Who Are These Podcasts? - Ep112 - The Best Debate in the Universe

Episode Date: July 9, 2018

We finally got around to reviewing George Ouzounian's podcast. Somehow we were able to "do an hour" on just one episode. These dummies think their debate show can discuss whether or not marketing is "evil." Wow! Jen from the Jingle's Department (the hole) joins us once again. After dissecting Maddox's pod, we check in once again with Opie Radio. Spoiler - it just keeps getting more and more the same.  We finally have a hotline that you can call and leave us your voicemails. Looking forward to doing a lot more show prep... NOT! Update: thanks to @SteveTorelli for creating this artwork:   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

War these podcasts, they do a show about shows. It's hilarious, the show is hilarious. It's show time. [♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ W-A-T-P- Coming right to you, please! Hello, and welcome to another episode of Who Are These Podcasts, the only show that grows more powerful when you give into your hate. I'm your host, Carl. With me is always

as Jen from the Jingles department. Hi. Welcome back, Jen. Let your reminder listeners, you can visit us at WhoAreThese.com. You can also call the show now and leave us a voicem mail, 585-612-1388. You can email the show at whtpshowatgmail.com. We're always looking for podcast suggestions. Also, we encourage our listeners to give us a five-star review on iTunes, but then in the comment section, shit all over us, and we had someone take us up on that.

So this one came in from Cubfan Danny. Cubfan Danny says, you guys stink so bad that I had to give them five stars. I do, that's right. Thanks, thanks Danny. I think you did it right. Good job. Today we'll be reviewing a podcast called the best debate in the universe. This is a long time in the making. It was a suggestion from a listener Nick Cardendale back in October after we reviewed the DIC show. So we reviewed the DIC show. People wrote in and said, you should really go back to the biggest problem in the universe. And you should listen to the best debate in the universe. So I've done that. I went back and listened to every episode of the biggest problem in the universe.

I feel that I'm ready now to listen to Maddox's show, The Best Debate in the Universe of this confusing. Kind of. Because Maddox and Dick were on the show together doing the biggest problem in the universe. They broke off. Dick's doing the dick show. Maddox is doing this So the reason why I had you come on Jen I was gonna do this one by myself. I was gonna do a woner I thought it'd be good to get the perspective of someone who's not so heavily invested in this

I am not invested in it because I've spent so many hours listening to this podcast I thought it'd be good for you to come on and offer a perspective of someone who's just coming in cold and just listening to what Maddox has done. He's 106 episodes in at this point on the new podcast, the best debate in the universe. We both listen to the show separately. We have not discussed it beforehand. So I do want to get right into it. I thought it was interesting to know that Maddox does this show that's all about debating. And the biggest problem in the universe is all about debating different problems. Now this is the best debate in the universe and they have a topic and then they debate. He has a very thin skin for a guy whose job on the internet is to debate things with people.

This is right from the beginning of the show. Part of the reason I mentioned that you were a beautiful lovelies because last week, that's how I introduced Lauren Francesca, our guest. the beginning of the show. Part of the reason I mentioned that you were beautiful and lovely is because last week that's how I introduced Lauren Francesca, our guest, and she is beautiful and lovely. And I got this comment on YouTube, like, oh, Maddox, how come you're hitting on her so hard? And so, it's like, because I said two words at the top of a show, dipshit, that's how I hit on girls, like I say they're beautiful and lovely when I'm introducing them on a podcast. Yeah, real busted idiot.

Anyway, Ben, welcome to the show. Before he even introduces his guest, Ben Clancy, he has to yell about a random YouTube comment. I know. That's insane. That's gonna get him nowhere. That's gonna get you nowhere. The fucking comments to come out on YouTube and Twitter,

like, you're gonna fucking start addressing them each individually. Oh my God, you would never have time to do a podcast. Good luck with that. Good luck. All right, Jen, what did you think about this show, the best debate in the universe? You know, the show itself isn't terrible. This is the sound is good.

Yep. My problem was more that they weren't listening to their guest at all. Like anything that he said, I felt like they were not picking up what he was putting down. No, there was a lot of confusion. Now, I am going to be honest. I'm very confused about what marketing is. Okay.

Because so are all of them. It's a lot of different things. But. So that the real quick, this show is all about is marketing evil. That was the debate there. Well, right. And so the debate was is it evil right then tells you what marketing is they never talk about marketing again trying to talk about you trying to bring it back to right right exactly do you have a clip that you want to play that that sums us up um yes one

would be good okay uh yeah so yeah very cool. So you you used fork. Yeah. So, um, I'm amazed. Well, tell you, so this goes into unethical part. I had multiple FARC accounts all submitting articles from my website. And then like one in five or six would hit and then hundreds of people would hit the site. Wow. That's super fascinating. You picked up on something that I actually grabbed an ISO on. Wow, that's super fascinating. It's not. It's not super fascinating.

Well, the reason why this guy's talking about this is because this guy, Vin Clancy, used to be on social welfare in England, started his own business or media empire or whatever they're calling it. And now he does very well for himself. He does all these speaking engagements. And that's why he's the guest on the show because they want, he's really good at marketing

and they want to discuss this with him. He's a really good speaker. I actually found him to be really interesting. Yes, he was very interesting. What I've noticed about Maddox is that he has to make every conversation about him. He's an extreme narcissist. So this guy just brought up that I got people to

come to my website using FARC. As soon as he says the word FARC, Maddie has to make it about him. It was my job to get traffic to it. I use sites like FARC, F-A-R-K, do you remember? Yeah, FARC, yeah. I just hung out with Drew Curtis from FARC. Oh, yeah. We were friends. We got dinner a couple of, you know, three, four weeks ago and he's a really cool dude. He's writing a book with another friend of mine.

Yeah, so yeah, very cool. So you used Farak. That's so inconsequential in what we're talking about here. Maddox, we know that you're early 2000s internet celebrity, and you probably know the guy from another website. Nobody goes to anymore. It's not a big deal. Even internet celebrity? Yeah, so he had the best page in the universe. I don't know either. So I should back up and say that I'm a Maddox fan going back. I own a book that was written by this guy. I had very strong ties to him. I used to work at E-bombs World

and we are all part of this universe of the early internet boom back when you didn't have to be Google or Facebook to get people to come to your website and enjoy what you did. So I am a fan of Maddox from that and he's really changed course. He used to be a kind of a funny satirist. Now he's just this insanely angry guy who's in love with himself and thinks everyone else is an asshole on an idiot. I want to talk more about how he makes everything about him. Okay. This is the guy brings up an article that then brings up an article about a topic that got him a lot of traffic and notoriety when he first started this website. I have a I have a gay friend who

first told I should back up real quick. Vin says, you ever heard of bug chasing? Yeah, that was upsetting. And Maddox goes, no, I've never heard of bug chasing. He says, okay, well, this is when a homosexual has sex with another homosexual who's HIV positive in order to catch the bug, right? Okay. And he did an article about it

and it got a lot of people, I don't know, I'd write it, or FARC, or whatever, linking to and it got a lot of people, I don't know, I'd write it or fork or whatever, linking to it and got a lot of people to his website. So as soon as he explains what it is, Maddox again has to make it about him. I have a gay friend who first told me about this where some people, you know, their bugchase, I didn't know that phrase though, but he said that some some gay man in the community absolutely do want to be HIV positive as I for a number of different reasons like some of them want to have some kind of camaraderie I guess with with other men they they might meet or sleep with some of them It's something that they can just simply say and be out in the open about and not have to worry about

It's something that they are worried about you know, it's some of them just want to get rid of the stigma There's a lot of different reasons. Max has no idea what he's talking about there. I don't think he does either. There's a lot of different reasons. Like, you just don't want to have to worry about it. Wait, so getting HIV allows you to not have to worry about it. I would think you'd have to worry about it a lot more.

Absolutely. So this camaraderie, he's trying to come up with reasons why people would do this thing, which he wasn't tasked to do. Nobody asked him, he just said, I did this article about bug chasing and it got a lot of people, so he goes and do this thing, which he wasn't tasked to do. Nobody asked him, he just said, I did this article about bug chasing and it got a lot of people, so he goes in,

well I know someone who told me about this and I know all about it. And then he asks, Vinny's like, what do you think the reasons are for guys doing this bug chasing thing? And what have you found to be the, I mean outside of that article,

I have no experience of it. Yeah. I'm just glad we got some host and content for your adversaries. So, Vince says, I'm not here to talk about butt chasing. I'm not part of that scene at all. You asked me how I built my media empire. We did an article that got some notoriety. People started coming to the site, went viral.

That's why I brought it up in the first place. Maddox thinks that any topic that gets brought up needs to be explained for a half an hour. This show is over an hour and 45 minutes long. Oh, I know. It is so long and it covers one topic. It's marketing evil, which is a ridiculous topic. I'll get into all of that. But they barely debated marketing at all.

Well, it's insane. The best debate in the universe, I would debate that title. I would debate that. But I want to continue on real quick with, so they're talking about this bug chasing thing. And Ron Babcock, you know, I didn't even mention that this show

is hosted by Maddox with Ron Babcock, who's the first tangent officer. He's supposed to get people back on track when they get off on tangents, he does not. And junior journalist Taylor Nicoli, it's a lot better. Is that a guy or a girl? Well, since you brought that up, I have a clip on here that I literally called,

I thought Taylor was a girl. Listen to this clip. I'm not afraid to say it like I prefer video chat over phone calls because I feel like there's so many nuances that come with facial expressions. I heard that and I'm like, this has gotta be a woman. A woman, right. It's not, it's a man.

Okay, I was having trouble figuring. I was too. The gender of that voice. Right. Not that it makes that voice. Right. Not that it makes a difference. Right. And also, I mean, the name didn't help me at all.

Right, Taylor doesn't help. It's pretty gender-in-the-s. So that is a perfect example, though, of them getting off on a tangent. Taylor starts talking about how he prefers to have video chat. They're talking, this is in the middle of the marketing debate. It's just non-stop them getting off on these things that nobody cares about are totally inconsequential. But getting back to this other guy, Ron Babcock. So he's kind of the co-host of the show,

and he mixes it up and everything. Here's where he tells a joke, because he's right, he's got a good one for this bug chasing gag. That boy. You know, if you want a version of that at a much lower stakes level, just have sex with your girlfriend if she has the flu

So you can you can do that bug chasing thing you know if you have sex with someone who has the flu Well, right well if you'd like to play track two. Oh, okay It's one fucking spider. Oh hold on before you get to that. I'm sorry. I will I will get to that So I played Homer Simpson responding the way that he would respond to that. I'm sorry. I will get to that. So I played Homer Simpson responding the way that he would respond to that. This is the actual response to that joke. He's trying to make a joke, Ron is. We'll just have sex with your girlfriend if she has the flu. Oh yeah, you know, like you could just, you know, I, I, this is quick aside, but I, I tried to give the flu to a spider once. Okay. So he tries to tell a joke.

Maddisk goes, oh yeah, yeah, I guess you could do that. Interesting. No, I don't think that's what he was going for there. He just bombed, it was just a bad joke. So then Maddisk, again, making it about him, goes into this fucking story about giving the spider the flu. I think that's the clip that you have on here. Yeah.

So one fucking spider, man. This guy just like, you know, I think that's the clip that you have on here. Yeah. So one fucking spider man. This guy just like, you know, I've mentioned in the past on the show but I don't like arrogant spiders and this one seemed a little, a little hot. Like a face friend. Yeah, I didn't like this guy so I decided to cough on the spider every day when I'd go in and out of the apartment like for a week I just cough on the little guy. And did he get, did he get like sick? I couldn't tell I put my ear up to it.

This dude is fucking corny. Alright, a couple things there. First off, he says I've mentioned on the show before I don't like arrogant spiders. That's one of his stances that we're supposed to know about. Yeah. A fucking boring is that. And that story is just an unnothing story. It's pretty ridiculous.

I wouldn't tell that story if I was black out drunk at a bar for fear of boring someone to death. What is the point of that? Oh yeah, I used to cough on this spider. Good one. Did you? Did you, Maddox? Fucking idiot. I didn't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. Here's another thing. I don't believe, Maddox. I don't think that he's being honest with us. Here's one of the reasons why. He talks about how there's just started doing

a live feed of the show. We are broadcasting this live. We experimented with Elasuke as a huge head everyone loved watching the live feed, and we're doing it again this week. Everyone loved watching the live feed and we're doing it again this week. Everyone loved watching the live feed. Have you seen YouTube comments?

There's no fucking way everybody loved watching the live feed. Yeah, it's just not true. That's just not the way the internet works. He's just trying, well, especially this fan base. He's just trying to spin it to make it seem like, oh, yeah, everything that we're doing here, people love. And it's not true of any fucking podcast. Right. Just embrace it.

All right. Do we want to get into this ridiculous debate? Sure. We might as well, right? I think we should. Okay, this is the setup to that. But, Vian, as our guest is, I mean, you give you first stab at the debate. Is marketing evil? Why or why not?

Is marketing evil? Okay, this is a fucking dumb question. Well, yeah. Marketing is a function that all businesses have to take part in in order to survive. This would be like asking, is accounting evil? It's marketing, it's just marketing, it's not a good or bad thing, it's just what company have to do to build awareness That they have products and services people might want to purchase. Well, that was the reason why I like Vin Right, and he's so out of their league anyways. Oh, I'm obviously shouldn't even be there. Yeah, so he gets very annoyed But I had the difference between

morality and Economics with a huge thing that I don't think they understood No, they kept saying like but isn't that bad? Isn't that bad? What is that? What is bad? And economics was a huge thing that I don't think they understood what he was saying at all. No, they kept saying like, but isn't that bad? Isn't that bad? What is that? What is bad? What are you guys talking about? I know. Listen to how Vin answers that question I just played for you as marketing evil. And remember, this is a comedy podcast.

So basically using marketing can be a force for good. And it can change a lot of people's lives. And if it is an evil, it's a necessary one. It's a hard cast. Because marketing is everyone. The way you dress, you market yourself. Everything you're looking for is bought or sold. Really good at marketing. And that's necessary.

And it can be used for good. What do I think is gonna happen there that it's just gonna be a fucking tons of jokes coming out of this guy? He's just like, well, no, that's a ridiculous thing. It's not good or evil. Marketing is what it is. Yeah.

I don't know if I want to just continue to go or do you have anything related to that? I don't know. And then it's responses here. So you could do four. Okay. It's a very manipulative way of making a sale. And sometimes the old lady says, sure, okay, yeah, but that's how it's a very manipulative way of making a sale and sometimes the old lady says sure

Okay, yeah, but that's that's how it's spelled because like you don't like the sales not mocking Okay, I'll give you a point on that. I'll give you a point on that That's that that is just hot sales I really didn't like it though and oftentimes when it sounded like the person I was talking to was confused or didn't know what they were buying, I would make it clear to them that they were buying something, that they understood what they were doing before I went ahead and went and processed that sale, because I didn't feel right about taking their money. So that encapsulates Maddox right there,

because for one, he was talking about being a telemarketer. Yes, he's only had two jobs in his entire life One of them was working at a telemarketing company and he won't shut the fuck up about it Right and he was monitoring credit reports. Right. So that was what he was doing And so he was trying when he was just kind of saying how you know when I would call these old ladies And I'd have I tried to sit there and make it really clear if they sounded confused right and then vines as But that's sales. Yeah, no shit. That's not marketing.

I know it's called telemarketing. Maybe you got confused, dummy. But you're trying to sell something. That's a sales call. Yes. It's a cold sales call. It's a telemarketing. But it didn't go.

It's not like, he has to let you know that the new MacBook air is out and it's faster than before. Have a great day. That would be telemarketing. Actually, yes. That's not what they do. He then goes on, like, yeah, yeah, you're right. But, you know, but I just felt really terrible

about taking their money. Oh, I know. And he was talking about how great he was at telemarketing. I had the whole script memorized. He was pages and pages. Like everything's just like, okay, Max, you're the most amazing person ever.

We get it. Why is this so important to you? Especially if you're saying it like 50 to 60 times a day. Oh, all fucking podcasts long is how great it is. So he explains it the reason why I think he's on the side of marketing is evil. And he explains it's because it's manipulative. A new on start, this is a new on-s argument,

but I would say that that's a little bit different than talking about marketing itself because of the core of marketing and why I have had a problem with a lot of different forms of marketing over the years, is because some forms of marketing, not all, but some of them are just manipulative. They're very highly manipulative.

Yeah, but how stupid do you have to be, to be manipulated by an ad? Well, this is what's so crazy about it. So he talks about the fact that this manipulation takes place in marketing and that's what makes it, you know, he's implying it's deceptive or it's underhanded and he goes back to this old one over there and he keeps coming back to that thing. Every time it's just like, well, that's not what marketing is.

He keeps coming back. Yeah, but I don't like it because of the manipulation. You know what else is manipulative is having a different type of currency. When you go to a Disney world, you get the Disney box. When you go to a casino, you get chips. The whole point behind that is so that you don't put the same way down it in your mind as actual currency. Yeah.

That's a manipulation to get people to spend more money. Would you agree with that? I would agree with that. Maddox has a thing called Madbox. Oh, you could trade your fucking real money for Madbox in order to buy his t-shirts and bull crap and episodes and shit like that. This is the guy who's saying that I like market because it's manipulative.

You're selling fucking fake bullshit to people in order to get them to spend more money with your website. Why would you do that with Madbox for? Why not just take their money? I have because you can manipulate people if you convert it in a certain way you don't understand what the value is. Now all the sudden people are going to spend more money. I mean listen, it's a try and true formula. I don't have a problem with it, but don't fucking complain about something being manipulative. So he mentions that they're doing this live video feed and thankfully there is a chat room that's watching,

that's, oh, the chat room's dynamite. I got a comment in the chat room and someone said that I'm apparently marketing hot sauce right now because I didn't realize it but literally on my shirt is a Tabasco brand. I'm marketing Tabasco. But I mean, oh, I'm't realize it, but literally on my shirt is a Tabasco brand. I am marketing Tabasco. But I mean, oh, I'm so glad he fucking took a time out to talk about that comment in the chat room.

Like who cares? Yeah. Again, these guys don't understand what marketing is. They have no idea. In fact, Mattis gets so confused himself that he starts, his whole argument is that it's manipulative. Right? That's why marketing is bad.

And then he starts to think about the entertainment industry and says this. Well, the manipulation for that happens say in entertainment, you know, like special effects, that's a form of manipulation. You're trying to fool somebody into thinking that something happened that they didn't actually take place. Like Jurassic Park, for example. This guy's a fucking idiot. How is that a manipulation? It's spent like a hundred cents.

It's so stupid. It's so stupid. He's like, listen, you know, manipulation's really bad. You know, unless you're trying to fool people into thinking the dinosaurs are on the screen, they go, what? You're not even making any sense at this point, man. He's no idea what you're talking about.

He's not doing any sense. This debate was the worst debate. It was the worst debate. He goes off on what I'll call a Maddox rant. This is where he's talking about how marketing is bad because it uses these words that people latch onto like organic. Right.

So he's gonna take that ball and run with it. They market everything from, it used to be just food that was organic. Now it's linens that are organic. It's the clothes that you wear, the shoes that you have. I've seen shoes market it as organic. Why the fuck do I care if my shoes are organic? I'm walking on the fucking pavement

with like stepping on dog shit and gum that people spit out. I don't care if my shoes are organic. So, so, uh, whoa, yeah, he had a recover from those jokes that he just dropped. He had a gig a little bit to himself. So Maddox was an author, the way that he got famous and internet famous was

he wrote a blog and that blog turned into a book deal. He wrote some books, he sold some books, and he started doing podcasting a few years ago. He has talked about this on the show. I've listened to many hours of Maddox talk. He takes a long time to write articles or write his books. He gets very meticulous about the words he uses and how he writes them.

It's very obvious he's not good off the cuff. He's not a good ranter. That was the joke he came up with. I step in gum. Why do I want shoes that are good? What? That's not a fucking good rant, man. You landed nowhere with that. I also don't think he's understanding organic. Now, I don't think he's understanding a lot of things. I mean, I know organic is kind of, it is, is a catchphrase, catch words. Sure. With the shoes, it's not about him being inorganic shoes. It's about making a smaller carbon footprint.

Right. You know, things like that making like less of a footprint, but I don't think he, that's not what he was coming from. He just doesn't give shit. Well, he doesn't, he thinks that anytime you use any type of term in marketing, It is evil, which is crazy. Well, evil is a strong word. Evil is a very strong word.

Well, listen to this example of what they think is evil marketing. Like, there is a story of the people in New York who had, they worked for a company with a phone and they would ask people on New York to stop. They're like, hey, can you take a picture of me and my boyfriend and people would stop and the person taking the picture was just a random New Yorker And they'd be like oh wow this is a new phone. I haven't seen this one. And they're like oh, yeah, it's a great phone It's a And it was like this gorilla style marketing where that's love it to try and spread like a word about

Which is super nefarious a shit, but also probably really fucking effective. All right, so they had this person whose motivation, their agenda was to promote a phone, and they were saying, can you take a picture of me? And then they had a conversation about the phone. And they're like, that was super nefarious. Do they not realize that everybody has an agenda all the time that they're trying to get across?

They live in this fucking world, they're worried about that going on. Did any other fucking soccer players in a cave? They're worried about the fucking this person talking about a phone on the street who has an agenda behind it. There's real fucking problems in this world. That's other concern about. I know.

Here's another example of Maddox confusing marketing and sales. The end result of marketing, sometimes, especially manipulative marketing, is to take money from you. And that's why, it's almost like a story, a con. A whole lot of second, I gotta stop that. Especially a manipulative marketing.

I thought he said before that marketing was manipulative. Yeah. So what is manipulative marketing? Is that redundant? He's so confused with his own argument. But anyway, okay, so getting back to this whole thing. You know, it sounds like a con, where they tell you a story that convinces you

to give them money. I mean, what is a cage-free egg, really? Do you want to explain to me what a cage-free egg is? He's such a fucking idiot. He is a fucking idiot. He says, marketing is all about trying to build a fake story and can people into giving you their money. That's not what marketing is at all.

Well, that's the opposite of what marketing is. If you piss people off by selling them shit, it's not going to go well for you and your company. I know. I actually, this kind of goes back to Ron and his tangent, but it's again kind of an example of what their perception of marketing is Okay, but then if they're not giving all the information that breaking the law if they are giving me the information But they give the information away like every time I call my bank to have I fucking I fucking love this I call my bank, right? I'm kind of fired up about something. Yeah, you got a tangent coming at you

And I'm like of fired up about something. Yeah, you got a tangent coming at you. And I'm like, hey man, I have this like ATM fee. Like I didn't know my account got ATM fees. And the first thing, I go, almost, sir, when you sign up for the account, did you receive the terms and services agreement? I'm like, you mean the thing from 12 years ago? Then they always hide behind that. Like the terms and services that 30 page document

that nobody reads, and it's such a bullshit thing. It's like, yeah, we told you, no, you didn't tell us in plain English. It's 30 pages long. It was 12 years ago. Suck all the dicks, giving my 250 back. And yeah, I called them out $2.50. That's a product problem, not a marketing problem.

Oh, shit. First of all, 12 years took him to figure out there was a fee. Right. That's such a marketing problem. Holy shit. It's a whole year to figure out there's a fee. Right. That's a bullshit story. That's a bullshit story. And yeah, it is in plain English. It's a contract that they write out in English and hand to you to read. And it's not marketing.

And it's not product. It's a product. There was so much wrong with that. I couldn't... But I really... Thank God. And that's where you could tell that Vin was starting to get like Jesus. Who am I talking to here? He's in the middle of this seventh grade fucking conversation with dummies. You know, like you say, have these conversations

in the one-troom when you are 13. He'd be like, Oh, I think Monty's the root of all evil. And you know, okay, that's what these guys are doing. They're fucking idiots. But I have figured out that what Maddox has done is surrounded himself with yes people. Him and Dick didn't get along because Dick I think was too strong of a personality. Maddox needs people who just laugh at all of his jokes and think he's the greatest and look up to him as the star in the room.

That's so boring. It's so boring. But listen to this, Vin brings up an old post that Maddox put on his website years and years ago, and listen to how these people lose their shit over how funny it is. I agree. Didn't you once say the cows are happy,

they were in a big room with all their friends, they get ahead full of trucks. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, Vin, real deep old school reference. Yeah, I said that in a in a hate mail response, I think to Pete, somebody from Peter emailed me. Jows are happy. They're all hanging out.

Oh, did you hear Ron there? Wow, that was the funniest thing he had ever heard. It was fun. It was time to repeat that joke. That's what Maddox wants in his show. He wants people to go, oh my god, that blog post, you put out in 2000, do it so funny, you're so funny. I want to talk about what a self-righteous douchebag.

Maddox comes across as, he's such a smug asshole. He has to explain to us the difference between selling and selling out. So when I created my online store, people thought, oh man, Maddox is selling out. Oh, Maddox sells shirts. You guys, by the way, that's the voice he does for his fans. He's been doing it for years.

Anyone who's his fan or his friend, he goes, BOOM, he puts on this dumb voice and affect in order to really drive at home that these people are all idiots compared to him. Right. Need to understand the difference between selling and selling out. Selling is things that I'm doing on my website. I'm offering you a product for a fair price and I'm telling you what it is. What you see is what you get and I'm offering it to you for a fair price.

Selling out is compromising one's principles for money. Okay, so this is something that Madness has been talking about for a long time. As I said, I'm a fan going back to when his website was popular. He used to always say, I don't sell advertising because as soon as you have advertisers, now you have to listen to what they want you to do and it changes your integrity and all these things, right? So there he's talking about the difference between selling and selling out. Not 15 minutes later, this happens. Today's episode is brought to you by NutraFull, guys. This episode is sponsored by

NutraFull. To get your first month supply with subscription for $10, visit NutraFull.com. Guys, NutraFull is a whole new approach to healthy hair growth. Holy shit, this is a guy who's saying that he doesn't agree with marketing, he thinks it's evil. And then on that same show is selling snake oil that grows fucking hair. Could that be the most ridiculous fucking thing? Well it's such a hypocritical thing. It's crazy. It's the most hypocritical thing possible. This is a guy who's like, I don't

sell out, I'm not a sell out. And by the way, I sleep on a Casper mattress Every night you guys got to try this Casper mattress for the record Sponsors don't have a problem with it if you want to monetize what you're doing right go for it I would I would do I'm in marketing right. I'm a fan of that, but don't I think it makes sense Don't lie about it and get in your high horrors and say you're not doing it when you clearly are. Right. That's exactly what he's doing. It makes zero sense.

He used to sell when this podcast first came out. He used to sell these like designer handbags that men would walk around with. Manbag? Yeah. Like these leather manbag, so that were like 400 bucks. Yeah. So it's like, what the fuck?

Who wants this bullshit? The worst product. And here's a guy who's going, yeah, I try to con people out of their money. Not if you have a good product and people want it. I mean, if you look around here, I have a lot of shit that Apple is creating. Oh yeah.

I'm not proud of that fact. They just happen to create really good products. They market them to me and they purchase them. I'm not. I hate fucking Apple fanboys. I really just like those people. I do not want those people, but I'm a fan of the products that they put out and they market to me.

So is marketing evil, right? I'll tell you why. I'll tell you the difference between good marketing and bad marketing and why I think that some marketing is definitely evil Man is he gonna explain to me the difference between good marketing and bad marketing and why some marketing is evil So he finally goes on to talk about how to market so the proper way to market something is you offer a Consumer a product that that fits a need that they may want and then offer it to them at a fair price.

You don't try to trick them. So what you're saying is, a company that does good marketing offers good products that people want and gets them to buy them. What a fucking idiot this guy is. No shit, Sherlock! No fucking shit, Sherlock! What a fucking idiot this guy is. He has no idea what he's talking about. Marketing is all about trying to trick people out of their money. What kind of business model would that be? If you were selling bullshit like hair growth formula and trying to get people to fucking,

by the way, I looked at that website. $88 a month, you have to subscribe to this fucking thing. And Manis is offering us, because you know, the fair price thing, he's offering us $10 off your first month. So this is something that you're going to be in for fucking thousand bucks after year one. He's going to give you a $10 off of that. Sweet, thanks Manis, that's awesome.

Oh my God. You want to talk about fucking bullshit. We need to subscribe to something before you even try to. That might be a con. That is a con. It could be a con. I don't know. Maybe it grows hair.

I don't know. Disclaimer. I don't know. Maybe it's a great company and a great product. But I love that in a show that's called the best debate in the universe with the topic of is marketing evil. This happens. I'm a little confused because I feel like what's marketing?

Yeah, hold on there, Vin. Yeah, hold on there, what is marketing? Guys, can you do a little bit of fucking show prep before you show up here? But that was so far in. That was so far in and they're like, wait a second, I'm not even sure what marketing is. Well, then why are we debating it? Right. Why do they just talk to my nephew, whose 12 years old and he has chemistry if he thinks

marketing is evil? Because it would be the exact same fucking conversation that I'm listening to these assholes have. I have this fucking clip that proves that madness is a fucking idiot. So I used to have a different philosophy on money. I used to think that money, you know, they say money is the root of all evil. I no longer think that. I think that money is neutral.

Money is something you can do some good with or you can do some bad with. So, but if your goal is just to make money, then sometimes that comes at the expense of other people. Do you think that that's bad? What? Yeah. So he's talking to Vinny's trying to catch Vinny

and being incorrect about his opinion. Even though Vin's very neutral on this, he doesn't have, he's so neutral. He just explains pragmatically how the world works. He's like, it's not good or bad, it's just, it is what it is. And so then that, Maddick just framed this question, he goes,

well, some people are bad, do you think bad people are bad? Like what? Do you think bad people are bad? Well what? Do you think bad people are bad? Well, how fucking dumb is that of a question? And then, thankfully, Van responds, you'd have to be most specific with the argument, I think. Yeah. I really like that.

I would think so. I would think your question would be a little bit less ridiculous in order for someone to actually answer it. So then Madness gets into why don't take it for some reason. Well then maybe I market it like this then, so it would be accurate. I'll say this is how you have a chance to become a best seller. But I don't disclose what that chance is. What if that chance is less than 1%.

It is less than 1%. Right. Right. But I don't market it that way. I just say you have a chance to be a best seller kind of like, hey, you have a chance to be a millionaire, like the lotto's, like the lottery tickets. You think a lotto, a lotto tickets are unethical. What does it have to do with anything? Well, it has nothing to do with anything. Do you think that lottery tickets are unethical? What the fuck kind of question is that? Thankfully, then just says, well, no, people win the lottery.

They know that there's a very small chance at the win. They're purchasing a ticket. That's just how fucking gambling works. Right. You're taking a chance at something. Is it unethical? So then Maddox is just going further and further down this fucking rabbit hole that he cannot make sense of.

Ask this fucking genius question. Well, do you think that laws just by default are moral? Do you think that laws are good? Do you think that laws are good? Because they keep saying, well, what if a company lies about their products and services and then steals money out of grandma's purse and just takes it to the bank? And he goes, well, there's laws against it. You can't do that. Right. Every time they came up with a scenario that was supposed to prove that

marketing is evil, then would just say, yeah, but you actually are not allowed to do that. It's against the law. Well, okay, so what laws are good? He's like, laws are just what they are. We have to follow them. I mean, there's good laws in bed, but what the fuck are we even debating? Like, anytime he brings up anything, they're like, well, what about that? They want about this! Like, I- It's exhausting! I want you to play Traxxx, because this is the moment that Vinc realizes that his appearance is totally futile on the show. And some of the reason these people are homeless is because of alcoholism.

It's very easy to sell an alcoholic, some alcohol, especially if they're depressed. The smock has no money to buy buy than it's a bad market. No, they have enough money. I mean, they'll find they'll scrounge enough money. I'd like to bring this back to marketing. We've gone way off point hit. Yeah. Yeah, so there's matters trying to make the point. Yeah, there's matters trying to make the point that, well, you know, isn't it bad if you try to market alcohol to homeless people? No one's doing that. Nobody is doing that. Nobody is trying to market alcohol to homeless people. I've literally never seen an ad where there's some homeless guy walking down the street

holding a can of Budweiser. That would actually be amazing. If I was Miller Cours, that's the ad I would put out. Budweiser. Homeless people be here. Right. But that's not, oh God, but I love that moment because it was just like, can we get back to marketing? It's really funny because obviously, Vin is in a different league than these other idiots. At the very beginning when he first introduces him, Vin is a very weird response to Maddox.

He is beautiful, bubbly. He is an entrepreneur, a growth hacker, and a public speaker. Please welcome to the show, Vin Clancy. Vin, welcome to the show. I am much aggrieved to be here. Oh, so he says he is much aggrieved to be here. Does he have a fucking crystal ball or a time machine?

Did he know that this was gonna go fucking terribly? It was gonna suck. He must know what he was in for. He must. I do wanna get off of this topic soon, but I will just play this, Maddox. He's so brilliant that he does finally concede that there are ways that marketing can be good.

I will say this something Taylor said earlier that I think I agree with, or maybe you did, you did, Vin, which is, there are new products and services that come out and People need to know about them. I think that that's fair. Those that's a fair type of fair form of marketing It's unbelievable the S to explain that I think it's okay if you build awareness for the product or service that you're selling Do you do you think that's okay, Maddox? You got no shit. That's what we're talking about.

That's exaggerating what we're talking about. We're talking about marketing. Building awareness around a product or service that someone might want. This was an insane thing to listen to. It was making me crazy. There's this thing. I'm done with the marketing software.

Are you good? Yeah. All right, because after the debate, the show goes on for another fucking 17 hours. I checked out. I don't blame you. I don't blame you. They have a news person, tailors, the news girl for some reason. She reads a bunch of headlines that they talk about. They go off on all sorts of different things. They pay lots of fucking voice mails. So this is talking about this new Facebook group that they have. And again, this is Maddox playing this character that he's vastly more intelligent than everyone else.

And it seems like a character that he's playing, but from people who know him personally, this is just really how he is. The Maddox University Facebook group that I created, if you are a genius or a hot babe who's also a genius, you're qualified to join this group. Yuck. Yeah, that's just... what are you... what are we doing here?

I don't know. I'll start a Facebook group, but only if you're a smoking hot babe or you're a smart as I am. Or both. Like, were you going with that? What's that gonna get you in life talking like that? Well, if you're as smart as he is, you could take just about anybody. I'll tell you, yeah, no shit. I will tell you that I don't know what the numbers are as far as people listening to this

show, but the biggest problem in the universe was a very popular show. Had tons of people listening to it. Right. So Maddox started up this show along the same vein trying to get that audience to come over. And at first, I think he did a really good job. I was going back all of these shows. You can go on the website and you can vote for which person won the debate or I got the answer to the debate. I got you that part from the one from last week. Okay. So you can go back and vote on that sort of thing. So I went back and I looked at it

a recent podcast that he put out had 130 total votes. It was like it was like 70 to 60 or something like that was how it netted out. I went back to episode nine over 2000 votes. So if you just look at people participating in the show and that's's gonna be a percentage of people who listen, I'm not saying that he has 130 listeners, I'm sure it's a larger number than that, but I will say that he probably has a lot more listeners because he's on our show right now than he normally would, and that's fucking saying something.

That's surprising. Another thing that I wanna point out, I don't think this format's working, I don't think this format's working. I don't think this show is working. The one way that besides having advertisements that he tries to monetize the show is through Patreon. Okay. So he has a Patreon page.

He currently has 46 patrons making $219 per month. Probably better than we would do if we started the Patreon page. In comparison, Dick Masterson, his former co-host, has 3,810 patrons making almost $23,000 per month. Oh, good for him. Yeah. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. But I do want to point out that this fucking dummy, Maddox, just sued Patreon for $20 million. For what? And he still has a Patreon.

Oh my god. For what? For fucking nothing. The suit got thrown out with prejudice from a New York judge. Fucking nonsense lawsuit that he had. I'd like him to do the debate unnecessary lawsuits evil yeah Because that actually is are are suing fucking 10 different entities really nilly evil yes You're fucking you're fucking everybody's life you're causing that the fucking pay council and get all this shit together

These poor people this one guy losses job because of fucking at his lawsuits. Oh, jeez. It's ridiculous. Oh. And he's worried about fucking, oh, there was a guy in New York who had a phone and he was showing it to people and saying how great it was. That's terrible. Could you fucking imagine? This guy is, I don't know how, he lives in a different fucking universe. He's a balance. He's up, yes.

He's definitely off balance. I want to talk about the over the top fakeness of this show They play these voicemails that are not fun or funny or interesting and then lose their shit. Here's an example of that We got a we got a voicemail from the bad ombre Ron and it's about you. Oh, man. Oh, listen to this Hey man, what's up? Anyways, I was gonna say, run, back, back, does like, bbosal, which means like, drooling son of a bitch, and cock means penis, so you literally mean a drooling penis. I don't know, that's just how Spanish words work.

How are you when I'm drunk? How's back problem? Spanish words work. I'm sorry when I'm drunk. I was probably fed shit. I was fucking drunk and hiring him. Fuck, fuck, I am. I could tell you that with our new hotline, if you call in and say, I'm so drunk, I don't even know where I am. I will not play it on the show and then laugh hysterically at that. It's not funny.

That's not interesting. It's not good content. Getting back to how Maddox has to make everything about him. And he's always showing off how smart he is. He explains how people in this country got their last names. You'll be fascinated to know that it has to do with a profession that one of your ancestors had. Yeah, like I know I still know a lot of Smiths and that's short blacksmith and Bakers, literally not even short, but just a baker. Yeah.

Who is he explaining this to? Oh my God. Who is the audience for this show? He claims to be a genius. He brings up the fact that Smith is a popular ass name because blacksmiths used to exist. No shit, we know. And then because he has this trivial information

that he just has to start talking about how people have names in the Middle East. This makes zero sense. I'm just gonna tell you that upfront. I don't wanna bias people's opinion, but this makes fucking zero sense. And you know what's funny? There's so many more parallels in the United States

in the Western culture to the Middle Eastern culture that people don't really realize. It's basically almost the exact same thing, just like different set of values. But in the Middle East, they have the word bin means son of. So bin Laden is son of Laden. Oh, son of the son of his father, Laden. Oh, yeah. And so it's kind of a similar thing. So they, rather than naming you after your occupation, they named you after. And sometimes it was a school too. That's not even close to

the same thing. What do you mean that's a similar thing? That's not even fucking close. Remember, That's not even fucking close. Remember, this is a comedy podcast. Here's a guy who just wants to sound smart so badly. He'll throw out any piece of information that he knows. Oh, bin means son of. I got a fucking shoehorn that into this conversation. Why? We're trying to do a fucking comedy show.

You're playing voicemails to people who aren't interesting or funny. Here's another example of just a fucking terrible voicemail. I don't know why he would even play this. But this is all talking about a video game that Maddox likes. Hey Maddox, I just have some really cool information that is figured you would want to know since you think Sonic is the greatest thing ever. So my boy from the chemist and he works with

this protein called hedgehog protein. And one of the variants of it, I guess, whatever it is, is actually named after Sonic the Hedgehog. And I don't think any other video game character has a chemical named after him, or it's a protein. So no other superhero or video game character has a protein named after him. So you can settle the debate now.

Sonic is the best because he's the only one who has anything scientifically named after him. That's it. Everybody's doing great. Keep up. Um, that's it. Yeah, everybody's doing great. Keep up the great work. Fuck well. Yeah, fuck well. See you too. How cool is that shit, huh?

Sonic's got a protein named after him. I can't imagine a more boring fucking mundane thing to talk about than the fact that a protein is aimed after this fucking video game character. He had to play this 42nd-long voicemail, and then hit his little bell that he likes to hit, because he likes to show that he approves certain things, so he hits the little bell. Yeah, but the bell is really irritating. It's so fucking irritating.

And then he goes on to try to make a joke, so she says that there's a protein, and he doesn't like Mario, you know, from the Super Mario Brothers game. So listen to this fucking come joke that he tries to make. Mario protein would be gross, I think. You don't want any Mario protein. Like Italian pizza pasta. Yeah, you don't want any protein from Mario.

The joke does not land, so he tries it thrice. Manics, it's not a good joke. Move on, nobody's gonna get it. Nobody's understanding. Vin right now, he's just like, looking at the door. Oh, well, this is a perfect example of Vin going, where the fuck am I, why am I doing this? They start asking him about his diet.

And even Vin recognizes that this is not good content for a podcast. What are the foods you eat every day? For breakfast, I have eggs, avocado, peas, carrots, broccoli. You got so British near the end. Yeah. Peas, carrots, a mug of gravy. Cheese curds.

I don't think this is good content for your audience. I think this is great. I love this. Yeah. Please go on. I think this is great. I love this. Yeah, please go on. I love hearing what people eat throughout their day. I actually find it fascinating what people eat throughout their day. I could give two fine fucks what people eat throughout their day. I actually find this guy to be interesting for many other reasons besides his fucking

diet. I don't give a shit about what this guy eats But I just love that at least Vind recognizes that we're trying to do a show here guys This is not so I pulled out an ISO and because you know, Max likes his little bell I popped that in there. I definitely says good content for your audience This is not good content for your audience What he has for fucking breakfast and he goes on and on about, well, then what do you have for lunch? And then what do you have and it's like, okay, whatever.

Do you remember the pineapple story? Yeah. This is so great. I'm gonna play this clip. They talk about the enzymes in pineapple are bad for your skin or organs or something. I don't know. Well, it eats the way it your skin.

It's a at your skin So Maddox being this fucking ridiculous narcissist can't just say oh, yeah, I know that or I've heard that or whatever He has to tell a fucking boring ass story Yeah, but you know the the enzymes in pineapple literally eat your flesh Yeah, it's weird that they sell that in the shops So I realized this as a kid one day, because I was eating a shit ton of pineapple. And like my parents, you know, there's a fucking pineapple, so I'm carving this thing up and just eating the giant fucking slice

of pineapple fresh. And after like an hour of gorging on this pineapple, eating a full pineapple by myself, my mouth started to like burn. That's fascinating, please go on. What the fuck, how to story was that? My parents is handing me a pineapple, and just let me fucking go have that.

So I just started eating this pineapple. Maddox, not everything you've done in your life is extreme and interesting. No. This guy thinks that everything that fucking he talks about is compelling. And then I got a canker sore. Then I got a canker, like dude, who gives this shit?

You're not a fucking interesting person. When you were a kid, you were a fucking boring person. You had a little bit of a window of time when you wrote some good content, people liked it, you sold some books, those days have passed. When you were a kid, you were boring as a middle-aged adult, you're fucking boring. Just, I don't understand what this guy is going for

with this show and all this fucking anecdotes. Again, there's another example of an anecdote. Vim talks about being backstage at a Green Day concert. So Maddox has to make it about him because he was once backstage with Velvet Revolver. A lot of bands, a lot of bands are kinda like that. I went to the backstage of, what's that band, Velvet Revolver.

Oh, nice. Yeah, I went to the backstage of, what's that band, Velvet Revolver. Oh, nice. Yeah. I went backstage and the lead singer, like, came out on stage and he was like, so rock and roll on stage. He's like holding a microphone into a megaphone and it's just pure feedback. And slash was on stage and he was drooling into the audience and everyone was like, so fucking rock and roll and like hip and cool. I go backstage and the lead singer I forget I don't know his name. He has built the name of the lead singer of Velvet Revolver. I was cringing the entire Asic Maddox. Velvet Revolver is nothing. The Velvet Revolver had one bad album and existed for 13 minutes. You don't know who the singer is? That's your reason to know what Velvet Revolver is. It's fucking Skywildin.

That's why Velvet Revolver was even a thing. Because they're singer. Did you happen to clip the rest of that though? No, I did. I had enough of that shit. Because then, Because then he didn't know that he died of an overdose. Right.

Which is pretty common fucking knowledge. And he's like, he's a gay man. This fucking guy, you know, he's acting out a hardcore, and then backstage he's drinking no duels. And then somebody's like, he guy, you know, he's, he's acting all hardcore and then backstage he's drinking in no duels. And then like, so he's like, he died, you know, of overdose. Yeah, he's dead. Yeah, like, what the fuck world do you live in?

I'm not gonna know that. Yeah, he's making fun of this guy. Yeah, this singer is all rockin' roll. Yeah, of course he is. He's the fucking singer of STP, he's very fucking rockin' roll. Sure was. No shit, and then he goes, yeah, backstage he was a fucking bust. I'm like, well, he was an heroin addict who had a problem and eventually died of an OD like well, do you not?

Why wouldn't he cut that part out of the show? Well, that's Maddox is known for editing him sound like an idiot All the old shows he tried to copyright the name of the old show the biggest problem in the universe He lost The old shows, he tried to copyright the name of the old show, the biggest problem in the universe. He lost. He wasn't able to obtain the copyright. So what Dick Masterson has been doing

is putting out the old episodes that were before Maddox was able to edit them. And now there's people, it's crazy. And now there's people, there's this one guy, there's this one guy who goes in and finds what the differences are and then plays for everybody what Maddox took out and it's all shit that makes him sound like an idiot.

It's so fucking funny. So that was a point where you don't know what Scott Wion is and you're bragging about being backstage at a Vell over concert. That'd be a perfect point. They just take right out of your hour and 46 minute long fucking bore fest of a pod. That would have been a perfect thing to take out.

All right, I just, couple more things that I wanna get to and it really just relates to, this is all the shit near the end of the show, where it's just again, he has to make everything about him. They talk about the person's diet and they talk about spinach. You would think that the word spinach could just come and go in a conversation,

you wouldn't have to make a whole fucking thing about it. Not with Maddox. Spinach, I've made the argument for years that spinach is a very neutral tasting leafy vegetable. How insufferable is this guy to fucking hang out with? I've made this argument for years that spinach is a neutral tasting leafy vegetable. It's like, that's not an argument.

Who's arguing with him about this? Who's arguing about this? Who gives a shit? Who gives a shit? So this starts off an entire fucking series that I have here about how he had approved to his fucking dumb idiot friends that Spinach is a neutral flavored vegetable because his friends are so fucking stupid.

They don't even know, and they don't even understand. So this is setting up that experiment that he did. If they I told some of my friends that I use spinach. Gross, unugly dead. Oh, you don't know how to cook. You're a fucking idiot. And so none of us talk to you like that. These are literally we're all like, oh, this is great. Things are making this man. That's so funny. That finally fucking the Yes Man Ron speaks up and just goes, nobody is calling you an asshole. Why do you have this perception that everyone's calling you an asshole and they're all just fucking mouth-breaters Who are not up to your fucking level and you have to educate us right and teach us a lesson all the fucking time so this is Madness going into

His whole story about how he made these cookies with spinach to prove that he was right. And again, just a random fact that he has to fucking put out there. But I made these spinach cookies and everyone was like, oh man, totally gross, I could keep you spinach. I'm like, no, you fucking can't because that's why they use spinach to color postas. Check out the big brain on bread. You're a smart motherfucker, that's right. You just can't help himself. He has to explain everything.

A little piece of fucking knowledge that he's picked up. He wants to be right so badly. Listen to what he did. So I even went so far as to try to trick my friends one time. So I was buying cookies to make for like a super, little mischievous bastard. So I bought a bag of spinach, but I also bought green food coloring. So he goes on to explain that he's going to conduct a social experiment to prove that his friends are fucking morons. And what he says is he bakes these green cookies because I don't know if you know this, but I'm a real good baker. He said that for real. He wasn't joking. No, I heard.

So he explains that he's gonna bake these green cookies using spinach to prove to his friends that it's a neutral flavored vegetable, because that's a really important thing to get across to people. Not how much you want to bet on the fucking Super Bowl. No, I'm gonna spend all my time planning and scheming to prove my friends or idiots.

And the amazing thing is that he says, I bought green food coloring, because apparently he, like probably walked out and went see, this is why they're green. I have the food coloring right here. He probably poured a little bit out, so it would look like it'd be used. Like what the fuck are you doing?

Nobody's questioning you. Just bake the cookies. If we like it, we'll eat them. If not, we'll fuck it throw them out. Well, just Seinfeld, Jerry Seinfeld's wife. Yes. Put out an entire cookbook out on how to bait vegetables into things for kids so they'll eat them. Yeah, this is not a new concept. So they're not detectable. There's books on it. Well, when you add a bunch of sugar and shit to food, it makes it taste good. And I like spinach as much as the next guy. But I don't think

that his friends were really Thinking that a spinach being in a fucking cookie would make a taste terrible But anyway, this is the exciting conclusion. So I made these cookies with spinach They were devoured at the Super Bowl party now to single fucking idiot said oh The spinach in this tastes a little weird. It didn't taste weird idiots. Guess you try my spinach cookies are great. Um, again, his friends are idiots. I kind of believe that's probably true.

They have to be. He says that his friends are idiots and that all of his fans and the people who listen to the show are idiots. He's made this very clear. Do you know that things that are like a track to each other? If you have nothing but friends and fans who are idiots, it's probably because you yourself are a fucking idiot. Man, this is a moron, and I don't think he understands that.

I don't think he's grasping this concept that he's not a smart person. Again, making it about, you're starting to feel bad. Well, that's just so mean. But he's a fucking douche-stab-re so mean. But is a fucking douche to everyone. He isn't douche to everyone. He tried to sue Dick Masterson for $20 million. He said, that's all. Now, you can go fuck himself.

We're an idiot because that's just ridiculous. Maybe I'm an asshole because I'm gonna get sued and that's gonna be a problem. I should put out a disclaimer right now. This show is actually probably pretty good. And the views that we're expressing are just one particular observation and you know, our opinions are meaningless. I wouldn't take it to hire. It's fine. You guys are doing a great job.

Can I mention what they do really well on this podcast? Sure. Real quick. I like that it has really good formatting. They get the guest in, they talk about the guests in their background, they get into the debate. That's the next segment. Then they get into, okay, we're going to do some voicemails and they go into the new segment, they have a little stinger, they get some into the new segment. Okay, I liked that. That's how a podcast should be, it should move along and not just be a fucking random conversation between fucking idiots like OP radio, which will be playing in a little bit. The latest from OP radio, I know. I know know it's a beautiful day I've got this dragon added on.

All right real quick this is again, Adam Kroll is named it's brought up and Maddox has to make this about him. Yeah so there was an episode of Sex and the City a long time ago where they're Jesus who are you? I know I said in the past I like Sex and the City. Sorry guys. Adam Crowley the Chico. Adam Crolley is a passionate fan of Sex and the City. Smart man like Sex and the City.

Me and Adam Crowley. I was on Adam Crowley's show full disclosure. Not too long ago. Adam's, we have a lot in common. We have a lot of our floppy. I shared the same birthday as him. Holy shit. Who gives a shit?

Who gives a fuck? Who's listening to the show? Who is this for? I was on Adam Crowley's show. I had the same birthday as Adam Crowley. Okay, well, I once saw his penis. Like, who cares? What are we talking about? I think you're checking out like Viv at this point. I am so checking out, I'm sorry. You're so checking out, Abbey.

I have a clip on here with his Maddox laughing at himself. He does that a lot. He does that a lot. Anytime he gets any kind of reaction, it cracks him up what he just said. You remember that old website, hot or not? They should have one like God or not. That's Maddox laughing at his own joke that he just told. I know what was the joke.

Instead of hot or not, it would be God or not. This is Taylor's big cause. Taylor feels very strongly about the big bang theory. Very often the people who say big bang theory sucks have never watched an episode. They're going on Reddit or these other social media platforms and they're being told that it sucks by other people but they've never actually watched it. I would like to know if that caller

and feel free to call and again, I would like to know how many episodes of the Big Bang Theory you watched before you decided that it sucked. Do you know how many episodes you have to watch of the Big Bang Theory to determine whether it sucks or not? Point one. I was flipping to the channels.

I caught a scene of that show and I can tell you it is absolute garbage. And I don't know why Taylor is trying to defend this thing. People who don't like Big Bang Theory, they've never watched it. They don't have to. I'm here to tell you right now. It's very poorly written. It is garbage. It's pretty basic.

It's very basic. The last thing I'm It's pretty basic. It's very basic. The last thing I'm going to point out, and then we'll move on, we'll talk about the latest from OP Radio, the latest installment with the OP Radio podcast, is, at the end of the show, he's got this super fucking cheesy radio production that comes out of nowhere, and this is the opposite of what podcasting is.

Hey there. Don't forget to subscribe to Madcast Shows on iTunes, Stitcher, or your favorite podcast ad. Okay, bye. This is Madcast Media Network. Did I just fucking turn on my FM stereo just now? Where did they come from? And I should probably point this out because I'll be, I'll look like a hypocrite.

The reason why we have the stinger for our teaser segment is because we were making fun of the shows that do exactly that. So I put this together. The teaser. The teaser. The teaser. The teaser.

The teaser. The teaser. The teaser. The teaser. The teaser. The teaser. Because that's literally what they do on the App-M radio. They just pull a bunch of fucking random nonsense

into fucking pro tools and just will pan this to the right and this to the left. We'll have some fucking self-park reference in there and it's just why? Why does any of this exist? It's not fun or interesting. Jen, you are really ready to move on. I apologize that we're gonna move on to OP radio. It's such a bummer. I will tell you that it took me a little bit longer to get prepared for the show than it usually does. We're recording a day later, and there's a very good reason for that, Jen. It's because I've had...

Hey, hey, I've got it worth cup of beer. She, she, she's got it worth cup of beer. I, I, I've I got it work up fever Pea-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e- Alright, OP radio, we listen to you episode 18, it's called right where we left off, yeah! I hate that so much! I hate it so much! It starts off with the Westwood One Guy telling us that OP is going to tell us some information from whatever Beach Home he has, you know, whatever fucking place I'm Long Island. That's very relatable to the people.

Very relatable. This multi-millionaire who makes fart jokes is now going to tell you about how, you know, getting fired from Sirius XM was a bummer. So this is how the show starts off. Here's OP with a couple of thoughts. Oh shit, you know what, Jen? I put together a fucking OP Stinger. I can't get into this yet.

Well, let's hear it. I promise I would have an OP Stingeringer that introduces our Opie radio segment. So this is the debut of our beautiful idol. I know, the anticipation is nuts. It's pretty oscillated, I'm not. All right, here's the new Opie Stinger. Opie radio. The OP radio podcast All right, let's get into it

Opio audio introducing opio the beach Here's opi with a couple of thoughts on a remote beach on long Island What's going on, everybody? I don't know if you were listening to this in stereo. For some reason he's got some weird stereo mic setup. So his voice keeps going left to right and right to left. It's all very bizarre. And you heard how wild the ocean was with it splashing up on the shore.

When we did a segment with Kevin on OP, he didn't think that they were actually in the bar. He's like, they must have just put that in in post. And I've seen pictures of them set up at Gebhard, so I know that they actually are in a bar. I don't know these actually at the ocean. It's like they have fucking two bikes on the ocean and one near OP's face. It doesn't sound like this is the mix you would get if you were truly on the ocean. But this is OP talking about getting let go from serious not gonna lie to you. It was devastating I was really really bummed out really really depressed I really wasn't sure what I wanted to do

After that happened I was very very surprised. I was let go by serious exam extremely surprised He was extremely surprised, right after that, he says this. And wow, did that come out of nowhere. It came out of nowhere. This was a guy who had the channel named after him. It was called OP radio on Sirius XM. Then they changed the name to. Yeah. Then they took him off the morning show and put him in the afternoons against his will. He did not want to leave mornings. Now being a comedy disc jockey, it's all about the morning drive. If you're out in the morning,

that's the sweet spot. That's where you get the listeners. That's where you make the money. When they put you off into afternoons, you're fucking nobody's listening to that. He was shocked that he was fired from serious ex-sam. He didn't see the fucking writing out of the wall. He thought you just videotape his co-worker shitting and not get fired. They didn't care about him anymore. Your name has been stripped off the channel. You're not even out in the mornings anymore. A guy named Sam Roberts is a better broadcaster than you in the Isom series like Sam. It's fucking pathetic. It's not good.

So finally, finally, OP decides. By my fuck you, Sam. You've had multiple opportunities to talk about WATP and you keep fucking changing the subject because you don't want to piss anybody off. Real compelling radio asshole. Keep talking about fucking wrestling. Keep your having conversations with wrestlers who have been popular in 20 years.

That's what the fucking fans want. Let's, let's, what does X-Pock put up too? Could we talk about that? You fucking idiot. All right, this is, uh, this is finally OP getting real. We talked about what could OP be talking about that we'd be interested in?

Well, I know, and I said I would like to hear about this. Right, because he got fired, and he had this gang that was high profile, and then he gets fired, like, what did he go through? So he's finally ready to get real, and then this fucking happens. I was in a tough spot, man. I didn't know what to do with myself a year ago. All I know is radio. And a lot of offers did come in, but nothing that was worth taking.

God damn, you should see what just ran by. Nice. Real nice. Anyway. He's such a pig. As the show's official whole, Jen from the Jinguist Department, what did you think about that? It's disturbing, listen, this fucking growing out thing that he does, I'm a guy, I'm like, dude, come on, what the fuck are you doing?

Real people don't do that. No, they don't, they don't gawk at girls, they don't look at those tasties. They don't stop their fucking sincere part of their broadcast While walking across the beach with some fucking ridiculous equipment, but I would expect that kind of behavior out of maybe somebody who's 17. Yeah, he's in his 50s. He's in his mid to late 50s this man. That just makes it gross. It's just really gross Yeah, he has kids and he's fucking gawking at some chicky fine detractive like dude. The state or the mind shit is ridiculous anyway. It's like just just talking about stuff that I can relate to. I don't see that fucking chick on the beach.

What are we doing? I'm gonna get into the show now. So the reason why it's called right where we left off, yeah, is because it really is. With a lot of ease, is because this is the first time, this is episode 18, this is the first time they've gotten all the guys back together. And he keeps talking about, we got Vic Henley, we got Shuroud Small, we got Carl Ruiz, we got the Obster, all four of us, the people who are on that amazing afternoon show, the known list of two on series next time a year later, we we're back baby, this is still open on the beach, talking about what made the show so great when it was on Series XM and how much funny was having.

And I could honestly say there was a whole bunch of years in there, I absolutely wasn't enjoying myself. But why I was so devastated when they let me go, was the fact that I was really, really enjoying myself again with the new version of the radio show I put together with Carl Ruez, Sherrod, Vic Henley, and a few of the other guys. And I knew that radio show was working. One of the reasons I was working was because we didn't take it seriously. We all just like hanging out with each other, like laughing with each other,

like hanging out with each other. We would hang outside the building at Series 6M after those shows and do another hour on the sidewalk. We just really, really enjoyed each other's company. Alright, this fucking guy sounds like he's out of breath. Talking. But there's a couple of things in there that I really want to point out. So he says, we didn't take it very seriously. Yeah, no shit.

Yeah. You obviously didn't take it very seriously. There's no show prep involved whatsoever. You're thinking you can just like have a conversation for three hours and that's going to be compelling and interesting for people. But the thing that pisses me off about that clip is he says, we got along so well,

we would go after the show, we'd go downstairs on the sidewalk and do another hour He says do another hour right having a fucking mundane conversation with your friends is not doing an hour No, it's not he's like relating it to a stand-up set Oh, how much time did you do I did an hour? What did you do? I had a conversation with my friends like you're not every fucking thing You say and do is interesting especially if you're fucking Greg Hughes. Well, yeah. Are you seeing a fucking pattern here between Maddox and Opi?

They like the same person. Yeah. They think everything they say is compelling and interesting and that they can just go on with no prep and fucking debate marketing. They don't even know what marketing is or they can just go into a fucking bar and shoot the shit with their friends about nothing and do a two hour long podcast and people will be interested in it. It's crazy. I think the owner of that bar is probably having second thoughts about this whole idea.

Well, I don't know. He's getting a lot of promotion out of it. Oh, come down to 72nd Street where it get hard. Are ya? Because I'm in Rochester, New York. All right. I'll be right there. All right.

So then he talks about why he took him so long to get the podcast going. A lot of people said why did you wait so long to get a podcast going? I just needed time to get my shit together. I just needed time to be set. I needed time to start looking at what's really important in life and certainly radio is important to me, but I can't have it to find me anymore and be the only thing. So this is what I don't understand. He took a year off after he got fired in order to find himself. You know what he could have done in that time? Maybe I don't know an hour or two a week.

Come up with a new show format. Something that might be interesting and compelling. He comes back after a year of doing nothing and is celebrating the fact that we're doing the exact same thing we were doing a year ago with the exact same people, then nobody cared about that. It's like, Opie, you just got fired. Maybe she'll come to Jesus moment and say, what I'm doing is not working. I need to do something different.

Nope, not Opie. He goes, I need a year to find myself. Now I've found myself and I'm back to doing the exact same thing I've always done. That's what he was doing. So he found himself doing the same thing. Alright, so he says that they don't take themselves very seriously. That's why the show was so great. And the show, after he introduces it, they're live at Gephard's and this gets off to a terrible start.

And here we are, man. after he introduces it, they're live at Gephars and this gets off to a terrible start. And here we are, man. This is the first time all four of us are, oh my goodness. You see that machine. Welcome home, baby. Who is that? The rod. Don't worry about that.

I love that you would tie me in there and I can't ask questions. Let's just put it this way. Shroud's showing me a nude on the It's Y'all cause. She's clean like a Barbie doll cause. Thank you. Thank you. That's so disgusting.

Well, it's also just the most boring thing. He's just starting the show and Sharad's like, hey, check out this trick on my phone. You're like, okay, is this what you guys think of fucking podcast is? Like, looking at things and talking about them? It's like they're trying to fail. I think he's fucking trying to be has to be.

He can't think this is compelling content for anyone. So then they start talking about, because you know Pete Davidson was at OP show for a while, he would be a regular guest on there. So they start talking about Pete Davidson and Ariana Grande. Right. Okay. So that's the setup to what is a fucking terrible joke. Something else. Now my girl's daughter now wants to go to the wedding. Oh, she's going to be the only wedding with a fancy house. She's going to be the only wedding with a fucking bouncy house

What was that Shorod goes it's gonna be the only wedding with a bouncy house and they all just lose their shit Yeah, like it was the funniest fucking joke anyone's ever heard I don't even get it It's because the daughter was gonna go or is it because they're both young or alluded to the fact that's cuz they're so young did you listen to the show? No, oh, I thought you were actually dropping some canola. John me right there. I know. I was just what they just said. I couldn't listen to it. Oh my god. I don't blame you.

That is the type of joke on this show that registers as a 10. And it's sad. It's sad because Opie and Anthony used to be so funny. I know. That fucking show actually had real jokes with legitimate laughter. Oh, I listened to that show every morning. I loved it. Opie is so delusional. with legitimate laughter. Oh, I listened to that show every morning. I loved it. OP is so delusional.

Remember that show that I did where he was at the Big Apple Barbecue Fast? And he's gotten one microphone and he's there with Karuaz and they're interviewing these Hicks from Mississippi. And the entire fucking show was just someone yelling something out and then OP goes, what was that?

What did you say? And then pointing the mic at him so we could repeat the joke again. Nothing was spontaneous. It was all just, oh wait going what what was that what did you say and then pointing the mic at him so we could repeat the joke again nothing was spontaneous it was all just oh wait say what you just said again because we didn't pick it up right and it wasn't funny anyway so this is him talking about what happened during that uh that barbecue fast where his equipment fucked up uh i showed a way to plastic bag with supportable podcast equipment that didn't work by the way I lost 40 killer minutes How could anyone believe you hope we have heard that show it was fucking garbage for beginning to end You're telling me the only part that was good was the part that didn't get recorded 40 killer minutes

And I give credit to Carl Because Carl fucking puts them in his place. He's a little bit more realistic about it That's probably debatable for him. So this is new stuff. Carl? Yeah. I know he wants to make fun, but where we crushing and then I had to call you the next day and go, uh, cause we only got half that shit.

And then I was, and then I put my phone on to capture some of it. Yeah. We missed it. I mean, I wouldn't say crushing. Thank you. Thank you, Carl. I wouldn't say crushing. Yeah, I highly doubt you say crushing. Thank you. Thank you, Cara. I wouldn't say crushing.

Yeah, I highly doubt you were crushing. You were talking to people about fucking making coleslaw. How crushing could that possibly fucking be? I don't know, but it's so chaotic to listen. There's so much talking over each other. So they get the four of them together again, and that's all they do is talk over each other. Well, when they're not name-dropping, which is the other thing these fucking guys love to do. I want you to tell

maybe if you can how John Mayer had you come over to help him teach at least your keys how to write a segue. Like okay we get it. You guys know fucking famous people. Jesus Christ, non-stop on the show. That's all they talk about. So that was Vic Henley talking. I ragged on Vic a little bit when we first introduced OP Radio on the show. I got a message from someone on our Facebook page

that sent me a screen capture from Google that Vic Henley's worth $3 million. Okay. And that was it. So I'm guessing the point was, you think you're so great. Vic Henley is fucking awesome. He's worth $3 million. I think that's how I interpret it anyway.

They're sticking up for Vic Henley. I don't fucking get this guy at all. I've never heard of anything funny. Listen to this clip where Vic just has to fucking repeat the joke. They're talking about when you go into a restaurant, they'll bring the raw steaks out and you can look at them and determine which one you want or what you're gonna get.

And they talk about this, you know, it's all about how they marble. Right. Right. This joke comes out and Vic doesn't even tell the joke, but he fucking loves it. Dad, but you don't know what you're looking at. You're like, yeah, I don't know.

I'm up for marbles. There's no marbling in kale. He was so easy. He was so easy. He was right there. He was right there. I couldn't see. That's a goddamn thing.

That was all the flavor. That's a fucking t-shirt. That's not a t-shirt. That's not a t-shirt. What the fuck was that? He like was his shit over it. There's no marbling in kale is a t-shirt? Who would wear that t-shirt? I don't think anybody would know what the fuck they're talking about if somebody wore that t-shirt. I sure a shit don't know what the fuck they're talking about. So this is another clip with Vic Henley

Just I don't understand what his appeal is it all I get so excited because he knows what somebody's talking about And I talked about the time. They once got molested by some dude who was giving him money and stuff I haven't totally know that story. Did you hear how fucking crazy he got right there? What the fuck okay? don't know that shit. What the fuck? Okay, good. You know that story. I don't know that shit. Whatever.

I don't know what he was so excited about. It wasn't even an interesting story. This is funny. So Opie was fired. And he had these guys on his show on Series XM. And they were making some kind of paycheck. They're making money on it. Opie explains that, yeah, I know you guys say that I was the one fired but we were all fired

and listen now this backfire is how to- We got fired by proxy. Yeah. Well you guys aren't really allowed back right? No I went back I did the stern after that. I'm in back on Bennington. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

Well he's like yeah they don't want any of us in there right? He's like no just you. You're the guy who was fucking filming a coworker, taking a shit. You're the person that I'm not back. We all go back to every fucking day. It's not a big deal. But I thought that was hilarious.

I did a start-up show. I was out batting ten. It's fucking great. Now it's time for rehash time. We're gonna get back into the shit we've already heard because he already talked about the shaman and all that fucking nonsense. So here we go again.

I should say we're right on the sidewalk at 76 straight. This great beer culture place called Kepp Hearts. But anyway, you know, got a little weird F. We gotta let go. I was wandering and trying to figure shit out and I do some meditation and yoga and shaman. And then my wife said, you know, I know the shaman guy.

And I do like his wife. Oh my God. You like his wife? Stop my god. Can't wait. Stop talking. Whatever. This is kind of funny because Opie, he hear all the way, like, shaman, they wanted him to tell the shaman story.

So again, I give Carl tons of credit. I don't know how long he's gonna fucking last with these guys. I don't know why he hangs out with them. But listen to what Carl says here. He built up. He already did heroin. Oh, I'll get some. I'm sorry.

I'm bad. He built a smoke of cigarette. I heard his thing. All right, he built this. He goes, I'll get down to the shower. He built a cigarette. I heard his thing. Alright, he built this. Because I'm gonna go smoke a cigarette. I've heard this fucking story. You're doing a podcast. I'm not even compelling enough for the people who are broadcasting with you to listen to it. They would rather just go smoke a cigarette somewhere. I'm with him. This is a question I have

for you, John. So he's explaining the shaman thing. And I'm not going to get into it again. But he's explain. I'm a little bit. He's explaining the shaman thing, and I'm not gonna get into it again, but he's explain, I'm a little bad. He's explaining the shaman thing again. And I just think he's a liar, because this doesn't make any sense. And he goes, all right, you ready? And I'm like ready for what? Here we go.

He's like, the he's a plant that I'm gonna blow up your nose has healing properties. I'm in, so far. You still in? I'm still in. And we're in deep meditation, I'm in so far. You still live. I'm still in. And we're in deep meditation. I'm like, I already did. They seem like they've muddled the plants up. Yes.

Did you hear that? Yeah. He goes, The shaman says, I'm going to blow these plants up your nose. Right? This is part of the healing process. He goes, we were in deep meditation at that point. Can you have a conversation with someone

when you're in deep meditation? Well, I don't know. I don't think so. But I don't go into deep meditation at that point. Can you have a conversation with someone when you're in deep meditation? Well, I don't know. I don't think so. But I don't go into deep meditation, but I'm pretty sure it needs to be like, come and tranquil. Yeah. Not having a conversation where I'll be like, so I'm like, I don't know man, what is this stuff?

And he's like, yeah, you gotta try it. That's not meditation. Does he ever figure out what it is or is he still convinced his heroin? Oh, so this is great. So, Opie knows it's not heroine. Of course not. He even mentions in this that there was tobacco in there.

And he sees the guy grind up the plants in front of him. So he knows that's not how heroine is made. Dussy. But that's the joke. He's like, I thought I did heroine. Remember from our show before? I remember, I remember. I remember.

That that was his big joke. Yep. I put together a quick compilation of how many times this joke gets fucking rehashed by him and Vic Henley. They just think this is the funniest fucking thing. This is nonsense. I can't believe that on two different podcasts, they've told this joke 80 times now.

He's up down he did heroin. He told me two days later, I think I did heroin. He's like, I think I did this in heroin. Am I doing heroin? Never done heroin. I have one heroin. But then I'm thinking is this Howard, how like another way to get someone hooked on something? You and I think I just I think some fucking just got a heroin in my face. Oh my god. This is just nonstop with this. We know you didn't do heroin. It's not a funny fucking joke. Right. And there's lots of cultures where you do ingest plans like Ioska.

I think it's like what you said what it's called. Yeah I think you're right Ioska. Yeah and you have you know hallucinations that is supposed to elevate your mind. Right. And pretty sure heroin's not on that list. Heroin would not be on that list. So it's so fucking ridiculous and Vic loves that joke more than anyone. He's like oh he thought you did heroin. He told me he thought you than anyone. He's like, oh, he's not your heroine.

Now, he told me he's not your heroine. He told everyone that we've heard this. This already happened. That's not my type of humor. I know. It's not anyone's type of humor. I mean, some people must like him if he's worth $3 million. These were $3 million. But it's just not my... I think he opens for good comedians. I think that's how he makes money. This is OP then explaining and again, I just don't believe these stories because they don't add up. This is OP explaining what happened to him after he snorted this stuff when the shaman came over, okay? I'm sick like I have the flu for the next two days just, you know, often on dry heaving and I finally like, it was like a

horrendous hangover and then two days later I'm finally sort of back to normal. He starts vomiting immediately after getting the stuff snored you know blown up his nose. Okay. He's vomiting all over the place and he explains it was like hangover. I was dry heating for the next two days like I had the flu. Sounds fucking miserable right? Yeah it sounds terrible. Is there anything about that you'd be like oh okay well that probably worked then and then he says this.

My. It was so fucked up that I did it a second time. You did it twice? It did it twice. That's what he's fucking like. I mean, he's exaggerating, right? Is that what he's, he must be exaggerating to a point that's ridiculous?

Why would you do that twice if you got the flu for three days? Well, he's a well-known exaggerator. He is. Yeah. So I would guess he's probably exaggerating. Oh, I'm, I am calling bullshit on all of that It doesn't make any sense and the fact that yes, I keep going back to this fucking well of the shaman story

I mean how many more fucking episodes are we talking about the fucking shaman and how we thought he did heroin a lot more about I bet anyway That is That's our opi radio segment For this week. Are we done the sweet release? Oh god, that's our OP radio segment for this week. Are we done? The sweet relief. Oh god, that's rough.

That is rough, I know. Let's get right to the most important part of our show. And that is... The teaser. The teaser. The teaser. The teaser. The teaser.

The teaser. The teaser. The teaser. The teaser. All right, this is the part of the show where we play a clip from the podcast. We'll be reviewing next week. I think I might be the only podcaster who has to figure out what he's going to do fucking next week before he does this week.

It's called Show Prep. Yeah, it's called Show Prep. The podcast I listen to, they do none of that. So I'm like impressed with myself, all of a sudden. It's not that impressive. I did get a no from Jackie who's said the Stuttering John podcast after the one where he talked about us.

He spent the entire time panning himself on the back and name-dropping all the people who said how amazing he is. And I would love to go into that. I just, we don't have time. There's just too much going on. I can't be the fucking OP radio, Stuttering John, random. It's just not a fucking time.

Unless you rebrand a segment and start alternating or something. That's not a bad idea. The OP Stuttering, Stuttering, the OP and the John show. That is strangely works. I really wouldn't listen to. All right, so here is a segment from the podcast that we'll be reviewing next week

This has come in from multiple people who have told us that we need to do a review of this podcast I was resisting it, but now I'm ready Benjamin gets all the credit in the world for helping me figure this out We're actually on my Mac now and we are attempting to do a show on really just simply on Howard's Riker O'Hull of Fame speech and the subsequent bullshit that came about after the speech was played. I don't know how you guys want to work this.

I know I have a bunch of these lead-up clips or afterwards clips, Johnny. This is a show called radio gunk. It is a podcast about the Howard Stern show. They have tons of episodes. They have hours and hours of content. They hate Howard Stern. Oh, and all they do is rip out Howard Stern. So it's very similar. I guess that's why we've been getting this suggestion.

It's very similar to WATP, but they only focus on one show. I could never do that. So this is an episode we'll be listening to that is Howard Stern will not be edited from May 14th, 2018. It's a long show. I haven't listened to it yet. The people have told me that it's pretty terrible, but it's gotten better.

Okay. And apparently has listeners because, like I said, multiple people have reached out to me and said you gotta review radio gunk. Now anyone could create an email address, so it could be just be the radio gunk people. Oh. I have no idea.

I got it. I doubt it. So that'll be interesting. Next week, we'll be talking about the Howard Stern Show again, but talking about other people talking about the Howard Stern Show. Wow, inception. So please join us again next week because it might be the episode we'll be finding out once and for all.

Who are these podcasts? Sleep well, every pony. Party in the muskets of morning radio. Get out and show these fools. This dude is fucking corned. You not carousel, man. Your wife had the giantest bitches in her. Get her off! Your wife had the giant stitches in her. There have been no laughs! Look at her!

Come on! I You know who are these podcasts. I don't know. I don't get it makes no sense War these podcasts. They do a show about shows. It's hilarious the shows hilarious Alright, we finally did it. Oh boy. Sorry. That was a lot. That was really long. There was a lot to cover. There was a lot to cover. I'm so hungry. Okay.