Who Are These Podcasts? - Ep255 - Vince the Attorney (bonus)

Episode Date: April 22, 2021

Here's a bonus episode with former Stuttering John Podcast cohost and attorney Vincent Imbesi. We talk about defamation lawsuits. Not a specific lawsuit, just defamation of character in general.  Also, we discuss his firing from the Stuttering John Podcast, British John at the pub, and falling asleep to Eric the Actor. Check out the Shuli Show and subscribe to ShalomShuli on YouTube. Watch this episode here: https://youtu.be/uCYdtMIGwgM Support us and get bonus episodes: http://bit.ly/watp-patreon https://watp.supercast.tech/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What is happening? Rubber Dick's bag slappers, Couserous, bonus episode. I had a conversation with Vince who was Stuttering John's former co-host. He's also an attorney, and he was nice enough to sit down for about an hour and talk about. general nothing specific to our case with centering John but in general if someone were to sue someone for saying I don't know Maybe that someone was fired for being drunk something reckless like that What might happen? So this is a fun conversation if you haven't listened to part two of episode 254 where I play all of these legal threats from Stuttering John, please go do that because it is so much fun. And this is the exciting conclusion. Well, I can't say conclusion. We're not there yet. But this is our conversation about Stuttering John's

latest threats of a defamation suit. Hope you enjoy it. Who are these podcasts? W-H-D-P. Well, Vince, I assume you're doing this as a favor to Shulee. And I thank you for that, my friend. Thanks for coming on. You're welcome. You once had a stint as Stuttering John's co-host,

or at least a reoccurring guest on his show. And that's probably when I first got to know you. I loved you on Stuttering John's show. I loved when you would talk to him about the ROTC guys. I actually went back and watched again when you were laughing because they're doing the British John bit. And what was great was you were telling John like, these guys are pretty funny and he was not having it. That's the beauty of John because why I am such a fan of John

is because he's enduring, he's smart, but he's so naive as well. Right. To the point where he knows that he's right and he knows that something's going on, even though it's not, and other people can see it. And I've definitely been accused of being a troll on John's show. Yeah, I thought he were trolling him on his show. That's what people in our sub-ride it were saying. I was telling John, it's like I spent my whole career building up to the point where I control you.

And then I don't know what the pay-off is going to be, John, because he believed it. So whenever people would tell him via Twitter or however, they would say Vince is a troll. And basically, that's probably why I got fired. Although, I was a co-host for two or three shows. Really, I came in as a consultant for his channel. And I wanted his channel to grow and do well. And believe it or not, I loved his original podcast. I'm not sure what your channel's angle is relating to John, whether you like John or not, don't like John.

But to me, I liked his podcast, strictly as a fan. And then when I consulted with him, I represented a lot of people from the Stern Show and a lot of Inter team of clients as well. But with John, I really did want to help him. Yeah, and you did a good job for him. I know that you're doing a great job for Shuley now. And you definitely helped him grow his YouTube channel.

Yeah, that's the thing. A lot of, and these are just small channels, both John and Shulie, right? So we have some clients that have, once you get over the million subscriber mark, and they've been doing it for a long time, and there's some elements that almost anyone that wants to make money doing these podcasts,

including yourself, the main thing is time, and the people that were doing it eight, nine years ago, were putting in the time, and now they're getting the results. Another thing is time and the people that were doing it eight, nine years ago were putting in the time and now they're getting the results. Another thing is consistency and then another is theme. So with John and Julie, they have a name. So I think I've heard you say once that it's easier for someone who's famous to come in and start. And that is true. But ultimately for the long run, you have to have some form of good content and some form of really, really specified theme. So if yours is literally going over a different podcast, that's great. If it's making fun of John's channel and that's your theme and that's all your channel is, that's great, in my opinion, because it will keep you very specified.

Well, the reason why we've had success is because of our show format. And I truly believe that we picked a show format that was we're gonna pull clips from other people's podcasts, we're gonna analyze it, we're gonna laugh about it, it's a roast style show, and we've stuck with that. And like you said, consistently, every single week put it out, even when there were 200 people listening to now,

we've continued to do that. And that is the recipe for success of this, for sure. Yeah, the coolest thing about how the law has changed, I mean, I don't know if you realize that I was one of the group that started the high-pitch Eric 24-hour live channel. I do. I listen to the start back then. I remember that whole saga.

So even that was about four years ago, but to try and do a live channel, try and do a live show now. People have a hard time even go on zoom. We had a 24 hour 1080p camera and microphone running in Eric's room. Yeah. And he a lot of times he wasn't cooperative too. So we would have to send people in to do certain things. He was the one in the murder you.

He was threatening you non-stop even though you were helping about. The coolest thing about my person I was at, I won't take offense to what you say, to what Eric says, obviously, Eric has, he's mild mentally retarded D and that's a technical term. His IQ, I will say that when I saw it on the show, it came out of 66. I'd say that's about right. And a lot of people don't believe that he's mild mentally retarded, but he is. So I don't hold

what Eric says at all. He's threatened myself, my kids by name. The coolest thing is, on the show, actually, Julie was on a two. Howard asked, Hi, Pitch, how he feels about how my wife looks. And he goes, eh, not my type. Now, to cool, my wife's got a good personality too, but I still play that for every other month. It's a knock it down a little bit, you know. See, this attitude you have of being very laid back, taking things in stride. This is why you and John never were going to be successful working together. 100% It's a great point to make to I say that if, especially at your level,

if you're below, I even know what level, but if you're below 25,000 subscribers on YouTube, and I'll talk to any other platform because to me, YouTube is the real platform that I can judge because it's just so much harder to manipulate. And also that's where the money is. Now, if you're below 25,000, even 100,000 and you block anyone on Twitter for anything, I mean anything, then I can't work with you because it's just not worth the time because

you don't understand this industry at all. Right. Yeah. And I remember you telling John that you're like, I keep telling you, you got to stop blocking people. I know, I know I'm going to stop blocking people. I know, I know, I'm going to stop blocking people. I know. And that's why you're going to love John because you know that he won't stop blocking people.

And he never stopped blocking people. And on Twitter too, I mean, ultimately he's got people that are really following him, but then they love to troll him as well. I say, I'm not on Twitter, but I just, it's just something that I could see happening because people send me that John Block me, John Block me, John Block me. No, send them to a working email. You know, it's fine. But the whole point was with John is that if you're going to grow, you need to actually allow the haters to come in. Right. Yeah. And the funny thing is is that the way he reacts to the haters makes it grow because we did a show on his show back when he had Royce as his co-host.

And it happened to be a pretty funny episode where he was going back and talking about his accomplishments in second grade on A that he got in fifth grade. It was just the funniest shit that he was bragging about. So we're playing the glory days song and we're goofing on him. This was a one-off episode and then we move on to another podcast that we review. John got so butthurt and responded in such a weird way with threatening lawsuits, threatening to break my legs. Then immediately I'm like, oh, I gotta keep listening to this guy now.

And now we have this ongoing feud going for years just because of the way he reacts to it. I didn't know if I didn't know what your background is with John. But first about you, how old are you? 43. All right, so we're about the same age and you're a Stern fan? Huge Stern fan, yep.

And I went all day, yep. Right, so ultimately, like, John, to me, was amazing on the show. I go back and I listen to all the old shows. A lot of times I fall asleep listening to old shows. So that's really how I know a lot about him and the whole history with him. But relating to your food with him, I mean, you, I don't know if you told me or someone told me that there's claims of defamation and lawsuits, is there anything actively out going right now? Yeah, that's what I wanted to talk to you about.

And I don't know if you've listened to his recent show Where he did threaten a lawsuit against me and told me it's definitely coming down the pike. Have you heard that? I didn't hear it, but I only just I'll play a quick clip for you and you don't have to react to anything here I know that you've worked with John you might have agreements with them So totally cool. You are a very successful practicing attorney. You have your own practice in Manhattan. So I wanted to talk to you and just get your opinion on some things if you're open to that. But just to set this up, this is what he was saying on his show. Another person, I won't mention the person's name, although I know where he lives and I know who he is.

Has now committed libel and slander against me on his show. I have talked to my attorney, the great Michael Pope, you, my friend, will be seeing a lawsuit coming down the pike for making up an egregious lie that could hurt me financially by actually having the audacity to lie and say that I was fired from Stephanie Miller because I was a drunk. All right. So this is what he's been saying on multiple episodes now is that he has put in his retainer with his attorney and that the attorney is writing up the paperwork for this lawsuit. I want to start out by asking you, can you explain your understanding of defamation as

it relates to a public figure? Sure. Well, ultimately, I'm just going to give you general advice. This has nothing to do with John and actually has nothing to do with anyone because attorneys can't technically give legal advice without actually being retained by the client. So this is just generally, okay. He mentions libel and slander. One is in written form. One is in verbal form. I don't believe have you ever written anything about John? No, I don't think he knows the difference. All right, well, anyway, ultimately it's not about you and John. It's about anyone.

So if you write about someone, it's a certain form of defamation. And then if you speak about them as well, there's an issue of whether you can be sued or held liable for defamation if you are speaking about someone who's in the public. Now that varies from state to state. And in any case, if you're on the internet, sometimes it's hard to figure out which states law to apply. Right. Ultimately, though, a public figure just doesn't mean that you're a celebrity. Generally, it will mean someone that is in politics or someone in on that level. I don't know if

I'm fortunate for either of you, if you're going to qualify as a public figure, the real issue is the practical issue when someone comes to me about defamation claims is one were you damaged. and they say it and it's false and they know it's false and Howard wants a superdeformation. Well Howard needs to prove that he was damaged because of that false statement. That's the key. Right so and it's easy for anyone to say to get to that point you have to pay for the lawsuit, pay for the attorney's time and generally attorneys aren't going to take these cases on contingency so you To get to that point, you have to pay for the lawsuit, pay for the attorney's time, and generally, attorneys aren't going to take these cases on contingency. So you're probably paying hourly. But let's just say you have a friend that's going to do it for you.

When you file a defamation lawsuit, be prepared for whoever you file against to have the initial discovery taken against you, including a deposition. You're going to have to turn over all your financial records because ultimately you bring a financial case. So you have to prove that you were financially damaged. That goes for almost all cases, simply. So if Howard wants to bring a claim against you, let's say you said something about him,

well, guess what, you get to look at all of Howard's bank records, generally his credit card records, and then he's got a show. He's got a proof that he was damaged. So that's one thing a lot of clients don't understand initially when they come in. They say, well, I want to shoot for defamation. Well, first of all, what are your damage? And second, well, do you want people going through your financial records? That's worth it right there. That's amazing. I had no idea. Yeah. So I wonder if John knows that that's the case or not.

So how difficult? Again, I'm not speaking about you. I'm a John speaking general. I said, so how difficult is it to prove damages? How would one go about that? Well, nothing. It's so technical, but if you make a claim about someone's ability to work, which let's say you say this, say the about Howard that he got fired from serious, and that's about his ability to work, which let's say you say this, say about Howard that he got fired from

serious and that's about his ability to work, then you don't necessarily have to prove damages initially to have a valid claim, but you do have to prove them, Howard will, to actually recover any money. So in a general sense, if it's just you and I, where just normal people, I say something bad about you. Generally, you have to prove that you were damaged financially and then prove by how much. So if it's about your work, your ability to work,

if I say that you work for an internet company, if I say that you don't know anything about the internet, you suck, and then you don't have to prove that you were damaged, you damaged per se automatically se automatically But ultimately you got to prove the amounts right there has to be a dollar about somewhere in order to make a case for this How much the person would owe them? Exactly now What I love about John I know you mentioned his second grade and fifth grade and I don't know if I heard that but I know voice told them as well

John stop giving your resume second grade and fifth grade. And I don't know if I heard that, but I know voice told them as well. John, stop giving your resume. Have you ever gone and looked for, and I'm sure you heard about the cream of dual Jabbar roast that John wrote for, and the pop-ins that he wrote for on Jay Leno's show, and then also how he made Obama laugh. So like, this is why I love John because and a lot of

people have that insecurity where they have to keep somehow proving that they're in the entertainment industry or proving that they're a comic. And bottom line is, John was super successful in the entertainment. I don't know what what you said about him in the past. I maybe don't want to hear that. But in reality, he doesn't need to keep proving it. Right. Why I love him is that he still has to prove it to you. And he'll tell you, I mean, how would I know about the cream Abdul Jabbar versus I've heard it probably 50 times. I never actually went to look for it, but I do want to check it out. See how good it was. It wasn't even televised. That's what's so funny about it. It was like a private event that somebody threw. But yeah, that's still like top of his resume.

Also, I don't know if you know this Vince, but he once pranked President Trump. Did you know about that? No, I know that. I know that. I know about that. Okay. I mentioned that a couple of times. I've jumped with you.

He brings up the same things over and over again. It's so funny. And I agree with you. A huge stern fan. I loved stuttering John back in the day when private parts came out and he did that little cameo at the end. I thought that was great. John, there was something endearing about him and he's totally flipped out of that and really turned people off now with his current attitude. Agreed. So one thing that why John show will probably stall is he doesn't have anyone to counter him. That's why I liked Royce on the show.

I Royce had a good voice, a good personality. He wasn't as extreme as John. And where me, I can take the decide of a Trump lover, or at least to counter what John was saying. That was what I said that I would do for him. And a lot of people even me that, oh, I'd love to you on a show. I wasn't really on for that long, but I was able to give it back to John, at least a

countering voice, which this is why you love John and hate him too. He doesn't want to hear. Oh, yeah, he doesn't deal with that very well at all. Right. So he just wants to hear how Trump's, everything is Trump's faults. I mean, we all know that John flew on his chopper, got a massage with, get believe it was Karen on Trump's fault. I mean, we all know that John flew on his chopper, got a massage with get believe it was Karen on Trump's dime. Now, oh, he also advised John on whether or not to buy a place down here in Manhattan. This is John and Trump. They were best friends.

And I was to see, but politics, not best friends, but they were, he makes it seem like they are very close, right? No, no, I won't say I'm that's a misstamaid they were best friends you they were at least he knew him right and he wasn't an enemy. Now actually in fairness to John, AJ Benza threatened to kill Trump on on the show. AJ Benza fought with Trump over a black girl they both loved which somehow the media forgets but Kar Young was the girl that AJ Benza and Trump were fighting over. And now, AJ Benza is the huge Trump fan and huge Trump supporter. Yeah, that's interesting. So it's like, they flip flop.

And that shows you how strong politics is. Right. And ultimately, people will choose their general political party of choice when it comes down to it. All right. So I want to ask you this. And again, this is just in general, it's not about a specific case, but you have clients. If a client came to you and said, I want to sue for defamation because a podcaster said that I was fired when really I quit. Would you advise that person to go through with the lawsuit? Potentially. Now, ultimately, like I said before, because we're talking about his ability

to earn a living, there are different standards. Now, that's in New York. I don't know what it would be out wherever whatever law would apply. And I'm not saying it's this is for John, or whoever else. Right. However, you have to show damages. So even if you can prove a case for liability, the second part is damages. And third part is can the person pay which they don't teach you in law school But ultimately, I don't know I mean, it looks like you got a fancy place there with that wood paneling That's in the basement of my grandma's house

Must be an estate over there. So obviously that that element is right? So John knows or someone would know that you have money, but the issue is where the damages. Yes. So let me ask you this. Let's say because damages can't be proved that they don't win the suit, could the person who's being sued potentially counter sue for their legal costs? Depends. It depends on the law that's applicable. And generally, the answer is no, but in certain cases, defamation sometimes is one of them, where in our country, we do allow the losing party to recover attorneys fees. That's the huge issue. So we say costs, it's really attorneys fees, because there are certain cases where even if you win a dollar, you can recover attorney's fees, even as a plaintiff. So if either let's say it's

hypothetical and but it's mirroring you two knuckleheads, I would say, and it don't bother. And then I would say probably bring it to some form of of of fun court, maybe a shoelies quarter of vences court, and we can put together a jury and decide the case. Actually, let's do that. Maybe you can communicate with John. Let's have a fair. We'll have a fair jury that you can pick out of mostly

whapp hackers, but they'll decide the case legitimately. And it will save both of the time and trouble, because ultimately, you end up hypothetically, you'd end up getting virtually nothing and spending money. I don't think that now there is a few defenses. If John more someone that we're talking about, if you actually said something that was the truth and you have that ability to put that as a defense, then there is no case. There's no liability even if there is damages. So let's just say Howard was fired from serious for drinking. You say Howard was fired from serious for drinking.

Howard sue you for defamation. Well, there's no claim because you hear truth is a defense to defamation. Now the issue is though, if you guys bring the case against each other, where would it be filed? And what would the attorneys be? It's something everyone's got to consider when they go into these cases. Right. So the other piece of this, when I was doing my research, and obviously I'm not

an attorney, but the other piece is that you have to prove that the person had an intention to harm. Is that part of the defamation when there's a public figure? Potentially. Again, every state is different. So it depends on what law applies. There's no real federal law that's going to apply to defamation. It's a state law. And even you file in federal court, they would apply one state's law. And that's another issue as to what state's law would apply. Where do you live now?

I'm in New York. What state? Okay, so if you're in New York and someone's suing you from Texas, it's a question of who's which state's law would apply. So there's a lot that goes into these cases. That's why you don't take them lightly. And you don't file cases where there's no real damages. In the situation, the Howard Casey we're talking about, he's got a show

that for some reason your statement was one that that is causing him not to get work in the future. And that's a harder thing to prove. Right. I would imagine it'd be very difficult to prove you'd have to show this employer was going to hire me and then decided not to. Yeah, exactly. You see your clever. You know exactly what it is. That's why it's tough to do. Now, like I said, some states in New York in particular where you live, they do that per se rule when you talk about someone's ability to earn a living. So you got to be careful when you're speaking about someone's ability to earn a living, because you can be held liable for defamation. But again, they still have to prove the damage amount,

not necessarily that they would damage, but the damage amount. So let's just say you talk about Howard's ability to earn a living. He doesn't have to prove that he was damaged because of you, but he'll have to prove damage just to get something out of the case. Well, the other thing that's interesting here,

and you said that you don't know that either of us are public figures when it comes to this. So, you know, I don't know if you know this or not, but John has another suit going on, and series X-SAM, I think he might have been working on this with him at some point. But anyway, neither here nor there. But in that suit, he's claiming that his celebrity

is such that he has owed money from subscribers and advertising from the Howard 101 channel where his voice is still heard. Yeah, and again, I can't comment on anything with the pending lawsuits, unfortunately, in this situation. I just wanted to break it out. But generally, let's just say, just because someone pleads something, it doesn't mean that it's actually true. That's true. So on one level, they may plead that I am a public figure and then another, I'm not. Pleading's in a lawsuit are not factual findings.

So it really matters so much. I mean, Tecli can use it, but it's not definitive. So I guess my first defense on this is that I do a comedy show and it's kind of row style, we tell jokes and I didn't mean anything that I said to be taken as gospel. I was actually trying to make a joke which is why I said it up. I think you've heard the clip. I said it up with, I don't mean to be libelist or slanderous but John was fired by law. So that kind of proves that I was telling a joke on that. So my intention was to get somebody to laugh and not get somebody to be unemployable.

Wouldn't that have somebody to do with whether or not they would be able to win that case? Potentially now, the clip that you did send, I would say that you are potentially facing some liability, but I can't give you any advice one way or another. The time you hear people say, and Trump knows this as well, and Howard knows this as well, Howard knows this as well in my opinion,

opinion, opinion. So if it's your opinion, and it's not a fact that you're certain of, then fine. So you qualify what a statement within my opinion now, let's say you did make it the Famutory statement against John, you can retract that statement. So, okay, and I don't know if you did or didn't, but I'm just saying hypothetically, someone can retract a statement and potentially that could eliminate any claim for deformation in a general sense. That was going to be my next question because what I did on the next episode was I documented how he quit Stephanie Miller because he talked about it back in 2019 and June. So I pulled

clips from that episode and actually documented. This is what John says happened. So I believe that's kind of a retraction. There at least could be taken as such. Yes, no, maybe. I thought you were going to play a clip for me. Oh, I'm sorry. No, no, no, I didn't have that queued up. But I do have a clip for you that I want you to react to.

Oh my god damn show is this. I do have a clip that I'd love for you to react to here, because there are things that John does that I think he's getting a little bit loose with the law himself. This just came upon me, the person reached out to me and said he was a private investigator. And guess what?

He found out exactly who the person is that is taking my beer on the balconies and posting it on Reddit. We know your name, we know your social security number, we know where you live. I might divulge the state at the end of this show of where you live? So that sounds like a threat to me when you say I know where you live. And he's been saying this on the show a lot lately about specific trolls. People who goof on him and he says I know where you live. Is that a threat? Again, I'm not going to give the legal but let's just say hypothetically something

was similar to that. Yeah, I know where you live. It's all about context, obviously. Sure. And knowing where someone lives generally is not going to be construed as a threat. If you say it in a manner that's aggressive, not specific to what John just said. But I know where you live, as opposed to just saying, I know where you live. Potentially, it could be construed as a threat. Now, I've been threatened a lot, not just by high pitch, which to me is a different situation, but it's something you got to deal with. And when you get big enough, you'll see people will come for your, at least I'm talking

in terms of YouTube, they will come for your channel, they will come and they will try to take you down, copyright strikes, they can swat you, which is so ridiculous. In terms of swat, meaning people calling the cops on you, actually high pitched it, that's to me once, unfortunately, because I mean, people were doing to him, which is unfortunate as well. Like, the certain, I love, I'm very liberal when it comes to comedy, but doing that is just absolutely insane. But you're going to deal with that in this. So if you can't deal with that, I say to most people get off Twitter, get off YouTube, why even on it? Because you got to be able to deal with that aspect of the business.

Otherwise, you're not going to be able to make it long term. Yeah. Yeah. No, I totally agree with that. It's weird that you would get into these pissing matches where I know that whether it's John or someone from John's camp is going around and giving in these DMCA's on YouTube for people's videos that goof on them and then they ultimately have to go up their home address because of that then they have to make a case for themselves and go through the YouTube court

which is really just a huge pain in the ass and they always end up winning but it's just it's like come on guys we're all just trying to have fun here Yeah, so they always end up winning, but it's just, it's like, come on guys, we're all just trying to have fun here. Yeah, I mean, on certain levels, but for everyone who's creating content, obviously you don't want it to be reproduced illegally in theory, right? Although we all listen to hours,

hours and hours of Howard on YouTube, and there's a whole other issue dealing with that type of replaying. But for you and everyone else, obviously the laws change and if you're commenting on someone's content, the laws clear at least around here in New York that that won't generally be a copyright issue. That's why I see a lot now. Everyone's jumping on on the reaction videos. And because that's the court specifically had had ruled recently on that. So

that's something that's sort of new in the legal field. And I'm just talking of YouTube in general. Law. But you see a lot of reaction videos now because of that protection that they have. What about getting someone's social security number? Is that? Is PI is doing this? That legal? It's so easy to get someone's social security number. I mean, like within a minute, I can have yours, right? So it's not hard to do. A lot of people don't get that. Like our parents guard a social security number as if it's like the end of the world.

They would never give it up. Meanwhile, I can get all of theirs, right? So, including you can get the president social security number if you want. It's so easy to get. Now, for me, I've had high pitch, high pitch that ran into some bad people, I mean, like bad criminal people that were working with him. And they release

my security number, my wife's security number on Twitter. This is back when we talk about like Twitter censoring during the whole Trump issue. Back in the day, they were allowing a lot to go, we couldn't even get that off for 30, 35 days. So my social security number is out in the public. Tomein. Yeah, so I had to deal with that. I mean, Hypids giving my phone number out, I just dealt with it, right?

But social security number went too far, and that's when I had a technical action. But, but absent that, I don't think someone's going to publish your social security number, but if they do, you gotta be prepared for that as well. Right. but absent that, I don't think someone's going to publish your social security number, but if they do, you've got to be prepared for that as well. Did you know?

So your question was, what was your question though? Well, saying that I got somebody's social security number, I don't know, maybe it's easy to get, but is that something that's lawful to obtain? Generally, there has to be a legal reason for it. So if in a private investigator, potentially they can get it in terms of your subscription number, what they do with it. Obviously if they broadcast it or communicate it, that would be foolish on their end, that was your legal.

So it's more of a threat that people get scared about. So another thing I tell people in your situation, you may have these idiots call up and they'll give you grandma's last name or something that they find on a little bit better searched than what you can do on like Ben Verified or any of these services online, where you can get someone's information and they may even give you grandma's security number. And I know how to say, so what? What are you going to do with it? Right. No, they're there to scare you with it, right? So the point of someone saying that is to scare you, can you get over that? Can you recognize that and not react?

Right. I agree. So Chad Zumak, I don't know if you know who that is. He was going to do settering John Show and then said he was backing out because someone threatened to dox his aunt. And I'm like, what, why are you taking that as a threat? Who cares if no one knows where your aunt lives? And who cares where you live when I'm your ants the difference

Right. Yeah, I don't know that is but ultimately that's true a lot of people can't deal with it So then why why you why you on here? What's the point even saying a lot with Twitter especially and then that's what John and I would would would coral over it's like why you blocking people now when it came to the YouTube channel and YouTube's got different parameters now But for the most part people should be able to say what they want. And when I go through Shuleys thing, they say that I look like I'm dead,

like I'm a Martian, my voice sucks. And it's okay, like that's cool for Shuleys because it's growing the channel for him, right? I'm not gonna block anyone for that at all. I mean, at all. The people who goof on me, the hardest are fans of the show. I've heard everything about my physical appearance, you could possibly say. So yeah, you just got to deal with it.

What would they say? Uh, apparently I have very big teeth and, uh, there's some issues with my hairline and, uh, there's a number of things going on. I got a good hairline. Thanks. I'm a teacher. A little, yeah, I see the teeth issue, but it's fine. Oh, real quick, I I want you to react to

what high pitch Eric said on my show. Since you're bringing up high pitch. Welcome to who are these podcasts? White power. What do you think about that? Well, with high pitch is fun because when we crawl him and I will go a year without talking.

And then all of a sudden, we'll will be in right behind home played at the Yankees game. because when we crawl him and I will go a year without talking. And then all of a sudden we'll be in right behind home played at the Yankees game. And I don't know if you heard that whole segment, but it went on like hype what hype it's eight at the Yankees game, but then like they found out that he was with me. So I get the tickets to purposely were on TV.

So it's going to be funny for the show. And then hype it will not talk to me, but we'll, let's say we'll purchase a cameo with words in it so that eventually it may say Vince Soxer, I will never listen to Vince's show. Don't listen to Vince's show, but then we can edit it so that it turns out that Vince is great and that listen to Vince's show. So you can get Hippitch's really to to say anything. I don't even think he understands what what white power would be. That was actually shooly.

That was. Yeah, he does the best. Oh shit. Let me hear that again. That did not. He gave me a shit. He gave me a play again. All right.

Here's that's what I got him. I got a couple more. Welcome to who are these podcasts? White power. Wow. That is shooly. Here's a guy. That's good.

Who are these podcasts? The Holocaust wasn't real. I know you, he's got it so keyed in now. It's impossible. No. So I'll tell you this, Vince, I love your idea about if we're going to have this out, what's at least make it content? Let's do it on the bench show. Let's do it on Shule show. Let's do it on Shulie show. You know, let's have this defamation suit come apart. I'm all for it. I'm telling you right now, let's do it.

John will never go along with it because he's not a fun person. He doesn't, he doesn't have fun like this. It depends. Now, if you challenge some aspect of John's ego, which he doesn't have, he's not vain. This is what I love it. He's not vain at all.

You make fun of his apartment, it's dirty, but there's a cool aspect to someone who's like that. He's not a vain person. So people like, they see John, he'll tell stories of when he's picking up a girl. Like why are you driving this old car, it's all dirty, things like that? And John has no clue.

Most guys will try and at least clean their car before a girl comes over certain issues. So like he doesn't have that, which makes him very endearing and authentic. I mean, authenticity is the best when it comes to a lot of things, especially this industry. So he's got that aspect to him.

But yeah, I agree that he probably won't do it, but he probably shouldn't. Now, if you two wager something that is valuable, right, onto the outcome and you swear to the outcome, you'll hold to it. And it's a legitimate process. Potentially, he would. I don't know what you two would wager, but something that you both want and see what the outcome is. Because, yeah, potentially, do you have some liability? You have to speak to an attorney and find out you yourself, what you said potentially is that deformation.

And then John, if I'm advising someone like John, not him in particular, is it worth it, wizard damages? That's a common general question that most states are going to have to answer. Right. Well, I love the idea. I'm all for it. I would guess that what John would want is for me to stop talking about him. I have to think about what I would want in case I won. That's actually a good thing. He

would want that and that would be cool. So then you'd have to think of something else and we can put together a jury pool and you can make your selections and then have the case tried and make the decision and we'll see how it goes. Because I don't know, you two both seem like good people. Why can't you work it out beforehand? Sorry, the case is at a court before. I agree with that, but Vince, thank you. So this whole thing is like,

so your channel a lot was making fun of John and John Show. Well, yeah, so what we do is we make fun of a different podcast every week. But now we have some reoccurring segments like OP from OP and Anthony, uh, settling John. There's a couple other people, Brett Hattley, except for he came on the show last week and made it. And that's what's so funny. Brett Hattley, we goofed down a few times. He messaged me and said, Curly, I want to come on and rebute this.

I'm like, great, come on. And John could have done that too. This would have all been buried years ago. Yeah, but that's not in John's personality. John is for better or for worse. But now say that John did not get his start easy. And he had a fight for that job for on stern and fight for the job on Leno. This was not something that Leno did in some way to go against Howard Stern.

It's so fucking lame when I hear people say that. They'll say, well, John only got on Leno because Leno was trying to get back at Stern. It's not true. John almost didn't get that job. And John's an example of someone where you follow up, he had a follow up and follow up. I mean, you heard that audition tape, but that was just the beginning.

I mean, obviously when you hear that, you want to hire whoever is a Pam Wanness and a Niggilist Cage, right? But as funny as that is, and you would think that that would get the job automatically, but it didn't. The reality is they didn't even really, most of you there, and this other didn't want to hire John straight away. He had a fight to get that job and he did. So to be on a network show that big, I don't know how anyone can make fun of John.

I mean, I know it's fun for you to do, but let's face the reality. The chances of ever you, I anyone getting on that is virtually nil. So you have to give them this. What we make for the angle that I take is that he got to that point and look at him now Because that's really what's a basic to me Yeah, and then that's that's a sad thing about this type of industry right because ultimately you're not an owner You're just a performer right so there's workers and there's owners and it's hard to be an owner in the entertainment world You know because Howard Stern is rich, but he's not wealthy, right?

He has some form of ownership, but he's not at that level of wealth. We're talking billions of dollars. So ultimately, your time is going to run out as a worker. And it's interesting. So it's tough, right? But he did it. He took the risk, and he did it.

There's no doubt. And anyone's mind, John was successful. And not just the cream Abdul Jabbar was. I mean, that's a highlight for most people, right? Sure. But he was on a network television show. Yeah. And did you ever hear the Stephanie Miller show before, John?

No. No, I never knew. I don't even know who that is. I've never heard of it before, John. Yeah. So I didn't even even try to look it up or anything. I didn't even know John was any relation to it. I think she was on serious exam or maybe she still is. So it's pretty popular. It's very progressive.

So it'd be on one of those left-leaning political channels. Well, do you know who her dad was? Oh, I did look it up. He was a famous politician. Who was he? I don't even know, but I know that John got in trouble for not knowing. That's right. That's right. Right. Like, she asked him, the weird thing about John is, he is intelligent. As naive as he can be and is, he's also intelligent. Okay. I know it's, I don't know why you're laughing, but he is. So there are some people that you'll deal with that have super intelligence, but they're naive in a lot of situations. Yeah. And John's going to hear this and get pissed. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, I was saying, um, naive, a lot of situations. And John's gonna hear this and get pissed,

whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you're saying naive, I'm not naive. And the beauty of it is that he is on certain levels. Like when I was on the show, there was a bunch of things that I would say. I don't even know if you ever picked up on it, but at one point I asked if he was, if his Susanna's husband or husband

to be at the time would allow him to travel in July. Like some fans would write in and I'd ask him a question and he'd answer me legitimately not even picking up on my mind. Right. You know, like, so things like that with John are endearing, but he is smart. Okay. I'll take that one for it. I think they're willing for it.

I think they're willing for it. I probably listened to more Stuttering John podcast than the average bear and I don't see it, but I'll take that one for it. I think they're telling you you smart. I probably listened to more Stuttering John podcast than the average bear. And I don't see it, but I'll take your word for it. Yeah, it took, it definitely took a turn when he got political, same thing with Howard, right? It could be argued. But with John, he does no way about it. It trumps horrible and get that.

But for his show, that's not why people want to hear Stuttering John. I was listening to hear Stuttering John. His day-to-day life is interesting. He was hanging out with the pub. I mean, we know the name of his pub, right? That he hangs out at... Quick pub. Quick pub, right?

So, obviously, he's got a following and look at us. We're talking over about John's pub that he goes to. But then when he starts talking about Trump, that's where his... Well, there is naive or lack of understanding what people want to hear. that he goes to. But then when he starts talking about Trump, that's where his, whether it's naive or lack of understanding what people want to hear, he wants to tell that and it just turns most people off, especially because he has no balance. It's just completely one sided and it was cool for me to try and come in there and say, like, I have no problem even coming there and say things that are specific to him and his kids and if you have to deal like, that's another thing.

People like talk about kids. Now, my son, my daughter, their name's on In Howard's records and serious because high pitch is threatening them by name. Right. So, and then there comes a time when high pitch is threatening my son, he's going to go to a school, time up, stab him. Now look, most people will get offended by that. I don't.

Right. I'm excited to know who I pitch is. But still, if I pitch that about it, if you had a child and you said about it, most people will get offended by it. Especially on national radio. So can you deal with that aspect? I don't, John is sensitive about those issues. Which, understandably, I've never got after his family

or anything like that. I only make fun of his broadcasting, his broadcasting ability, his current show. And I'll tell you that I don't know if you're paying attention to where he's at now. I'm the Southern John show of you've been tuning in. No. So he's actually, he's gone 100% political. And he has these guests on a lot of politicians and political pundits who come on and spout the like extreme left thing and there's a there's an audience for that you know he

i think he's kind of getting rid of the comedy audience people like you and me who want to hear about stern and now it's just people want to talk about whatever the laughter or the politics with democratic party and people come into watch his show and he'll have two three hundred people watching live on youtube. And you watch the live chat. No one's paying attention. They're all just have the same political mind and they go in there and they just chat with each other the whole time. It's really getting two to three hundred live viewers, which is good. I mean, it's a good start. But the thing with this chat is it does it still have people moderating

and blocking non-nonstab? Yes. Right. So, like, there's one thing where YouTube will even have an, now an automated system to block extreme stuff, like violence that you're going to kill someone. But if you write in there, John, you suck. He'll block that or someone will block that. Yes.

I'm out. Like, I'm telling you, I told him, I'm out. I even though I got fired, so I can't say, John,ierman, I don't want him to sue me for defamation. I'm out because it's not worth the time because you're never gonna grow past a certain amount. If you do that. So for me, I mean, I envision John to have at least a hundred thousand YouTube subscribers

by now, it's been even a year since I left them. So I don't know what his channel is doing and how many views he's getting per video. But... it's been even a year since I left them. So I don't know what his channel is doing and what, how many views he's getting per video. But, uh, what could up right now? It was like 11,000 last I knew, but let's see what he's doing. The Stuttering Gen channel. Where are you? There it is. Uh, 13.6. Yeah, and it sucks because I mean he is he has that that family. I don't remember when he was fighting with Ravanger the nerds guys. Yeah. What what their what their number was, but I think it was like 15,000 at the time, maybe even 20,000 at the time. This is when so I was telling them

like it's good for you to go after them. Yep. And have some sort of conflict. But he's taking it seriously, like serious conflict. I just wanted some some back and forth banter it if at all. And I did like the, and the thing with John, the fun thing about John is you know, if you say John, I like a bit that someone else is doing that's making fun of you, like British stirring John, which I did like. It was funny. I, yeah, most people go on and they'll kiss John's ass and they'll say, I, they won't even say anything or those guys suck or fuck those guys, but I did like it, but I knew I intentionally said it, right? So like I didn't intentionally say it to get some

troll value, whatever people were saying, but John had in the back of his head that I was a troll for someone. You know, well, those guys are someone else. I'm glad you're bringing this up because I just refreshed my memory on this specifically. So you're bringing that up because this is how do you get these things going? Now, we're eventually the nerds, the adventure that says has 39,000 subscribers. So there are about three times the size of Jon.

So you saw this in advance and said, if we can mix it up with these guys, we'll get people watching our show, watching their show. It's good for everyone around. And when you brought that up, that, that, that was actually kind of funny. The look on Jon's face. He was in rage that you said that and then changed the subject immediately. It's like, you got to milk that.

That's your chance. Like go go back and fit and say, what do you mean? These guys aren't funny. You know, you could have like mixed it up a little bit right there. That's what I and and why John is great is because he was pissed at me for doing that. However, he's got to get over the fact that we have to be able to fight and fight it out and then move on to the next show. That's why I told, if you're ever here, like I tell Shuley at the beginning of our shows, you can say anything you want about me. You can say stuff

about my kids. I won't give a fuck, right? I don't expect Shuley to do that. But anything, I mean, anything like whatever it is, you sure it make fun of anything you want. I will never get mad at you at the end of the day, right? Because it's just, but it all starts to be real. So you can't just go fighting people. I didn't know who revenge of the Sith world. I don't know who they are now, but at the time, it was something where it was an authentic fight, which is great. But if I said anything good about him to start John up to stir some some good show He wasn't gonna take a hundred percent right. I think he fired me right after that Yeah, I think you can do that. I think within minutes he fired you from that

Yeah, the look at his face and so far you just like he wanted murder you after you And the thing with John is like he'll come around and like he'll eventually not apologize Wait a little apologize, but John's good like that. Like he's not, you're not dead to him. I hate people that do that. Like they never speak to anyone ever again for no real reason. He's not that sense, but no, he didn't get my, my aspect of what I wanted to do with his show.

So and that's the beauty of what it would have been, but it didn't happen. So look, I hope John's doing well. I have, I can, actually, I hope John's doing well. I can actually I can talk to John and I have spoken to John not about this, but in the past, you know, after he fired me, we spent, because I did represent him on some certain issues or at least we consulted. So it's like, and with a lot of people, I can't get into details, but you know, even that sense, I have no problem coming back to me years later, even if they need help. Well, Vince, I really appreciate your time today.

This has been a lot of fun and informative for me. So how do we get? Yeah. So the question is, are we going to, well, I don't know, do you communicate with John directly or just through legal papers? We haven't communicated through anything legal papers. He's been threatening me for years with a lawsuit. I've never gotten filed anything.

Yeah. In general, when we deal with any type of litigation, the threat doesn't do much. You know, like either you file and hit on what surprise, or I just, I was on the drew and mic show yesterday and they're going, Carly, you're being very cavalier about this. He's threatening a lawsuit. right or I just I was on the drew and Mike show yesterday and they're going curl you're being very cavalier about this. He's threatening a lawsuit. You're just talking about it. You haven't even seized counsel. I said people who threaten lawsuits are not the ones who are actually filing lawsuits.

If you're going to file a lawsuit, you just do it. I don't know John. John made here this and think that he does have a case now. So he may he may actually go through with it. Look, John, anyone can file a lawsuit, right? Let's be honest. In terms of my industry, it costs a few hundred dollars. Anyone can file a lawsuit against you for anything. It's a matter of, are you going to be held liable? I mean, you have a maiden, and it's true.

You haven't made until you've been sued. So, I mean, Hype at Cherrick's guys and his crew, they sued me. It's in for like five million dollars, something like that. You know, you need to deal with it. You just got to deal with it. And it sucks sometimes because people bring it up throughout the rest of your life. They they Google search your name and there you are with with a lawsuit for $5 million for whatever it may be. So it's something you got to deal with too. It's a it's another aspect of this industry. If you want to get bigger, you're going to run into this issue. Well, I'll tell you from experience.

There's a guy who I'm friends with named Dick Masterson. And he has a show called The Dick Show. Now, Dick Masterson, actually, I met the guys at Revenge of the Sistown in Tampa. We did a live show with myself, Dick, those guys. Dick was sued by his former co-hosts for $20 million because he was talking shit about him on his show. And it cost him, it cost dick a lot of money to defend himself, but it was ultimately throwing out a court.

And these suits don't typically go real well for the person who's suing because it becomes a huge fodder for everyone on the internet. And when you lose, you look foolish. So I'm with you. I mean, part of me wants him to just go ahead and go through with it because I don't know how he's going to prove damage. It's going to be impossible.

Well, maybe you did damage him in certain ways. Who knows? Well, it's like the same. I like that. Yeah, I know. You see, you seem overly confident. I like that. I don't know if you know what I should be.

Fair enough. I mean, I'm sure you'll be able to find an attorney in New York City or New York. Are you in the city or outside of the non-up and Rochester? Okay. That's cool. I went to you're just a buffalo. Oh, you went to you be okay. Yeah. Nice. So you don't know the area on the grad and I went to Syracuse for law school.

Yeah. So you're probably on the shitty area of a man Upstate and Western New York person, but yeah, you'll be able to find that attorney. I mean Again, it's about damages, right? Is this John going to be able to find any money after he wins his suit? That's an issue too, right What are we plugging for you? Shule Show We have the Shule Show. What we're doing now is we're going through Eric the actor's life. And he's the best. What we have in store is really cool. We have Jan Janssen coming on for his first segment.

And we're going to speak about when they were negotiating for Fringe. And Jan Janssen becomes sort of a bigger figure on the show where Initially Robbins making fun of him. Yann doesn't want to get a passport So then they have to go up the they have to go up the Canada film French Johnny's negotiating the deal Yann is is really not wanting to get his passport done online He wants it to be done in person So Yann is the person has to bring Eric to Canada to film French. He was just careful.

Ultimately, it turns out that like Howard and Robin realized Yann is the only sane one in the entire group between Johnny and Yann. Because he realizes that he's the one asked to actually bring Eric up. Yes, I lift Eric onto the toilet seat. He's got to bring him to Canada. So we're going to have Yon on them. What I was thinking of, I want to do a call in live show, which I want to get Shulee moving towards. Shulee's on his really separate path with his new company. But this channel, he's really left for me

to play with in a sense. So for me, I'm a huge Eric the actor, fan, and a lot of people are, I never listened to him live. So we're going through and we're doing it about once a week, but the new segment's coming up with Yann are gonna be pretty cool. And we use a lot of the old content, we react to it, and then we try and get Shuley to give us his insight

onto what was going on during that time. I don't know if it's controversial or not, but I think Eric DeActor was the best whack-packer of all time. His phone calls were legendary. Yeah, I mean, but who else is there really? If you talk about Hank, the angry, Jorfless grades a little bit before a time and then Beetlejuice. Now, Beetlejuice has got more of... When you talk about the mental challenges that some of them have, like Eric... He was there, but it wasn't, it wasn't like he was mentally retarded or mild

mental retarded. He wasn't. He was just, just a fair, the form. Now, they said his IQ was a 92. I don't know if that exam does have some physical aspects to it. You have to move blocks around. So, and so he's probably had the average intelligence, but obviously hindered by his life. I will go in eventually to trying two things that we have on our show that I was on mission.

Eric's syndrome was Elyrs Danlow syndrome. Have you ever hear of that? I'm not. So that's what he's suffered from. It's not a disease. The syndrome apparently does a difference. Elyrs Danlow, those are the two doctors, the horrible names. So the thing we're doing is we're going to, we're petitioning to have it changed to

E-L-A-S, E-T-I-S, Eric the actis syndrome. Oh, wow. So, as opposed to just Elyrs, Danlos, which is the typhinated, it's horrible name, it sucks. And we're making some calls to the foundation, ask him who the most famous person with either is Dan Loßes. I mean, obviously the answer is Eric Sean Lynch, right? So we have those calls that are gonna be broadcast soon, but it is a real mission that we're having. So ETA, I mean, people who said ETA-mask,

but I don't use the M word ever. I don't care. It's a one word I won't use. ETA-S is the name we're pushing for. And then we're doing other things too. In terms of getting a live call and show eventually, we want to have that so that Julie, not that that's something new,

but it's something where, Julie, we have to talk directly with the fans live on YouTube. That's awesome. Yeah. What about you guys? What's coming up next for you? Oh, we have Alisa Jordana coming on the show this this week coming up if you haven't got enough of Alisa Herner, I know who she is now

I heard that name in five years. That's Benji's old girlfriend. All right, correct and Gonzalez old girlfriend. She's currently engaged to Andy Dick So she's got some weird shit going on. Yeah, that is weird. Actually, John, there's a show with John. John tried to hit on her. That's why I believe. That's why I have her coming out the show. Oh, look at you.

I see what you're doing to using me. Anyone of all John's archnemesis, huh? Yeah, you like that? I like that. Well, John's gonna hate me now. So John's gonna think that I'm against them. Listen, if there's anything you want me to take out after this, just let me know. I don't know.

It's fine. I don't want to burn any bridges for you. And I don't want to be a part of a defendant in that lawsuit. He's about the file. So I don't want to leave it all in there. Again, all the advice I gave today is not buying. It's not, it's just general advice. Here are a lot of attorneys say that. That's the reason why you hear that attorneys give that disclaimer, but generally can't give legal advice to anybody without knowing

the specific facts. I understand. Can I just tell you real quick, my favorite? Yeah, I got to turn the actor a bit. And I mean, the Johnny, you know what to do was great, but as far as an extended bit, Eric the actor would call in every day to the Stern Show, but then at one point, he got very frustrated upset with Howard Stern, not meeting his demands. So he vowed to never call in again,

but he couldn't help himself. He started calling it as Derek from Texas, and he pretended to be a totally different person. And this is Derek from Texas. Was it Derek from Texas? Have I got to have that right? I don't know specifically what you're talking about. We have Derek appearing on the show probably in three weeks from now.

Oh, so Derek, was it Eric that there are different people? No, there was no, I don't know what people would think that. Okay, fair enough. My bad. I'm a correct. That was a good bit, I don't know why people would think that. Okay, fair enough, my bad. I've been corrected. That was a good bit. Now, look, you mentioned the controversy with Eric relating to the, you know what to

do. That was completely fake. Oh, I'm sure. I don't know if I hate, I know it sucks to hear because I thought it was real, too initially. For years, I thought it was real. And then Johnny had told me about it. I represented certain issues with Johnny. Sometimes Johnny will mention a Vinny on the show.

He's got an account named Vitor, represented a name Vinny, me, as if it was a tough guy that was going to go in there and do something. But with that issue, Johnny was going on a show. I think it was called Identity and he tried to somehow finale Eric into because I have to do with Johnny's father in the mafia. So we tried to have Eric make a tough guy call. And Eric came up with the words, but yeah, it was fake. Unfortunately. So I don't put that nearly at the top anymore.

A lot of people that are just casual fans will say that's probably their favorite bit. And for me, when he did it, and for years that I believe that was true, I mean, it was awesome. It was hilarious. But yeah, no, that wasn't real. So yeah, Eric leaves the show a lot. In fact, the last show we did,

he's getting his first offer on American Dreams and he left the show. So the guy's ready to give him an offer to appear on a network television show. And Eric's not speaking to them. All you ever wanted life, too. Yeah. Yeah. So whatever it does is he goes behind Stern's back and calls the show runner directly, which then he brings it back to the show of course. So that's we had that son.

If you check out our last video, we did that on American Dreams. We're going to go through all four TV shows that Eric was on. So yeah, I'm a huge Eric, the actor fan and we're going to move through that as well. Some glad any other Eric, the actor, trivia information you need. I'm willing to come jump right back on. Awesome. Now, people can find that on Shule's YouTube channel. Yeah, show them. Shule, If you just google shulie or and some people know me as viny the lawyer because i deal with Eric and a lot of times on the show that's what uh what they would call me as well. But ultimately this is fun for me. I love doing this aspect of it because i am a huge Eric the actor fan. I'm a huge john fan. Um maybe you're

not going to be so much after that lawsuit as well. But still. I don't know. I know might be good for me. I'm not sure, but I might like that a lot. No, I don't know. It's only going to be so much after that lawsuit as well, but still. I don't know. I know it'd be good for me. I'm not sure, but I might like that a lot. No, I don't know. It's only going to be a financial supporter of John. And then I'm just a fan. You get to that wood paneling. If you get to look at that wood paneling, oh my gosh. That's in your basement and Rochester. Yeah, this bank C behind me. It's not in the original print though. I promise you that. I'm not that into Star Wars. I mean, I know that thing walks in the snow, but I don't know what it's called. Yeah, it's my party in the must-vis of morning radio. And now the show is called right now.

Okay. Great show. Good job, everybody. Great job job everyone. You know, who are these? Podcasts. I don't know. I don't get it. Makes no sense.