and I don't think psychedelics are for everybody. Oh, I love them. I don't tell everyone that they should do them, but there is...

I really couldn't encourage the big dose more. It was just where I fucked up was not allowing time to integrate so so my brain was just like building those connections and some of those connections were just starting to take hold because it was just every other day that's what the problem was so just it was just so it was like a constant yeah your brain something needs a break yeah i mean it's not it's not anything that i know no person would have a inclination to do psychedelics as often as that. But I was just trying to tap into the experience to figure out ways of articulating it for the documentary and come up with what the visuals might look like and everything else. And it was low budget.

We had a short amount of time to do it. And so I was just like really pushing it. And I was also kind of trying to show like you know backfired on me but i was trying to show like other people think like you know these things make it crazy or whatever i'll do such an insane amount of them and i'll still be fine like watch and then i mean you are fine subsequently but you did what was the moment But what was the moment that pushed it over the edge? Ayahuasca was what really got the manic ball rolling. I mean, that shit is kind of dangerous for the brain, don't you think? No.

And I mean dangerous in terms of if you're not secure with oneself, I feel like you can slip away a little bit. You don't think so? If you're doing it in the right setting. See, the problem is I think a lot of people don't have the opportunity to do things correctly. I think if you know the right place and you're going to Peru. And you're with the right people.

Like I was just on my Head Talks show. I was just doing this. guest anthropologist for um a few of the shows with this anthropologist uh or my guest um scientist uh was this anthropologist sophia rocklin who um who lives most of the time in peru wrote a book about peru when plants stream shout out to her she's awesome great communicator and um and she works at a place called Temple of the Way of Light. And so there's all these shady things down the road. If you find the right one, go down there. And I mean, they screen you ahead of time,

so they'll let you know if it's not for you. But I would say that your average person, if you are going to a legitimate place, I'm not saying necessarily that way, but just any legitimate one. There's a lot of resources out there like Michael Pollan has just wrote a book, How to Change Your Mind, that's very popular right now. And on his website, he has all these pretty reputable resources for finding things. And if you do that and you've been screened and everything else, I'd say you're in good

shape. But because of your ingesting of so many mushrooms and the ayahuasca just... And it wasn't even that. It was like the trip itself was absolutely beautiful and wonderful. And people talk about bad trips and it being confusing or making crazy that's not what happened it was uh it was uh the most wonderful trip that i've ever had it was just that like ayahuasca made these like prophecies to me which i didn't take very seriously within the trip because you should never take any trip anything that comes to

you terribly seriously it's kind of the majority of trips, you're like, I'm tripping. I'm just going to have to remember that you're going to get back home. Take it with a grain of salt. Right. But then, and I did that. And then in the subsequent days following that, basically everything that it said was going to happen, happened to me. And it was like bizarre things.

What did it say? Can you explain the prophecies? Yeah, yeah. So it was, this is very the prophecies? Yeah, yeah. So it was... This is very embarrassing. I'm happy to share it, but it is embarrassing. If you're cool to share it. And it's

embarrassing because it... Anyhow, it told me that... It was something that because I was networked with all of these scientists, I was going to find a way of getting more academics interested in exploring um the psychedelic realms and my entry point was going to be through dmt and it was going to be these dmt extended say so there there's um there's a couple people out there trying to do so dmt you smoke it and it's usually like a

five to ten minute long the most extensive experience of your life and but but they're figuring out how to turn it into an iv and just keep it on a stable uh and so so you can so you can have a dmt trip that's like four hours long. Holy fuck. So you can spend more time investigating those areas. And so it was saying something like it was going to be related to these DMT extended state experiences. That was just one of the things. But anyhow, didn't take it very seriously. Came down from the trip. I was on a mountain at the time.

Didn't have cell phone reception. And then when I got down and I had cell phone reception, my very first text that I got was this guy who was running the first big DMT extended state trial. Jesus. And he was like, hey, i see you're in town we're announcing this trial tomorrow on this like gaia tv and we have all these people here flown from wherever all these researchers and everything to talk about it and we uh we were hoping maybe we could um that you would be the first participant in the trial.

Like you'll be the first person ever to do a DMT. For four fucking hours. Joe Rogan, his head would explode. What? Where do you get it? And I was like, what? That's crazy. I was like, okay. Yeah, crazy. I was like, okay.

Yeah, sign me up, you know, whatever. Fuck yeah. And that's like what ayahuasca told me to do last night, weirdly enough. And then I went to this thing, and it was much about what DMT is, and is it this thing that's outside of time and space as we know it? And I started thinking about that and and um one of my first shows that i was trying to put together was about time travel and so i've i've researched time it's one of my favorite subjects to think about but i was kind

of sorting out like how would that happen and how could he communicate things and how could he prove things and so i started like messing around with some ideas and then it seemed like like things just started happening to me that made it feel like maybe I was passing information on to time travelers in the future that were coming back in time and altering my life and reality and once i started feeling that and experiencing that and i it's not like i thought this was real it was like shot in the dark you know but well beyond like a lottery ticket kind of stuff like i wonder if this would work like i'd like record little like secret messages into my podcast, thinking maybe in the future, maybe an AI thing is just downloading everything

that's ever been recorded, searching for how different ideas came along and stuff like that. Sure, I mean, it is. That exists. I mean, all this stuff is stored in the cloud. Yeah, and time travel is, as far as we know, borderline possible,

according to the laws of physics as we know them. Sure. I was going to say, physics would vouch for it. Physics would vouch for it. We just don't do it yet. Yeah. I mean, as far as we know. As far as we know. Anyway, that should be the name of this podcast,

as far as we know. And I believe that. But you believe you were kind of manifesting these things into reality. It seemed like I would think of a thing and I would walk outside and the world as I knew it had changed ever so slightly. Like there would be like billboards and things that were just like very different than how I remembered them. Would you believe in simulation or no? Yeah. I mean, it was an idea that I played around with.

Because that kind of follows a sim theory that you've kind of created your own reality, right? Yeah, I mean, I'm into that. I'm super into it. I think we construct it so much. It would seem weirder to me if we aren't in a simulation right now. Yeah, but I do think sometimes

you're probably more in tune with the simulation than other times in your life, right? I think many people go through their life without being in tune with it, and you probably got really close. I mean, I guess the way that I think about it is, in terms of as far as that goes, is like, so you build,

say you build the game Sim, or World of Warcraft, or whatever. or whatever so yeah you have these computer programmers there's a bunch of like ones and zeros there's a bunch of binary code there's a bunch of coding and everything underlying all of this and then you build these characters and then you eventually want to give them their own characteristics and these individual properties so they can kind of evolve on their own. And so within that character, seeing all of these other people in the roller coaster or the building or the mine or whatever you're doing. The crouton factory.

Yeah, this is happening. I'm in a crouton factory. And that would be a great way of like of letting and there are there are computer models for modeling evolution like the early parts of how trying to sort out how life began on this planet and everything else and that's that'd be a great like hands-off approach of seeing how things evolve on their own and then what if eventually like one of those things just happened to like get into some other thing that allowed it to see like the underlying coding and somehow like alter some things in ways that it didn't even understand

and perhaps you could be part of that thing and maybe that's what's happening it's just this butterfly effect thing that i don't fully understand what's happening yeah there's this i watched this episode of rick and morty recently great show where where they like find this death crystal and you hold on to it and it shows you your death so like if you turn right your death is like 10 minutes from now in a horrible car accident if you turn left you live a long life and and die with the girl you love next to you and and and so uh and morty is just like he he's just holding on to this crystal and he's just like moving about in this way that projects this vision of how he's going to die. And he doesn't understand why or how it's happening or what happens between now and then. He just knows when he moves in this direction that it gets him to the end of this life where he wants to be.

And there's like this scene where he's like going to surely go and get the death penalty. And he's in front of a judge and then he's just like feeling out words like ioway miss florida 86 coconut band and then like the judge is like oh my god like thinks it's her dead husband right like talking to her right and he doesn't understand the context of which like like what he's saying how that's relevant to her but to her this is like this meaningful thing right that he just stumbled across through like feeling out sounds sure and that's what it felt like to me like i was just like feeling out these i somehow they were changing things i didn't understand how but it was what it was what it was happening it seemed like it was i i don't believe

that now looking back but i did you check yourself in kind of believe no. That was against my will. I couldn't stop talking about time travel for a very long time. To whom checked you in? To who? My girlfriend eventually took me to a hospital. And then once they were able to sedate me. So I wouldn't sleep for a long time, like a week or two. And then she took me into a hospital. You didn't sleep for a whole week? I would sleep like one or two like a week or two and then and then she'd take me into a hospital for a whole week i would sleep like one or two hours a night and then i'd wake up like springing

out of bed with like ideas of like there's things i need to write or like there's this thing that's after me and there was times i thought like something inside my mind was trying to take over my body it was fucking crazy i don't don't say don't say the c word yeah i don't like that it was fucking wild wild yeah the c word is has a negative connotation it is it's also just like people allow themselves to write things off and be like well that was just crazy it's like well what does crazy mean then like right say that was crazy still explain how did that person go crazy and in what way it's still you still need to explain how things well yeah i don't know crazy is a way of just being like don't need to think about that

anymore somebody said that i can't remember who said it i i um i i swear to god i thought it was maybe kanye west oh no i'm sorry blah blah blah uh chappelle chappelle was talking about i said I swear to God, I thought it was maybe Kanye West. Oh, no, I'm sorry. Blah, blah, blah. Chappelle. Chappelle was talking about, I say Kanye because I know he's been called crazy a million times. That was my brain went to, because people do. They call him crazy because he has grand ideas.

And he says things that people disagree with and they get mad about. Chappelle was called crazy. And Dave Chappelle, did you ever hear this? And he said, crazy is so dismissive. It's disgusting. It's like saying, I don't get it, so it's wrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's why they called him crazy when he went away for a while. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Crazy is such an incorrect term for someone that's different than you. It's like saying, it's basically saying that you are infallible in your action, and that must be just absurdist because it's not normal to me. It is. It's like someone wants to like – Crazy is killing and eating people, by the way. That's fucking crazy. Well, and that's the thing too is like if you want to like shit in someone else's mouth and someone and someone someone's response to that is like

probably you shouldn't do that people are like you're fetish shaming right now you're you're judging that's wrong for you to do but crazy is still this thing that people are like okay with yeah like oh you thought you thought you were like time traveling or something. You're crazy. I might have been wrong and I might have been off, but like you still need to figure out why I was off in that way. But do you think you were wrong or do you think it was an experience you had?

First off, I had a lot of different ideas and some of them were absolutely wrong. Sure. And especially once paranoia took hold. That's what I'm saying. When paranoia's got its claws in you, that's a different story. Yeah. Right. But experiences that you lived through, they still existed. Yeah. Okay, so they happened. Yeah. I'm not giving them any validation. I'm just saying they happened, and it's a part of your history. It's kind of like we all make a lot of different choices and mistakes and positives and negatives in our courses of life, and I feel like they're undeniable, so they happened. And again, not to go call back, but you keep it moving. I think once you've re-centered yourself, you just learn to keep it moving to go okay i am now ready to

have a next core chunk of experience and course in my life and i probably won't make those those things again do those things again because i don't want to do it again i'd rather i did it i'd rather move on to a different chapter yeah so i think it's a oddly it's a weird positive because talking to you now i didn't know this about you i had no idea um but it's it's a weird positive because talking to you now, I didn't know this about you. I had no idea. But it's refreshing to hear you be honest about something that you said was embarrassing because I don't think, dude, I don't think it's embarrassing. I felt embarrassed when I had severe, and I mean severe, panic attacks. I had, what's the fucking term? I can't even think about it. I couldn't leave the house. I had agoraphobia. I think that's it.

When you can't leave, I couldn't leave my home. I couldn't leave the place that I was staying at because I had pure panic, dude. When I walked outside, I felt like I was going to die. My chest would cave in.

I would have these ocular migraines. I'd go blind. I had all of this stuff that it was triggered by a million different things. I didn't pay attention to them when they were happening, you know? So I led myself.

I was embarrassed. I was ashamed. Like like my friends i lied to all my friends and i made up stories because i was ashamed to tell them the truth which i was struggling with my mental health right but i was ashamed for no reason it was like why would i be shameful of of something that i i'm experiencing like it's not my fucking fault that things are happening. Like, this is the way the world works, you know? So I think it taught me a lot about myself. It taught me a lot about, which I imagine this did for you too. It teaches you a lot about your position in the world

and what you want to accomplish, where you want to go, what you want to focus on. I think it gives us balance, dude. I think like, I wouldn't take back that moment for anything, but I don't want to go, what you want to focus on. I think it gives us balance, dude. I think like I wouldn't take back that moment for anything, but I don't want to live it again. Yeah, I mean, it's also, let's not forget empathy. I mean, that's a really important factor is certainly everything that I went through. Like when I pass someone on the street and they're like, you know what?

Most people are like, holy shit, that's a crazy person. There's a thing in space that's telling me that my family's being held hostage or whatever. I'm like, oh, yeah. Yep, that's a thought that you'll have. Dude, I told a joke one time where i said and this was true by my old place there used to be a guy who i'd give money to once in a while when he had good days because some days he wouldn't have a good day and i would stay away from him and he'd be violent he would be throwing stuff and breaking shit and some days he'd be having a good day and i'd give him a couple of

bucks if i was walking down to trader joe's and um he would yell he would yell and be he would be at like kind of like a i don't know and like the same angle every time he would yell. He would yell and be, he would be at like kind of like a, I don't know, like the same angle every time he would yell, just yell and stare into space. You know, he would just stare out up into the distance and he would scream. And one time, that's why it turned into a joke, I thought to myself as I'm sitting at a stoplight, I was like, maybe that guy's got the answer. Like maybe that is the, maybe he's figured it all out like

maybe he's just like professing all this shit he's like no one will listen to me i know all the stuff yeah it's just because it's it's just a different perspective on the world yeah it really was i mean even scarier to me when i think about that is i think there might be a kind of a Pavlovian response sometimes where sometimes... So, you know, you become a comedian. Like, oh, fun. Won't that be... Get up, I'll tell jokes, I'll make people laugh.

And then you go and you figure out your rule of three. Like, hey, here's my premise. And now I've reinforced an expectation. And now with the third example, I talk about my genitals. And you figure out the structure. Sure. And you got it. You sort that out first.

If you're good. If you're going to be good you'll figure it out you'll figure those things out probably first that's the 101 and then um and not that there's not like some out there oddballs that just like get how that like on thing you know emo phillips or eugene merman or said that like just get the absurdity like right away on a different level for some things click for some different people. But the point is you have your fun, cute little jokes, and then one day you get on stage and you had a rough day,

and then you go like, my fucking neighbor did this and that, and my dick didn't work last night and then and then you get like the biggest laugh you've gotten in a while because it's like very genuine and everything that's real and then uh and then i i think there's something in your head that goes huh what just happened there that was a big what did i do there you go back and die and go oh i like exposed this vulnerability about myself like nasty little bits of myself can i get into then you start like being more vulnerable and and i think it can go to an extreme like a in the example of a comedian where you can eventually be you know it becomes this very like exhibitionist kind of like look at all my naughty parts and

it's actually i'm i'm much into like what is the story that your inner world is feeding to your consciousness and why what are the mechanisms what are the criteria for it to show you these things that it's deeming relevant for you to experience yeah and and so is it the case that if you like get known as like this like degenerate comedian that you're that your subconscious just like drives you to get more into these degenerate situations so you have more of these stories to tell and is that the case with some of these fucking homeless people out there where they were just like started out of just like, God, I got laid off. It's not going so.

And then they had a day where they just couldn't fucking take it anymore. And then the day they went crazy was the day that people put the most fucking money in their cup. And then the internal worlds go like oh i know what works for us that crazy shtick yeah we should keep doing that and they and it might be this i've had that same thought i've had that same thought i've said to myself in a more condensed version i've said i want to see i can't be a hero no i love it but i'm saying we had a parallel thought because i thought the same thing, which I was like, I wonder,

I would love to see the day that it started. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm saying what you're saying. It's wild. Right, right, right. I just saw the little piece of it. Yours is much more in depth. I'm an idiot, dude, okay?

But I would love to see the day that it started because I imagine the crux of that was fascinating. Like the beginnings of those things, of anything. I bet it was a small break. Always. It always is though, isn't it? Isn't it? Like the same thing with comedy.

The same thing with any kind of, you know, anything in our universe like that becomes a larger thing usually starts extremely small. And then we're like, oh shit. It opens up this door into a million other things. And me being someone who's never actually seen Tim and Eric, but say Tim and Eric actually tried in the beginning to make a high-quality thing, and then they looked at it and tried to edit it, and it was kind of laughable.

But then they're like, but that's actually funny. Or super subversive. And then you put it but then they're like, but that's actually funny. Yeah. Or super subversive, yeah. And then you put, and then I'm like, oh, and then you get rewarded for that. Totally. It might have just been very normal dudes that then just got rewarded.

I mean, that happens in our society all the time. A lot of musicians will say that they didn't intend on making that kind of music. I'm not saying the majority but i'm saying there's people that go you know there's a kid named post malone do you know who that is you familiar with him yeah he even out loud was like i'm not a rapper but like they rapper categorize him he's like i just make fucking music and now he sings a lot he does a kind of like folky country stuff and people were trying to put their finger on him but he was like

you guys said that I was a rapper. I fucking didn't say that. I fucking, just because I rapped a few times. Sturgill Simpson's kind of the same way. I love Sturgill Simpson. I fuck with that dude so hard. I think he's incredible.

I don't know enough about him, but yeah. He can't be categorized. He is, he's someone who loves psychedelics. He likes the sauce. He likes to explore his mind and his writing reflects that

there's a great story i think i've told on this podcast but i i like to say it to people that don't know he he um he on on two albums ago uh on i think it's time traveler's guide to the universe i think that was the album but he did um nirvana's in bloom um and maybe one of the best songs that he ever wrote in bloom is such a good fucking song because it was nirvana's In Bloom. And maybe one of the best songs that he ever wrote. In Bloom is such a good fucking song because it was Nirvana's way of professing to the audience that they didn't get him. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was insane. He was really saying, he was like, you know, he's the one that likes all our pretty songs and he likes to sing along, but he doesn't know what it means. Yeah, yeah. He likes to shoot his gun. He has no idea that like,

Kurt was kind of inundated with these bro fans that he was like yeah yeah you're not who this is for but oddly enough that's who we attract and especially he was like fucking with people all the time too which is like he would have like his method was like here's one line that is profound and meaningful and then the next line is pure gibberish yeah it's nonsense and then and then back and forth like that and people didn't get it and they read into every line well yeah but that can be that can be music does that so much that some things get misinterpreted so many times that they're so far away from the original meaning that even the artist goes i didn't i don't maybe i don't even know you know but sturg I guess, had said he wanted to do the song,

and I guess he wrote Kurt Cobain's Trust or whatever, your legacy or whatever they call that, and said that he wanted to do it, and Daughter and Corny Lover or whatever, whomever runs the Trust was like, we don't really like to put out Kurt's song. We don't let other people kind of redo the songs. That's not really what he wants to do and i guess sturgill made the song

i might be a little bit off on this on the tail of it but i guess he made the song and sent it to her or or or just sent her the music without the lyrics or one of the two and then they approved it apparently was like this is it's honestly i'll play with you when you're off the podcast. It's one of my favorite songs of all time. It makes me feel so many things because it's just as like this, it's this call to, it's this call to a generation, obviously for my youth, that was like so meaningful to me. And also for my guy who I like as a musician, who traditionally a lot of people in his category wouldn't fucking play Nirvana. Do you know what I mean? Like it probably wouldn't be a lot of country music artists whatever the fuck you want to say

but i think that's the beauty which is also the beauty of great comedy dude which is why what you just said was so cool before that about making a transition into what you're finding what you really want to do in comedy is fucking wild. It's cool that you're finding your specific niche about the talks that you want to have, the interactions. A conversationalist, I think you said about somebody before, and that's kind of what you want to become. That's what you are becoming because you don't want to get labeled. I think that's pretty tits, if I can use the expression.

So are you on tour right now where can people come see you and come the fuck out and do that fucking everywhere everywhere all of the time shanemos.com my main thing that I do full time is stand up science

which is two scientists second comedian on each show half science talks half comedy and now I just did a trial run of a psychedelic version of that called head talks cool and i'm now uh touring with that every few months i'm kind of a little more at the whim of my guests there because it's harder to find psychedelic researchers than than scientists in every city. And I still do regular stand-up from time to time.

But if you get to see me do regular stand-up, that doesn't happen. I have a goal of only doing three weeks of regular comedy club stand-up next year. No, four weeks. And I already have three of those weeks booked. There's only going to be one more. It's going to be... It's going to have to be one of my favorite clubs in the country.

I love that. Go taste the chocolate. Check out my podcast. Here we are. If you want to hear a bunch of science stuff in a hopefully accessible and entertaining way. They'll like it. it i know they will we'll put all that shit in the description below we'll put shanemoss.com down there and by the way yeah could i tell you we were talking about moving on yeah actually the name of the here we are podcast is about how so so i i talk with uh evolutionary biologists and psychologists and neuroscience people and psychologists, a lot of life science stuff, but a lot of people addressing kind of the expanse of the human condition and all of the different variables that go into like why you bought the thing for a gift for christmas for your friend like breaking

that down to like a billion years ago what happened and and i sometimes get so caught up on that that it's just like life is just so complex and so overwhelming that that i i almost start and i'm not one i don't have anxiety or like panic issues much i have depression stuff but sometimes it just gets so vast that i'm just like what the fuck and the only thing that i can tell myself is just like well here we are and so that's my kind of mantra like keep it moving well here we are and keep it fucking moving yeah dude it's been honestly a pleasure uh i want to link everything for everyone below in the description please go see this dude i think he's incredible i don't get to see him enough i'm glad that i got to see you i'm glad you came i got to see you this is fucking so good

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