Who Are These Podcasts? - Ep104 - Not Another NERDY Podcast

Episode Date: April 29, 2018

Doug from Who's Right joins us this week to analyze a show that no one has ever heard before - Not Another NERDY Podcast. What are these guys doing? They talk about winning $88 at a casino, moving boxes of comic books from their basement, a Moe's opening up near their house... have they never heard a podcast before? This is definitely a "shooting fish in a barrel" edition of WATP. If garbage podcasts didn't exist and we had to make up shitty shows to goof on, I couldn't possibly make up a show this shitty. It would seem too unrealistic.  Anyway, I guess The Big Bang Theory is a popular show and maybe someone likes this. Perhaps there's an audience for this nonsense. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hello and welcome to another episode of Who Are These Podcasts. The show with the most hate-fueled downloads on the internet. I'm your host, Carl, with me as always, is Doug from the Who's Right Podcasts. Welcome, Doug. Hello, Carl, it's good to be back yet again. I'd like to remind our listeners you can visit us at WhoAreThese.com, our Facebook page, or on Twitter at WhoAreThese.com. Email the show at watpshowatgmail.com. We're always looking for podcast suggestions, also.

If you find the show the slightest bit entertaining, don't forget to give us a positive five-star review on iTunes. Today we'll be reviewing a podcast called Not Another Nerdy Podcast. We both listen to the show separately. We have not discussed it with each other beforehand. So without further ado, let's get into it. Doug, not another nerdy podcast. we listen episode 59, I think it's their most recent, with host Tom Van Zant. He also had co-hosts on their D-Rock, Steve Mickman and his attorney Chris Todd. I picked up on, I think there was, Jay Money was mentioned in senior bow D-Rock, as you said, it was a bunch of shitty white rapper names. Yeah, I thought it was stupid

Jay money was not on this episode But apparently he's normally on the show and they played this bit I guess he has this pre-recorded bit that he does what that promotes how you can find the show and I'll play this right off the bat This is Jay Money's Bit. Rod Apple Podcast, PodBeat, Stitcher Radio, Google Play, YouTube. Hey, Lily, it's part of the summer! I got Bob on busy! Check us out on the dirt podcast, Bob, your website, and also check us out on podnight.com

to leave us a fly star review. Hey, buddy, you watch off the summer! It's Bob's stop embarrassing me. I'm trying to record something Back to you guys Did you follow that at all? You know, I didn't even when I heard, I didn't think it was a bit. I just assumed that's a day in the life. Oh my God.

I didn't understand anything that the mom was saying to him. And I've listened to that about a dozen times now. The only thing I understood at the end was J money, you're in big trouble. But I didn't know what that back and forth was. I kind of found that ironic, their names, you know, the D rock and J money, like they're really, really hip, like, uh, like I said, a bunch, a bunch of shitty rapper names, like the T bag boys, that's, that's what it reminded me of. If they were a rap group, they'd be called the T bag boys.

Well, here is the clip that sums up the show for me. But I got it, took it apart finally, hooked it all up and it looks good. It almost looks a little silly because it's so shiny and new and the cabinets and the sink or not. So it's almost like Star Wars special edition where like the shit they added looks out of place because it's surrounded by old shit. Yeah. Uh huh. Okay, I pulled that clip.

And I should mention that I have more clips on this show than I think I've ever clipped on a show before. Everything is clipable and listenable. So that's it's either everything is clipable or dismissable. Yeah, right. Exactly.

There's nothing going on on this whole show. This was a conversation about how this guy put in a new faucet in his kitchen. It took him 10 hours. And that's why I pulled this clip because a lot of the information that's being told on this podcast is just random shit about their personal lives. Nobody would possibly care about it. And that was the same thing that I picked up on through the whole episode was, so you and I together reviewed Flat Earth. Yeah. It had a point, I mean, it was stupid, but it had a point. The music, video game music, at least they had a point. Right. This episode had no point.

There was no reason to put this out at all. No, it was just, it was just a conversation with nerds and not even talking about nerdy shit like you want it to be for example You think there's a new star wars movie coming out. Oh, okay. Well then these guys can talk about behind the scenes Maybe there's some news coming up. They get into the star wars movie. This is what they have to say about it Oh, I got some solo news for you. You have some solo news. I do. Now featuring at Denny's when you get a drink or a meal They'll give you a free pack of Star Wars solo cards. Really? Are they limited edition or something? They are. Yeah. Guess we're gonna have to go eat at Denny's Are you fucking kidding me? That's their Star Wars news that Denny's running a fucking promotion for the movie and how dumb is this guy?

Are they limited edition? Everything's limited edition That's the definition of things When they finally touched on something that was interesting it was somebody I think from Supergirl or something got into a What there was news that she was in a sex cult right? And they and they only spent what, three minutes talking about it, they barely brushed over it. I mean, you could have had an entire show just about that. That was the only cool thing

it was going out in the news that week. And then they left that to do a 25 minute review about Ready Player One that didn't even talk about, it, hmm. Yeah, they, they, trumped up this thing they're going to talk about ready player one and I learned nothing from the conversation about it except for that it's different than the book. It was the only thing that I took away from that.

You know, normally when I come on your show, I generally badmouth the person that asked, you know, that recommended the show that we're going to review. How are you going to do that today? It's's gonna be tough, right? This is no different. Yes, this was this was Doug's suggestion and I have to say, I listened episode 59, it's where most of these clips are from, but I went back and listened episode 58 as well, so I could get a feel for when Jay Moneys on the show because they kept referencing this guy and it just wasn't the same because they had to have two other hosts replace Jay Monty because he's so important. So I listen to this conversation between the host and Jay Monty and let me just play a clip

from that real quick. This is them talking about this convention that was nearby. Well, first of all, this is the second year in a row that I applied for press passes. And for the second year, we did not get them. And not only do we not get them, but they don't even send me a rejection email. So you have no way to know whether or not you got it or not. I mean, I look at my junk folder, stuff like that. That's Jaybottie.

This guy's a fucking loser. He's trying to get a press pass to get to this fucking sci-fi convention. And he's rejected. Yeah, no shit. You're on nobody. Why would they possibly give you a press pass? Who do you work for? You're telling me part of that committee isn't part of the not nation. Yeah, right. I guess they're not part of not nation. So Doug, I don't care about Twitter as you know, but I had to look this up because they talk about, oh, why didn't care about Twitter as you know, but I had to look this up because they talk about,

oh, why didn't you get the press pass? Their show has less than 1,000 Twitter followers. Jay Money himself has 337 followers on Twitter. This guy thinks he's part of the fucking press. He's gonna be able to promote a convention. You know, I won't even put in for a press pass just because I don't want the rejection. Well, that's what I thought was hilarious.

Here he goes, thinking at least email you back. No, they don't owe you shit. They don't need to email you back. You're a nobody you shouldn't have applied for in the first place. So they're talking about this convention. Do you know who the fuck I am? I'm Jay fucking money. I'm Jay's money.

Let me be talking about this convention. This just struck me in 2018. I thought this fucking money. Money. Let me talk about this convention. I this just struck me in 2018. I thought this was funny. I mean, last year it was only 15 bucks to get in. This year it was 20 bucks and there was not $5 more worth of content. Let me tell you that. It's in there charging 25% more. Right.

You would expect 25% more content. At least. Yeah, that's how I felt. I mean, I'll probably still go next year, just be it. They're lucky. They're in the casino. Right. That's the selling point. Yeah.

Yes. And it's free parking. What kind of losers are these guys? They're concerned about a $5 cover. $5 more for the cover. I don't know about you, dog. I don't want to add to like a big shot. But $5 is pretty much round down to zero, right?

It's nothing. What's the fucking difference? So if it's a convention of a bunch of things that you enjoy, and they're gonna tell me that it's going from $15 to $20, I don't even know that I would notice. My last one, I would not put together a spreadsheet to get the value add and what more I would expect

to get out of this, there should be at least 22% more fucking glasses and pocket protectors or something. I don't know what to say. When you're talking about a dollar amount of five, I don't start putting percentages to that. Well, this is a 25% increase over last year. It's five bucks, whatever, what's the fucking difference? And then he talks about how there's free parking.

What kind of, what do these guys do for a living? That this is what they're concerned about. And then I wanna remind you. I checked the schematics and there was not 25% more content. I am paid to. As you're pushing up your glasses. I, so this convention was being held in a casino. So the guy talks about-

I expected there to be 25% more women that would not look at me while I was there. This guy talks about how he goes and starts to play some games. So you know, you're in a casino, there's blackjack, there's whatever. This is the big news story from that I did pretty good. I was up 88 dollars nice you are the man who gets the money So I cashed out right away that smart oh My god, are these chill people to think dude he made 88 dollars at slot machines and it cashed out right away

I think I said yeah, that's how you do it Don't let them fuck you over like dude. Well, what kind of loser are you? You fucking are bragging about when he $88 at a casino So it sounds like that other episode is I think that the guys voice that we keep hearing is the main host Yes time yeah, and and there is like zero emotion through any part of anything. It's yes, yes, that's what you do. You take them for $88. All right, let's talk about this guy's range of emotion

that he has. He starts off the show, episode 59, introducing his lawyer. And it's a good thing his lawyer's there because of this. And I'm going to get a little angry later and Rant a bit and I thought when I go on this rant it might be a good idea to have my lawyer present So I brought in the official lawyer of not another nerdy podcast mr. Christopher Todd Well, thank you for having me here to protect your fifth amendment rights

We say I think you're about to incriminate yourself aren't Hey, I hope not. That's not like Shaggy laughing in the Shaggy doers, whatever scrappy you. Yeah, right. So he talks about how he's going to go on this epic rant later. He's all fired up. This is again, talking to the lawyer, he's worried he's going to incriminate himself with the things he's going to say.

Yeah, hopefully I don't give you any more work to take care of's worried he's going to incriminate himself with the things he's going to say. Yeah, hopefully I don't give you any more work to take care of on this evening's show. Oh dear, what's coming? I don't even know this is going to be a surprise. Okay, so he's setting this all up. This is at the beginning of the show. He's got this rant. He's going to go on. He's all fired up at about 40 minutes, 45 minutes in. He finally decides to get into it so this is the big news of the show uh... i just have a set up that i'll play and then i'll explain what this is all about here

it said on last week's episode that we were done with the pattern madness and it had been closed down because of all of the drama that had gone on and we were unfortunately embroiled in although we did not cause it. Doug, do you want to explain what this is all about? I can, yeah. So the pattern madness tournament, it was this tournament that a bunch of lame ass fucking podcast decided to get into. Uh, any, any podcast that was in this is self-serving, stupid, not worth listening to.

I don't know. There'd be so much editorializing. I just figured you'd explain what the background was. You're just motherfucking everyone who's part of this. Okay, fair enough. So, so we were in it and we were going to lose. So I have a lot of animosity towards it. Got you. That makes sense. So, yeah, I don't know what clips you pulled about it, but what it was was the pattern family, which is a thing on to help promote any podcast put together this tournament. And you had to request to be part of it, which comes up later on if you have that clip. But so it was all done by voting. And there was some shitty shady shady going on on one side of the bracket. And another podcast, Robin Slim, who looked like they were they were

going to win the whole tournament called these guys out for paying for votes. And then that's what set this guy off. That's exactly right. So bracket system, each, you know, I guess I don't know if it was every week or how that worked, but there'd be podcasts. They were up against each other. People would vote on Twitter and then the winner would go through.

And these guys were in the final four against some other show. And they were gonna go up against Robinslim and the finals if they had won. Hey, dickhead. No, they weren't. They were gonna go up the winner against me, us and Robinslim. Oh, okay.

Oh, sweet. I didn't realize that you guys were in the final four also. We were gonna lose, but the tournament got canceled because of uh... whatever shady shit happened yeah apparently it's very easy to buy votes for these twitter polls which you know that

you're right uh... so yeah so this is everything you just said exactly right this guy has been stewing robin slim really went after him hard he's pissed off and this is him ready to He's pissed off and this is him ready to fucking spout off on this. I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with is when I listen to your show and you per you you I'm getting fucking pissed off. I don't know what to say about it. And then he gets him to, now this is, you know, it's called not another nerdy podcast.

I'm not sure why they call it that. It's just another nerdy podcast with nerds talking about random nerds shit. And what nerds can't do is good tough guy talk. This is this is time being a tough guy. But don't you go on your internet radio show and badmouth me motherfucker. That is the cutest motherfucker I've ever heard on a podcast. Cute. That's what you don't want to be called when you're talking shit is cute. Oh my god, I want to hug that motherfucker. Like, ah, it's adorable. All right, I got a bunch of clips about this. This is, he's very upset with the Robin Slim show. So he starts really going after that. And they proceed to call us fags and cunts

and all kinds of unsavory names. Unsavory. Fuck you. Robin Slim, go fuck yourselves. You have no idea what you're talking about. These guys are a couple of fucking dude bros. Whoa! Oh, shats fired!

Look out! All right, so this is the silliest of silly podcast wars I've ever been a part of He called his name, so we're gonna call them names and then we'll see who's calling people names This is he talks to his attorney. He wants to play a clip from the Robin Slim show where Robin and some are talking about this guy Tom So he asks his attorney if he can do that you should be pissed off too, you know And And I would actually play the clip where they said these things about us, except I think I have to ask permission, and I'm not asking them fucking permission for anything.

They look like top of the fucking idiots. Let me refer to my lawyer here. Could I play that as saying it's, I'm playing it as, as a review purposes? Could I get away with that? Legally? All right, the answer to that question is yes. The answer is exactly yes.

Of course you could play it for review purposes. That's all we do around here is play clips for review purposes. And this fucking idiot attorney, this guy is an idiot, says this. I don't think so. You might be able to get away with playing a couple seconds of it, but I wouldn't play the whole clip. So like maybe 10 seconds of it? Yeah, that's play the whole clip. So like maybe 10 seconds of it? Yeah, that's what the law says.

You could play 10 seconds of the clip. And nine to the half, you might want to start fading it. That's the law of how you can use other people's fucking material. What is wrong with these assholes? That's an attorney. So what's great is, I know you don't pay attention to none of this shit.

You walk away from the podcast after you review it and you'll never look back. But so because I was in this tournament or mean Anthony, whatever. So I was heavily involved with just kind of seeing what was going on here. And the beauty of this was they spent what 35, 40 minutes talking about Robyn Slim. Yes. And Robyn Slim never even even fired back, nothing. I mean, Robinslim are known for just going for the jugular and then moving on.

And these guys spun their wheels for 45 minutes, put out another shit show, and then they didn't even, they got nothing out of it. They got no gratification, I guess. That's awesome. Because, and I think that they purposely buried all of this on their show. They did it 40 to 40 seconds in so that no one would ever hear it or find it. This show that you know their listeners are part

of not nation which we'll get into but this show has no listeners. I don't know how they must have cheated to get through this tournament. Who is voting for this show? They're talking, how many votes did it take to win a week, Doug? We were right around a hundred and between 150 and 200. Is there any chance there's 150 people listening to this fucking not another nerdy podcast show? Well, on the other side of the bracket, there were, I think they were, I would say they were probably getting 40 to 50 votes. The bracket was broke up based on followers initially. That's how you were seated. Okay.

All right, so let's get back into this riveting conversation with this attorney. And I can't believe how big of a fucking nerd I sound like talking about this. You got it all figured out. This is what I call suing talk, where they start talking about whether there's been laws broken or not. Because I don't expect not nation to go listen to this shit show. Yeah, we don't want to bump up there. No, I don't want them to get there no i don't want to get any prestige off of that but i do want them to hear what they said about us

it's really fucking bothering me i think you can quote them but you can't play okay to be said you played so wizard clips all the time you never asked Joey my friend Joey well no i'm not really worried about joey suing me okay well fox almost you guys the these assholes could very well suit me who knows although i think i could see them for i feel like i could sue them for slander and libel to be honest with you

he thinks he can sue them for slander and libel did they write a newspaper article about how this guy's a con what is he talking about libel because you understand what that means did you did you pull any of the clips of, so they, I think all Robinslim set up on was that they were fags or something, I don't know, but all the shit that they said

about Robinslim, did you cut that up, or did you grab that? Oh yeah, oh, I have some amazing shit out of that, yes. Yeah, so he jumps from saying, you know, I don't want to say anything because they could they will sue us first lander libel right and then jumps into whatever you whatever you got well i'll play a couple examples this is this is a gem

that's a lot of rapists all right no you gotta what you gotta watch what you say here this is why i have my lawyer present they look like rapists. He's worried about being called a conti. He's calling them rapists. And then he says, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We're gonna be careful what we say.

And then he says this. Chris, can I say animal rapists? Yeah, oh. Thank you. Yeah, there are a bunch of goat fuckers. A bunch of animal rapists. Animal raping goat fuckers, go ahead. We'll drop down to your style of humor.

We'll stoop to your level. You goat fucking motherfuckers. Are you fucking kidding me with this? These guys are thinking that they can sue them for slander and they're calling them goat fuckers. Do they understand how the world works? This lawyer. I have a clip here that I call this lawyer is an idiot. Slander and libel are pretty hard to actually prove especially the damages. Yeah.

And they would have to believe that you're a continent of ag. Right. And I don't think anybody could believe that about not another nerdy podcast. Yeah. I mean everybody but money as kids. It, you know what, it doesn't even if I was a fag, even, or excuse me, I don't even like that. I love that. Yeah, what if it even if I was gay, okay?

Okay, so there's a couple of things going on here that I need to point out. When he talks about being able to sue them for slander, I thought he was talking about the fact that they think he cheated on this stupid Twitter contest, right? They accuse him of cheating and buying votes. When you sue someone for slander, it's not because they called you a name on the internet. Could you imagine if that was something you could sue someone over? This guy called me a dude you had. I'm taking him to court. Like when you're a fucking idiot. And this attorney is Actually talking about this is if it's a real thing. Well, you know, it is difficult to guess someone for for slander

Especially if you are actually a cunt and a fag. It's gonna be very hard to prove What the fuck is wrong with these people? They call this constant fags That's not really nice. No, it's not nice at all, but no, it's not nice. These guys are nice, you think? That's why they actually have listeners. And you guys have none. What I liked was, sorry, I think you got to see a little bit of the host's true feelings

about homosexuals. Yeah. Even if I was a faggot. I know. Yeah, whoops. They're all giggling like children about it. All right, this is a couple of things I wanna point out that this makes zero sense. They go after Rob and Slim

because they say that they have toilet humor. Harbor Mike listened to the show and he said it was awful. Yeah, you know, he said it was just like toilet humor. Yeah, exactly, dude, bro. Like really bad. Yeah, all right He said it was just like toilet humor. Yeah, exactly. Dude, bro. Really bad. Yeah. All right. Then later he talks about what that toilet humor consists of. Good luck with your shitty little podcast, internet radio show, whatever the fuck it is. You sit there for four hours and do fart jokes. That's your gig. That's what you're about. Okay, so he's calling them out because they just sit there and do fart jokes.

And I have to point out a little bit of hypocrisy here because earlier in this exact same episode, they go on a two-minute tirade with fart jokes. I've sped it up because it takes way too long, but listen to how long these guys talk about farting. Some are close by, yeah, we went to it. That's the place where all the minifigures were really farting all the aisles. No, no, no, that was bricks and minifigures. Oh, okay. Derek never fartes apparently.

He loves to rub my nose in the fact that I just went public. That was farting. You farted to the people around. You fart? You have to fart, dude. We talk about. When you get to be my age, you fart when you need to fart. 59?

That's right. Anyway. Are you supposed to not enjoy the simple leisure of rock dusting an entire aisle of a white store? You can't just like the slightest pin drop you're gonna hear so no that in that place. I don't fart silently So yeah, no, what's the point of farting silently? You might as well just no, no, I'm saying it was so quiet in there Like you get your pin drops so times far she's just even more embarrassing and they used to her. Well obviously I was trying to embarrass you There's a method to my madness

I was in the other aisle you but you still were affected by my farts. That's all that it was. I had to go outside to breathe They're cracking themselves up because they were in a toy store farting You know normally you can speed up anybody's audio and it becomes immediately entertaining. Yeah, this is this is like the chipmunks if they were really fucking boring. Yes, I know. There's nothing, there's no reason to listen to the show at normal speed. And listening to it at fast speed only rips the bandit off quicker. It's, I'm very surprised at how bad this show is.

I don't know why people put out podcasts. Finally, they're taught. This is the, go ahead. Oh, I was just going to say this is a perfect example of why you should have to apply for podcast license. So these, these bitching about this Robin Slim calling him names, he's very upset about it. And then this is co-host Derek, their DRock. This guy fucking gets it. And that's it, that's it. I don't know. It's like getting upset about some tender old

who made funny, like, I don't care, like, honestly. I didn't even listen to it, but I don't care. He really takes the wind out of his sails. This guy goes, ah, and out of that. He goes, D-Rock, they talk shit about you too. He should be pissed because I don't care. Exactly. Who cares?

Why would you care about this? It's the internet. I don't care. Exactly. Who cares? Why would you care about this? It's the internet. I don't care. Right. Are you really getting worked up over the internet? That last, I don't know if you're planning on moving on or what, but, but I like how they they prefaced it by saying the stupid fucking modern patent is, modern madness tournament that nobody cares about. And then they talk about it for 40 minutes.

So that one guy anyway talks about it for 40 minutes. So that one guy anyway, talks about it for 40 minutes. Right. He was right when saying that nobody cared about it. Everybody else has moved on. And this guy is, his life is ruined. He said he has a wife, so I assume that he's allegedly hitting her allegedly. There, I don't want that shitty lawyer coming after me.

Yeah, watch out for that attorney who doesn't understand anything about slander or copyright laws or anything. This is fucking moron. And that's weird too, because you would think, what I think of nerd culture, and I talked about this when we were teasing the show last week, nerd culture, what it really boils down to, is just use still like shit that's made for kids. If you're into video games and pro wrestling and comic books, this is all shit that has been produced specifically for an audience that is children. And you like it as an adult, and now that makes you like a nerd. I always thought the nerd thing was, these guys were also uber smart, maybe good at computers. These guys don't even have good jobs or make any fucking money

It's a it's a weird isn't that usually synonymous with with being nerdy isn't that like with the big bang theories all about like these guys are nerds But they're also really like tech smart and know how to do shit So I think what you're saying is there's a fine line between nerd and loser. Yeah, well thank you. Thank you. This should be another loser podcast. That's what they should call this show. So there's what four hosts or five hosts. However many hosts, let's say they're seven hosts. Yes. And then their parents, so two apiece, assuming they're all alive, 721. The not nation is 21 fucking people. That's what I'm understanding. Top's not nation, population 21.

Yeah, that's the funny thing is that they have this, they pretend to have a fan base, but it's very obvious that nobody's listening to this show because I listened to this show. If I wasn't forced to listen to this entire show, it'd take clips from it. There's no way I would have gotten through all of this. It's nonstop just anecdotes and boring personal information I put together, a compilation dog. And I tried to keep this short, but this is a compilation of just them talking about

shit in their personal lives. The no one could possibly care about. These are not celebrities. They're not people that you know. And yet feel a need they're compelled to tell you boring shit from their everyday life Actually, I had a kid. Yeah, you did and I have I have since had a son. Oh, yeah, congrats Time. All right. Yeah, I missed out on that because of a few beansick. No, it was a good night Didn't get home to about one o'clock in the morning. Well, that's way past your bedtime. Yeah, a little bit, but all I got to me in the dog. Oh, yeah, I got so much stuff to go over and install the new faucet today in the kitchen at my house.

I went to this some of the old one and I didn't have a basin wrench. Yeah, you need that. The hell else did I do? I don't remember, it's been so long, it's seven on the show. You came over last weekend and helped me on the Tri-Conic collection. You moved probably three boxes. I will say the one good thing about decluttering

the basement is I've found a lot of cool shit I forgot I had. They make it stop. They make it stop. I know. My life's fucking obsessed with the mose. Welcome to mose. We can go to Salem next year, Tom, with aose. You know, welcome to mose. We can go to, uh, sail a mix of your time with a zack.

Time to quit talking. It's non-stop shit like that. Like, you heard that quick clip where he said, the cool thing about cleaning up my basement was I found all the stuff I forgot I had. Then never talks about it again. If you're going to segue a conversation like that, oh, like, what?

What's all this cool shit? No, nothing. They're just talking to Phil Time. And at one point, the fucking one guy gets it. And he doesn't even realize how silly this is to say. You have to remember Steve, when you're doing a podcast that you're talking to people and those people may not be aware of what you're talking about.

Yeah, you do have to be aware of that. That's an amazing lesson for all podcasts There's be aware you're doing a show You're not having a boring conversation with your boring friend like any other fucking Tuesday You're doing a show talk about shit people would care about Maybe add a little bit of content or context to what you're talking about it makes zero sense These guys understand that and yet cannot stop themselves from having this boring conversation.

You think there was any type of like pre-show work done, anything at all that they put together as far as an outline or show notes or something that they wanted to hit when they started recording? Or do you think they just all sit down and tell their moms are gonna go down to the basement and then just get on and start talking. The sad thing is Doug, at the end of the show, and I don't know if you listen all the way through the end, they put an extra six or seven minutes on of the prep.

Their conversation prepping for the show. Did you hear that? So you know that I put the work into your show that is required to put out a good show. You know that. Of course. So I did listen and there was a guy searching through a double bag for a mic or something and that's where I'd be old if that's what you're talking about.

I have this down as an optional clip but since we're talking about it, they were prepping for the show. They're but since we're talking about it, they were prepping for the show, they're like we got to talk about Rob and Slim, they're having these conversations, are waiting for this guy to get done eating, and then the one host like oh I gotta go take a leak, so the other two guys start talking to each other. He decides to put this at the end of the show, this is how unaware these people are of what a podcast should be. He put this on the show.

Oh, you've been dirt. Yeah, you know, crazy month that worked in a good way or bad way. Good way. You work in a Honda dealer, right? Yep. Did I read right? That they're having a hard time selling a chords? They probably are because they haven't released any incentives on them because they just came out Never buying anything other than American again Honda is 100% American since when Send you a picture of my windows that birds on the car outside All right, I got I got a stop this it goes on and on and on this dude

They put this on the show this guy guy works in a hot to dealership. He's like, oh yeah, that's neat. This is the most ass and I in boring conversation. I've never heard of my life. And it's on a fucking show. How is that possible? Okay, so it's a little bit of the content, but I do have to believe that it's also in the delivery.

I think that you and I could re-enact that conversation and make it somewhat listenable. Oh, I doubt it. That would be a tough one. That would be tough. Ask me. Ask me about Honda's. Doug, give her a drive of a Honda. Who gives a shit? Who gives a fuck? Exactly. That's what this entire show should just be this. Who gives a shit? Who gives a fuck? Should just be that drop all the time. And you know what's sad is that you know that, Doug, I take a lot of pride in the fact that when I have a drop

on the show, I do it in real time. I don't go back afterwards and put drops in to make it sound more interesting. This asshole puts a random drop in and you could tell that it's all done in post production, which is annoying because you should add it out all the boring conversations if you are doing post-production. But here's an example of just the type of random drops that he puts in.

That's unlike an Activision's classic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was separate from the regular tarry. O-M-T-U-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S weekend basically. So that's one of the things that he likes to do in post production. If just put in random clips, especially if somebody makes a reference to a character saying something from a movie, he'll get that exact character and then put it right after that. That adds any value to the conversation whatsoever. The other thing that he does is this stupid reverb effect. I don't know this has to be done in post. It's not like he's popping it on and off as they're going. And does this make it any more funny? Does this make the punchline

actually work? And now I'm like trying to sneak it by my wife and hide it in the pod because she wants it. Yeah, not only that, I bring something over that I got for Tom's kids. Oh, yeah, way to do that right in front of her. Well, it was for your kids, and she's like yelling at me. She's like, why are you bringing it more like I was? Yeah, I saw you bring that in from your car. What's the point of that? I saw you bring them in from your car. Oh, I'll put the reverb effect on it.

That'll punch it up nicely. Maybe his wife spends a lot of time in the bathroom or something. That way, rep, rep, rep, good impression. Yeah. Here is a clip that I call cracking themselves up. They go off on this riffie thing. And again, the guy has to go in post and put reverb on all of these amazing jokes so that you know how funny they are. Let's start like if the wonder twins only transformed into forms of Spanish references

form of the bucket of salsa form my tortilla or form of what about the one that always turns into water then he couldn't drink him that's what i mean he turns into he turns into water from Mexico and he's undrinked. Oh, shit. Form of dysentery. Form of bucket of Manta Zoom is revenge. Fuck. We're in a hurry because pretty much water. There's been no laughs.

What do you mean? I'm not. I just heard this for the first time. They started up by saying Spanish. And then all they do was talk about Mexico. Did you notice? Did you pick up on that? I did.

And one of the things that I wanted to talk about was, you know, they said that the, that other show Rob and Slim was nothing but toilet humor and whatever. But if listening to this one episode, it really sounds like they're racist. They spent a lot of time. Apparently, only Mexico is known for bad water and tortillas. Right. I think I think I say Jimmy Chong in there. Actually, Doug, I, not interrupt you, but I have the exact clip that backs this up because

anytime you have to say this, it means that you're saying things you shouldn't be saying. We apologize to all of our Spanish members of Not Nation. We are not racist pricks. We're just having a little fun. If you have to say you're not a racist prick, chances are you are a racist prick. So that one slipped up and made it clear that he doesn't care for homosexuals. Right. And then they all spend what, five, ten minutes talking about how they don't care for Mexicans.

I mean, I think they should be turned in for hate crimes. Right. That's what's so funny about this. These guys, it's like Robin Sliver, are douchebags. These guys are fucking assholes. They're not good people. Here's just another example of them talking about shit that an audience could not possibly care about.

Tom, shut the front door. They're opening a mose right in your house. Really? The best part is it's like almost exactly in the middle distance why so we get out there my house that's amazing hey you know what guys this right here this rambling boring conversation this could be a podcast that is the exact to why people hate podcasts getting on a show yeah and talking about hey man did you see that they're opening up a new chain

restaurant near my house? No, and who gives a shit that happens all the fucking time? It's not news. Now that is not like that. So you talk about opening a new chain restaurant, halfway between my house and your warehouse. Nobody knows where that's at. No.

It only matters to the two people that are talking. Right. Right, this is not conversations for your fucking show. And by the way, I have any point in this out. Doug, I think, was trying to get back at me for making him listen to a three hour flat earth podcast, but this podcast was an hour and 22 minutes of this fuck, I mentioned that that, quote unquote,

rant started about 45 minutes in. There is nothing going on. This guy's talking about his kitchen. He's talking about faucets. And by the way, if you spend 10 hours putting a faucet into your house, you put zero value on your time. And so I don't want to fucking listen to you because I actually have a value on my time.

And I put zero value in your ability to do anything. Yeah, no shit. I wouldn't admit that. I'm terrible. I'm not a handy person at all. But I sure shit wouldn't get on here and tell you it took me 10 hours, put a fucking faucet in the kitchen. That seems like you're pretty shitty at life. They also, so I mentioned that there's all these opportunities to just take this conversation out.

If you're talking about the mose that's near you in post production, go in and take that part out because nobody wants to hear that. And I wondered, okay, maybe he's not editing at all, but then I heard this, this is just a terrible at it. I'd be offended. Now, see, I got a disagree with you there. Even though I'm unmarried, I think it's a big mistake letting the future misses know you're handy. Did you hear that? I'm going to zoom in real quick. There. Even though I'm unmarried, I think it's a big mistake letting the future misses know your handy.

Did you hear that? I'm gonna zoom in real quick there. Even though that's a terrible, it's very easy to smooth that kind of thing out. I don't know what he edited out. I don't know why he didn't edit out a lot more. I bet it was just like a one-crutch word that he uses. He probably takes that out and just leaves the rest of the shit in. Yes, makes everyone else look like assholes and fixes themselves up. That's very likely. Let's talk about Not Nation real quick.

Oh, please do, yeah. All right. I'm curious. We listed it one episode and there are so many references to what they call their fan base, these 12 or 14 people, not nation. Yeah, and I think this will be the official tool of not nation soon enough.

I think you're the official tool of not nation. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Steve, anything you want to tell that nation about this week? Uh, it's so douchey and embarrassing. Uh, at the end, after he goes to his epic rant, he asked D rock what he wants to share with that nation. How about you, D rock? What do you want to recommend to not nation this week? And he apologizes to not nation. Uh, I'm sorry, not nation. I'm sorry to get all heated about this. But you know what? I don't appreciate being called a fag and being called a cunt.

What a faggy cunt, man. Yeah, man. Did you happen to listen to Robin Slim? Did you hear their show talking about this show? I think I did. I don't... It was just like five minutes, wasn't it? I mean, wasn't it just a quick... I don't know. I don't, it was just like five minutes, wasn't it? I mean, wasn't it just a quick?

I don't know, I couldn't find it. I listened to a little bit of Rob and so they didn't, if they, they obviously don't care about this, they didn't even put it in the description of their shows. I looked at the descriptions, there was nothing about this. So I went and listened to a little bit of a show and I don't know anything about Rob and Slim,

maybe their show's great. It was unlistenable. These guys are just like shouting. I don't know what they're talking about. The production is terrible. So I gave up. I couldn't find it. I know they did a thing on an uninvited review on our show. Oh yeah. They shit all over. Really? But it was funny. That I would listen to. Yeah. I think they called us, Strokey and Bloodclot in the morning or something. No, it's funny. I got the couple of ISOs here that,

I don't know that it works into our conversation right now, but I want to keep these on the board because this is going to be perfect for future WATPs. Is this your first time podcasting? And then this is also a perfect ISO. Big fucking deal. Good for you. Is this your first time podcasting?

Alright. I just have a couple more clips to play. Doug, you sent over something. Do you want to, uh, do you want to play a clip? Yeah, so then I think this came up at the very end of the episode and he'd probably had realized What he had done wrong and I think he wanted to apologize. Okay No, I even said in the show last week. We were probably going to lose the Robin Slim anyway I conceded that fact. So I apologize to robin slim. Congratulations.

You are the modern madness 2018 tournament winners. I offer my congratulations. I don't appreciate being called a fag and being called a cunt. It doesn't even if I was a fag. Don't come on out again. So what were you saying about shitty edits? Wow. I hope that his attorney isn't listening to this. That sounds like libel to me if I've ever heard libel before. That's him saying it. Something about don't come in his mouth again.

Oh shit. The only good part of the show happened very early on. It was this. I love the math metal as the show intro music. It doesn't fit with anything else that's going on. These fucking dorks in their basement and then they have this shredding guitar lick. Like what is where did this come from? Ah fuck that you know what I apologize. You should. You're ridiculous.

It's funny ridiculous. Oh my god my wife works on Saturdays and I went and met her after work. She goes well what were you doing today? I was listening to a fucking nerd podcast for hours. That's what I did today. You know, I'm shitty of a fucking weekend. This has been, this is all I've been doing. At this point, she can't even feel sorry for me. I'm out of it.

No, I wouldn't feel sorry for me. It is a clip that I have no idea what it is because I've labeled it nerd talk. That's all I know. When I saw the final infinity word trailer, I got fucking goose bumps You're that nerd a bunch of goddamn nerds Yeah, that's the other thing too with this whole nerd culture listen I like Star Wars as much as the next guy But this whole thing where you see a movie trailer and you get a heart on, how long were we 12? No, what is going

on? Can you just enjoy a movie when it comes out? You got to get a fucking raging boner because you saw a trailer to a movie that's going to come out. Going back to what I had said earlier, you know that the girl from Supergirl or wherever the fuck it was from coming up that it was in, she was in a sex cult, and they just brush over it. You know, that's like huge fucking news in, you know, for guys. Right.

And then get goose bumps because you see a fucking movie trailer. I mean, there was a chance that had you played your cards, right? You could have fucked this Supergirl girl. And that don't, you don't even, don't even dawn on you. Oh. Yeah, one thing they don't talk about in this show at all is pussy.

That's the one thing they will never get brought up with these fucking guys. Tucker, you a star worse fan of the not even a little bit. Not even a little bit. Okay. They do talk about how he's got this new faucet in his kitchen and it's like it doesn't fit in with the rest of the kitchen because it's so shiny and new. So they make jokes about the Star Wars special editions, which since you don't know about, I'll just say real quick.

Lucas reput out the original series with some CGI bullshit that didn't exist when he first put out the movies and it looks like garbage and everybody hates it. And these are these guys whole various jokes about it. Yeah. It's surrounded by old shit. Yeah. So now you have a special edition kitchen. That's right. It's George Lucas approved. Yeah. Yeah. And according to George Lucas, this is how the kitchen is supposed to look like. That's how it was always meant to be. That's right. Does it sing a completely different song now?

It does when I wave my hand like fast really like five times. Oh, shit. Do you wave your hand and say these are the dishes you want to wash? Yes. Well played. Awesome. Well we are nerds. And the reason why I gave that whole thing that setup is because I understand exactly the references they're making and what they're talking about. It's not fun or interesting or clever. There's nothing interesting about this show. Even if you're into nerd culture, why do they think they're different?

This is what pisses me off. We're not another nerdy podcast. We are a different type of show. Why? What? What are they doing? The title references, or I take the title to mean we are not another one. We are the one to listen to. Sure. Right? Yes. Yeah. They're the pre- Pre-Eminent nerd podcast. This is

where you got to get all of your nerd news and riveting nerd talk. And no, it's about how a fucking mose opened up and this one guy's wife likes eating it moze What? They have these fucking random these guys have no idea how to put together a conversation There's these quick like random segues like this hey D rock Yes, do you see the Johnny Valley in died? No, what was that? Today you get to see it.

I think I had truck. What? Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. Again, totally out of context, just randomly throws that out there. Do you know who Johnny Valiant is?

No. I mean either, I've never heard of this fucking person. Just say that. But your show just followed suit of their show. Yes, it's true. But to say that that Johnny Vellian died with no contacts, didn't fit in the conversation at all, didn't make any, I don't know, whatever.

It's not a very good show. I guess I'm, I guess I'm some of my piece. Yeah, they are, they are, I guess if you were going to try to give them some Tips it would be quit playing to each other and play to the audience right so Hey, what did they say? Duce rock or whatever did you see that Johnny Valiant died? Those of you that don't know Johnny Valiant was a gay porn star that I grew up loving Whatever no one can swallow more dudes' loads than Johnny Vallean.

And for that, we love him. Yeah, it makes, this is a very easy tip for all the podcasters out there who listen to this show to learn what not to do. Don't have inside jokes and conversations that bore the shit out of everybody. Talk as if somebody's listening to this for entertainment purposes. Or the first time.

Always assume that you have a first-time listener. So whoa, whoa, this is coming from Doug who starts off his show. You guys would even introduce yourselves. You guys just fucking go into it. You guys go into your shows. I was trying to track down someone saying the name Doug so I could put it in our Intro you don't say your name Anthony doesn't say your name you guys just fucking start talking and you're often Off and on even said the name of our show last

You know, but to the end of your show you know, I mentioned why you guys exist Anyway, go back to your advice for podcasters dog. Let's hear that Fuck you Carl All right, I'm officially pissed off my co-host and you know what that means. It's time for The T-Six. The T-Six T. That was it. Doug, I am going to play a clip from the show that we'll be reviewing on next week's episode of W-A-T-P.

Do you know why I do that, Doug? I think you want to give somebody a taste of endless possibility. It's exactly right here is the clip. I pledge you that loop because I can't afford the license for Hey Jude by the Beatles. And why would I play you that specific slice of anthemic mac and cheese could I afford it? Because that was the number one song in America on November 1st 1968.

And that was the day that George Ivan Morrison, aka Van Morrison, aka Van the Man, would release Astro Weeks, his second solo album, an album that defined grace and beauty, but is underpinned by desperation in murder. What the fuck is this? Yes, this is a show called Discrace Land. It is described as Music Murder Mayhem Melody, a True Crime podcast. So this is a couple of you haven't had enough of the whole true crime genre? I have, trust me, I'm fucking burn out on true crime. But this is trying to combine a couple of different genres.

It's a musical biography podcast about Van Morrison, and at the same time, there's murder involved somehow. And this fucking podcast host sounds like he's putting on a voice to make it sound more interesting than it actually is. So the last thing, their creepy guy that I would want to listen to is a true crime music podcast by somebody that can't afford the rights to use the music they're talking about. Right. So you've told me in the past, Doug, why would you present a podcast you're going to review

without even having listened to it yet? It might not be good at all and not good material for the show. This show I've actually listened to. I was listening to it this morning and that was the thing that stuck out to me more than anything. He's talking about Van Morrison, he's referencing the Beatles, he's talking about what year it is,

and the music he's playing in the background is just generic whatever nonsense loop music he could find that's free on the internet. That's the fucking worst thing you could do Do you think Van Morrison is gonna sue you if you fucking put the lick from brown-eyed girl in there just play it? Give the shit Asper forgiveness not permission. That's what we do. That's that's how we roll Or I don't I don't want you to put this episode out. Okay. Um, I am done and done. I'm glad I waste my whole weekend

I'm starting to get worried about'm glad I wasted my whole weekend. I'm starting to get worried about the not-nation showing up at me. So I don't know if you know this or not, but I also work in a Honda dealership. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. How come the Accords aren't selling there, Doug?

Let's talk about that for a while. Oh, it's because they haven't put in the incentives out yet, but I've heard from my general manager that it should be happening next Thursday. Oh, shit. I'll be stopping at the mose for lunch. I'll probably get a number two if you're interested. What's what's your favorite salsa at the mose? Because they have all those other varieties. I prefer the mild because I'm a generic bitch. Do you know what I fucking hate about mose real quick? I don't even know what the fuck Moze is. You never been to a Moze before?

No. Okay, then you're not gonna understand this at all. Moze is this fucking chain burrito place that's a lot like Chipotle, but they have three things going that don't make any sense at all. One is when you walk in, everyone who works there, I see you all welcome to Moze.

So it's just this obnoxious Walmart greeter thing that they have going. The other thing is their menu is all movie references. So if you want to get a fucking burrito, you have to ask for like earmuffs or whatever fucking comedy from the 90s or 80s thing is up in the menu. And then the other thing is they have this affinity

to rock music. And throughout the restaurant there are these pictures of rock stars. Those three things have do not relate to each other at all. It's the worst themed restaurant. If burritos weren't so goddamn delicious this place would have been out of business fucking years ago. So it is the food good? Yes it's amazing. I mean, how do you fuck up a burrito? All right, well, I guess I'll see you later then. All right.

Thank you so much for joining us, Doug. Is there anything that you want to plug? Anything you want to talk about? Who's right podcast? Oh, I was going to try to go the whole time without saying the name of our show. But yeah, come visit us over at whose right podcast calm We are less racist and have less hate towards homosexuals than not another nerdy podcast. I

Think that's very true. So please join us again next week because it might be the episode we find out once and for all Who are these podcasts? Sleep well every He more funny You get the shit you get the fuck There be no laughs! You know what I mean? What, what, what? Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa makes no sense