Who Are These Podcasts? - Ep101 - Girl Talk With 2Real and 2wice as nice

Episode Date: April 8, 2018

It's yet another installment of our ongoing educational series - How Not to Podcast. This show is a gem. When you can decipher what the two hosts and producer Mr. Google are saying it's amazing. It should be transcribed and released in paperback. Nick Bailey, cohost of the Fancounters podcast (http://fancounters.libsyn.com/), makes his WATP debut. We talk a lot about how he's a "nice guy" and probably doesn't deserve the social media backlash that's about to be unleashed. I'm just thankful he found this show. It is nothing if not entertaining. If you're one of the people who listen to this show hoping to be outraged, thanks for subscribing! Hopefully you don't also read these descriptions. You should really value your time more than you do currently. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What if we do a podcast where we listen to other podcasts and then just just talk shit about them? It's showtime But I I guess all the best Think there's really just a handful that don't suck That's where we come in Nick Bailey W-A-T-P

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WHOATP. W-A-T-P. That's what you do. W-A-T-P. W-A-T-P. W-A-T-P. I know, it's a long, it's a long side. Hello, and welcome to another episode of Who Are These Podcasts.

The only podcast that is jealous of Michael Rapaport's podcasting success. I'm your host, Cara. With me this week is Nick Bailey from the Fan Counters Podcast. How you doing? I'm doing great. Welcome.

Thank you. I'd like to remind our listeners, you can visit us at whoarethese.com, our Facebook page, or on Twitter, and who are these pod? Email the show wat us at whoarethese.com, our Facebook page or on Twitter, and who are these pod. Email the show watpshow at gmail.com. We're always looking for podcast suggestions. Also, if you find this show, even a little bit entertaining, don't forget to give us a

positive five-step review on iTunes. Today we'll be reviewing a podcast called Girl Talk with Two Real and Twice's Nice. Nick and I have both listened to the show separately. We have not discussed it with each other beforehand. In fact, we've never even met before. So chemistry is gonna be great today. Let's get into it, Nick. You know, you're a co-host of Fan Counters podcast.

This show's gonna be a little bit different for you, I have a feeling. We're not gonna be talking about children's birthday parties. We're gonna be mixing it be a little bit different for you. I have a feeling we're not going to be talking about children's birthday parties. We're going to be mixing it up a little bit. We do throw out some customers from time to time. It's going to be a little different. It will be, but that's okay. And I think that this was really odd. I don't know if your other co-hosts have had this experience,

but the week leading up to your show is all about the internet world threatening you and wanting you to cancel and not be on the show. And why are you doing this? And this couldn't believe it. This is a new thing. You know, I want to get into this girl talk podcast, but since you bring that up, we had one of the the podcasters who contributed to our episode 100. We had the podcast host who shall not be named, call her out publicly on Facebook and get everyone to start calling her deplorable and start bashing her just because she participated.

It actually roasted us, but participated in our podcast. So, I was going to warn you about what might happen in the aftermath. I didn't realize it was now happening before you even host the show. Is I've already been kicked out of a podcast group. Can you believe that? Oh, Jesus Christ. I'm so, it's a one of you guys. It's a show.

I'm a nice guy. I know, I know you are. I can tell. It's funny because I think you first reached out to me back in January. You had discovered the show because they were bashing us on set Facebook group. Exactly. That's it. I thought, oh, I got to check out this show.

What are we yelling about? Right. Exactly. These people are so outraged that we have to figure out what's going on. I mean, our subscriber list has, I think, doubled or tripled since that Facebook group started telling everyone how terrible we are. Wow. So whatever they've done is definitely backfire now.

This is what I want to tell you though. You're going to be shocked. Now you and I have never talked before. That's true. But you've made fun of me on your show before. Oh, yeah. Not necessarily my podcast or anything like that, but you have ridiculed stay-at-home dads. Oh, okay.

You for it? No. That works for my family. I am the stay at home parent to my twins. And we have different views, but why should that be a problem? Why can't we appreciate that you don't respect that I'm staying at home with my kids?

And it's okay. I don't hate you for it. You know, the most ridiculous part is, I don't even remember talking about staying home dads, why would I? None of the views that I express are real, we're trying to put out an entertainment show. So for an hour a week, we rant like lunatics.

You know, it doesn't mean that we're actually, the people out there who are kidnapping children or any of these things that this has turned into through the wonderful world of social media. Yeah. You know what's interesting too, Nick, and this is something that's new for me, is we now have people listening to the show

who are just hoping to be outraged. There's people who are definitely downloading the show, listening through it because they want to post whatever clip is gonna get everybody in a frenzy and piss everybody off, which is a weird, a weird way to live your life. It is. You know, this W-A-T-P is really just pointing out

what everybody's thinking when you hear a podcast that shouldn't be, you know. We're not like your jokes, you know, but we are choosing to listen to the show. Somebody chose to listen to episode 100 to find out that I was gonna be here this week. Right. To then give me crap all week. And that's what's surprising. Why are you listening if you're so outraged? What?

I didn't listen to the question. It's exactly the question. Bob and me. You know, like even the conversation on Twitter, I just, at one point, I just deleted the tweets. I'm done with this. This is just, you know, I'm here to review if you're starting a podcast.

Today we're going to give you some examples of what not to do. I'm here to review if you're starting a podcast. Today we're gonna give you some examples of what not to do. Yeah, let's get into it. I think that's helpful.

Let's get into that because this podcast, I mean, I gotta talk to you about how you even found it. It's from about a year ago, they put out two episodes, AVER, and then it just went away. But the two episodes are just podcast. I was looking for the topic of twins. Okay. And this one came up. So, and, you know, I started listening and I thought, man, these stories are outrageous

and TMI to the T. So, it stayed on my radar. Nick, you pulled together a whole bunch of clips and sent them over to me. I can tell by just the naming convention that you get in this show. And I also could tell that you pulled all of these from episode one, is that correct? Mostly, yeah. Okay, I tried to pull mostly from episode two.

Okay, great. I'm gonna start off with a clip that I think sums up the show. And this is there's so many different things going on but when you think about how not to podcast this really sums it up i mean it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you're not what you know it's not what you're not what you know it's not what you're not what you're not what you know it's not what you know it's not what you know fuck is going on as these women are screaming at each other. No, I was gonna say play a little bit of 21. Okay. It's a little overmodulated, would you say? Are we not editing this? Oh, though, guys, if you have arguing,

we're like, listen, listen, listen. Once you get back on track, you've gotta edit that out. We really shouldn't do it in the first place. If you're recording a show and someone's talking, don't talk. Wait, you're turned. That's all agreed. So not that tough. Wait, you're turned. That's all. Agreed.

Not that tough. Nick, I wanna play your clips. I'm more excited because episode, I'll tell you a quick story. Last night, I listened to the show for the first time and I was like, holy shit, this is an amazing show. This is one of my favorite shows I've ever heard in my life.

I was so excited about it. And then this morning I got up and I was very hungover and the show was just tedious to listen to. It's so obnoxious to listen to. The actual sound quality of it and the screaming and you can't turn it down enough. It's always loud no matter what you do. So I have two different takes out of this show,

but for me from last night, I absolutely love episode one. I wanna get into the clips that you pulled from that. Well, you know, and it's funny. We have the opposite reaction. The first time I thought, oh my gosh, what is this? And the second pass is when I thought, these stories are great. Why didn't they make more?

Yeah. It's just unreal. Uh, so yeah, I guess we'll start with number two. I can't, I don't have any knowledge of what it's like to be in jail, but I, they do explain what you can't do in jail. You can't fuck me in jail, you can't take care of me in jail, you can't take care of none of your kids in jail. Yeah, so the, um, the topic of episode one was, do you data guy while he's in jail?

Or would you data guy or something like that, right? Right. Yep. Which is a really good deal. We're off the bat episode one. That's the topic. I'm like, this is brilliant. I don't know.

They get right into it too. They get right into it. There's no like, you know, intro or any, I mean, like band there on the topic. So, you know, you're not wasting any time. No, no, you're not wasting any time. It gets right into it. Can I, I mean,

can we talk about your, your third clip here? Yeah, I was going to bring that up right now. So these hosts are real. Like, you know, this is just feel talk from their life. And at some point, you're going to hear this clip and you're going to, you're going to, what? Wait a minute. Did they just say that? Some things are just too much information. Sex, I can go without that shit because you can hit me off. I can get that from a minute, did they just say that? Some things are just too much information. Sex, I can go without that shit. Because you can hit me off. I can get that from a girl, which I was getting that from my cousin

while he was in here. But is that chance? What the fuck, where the frickin' shit y'all got going on? Because I made an eighth of first cousin I had sex with. And then I'm like, I want what I want and ain't nobody gonna say no. You may not want to admit that.

I'm the couple. I'm admit that. I love this girl. I can't tell the two apart. I don't know what their names are. I don't know which one is which, but that woman who's having sex with her female cousin is amazing. Unbelievable. I couldn't believe when she started getting into that.

She's like, why is that so crazy? I have sex with tons of cousins. Why are you outraged by that? What's the big deal? I haven't even looked at my cousin in that way. So, you know, all right. Well, then she gets into, because then you start to think like, okay,

how distant of a relative is this? She's like, first cousin, second cousin? I don't give a shit. Like, what? It's unbelievable. Yes. And then at the end of the show, I don't know if you have a clip on this,

but the one woman asked the other one, they were talking about blow jobs, and she says, do you swallow? And the other woman's like, oh yeah, of course I swallow. It's actually really good for you. I've talked to my doctor about it. My doctor says I should be swallowing those lows. I was like, wait, what, you're talking to your doctor

about what to do with semen deposits? Is this really a conversation you're having? Not me. I know I've never once discussed that with my doctor. These are the last things I wanna talk about. Really. All right, let's keep going. I love episode one, so I wanna go through your clips here.

Oh, sure, sure. So they start talking about being in a relationship with a guy and apparently the guy tends to make more money than them. It's obvious that they have maybe a a minimum wage job or something, right? Yeah. So they're talking about spending money like they don't want to spend their own money on their man. They want their man They're like, I'll use my man's money to spend money on him. So I'm just surprised because with all the talk of equality in this country, I'm really surprised to find some women

that are not willing to spend some of their harder and money on their own man that they're dating. Right. That's before. I don't want to pay for shit. I don't want to come out my pocket for nothing. I do it if I want to do it. And nine times a 10, I don't want to do shit.

The fuck I'm coming out my pocket for anything for. I do it when I work. So when I very rarely want to spend it. And nine times a 10, I don't want it to be shit. The fuck I'm coming out of my pocket for anything for. I do it when I work, so when I very rarely want to spend my money on somebody, but I ask you for your money, it's for your money on you. I love that attitude. I'll do what I want to and I never want to. Okay, great. All right.

So she's really well. She's dating this guy for like seven years, right? And he's got kids from another relationship. So when you date somebody, at what point do you really expect to know everything about that person? At least in the first year, right? I would think so, yeah, first few months, yeah. Yeah, well, you're never gonna believe number five.

And it's like, as of now, my situation now, I have never met my boyfriend, kids. And we've been together about three, seven years. And then what kind of world is that? How often does he see his kids? If you've never met your boyfriend's kids in seven years. Yeah, but wait Carl, there's more. There's always more, right?

So what are the chances that she's met the kids? But they don't know it. Wait for this unbelievable tidbit she gives us on six. I know your kids. I never met them. And your kids knock on my door every Sunday with a fucking grandma that don't show over witness. believable tip it she gives us on 6. But at the same time, I really want to say, you're stepmother. Jesus Christ, this is like a, they're not married, you're not the stepmom yet. But this is like a CW sitcom, this woman's life.

That's unbelievable, I'm just picturing her, you're like shoving like pictures down of their dad and running around the house like a lunatic, having to stand in a certain spot when they're at the door to cover up pictures. That's out of a ridiculous sit-up right there. That's amazing. Instead of a podcast,

she really could be writing a great pilot. Yes, I would agree with you there. So we've all experienced a Carl. Our expenses that we have, things that we want are too big for our budget. Especially when you're a stay-at-home dad, yeah. Yeah, exactly. So I'm not sure really what they're talking about

on this next clip number seven, but they talk about various kinds of money. Now I know that the cold 45 is a gun, right? No, no, cold 45 is a malt liquor. Oh, is it really? Oh, yeah, I thought it was, they're referring to a gun and I know Johnny three legs is a beer, but I don't know what some of these other ones are. Number seven.

Okay. By the way, there are a lot of things they talk about that I have no idea what they're talking about, so don't feel bad. Okay. I have a pain taste with beer fucking money. I have some of it. Fuck beer money, they got Coke 45 months. St. Oz money, Johnny 3 legs money,

got damage, they got cut ice money, okay. Wait, what was that? Johnny last one was. Johnny 3 eyes? Three legs, Johnny three. I had to Google it. I've never heard of that before. None of the other ones came up in Google's. That's hilarious. Let's talk about Google for a second though. And I don't need to take over your show or anything. No, that's fine. I'm loving it. Did you catch the producer's name?

I thought it was Mr. Goo Goo. No, it is Mr. Goo Goo. Mr. Goo Goo. When he was talking, I kept thinking he was saying, I'm Mr. Goo Goo. Oh. In fact, in episode two, he's not off-mic. We can get into the fact that he's off-mic the entire first episode and talks a lot. But in episode two, he actually introduces himself.

He hops in with this little tidbit. But in episode two, he actually introduces himself. He hops in with this little tidbit. Yeah, too well, it's twice in life. We'll miss the Google AKA Chocolate Coke. Take a look. Google it. Hello. Oh, see, I guess I should have known

when he said Google made me. It's a cool thing. Yeah. But this is funny. This is a clip from episode two. We are like an episode full episode and another half one through this show. Mm-hmm. But he doesn't know the hosts name. That's number 25. Do you want to have a hand? What's your name? Let me, let me just name.

I made twice. I made twice. It's nice. You twice. It's me. I mean twice. Twice is nice. You twice is me. What's your name again? Well, it doesn't help that everyone has seven names. Like even Mr. Goo Goo, I'm going to keep saying it, Mr. Goo Goo. We need to do something. They say, A-K-A, chocolate coca, or something.

Chocolate coca-cane. Chocolate coca-cane. Yeah. This is also known as. What do you think the producer does on that show though? Well, if you're talking about episode two, he chimes him with tidbits where he talks about himself in the first person like this.

But this one is the Google come while I'm parry when you just keep it on and think the sugar person. This is where Mr. Google comes out. And then, a man just to say nonsense. So I just, I wanna zoom in on that clip and tell me what you think he's saying here. While I'm parry when you just keep it on and then think the chubu person.

Wow. Do you know what he's had right there? Something about the truth in prison. That's what I got. One more time, here we go. Wow, a lot of period when you just keep it on and you think the sugar person. Wow.

Nope. No, why lie period when you can keep it 100 and stay with the truthful person? Is that possible? I actually did slow some of the clips down. I have to try to figure out what he's talking about. Well, Perry, when you just keep it on and you think the sugar person.

Wow. Yeah, I'm not sure. The first episode, I hope I'm not stealing your thunder, but the first episode, Mr. Google is, I don't know, in a different room in the house. He's nowhere near the microphone. And they have these long extended conversations with this guy. You can hear a single thing that he's saying while these two women are screaming into the microphone, I have a clip on that. And you know for that you can't shake his

ass. In that place a big party people could read between that shit What the fuck you say I can't hear you What are you saying excuse me? What what no, maybe I'm talking about. What the hell are you talking about? You are talking about what is going on? I mean, I'm sure you pulled the show into whatever editing software you have

and you could see all the wave forms. There are these long extended seven minute long wave forms where it just disappears. Because you got this guy just talking to the wall in another room somewhere. How is this a show? Why would they put this out? Well, and he knows he can't be heard because if you play number eight. But it doesn't pick up at all. if he's the producer, he should know. That's my thing.

Isn't somebody monitoring the audio quality of the show to be like, oh, we can't hear you. Do you think that he's a producer like Dr. Dre as a doctor? Is that just the name that he gave some producer, Mr. Google? Because no one's producing this show. There's no production. And this is 20 minutes after that clip that we just played. I'm like, I said, I said, I'm gonna stop talking. So he is the last. No one is involved.

I like it. It's fun. He's gonna stop talking, but he's been talking for 20 minutes after he was gonna stop talking the first time. Well, the whole stop is going to enjoy it. Yeah. I hope he's getting the same pay as the two co-hosts with how much he contributes to the show. He does contribute a lot though, because when I listened to the two episodes twice, and the first pass, I thought there was a lot of nonsense. Like I said, and the second pass was when it was really entertaining. So when they weren't talking over each other, I did learn one thing.

If I need to explain sex to my kids, yes, I don't want to do it, I could always play number 24. Okay. Sexing up with two bodies and laughs and that's it. A little bit of sweat. That's it. A little bit of sweat. A little bit of two people want to, and I'm in a car, I'm gonna tell you that's sitting for me. That's pretty good summation right there. I think I got it. It's helpful. He does give other helpful advice seriously, and I'm being very honest.

I don't know anybody in jail, never met anybody from jail, but he does give some advice if you're imprisoned in jail and to what the people on the outside should do so that's 23 See and now I know if somebody's in jail, I know what to tell them. I don't even understand. I guess I got to listen to it a few more times, even. Oh, grassless concept. He's saying you've got to encourage them and to get them through. Okay, I'm glad you're here to translate this for me. I have no idea what's going on.

That is why I'm here to help. I'm mostly confused by everything that's happening. They talk about, in the second episode, there's a lot of talk about fucking. Yeah. A lot. And this clip right here, I am not joking around. I think I'm being you right now. I'm being very serious.

I'm honest about this. I don't know what she's saying. Tell me what this means. I'm not fucking none of y'all with no condoms. Does that mean she likes condoms or doesn't like condoms? With no condoms. I'm not fucking this none of y'all with no condoms or doesn't like condoms. With no, um, I'm thinking I'm not talking this none of y'all with no kind of. I think she wants to use one if she does.

I've relations with these people. I literally have no idea what she's talking about. And right before that, they're talking about, um, pulling out. And, uh, I guess the producer gentleman there is not a fan of pulling out. And I guess the producer gentlemen there is not a fan of pulling out, but I found this conversation fascinating. All these things are gonna be hit in one, and they ain't pulling out.

It's all bitches love. Any business way for that little jerk at the end when they buy the cup. Hey, you know what I'm doing? You know what I'm doing? I'm doing it for Woodie Tom, my soul's girl is old. Why haven't they wait that bad? Where?

Maybe all the way. We're about to be together. Maybe that's what's going on. I know, look that up from that point of view. My favorite part about that is this guy's talking about, he doesn't give a shit, he's just gonna come. And blah, blah, blah, blah. And then when I was like,

I never looked at it from that point of view. What point of view? What are we talking about? What did you just learn? I learned nothing. What looked at it from that point of view. What point of view? What are we talking about? What did you just learn? I learned nothing. What is she learning from that? Yeah, I'm not even sure what they were. What the point of that was.

I don't know. Ha, ha, ha. The one girl though, and I think this is the girl who doesn't go down in her cousin. The one girl talks about what it takes for her to fall in love. I did not have to do it. Now what you think? I think I'm good. Me, to fall in love. I think I could do it. Name what you think. I think I could.

Me, I fall in love too fast. You got it. It's fucking too good to look me on my eyes for my meat. If you fuck her good and look her in the eyes, she is in love. That's how it takes. Good, good to know. Well, I don't know if you, these are twin sisters. Okay.

Okay. And this is awesome. Wait a second. Hold on a second. I honestly didn't know that. So when she's talking about fucking her cousin, she's actually fucking the person she's telling his cousin to. Yes. The co-hosts sister is saying, what the fuck?

Oh, does that change things for me? That changes things for me. Because there shouldn't have been even more outrage when she's like, I fuck a lot out of my cousins. She should have said, I fuck a lot of our cousins. What? Which ones? I got a question then.

Yeah, right, I want them on the show. Fuck, fucking producer Google. Let's get one of these cousins that you're going down out of the show. I want to hear their port of view on this. Anyway, sorry. I thought it's okay. I'm learning new terms on this podcast. So these twin sisters, they have fights, they had a fight, right?

So they're talking about this fight that they had. And I love these women really because they talk about their personal struggles, really real, you know, like they hold nothing back, which is awesome. So they don't just have little quiet spats. They actually had a fist fight and I learned a new term. So if you know what this term is, I'm hoping you can tell me on 15. And she put my ass like I was a bitch in the street. She gave me a fucking hood job, okay?

Okay. I got the bitch trying to pull my hood over my head. My whole look, what the fuck is going on? Is she trying to really beat my head? I don't get it. So a hood job, I never heard that term before. Me neither. So you pull the hood up and then you start beating on somebody

and that's a hood job? It sounds like almost an old style hockey fight, right? Where you get to get the jersey and you pull it up over there and then you just start wh ram it on the guy. That's actually a great technique. Yeah, because they can't, they don't know where you are. So.

I've had a blanket party, but I've not heard of a hood job before. That's a new one on me too. It's a blanket party. I never heard of that. Oh, well, that's what you roll someone up at anyway. Oh, okay. All right.

So podcasts, this is a one time that I wish the podcast was visual because they're talking about this fight and one of the sisters was locked out of the house. So the locked out sister has to find her own way in and this is the one time that I wish there was a video component to this show. Now, I'm just gonna go on this ass back here. How the hell I managed to slot through a hole that was this fucking big in a window just because you for one way let my daughter open the fucking door from you, okay? Kids shouldn't be in adult things.

We're going to go back to that kid shouldn't be in adult things because that comes at the end of this story. Okay. But this fight must have really been awesome because not only did they have a knockdown drag down fight one of the sisters busted the windows with a hammer the car window of The other girl that's 17 A lot of money that night but I did get a window and shit thanks I Never break shit that I can't afford But she makes a minimum wage and can't buy anything for her man. That's a good rule of thought. Don't break shit that you can't afford.

That's smart. She broke her sister's phone, too, but I didn't pull that clip. Jesus Christ. Okay, so at the end of this fight, remember how she said we shouldn't involve children and adult issues. And I completely agree with that. If you play 18. Hold up but she knocked my daughter down in the hallway. She in my fucking way. I said oh really. I was being very petty. You want to let my door open and door open? I was like my

head. Your daughter's two. Jesus Christ. These women are admitting to so many fucking crimes on their podcasts. I don't know why there aren't a bunch of outraged people listening to this show. Why are they listening to my stupid show? This is where there's actual crimes being committed. They're fucking knocking down two year olds who are in the way in the hallway.

We're just laughing at jerks. I mean, seems like a pretty big difference to me. I can't stress how important it is editing when you're putting a podcast together. You've mentioned before, if you're not willing to sit and listen to your show, why do you want anybody else to? Right.

You've got to get rid of stuff like in 19. Do it well, I mean, let us out. It's not like, it's not the job. You don't want to wrap it, we're for wrap it. It would be a wrap for that for our first one. I think this is good for our first one. Yeah, I think this is good. I pulled that same clip. I thought that was so funny. Yeah, I think this is good. Why? Why would you ever think this is good? You guys just had a fucking ridiculous Rambling conversation about nonsense for 45 minutes. You're like, that was a good show.

We should do another show again sometime. No, you should never do another show ever again. You're terrible at this. I do really want them to come back, because I would listen. Well, the only thing that seemed rehearsed and put together, because I talk about this all the time, you've listened to my show,

if you're gonna do a podcast, treat it like it's a show. Like someone would actually want to listen, put some prep into it, make it seem like this is a, something that's structured, it has segments to it. There's a reason why someone would be listening to it. Finally, 50 minutes into the first episode, they do something that actually sounds like they were prepared to do a show.

Girl talk 101 with two roubles, which is your name. It's twice as nice with your name. I'm a mic sound, night check, bye. My mic sound, night check,

two, bye bitches. It was like, that was like rehearsed, shit. It was. All of a sudden, out of nowhere,

they didn't do anything like you said. There was no intro. It just kind of starts off with this loud, static noise and these people talking in a tunnel to each other way off mic and screaming and then also at the end They had this whole fucking diddy that they have rehearsed. There's probably dance moves that go along with it Where was that the whole other part of the show opening? Oh my god I so I wanted to zoom in on that because you talked about the two year old, was the two year old involved in this part of that sign off. What the fuck

is she even saying there? Sound off. Mike check. What the fuck? Night chick, but Bad bad bad bad bad bad you know what that sounded like to me It's not like the beginning of of this commercial I didn't know if she was singing that stupid Hustruck song or what was going on But it was so bizarre They're doing this whole thing about the girl talk about a lot and she's like that that that she turned British for some reason but back that that that best what the fuck maybe that got me to upset. Oh that's okay. The one thing I found weird is some at some point during the show there were some random shout-outs okay and I don't really know what's going on here but I hope Camille was

listening on 14 Camille honey are you listening to this? No, wait, no. Like what was that? Like is that for when the show's live? Right. Do they have a live stream that's going on? And they're watching the people communicating through the live stream as they record?

I'd be surprised. I don't know. Let's see what else I've got. I do have a story here that they told that was educational to me. You can learn a lot on a podcast. I didn't know this car, but apparently after a woman has a baby, there's a surgery to make it feel in another region that it never happened. It's on 13. It's just what another region that it never happened. Okay. And that's on 13.

It's just what's called tightening it up by any chance. It is. Well, you should get the fill. And if you push a baby out and then after that, we go to Dr. Miami. You can tighten that shit right back up and it'll be like you never had one like a version again. I want some shit and nigga come in. I suck. He tried to pull out.

I suck right back in. Nigga, where you going? Bring it back. Oh, I love the thought of that. Yeah, we back in, nigga, where you going? Bring it back. I'll never thought of that. Yeah, what you doing? What you doing? What you doing?

I never thought of that. Oh, I never thought of that. Of course you haven't. I don't think it works that way. Ha, ha, ha, ha. I don't know. Sounds weird. This woman talks about how she's had two kids,

both by C section. And then she says something about if she has her third kid by C section, then she can't have kids anymore. Right. Because the increased risk of dying. Yeah. I don't know if that's the thing either. I never heard of that before. Anyway, you have another clip on here that I thought, I don't even know what this is. I haven't listened to it yet, but I'm just assuming by what it's called where she talks about the better way to give birth she's got it all figured out yeah I'm going to play number 12. Play it first. She says if you're laying on your back delivering a

baby you're pushing against gravity. Yeah, that's how gravity works. Well, isn't it just as much helping as if you were standing up like bending over to do this? That's what I couldn't figure out. So her theory was we're doing this childbirth thing all wrong. That women should be squatting? Is that what she was saying?

Squatting or bending over, I think. Okay. You know, as somebody's supposed to be there to catch the baby is what I took from that. So labor can last hours. Yeah, she thinks though that after one hour, if the nurses would let you do it that way, that it would be much quicker

and that you're doing it the other way, laying on your back because then you can build, you know, the doctors can bill for more hours. Is that the conspiracy behind all this? I wonder what Mr. Google has to say about that. I wonder if he's aware of this conspiracy that's going on. I don't know. I don't know. He does. Mr. Google does say something that I thought was very funny. You know for a man, there is somebody with female walk, it's called vaginal punishment. I've never been there. I would translate that in case you missed it.

He says, you'll know whether your man did it or not, it's called vaginal punishment. So you can see if your man slept with another woman by the way that she walks. Is that what you got from that, Nick? Yeah, that's what I get. Okay, that's how I translated that. I want to talk about this one woman. I'm assuming it. And again, I don't know which one is which, but I'm assuming this is the woman who

sleeps with her cousin. She is a psychopath and she talks about what an ideal setup would be in her perfect world. No, I felt like in a perfect world for me. I would like to have me and at least, I wouldn't say at least, but me and five other men. Like, politically behavior here. So in her world, she would have a relationship where it's her and five other guys that she gets to sleep with whenever she wants.

She gets to invite, she sleeps in a bedroom by herself and then invites one of the five guys into the room to sleep with her as she sees fit. Right? With both ways though, I wonder. Wait, was she She's standing on? If she would want a guy to have five wives and be able to do the same thing. Well, so that she does say that the husbands are allowed to have side bitches, but there's

a shit ton of rules. So listen to how this all works. And they gotta know what fucking position I'm playing. That's it. No disrespect, no matter when I step in the fucking building, bitch, you play in my fucking park. And then the day you know, I'm the baby, you're the star of vision,

the only reason you got him is because I'm letting you borrow him. Because at any given time, I tell I think, let's go. He walk with me and then they got came in with me. Doesn't that just seem like a lot of work? I mean, like you're in a relationship. I'm a married man. Every single day, it's just, I don't have to worry about it

There's no rules involved. We just live our lives. She's got this crazy fucking scenario Where she has five guys living with her she picks what's one she fucks? They can have side bitches, but the bitches aren't allowed to be in the house and if she shows up where one of these husbands are With their side bitch, the side bitch has got to go. They got to know the rules and she's the what? They could, Jesus Christ, who can live their life like this? It could turn into like a lease for an apartment. You can have clauses. Yeah. Yeah. There's there's too much paperwork involved. A lot of

paperwork. That's my point. What I love though is that they're just, it's just non-stop ridiculous sex talk. And at some point, Mr. Google starts getting horny and says this. That's a lot of bad popping. That's a lot of badge popping. And the way he says it, it's like, yeah, his pants are getting tied over there.

I'm just gonna get it. I'm just gonna get it. And then in episode two, so episode one's great because you have these two co-hosts, the twin sisters, as I guess I didn't realize, who are talking about fucking guys in prison or whatever they're talking about. And then you get this producer who's way off mic

who's just kind of mumbling. In episode two, now they have the producer on mic because they decide, all right, we got some good chemistry here, we got to get this guy off. And then a random fourth person shows up. I don't know who he is. They don't introduce him.

I don't know who he is. I didn't listen real closely either and I can't tell what's going on. But this other guy shows up and asks just a dumb question. Here's this. Is it a difference between somebody who just fucks you up, no feeling involved. And somebody that you're really connected to is the sex better, but either one like, so I just know exactly what they don't. And they just land that shit out.

Is that better than a person who loves the sex better? I think they're saying if you're in love, is it better? Right. The sex better with a stranger or with someone you're in love with. So dumb question and then this answer immediately follows and what I love about this answer is everyone is screaming and even the guy who asked the question is continuing to talk over the answer. Now.

Connection. You as well. That's it. That's it. Yeah. Different. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just like Fuck We thought like we like one like man, we just don't like

I love this thing. I know the answer was It's either I have no idea and I love this thing where I've heard other podcasts that we've reviewed back in the day do this where I've heard other podcasts that we've reviewed back in the day do this. Somebody feels the need to just make noises on Mike, even though someone else is talking, so I'm just going, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, then you're not helping at all. You're just making it impossible for me to decipher what the fuck is going on with this answer. All right, so then the guy that they brought on who's the new guy that they didn't introduce starts talking about their episode one.

So they actually did get one other person to listen besides you and me. Talking about episode one, he has a problem with their take on dating guys in jail and he says this. Yeah, of course you're gonna get the spider web joining. Exactly. And then to the day every man don't actually have to get scratched.

So you have to get that shit. It's you go ahead and do what you do. Just don't forget about me, because at the end of the day, I don't forget about so. Anybody won't keep their legs closed, but as they do, follow y'all,

mark them, follow y'all for pussy. That's it, I'm gonna get it. No, but my thing is, it's not even following my pussy. I was getting like, I didn't want to just start screaming. But his point was, that's fucked up that you would just I'm not pussy, I'm not getting it like. I didn't want to just start screaming.

But his point was, that's fucked up that you would just let your guy go to jail and not date him anymore. I mean, go ahead and fuck people. That's fine, he's in jail. But when he gets out, I mean, you're still going to play for the girlfriend, right? That's how that should work.

When I loved about that whole rant that he just went on is the very beginning. What do you say to this? You're Gucci going to get the spider web, don't you? Exactly. You're coach, he's gonna get the spider webs on it. And I've never heard that ever sent by a human being before my life.

The way I wouldn't respond to someone saying that to me is by saying, exactly. Yeah, you're pushing the spider webs on it. Exactly, that's my point. That's what I was saying. You're cool she won't get the spider webs on it. Exactly. Exactly.

Oh shit. Pick it. You just get in a rhythm where you just want to agree, you know? Yes, maybe they're improv students. Like yes and we're cool. She's going to get spider webs. Yes and sir. What else?

All right, get back to your clips. What do you got? That's all right. There is one other takeaway that I got and it's advice. I always love when a podcast and give you advice that you can apply to your life. And I found that on clip 22. You always spend no butch come on. Everything after but is bullsh**. Everything after but is bullshit. It's true. I believe that yeah, that actually is I don't know I'm Nick Good advice or helpful in any single way

We haven't even talked about the fact that they must be using the mic that's on their computer right? They're not using a microphone. Well, here's the thing didn't you notice that episode two sounds a lot worse than episode one. Yeah way worse. Yeah I forget to bring the mic with them. So that one there's there's nothing sound dampening in the room that they're in. They decided to go into a place is just all concrete. There there isn't a single fucking poster on a wall that could absorb a little bit of sound. It's echoing off of everything and that's the worst microphone. And this is coming from me, the guy with the worst Saudi podcast in the world.

This is even worse than WATP. You do have a microphone, don't you? I do have a microphone. Oh, right. Let me get it in frame for you. Uh-uh. Hey. So let's see that he's got a microphone. There's

food. There's a question for a hundred episodes. People are wondering. And, and Nick has no reason to lie. We're not friends. We've never met before. So I just listened to the podcast. I find it humorous. Uh, you don't have to apologize for like, well, maybe you do have to apologize. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do.

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That people put out there for people to listen to. Yes. And we're just playing them. All right. Well, here's me making fun of it. This is one from the second episode. And I got to tell you when the second episode started off, I just pulled clip after clip after clip. But everything they said, oh, I got to talk about that. I got to talk about that. They say this. This is going to be a follow right here. Nope, sorry, you're wrong, look it up. This is gonna be a fun one right here.

And she's excited because they have this whole setup that they're gonna do. They know exactly what they're gonna start off with. And they have a topic of conversation. This is literally in the first minute of the podcast, this happens. It's our first time going to feature. So we're gonna start off with,

what did we agree to start off with here? It's literally the first thing you were gonna talk about and she already forgot. I mean, how hard is it when you do a podcast? Hey guys, are you ready to start the podcast now? Yeah, I think I'm ready. Why don't we hit record and start the podcast? Oh wait, I forgot everything we were gonna

fucking talk about. I have no notes. I don't know what the fuck is going on. I don't know what a feature is though, either. Yeah, I'm gonna do a feature. I didn't understand that part of that all because the first podcast they said we're gonna talk about dating guys in jail.

And then the second podcast they say, this is gonna be a fun one because we have a feature. And then the feature is exactly just like the first episode. The premise is, who does a man love the woman he lies to or the woman he tells the truth to? So they're already grasping it straws by episode two, no wonder they didn't go out to episode three. That's a fucking weird premise, isn't it?

You gonna spend an hour debating that? Well, I've heard worse. I'll be honest with you, I have heard worse. Well, it was interesting because there was actually people saying, well, it's definitely the woman he lies to because he's trying to spare her feelings. And it's like, never once they take into account that if you love someone, you wouldn't cheat on them.

That was just not even a possibility. You're like, well, when you cheat on your girlfriend, what you will, are you going to tell them or not? Well, if I love them, I'll tell them. What the fuck you universe is this? I, I, there was nothing in this that I could relate to at all. Even chocolate cocaine, I'm like, where the fuck is that available? I've never heard of that. I do variety. I don't understand anything that's going out've never heard of that. I do variety. I don't understand anything that's going out of the show. And then I talked about how they had this awesome sign off in episode one.

It was the only thing, awesome. I guess is maybe I'm going over more, but they had the whole thing choreographed and rehearsed and they were ready to go with it. So I get to the end episode two. I'm excited. I'm like, all right, cool. This is where they shine. This is where they show that this is a real show they put together and it's just they, I don't know if they forgot or what, but this is episode two's ending.

What? We're out of this bitch. Let's go. You can't end your show that way They didn't even say goodbye. They didn't even say goodbye run this bitch like oh, we're still talking. Oh, we're going Come back Come back Well, maybe they got made fun of by people who heard them. That would be my guess. Like, somebody, they were bragging on the front. Hey, we got a podcast. You got to check it out. And somebody maybe actually downloaded it. Listen to it. What the fuck is wrong with you two assholes? This is garbage. That would be my guess. But I don't know. I just wouldn't have been

sharing those stories to the world. Yeah. I actually, I don't have any rules on the show as you know, I don't tell the co-host what they can and cannot say, but I am adding the rule of sleeping with family members is off limits. If you've done it, I don't want to know about it. Don't admit it on the show. That's why I came out. No, I'm kidding. Totally kidding.

What else you got? Boy, nothing note worthy. You can hear another random shout out. My notes on this one is when you're doing a podcast, make sure you remember your audience can't see you. So the next clip has a couple issues. First there's a random shout out. Secondly, she's paraphrasing what her two-year-old told her.

And I had two-year-olds. My twins were two at one point. And they've never talked like this. Number nine. He been around my daughter since my daughter was six months old. And my daughter is two years old. And my daughter is. Hey, honey, I see you by a chance. And my daughter is two years old and my daughter is. Hey honey, I see you by a chance.

And my daughter's two years old now. And every day with this, with this I said, I want him, what I would say his name, but I want him. We here, I want to talk to him and it's like, when he do come around, I can't even get him a hug when I was fighting me like, no, that's Mark Satchel says, that's my, I'm like, cool, you can't hit it. I was just greeting him when he came in like.

So maybe they are live streaming somewhere. I don't think so. I don't think so. I'm conching. I think they're just dummies. I do like though, I'm glad you pulled that clip because I wanted to talk about this. She talks about this guy she's dating,

has known her daughter since she was six months old. She's two now and her daughter calls him dad, and they get along great, and they talk about face typing with each other. She's like, yeah, my daughter will face time with him, and I can't even get on. What is a two year old talking to an adult about? How long is this face type?

How long is this face type they going on for? I don't know. The fuck? By the way, also another thing that I might want to point out and I know that it's tough when you know you're two-year-old and they have a personality and their own person, they're not gonna remember a fucking thing

from being two years old. Everything that's happened is like you're dealing with a blackout drunk. Every single thing in their life, they might as well be a blackout drunk. They can get to know your friends. You can teach them things. They'll never remember it. You trust me. You can dump this guy.

It will be long forgotten. It's fine. Right. And because that's what they were worried about, is if I bring another man into my life, are they going to understand that this other man is who's not the father is still going to be. It's a two year old. It doesn't matter. You can you can say whatever you want in front of this person. They're not you can say the earth is flat and explain all the reasons why you think the earth is flat. The two year old's not going to grow up be like, yeah, my mom was crazy. She's not

the earth was they're not going to remember. Right, it's five. All right, I got a couple more clips on here from you, Nick. Do you want to hit anything else before we move on with our lives? No, I really got nothing. Okay. All right, cool. Yeah, I'm good.

Awesome, well that was fun. Let's go. Not to do during my podcast though. That was an unbelievable show. I'm really glad that you found that. I was I was I don't know if I said this at the beginning Carl though, but this is why this show bothers me so much because I did come from a radio background. I was a jack back in the late 90s and early 2000s. Oh sweet. And it took a long time for me to start a show with my radio co-host because we wanted to make sure we had something interesting to say and premise and all that and then you hear shows like this. My point is is not everybody should be having a podcast like

it's just especially if you're not going to put in the effort to really make it something worth somebody's while. And this was for me because the stories were good, but I just got frustrated. Well, I mean, family guy really summed it up. Hey, you know what, guys? This right here, this rambling, boring conversation containing already made before observations, this could be a podcast. I loved that show where they started the podcast because everything that I hate about podcasts and the problem with it Nick, it's like, I need like, just put out a show and put up on the internet and pretend they're podcast host. That's fine. I get it. Whatever. But it just, it ruins it for people who are putting effort into like you, a professional who's done this, knows how to broadcast. It ruins it for all of us because then people

hear these shitty podcasts, they go, oh, I don't like podcasts, they're garbage. It's like, well, yeah, you're right. 99.9% of podcasts are fucking garbage. This is true, but there needs to be some type of category system, or I know that iTunes puts up whatever they think is fucking important, which is mostly celebrities, but it's annoying that anyone with a fucking built-in microphone on their computer can just shout at each other in a fucking rambling conversation. You need to have a format. Have a fucking format, please. It's all I ask.

Yeah. All right. All right. Well, this has been fun. I'm glad that you wrote in and wanted to do the show together. We had a good time listening to the show yesterday, not so much today, but it's definitely a really good lesson in what not to do when you start your own podcast.

So, you know what that means, Nick? You know what part of the show that we're on to now? Teaser. Long teaser. The teaser. That's what it's called. The teaser. Long teaser. Long teaser. The teaser. The teaser. That's what, it is time for everyone's favorite part of the show.

The part where we play a clip from the show that we'll be reviewing on next week's W-A-T-P without further ado, let's give her a listen. We're live. Oh. Oh my gosh. Welcome. Thank you for listening. This is the worst meatball sandwich ever podcast. Yeah, and we are sitting here in the little studio here

in podcast, Detroit and beautiful Royal Oak Michigan. This is Bob and Dave from the IT and the show. Believe it or shit, we own the joint. We're in the little studio. We're in the little, we are in the little, the card table in the hallway Or the kids table I got to wait till three people died before I sit at the big dining table and we are joined by the illustrious one Mr. Mark pants. Thank you for hanging out with us. Oh, thanks for having me

All right, this is The worst meet yeah, I know exactly. I love when they start off and they say can you believe we're in this studio? Yeah, this studio is small. Like no one could see this, it's fine. It's fucking pretending whatever. It doesn't matter. Theater of the mind. This is a show called Worst Meatball Sand

which ever it's on the podcast Detroit Network. A network that did not know existed nor did anyone else. And this is a suggestion from a listener, Matt. He wrote in and this is, he says, it's a 30-45 minute show, which I appreciate. Thank you very much. Some people like to suggest flat Earth's conspiracies, a three hour long fucking podcast.

It's a 30-45 minute show where we read one star, where they read one star Yelp reviews. In some regards, similar to your podcast, I figure with Dean Emory and the PWLT Facebook groups crusade against you. You need a show that'll lighten the mood. So much appreciated Matt. We'll check this out. I do like the promise of the show. They just read people's one-star Yelp reviews and then make fun of the people for writing said review. We're gonna listen to episode 23 from April 14th, 2017, called Airport A-Holes Part One.

This is a show that's still going on. I listen a little clips of the more recent episodes but they were a live podcast. And I don't know. I'd rather listen to one where they were in their small studio and doing what they usually do. Because I think when you get an audience involved, it kind of changes the dynamics of things.

I didn't want to judge the show. I'm going back to edit because then you see what choices they made. Wait, say that again. Oh, well, you would rather probably listen to one where they've had a chance to edit it. Right. The choices are that they made or didn't make. Well, it's interesting you say that because obviously you can edit the live shows. They're not going live to air.

They're just recording it live in front of an audience. But we've listened to NPR shows where you do go, they edit the shit out of those shows. I've had friends who've gone scene tapings live and they, they take for three hours and that's a 40 minute podcast. You can tell every edit because there's crow noise in the background. So it sounds like garbage. It's unnatural. So anyway, again, I want to thank you very much, Nick, for coming on the show. I had a lot of fun. Do you want to talk about fan counters or anything else that you're working on? Maybe I should be scared to.

Yeah, no shit. Yeah. So I do podcast called fan counters and being from the film industry and radio and all that stuff. I have a lot of friends and stuff who've coming on the show and we interview celebrities about their encounters with fans because you always hear about how, you know, oh, I met so and so. Well, how was it? It was great.

Well, what was it? It was great. Well, what was it like for the celebrity? And that's those are the tables we turn. And it's a lot of fun. I like it. When are you guys going to actually have a celebrity on that show? Oh, look at Ford and the other.

Oh, celebrities are on every page. Well, what was about, no, I do like the premise a lot. And again, Nick being a professional has a format. They don't he doesn't just have a random conversation aside from kids birthday parties, but aside from that, it's not just a five minutes of a general, you know, a general topic and then we go right into the show. It's not, you know, it's a lot of times it's less than five minutes. It's good. You guys you guys keep it moving. You're very aware that you're putting on a show. I know you're not a fan of just general banter and stuff. We do have our notes on what exactly we're gonna talk about

because we do want our audience to know a little bit about us over time, but we're not doing a whole hour or just on us. I do appreciate that because there are a lot of people who think because they're doing a podcast, there are celebrity and people give a shit about them. We've lost a lot of those and I just, I don't understand where that narcissism comes from. Yeah, well, we know we're not celebrities. We know that people don't care, but this is also a way for us to archive special moments

in our life for our kids when they want to listen back and be like, what was this like? So it's kind of one of our ways to archive that as well. But that's one of our reasons why we do it. Awesome. Well, listen, if you're one of those people who are outraged by every single thing that I say, then make sure to go to the fan counters Facebook page and give them one stars and rant on their wall. I'm going to kill you now. Oh, I heard you. Well, trust me, nobody does what I tell them to do. and give them one stars and rant on their wall.

I'm gonna kill you now. I'm gonna hurt you. Well trust me, nobody does what I tell them to do. They only do what the other hosts tell them to do. So it's psychology. It's reverse psychology, right? Yes, if I say you're an awful human being,

they're gonna be like, wait a second, maybe he's one of the good guys. Maybe that's how that works. Okay. Okay. Dude, I am sorry about this whole backlash that you're getting.

I can't fathom that this is something people are letting themselves be consumed with. I've been looking at the back and forth that's been going on debating this whole issue that we've had, and I didn't have time to fucking read what these people are writing paragraphs and paragraphs of nonsense. It's like, you're more into it than I am. And this is my fucking life and my job. Like, why are you so consumed with this

shit? Well, I don't know how you sleep at night, but even the few that have reached out have made me be like, should I cancel? Should I not? But you know what, I'm a man of my word. If I'm, say I'm gonna be somewhere, I'm gonna be somewhere. And... Well, Nick, I'm glad you didn't cancel. You've done nothing wrong. You have no reason to feel bad about being on the show or anything that you've done. Everybody enjoys what they enjoy.

And this whole thing where now we can get the angry mob justice out there and silence people is frankly just fucking scary as hell. And I'd hate to have hosts who are going to come on, get threats and then say, okay, I'm not going to go on the show now because that's just not what we're about. It doesn't make any sense to me. Me either. All right. Well, thanks Carl. I appreciate being here. It was fun. It was just as much fun as I thought it was going to be. Excellent.

Well, you came prepared and we appreciate that. And I ask everyone to please join us again next week because it might be the episode where we find out what's in for all. Who are these podcasts? Sleep well, every pony. Starting in the must-vis of Morning Radio. And now to show these clothes right now. Must this... of Morning Radio? God damn, how are you? I'm okay. I'm okay.

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