Whiskey Ginger with Andrew Santino - Taran Killam

Episode Date: November 25, 2022

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My guest today is one of my favorite people on earth. I say that for all my guests, but I mean it. Once again today, it is the first time, hopefully not the last time, with Taron Killam. Taron? Andrew, I like you so much. Cheers, man. Say no more. That's the end of the episode right there.

That's all I need to know. I hope this is an hour of just people watching two guys become friends very good friends is what i hope also um you walked in woof delicious i mean just delicious the best the best uh you walked in and you said to me i started a whiskey brand this summer no no even even less impressive but more informative i made a whiskey this summer for my own private use i have two 50 gallon barrels aging on a property that my wife and i own in canada whoa i did a i did a like a week-long course and, I sort of asked, Hey, I'm excited about that. I'm fat. I love whiskey. I love whiskey.

Yeah. Um, they said, all right, we call this number. Um, no, but I said,

I want to take your distilling course that you have. I'm also interested in purchasing the batch. If that's something you would consider. Right. And there are smaller distilleries. So they're like, yeah, we think so.

Well, we can help you out with that. And then we like, we had to do it in like, I bought whatever 500, you know, three liter bottles or whatever right um but uh we did the mash they showed me how to strip still how to call them still the whole process they showed us how they make their neutral spirits um i went all in i know more now about alcohol than i ever thought i would because I didn't start drinking

until I was about 30 years old why? I didn't like the taste I have a sweet tooth I didn't, I didn't, I round a lot a majority of my developmental years were in Big Bear, California a lot of churches up there

a lot of faith no culture or minimal culture. I think mostly it was about control. Like I didn't like the idea of not being in control of my own facilities, but it was also a taste thing where I just like, I'd rather have a Coca Cola than any of these foul tasting things. Cut to one of the more stressful jobs i've ever had drove me to drink you're talking about one of your animated jobs that you did i'm talking about wild and out yeah dude so so good stressful you got to come up with it on the spot you got to be top of the dome top of the dome you gotta be wild and um no i got really sick working in new york

like so congested. And someone I was working with was like, you know, because you don't drink, you should try some whiskey. You should try like just a bourbon or whatever. And it'll probably knock you out. And they were so right. It saved my life. And it was the first time that I had ingested alcohol with like a functional purpose. And then so that kind of opened the door. I got married when I was 30 um we went on a honeymoon

um that april and we went to like a like in the caribbean like a small island this like very nice resort and my wife was like are you gonna do if ever you were gonna really go for it this is the place to do it you're safe you know if you swim out you'll wash away and become a memory um no but but she's like do it do it so i would have probably like two jack and cokes maybe three if i was pushing i'm like i'm just not feeling it i don't understand going past this limit our third night there she says to the bartender make me your favorite thing to make like a fun thing that nobody ever orders and he made her a mudslide oh okay and so if you've learned any little bit about my history take my flavor profile sweets sugar and it's just a chocolate milkshake yeah i'd already probably had two or so jack and cokes and then had three mudslides oh boy and that was the first time where i felt the true effects right and it was like me and my new wife and me

going like look where we are look at how far we've come look at our life and i learned that i'm a very emotional drunk and yeah and and got up to go to the bathroom and did the wobble and that was the beginning of the end but emotional in a good way it's yes it's better than the jackal hide thing where it's like uh angry yeah i get sentiment i get like really nostalgic i'll be like remember when we used to hang out and people like dude like, dude, shut up. We've told this story like 100 times. I'd rather be that guy than the guy that's like, shut up! Trying to fight the whole bar. For sure.

By the way, is that why your kid's name is Mudslide? Yeah, exactly. I was like, why would he name his child Mudslide? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's cool, man. They bring me joy. Okay, I don't want to harp on it too much. Even though we don't know each other that well at all.

Well, I know you in a parasocial way, right? That's what's so funny. We have a lot of mutuals. don't want to harp on it too much even though we we don't know each other yes that well at all well i know you in a parasocial way right that's what's so funny is like i know we have a lot of mutual yeah we have a lot of mutual friends yes and that show that will not be named we can name it no but it did a lot of things it did a lot of things for a lot of different people and i've heard all i've had so many friends be a part of the institution yes so many people that have come and gone through my life uh did you i tested pete's year okay davidson's year okay you were just on the show you were just you was it were you still on or were you leaving no i uh when pete came on i think i i feel like pete and i did maybe two seasons together one or two seasons together yeah yeah but i was over there and the emotions that people

had about that place was always so wild to me so when i would go back to visit yeah it felt kind of nice because i there was no pressure for me to just come hang and i felt the you guys of it like i felt beck and kyle and yeah it was so interesting to like see it from my outside not having not gotten in it's a very complicated thing it's a very complicated thing. It's a very complicated thing because there's nothing like it and I do find like you spend some time away from it and you start to get a little more perspective and

appreciate the high highs and try to forget about the low lows a little bit more. It's also like probably the number one thing I've learned speaking about it publicly is that it is a beloved institution that for anybody of our generation is older than us. And no one really wants to hear you complain to me. No, I know.

In the way where you go like you won't understand. But it's also like, yeah, but like if that's your worst problem we should all be so lucky and i'm much more in that place like i just had dinner with a couple of people who left recently and it was so healthy for me to kind of sit and see the freshness of i think i think so much of it is just stamina right of just like it just is where it's six days a week and it's the hardest, most demanding, most judgmental job that you worship. Right. Like my new epiphany is that for a lot of my life, I was like, probably I think arrogant in a healthy way in that I was like, I went through high school and college and early industry, kind of not caring what people thought of me kind of going like, no, I'm good. And I'm going to be good. And I deserve and working there really was the first time where I cared so much what

the people around me thought of me that, that in some ways it started to cripple me a little bit or get me in my head in a way that I wasn't used to. Um, and I think like people have said before, you know, it kind of can bring out the worst in you and that is true. But if you are lucky enough to be on it, uh, you know, I worked on it on the show for six years, everything that comes from now on is because of it. And, and, and I'm very aware of that. And, and yeah, so that dinner, that dinner with the recent graduates was like, oh, I remember. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I've now almost been off the show for as long as I was on it.

So it's like a breakup where they say, like, you need half the time of the relationship to fully get over that. Yeah, that's what I've heard. Or maybe I just made that up. Yeah, you. That's a you thing. But that's great. I do like that. I'm going to take that with me.

Yeah. you thing but that's great i do like that i'm gonna take that with me yeah so you know it's um it's it is was will forever be my dream job yeah like it was my golden ticket from the time you know i always loved the show my whole life but i did i did mad tv with bobby lee we got hired together and after doing that it became much more attainable kind of to me. Yeah. And I dedicated a lot of focus and energy and work and discipline towards that goal and achieved it. And that is still surreal to me.

It's surreal. Well, there's only a handful of people that did. There's only two cast members or three that did mad tv and snl isn't that true i only think it's two of us yeah me and and jeff richards yeah yeah that's so weird man it was because you would assume that they might steal people over the years like in your mind you're like well they could probably steal a few people but there's at least two and a half that i like peel was hired i guess that's true yeah and Mad didn't let him out of his contract and it tanked his career. Where are you at now,

Jordan Peele? I mean, what do you think he's doing right now, dude? He's just scrounging for pennies somewhere in a fountain in a mall. Sad guy, dude. That's what you get. That's what you get. Just looking at something and going, I like that shade of purple, and then turning it into one of the most striking, memorable

cinematic tableaus we've ever seen. He's doing pretty good. Thank you, Danite. He's doing pretty good. But you're doing really good, dude. You're very good. You're constantly – you have your fingers in something. Yeah.

And that's impressive because also when you get out of SNL, some people need like a – some people just – I feel like a lot of people are like, I don't – they're confused or they're or they're you know i don't know they just don't know what they want the next thing to be sure and like i said we have both we have friends that have i've that i've seen do that thing where they're like i don't fucking know what i want to do man yeah because i'm a little overwhelmed from that and i'm gonna go to the mountains for a year which i know guys that did that so it's like yeah it's nice that you kind of you came out of the gate running anyway it's not like you let it kind of i mean you went right on a sitcom right away uh sort of yeah i got to do hamilton for like the year after right i got off the show which was the best kind of healthiest uh rebound job yeah and then and then yeah that when i came out here we did that we did single parents for two seasons which was like the sweetest, best gig I've ever had.

I loved that gig so much. And the money isn't bad. Money pads any future creative choices for a little bit. That's right. Now you can kind of pick and do whatever you want. You can buy barrels of whiskey to just sit on for years. Where in Canada? Can you say?

BC. Yeah. BC. Like three hours north of Vancouver. I love British Columbia. Same. Same, same. I married a BC girl.

Oh, she's from up there. Yeah. Yeah. I love it up there, man. Although every time I go to Vancouver, I'm like, this city's amazing. And then I get online and I'm like, is that a $8 million apartment in Vancouver? I didn't know for years it was like that. I thought it was expensive, but it's like New York.

It's comparable, if not slightly more competitive for many reasons. If you do research, Vancouver's always voted in the top five cities globally to live, like ideal places to live. There's also a big transference of Chinese money that comes over a lot of money but i mean way more up there yeah yeah in that they're they kind of try to do the debt the balance of regulations and that like yes we like money and and this is good for us in some ways but what will happen is that because of the communist government uh successful uh chinese citizens will come to vancouver buy an eight million dollar apartment and let it sit as an investment yeah there's there's places where somebody told me people weren't living in half of the building but it was already bought

yes that's a thing creepy to me it's an interesting thing well it is one of the most livable what's the what's the number one place to die in the world that's what i kind of want to know oh my gosh what do you think that would be to die yeah number one number one place to die in the world that's what i kind of want to know oh my gosh what do you think that would be to die yeah number one number one place to die um i feel like an like an icier place like a norway right or something like a viking i was gonna say i was gonna say iceland yeah yeah i think that's right i think we nailed it okay we got it yeah we got it we did it we'll move on that's it we know exactly where you should be dying yeah you're you're born and raised here are you going to live in california you think for the rest of your life oh what an interesting question i have two daughters who are in school here now and that really dictates a lot of our

life right now you can always get rid of them though yeah you can leave them somewhere i have friends that have left kids all over the country huh yeah you just pick up and move on it's kind of strange there's this whole like daddy where you going mommy where you been and you kind of just take off i've been cursed with two children i like oh you love them so yeah unconditionally unfortunately that stinks man um when they're gone out of the house or any other by any other means that you may help me with off camera, I think we could spend a lot more time in BC. I know we'd like to get back to New York. Yeah. Both my wife and I got to do some Broadway theater when we were there and fell in love.

That was the dream before the dream in many ways. So we don't know. London. I'd like to live in london that would be cool i like london a lot i love london i'm going there beginning of the year just to go yeah and people are like you're gonna go in january and i was like and they're like why i'm like i i i grew up you grew up in cold yeah a nightmare city of cold so then when i went out west i was like i sometimes like the bitter, absolute nonsense cold.

It's kind of fun. When somebody goes, why would you go there then? It's like, because I don't have to live in it. I just get to go touch it for a while and then go back home. It's novel. It's also like a city, you know, if Chicago is 250 years old, this is like 1,200, you know what I mean? 1,200 years old. This is like 250 million years old. Yeah. You know what I mean? 1200 years old. It's beautiful.

I also want my places like London to be cold and wet when I go into a pub to get annihilated drunk. That's what I want it to be dreary and wet.

Fair and wise. Yes. That's wise. You know, like when you walk out of a bar in LA and it's sunny, it's boring. Yeah, you're like,

oh, I messed up. Am I on a TV show? I feel like it's like I'm being filmed at're like oh i messed up am i on a tv show i feel like it's like i'm being filmed yeah at all times i like it to feel like i come out of a bar at night and it's cold and wet new york has that a lot too when i get out of bars out of like basement bars you're like oh this is great that was those were some of like the most meditative like like pristine moments were like a long night and you're like i don't know if i'll ever be funny again or if i ever was funny yeah but it's you know 3 45 4 in the morning and this just the streets are covered in snow and it's just you and you're you know and like a taxi and you're like this is the most

magical place in the world it is yeah true no new york truly is one of those spots where i do want to move there but i'm afraid if I do, I'll disappear. Like I will just get lost in the sauce and I'll be bar hopping all night pretending to be like, I'm writing something. I'm not. I'm just drinking and meeting up with people way too much. That city can pull you into just having fun all of the time. Yes. Unless you have a high pressure job where you have to work six days a week and then.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the balance. Yeah, that you have a high pressure job where you have to work six days a week and then. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then you. That's the balance. Yeah, that's the balance of all of it. What do you think was, I'm glad you said that honestly about saying, I don't know if I'll be funny again. We've all had these moments of like, you know, we've all done. You're like, I'm not funny.

This isn't funny. And this is annoying. And you know, that's not true. But what you're saying to yourself is like, I'm sick of whatever I'm ideating. It's not, I don't like any of this shit. Of course, a lot of it's probably still funny. Yeah. But you're like, it's yucky about whatever is spinning in my mind these weeks or months or whatever.

Is there or was there a time when the opposite happened, right? When it was like you wrote something for the show or something else you did where you're like this is exactly what i'm supposed to fucking do oh that's interesting that's interesting like is there a moment and the reason i i asked that is because you know having to come up with your own shit for that show in particular makes you kind of it broadens your comedy experience that you already had prior to the show but then when you come out of the show are there have there been projects that you've worked on or even on there that you're like oh dude i this is my thing i yes yes um i i think the best answer to that question um it it i have like an example of it and it's it's equal parts like oh i am capable and oh yeah this can be joyous and easy and fun yeah but there's also like a maddening sensation to that where like

the thing that you worked on for for maybe sometimes like two weeks and you pitch in you're like no it doesn't and you tweak it and you go just never sees the light of day and and people are like why do you keep pitching why do you believe in this yeah and and then the inverse of that is like i did mcconaughey after the oscars and on update right and and it was right after true detective season one and i'd watched all of that and his thank you acceptance speech was just nonsense of metaphors and and me and mikey day like i i kind of pitched him the thing he's like absolutely and i think i honestly like improvised for 25 minutes. We wrote down most of that. He added like five or six jokes and it was done.

And that's pretty much what went on air on air. And you're just like, and, and, and we enjoyed it and we laughed or like, this is ridiculous. So silly. And it just caught that thing.

Like it is the thing that I both love and, and like at times start to surrender on, which is like when it's funny it's funny when you're in it and you just can't help but laugh it's just there as subjective as comedy is sometimes there you step just slightly closer to objectivity where you're like that's really funny and silly and everybody everybody would be like that's very funny yeah that's great yeah and that and that was well received and that was fun to perform. Like, it was so fun to perform. Yeah.

And it was like, that took half an hour and it made good TV. That's nuts. And everything else I've put, like, my heart and soul into is, like, placed at the bottom of the stack and trash and stuff, you know? So it's maddening. There's absolutely moments where you get where you you re are rewritten by the bug so to speak right where you go like oh yeah this right and i think for me in those i'd be curious to hear your answer too for me those moments of like i'm not funny again also now mixing in as i age of like what's the point? Like to what means it's for that thrill of just,

of, of the presence of discovery and enjoyment of, of comedy. I don't know that there is an art form. I love more than that. It's very well said. And also what you said is I haven't really articulated, but when you said it,

I was like, Oh my God, that's exactly what it is. Sometimes the thing you make in the shortest amount of time, for some reason, it's so authentically you comedically, your brain hasn't had enough time to analyze, dissect and ruin it. You know what I mean? I do. You didn't give your comedy mind enough time to be like, oh, fuck this, you know, and go

to town on it. And I just shot a Netflix special and and i you know the the editor was like hey man like gotta give your first round like let's go let's let's go you know and i was sitting for a week because i just had so much anxiety about it and i literally would go home set up my computer make coffee do the thing get ready and then the moment i would go to look at it i was like i'm gonna play with the dog and i would go play with the dog in the backyard for an hour yes like a loser and then i'd find something else to fix and then my computer would die eventually and i go well i gotta charge it i'm not gonna be on it while it's charging i'm gonna

put in the so i found ways to to just procrastinate procrastinate and then finally my wife was like come on dude like you really should like take a night let's do let's do the thing and i admit it i was like i need your help i just need you to like be there right near me because I'm, I just, I hate, I loathe watching my shit. It's just hard. It's just weird to do

because you nitpick it and you're like, why do you look like that, you dummy? You look like, like whenever you watch bad something, don't you just go,

you look so stupid right there. Everything, and the thing I'm looking at and criticizing is not helpful to making it better either. It never is. No,

it's just nitpicking. So anyway anyway like you said it was funny but uh i had put two jokes in or two uh two tags i had put in the special that i had wrote literally waiting for the show to begin i was in the dressing room and i was going through the list and going over and i just for some reason it was like oh i really like that and i wrote that down and then the second one came again it was almost like consecutive and I was like well I'll just try it on the first show if it's trash I won't do it for the second show and it was in the first show and it did great and we're keeping it and I was like that's just what it is it was so when I wrote

it I was like oh that's really funny and it made me laugh and I didn't try to ruin it yeah and once we put it out it was done thank god I didn't have time to keep trying. And yeah, those moments are what make you go, oh man, that's okay. This is great. I know what I love. I love this, that thing. I don't love the playing surgery on comedy.

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Which is, you know. But is so important for, you know, so much of my background is from improv and from sketch and never stand, like i don't have the courage quite honestly to do stand-up i think you could do just fine just in that i mean there seems you in the same way that maybe you're defending yourself by going like i'm going to distract and play with the dog i'm going to do the thing so that i don't dig in and truly have to criticize improv as that built-in protectiveness you know what i mean we're like it was never supposed to be good it was that we didn't even plan a single word of it you wanted this to be funny you're an idiot exactly and anything you liked i'm a genius

and just thought of it and i'm a natural funny person you know i think that there is something to the dna of that not that that there i also think that there is a skillset required and, and, and a set of tools for improv, but so much of, of, of standup and, and standup that I respect is, is surgical. And then the extra added thing of making it be like, no, what's not surgical. This is I'm talking to you. It's an art form that I love, that I am in awe of. And yet don't feel the pull to it. The only times it happens are only the worst part of my ego going like well at least i could control it and monetize it and travel around and do the thing and the people who are good at it that that i respect

have an extra layer of like no it is my art form you know it is for sure it is it's also that's the funny about it's also fart jokes do you know what i mean you're like this is art and you're like well it's penis fart art but it is art but it's i love that wacky bullshit i mean that's yeah yeah did you growing up as a kid in la did your did you ever get into the because your parents are artists right so like did they ever did you ever go to like a comedy club when you were a kid did you ever get to see the world not as a kid no like like uh stand-up stand-up of came, like all of comedy came backwards to me. Like when Bobby, like I auditioned for mad TV as like a funny actor who could,

who is a good mimic. And then when it was in TV guidance, like comedians, Bobby Lee and Taryn Killam are hired for, I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa,

whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That is not my label, bro. And then like going with Bobby Lee to the comedy store, those are some of my first experiences, like a stand-up environment, you know.

But you do consider – but you are a comedian. Yes. Now I've made peace and I go like, okay, I've earned some stripes with that. Yeah. I think that's a weird – there is a weird line that a lot of – I'll have this oftentimes with friends of mine who are comedic actors where they'll go. And by the way, everything they've fucking done is a comedic acted performance. And they'll go, oh, dude, no, I'm not a comic. And it's like, no, you're a comedian.

Right. You're not a standup comic, but you're a comedian. And they still won't take the label. They're like, no, I don't think so, man. That's different. Well, you guys don't like. No, no, no. You're a you're a comedian.

I've heard Sasso do that more and more where he's like,'m an actor and i'm like yes you are a talented actor undeniably sure but shunning the and and like my 13 episodes on mad tv like sasso was like my guardian angel like the best and that was the same year that the tenacious d album came out and we would go into his dressing room and he'd play the songs on guitar and we'd sing. He's just one of my favorite people of all time. And killer calves, by the way. Best calves in the game. Such just tight, strong, shaped calves. Unbelievable.

Carved. Yeah. It is kind of like when you used to see statues of men's legs and you were like, who has those legs? And that size. Sasso. That's actually him. Yes.

That is legitimately him. But yeah, no, you are a comedian. And also like that thing of like you are an actor, right? That's where your core is. Yes. Which is funny because I'm the opposite. I'm a comedian who loves to act. You know what I mean?

Like I'm not in the world of Broadway. And are very good at it. It's okay. It's okay. You on Dave is one of my favorite'm not in the world of Broadway. And are very good at it. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay. You on Dave is one of my favorite performances in any show of recent years. Like that show surprised the hell out of me. It surprised me too.

We didn't think it was going to go. I legitimately was like, is this show going to be a fucking thing or not? It's so good. It's really special. Well, I hope the third season doesn't let you down. I'm going to call you the moment it airs. Tell me what you think now. Yeah. Great. On one of these old phones. Great, great, great. Not a you down. I'm going to call you the moment it airs. Tell me what you think now on one of these old phones.

Great, great, great. Not a cell phone. See, that's the stand-up improv. Improv knows the space work. That's actually right. No, but it was always a fear of mine. And this is something I want to ask you, too, is, like, you know, when you're a kid, some people are so comfortable being like, I want to be an actor.

I want to be a singer. I want to be, and I was so scared of admitting it. Maybe it's because also where I came from, it was kind of, that just wasn't our world in Chicago. We didn't know anybody in the arts of any semblance. Yeah.

I mean, literally nobody in my family has any sort of art. Yeah. Yeah. No musicians. No, we have nothing. We have construction workers,

cops. Right. There, there is no like you know what i mean yeah but they're the funniest on job site that's for sure they'll tell you that but for me i couldn't admit for almost ever that i wanted to be a comedian or an actor so i would just be like i want to be in television somehow and i lied yeah and then finally until i actually was like doing stand-up on the regular when i moved here that i admitted to my parents i was like you know i'm doing stand-up and i was like but if i have a job i you know i just kept the job i was like i have a job just so you know like that's just a

it's you know it's what i love but i mean it's come on it's fucking yeah like did you did you admit right away when you were young that you knew you wanted i just i think it's whatever pool you come from i just i came from a pool that was like, you should do this before I even knew what it was. They were very influential on being like, we need to get you a part of the theater as a kid. Yeah, like a lot of tangential industry, family members and stuff.

Like my mom's uncle was Robert Stack. And so like, yeah, from Unsolved Mysteries and The Untouchables and airplane unsolved mysteries voice was incredible yeah 18 1974 in montreal you did one somebody told me you did one i got my sag card by being a reenactor on an episode of unsolved mysteries yeah how old were you when you did it 11 10 or 11 something like that for people that don't understand unsolved mystery i mean for our generation unsolved mysteries so wow it was like so ominous yes and cool yes and like it i don't but well but silly though too right it wasn't like

um what is it now that like like inside it or what what sunday there's some 60 minutes like no like that's more news but there's's people that do true crime news reports. It's like, I found a head in the freezer. I was going to say the podcast world of true crime now. 100%. That's what Unsolved Mysteries was. Right. But this was more fun because sometimes it'd be aliens

and sometimes it would be, and they vanished. It wasn't so much like... They were never found again. They had a trailer in the desert where he would torture and cut apart the bodies. And you're like, oh, man, we know everything now. Yeah, I don't get into that world. Every woman I know, I don't know if your wife liked this, they love true crime stuff.

And boy, oh, boy, do I not like it at all. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't want to hear about killing. And like, because they always say this, they'll go, and you won't believe what happened. You're like, no, I don't want to know. I don't don't yeah i don't want to know that his fingers were spread in every state in the united states it was like it grosses me out i think like i think i had my phase and i feel like it overlapped with cereal you know what i mean like like i got caught up in that pocket for sure yeah and when cereal was out we were invited to thanksgiving out on shelter island which is like east of long island yeah and and i drove the family and i put like my ear pods in or whatever and and listened

to most of it on that drive and so now like all of eastern long island is just good places to hide bodies you know what i mean like that's all that the terrain represents like that's a good exit they would not find it right there they would not find it in that thick. That's a good exit for a neck. They would not find it right there. They would not find it in that thicket. That's a good thicket. Good thicket. And no, but I'm with you now. And parenthood certainly has informed this where like even Dahmer, people are like, are you watching Dahmer? because I have the true privilege of not coming from that kind of trauma, drama, the need to fulfill that kind of curiosity.

I just don't. My childhood best friend went to Marquette, and every time – I mean, prior to Dahmer, now the whole social zeitgeist of it all, back then, when I was a kid and hearing about him, he was this weirdo Midwest dude, and my best friend went to Marquette, and he would show me the places because he was a legend. People in Marquette would always talk about because Dahmer's house was like right near there. It was right near Marquette's campus.

Wasn't too far away. And I remember him telling me about it and me paying almost no mind to it as if like, yeah, he's just some weirdo creepo killer you know yeah and then now cut to this year he's like he's been like he's he's like been vetted as like one of the greatest serial killers so trending he's so he's becoming the hip like i guarantee you i guarantee you there's a million dommer costumes for halloween this weekend certainly like. Like it's, it's, I know. And that's how it always goes every year. Like whatever's closest to Halloween that hits is what becomes the costume.

Yeah. But. And you are taking the power away a little bit by trivializing it. Like it, like it's that balance. Are we glorifying or are we diminishing? It's hard. By making him a soap opera, silly,

like character. Right. Um, yeah, it's, it's hard. It's, well,

it's tough to know because also I'm sure the families are still like character right um yeah it's hard it's well it's tough to know because also i'm sure the families are still like that's yeah and that's come out a bunch from what i've read that's gonna be tough to yeah i heard the families that testified because they use the real footage to mock them exactly and i've heard the families are not not not so keen yeah lighten up yeah take it easy what did you kill kill you, kid? Grow up. It's insane for people to be so passe about something that affected someone so deeply like that. But, you know, we're in a sick world. We're in a sick, sick world.

I've noticed. Come to BC, man. Let's make it sweet or soft. Let's go to Canada. Nothing bad ever happens in BC. Oh, my God. Cut to on the news. Cut to pig farmers who fed bodies.

Yeah, yeah. I do love Canadaada i have an affinity for canada i've talked about on the show because i played so much canada over the years and touring up there it's it what's wonderful is it's not that far from us but sometimes you go to cities where they don't get a ton of entertainers to come through yeah vancouver is different but when i'll go to western canada uh a lot of times they're like yeah we only get a couple of acts a year of certain musicians or sometimes we'll get comics, but not a lot of shit will come through. And they're so appreciative.

Yeah. Which is so cool because sometimes they go to these fucking cities in the United States and they couldn't care. They're acting like you're lucky that they came to your show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is wild. You're like, I traveled to be here. I wanted to bring you the thing. And I think we have a lot of privilege.

If you live in a major metropolitan area specifically, that's why whenever you see a heckling video online, it's either from a big city of some, you know, it's New York or Chicago or LA, or it's a small town where someone's on drugs and blacked out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, they just can't, they're not speaking English. And they're like sure it's a shoe lady uh shut up please don't you think i mean i'm i'm curious but my my suspicion is because there's so much access to everything all at once every

like everybody even even dumb crit dumb you know just like passive observer has become this critic. Oh, yeah. And so emboldened with their voice because everybody has a platform or a bullhorn in your whatever, that it's even easier now to shit on somebody's stuff. Oh, yeah. And for them to see it. I mean, like. Yes. I know you're, I know I was going to say, talk to you, by the way, and for them to see it. I mean like, yes,

I know you're, I know I was going to say, talk to you by the way, the last time I was at the Rams game, I think you were like right near us. Oh wow. Um, and I should have said hi,

but yeah, you were looking cute and I got nervous and I spilled my drink. But, but no, I know you're a big sports fan. I'm a big, I'm a big sports fan too. And it's just the amount of shit talking to athletes that they see these days is also really weird.

Because they'll interact with the shit. Yeah. Which is so creepy because when you were a kid, sports writers were the only people that got into their heads a little bit. Right. And they would, by the way. They really would. You'd see some of these guys would get, would fucking want to fight some of these writers. But now it's like Mark from Des Moines gets to say something and one of these guys would get, would fucking want to fight some of these writers. But now it's like Mark from Des Moines gets to say something.

And one of these guys will respond. Like Judy might tweet back at him. And you're like, what the fuck is going on? It's crazy that there's that. It's way too close now. It, it,

it's exciting. And, and I mean the lesson that I hope a healthy person has learned, because like the year I got on SNL was the second or third year of Twitter. So it was, you know, I got a crash course and like, you can't go to that for input, even though we all have our narcissists and have this, you know, egomaniacal need for validation. You can't put weight in it for the bad or the good, really. You know what I mean? And the training that comes with that.

And what I really admire about a lot of professional athletes, or at least the coaching they get, is that you are used to that tough love criticism. You're used to that negative, like, you get it. You know, if your coach is a classic kind of coach, it's like, you idiot, get your head out of your ass. and that's love that's encouragement um and and the gear to block it all out the gear to block out a stadium of people screaming while you shoot a free throw or kick a field goal or throw a touch or hit a home run you know what i mean like it it it yeah it's i i use that as an example of like okay but you know put the faith in your

skill set and not in the feedback totally and find you know and find the joy and benefit if especially for comedy because it's so hard find the joy in what made you laugh and stick by that and go like no no no that's funny to me and you're not probably a very funny person anyway and you know what i mean so it's easier to dismiss more and more but um but it's still there it's it's still there and it's still constant it's the constantness of if you engage on social media it's constantly there like because your wife is also an entertainer is like is it easier because you guys can kind of talk about it together like that's helpful to be like shut off the bullshit noise and focus on family and she's a well she's an amazing well-rounded human being who's like i do this because the the bosses told me to do it

you know i post on instagram when marvel says it's helpful or whatever i get it and the rest of the time she's like then none of this is real which is nice where i'm a little bit more like man it'd be cool if i posted something and got some likes and then an endorsement or what you know yeah um i'm less healthy but certainly understanding each other's plights and and helps us carry it but she doesn't engage didn't start engaging in the same way and also like snl is such an immediate thing of like i wrote some on Tuesday. You're seeing it on national television that Saturday. Then to have a new tool, if you want to call it that,

to then check in to see what people are saying about it immediately, in my opinion, only is unhelpful. It's dangerous. It's a dangerous thing. If you're on that show, you should not be allowedhelpful. Yeah, I know. Only is, it's dangerous. It's a dangerous thing. If you're on that show, you should not be allowed on Twitter. Yeah, truly. And I think,

like, you know, there are people that do their best at shutting it out. Yes. You know, like, I think some people are really good at just being like,

no, I'm just gonna tune it out and not focus on it. But I'm not gonna lie, anybody that comes from our world of creating comedic content, it's so tough to not, to not indulge. It's hard.

Yeah. Because you get sucked into this world, especially if you see something like, the funniest sketch, dude, Taryn had the funniest sketch I've ever seen in my life. And you're like, yeah, thank you, man.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And right below it, it's like, Taryn sucks ass. Yeah, yeah, retire now. Quit everything and retire. Yeah. Which is,

I didn't mean to write that, but I was in a, that's all right, you know what, but there was truth to it. There was constructive criticism in there and I took it but I was going to say it. That's all right. You know what? But there was truth to it. There was constructive criticism in there, and I took it. I just had to say it, dude. I'm sorry, man.

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I like gingers. Which is, I didn't mean to write that, but I was in a, I had to say it. That's all right, you know what? But there was truth to it. There was constructive criticism in there, and I took it. I just had to say it, dude. I'm sorry, man. But, I mean, playing devil's advocate i have found value in

going like a lot of people said they like this and people and a lot of people said they hated this and not too many people chimed in going good job so i do i don't know that's that's where it gets so fishy of like how do you find the constructive value in knowing like, okay, the mass perception from this moment that I participated in seems to be overwhelmingly negative or overwhelmingly positive. And how do I better myself as a professional creator moving forward based off of that intel? Right. Yeah. I'm going to kiss your ring a little bit real fast um i will say from an outside not knowing you when i did see you on that show uh it was interesting because you always kind of create these these

false opinions about people that are on that show if you particularly because you don't know who they are as people but you construct it based solely on kind of what they come up with comedically or where they're put comedically on the show which is funny because you guys are stereotyped whether you know it or not you know what i mean and we all are we all are i mean i i am too you know but like it's funny because that show is so particular about the way it positions and places people part of the politics of that show but you were always one of those guys where i had heard stories about you over the years you know about your process and getting the show and also like you know kind of your output so to speak which your contribution like you were you you see you would always you would always also seem like a consummate like producer you were always like

putting stuff out or trying or writing or pushing pushing you never seem like someone who's like right for me you know like uh just put it together and i'll see if i you did visually i might be wrong but it seemed from an outside like you were doing a fuckload like as much as you could to get yourself in a good sketch in a good bit and i wonder when i saw that if i'm like is there ever stuff that you really wanted on there that you know was so good but it never went like was like is there ever stuff that you really wanted on there that you know was so good but it never went like was there was there shit sometimes where you're like is there a sketch that sticks out that you were like i know this would have been fucking huge and they never let me put it on the show not not fucking huge because i don't have that gear for myself

i have more like i wish that had been produced so the world could see into my brain. What is that? What's the one? Is there one that sticks out? There's one, there's a couple, there was one that like,

and I did get some validation because there was a sketch that actually made it to dress and the cue card guys loved it. And that's like, sometimes that's all, sometimes that's better than anything else. Right.

Um, and it was really dumb and it was a sketch that I'd done at groundlings. And then it got changed a little bit for, for SNL in a way that like, I didn't love, but it still had the core and the heart of it. And it was, um,

there's that song one night in Bangkok. Yeah. Yeah. Bangkok, Oriental city, but the city down there. And it's the singer is don't know and it's the singer is murray head and it's like a really weird sounding song because it's not a real melody

it's like one night in bangkok makes the world yeah exactly it was supposed to be in an eddie murphy movie and it never made it correct and it's from a musical it's from chess this musical it's a weird song and it made me laugh and so i pitched that murray head that that guy did at one point get his own late night talk show but the reason he sounds like that is because that's just how he talks and they built the song around him okay so when he's interviewing people you would always just say how are you doing i love this series dave i'm looking forward to the third season and then a chorus of people would sing like interludes. And it was really stupid.

But it really tickled me. And the cue card guys loved that. There was another one. It made to dress, but didn't go. It made it to dress. And we kind of changed it. Like before it was like one of those things where the guest was someone very famous, you know.

And I think because what up with that had already existed, they're like, you can't have real people going, what the hell you know? And I think because What Up With That had already existed, they're like, you can't have real people going, what the hell is this? And you going like, but I was doing this at Groundlings before that. You know, they're like, okay, great. Good for you.

So like we made the host a fun character and it just was hats on hats a little bit. But that one brought me joy. There was a sketch we wrote and the first time we wrote it was the week Trump hosted. And we just tried to write a sketch where he had to be in it as little as possible. So it was for like a downtown Vegas show called Silas, King of the Snakes. And the whole show was like a Cirque style musical number. There was like Silas, King of the Snakes,

and it was a three and a half minute introduction song with like pyrotechnics and acrobats and dancing and telling you all the things you're going to see, all the amazing things Silas can do, the way he's hypnotized snakes, where he's traveled to the darkest jungles, and the door opens, and it's going to be the host and be like, I forgot the snakes and the door closes at the end of the sketch.

It was supposed to be Trump to do that. It was going to be Trump. I forgot the snakes. I forgot the snakes. And that was the end. Oh, that would have crushed. And it did very well at the table and then, and didn't get picked. And then when Larry David hosted, we tried it and it went to dress, but then you, you

know, you don't want to waste Larry David. You know know what i mean so like it changed its dna good with trump um it could have been fun yeah yeah it brought that one brought me joy that's one of those where i can i i see it in my brain and i'm like oh it's it's fucking perfect yeah i i had uh i think i've told the story on the show but it i just want to tell you it because i probably you you know, I don't know if you've ever heard me say this, but when I first moved to Los Angeles, I'm going to give the quickest version. There used to be a coffee bean across from the mall on like 3rd and La Cienega. And now it's level. The street is level still. They haven't built anything there.

But next door used to be a Barnes and Noble. Then it was a PetSmart. Now it's nothing. But it was a coffee bean in a Barnes and Noble. now then it was a pet smart now it's nothing but it was a coffee bean in a barnes and noble and i was in there late at night writing with this girl friend of mine who was uh trying to do sketch and i was wanting to improv we were writing a bit together and uh um in walks norm mcdonald and he walked by us and was like hey what are you doing and she was this girl was very pretty and i am not and so he's talking to

exclusively her the whole time like and two young kids sitting there by the where you pick up your coffee and there's like nobody in there and it was i was like looking around like is this is this am i inside am i in a fucking prank show yeah and he was like oh and she's i'm writing a sketch and he's like i know a thing or two about sketches and she was like uh-huh and he goes i'm gonna go i'm gonna go get the steinbeck novel i'll come back and i'm laughing and he legitimately we're after he leaves we're like how fucking cool is that man he comes back with a fucking steinbeck novel i swear to god he bought it from barnes and noble comes back with it and i was like holy shit and he sits down next to it well he stood for a while which was kind of wild he would just he stood next to us and was just kind of hovering over

her shoulder talking to both of us about comedy and what we want to do and he was just i don't know he's just having fun and then he finally sat down and he started kind of just vomiting stories of us it was no we didn't ask much yeah but the one thing the reason i'm bringing this up is because it was about um a sketch that never was supposed to be and it was brian fellows uh do you know about that story about no no so him and uh and this is my you know abridged account from what i remember him saying because i was fucking fascinated yeah but he had said that i think him and smigel wrote it i believe uh i think if i'm wrong sorry but anyway they they were having a tough time getting this other sketch through

and long story short lauren was kind of clipping at him a little bit about like the next thing the few things he delivered weren't that nothing was hitting yeah and smigel was kind of annoyed and they had joked uh sweet sweetly about that tracy that Tracy didn't like reading in front of people, like hated the reads. And he would have someone there sometimes, I think also because it was maybe anxiety-inducing to read in front of people, but he liked the performative aspect. So Smigel was like, as a joke,

had said something to the effect of, we should write that bullshit, you know, safari guy show, where he's flamboyant and confusing, and make it filled with S's at the beginning. Like, Brian Fellows is a safari planet.

So it would be like this, like, you know, performative, like, big shit, like, I'm Brian Fellows,

you know, like this whole thing. And they wrote it, kind of as like a fuck you a little bit, being here you want a shitty fucking we'll give you a shitty script because you didn't like the other three things i gave you and sure enough he's like tracy could i couldn't i'm not gonna do the impression on them but in a way he was just like i couldn't hit the ball further out of the fucking park like yeah it destroyed yes and they were both like well holy fuck is this gonna go and he's like then they dressed it and then it was like holy shit it's gonna be and then it became

you know probably tracy's biggest yeah i would argue one of the biggest he ever did and it was like norm was saying that that was a it was kind of a fuck off yeah going back to calling back to what we talked about it was almost like it was funny cause they were laughing about how insane it was and it was small and they threw it together and it was like, here, this is fucking ridiculous. You're never going to let it go. Yeah.

And it, for some reason became that thing. But he, but I, when he told it, I thought, I wonder how many of those could have also been in the vault yeah you're because you're you know not overthinking that you're like oh that's so funny about the shoe thing but we

don't do that thing you know well a great example of of those then succeeding is i think you should leave is tim and zach show yeah because like you know and not all of them by any means but i would say you know one or two every episode or so, certainly in the first season, were like, oh, I saw these at the table and they killed and then were not given the chance. I mean, the Oscar Mayer Wienermobile

was written for SNL. And yeah, thank goodness. Was that an SNL bit? I don't think so. The Tuggers? The louder the shirt, the more expensive the the super the louders or no no the more the louder the shirt the more expensive it is no no no no because when i saw that i was like that would that would have been a great snl sketch of guys with super loud shirts

yeah yeah yeah and it's like you this is a seven thousand dollar shirt do you see how intricate it is i thought that was so brilliant it kills. I mean, that first episode of season two with the prank and the prosthetics and I don't want to be here. But more than that, the ghost tour. I don't know that there's a sketch in the last decade that I've gone back to watch more and more. Because it's like pure Tim.

He is the funniest and has always been the funniest. And to see it recognized in that way is awesome. It was huge. The prosthetics, I know we're talking about it. We're just sitting here talking about another show, but I got to tell you, I cried when you see his head down. And he goes, I don't want to do it anymore. I don't want to be here anymore. You mean like you don't want to be alive because of the prank?

I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's so good we did too much we did too much we did too much stuff we're too much stuff and it looks insane go over and grab that person's drink if you haven't seen if you haven't seen the show i think you should leave the i think you should leave it so yeah it's so so good yeah but anyway but yeah that's that always gives me like uh you know it always gives me that comedian bridge that we have you know of like i know what that

feels like to want the thing and the thing and it doesn't go or to pitch it's almost like whenever i do you know we throw a lot against the wall on dave and a lot of times you know some of my favorite shit will not get into the thing. But there's a few of us that are like, I really love that, man. We really should fucking do that.

Yeah. And it falls through this weird production crack of like, it's just not gonna work and the thing. And you're like, but it's so fun.

Yeah. Why can't we show the people the fun thing? But also sometimes your creative brain sees it in a way because you're in the machine, in the vacuum, that sometimes it may not work on the outside.

And I don't have a good barometer for that. Really? Yeah, sometimes I'll do things. I'm like, I can't believe people didn't like that. People are like, they don't get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or it doesn't really register. Yeah.

It's inside. But other comedians are like, I like it, which is the sick part of stand-up. You'll have comics in the back that be like, that joke is great. How did I not like that joke? I mean, anytime I was at the Comedy Store and Brody Stevens was performing, the best. Like, just unequivocally the best.

And only times I'd see every comedian in the building flock. Yeah, everyone would want to watch. I mean, the funniest part about, or the best described version of Brody was, Galifianakis said, he's not a comedian, he's a jock that does performance art. And I was like, that's fucking brilliant. Because he is. He was this larger than life, physical valley boy, baseball god, who loved performative absurdist you know art that was that

was his he was fucking fun oh no one's better at drumming on a seat nobody was better fucking drumming just even like that like it was shocking to me that it never connected and i didn't know him as well and then and then having conversations with people who knew him better like i think that there were different gears of self-sabotage, maybe. Yeah. But I was always shocked because any time there was a chance to, I'd go out of my way to see him perform. He's just one of those performers.

Yeah. And it was his rhythm, right? There's a musicality to a stand-up performer where you go like, you know, everybody is, you know everybody is you know seinfeld's like what's the deal you know like there and his rhythm yeah was wholly original yeah it was like incredibly unique and so catchy and so fun we're talking we're laughing energy yes dictate respond good god damn arms crossed negative energy Energy. Yes. Dictate. Respond. Good. I'm like, God damn. Arms crossed.

Negative energy. It was such a perfect beat. Yeah. It's almost like, and it was always waves. Yeah. Take my mom out to dinner. I can pay half. So good.

He is. He was a good, he was a great dude. Yes. I'm sad he's gone. Yeah. I'm looking at your socks by the way and i'm gonna keep staring down what's on them we got dragons and flames here yeah you're a big comic book guy i enjoy comic books very much yes yeah do you still do it now um not on a weekly

issue basis but like there'll be a title that i'll seek out like they've done these um uh superman uh 77 batman 89 do you know this where you don't know even in the thing i can't believe i never yeah i don't know like when i was a kid baseball cards massive i was obsessed obsessed like creepy obsessed yes and then um do you still have your collection do you still have your everything is at my mother's house i don't think they cleaned out my old room one time yeah and i went home and i bought a gun and I put it to my dad's head. And I said to my mom, if you throw any of that shit out, he's gone. And she just started to throw it away.

She's like, do it. Do it. No, but I told him, I was like, please just throw that shit in a big Tupperware bin. Yeah. And put it in the basement. And I will get it. Yes. I just, please just throw it all in there.

I'll figure all of it out. I don't think I'm ever going to do anything with it other than be that old weirdo with my kid one day who's like, yeah, this, you know, this Sean Kemp was worth $19 at one point, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What, you know, this is the Rain Man. But I don't know if I'll ever have anything,

but when I was a kid trading them. So fun. Oh, yeah, but valuing them, like the Beckett's. Yes. Even just being, even scrolling my little tiny dirty like the beckett's yes even just being even scrolling my little tiny dirty fingers on those beckett's and being like four dollars eighty seven cents we bought it for 16 cents that's huge smell of that newspaper page in them too yeah printed and stamped huge so but do they have beckett's for comic books too or no uh i'm sure

they do i was more into the beckett than the pricing for baseball cards. Baseball cards, yeah. Then the comics, I just like the stories, the visuals, the sort of the myths of it. You want a collectible. I've never been like a cardboard backing kind of guy. That kind of came later. I was like, it'd be cool to own that issue, that first appearance of Gambit. Would be cool. Do you have one that's like absurdly rare or expensive? No.

No. You don't have that? No, but a chicago related story give it uh first little league team that wasn't t-ball if like first true like kids pitch little league team the cubs played second base my dad is our coach is like best player on the cubs is in second base ryan sandberg that's right and i am probably you know this is 89 something like that 88 89 yeah yeah. 88, 89, yeah. Yeah, and I'm like, he's my favorite player ever then.

So Ryan Sandberg is it for you. I stuck to it and have, over the years, collected every rookie card of his that I can find. Wow. So I have something like eight or nine different Ryan Sandberg rookie cards. Wow. Loved it, loved the Cubs. Had never been to a game in Wrigley Field,

had never spent time in Chicago, despite a majority, a vast majority of my favorite people being from there. And then three years ago, was asked to officiate a wedding in Chicago. So Kobe and I went, we arrived, we went to the welcome dinner.

We're like, hey, we're so excited. It's going to be awesome. I dragged her to Second City. I was like, we have to be in that space i have to see a show there we did it was amazing it was like it was shocking to see like what a business it is you know what i mean like that whole facility like walked by steppenwolf and like this is the best we did the wedding the next day it was so fun the following day she had been on a show with jake johnson he's like oh you're going yeah i'll say i'll send you to wrigley and so got us the hookup of all hookups we sat like you know right in front awesome and i'm telling the guy i'm like this is great you know we went early because i was like i really want to take in the neighborhood

i want to do that i want to see clark street i want to do it all i want to see the bleachers and people's you know townhomes and stuff and we get there and i'm telling the guy who's giving us a tour the story that i started with he's like oh ryan's here ryan you want to meet you want to meet him and i was like please please and i think like his daughter was with him or something and there's that generational thing where like she knew like oh these are people on tv and dad like doesn't give a two shits but dad used to be baseball yeah yeah i got a picture on the third baseline with ryan sandberg jesus cubs won the game wow uh kobe and i walked from wrigley down clark street all the way back to the

river oh all the way downtown just like that's a hike it was you know yeah the feet the feet were sore but like it was the it was everything everything I wanted Chicago to be and more. Wow. That's the way to do it. Yeah. When I was a kid, by the way, I loved Ryan Sandberg. Mark Grace, partial to Mark for some reason. Love Mark Grace.

But when I was a kid, it took me many years to realize his name wasn't Ryan. Ryan. Because Ryan. Yes. When you hear Ryan Sandberg, you go, yeah, Ryan. Yeah. And then when you start to collect, when I got baseball cards is when I realized it's Ryan.

Ryan Sandberg. Yeah. Which a piece of me goes, was this an accident in the hospital? Yeah. Dad was just like, I got a boy. His name's Ryan. So spell that. And he's like, you're not a spell, Ryan.

I guess we'll see. We'll find out. Because it just seems so odd. And never in my life have I seen it ever another R-Y-N-E yeah Ryan is so off

but you got to soaking that up is he was the best but you're a Dodger guy are you a Dodger guy yeah casually you know I'm not a huge baseball guy now

me and you are going to go to a game I'm going to change your mind let's do it let's do it please because I football is my thing I know football is Let's do it please Football is my thing I love it too Baseball man

There's so much of it I'm overwhelmed by the quantity Being an LA guy we're on the west side too You may as well fly to Chicago to see a game at Wrigley Versus drive to Echo Park That's true It is tough but also

We're going to go and we're going to go. Okay, great. And we're going to have a drink. Yes, please. And I'm going to show you that you don't need to be there to be there. That's my favorite phrase. You kind of need to just live in the thing

and we'll talk a lot of shit and we'll throw something at a man. Yeah, great. We'll get kicked out. Okay. We'll get into a fight in the parking lot over you saying, why would you throw that?

And I'm like, dude, it's fun. And you're like, it's not fucking fun. And that'll be the end of the whole thing. Yeah. But we'll do it. And then I'll be a baseball person. And that is how I became a baseball person. We'll do it.

I'm going to hold you to it. I would love it. Full sincerity. I want to say thank you for coming here today. This means a lot to me I think you're wonderful I'm going to make sure you're going to get some sauce if you go down and see my boy

I'll take some sauce and we end the show the same way you look in that camera right there and you say one word or one phrase that ends the episode it's going to be embedded forever in the history of the episode it's probably at some point going to be in the Smithsonian. That's how I view it.

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