Who Are These Podcasts? - Ep286 - Amico All Access

Episode Date: November 21, 2021

This week we listen to old video game nerds argue about a video game console that does not yet exist and might not ever exist. It almost made me miss politics.  Vito Gesualdi makes his WATP debut to tell us why he enjoys fucking with these people. Then Larry Bleidner joins the show to chat about a "tech" podcast where a digital marketer interviews a blogger. And finally, Stuttering John almost died.  https://www.youtube.com/vito https://biggestproblem.show/ https://thatlarryshow.com/ Support us and get bonus episodes: http://bit.ly/watp-patreon https://watp.supercast.tech/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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He's like, you're cheating. Because you're not. You just look like that. I didn't think pick that now. I hope I spit that it's a compliment. You got me to do your Can you write the report? Right so we encourage our listeners to go say five-star review on Apple podcasts and then shit all over us in the comment section Maybe we'll have review girls on later on in the show. I don't know But first we'll be reviewing a show called Amiko All Access. This is a suggestion that came in from our friend.

Vito, we have both listened separately, we have not discussed it with each other beforehand. Let's get into it. So there's a lot going on in this universe. And Vito, I want you to break it down and explain this. I've been doing a deep dive into this world this entire week. So I'm getting caught up.

And there's all these different internet people who are really into video games and do all these different like YouTube shows about specifically the Amico Intellivision Console. Now, this is a very bizarrely complicated little sphere of the internet because you obviously have a ton of these gaming podcasts, but they typically talk about things that people would care about, Xbox, PlayStation, Nintendo. What we have here is a group of dudes

who are really excited for a game console that is probably going to suck really, really hard, but anyone who tells them that, they just get furious and have this long insane drama, drama involving the head of the company at set himself who should not be doing this it's not good marketing for this terrible console. Can I just say Tommy Teleriko is the CEO of Intellivision now this guy's got interesting story he actually called it to the Dixiel a couple of months ago that's

what I was first exposed to this whole thing. But Tommy is a guy who plays video game music for a living. Like he's scored over 300 video games. And he did the music for like the Spider-Man video game, a bunch of like old class. He's definitely a talented musician. Well, he does these shows called Video Game Live. And I think it's up in Canada, but they do like these theaters where people come up

and they watch like an orchestra play video game music and they get the guitars. But what's crazy is I go to this guy's website. He said Eagle Madeiac. I go to his website and on the videos page, there's a video that's entitled 12 Minute Standing Ovation. And it's just a video of people applauding them. Look at the video, it's that. So, was a reason why they were applauding you, you dummy. He's like, look at how amazing we are. You sound jealous, Carl. I wish I had that video on my site. Tommy is a definite ego maniac, which is what is made

all of this drama so interesting is Tommy believes he's a rock star. You know, he's a rock star that you've never heard of unless you've played the Spider-Man video game. But he very much styles himself in that way. He carries him over the way drives his Ferrari around. And he goes, I'm going to save video games with the, I'm bringing back the Intellivision brand.

Now, do you know the Intellivision? Do you remember that console back in the 80s? I had friends who had the Intellivision. I had the Atari Choice X-Temperide. I had friends who had the television I didn't I had the Atari choice except I had friends with the television. Nobody actually was friends. Yeah, no one owned it's sucked. The good. Cucons and friends.

The controllers were the worst on FF. Well, what's funny is that you know, these brands people go, oh, in television, I remember them. No, that company died in the 80s. And then, you know, their name is just sitting around owned by a holding company. So Tommy goes, well, I'm bringing an Intellivision back and pays X number of dollars to buy the name. So now you have these guys, and a lot of these guys were going to be hearing in these podcasts are these older dudes who, you know, grew up with children of the 70s and 80s who have fond memories of this terrible game console. And now this weird huckster, you want to be rock stars, come back, it's said, well I'm bringing you a new

in television and it's gonna change the world and you and your family are gonna play all these games and and it appeals to them, but they don't understand that it doesn't appeal to anyone else, nor ever will it. It's just such a bizarre, badly designed, two expensive thing that has been delayed like for two or three additional years. All right, this is where it gets interesting right here, is that he came out like 2017, he bought the rights to and television,

started this company, Amiko is a tailion for friend. So he said, okay, we're gonna have the Amiko Intellivision and it's gonna be released on 10, 10, 2020, October 10, 2020. It's not just a cool date, it's the date my sister died. He's going through this whole fucking thing. You know, every grister has to have like a sound.

Sorry. So he goes through that whole thing and then we finally get close to that special date. And they're like, yeah, sorry pandemic, we can't get anything built. It's a supply chain thing. We can't do this guy was the original supply chain excuse. So fast forward.

Now we're going to Cactioper 2021 is one this thing will come out. And these guys here on these shows are great. They've already given this guy $100. They've already like pre-ordered their consoles. They can't wait to play this thing. And it just was announced back in like August that it's getting pushed out again. It's getting pushed out indefinitely now at this point.

They haven't even put a new date on it. And there's speculation, this thing might never see the light of day. Because there's a burning money. It's very possible. I mean, they've been bleeding money. They have a ton of staff. They have nothing to sell. I mean, there's so possible. I mean, they've been bleeding money. They have a ton of staff. They have nothing to sell.

I mean, there's so much to get into of like, how fucked they must be. But yeah, you have these guys who have not only spent, I mean, yeah, with the things that changed, like originally this console was gonna be $150 bucks. It's now $250. Tommy keeps promising. He's like, everything's gonna be an NFT

and you know, it's gonna have 10 controllers. He keeps changing what it comes with? But the funniest thing is some of these guys though are investors You can invest in the amico and give him like $10,000 to you know share in the profits of this thing And you're just watching these guys realize like oh god Why did I invest in this company? Why did I pre-order this thing? Like, it's a train wreck. Let me play one clip here that I want, that's based on that.

There's this guy named Nick, and he's from this thing called Geeks with Cash. And when I say this thing, these are all YouTube channels that nobody cares about. Like Geeks with Cash has 495 subscribers. Not focused on these guys has about 3000 subscribers. I thought. Right, the retro bro. about 3000 subscribers. Right. The retro bro has like the retro bro. So this guy, though, remember the name is geeks with cash and he says thus.

I kind of know some of these guys, like these guys, I want to see them do to get the product out. And if I can throw them a little bit of money that's going to help keep them afloat, even with my own little maker means Then it's something I wouldn't mind taking to brisk on so this guy geeks was cash doesn't have any money What if he did he would definitely invest in this flailing company? Maybe that's why you don't have money It's I'm just gonna fill that out there as a possibility But it's also the way these guys talk about it is that it's not like I'm excited for this video game system. It's that They all talk to Tommy personally. Like he's convinced them all that they're all like best friends

and they're like, God, I just want my friends vision to succeed. And I'm like, you realize that guys like using you, right? Like trying to get the word out about his thing on your weird little network of channels. But I mean, they're all convinced that they're really just best friends with this guy and they want to give him all their money to make sure that he's successful. He's already successful.

Tommy Telleriko, it seems to be a millionaire who lives in a mansion from all these video game work and behind the scenes, whatever the hell. But they really just want to make sure his little game console succeeds for some reason. It's super weird. You sent me a link to an article about Tommy Telleriko and it was fine, giving You sent me a link to an article about Tommy Dallarico, and it was fine, giving me some good background information,

but in this article, it says the Tommy follows right wing white supremacists on Twitter, and they have an example of it that you click into, it's Dan Crenshaw. Dan Crenshaw is the example of a white supremacist that Tommy follows out there, so no, not a congressman from Texas. That's terrible. I give you a

Kotaku link. They're not that it's a good overview But they definitely start getting politic and you're like Kotaku shut the fuck up Normally on this shit they also said yeah because he follows the quarter ring they're like all these guys are known Nazis are like oh shut up. I know So I want to get into this I was checking out episode 14 and You're like, oh, shut up. I know. You'll have to start that article. Yeah, that's fun. So I want to get into this. I was checking out episode 14. And what happens on the show is that there's seven or eight people

all hosting at the same time. There's the retro bro, there's Cyrus, there's DJC game studios. Mike Moist, next level gaming. I have a lot to talk about with Mike Mollis. This fucking guy is a weirdo. Another guy named Mike, Nick with Geeks with Cash, Retro Advisory Board, who they call RAB. And then the woman, Saggy Mellons, is on there as well. Now, the show starts off with, this shows two and a half hours long. And it starts off with, the big debate is there was a presentation done by Tommy at this thing, E3, which is a gaming convention thing.

That's the big gaming convention they have every year. It's kind of the biggest like game trade show. But obviously they couldn't do an in-person show this year. So it was all digital. And Tommy paid a bunch of money to show off his console on during the E3 stream, and everybody ripped on his terrible presentation because it was ridiculous. Well, the big controversy is that they use stock photos.

And what they said they did was they would take a stock photo of like a family in the living room playing a video game, they'd Photoshop in his controllers to make it like they're playing the Intellivision. Okay, that's the big crime that was committed here. Now this might sound pretty tame and if you have my background which is marketing, you would know this happens all the time and it's not a big deal at all. They start bringing it, they bring up this topic to begin, it goes on for over an hour and a half that they debate this topic and uh this guy rab is very serious about it for some reason in that year they spent just

on salaries just what their team was pulling in $5.2 million and that's just what the salary is that doesn't include benefits that doesn't include payroll tax that doesn't include uh uh anything else that you are paying for those employees. I mean, those are employees with benefits. So you could double that cost. They've easily spent $11 million over the course of a year to have staff at Intellivision and they don't have revenue coming in. So you want them to spend $30,000 on a product shoot so they can shoot some up close pictures

of your controller. They've been shooting pictures of the controller. They've been showing you images of that. If you want to get actors on board, $35, $40,000. In a time of COVID, when you can't get anybody, oh, and you want child actors, so you can bring in children, you can show it's for children and families. Come down, you holy shit dude, it's fine. It's okay to use stock photography. We got it. They don't have a lot of money, right? Holy shit dude, it's fine. It's okay to use stock photography.

We got it. They don't have a lot of money, right? Holy shit. Well, if you get, I had that whole clip and at the end of it, the estimate he gives for a one day photo shoot, he's like, you're talking about like $100,000 to get an Asian family and a black family and some kids in there. I'm like, hold on. Hold on.

Because I do agree that yes, you can use stock photos for like most marketing purposes. Though I would say that, you know, this is again, E3 is like the biggest trait, like this is where Microsoft shows off the new Xbox, the new PlayStation, everything is at this big event. So don't waste time, like yeah, you can use your stock photos for like your website and your pamphlets or whatever

But yeah, here is the time to go come on doesn't anybody have a kid doesn't everybody have a black wife? Why don't we sit them down on the couch get some actual pictures of this thing? What do you call it? Because a big problem with this console is everybody keeps me in like, can we just see it working? Can you show us video of it running? Like, can you show us how the controller works?

This was supposed to come out a year ago. Well, in you're saying there's a parts shortage, but even if there's parts shortage, everything else should be done. All right, I'm gonna now show you how much research I've actually done to do the show today, which is ridiculous. The argument is that this console is not for gamers.

That's the whole point. There's what, 300 million people who own consoles in the world, but there's four billion people who play video games outside of consoles, and this guy's going, because it just needs to be simple. You want to just pull out your phone and play a game. This console is for people who don't use consoles So even being it e3 in the first place doesn't make any sense. It's not your target audience

No, he doesn't make any sense. Yeah, and you're exactly right and mollus is fired up this like mollus guy It's fired up about those In the video in the same fucking video, they showed people playing with the console. They showed a family in a room. I thought we were in the room. They were holding, they were holding, no, no, Rob, I'm coming with you.

They're holding controllers. They're playing cornhole. So he said, yeah, okay, there was stock photography, but they did show people playing the video games and the presentation as well. Yeah, which was all terribly shot and terribly lit and super embarrassing to put on the E3 stage, but they did have about five seconds of some kids trying to play Cornhole, which is the killer app for the Intellivision Amico is a, you know, cornhole with the board and the bean bag. Yeah Apparently this is gonna sell billions of these things that everyone around the world is going to invest hundreds of dollars to play virtual

Cornhole. Meanwhile, you can go on Amazon and buy a cornhole board for about $10. Okay, they're like remember the Wii you could like bowl and Yeah, cuz you can't actually bowl in your house, but you can buy a cornhole board Well, they also have video games like dice you play dice on on this thing. Yeah, I know producer christus per top I like dice. Well, that's that's another thing with this console is that he's made all these promises Where he's like all the games are gonna be exclusive right which he very quickly went back on when people were like, wait, but that game's a flash game that came out five years ago and he goes, oh, well, I mean, it'll have like exclusive features.

It won't be exclusive. Now, well, you said it would be exclusive. I mean, he's literally showing, he doesn't know what this console is, Tommy. He's like, it's for the gamers. We're gonna have Earthworm Jim. It's gonna be awesome. Like, well, then why do you keep showing me

Sesame Street flash games? Like, who the fuck is this for? What is the target market? And when you try to ask these guys about that, they get super mad and just, yeah, go on these crazy rants about how you don't understand Tommy's vision. Well, Vita, you were fucking with that directly. Yeah, I was. I was, but here's the thing.

I wasn't really trying to fuck with them at first. Okay. And then it got fun. What do you call it? But here's the thing I wasn't really trying to fuck with them at first. Okay. I What do you call it? I think is it a clip 11 that I said you yeah, no no I think start with clip 10 where I asked him a very I was in the chat I check into these things sometimes because I'm interested in this drama Yeah, I'm in the chat and I go well who do you guys think this is for because my comparison is always there is a thing I called an intent of switch supposedly the intelligent amica well Well, who do you guys think this is for? Because my comparison is always, there is a thing called the Nintendo Switch. Supposedly, the Intellivision Amica,

well, it's for families, it's for people who don't really understand gaming. I'm like, well, if somebody told me that they don't really know gaming, but they want some friendly stuff for their kid, I'd say we'll go by the Nintendo thing, it's got Mario Kart, you know, it's very simple to figure out.

So I'm asking these guys who, you know, have all the Amica questions, I'm like, why would someone buy this instead of just buying a Nintendo Switch? And one of the answers that gave me if you play Clip 10, I sent you. Both of my younger kids have Switch lights. Both of them have iPads. Both of them have, there's an Xbox One X upstairs that I brought up from down here so that I can have my series X. And yet, and all of you know, like, except Cm because he wasn't in Pennsylvania,

but all of you know my 10-year-old who's got a switch light and an iPad and can play on the Xbox One X, and all of that is absolutely excited for the Amiko. Okay. It's not okay. So that right there is the problem that they don't understand.

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It's crazy. Oh, what, you have a bottle of gray goose? Would you also like to purchase some Mr. Boston? I have some Mr. Boston that you can also have. Exactly. Well, I got the gray goose. I'm good, but thanks. But you do like vodka, though, right?

Well, yeah, I did. I mean, obviously I'm paying a premium. Yeah, but I'm paying a premium. But I already have a much better thing. And now you want me to spend $250 on a worse thing because aren't you tired of the better thing? Right, exactly. It's so bizarre.

And I've tried to explain, like I've actually been able to chat to Tommy at one point. And I tried to get it through his head. I'm like, listen man, stop pretending this is for gamers because they're too smart a gamers just gonna buy a switch or a PlayStation or whatever You need to sell this to clueless moms and grandmas on the home shopping network It's the only possible way you're gonna sell this care bears adventure Sesame Street a flash game console and it's super bizarre that again You have these guys who are super attached

to this in television name, we're like, no, no, this is like gonna bring back classic gaming in some way. And you're like, not dude, it's just gonna suck. Like, it sucks. It's too much money. And it doesn't do anything interesting. Well, I think the original concept was decent.

And they're just not able to deliver on it. Like you said, it was originally gonna be like a hundred bucks. And that's the thing. It would have worked at the original pitch was great. 150 bucks, you can use 10 games. With your phone as a controller. You get like 10 games fine. All the games that you buy, we're gonna be 10 bucks or less.

They're like, there's gonna be super affordable for anyone. That's already out the window because they're taking 50% of all of the game revenue that comes in. Like, that's a ridiculous amount of money. So not gonna get developers on who are getting five bucks every time they sell a game when they they're making other games or selling for 70 bucks. Doesn't make any sense. Yeah, and why would you, again, he said we want to have all exclusive games. Well, no one's gonna sign up to exclusively make games for a console that 10 weirdos on the internet. Like, you're so screwed.

Saying we're only gonna have exclusive games of the stupidest thing in the world. You are gonna be desperate to find anyone willing to take the time to port their game to your fucking thing. It's insanity. Actually, we recently found out like two days ago that most of the games are being made by German college students

because they were able to get some sort of grant from the German government- Oh, no way for that government information out of it. They can't get real developers. So kids in the, you know, German computer class are right now coding half the Amico games you're going to get. Yeah. Which we also found out stole a bunch of assets from a bunch of existing games.

So they're like, well, don't worry about that. We'll take those out. This whole thing is an insane debacle all across the board. The other problem with it is someone got their hands on one of these consoles and deconstructed it. And apparently the technology in it is the same technology that would run an Android device in 2016. And not a good one, like a cheap Android phone in 2016.

Like the process is like a $40 Android process. Yeah, yeah. So it's not like you're gonna build great games for it. They're saying a bunch of the cost is that the controller has like a gyroscope in it and like a touchscreen. Mm-hmm. Yeah, but nobody cares. Like why?

Why? Why does it have that? Like, that's the weirdest thing. It has all these weird features that nobody can explain why they're there or who would want them No, but Tommy's super excited about it. I didn't pull any Christmas We're making fun of this podcast, but if you want to watch Tommy talk about this thing. He is quite a pitchman He really wants to go on dude. Yeah, go watch him on the it's funny how he got on the dick show because There's a guy on Dix forum that has the name Vito, Papa Vito.

And he's like, you should bring Tommy Tellerico on and Dick thought it was me. So we had him on and afterwards he goes, why'd you recommend that psychopath for my show? And I'm like, I didn't do it. So I got blamed for Tommy showing up on the dick show unfortunately. It's a long segment too.

All right, I want to get into this next thing because this is really funny. So Mike Moas is fired up because there was these Photoshopped images in this presentation and a guy from ours Technica reported on that and actually tweeted about it and this pissed him off quite a bit. What did we get?

We got this guy Sam, I came and pronounce his last name, MacRavitch, whatever his name is. He is the tech culture editor for ours, Technica. Not only did he decide, I finally looked into this and sure enough, Tommy Talleriko and Intellivision, blatantly Photoshopped their unreleased new game system over stock photos and blah blah blah blah blah and care about that.

But all I know, yeah, well, you know, you know, you know, you know, Robbedon, don't you? Yeah. The fact that he didn't bother to also say, oh, and they had actual people holding the controller. Oh, no, no, no. The very next tweet that this asshole tweeted out said, I kind of hope that this is the tech editor, tech culture editor for R.S. Tecdica.

I kind of hope the internet sees this and responds by photoshopping Amiko controllers and other ill-fitting scenes. Who, let me ask you a question, R.S. Tecdica, is that your ethos? That's your editor? No, I have to say, I think it's kind of a fun idea. Take these controls over.

Yeah, whatever else could you put about people on your phone? And if you were smart as a company, you'd roll with that punch and be like, yeah, you know, it's funny that we use some stock photos. What are you gonna do? We're not a big company, but yeah, if you want to photo, imagine people photoshopping your troll and a bunch of pictures,

at least you get the name out there. Somebody knows what the hell your thing is. At this point, any press would be good press. 98% of people listening to the show right now have never heard of in television to Miko. Producer Chris, were you familiar with us? No, no. So I mean, it couldn't not hurt at all

to have these things photoshopped all over the web, but this guy, Moloss, is this that he would tweet something like that? Very unprofessional. Well, I don't expect that the journalist to go. Well, Moloss apparently has a background. Oh, go ahead. I was going to say as a journalist, so he thinks that this is the height of journalist lack of professionalism here.

I don't expect a journalist to go, oh, I hope somebody takes the controllers and photoshop some into other ill-fitting scenes. Not from somebody that says, there's no wonder ours has become the go-to destination for those who need to shift the wheat from the chaff. We specialize in bringing readers to the right answer the first time. That is not what I expected and I was pissed. Now you would think that you wouldn't get so worked up over a tweet because a tweet's not that big of a deal.

So they kind of like, are you sure you should be this outraged by this? And this is why he's so upset about it. And the problem is that 663 people like this original, that 663 people liked it, 159 people retweeted it that may not sound like a lot That's another Wait, wait, wait, wait, and a company who is trying to launch a console against a giant headwind of Three big companies

Part it part shortages COVID and everything else and every uphill battle that they have to do. Now they've got to deal with another almost thousand people that have a negative view on the Intellivision simply because this guy lied. That's embarrassing. 600 people like the tweet. Oh, no. I don't know, like these guys live in such a bizarre universe where like, I don't even know how you have a podcast about a console that has not come out yet. That you've never planned for like two years. Yeah, and then you just every week get on

to complain about a guy who made a tweet about it that you don't like. Like what is going on in your life that you're like, you don't understand this tweet had 661 likes like bro like This is not important or interesting at all and so this other guy on the show is also named Mike I call him cool Mike cool Mike Mike Wallace for being such a little bitch about this for being such a little bitch about this. The anger is such that, I mean, is Tommy have this much anger towards these things?

I don't care if Tommy has this much anger. Why am I anger? Just my anger. My anger doesn't, my anger doesn't necessarily come from the fact that this was said. Again, Tony's saying it doesn't mean anything to me. The anger, my anger, hold on, my anger comes from the fact that I spent 15 years doing games journalism and I did it in an objective and sometimes passionate but in objective way and for somebody to want to see another journalist smear. Any company.

All right, so props to Mike because he goes, the CEO of the company isn't as upset about this as you are, and so we have to pretend it's because of journalism. Oh no, it's not because of that, because journalism integrity, that's why. Okay, I'm not buying it. What's a funny part of this saga

that is not covered in the podcast is, so this artist tactic a writer He kind of goes, oh, it's stupid. They guys put you know stock photos whatever and then Tommy Teleriko Because he's the biggest hitting the world can't just go you know let it go He has to fight with the guy on Twitter. So they have a little spat and because of that this artist tactic a writer Then went well, you know what? Let me actually dig into this and television amico a little bit because now I'm personally invested with it and he found The developer portal website that was unsecured with all of their like confidential documents

Like the reason we know what chip is inside it is because this architect creator was like well It's here on the website. It says here's the thing they're using. Here's how to develop games for it like all their information So Tommy just shut up if these guys had just shut up and I'm like, oh, here's how to develop games for it. Like all their information. So if Tommy had just shut up, if these guys had just shut up, I'm like, oh, it's just a tweet, whatever. People would not know that not only is the Intellivision like underpowered, overpriced, whatever, but then Tommy additionally went on to put out this tweet where he goes, oh, you've just posted a copy, written,

confidential information, ours, technical. We are going to sue you for putting out our confidential information which if you have an unsecured website that's on you bro it's not if you put up a bunch of documents on your server and somebody finds them like yeah that's your fault you're supposed to put them behind something.

It's true I don't know. I don't know if that's true. So you're saying just because I leave my house unlocked people can just walk in and steal my shit. I don't think that's true. I don't think I don't think that's true. So you're saying just cause I leave my house unlocked, people can just walk in and steal my shit. I don't think that's true. I don't think you have a good, if it's available by a public URL, I don't think you have a good case to be like,

oh, you can't tell people that that URL is there. I mean, what if the password was password? That isn't okay, it's still a tough, there was no password though. It was just literally like, you went in this way. It's too easy. Here's all the specs for our thing The point is that all none of these guys know how to market anything Tommy included and they just end up creating these stupid fights with these

Journalists who then just shit on them more and now anybody was even heard of the thing I like I'm here Shitting on it because of all the drama they've created around it like this is more negative publicity for it Because these guys don't know how to just shut up and roll with the fact that nobody wants to play their terrible game console And Tommy's doing himself no favors because he's in every single one of these message board sites and on Twitter Like you were saying and responding to everyone with something negative to say it's like dude Just let that shit happen. It'll sort itself out. You don't need to get involved. Dude, if you right now go on Twitter, I think he's finally stopped,

but there was a period of time where if you just typed anything, Tommy Talleriko on Twitter, he would respond like three minutes later with, well, the thing is, it was so weird. You know, I don't know about this Tommy Talleriko guy, and three minutes later it would always be like, well, the Amiko's a great fucking year. Like dude, I know, I don't know about this Tommy Tallarico guy and three minutes later it would always be like well I'm not the amico's a great fucking you're like dude

I know your name searching yourself every two seconds, but you don't have to why don't you go fix your console that you're so Worried about so Segi melons finally pipes up and we're like an hour into the show at this point there Yeah, Mike Molensky is just screaming about photoshopping and ours technical whatever and so saggy's the voice a reason here fucking Jesus fucking crap it is a toy it is a toy but it is not the but but in this sense So I'm doing it. I mean the points and I can chill like my sister that is I'm not deep though. No, the issue is like it's so deep and it's been deep And it's like why can't you just wait till it comes out if it's cool awesome if it takes let it fucking tank right here

Is dude y'all and people are so obsessed with something that hasn't come out yet Oh my god criticize it, but holy crap the level the level People to go and what's and what's even to criticize? Help I'm killing help and so all those guys are agreeing with her I can't tell if she's calling them out or just the people who are criticizing the council. Well, Saggy Melons, I've actually interacted with her. She's pretty, she seems semi-reasonable.

Okay. It is one of these things where she goes, you know, I like Tommy Tommy's my friend, and I'm like, again, I don't know if you're actually friends with Tommy or if he just wants. It's really weird that he can't seem to get any like big-time YouTubers to talk about this thing. Right.

So he's just kind of settled for these guys again who have like 800 followers, a thousand followers, and he goes on all their channels. Like he, they're like, have these direct connections with the guy. It's super weird. So, yeah, Sagi is one of these people, she's like, I don't know why everyone's yelling about it on both sides, which maybe she has a point, maybe I shouldn't be here yelling about it.

But as I've said to her, I'm like, listen man, I'm a YouTuber, I'm a guy who's pretty well versed in technology. So I think there is a value in telling an audience, hey man, this thing doesn't have features, it doesn't have games, it's probably not worth $250. Cause there are gonna be some people out there and see the Intellivision name.

They go, oh, I didn't Intellivision as a kid, it must be the same thing. And they don't know that it's just, you know, this megalomaniac who bought the name and is putting out this stupid plastic thing, doesn't do anything. So there has to be some criticism to go of the console saying, here's what's wrong with it.

And yeah, these guys keep going, I don't know why they're so harsh on it. I don't know why they don't just shut up and let us enjoy it. It's like, man, journalists exist to report on these things to tell, our technique is a tech website. Like they're gonna report on technology and whether or not it's worth you buying it.

And they really can't seem to stomach any criticism of it, it's bizarre. What makes this whole thing interesting is how passionate these people are about this. These videos are being taken down left and right from the internet because they're too controversial. I was watching one last night. I was watching a meekle all-access last night

with this guy, OEB Pete, which is open every box. Another guy with a couple hundred people will follow him. And I was watching the video last night. I was taking notes. I was gonna pull clips today It's already been taken off the internet today and We just saw you just sent me a note before we started the show where this guy retro bro had a take a video down

Because it got too spicy and people said things that they regretted afterwards Like you guys are talking about a video game console. No, it's ever played. Why is this getting so controversial? What's happening when I when is this getting so controversial? What's happening? When I said we should cover, there's two shows. There's a Mikko All Access and a Mikko After Dark. And when I said we should cover them, I didn't realize they've just been taking all of the videos down because they get so heated.

And there's some guys who just go in there, again, just to screw with them a little bit Cuz you could just say in the chat like I don't know man It kind of looks like a piece of shit and get seven grown men to just go red in the face is staring screaming If you want to play number 12 that I sent you yeah, I think they is them just freaking out at me being like guys I don't think this thing is a good idea Yeah, dude. I literally you seem to be saying it's for people who are out in the listen, bro. I don't know what to tell you.

I literally don't know what to tell you. What do you want to say? Let's call this what it is. He's not being a honest broker here. Let's be done with that. He is not being an honest broker here. He's reading off the same ridiculous scroll of talking points that, you know, the, the yuckleheads have exactly the same rise out of a high.

What was the comment that you had on there that they reacted to? The comment was the same thing where I'm like, guys, I just, I said to them, like, you seem to be saying that it's for people who already own everything else and they just freak out They they think that there is an organized They think they're being gang stocked by the anti-Amico people that like we get together We have like a list for sure of things to say to them to drive them nuts And it's like no like we all keep bringing up the same points because there's very common sense criticisms of this thing It's 250 bucks.

That's a lot of money. What does it offer for that amount of money? I'm like, well, you're just reading off a script. You guys orchestrated this ahead of time. You're like, no, bro, I just, I don't know why you guys are so excited for this thing. And what's funny though is that as time goes on, you know, it's started off with, oh, these guys are haters. They're going to get shown their place.

They don't know, you know, how great this is. But now is it keeps getting delayed. It was supposed to come out before Christmas. Like it's clear that they're starting to lose steam. There's less energy in their eyes. You know, the twinkler on their eyes has gone out. Oh, why don't you play. What was it?

Number three here that I sent you. They knew there was a part shortage in April and they gave themselves to October. I don't see how you don't at least get founders out. People have been backing this for two years. I don't know who've been backing this for two years. And I don't know why you don't, at least focus on getting that out. I agree. So what's the founders are now? The founders, see that's why this whole thing

is such a little cult. So the founders are the people who preordered first. And let me see if I can get the exact specifications of the founders edition. So these were people who preordered back in January 2020 for a special edition wood grain console. Now this was back when originally, remember,

it was supposed to be 150 bucks, but this one, or maybe this was when they announced, okay, it's actually gonna be 200, which now it's 250. But at the time, they were paying an extra $100, I $300 for a vintage Woodgrain Console signed and numbered by Tommy Talleriko, including a Founders Edition patch, pen, poster, signed by the entire Intellivision team,

the Earthworm Jim Anthology album, and this is the best. Tommy Tallerico greatest hits volume two. Yeah. Yeah. So that's the craziest thing about this. It's not the Intellivision Amico, it's Tommy Tallerico's Intellivision Amico. Like, he's the craziest thing about this. It's not the Intellivision Amico. It's Tommy Teleriko's Intellivision Amico.

Like, he's the one signing it. It comes with a copy of his album. Like, it's not a game console. It's one man's vanity project. And I don't understand why these dudes are so hyped about that. Well, Mike Molossick, specifically, who is a odd looking fella.

So he's talking about how he is one of these pre-order founder addition guys, and he assumes that everyone else is too. And by the way, all of us here have pre-ordered a system, right? All of us? Oh, no. Oh, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so,

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So as I mentioned, they bring up this topic and they talk about it for over an hour and a half. And the other guys are like trying to move on and Melissa will not let that happen. We'll go watch that. We don't have to spend 30 minutes on it here. Go watch it. Go subscribe to them.

Let's move on, but go ahead Nick. We have a wide way. Why do we have to keep moving on? Why do you move it on? Right, I mean this is, this is, I was just like, no, I'm not moving on. We gotta keep talking about this. And I'll see him.

I can't stop. Why do we have to keep moving on? Yeah. Someone's been pushing him for a while. Exactly. I'm still kidding. And again, he's just been talking about stock photos for like an hour and we say, dude, we get,

we get the Your Mad at the Arshtag Nicariter. We get it. But again, these guys are founders, man. The founders, we're it. But again, these guys are founders, man, the founders. We're the leading guard here, we're the vanguard. You know, we have to stand by this thing and support it. He's so passionate. Here's something that guys maybe are a little less insane.

But there's an example of that. Now, I want everybody to be clear on this. I'm a founders edition pre-order, all right? I, who like a chill, not a single thing that I'm a Founder's Edition pre me that my excitement is well-founded. All right, so someone played this freaking thing and said it's the most amazing thing you'll ever play. And so, Malsa's like, I believe you. I am all in. And he continues to explain how pumped up he is about this. I want people to understand.

I got Amt tonight about stock photos from a journalist. I went after that guy on Twitter. Why? Same reason sitting here. But the same reason that I'm sitting here being this critical about the E3 presentation. I believe I actually fully 100% and fill if you're still in the chat room because I did address because I looked you right in the eye about the game footage. I want to address this too. I 100% with every being of my soul as a gamer, as someone who grew up with the Intellivision, believe in this product. And you are one pathetic loser. That's the problem is he's pot committed.

He's all in. He's he's got low pair and he's pot committed and he's watching these cards come out. He's like, I'm shit. We could watch him play this for the first time. And it's like electric tick tic tock. And he's watching these cards come out. He's like, I'm shit. We could watch him play this for the first time. And it's like electric tic-tac-toe. And he is got to laugh and clap. Yeah, listen to this. This is funny.

I want to play Astro Smash more than anybody on this planet wants to play Astro Smash. And that's a fact. That's kind of like saying, my performance in the bedroom is worse than any guys on this planet Why would you admit that you want to play as to smash so badly? It's not a cool game It's some of these guys. I mean their whole identity is this this I'm a gamer You know I grew up playing video games and you're like listen man, that's fine But I mean I had trouble going through the clips like trying to pull clips because everybody at some point gives a little speech about why gaming is so important

What gaming means to them and I'm like guys? It's it's Tommy Talleriko's stupid plastic thing. It doesn't have anything to do with your life or your history Like just why do you have so much emotion wrapped up in it playing video games is not Personally as Kroge would say yeah being a video game player is that a personality trait all right and actually I think that that rab something up perfectly this is why people think gamers are assholes because you are as we'll say because game is behind you trying to do something

well hold on there's eight people who are obsessed with video games this guy's like gamers are all assholes. They're cool people on the show. I mean, the delusion that they have of this console is just bizarre. They seem to think that, because they keep saying to people who criticize it, well, if you just played it for two seconds,

you would understand, because they've gone to these little stupid events the time you put on or you films, you know, footage for their YouTube channel and they go, you don't understand when I played Astros, Smash it, changed my life for it. You're like, no, it's a shitty flash game. You just have something wrong in your head and you've built up so much anticipation for it that you've convinced yourself it's something else. Play number nine that I sent you just for some of their delusion. And honestly, I mean, I've got, I got like four or five people here in Maryland that are that were like, Hey, when you get this, can we, can we come see it? Can we do, can we set up a meetup? I mean, I could, I could rent a rent a small hall. Can I sleep over,

bring my founders addition and have people, have have people I literally have people asking me if we could do that kind of thing What a disappointing party wants to rent oh Can you imagine you buy a PlayStation and you go I'm gonna rent a halls or I mean no you wouldn't even do that No, and that's way more exciting than a fucking Intellivision Amico if I went to that event I'd be like where's the poison cool aid because I just Yeah, I'd be like, where's the poison cool aid? Cause I just didn't get any way to get out of this. I wanna nap. We're gonna run a haul, we're gonna pack it full

to play this fucking family console. I mean, that's, again, these games, look, there's some games that are like takeoffs of old Intellivision games, like, it to be fair, some of the games, I'm like, yeah, I'd play that, it's like a pong clone or like a dungeon in the dragon's look at thing. Fine, but most of the, like, like yeah, I'd play that it's like a pong clone or like a dungeon the dragons look at thing fine But most of the like you're not gonna pay $250 just to play that stuff. I'm a big bum. So just like yeah

I'm gonna buy a cornhole board So you're not gonna rent a hall. I love when the retro bro Finally comes to grips with what's actually happening here seeing what's going on in the world I don't think it's going to come out in October. I think maybe there's going to be a soft launch. Now this is just my opinion, okay, and that sucks. That sucks, right? That fucking sucks.

But what am I going to do about it? Am I going to complain and bitch? Oh, they should have done this. They should have done that. No, right? I'm just going to have to wait. So I'm going to have to just enjoy the ride and hopefully it comes out. And you know, at the end of the day, and I've heard, oh, it's funny because I've heard OEB Pete say this, if the thing never comes out

and it's a total failure, I made some cool friends along the way, right? I got to meet everybody else. So like, it's not a loss. Like, this isn't costing me money to talk about this on my channel. Oh, that's thrown into towel right there. Jesus Christ. Like you were saying before, Leo, where they were all pumped about this for years and it just get delayed, delayed, delayed to go out. I don't think this is even a thing. If no one comes in the next time, I still show it was a good rehearsal, right? Exactly.

Yeah, good. Can you imagine trying to explain how did you guys become friends? Oh, we both got swindled by a charismatic madman Period of several years Together Is there oh no, there's nothing but evidence of it on the internet. Yeah, that's too bad I made a fool of myself for years defending a psychopath and his insane value project. On the value project, now again, this got delayed and real quick, play number seven.

But it's tough, man. It's been tough. I thought like I talked to Tony, Tommy Tony. It's twice I called him Tony. I talked to him a couple of times. No, I talked to him a couple of times. I really don't, but I talked to him a few times this week and it was tough and he actually Told me what the gift was and it just blew my mind now blew my mind. I've got a small mind. So it's easy to blow but

Okay, so first of all these guys talk about oh, I'm talking to Tommy You know a couple times a week and it's been tough away. It's like are you guys a fucking Tommy? Tommy go support group or like a video game console group? I'm so confused. Like, it seems like they all have this weird relationship to the pseudo father figure who, you know, as long as he gives them this game console for their birthday, they're gonna live a perfect life

and if you fuck it up, they're like, they're literally waiting for daddy to come home from the store with a gift for them. But he references this gift, this idea that well they pushed it back and they told everybody well We're gonna have an exciting gift for all of you because we delayed it and here you know people were speculating What would what would make sense if you delayed a game console and you had to give them gift probably like a gift card So they could get a couple free games You know maybe like an extra controller, right? Something that you would want, right?

Sure. Okay. The Intellivision team is working to get your Miko in your hands as soon as possible. In the meantime, as a small token of our appreciation, we are sending you the video game live collector's edition compendium, valued it over $200. Okay. This is Tommy Talleriko's video game orchestra recordings. He sent them a bunch of MP3s You will be receiving 13 video game live albums in MP3 format. That's worth nothing

All of though and you can go on YouTube right now and type in video game live and listen to all of that shit for free anyway. They literally gave them nothing. And this guy goes, you know, he told me what the gift is, you know, I blew my mind. It blew your mind that you finally were getting a stack of MP3s that he just has sitting around. What are you insane? How does that blow your mind? I think that they want to believe. I think that that's the problem. Yes. They sound like religious cooks. Who no matter how crazy the story gets,

like, Scientologists, when they finally realize how fucking nuts it is, but they're so committed at that point, they're investing millions of dollars and all their lives are like, all right, yeah, Zeno, okay, fine, uh, with you, why not? They have such lofty ambitions for this. They're going to rent halls. One guy, if you want to play 13 real quick, he's got the best plan. Okay.

This is for people already on other systems. This is for people who are less interested in the direction of gaming now. This is for older people who are not getting into a switch. This is for people who, you know, schools that need, you know, multiplayer experiences. And this is advertising multiplayer experiences. And this is advertising that it's E and E 10 plus. So it's very easy for me having a video game club or having an after school program to procure a couple of these. Can you imagine going to your principal and going, I want to purchase some Intellivision Amicos for the school. I want you to, and he goes, what the fuck is that?

What's kind of like, I just think our school, that's, again, this was in reference to the same question. I'm like, who is this for? Yeah. And he goes, well, after school programs, oh, well that'll sell fucking millions then. That never mind, you've got it all figured out. We'll just sell it to after school program.

What the fuck are you talking about? These people are living in this bizarre fucking fantasy where like, if everyone, the second you see the amico, it's gonna change your life forever and you're gonna buy it for your every kid and on the block, it's insanity and they literally are a cult. The fact that they called themselves the founders. It sounds sinister and bizarre. I want them to have like branded cloaks at this point. Wouldn't it be funny if in the buildback better bill There actually is an order for millions of these consoles and they'll be giving out to every single school and a low-income

Community and actually they've had a plan all along. He's got this out figured out. That's what the holdup is That's what the whole that's what they're debating right now. How many of you mean go should we buy? We don't know what they don't know if they should get the regular ones or the wood-pan would want. So like should we spring? Do we spend an extra $50,000? I want to play a couple more clips because this Mike Mollis guy tormented me all week and now I want to torment all of you. This is Mollis just refusing to shut up. He just refuses to shut the fuck up.

And Sony said I need 8 million PlayStation 5s. And Tommy said, I need a million. Hold on, hold on, you asked me a question. No, I didn't ask you a question. I just said, your rant was great. You just lacked the actual fact. And I put it in there. I'm not arguing with what you're saying. You were saying, Sony can't get anything out there.

They have to redesign it. There's nothing out there. I said, but there is stuff out there. They sold a point six. So. Yes, I'm sorry. There's yes. Right. Big giant, big giant Sony sold something. But they had to worry. Sony had to redesign their system. Well, hold on because if you're gonna make a point and make the right point, I didn't make a point. What are you doing? All right, so now I'm gonna try to figure out. I'm the same side. These guys are like supposed to be. Yeah.

Now they're trying to figure out what was the point? Because this guy's been screaming about nonsense for so long. I, I, okay. What was the point? The point was, like, you don't understand that I'm gonna expose you for ReuDrage. You're just saying, I don't, I, okay. What was the point? The point was Mike, you don't understand that I'm gonna expose you for Reudrage. I don't understand. I don't understand. I want to fight over both of Mike. I don't really forgot the point was this rate. I mean, Mike goes over 20 minutes

yelling about something that's in. Hold on, hold on, pause. You know, you're not going to I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I guess I'm a chat. That's a real show that I had a listen to because I fucking vetoed his wallety. Sorry.

I see I'm an H2O. Well, I would have found you a less contentious episode, but again, they've deleted them all because they all devolvened in these insane invites that they didn't have to make a video afterwards where they go, we have to apologize for episode 15 that evolved into a bunch of screaming on our else like no episode remains up now the at one of the episodes I sent you was unlisted yes that I was going to say that episode is unlisted that because they had to take it down I don't know why it's causing so much controversy it's a bunch of nerds debating nerds shit is that it's always really It is such an up and down. And again, like, I wish we had all the episodes, because just the enthusiasm that at the beginning and like the last couple

episodes have just been like, it's not coming out. I have, there is no future. This is the end for the founders. It's been such a character arc for these people. I love it. All right. I think I have one Mike Mullis clip number six. Just, but it's just sounded a little weird to me. We care about it because we've played it. We've touched it. You know, my son has put his hands on this thing and and enjoyed it and once it was he talking about there. His son's put his hands on it and he liked it. You're on it. Exhibit a. Exhibit a.

We like this guy way. I don't think these guys realize what's coming out of their mouth half the time. No, but they are not shy from talking. There's other episodes that I wanted to book close to them. Thank God I didn't because I have too much. Obviously, but there's other one. The topic of conversation and there's like eight people in this room again, and the question is, what game would you want to have available on the new Amiko? And they're just going around talking

about old video games that they like, and how it'd be cool if that was available on the Amiko. This is what children would do, talking about video games that they like. Who's your favorite superhero? And can't you just already play those, like what you want like new versions of them or something? Why? That doesn't make fucking sense. You're like, well you know what, there's this really fun game I've been playing on the Xbox. Well, then keep playing on the Xbox, then. Well, that's the weirdest thing is you're like, all these games that they want, you're like, well, wouldn't you just play it if it's not that the console is making the game good

Again, there's a couple of meco games that look like they might be kind of fun But like if they put them on the Xbox they're gonna be just as fun as if they were on time Whoa, you're one of them you're one of them. Oh, you probably pre-ordered. You're probably a founder All those games are going to end up on the Xbox when this thing, you know, it doesn't even come I don't know if it's coming out at this point like they're out of money dude these games These games you can try to invest right now. I'm looking at their investing Page do you know I think it's fig or whatever where you can invest No, no dollars in these companies that aren't public and I'll keep buying safe moon. Thank you very much

I have more capital to that. They keep having problems because they keep violating FTC regulations in very weird ways. Like at one point, the guy, I think it was Jay Allard, the guy who like helped get the original Xbox going. They're like, oh, we've got Jay Allard on board. He's in charge of our whole thing. And then he, you know, very quickly probably looked at it and it went what the fuck am I doing in left after like a week? Yeah, but they left him on the investor page for months like Jay Allard from Xbox

He's one of our guys and then eventually someone's like hey Jay Allard so with the company and they're like oh no He left back in March and you're like well then you can't have him on your investor page You're literally misleading investors at this point. He was still in the presentation that they were giving to investors after he had laughed. Yes Yeah, and then they and then they make these videos where they're like look at these families enjoying it And then people dig into and they're like well that guy who says he loved it invested the 30 thousand dollars into it So I don't know if you're allowed to put an investor in your pitch and you're well me and my family just really enjoyed playing a Astros Smash. Yeah, okay. Is that true or are you just saying that because you're like, oh God, Tommy has my money and I'm never getting it back. We just can't get enough of Evil Can Evil. It's such a fun game that we're all playing together.

Yeah. Evil Can Evil, again, one of the phone games that is literally five years old. Some of these games are five, six years old phone games. It's insane. All right, I feel like we need to move on from the show. What's the other thing? There's so much to dig into. There was. I find it very interesting, but I would say,

if anybody wants more in television and media coverage, Pat the NES punk on YouTube covers a lot of this new stuff coming out. That's a great resource. And I just really enjoy keeping up with the drama. I don't think I don't know if this thing's ever coming out. And if it does, it's going to crash and burn. It'll be fun.

It'll be fun to see what happens. How are they going to have enough money left to produce enough to put in a wall? Right. Right. They're at the point now where unless somebody comes along with a million dollars to invest in the company company like, you know The yes, there's been some COVID supply chain stuff But ultimately comes down to you guys didn't buy the parts on time

They kept holding off on buying the parts and at this point now like trying to get any parts as a fortune And they still got all this staff they got to pay you're like guys The founders founders you got to wake up. You're not getting your thing. You might just get fucked here. Ryan Beemrose in the discord says, if anyone wants more coverage of this riveting topic, please report to your local government office to be euthanized. All right. Do we get your point there, Mr. Beemrose? So that brings us to this fun part of our show. Grinch of the week. Gringe of the week. This is the part of the show where maybe you're listening to a podcast.

You enjoy maybe you just stumble upon them wanting to know about and you hear something very cringey and you send it to me so that I can play it as the cringe of the week. This week we have one that came in from Nicholas Lambert. He's been a strong supporter of the show and content for a long time. This is a show called Chaluminati. Are you familiar with the show, Vito? Of course, I listen to it all. No, I don't fucking know what that is.

Well, the reason I asked you is because they're making over 10 grand a month on Patreon. I was like, oh, he shit. Chaluminati. Chaluminati. Chaluminati. This is how a recent episode that just draft started off. Hello everybody and welcome back to the Chaluma Nadi podcast episode 126.

As always I am one of your host Mike Martin, join my two co-hosts. The oh shit, I didn't think in Mario and Luigi. That's what you are right now. The Mario and Luigi of LA. That's, uh, it's, we already did that. We already did that. We already did that. Okay, hang on, I guess start restarting. The cat dog, the cat dog of LA, which one's the butt? Is there a butt? That's the whole deal with cat dog. Which one is the butt? All right, which one's the butt? Am I the cat or the dog? Alex is the dog for sure. I'm the cat. Yeah, I'm a dog.

Yeah, I'm a dog. I'm a dog. I got that strawberry face. Yeah, you with long breath. I'm a dog. Yeah, you a dog. I'm a dog. I got that slippery face. Yeah, you with long breath. I'm over here like that. You're like that. That's your boy. Yeah, I'm a girl. I'm a bitch. I'm a girl.

Oh, man, I'm a bear. She's got that. That's the vibe you get. She's actually a bear. Oh, man. I'm a bear. She's got that vibe. That's the vibe you get.

She's actually a bear. Oh, man. Oh, man. She sounds like Don Nots like took an ambience or something. Stayed up to like, don't worry about it. It's a guy turning into a chicken slowly. What are you talking about? Not the bra.

This is getting weird. I was welcome back to the Halloween special. Yes. Yeah. It is November 7th. A few people out there reached out and was like, Hey, you guys doing a Halloween special this year? I'm going to be real. It kind of blew me by. Halloween fell on a Sunday, but we got back from the live show like the day before the new. Kind of felt like the live show ended up being our Halloween special this year, but you

know, it was a super special. Satisfied, yeah. Yeah, yeah, this is it was an exclusive special for a small number of people. So there's our three teams to with us. Oh my gosh. Oh, look at past. Oh, no like it's like a safer atmosphere and there's bigger candy bars. Yeah Size candy bars only for everybody didn't you like it? Didn't you guys ever have that house? And it goes on from there. I could have kept it going for a while because they continue to sing for some reason to talk about candy bars And that's a fucking bottle holy shit. I know one of those guys. Oh, you do? Yeah.

He's not great. Let's put it that way. So did you know you didn't know that it was that he was on Chaluminati or you just hold me out of it? No idea. He's this guy. He did another, I don't know, whatever. He's the guy who's basically like a version of me.

If I had just You know kept being allowed bearded asshole and What changed? Well like there's like a certain level or like are you just gonna stay a child and just make goofy noises with your mouth and like never really You know he does like Pokemon stream. I don't know. I guess I'm no better. I shouldn't cast shade. Fair enough. He's like an alternate reality version of myself and he stopped following me on Twitter. So I'm glad that he now has a podcast where he just makes stupid noises.

Well, people in the chat were saying that they've heard the show and that it's hit or miss. So I guess I don't have to look into that maybe that could be uh a feature at some point. Yeah well that was that was awful whatever that was. That was like unlisted a lot. Yeah that was that was definitely cringe worthy very very much so. Larry Blightner is with us. Larry what's happening buddy? Oh baby. Hey here he is. What are you man? I'm doing well about yourself. I'm great. Awesome. Thanks for helping on the show. You had sent me an album about a podcast called

Staying Away with Technology. You didn't have nice things to say about it. And so I thought maybe you'd come on and we can play a couple clips and chat it up a little bit. Sure. How did you find this show? You know, I can't recall how and chatted up a little bit. Sure. How did you find this show?

You know, I can't recall how or where I stumbled over it, all right. But somehow I didn't, I thought, this sounds really bad. And then when I listen to it, it's kind of a post-mortem on that site, second life. Yes. And I came interested in that because years ago, this chick used to cut my hair.

And she, you know, like for two or three haircuts, all she would talk about was second life, second life. And I said, I thought, I maybe I'm going to see what this is, you know. So I checked it out. And after about three minutes, I had more than enough. You know, so how do you, how do you wrap an entire podcast about basically around a more than to, you know, or barely alive enterprise like that? And they talk about that too. So this is a show hosted by Melinda Byerlie. And Melinda

went right off the start of the show. Welcome to stay in a live-in technology a series of conversations with Silicon Valley veterans Touching on raw stories from the past and practical advice for today and now here's your host Melinda Byerley Founding partner of fiddlehead a digital marketing consultancy. Oh, she's a digital marketing consultant I'm already like She said digital marketing consultant. I'm already like First of all the theme from Shaft as a kind of an intro that's that's kind of out there Right and war stories from the past. I mean how much more narrow can we make this is about Silicon Valley Which only Silicon Valley people I think really give a shit about right? And then it's gonna be it's gonna be war stories that only we know about as well

And and they talk to this guy James Owl or James Owl. I don't know how he pronounces that. And this guy is a blogger. I mean, am I missing something? He that's only talking about his block. He is a blogger. He also claims to have written a couple of books. Okay.

And he says he's more in the pipeline. Yeah. And this woman asks really stupid questions. So this guy was working for the company that made second life. And he was brought in as a contractor to write about it. Right. I mean, that was his job. So very, very exciting stuff. And Malinda asked the hard-hitting questions, what was the first game you played? Or when did you become aware of technology as a child? What was the first game you played or?

Why did you first become aware of technology as a child? Whichever is more fun for you. What is the one I stuck my finger in a socket? That was the game. And that was the game. That's a technology, huh? I have another example, material question. I want you to get your clips too, Larry.

But this is just not how you interview someone on a podcast. I guess I ask you, you know, how is second life changed from those early days in pre-beta to like where it is now? Has it, how much has it changed or how much has it not changed? Are some of those people you talked to you still there? Wait, what? how much has it changed or how much is it not changed are some of those people you talked to you still there wait what does it change or actually does it not change at all and actually is anyone still there that you used to work with you thought to those people like just pick one question and ask you're giving two questions that are a little like at odds with each other like one lady and, but she actually do you like sandwiches or would you ever shoot a man for a dollar?

And she actually talked herself with that one Carl sees her there. Why don't you click a clip nine? How what how did your perspective on work or life or your career or these companies changed once you were inside inside the company. How did you perspective on your career, your life, your being, the universe? Your pizza toppings. You know, I mean, holy shit. Larry, not everyone should host a podcast, I guess, is my point. Goddammit, Carl, you're so right.

But you know what, people think that they can, they succeed in one arenamit Carl, you're so right. But you know, people think that they can they succeed in one arena and they they can do it all, you know, and there's this is living proof here. This wouldn't even be good at like a job interview. Let alone, you're doing someone out of podcasts. Tell me a hurdle that you overcame or maybe tell me about a time that you did a good job at work or tell me about what your weaknesses are. Yeah, exactly. Okay. And where do you see yourself in five years? What's that one?

My standard reply to that was always a stride your grave. Very good. That's why you're the success that you are Larry. Exactly. Yes. Corporate Titan. What else do you have, I do. Do you want to fly? Again, as you said, not everybody should be doing podcasts and this woman, invariably, no

matter what this guy says. And he doesn't say much that's even remotely interesting. But in slogging through this swamp, this quicksand, he did, he did sort of say something that, well, this is a fascinating story. And he no sooner got the, you know, the broad strokes out of his mouth, that she just snatched away and made it about her, which is what almost all these want to be podcast interview people do. And listen to her do that. I can't help themselves. I can't help myself.

One guy became a virtual detective in second life. I didn't know that. That's crazy. Yes. And so he would run a sting operation for his clients who suspected that their avatar boyfriend and girlfriend was cheating on them. And so my God, that's funny. He ran a honey trap operation where he'd have men and women on his clientele list who are on his, on a staff list who would approach

the suspected cheater to see if they would take the bait. Yeah, it was interesting because when I came to Second to lend an after I spent time at eBay and PayPal. And in fact, I was brought in to help build the eBay of Second Life, the virtual the virtual goods store. Like they had just bought Xtreet S.L. and they were going to new platform and all of that. I had a lot of experience in marketplaces and policy. I always tell people, the best part about working at the lab is you get to have a meeting called Skins and Nipples. You're having a discussion about what you can sell and what you can.

I saw a lot of this stuff happening in eBay, so it didn't shock me. Like, I remember in eBay, we had the, in the Diamond Rings category, part of your joke. What is going on here? Thank you. So this guy finally says some, I thought, shit, I'd like to hear about that. So they're actually detectives in the city,

you think trying to find out if people are cheating digitally? Right. He gives a fuck, but maybe it went somewhere, maybe somebody got shot or killed somebody. There's at least a nasty divorce, but what is Moline to do? Oh, let me tell you about me. And he bayon diamond rings. It wasn't even related to the topic.

I don't know how she got to that. Not even close. Almost impressive. Is how bad that was. So second life is not doing well. No, well this, yeah. Yeah, he said there's another funny one is a clip on that clip seven

where she says, how's it doing? And he says, well, it's basically the fucking things flat line since it was inception. And it's got 600,000, he says regular users, which I understand is pretty, I mean, sounds robust to me, but this roadblock thing is like 200 million worldwide. So I guess, yeah, second life's pretty, pretty pissed poor. But he keeps saying throughout this interview

that it's the big mystery. In fact, it's in the show notes on the page. It's a mystery, the mystery of why second life isn't bigger than Facebook, you know? But then the answer, it's in the show notes on the page. If the mystery of why second life isn't bigger than Facebook, but then the answer is several times. And you'll hear this. Why the fucking thing, right? No way. To me, that's the biggest mystery.

And I think it's the biggest mystery in Silicon Valley is how did something that got an incredible amount of press to the point of it's, you know, on the front page, the New York Times, it's showing up on CNN, it's, you know, TV shows, it's showing up in the office and other TV shows, movies, and second, I've got the most attention at the time of any virtual world. And even crossovers like CSI, the TV show, they had an official experience in second life because they had an episode with second life in it and then viewers could jump in. Right. So we've all heard the second life. Even though we haven't used it, we've all

heard about it. We've all heard it. Yeah. Yeah've all heard about it. Yeah. Yeah. I use different years. Yeah. Yeah. And I'll tell you why it's not popular. It's the most confusing fucking thing in the world. It makes no you're like all I want to do is make a character that looks kind of cool and puts some cool clothes on them. And they're like, yeah, that's going to take like three years using this program before you figure out how to do that. It's no a meco. You can't just hop right in and start playing. No, it's the most complicated. Like, trying to put a jacket on your character,

you have to like learn like how to move it around in 3D. So you can't just click, like, put the jacket on. You gotta like move all the individual parts and unlink them from each other because the callers clipping through whatever. And then you have no idea where to go. You have no idea who to talk to and everywhere you go, Furious, you're just like, you know, having sex with each other. And you're like,

well, I don't want to be here. So yeah, it's bizarre. I think the only people using it anymore, using it to do crazy sex chat. Well, he basically said that that that it was, you know, it was overly complex. It didn't sort of, it was kind of a blank slate. He said that the original developer was a big fan of Burning Man. And so he thought it basically, let's do Burning Man and just people will arrive and figure it the fuck out. Well, I guess they didn't. But this guy, his sort of his ego trip is in clip three, guess James Owl. Where he talks about how he embedded himself like, you know, like some guy in Vietnam or Fallujah or something, you know in this This whatever the fuck you call it. Is it a game? I don't know virtual one so that he could get at the hidden stories

It's pretty funny clip. It's clip three. Well, I called it an embedded journalist in a virtual world. So it's just I'm embedded and I'm an avatar reporting on other avatars. And this is what they say they are. Though, it's been weird. I've been doing this over 15 years. Not one of my stories is trying to be contradicted. Like you didn't find out that somebody was lying about whatever they said they were. Yeah. Yeah. That's wild.

I know why this is true that no one's ever contradicted one of the stories. It's because his stories. No fact check it. No one's looking into this. No one wants to know. It's true. I'm curious. Yeah.

Yeah. Exactly. All right. So getting back to the fact that this has not been a success. That's an old shoe rack. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. All right. So getting back to the fact that this has not been a success and it plateaued some time ago, I thought this was a weird word to use for that. But for some reason, Zach Alive itself, the platform has never been able to grow. And it's an amazing microcosm.

And I said, and my first book, you know, this might be what it is. It just becomes an amazing microcosm of under a million people. Why is it a microcosm? Is it because of the word microcosm? And there's a, it's a small group of people who use it to the microcosm. Yeah, somewhere in these clips, Carl, that he also uses the new darling phrase. Have you listened to one podcast, one newscast, anything these days, and within 35 seconds, some fucking asshole is going to say, this is an inflection point. Right. He's got that in. So along with microcosm, these darling words, it get very popular.

He's got that one. He didn't use microcosm correctly as one of his points. Oh, he didn't. Exactly.m correctly as one of his points. Well, he didn't exactly. So that works it all. Here's another one. And if this one made me think back to the show we did, excuse me, on Perez Hilton, if you remember his artful, seamless commercial placements that made him stand out from everyone else, right?

Check, you're gonna love this. Check, cut 11. Well, I saw, I have seen those videos on YouTube kids You're going to love this. Check cut 11. still struggling and tech to understand that our child can be used for for evil. Hi, this is Smellinda here, your host for Stan Alive in tech. We are the only podcast to feature long form first person oral histories of Silicon Valley. We're now heard in over 60 countries and our average listening time is over 45 minutes. So human trafficking is really terrible. Oh yeah, it's going on all the time.

Hey, check out my next podcast. You can really expect it. If you're enjoying it. And she self identifies as if it's a panel of a dozen people. You know, this is Melinda getting really close to the peak. You're the only one talking. I know that. One of the other things they talk about on this show is because she also worked for this

company that made Second Life. So she's really into it and she talks about how they used to have these virtual meetings in Second Life. So yeah, virtual meetings that was happening in Second Life and so companies were experimenting with that. So as Paul... Yeah, I love to talk about that, like how meeting, I just want to tell people I learned to work virtually working at the lab.

This is boring. The whole thing. I'm talking about virtual meetings is not good content for a podcast. Wow, they were so powerful. They were so powerful. I'll tell you why virtual meetings are working so well in the year 2021. I would love to see a scholar at some point talk about things like racism and sexism and and other isms that caught that are you know how to have because we're seeing already in the pandemic you know women of color have been saying we like it better working remotely we we have fewer microaggressions

everyone likes working remotely better everyone Everyone wants to stay home. Why do you like it? A few of our microaggressions, huh? That's why, yeah, I'm a little bit of color. Yeah. Yeah. One of these virtual meetings that was, the guy was like, it was like a Siberian motif and she actually started a shiver. She's looking at a computer screen

and she said that because it was a winter theme, she got cold. I don't think that that's possibly true. That sounds stupid. Okay. If you say so. She also explained that she was a pink bunny. And she goes, for reasons, I don't want to get into here.

And I can explain what is she goes, well, you know, you have to go to my psychiatrist to figure out why I was a pink bunny. For therapists or whatever. I think the reason is because she's an extremely unattractive person in real life and buddies are cute. It's just crazy. I mean, I just think when I hear this stuff, I'm like, these people, I mean, they're so deeply into this bizarro-make-believe world on so many levels.

It's just to me, it's like, you know, it's my blog. Well, I was unimpressed with the host and the guest on this one. I thought both of these people were boring as shit, especially this guy James who comes on, he's just like, yeah, man, I've been blogging since before blogs were blogs, like, okay, it's not, I feel like Michael Ravaport, you're still proud

of your blog. Fuck's wrong with you. But then here's the other thing she said, in her opening thing, I think in her opening salvo and that clip ran way too long to apologize for that. I realized I let it do it. It was kind of a run on clip, but she actually said something like,

here we are, we're chugging along, you know We're doing so much kind of we're at show number 10 for this year The season is over. I'm so done. Wow That's another thing that I hate and podcasting people have seasons. Yeah, you're not a TV show Why do you see what are you hoping to get renewed? I know you're hoping to kill me off. So the only get a season if like the season has like a particular theme like like those true crime ones. Yeah, okay. Serial or something. Yeah, that makes sense. But otherwise just put the number.

Yeah, just consistently make it episode and put a number on it so people know where to find it. You have these dummies who think that like, oh, I'll take the summer off because I do podcasts and seasons. Well, just so you know, people have habits that they have and when your show stops getting updated, they never go back to find it again. Yeah, so that's really stupid.

It's not like it's strategy. Larry, anything else from this show that you want to point out? Let's see. Maybe let's, you know, give a clip five, a click there, Carl. See we get. Point is that like you could pick whatever you wanted to be. And that allowed people, I felt to see you as you wanted to be seen versus how they saw you or were conditioned to see you by whatever's going on in the culture. It's exactly. Incredibly powerful. And it's awesome. We're finally at that inflection point where I think people get it because these worlds like Fortnite and

Roblox and so on are so huge. And this is sort of the expected interaction mode where people, if you have an avatar, people are totally, they understand the concept. And I think to a certain extent, understand what you're talking about that, that power to express yourself not through your kind of real life surface, your, the body you were born with, but express the mind that you've

cultivated on your own by yourself to a certain extent. So yeah. We were as a soul, like who your soul is to not be too spiritual about it, but just your essence, if you will. It's glory and the airs of shit by the physical manifestation. I always tell people the moment I knew there was something there was, I was in a meeting, it was somebody's office. And for those who don't know second life, executives at Lyndon have what they call, they're called private islands essentially. So they're all gone places in the mountains.

Nobody can come unless my invitation is just like a velvet rope or a locked door in real life. And so we're at somebody's office, one of the executive's offices having a meeting in second life. And it was winter. Their office was a winter scene. And it was the middle of summer in San Francisco. And I was shivering.

Bullshit. It was cold. And I was upstairs at the lab, which generally is pretty warm. And I found myself, wait a minute, I'm cold and I was upstairs at the lab, which generally is pretty warm. And I found myself, wait a minute, I'm cold. My body is reacting as though I were in a snowy place. There's something here. Like this is wild. And I played video games since I was a kid too.

I mean, I played, you know, even Diablo and The Sims and I played all that stuff and I had never had a moment like that. It's dumb. See these people talk about this, yeah, so they're so lofty about it, you can be your trueist self or whatever. And if somebody's posting in the chat, it's like, yeah, but is your true self like a chick with like X cup brass dick nipples and fucking shit and all over everybody? Like second life is, you go on there because it's fucking hilarious that people are just like I can live out the most disgusting sexual fetish in a virtual 3d environment and they do it And you're allowed to just watch it. It's yeah, there was a great

Series on something awful for the longest time where a bunch of guys would dress up like the Star Trek cadets, you know wearing the or in the outfits and they would go to these horrific sexual islands Be like we found the native population here. They like to strap each other into this machine and have it pound their butt And you're like that's pretty much like half of what second life is as far as I understand This is why I learned the card. Okay, the card was accidentally trapped inside the machine for a period of time I just got the card trapped in some horrible bondage fucking 3D model. Yeah. So I'm glad these people have, you know, found something so beautiful about it.

Maybe you could find a true identity. Well, it was really struck me was this woman is saying how, you know, it's basically, she's using everything but saying what it is factual. You can be, you can, you can hide behind some fucking kooky avatar persona, you know, and she say, you're not, you're not perceived the way the culture perceives you. No, the culture doesn't perceive you. People's fucking eyes perceive you. That's what, that's what establishes the perceptions.

But in her world, no. So I don't want to work out and I don't want to buy days clothing. What don't you understand about that? Exactly. Just gonna be a second life. People still buy shit and convert real money into their fucking, you know, fiat currency and that thing, or is that still going to be?

Yeah, yeah. Well, whenever you want to buy new stuff for your character, you buy their stupid little coins and then you invest in it, I guess. You can get like free stuff but you know the guys were really committed. Larry I like how you're acting like the US dollar is worth more than whatever it is in second life. I'm sure that one is more than anything you got your

back in right now. Right. $6 gas in LA so yeah. That's like I thought you were going to get out of there. What's going on Larry? Oh, I have a two-month-old. Listen, I'm doing the best I can curl. I am but you know when you get the kiddies in their school And that's kind of it complicates things. I'm just gonna kill my kids There's only the solution. You just gotta look hard enough

Yeah, I don't know if it's asking is the inflation in second life at 6.5% year over year like it is? Listen, it's a fuck ton more than that. Dig this, this is a fact. Okay. Almost Thanksgiving, right? And for the past, you know, five or six years my wife and family, we've always said, hey, fuck the cooking, you could go to these upscale supermarkets, right, gelsons or whatever, and they will cook you like a 16 pound bird with all the trimmings and the size, all that shit, it was less than a hundred bucks. I mean,

they would deliver that for less than basically you could do it yourself with no fuss, no must, no bother, right? Yeah. That's what. My wife called up just yesterday, you know, order one of these turkeys, a turkey for four, which I imagine is about the dimensions of a Cornish hen, right? Yeah, the trimmings and everything. 280 bucks. Holy shit. He is. Holy shit. Hey, so there's some inflation for you. And you can't even get a full-size turkey. That's like, fuck you. We're out of those. And that's why people need to go on Larry's Patreon Patreon.com slash that Larry show I am a proud patron supporter. I love that Larry show and you're doing a new show with Darren O'Neill called Planet Rage

Yes, yes, we're having a lot of fun doing that. Yeah, that's every Monday and it's in the live stream with the No Agenda Guys. I heard on No Agenda that you guys were gonna be on there. That's awesome. Yeah, it's fun. And the beauty of it is darren does all the heavy lifting, God bless.

How many shook is he's fucking six with five? Six. So basically it's like, and does all the heavy lifting God bless. How many shook is he's fucking six with five, six. So basically it's like, you know, he sends me a clead feed link. I have a like this, I have a couple of rage clips whatever I shoot him the night before. Sometimes even eight seconds before the guys fast. And we do it, we all have fun. So you're at Shitty Go House,

and you're admitting that right now. I'm in shock. All right, cool. Good for you. Here's some last minute shit. Here, quick. Get this prepared. Let's go.

Yeah. Let's do it. But you know what? It actually works out because the one that was all really home run that people went berserk over was I dug up this kind of a musty clip of Alec Baldwin. This is right after his little gunplay episode where he had had cursed out his 12-year-old kid and she'd recorded him. Yeah, the rude little pig. Why is she recording these messages? Exactly, exactly. And wow, people. That struck a chord.

Yeah, he forgot about that. What was he yelling at about? about that. What was he yelling at about? He was, I guess it may have even predated cell phones being that common. I don't think so. Somehow I think it was like in the four smartphones. Yeah. Maybe four smartphones. That was probably it. Yeah. And so apparently he had been trying to reach her by phone. He was in New York. She was in L.A. And finally, and he left her, he left her, there's a long voicemail on her answering machine that went on for like two and a half minutes, just going, apeshit about, you're never there

when I call and you selfish little pig and blah, blah, blah. Oh yeah, I remember that. Oh, cool. It was wild. It was wild. It's little bitch. Yeah. And he was talking about, he was talking about Kim Basinger too,

which is her mom and he's like, just like your mother, your rude little pig. That's right, he worked there. He got to shout at mom too. Yeah. So great. Let's keep one thing straight. Ellen Poblet hilarious, right? We can all agree on that whether he's bald wind, whether he's torn, he gives him enough credit. Yeah, whether he's trapped or caught on his kid, he's just fucking funny.

All right. Well, planet rage is a new show. What's the premise of that one? You know, it's basically, you know, people, it's, you know, of course, rage is a great cathartic. Is it not? So we, we, we will pick a clip or two of somebody blowing their stack and pick it apart. And it's a lot of fun. Now, Darren, sometimes he just, he, I think he plays games because he'll, he'll pick a clip from, you know, some politician, some Kami that pisses me off knowing that I'm going to, I'm going to lose my shit and we'll do that. But generally, it's just like, we're going to have one, my can't, I can't give it away. We get another good Hollywood rage coming up this Monday. So, yeah.

Very good. Well, thank you so much, Larry, for coming on the show. Thank you. Talk to you. And is that veto the fabulous veto? It is. Hey, what's going on, man? Hey, man, I want to say I loved your, your adventure at Netflix. Oh, did you watch the 20-minute cut? See the 20-minute cut, but I'd like to, but what I saw, like I said, you really, you really, you maintain your composure, you kept smiling in the face of great adversity. You know, kudos to you, man. That's the way you got to do it. I mean, me and Dick have been telling everybody. It's a, you know, you when you're faced with madness, you just got all of in the face. Very impressive. But I would say, yeah, if you check out my channel, we have a whole super cut of everyone thing I would down that day and that it's pretty it's pretty funny. We had a weird

It is very funny. Have any arrest been made because I know dick press charges against those guys, right? You know the LAPD is the LAPD You go hey a guy you know beat me up whatever they go. Yeah, well That sounds like a lot of paperwork So I think dick's pressing them Well, that sounds like a lot of paperwork. So I think Dick's pressing them me. I've tried a couple times to get them But I don't know man. It is what it is. I mean if anything though We're just getting out the name of that writer who was fucking with you know, I want that kind of answer a little bit for Because the guy who broke my sign. I don't know if you know that that he was you know a comedy writer

He's writing the phzier reboot right now. I'm like, how's a comedy writer going to go out there and start stamping on signs that say we like jokes? Like this is absurd. Well, you know, there's very few, if you want to look for a real writer, never look on a TV show, because it's always, it's, you know, 12 or 16 clowns in a room together reading pizza and thinking, what can we steal from another show that worked in camouflage it and then make it work for us? That's all they fucking do.

Really? Camouflage it and make it, yeah, take any edge or interest out of it. Yeah, make it as, how littleble is possible. We're talking about that. You know, a humor show again on here? Oh, talking about the Amy Schumer show. I was saying recently that she stole sketches,

like word for word for that show or at least one of the writers. recently that she, she stole sketches like word for words. Yeah, for that show. Or at least one of her writers. Yeah, word for word. I saw Vito speaking of this Netflix protest. You guys were on Legion of Skanks a couple of weeks ago. You and Dick Masterson. And yeah, I really, I really enjoyed that a lot. People haven't seen this. You can go on Vito's YouTube page. It's right up there. The full-length video of them going to the protest and I mean, they're signed from them. And Dick literally getting beat up.

I mean, they smashed it into a... That was pretty local, man. Yeah, this is a monument thing. And Dick was not happy. It was like not funny, it sucked. Like, no, he had a leg. I'm like, oh, you got hit. Ha, ha, and he's like, no, I got hit.

And I'm like, oh, sorry. But to Liz's point, no, he had a leg. I'm like, oh, you got hit. Ha ha, and he's like, no, I got hit. And I'm like, oh, sorry. But to Liz's point, what was really impressive was how you guys kept your composure. And when you went on Legion of Skanks, Lewis J. Gomez and those guys are like, well, I would have kicked their fucking asses and they goes, you can't do that. That you can't go to a protest,

especially when you get into a fight, then you lose. Then you've lost. We would have immediately lost it when he just been like, well, look at these transphobes. Right. Which is what they were eating on that evening. That being violent.

Yeah. They tried to do that anyway. There was one of these antifocytes. They said, well, you know, Dick was out there strangling people. I'm like strangling. We didn't struggle anybody. What are you talking about?

It's a touch that he wanted. And the guy, yeah, the guy that had to do like, you guys were like fighting them. Yeah. So it's good that we didn't give give even an inch because even without an inch They try to take a mine. Oh, yeah, exactly All right, well Larry. Thank you again for coming out and let's let's talk again soon Maybe another crossover at some point anytime Carl always the pleasure nice meeting you veto nice meeting you

My phone Larry I guess I didn't realize that you guys had not met before. I figured, you know, L.A. You were in some of the same circles, I guess. Right, right. Yeah, I guess that's what I would have thought. I don't leave my house. Is that one of the things.

What's that going to do for you? You make all your money on the internet. Why leave your house? It's a waste of time. Yeah, it really is. Especially in L.A. Where it's like, where are you going to go? Like two minutes up the road and then realize there's traffic and turn right back

around. Wow, there's one place you could go and that's the pick-wink pub. I got to talk about Senator John a little bit today. You guys don't mind. Of course. Of course. I mean, he's just saying some ridiculous shit. And I always enjoy it when he's talking about Republicans. And I'm care. They care about one thing money and power.

It's one of the funny things he's ever said in those one things. They care about one thing. Two things. They all think about that. They want the money power women. All right, so John had a tough night this past week. And I feel for him. This sounds like it was rough. I don't know if you heard about this veto, but man, he could have died. Had a really tough night last night. I took my son out to dinner, but I went to the gym like an idiot and worked out really too hard, that's

me though. First, here's this fat log going, that's just how I am. I just, I take things too. I work out way too hard. Like, obviously, a job, that's the problem. Yeah. Work out too hard. Okay. That's me though. First time back in a gym, I work out like crazy because you know, I got to do it for the ladies. And then go to the pub, have a pint, and then go pick up my son and then we'll go to have dinner. Wait a second, why is the bar the thing in between the gym and going to dinner with your son?

Yeah, that's bizarre, right? That undoes your workout pretty quickly. Why is the bar the thing in between the gym and going to dinner with your son? Yeah. That's bizarre, right? That undoes your workout pretty quickly, right? Well, he explains it was just the one pint. Don't worry, one pint is under the limit. Anyway, then someone pointed out that in the sub-rinos, somebody pointed out

that alcohol always have to tell you things that you already know. Just so you know, one pint is, you can still drive after you've had one pint of beer. Yeah, one, you know, you don't have to defend yourself but every, it makes me feel like maybe there was something else going on. You're like, no, it was just one, it was just one. But I meant to pop them starting to get all crazed and dizzy again. Same feeling I had on stage in Reno. Stop taking the colon up into two days, just two days. And boom, freaking symptoms. I'm like, haven't didn't want my son.

We want to tie up on my, my buddy, I'm not feeling right. Who calls to dinner and I hop? He took a sudden Is it Isn't that out of your wheel of consequences? I think so eating dinner and I Seriously, I didn't think that was open for dinner. I've never been in my fucking life dude I hop is like it's three o'clock in the morning. You're like, oh, yeah There's the only thing open right good. I hop it's not's three o'clock in the morning. You're like, oh yeah, this is the only thing open. Good. Good.

I hop. It's not a choice that you make willingly. What? You're probably gonna table at 7 p.m. I would imagine that's funny. He has a reservation. My fuck. He's like two from a one desk.

They're like, sir, there's nobody else in here. So wherever you would like. I said two from a one desk. I don't know who you talk, dude. We don't take reservations. It's the eye-op and a picture of who is like that. Just one picture. Yeah, just one.

I'm driving. On my, my buddy, I'm not feeling right, man. I gotta go to CVS and get to the freaking, I gotta get some new medication. It's weird, because I should be able to go four or five days without the clown of it. Now, I went like three or four before the symptoms hit in Reno. This was only two days.

It's only point five. It's like half of the Xanics, but I don't know. So I just drove to CVS. I got my clonipin. I got my fluvoxamine, took it, and within like 30, not even 30 minutes, I was completely fine. It's just amazing. So, you know, I already took my clonip in this morning,

I cannot go off this thing. Yeah, Dennis, it's clonipin withdrawal is horrible. I know, Nicky B, I can't. I know know I get it. I could have a seizure and die. Dr. Steve is in our discord right now. Dr. Steve, Kwanopin and alcohol. Is this a good combination? Do you know anything about this that you want to give us an update on? Let's see if he can come on real quick. What if I unmute you, Doc? I'm caught up in an alcohol. Yeah, I think that's a good. You think that's probably okay.

You're right. Yeah, that's normal. Hey, there he is. What's up, Dr. Steve? Hey, man. Yeah, I'm in the car. Sorry. Yeah, and that's not a good combination at all. It's like, what are the warning sites on the label? It's like one of the warning sites on the label. It's like to not have alcoholic beverages. Yes. Two central nervous system, you know, depressants together and not a good idea. Ben Zodaya has a piece of alcohol, country indicated together. That's what I thought.

But the thing is, he just drinks the course light to hydrate, so then it's fine. Oh, right. He's not even gonna drunk. I don't even get drunk. Except for all those times on the internet when he's not drunk. That's the only time I've ever gotten drunk. All right, thank you for your expertise, sir. I'll let you get back to driving your car. All right, you're welcome, man. All right, you're the best. Dr. Steve, calling from the trip to Walmart today.

So, he does talk about his boner pills. This is the other joy that he likes to take. Apparently all of his friends want to borrow his boner pills for some reason. I don't know what kind of life you live where you're asking your body for his boner pills, but what now? That's a weird thing to ask.

And it's not like I need them, but it's nice guy like that. Somebody wants dick pills for me, I give it to him. By the way, a lot of my friends need dick pills. Because that's just me. Oh, you know, we lose like 1% every year. But anyway, and it's not like I need them, but it does make it a hell of a lot better. It makes one a hell of a lot better. This guy's not getting laid. He talks about every time he goes out on a date,

we know he's not getting laid. And he's like, oh, I love my dick pills now. Like, were you jerking off with dick pills? Yeah, why would you, unless you're having sex, oh my God. And this is really funny because then he goes into a story about a date that he had and I'll let it play through and then I'll give you my analysis of it But I'll be interested to hear what you guys think about this Actually had a date

last night But it was getting so late. It was like 9 10 o'clock. I was out to since three and then it's just like, all right. And then and then we ate dinner. I don't know about you guys as soon as I eat dinner, I crash. I just fucking hit the wall. I'm like, all right, I got to go, which suck, because she was going to come over to. So I blew that one. I was just too tired. Well, I'll come to your house and and then we'll watch a movie. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm like, I'm, I'm, I'm, you know, I, you know, I got home. I just went straight to bed. I just had to.

So he could have had sex, but said he's a tired old man who ate dinner. So he didn't say that she was unattractive and he wasn't in the mood. She wanted to come back to his house and he said no. Yeah. Because they were out till nine. Mm-hmm. And he was two times. Right.

So I'll give you my analysis of this. He said, I had gone out at three. He went to pickwick at three o'clock knowing he had a date later that night. Got wasted, went out to dinner, continued to drink, and by the time dinner's over, he's a mess. And he has to go home and crash. time dinner's over, he's a mess, and he has to go home and crash. Oh, okay, so he went out at three in the afternoon. Yes. Okay, I, I, I know I,

I didn't understand it at first, he's like, so I'm like, wait, what is he talking about? Why is nine late? I don't even get it. He's like, well, I've been drinking for six hours. Like, okay, oh, no, I get it. Yeah. That would make sense.

What a loser. Yeah, why are you day drinking? What do you come on man? Did he know we had a date? He must have known he had a date He took out some pizza place Cause he said what the place was like Like a piano bar pizza place

Yeah, he's not fancy enough to take to the iHop That's for me and my son. That is awful. It's just so surprising to me that this guy would be that pathetic and then talk about it on his show. These are things I would keep a secret. You didn't have to talk about going out of date and then the girl wants to fuck you and you don't because you're too drunk.

Like you don't have to talk about that. Well, my name is not mentioned it right. Yeah, I think he thinks it's a humble brag to say I could have gotten laid, but I chose to just take care of myself and This is supposed to be a sloppy drunk. Yeah, yeah, I didn't get a good night sleep, right? Oh guy, I love it when he says shit like that. So funny. All right. So obviously the verdict came out on the Kyle Rittenhouse case. That came out yesterday and John was doing a show. So he was actually doing his shit on Hollywood show or whatever he's doing now. It's the non political show. But one of his moderators brought it up, so he had a acknowledge it.

I'll bet you luck, oh, thanks for the two bucks. No justice, no peace. We're doomed in this country. We are doomed. Singing in the rain, hopefully the civil suits will start rolling in against Kyle Rittenhouse. Now I'm not going to get to a political conversation about this, but how does anyone who's following that case think that it wasn't self-defense? I don't understand why there's teams on this one.

I don't know, man. It drives me up a wall. He shot a big pot of fouls. I think what it's going to put a fouls to is a lot of people made up their mind when they heard there was a shooting. And one of the guys, you know, one of these guys, the gun, a white guy, and they all these clearly guilty. And I don't even need to watch the video to be sure of it. You guys should not watch the video because I'm the self-defense and he shot a guy who fucked like five children in one day.

I don't understand how he's laughing about. It's like, I was talking about this with Dick. I'm like, you couldn't like pick a more comical. Like, well, who's the guy he shot? Oh, he's a guy who had sex with five kids. He's like, well, as much as I wanna like, you know, examine both sides, you really couldn't pick a worse guy to represent yours, you know. There's people protesting in Portland that have signs with that guy's picture out of it,

says hero. I'm not even making this up, that's how stupid these people are. They're like, this guy who fucked all the kids and then tried to attack this This 17 year old that's a hero To my own horn. Do you know of my Twitter fake news account? Victor the victory news network No

So I have like my own fake little The onion type thing that I just occasionally make up fake news stories. Nice. And what do you call it? Ben and Jerry's came out and they said, well, you know, this written house case blowblonde, they're a little hippie, whatever thing. So I made a post that said Ben and Jerry's is honoring Kyle written house shooting victim Joseph Rosenbaum with a new limited edition flavor. All profits from the sales of Rosenbaum's heroic hazelnight will be donated to black lives matter and I put that Had a heroic pedophile on a peda jerry's ice cream thing and I got a snopes snopes had to come out and be like no There's no pedophile ice cream from bad and Jerry. I'm like, yes, I made snopes baby

I made a snope, baby. That's awesome. Sorry, everybody. Wow, you can follow Victory Newsnet for some really stupid stuff from me. Nice, we'll definitely do that. That's fucking funny. Oh God, all right, so John does this thing called beer on the balcony.

And the beer on the balcony show was typically with gas usually comedian. Sometimes he does them so well in like a AMA style. And he finally had this guest on who used to work with Howard Stern and he had some interesting things that he said. So John decided, even though beer on the balcony is for the Patreon subscribers and the YouTube subscribers, people who give him money get this content exclusively. John decided that this one is going out to everyone. And by the way, I did do the beer on the balcony only for the Patreon people. I later, I made

it public only because of the revelations that Chelsea was saying about Howard Stern. So I figured it might get some news that all, you know, that might help the show at some point or help the subscriptions, just like how it was saying. But for the most part, all beer and the balconies are only for my patron on people and my YouTube people. So we find he has a good episode. He's like, well, this one's free.

The ones that people pay for are the shitty ones that won't get me any traction at all. But this one is actually good that my people might actually enjoy. Yeah, I'm putting that out there. Yeah. Okay. Interesting. Guys got podcasting down to a science. He really knows how to monetize it, doesn't he?

Yeah. You know what they want, the bad episodes. That's what you're paying for. That's what you pay for. I want the ones that aren't good enough to put on regular YouTube. So then another way that he makes money is by trolls paying him to insult him.

And for some reason he's gleeful about this. I wouldn't be personally, but that we're glad he is though. Oh, look, look, a guy's paying to troll me. John's mom raised a failure. Thanks for the 279. Where's the turn he ever? Look at this guy. You know what?

I wish the trolls would get their own podcast and then we control them You know what they're gonna pay me to troll me be my guest. I don't care. I mean that's the dumbest troll you'll ever get a fine Not really. It's kind of funny John's mom raised a failure that like stuttering John gets a pension Whatever for you two Pudges this man has money, right? I should I don't know if he's able to cash it on his pension yet Okay, well, I just the idea that like cuz you know you don't have to read the two seventy five donation

You can just go you know, I'm gonna ignore this one that shits on me What's supposed to be a moment his attorney as Michael Polpock, is on the show with them, and it says like worst attorney ever, he reads that to Michael Polpock. Who wouldn't even see it? Yeah. But he feels the need to do that. Right.

Such a damn spot. And my chat's being mean to you. Oh, thanks. Thanks for letting me know. Yeah. That really helps me out. And he's like celebrating $2.79 to read this thing. Yeah, oh, you get $2.79, I got you now, motherfucker.

Like dude, come on. This is not a good thing for you. I really get it. Chad, you're a bad loser. I got you, motherfucker now. All right. Yeah. All right, and then the other thing

that people do to fuck with Jon is they call his friends with his phone number Honestly, Vito, this is a level of trolling well beyond my realm I don't know how you spoof people's numbers and how you find all their friends numbers on their phone Whatever I would this has happened to me before too, but Apparently someone was calling Hail Sparks using John's phone number, and Hal is on there going, hey man, by the way, just so you know, I think you butt dialed me because you called me

and when I picked up, I could hear you doing your show. And what John should have said in this scenario, just throwing it out there, yeah, well, I don't know, that's fucking weird, sorry about that. It's sad, he goes on to explain how everyone's trolling him all the time. Hal Sp? What's up brother? See it really was me. You really did butt down me. My phone rang and then it was you and then it started. It's not me. How? How? You was you doing your show? No, no, I had to tell you. Okay. Somebody must have

you a number because the trolls will call you from my number. So it looks like it's mine. Like they call my ex-wife with my number and they looks like it's mine. Like they call my ex-wife with my number and they call me with her number. Like they call my moderator, Nikki with my number so she thinks it's me and they call me with her number. It's some fucking app. But I checked my phone. I didn't call you. Okay. All right. Well at the very least I bladder reached out Like why give up all that information and you know what else you could do as you could call my mom and my moderator and fuck with them I don't know you need to tell everybody does also does sound like yeah You just butt dialed him because why would someone prank call him and then play your show in the background?

It doesn't make any sense. Like, that's a terrible prank call. It's not a great one. Yeah, I don't think that's what happened. The last clip I have here, and this was on the DaBor's anonymous sub-route. I think it might have been on our sub-route as well. Now, John is obviously very far left.

I don't know if he's far a lot, but he's a Democrat. I think those are two different things. He is very much in the Democratic Party. And so, of course, those are the bleeding hearts, right? I mean, Vito, you have a background in this, right? You know about this. People in the Democratic Party, the ones who care about people.

We're very caring. Very caring. You're concerned about everyone in society. You don't wanna see, you know, the Democratic Party, the ones who care about people. We're very caring. Very caring. You're concerned about everyone in society. You don't want to see, you know, the billionaires, the millionaires and the billionaires control society. And, and, and John has that same political leaning. Rupert Murdoch, fuck you. You Aussie prick.

You 90 year old die. Seriously, I never was deaf on anybody. You, it would be comforting because you don't give a shit about the lives of Americans. You don't care. T Carlson died. Jesus Christ. I never wished death at anyone, but Tucker Carlson and Rupert Murdock. Well, yeah, because it doesn't come off. It's tough. It just sounds pathetic. Die. Oh, die.

Okay, man. You got any complex thoughts about that? Die. What the dead? Like a very good dude. His political discourse. Okay, man, you got like any like complex thoughts about that die. I want them dead His political discourse that is so Political mind. Why don't you tell me what they did and articulate what I die you fucking die So Vita what have we done today? We've done it all my friend Australian. Oh boy. Yeah. So Vita, what have we done today?

We've done it all, my friend. We've done it all, my friend. We talked about a meco in television console. Wow. We learned a lot of that today, didn't we? A lot. It's a deep topic, man. It's a deep dive.

My poor wife was sitting behind me last night and the s'more as I'm watching these shows. And she's like, what the fuck are these nerds talking about? I'm like, I know. I didn't even know how to like, how did approach this topic with you? Because I'm like, it's just, it's expansive. The amount of drama and insanity and this tiny little sphere. Yeah. Yeah, that was something else. We learned about the Chaluminati who features one of your buddies on that shot. The great-

Greg unfolded me on Twitter. Yeah, it's a fucking The great Larry Blinder joined us to talk about staying alive with technology. We chatted up stuttering John So you know what that means it's time for everybody's favorite part of the show. Next weekend is Thanksgiving holiday weekend. And do you think we're taking off? No. We're put out a brand new episode for you and I'm excited about it. We're so excited to be back and jamming with you. We've had a couple weeks since we've seen each other

and their energy is palpable in the studio, frankly. There is chemistry here, folks. We are feeling it hot and heavy. Oh, hot and heavy. Speaking of hot and heavy, we've got some fantastic people that we need to thank today because we have more Patreon subscribers. Thanks guys. Thank you so much.

We love our patrons. All right, so that is the show, Stonerchicks, that we've been talking about for a while. And here's the deal for this next show. We're going to have Groach, Andy, Vinnie, producer Chris, all here in studio. We're going to do another one of these episodes where everyone brings a podcast It's a contest episode the listeners vote on who brought the worst podcast So I'm gonna bring stoner chicks everyone brings their own show and presents it to the class little show and tell If you will and then now we'll leave it up to the listeners on who brought the worst

It's just a fun thing to do. We don't do it enough. I feel like. Agreed. It's exciting. Do you have a title for this bit yet? I call it showing time. You have to give it a show and tell the show and tell extravaganza. Thanksgiving extravaganza. Oh, that all right. You're right.

I have to work and thanksgiving and doing it. I want to say the turkey day show itself throw down in 2021. No, no, no, it's gonna be called listeners should be thanking me for giving you so much. Is it what we're gonna call it? Is that not the spirit of the holidays? It's a lot of car. Ha, ha, ha, ha.

By the way, someone in the discord asked if we're doing patty seecups, I will say that when we did the bonus cross of which I'm gonna put out momentarily when we did the bonus crossovers, I'm gonna put out momentarily, I did the bonus crossover with the Dixho this week. We started going through his 20 minute standup set. The one that he did over the COVID lockdowns where he's by himself with a weird music

in the background. And we went to like the first five minutes of that. So that was fun. We're gonna continue of that. So that's that was fun. We're going to continue doing that stuff. That's what we hear that over on the DIC show. You'll also be able to hear it if you subscribe to the DIC show. That's correct. Oh, fantastic.

Well, Vito, thank you so much for coming on. I really appreciate it. Of course, as I mentioned before, Vito is one half of the biggest problem, the universe biggest problem, Show, you guys have a Patreon where you put out bonus episodes. Yeah, yeah. Patreon.com slash biggest problem. But check out the show itself biggest problem. That show it's good show. It's a great.

Been enjoying it. It's also on YouTube if you watch the video feed. I of course, you check out my YouTube channel, YouTube.com slash Vito, that Netflix protest thing is Pretty interesting man. It's pretty fucking hilarious. It's fun. It's it's good you guys have I don't know how you're able to get all the camera angles that you did on there But you have pretty good coverage A couple a couple people gave us their footage. I mean because I didn't have footage of dickhead in his head cracked in. Luckily just some guy who was there was like, hey, I got that on film.

I'm really going to go, let me get it. That's evidence at this point. So if you want to see dick with a big head wound, we've got the exclusive. He does get smashed pretty hard. It's funny. I even told him it's fun. Right after it happened, I was talking to him.

I forget what I was talking to him about for what reason or whatever and He was talking about like yeah, man. I'm just out of it my head hurts And I thought it was kind of like an act and I get a lawsuit going or something, but he wasn't shitting He was Something you know, we had like a little he told me a little story right? We had like a little conversation like I said a thing He said a thing it said, a thing.

It was a personal detail, so I won't say what it was. Then the next day I come to him, and I go, yeah, because you know that thing I told you about my father. And he goes, oh, yeah, really? Because my father blah, blah, blah. And I go, yeah, I know, we had this exact conversation yesterday about our fathers. But he literally said, lying for lying,

the same shitty it said to me the day before. And and he was like I have no recollection of that whatsoever. That's not like him. Hopefully he's better now. Yeah, he's usually a pretty quick-witted guy. Right. Whatever his brain goes, I'll take control of the show and he'll find a, you can listen to him, drool. You're already taking over the show. I'm sure. I'm trying to do that too. It didn't work out well for him to see it all. No, it didn't end up working out. Man, so many, so many cautionary tales. I'm fine. I'm actually catching up on Mad Xtrauma because I was not around for any of that. Yeah, it's finally digging into it.

And you're like, you kind of want to go back in time and shake that guy and be like, man, just stop, just stop. This doesn't end well for you. Were you a Maddox fan before Biggest Problem? Yeah, at the same time anyone else was. I mean you read his website. That's the funniest thing is anytime I talk to people, I go yeah, I'm doing a podcast that used to be done by this guy Maddox and they're like, oh that page, it makes fun of kids, our work and shit. I'm like yeah, you know anything else about that guy? The guy assumed he's dead. And he's like, no, no, they're like, wasn't that the 50 years ago? You're like, yeah, well, he's still out there. He's just kind of lost his mind. And who knows? Maybe what we're listening to right now with the biggest problem will also become

a really weird awkward thing where you and Dick have a huge falling out. Yeah. And we're all part of a dirty thinking bats on when I will betray dick, not if, but when. Yeah, when you're going to sleep with one in our bedding pool, yeah, who's he going to sleep with? Who am I going to sleep with? Right. We're going to figure it out. Alright, well, Vita, I'll let you go, buddy. Thanks so much for your time today. Good talking. Thanks for having me, both brother. Alright, Mal, talk to you. Please join us again next week.

It might be the episode of Refinite Once a For All. Who are these podcasts? Sleep well, everypony. Starting in the must-vis of Morning Radio. And now to show these clothes right now. OK. Great show. Good job, everybody.

Great job, everyone. I can't fucking take it! It's boring as shit! No! No fucking way! You know, who are these? Podcasts. I don't know. I don't get it. It makes no sense. So I asked Vic, because Vic was on earlier. I asked Vic if she was gonna come back and read some reviews.

She says, I'm having bowel issues. And you know what? I fucked up. I didn't realize that Vic had already gotten married. The last time she was on him, we talked, where she had just gotten hitched. We didn't bring it up. Yeah.

I thought she wasn't getting married until December hitched. We didn't bring it up. Yeah. I thought she wasn't getting married until December, but apparently they couldn't wait any longer. This is, it's got to be a scam. Yeah. It's weird. People get married before their wedding. Some bovine related scam. We suspicious the best sort of thing.

A man marrying a cow. Really? Something's up with that. All right, let's listen to VoiceMales real quick. Let's get through this segment of the show. Where we get your feedback? Yeah, Carl, you were a really good point about those broads, man, you were grad students.

Why would anyone want a dental plan? Why would anyone want to get their teeth fixed? All right, sir. I get your joke Everyone's a fucking comedian, huh? All right These calm units feminist they they're missing like It's fascinating. All they have to do is not work. They don't have to work seminists they they're missing uh... it's fencing all they have to do is not work they don't have to work this is a three-fucking pretty or uh... charming or uh... pleasant to be around just nice you know

and a man will just take care of them that's what's supposed to be women are supposed to fucking working career jobs ever in their life that fucking little retard girl brain can't fucking handle the stress of an actual job.

They have no idea how to manage their own time. They can't do fucking anything good. It's all sub-park quality. With his fucking suck it working, why the fuck can't he dumb-tunned? Figure out that, oh, shit. Traditional life going to the Bible is probably like, it's probably a path I want, you know? Like the hardest thing I have to do is raise my fucking kid or could that be

i like to memorize one kid's name maybe two uh... that and i get to be a bitch my husband all the time because of my title and the woman good god is women suck fuck these times fuck women time up politics

nobody wants to hear that shit sorry for going over 45 seconds. Was that Gavin McGinnis? I didn't know he was a fan of the show. Holy shit. It's all right. Wow. I mean, he does bring up a couple of good points there. It just be pleasant to be around and someone will buy dinner for you. You don't have to work so fucking hard. If you don't want to memorize other names of your students. Which also, by the way, I've been to college. other names of your students, which also by the way, I've been the college. Professors don't memorize the names of their students. That's actually not a thing that you have to do. She's thinking about elementary school. Yeah, right.

Hey, she called and guessed it a week. I listened to the latest episode and with the shameless and Patrick Michael telling his jokes I I think this was a wrong because I can't stop watching He doesn't know what a breakfast sausage tastes like because he says This breakfast sausage is like He's fucking cold heart song. And he fucking told, he talks about a, you never see cars being sold in a garage.

Yeah, you also don't see fucking garages being sold in a garage. I don't think that. I'm so down. I don't even know how to say that. You guys punching up his jokes and actually it's funnier. Yeah. Some garages in a garage sale. Yeah. That new segment coming up.

Punching up Patrick Michael. Get over here you. That guy called back and asked about we were talking about him beating up a child He's like was everyone bonus episode. Yes, it was There was a whole discussion about that bonus episode true story Like hey Carl like I was just wondering like can you could I be your plus one to VIX wedding? Oh my god. I would love To be your plus one to VIX wedding. I will totally dance with you and I won't get too drunk. I promise Okay, call it back smooches. Okay guys. I'm not gonna get too drunk. I doubt it sir. I've never seen that but I

Might take you up on it. Jen from the General Department test positive can't just stupidity. First she married a bucktooth club footed half a bag named Carl. Then she gets double jabs with an experimental synthetic cap. Ah, I fucked it up. All right, you win. I win.

You won't try again, sir. Try again. Round two. Jennifer the Jingles Department has the positive. The epistuptivity. First, she married some football, clubfooted half a bag named Carl. Then she gets double jabbed on experimental synthetic chemical, half the gym producing gene therapy, and then get coronavirus anyway. Okay, 99.74 recovery rate for coronavirus. Seven, eight, nine, ten, three minutes for it. Why the fuck would you get the jab? Like I said, just so peacefully dumb.

What the hell does that for there? All right, I'll give Jennifer the New York Department your message, sir. We have to do that. My room records called into the show. Hey, Carl. I got back from a surgical slash medical appointment with my daughter the other day,

where they had to do a, basically, an MRI MRI where they injected a radioactive isotope into her to track its progress. And when they told me that's what they were going to do, I thought of you, buddy. Love ya. Call me back. Interesting. Maybe we should start a band called prostate cancer. If you would think about it all the time. Interesting maybe we should start a band called prostate cancer

Give it to me straight doc. I love that bad Hey Barack Obama caught back in it's been a little while finally. I know why he's busy, but he still listens to the show which is good to hear Hey Carl. It's Barack Obama. Sorry. I haven't called in a while. It's just been hanging out wearing leather jackets and drinking tequila in America's national parks with Bruce Springsteen. Sweet. Of course in between recording podcasts and writing books about everything that annoys people about democrats.

So I decided to spend five dollars of the hard earned millions I've made from this venture on your Patreon. In fact, I'm scrolling through it now. I have to say this is just a feed of utter shit. What? I mean, who would spend money on this? It's just one bad show after another until, wait a second, what do we have here? Oh boy, I gotta go. I gotta go I gotta inspect these pictures Gotta take a close look anyways, they out of crows

Don't call me back. All right, Brad. I have a bunch of those pictures out there See everyone finds something that makes it worth it. I didn't even know they made sound I don't pay John Yeah, it's the joke All right, well that was a lot of fun today. We learned a lot about video games. Yeah, didn't we? Well, kind of. Where's your biggest takeaway? I was out quizzing you at the end of the show.

I got a me code. Alright. Jesus, I gotta go. This is getting stupid. Bye guys. What's with the dancing around the shit? I stink, you hate me. Great. Goodbye. with the dancing around the shit? I stink you hate me great. Goodbye Okay, folks

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