Who Are These Podcasts? - Ep570 - The GUD PUD Pudcast

Episode Date: November 14, 2024

Henry and Jackie Zebrowski are doing a spin-off show from The Last Podcast on the Left. Rather than laugh about true crime, on this show they talk about pudding. And don’t mention yogurt, they get very upset when you mention yogurt. I don’t want to know anyone who finds this funny or entertaining.  Erik Nagel joins the show to help us break down why LA improv is so bad. Brian Karem is still doing a show with Stuttering John and no one can figure out why. Darren Paltrowitz joins us to take a look back at the time David Lee Roth was given a hugely lucrative radio contract after Howard Stern left for satellite radio. Mumbling Nick comes on to discuss Stuttering John’s attempt to wreck his life and we discuss the legality of getting a PI to investigate someone for the purpose of doxxing and harassing them. Cardiff and Annie join the show as we play another round of To Poke A Dabbler. And we wrap up with the teaser, a recent review, and your voicemails.  Erik Nagel – https://itseriknagel.com/ Darren’s show – https://paltrocast.com/  Cardiff’s channel - https://rumble.com/c/CardiffElectric  Annie’s channel - https://www.youtube.com/@whats-this-game  Support us, get bonus episodes, and watch live every Saturday and Wednesday: http://bit.ly/watp-patreon https://watp.supercast.tech/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And I thought that was like part of the shtick, but I think that's actually real. They're twin in body shape They're definitely not in face or hair color. Yeah, I mean, there's other ways to be twins. Yeah. But that's- Are they? Okay. It's a brother and sister. And- Low center of gravity is what I'm saying. I hear you.

If you don't know Henry Zabrowski as he's been featured on the show before, he is an American actor, podcast, social comedian, known for his work on the Adult Swim series, Your Pretty Face is Going to Hell, the NBC series Heroes Reborn and the podcast, the last podcast on the left. And if you remember, the last podcast on the left

is a show that fired Ben Kissel because of allegations of domestic violence and emotional abuse. So they're like, get out of here, gotta go. And I hate when shows do that because a lot of these times, these guys get accused by someone who's upset with them at the time, and then they lose their entire careers. I'm Justin Royland and you go. Oh that sucks

That was a thing that I liked and now they can't do that anymore Yeah, it was it was all happening around the same time to like 2019 going into the the pandemic where I remember Ben got let go What was there some screen rants that had to fire somebody pretty famously from their company. Justin Roiland's thing happened. And then the silent ones that you haven't seen much more publicly, like the creator of Buffy. Josh Whedon had something and now Neil Gaiman's got something. It just seems to be the thing that happens in Hollywood.

If you're not a pedo, you're beating up somebody. Well, it doesn't help that Gavin Newsom's like, hey, everybody stay in your house with your partner forever. Let's see what happens. Like, oh, we're gonna get each other's nerves. That's the problem. Immediately. Yes, you didn't know that was gonna happen?

Come on. Well, you stay in your apartment. I'm going to a fancy party at a French restaurant up near wine country, because I'm allowed to do that. Of course, a very important fancy dinner because of someone's birthday, you know, how important those things are. Yeah. So let me explain the origin of the show and then we'll get right into it.

Apparently there was an episode a while back where Henry mentioned he had a really good banana pudding at a restaurant. This is according to what somebody posted in their subreddit, the last podcast on the left subreddit So I'm this is like a spin-off from last podcast on the left So he talked about this really good band of pudding which led to a rant about Pudding and how he should host a show called good pud where he reviews pudding and then it turned into Good good pud. I don't even know how to pronounce this stupid hood like short for pudding Yeah, pud good pud with his sister Jackie and Jackie

Was the head manager at a bakery that she was going to? Take over and run and then her brother's like hey, I know you're really funny Why don't you do this podcast thing with me? Thanks a lot for that. I have a feeling she's probably a better baker than she is comic, but let's get right into it. Show some clips, see what we're talking about with this show that's all about pudding and how hilarious that can be. This is how the most recent episode started off. Oh It's got a So he's gonna if you don't put something up in the chat he's gonna come to your house. He's gonna put his balls on your stove to ruin dinner. I Bet he didn't write that down. I had a time. I

Bet that's right off the dome These guys obviously masters of the art of improv. Yes Very much so so this very much is not I'm not surprised this guy used to work for Adult Swim. It reminds me very much of like Tim and Eric. This is one of those little interstitial bits that they make when an episode was too short. So they had to put something else on for a couple minutes to get it to the top of the hour that they thought we should just keep going. So instead of doing the yes and it's never stop moving or saying something, it will all be gold until we hit the one hour mark. Yes and infinity is the name of my new documentary series about horrible improv shows.

All right, let me just play this because you know, you heard him talk about a flute. So that leads to these hilarious flute jokes. I mean the improv here is just masterful. I can make my own flute. Nobody wants you to be to own kind of flute Yeah, weirdly enough. I think your head's too small to play the flute why I think that you need a larger head. I think that your lips are too thin Do you think I'll get sucked into the flute?

Dane flu lips I think they're perfect for fluting Aurora Floyd says Henry francais. So there's a lot of like quick zoom ins and zoom outs They're trying to create chaos even the backgrounds moving around a lot and it's almost this thing It's like look at how unfunny we are isn't that funny Is it amazing how unfunny we can be about like the I'm gonna get sucked into the flute because of my lips, right? The whole concept is like let's act like we're like we're really tripping out like we're on mushrooms or something Let's just pretend we're doing that it would be funnier if they actually just took the mushrooms and turned the camera on and whatever Happened would have been better than what they're trying to what if I took the mushrooms that would be better as well I that's you I did take mushrooms in Detroit and watched some

Sid and Marty Croft shows and it's this is edited the exact same fucking way. You're right. It actually is going back to, because I was thinking like Tom Green and how that kind of led to this style, but you're right, this goes back to the 70s. Where it's just like trippy for the sake of being trippy. Oh, and it's all nonsense.

Even for six year olds. Yeah, but they didn't care. Like, well we're tripping, so it doesn't matter. But it's also this thing where it's like irreverent for the point of being irreverent. You know, like, wow, isn't this weird that we don't say anything or do anything? And it's something that we discovered when we did Tim Hedekers' podcast. And we got a lot of people reaching out who are fans of Tim. And the problem is, it's like, those guys can make good skits and they can be silly

or whatever and it can be silly or whatever, and it could be entertaining when you mix improv with that style. It just becomes embarrassingly bad. It's also a very LA thing. I mean, there's improv in New York and Chicago, but they don't get the type of attention online in the reach that the LA improv people seem to get just because they're in LA. Like a lot of podcasts are famous because they're just in L.A. not because they're actually good. Yes.

When people come from, and this isn't even like groundlings style improv, this is the people who couldn't get into the groundlings style improv that just put weird shit up online and because they're in L.A. somebody boosts it once for them, now it's on people's algorithms and they're like, oh see how great this is It's it's everywhere. Everyone's watching it. So it's got 6,000 views. It's not doing that. Well, right? Yeah Not what you think it is. This show is not doing that

Well, despite the star power they have behind it last podcast on the left is a big channel. It's up on their channel So it's getting pushed out to a lot of people and one of the bits they do one of the recurring bits they do Because they're into pudding they don't like yogurt Wow, it gets wild if somebody brings up they like yogurt they lose their minds about it. This is clothing I'm an influencer and I need everybody to know it. I'm just all influencing my brother moment by moment Wait a second El Condor pasta 69 says yogurt is good Don't think so. These two fuck right? I hope not.

I would not want to see what that looks like. It just seems like this is the only explanation to why they're acting like this. Well you have to understand it's not funny if you just go ah we don't like yogurt. You gotta get like extra fired up about it. Be like wow you bring up yogurt and drive those bonkers. I. I know can't contain ourselves and then they do contain themselves. Look, there's only one one instance of good pudding humor and that's the $240 worth of pudding sketch from the state outside of that No one can top anything with should have ended pudding joke should have ended with that one in the night at 94. Yes. All right

Well, there's a call back here Because for whatever reason we're talking about Henry's legs and this is just nonsensical Moronic shit mime life really has some legs and I think they're right down there Yeah, I have legs Show them off Henry show them off Henry. Oh not the knees Henry You know what happens when you show the knees Oh, no, what if that's where he keeps his yogurt you better not I don't have yogurt Jackie

How fucking dare you all right? Well, we're getting off topic. Okay, okay. They are fucking yeah See, I'm convinced now these two are definitely fucking that's really gross. They do make mentions and maybe it's in one of your clips, but it I Told you before the show and we didn't say it on here. It's hard to figure out clips to edit for this show because it's the Drop the needle theory. Yeah, it's all just nonsense all the way through. We've done other improv stuff and you could find little segments and pull it and say, look, this is why this didn't work. This is why it's terrible here. There's no start and end. There's no way to pull something to even give it any kind of context. It's just,

it's never stopped Robin Williams train of consciousness kind of nonsense. It's not going to grow on you once you discover the war. You're like, oh, so they don't don't like yogurt. OK, all right. Now I'm getting it. Right. You're seeing a theme, a story being told. No, they're just whatever comes into their head, comes, you know, diarering out their mouth. But they do mention a lot incestual relationships. And it's not just this episode.

I went to another episode and that caught that comment that joke Constantly comes up in their content together They fuck Jenny Jenny Gerber I guess is this a podcast or YouTube stream? well funny you ask because I was looking at the comments underneath this episode of the the one that we're watching right now and Listen to what people are saying under the comments we're watching right now. And listen to what people are saying under the comments. Every podcast, whether on YouTube or my podcast app, is 30 to 90 minutes of pure, unblemished joy for my soul, thanks to the Sabrosky twins.

They're paying for an engagement. Here's another one. So I haven't seen anything outside of the last podcast on the left and a couple of side stories. After seeing this, Jackie is my new favorite person. I got to experience coffee coming out of my nose thanks to this episode. Somebody writes someone else says as long as I have a good put in my life, nothing else matters. Someone else says, wait, I thought we're only getting the podcast now. Yay. And then this person goes, be your own kind of flute zebrowski hive mind 2024 People are into it. Do you think that they're buying these these comments underneath buying it or these are their friends from other in pop groups that Aren't doing anything either and like look if you put a bunch of comments for us. We'll put a bunch of comments on your channel

It's like a trade-off in exchange if you will because none of those comments even seem like bot comments. You can tell a bot comment on things. These are people faking enthusiasm about this product and doing it willingly. Eric, I think there's people who think this is funny because there's people who are humorless, who don't understand how jokes work, and they just see they're making faces and zooming in, there's noises and sound effects Like this is really entertaining Anyone could do this. Oh, let me tell you something guys anyone I mean you have to embarrass yourself and not be able to talk to your friends or family anymore

But you could do this if you want to do this is not difficult. It's all nonsense all the time Let's go back to the very first episode see what they were up to when they first launched this hunk of shit the very first episode see what they were up to when they first launched this hunk of shit you mother fuckers is ready to put who's ready to put yes i've just been singing this is what which actually no that was done by the famous pudding artist Hillary put well, I think how dare you well welcome to good put Sure, we start. I'm gonna see so I see some puts in chat. I see puts in what's up Everybody puts in chat live in large Speaking of large I do want to talk about have you seen this are you pointing at me? No speaking of large no general I'm just me did everybody see it

You are quite large Jackie. We'll get into that I have some some other videos we can see more than just the Clean job even yeah, I was gonna say even the cleavage isn't helping me You could tell like you're looking at it real quick, and you go yeah The content is just too terrible for me to even enjoy that also Remember when you have to wear silly clothing, like, what's like, it's even funnier. I have a pizza hat, that nuts, like yeah, wow.

It's crazy. I'm innocent. They're making new mattresses for big people. Thank, where have, and I also, also next up and there should. It's still long. It takes the wheels to turn in this dummy's head to figure out where to go with that. This is the first thing to happen the first episode. So he goes, they're making mattresses for big people.

Watch this woman's reaction again. She is so slow on the draw. People think where have and I also next up and there should be Airplanes for big people as well Yep, but they are the airplane they are then we all ride on the back Okay one look at what's hanging under her right arm there To this wasn't it went from improv, that gap was real life realization hitting. And she goes,

cause she just faked outrage that he made a big person comment and pointed at her. Now he's like, they're making mattresses for big people. And she's like, wait, I need a mattress for, I'm a big person. Yeah, yeah she goes, oh thank God it's about time, what about airplanes? These California king beds are just not doing it for me

Yeah, look at that It's not great. It looks like the old Bugs Bunny cartoon when he doesn't have a muscle It just makes a you like he's just hitting their baton and around a little bit. Yeah, it's like what's that our jet flexes I know And the fact that they go what about an airplane for a big person and they go what if the big person is the airplane? Brilliant. Yeah, why even write stuff down? That's great. You guys are you guys are nailing this one alright, let's find out the actual basic premise of the show because they do talk about this first episode and We'll learn what they're up to what the goal is We're against Hollywood, but you're either for us or you're against and if you're not for us you might as well be fucking dead

You might as well be a corpse as far as I'm concerned All right, but not only we yeah sure Hollywood has shunned us in many ways But we're trying to get back in and a part of that is Angling our presence bringing something to the scene that other people's cannot do and what can we do we can bring putting? something to the scene that other people's cannot do and what can we do? We can bring pudding content to the internet and then therefore to Hollywood around the back because it's the one food that I have yet to see fully criminalized. What's going on put in the chat? I think that we could totally get Hollywood changed to Hollywood by the end of the year.

Great stuff. So they're taking Eric Andre's legalized ranch nonsense and saying, Oh, this is the one thing that hasn't that needs to be criminalized or hasn't been criminalized or something like that. It's just, we're talking about pudding. Yeah, not ranch. That's a dressing pudding. Totally different. It's totally different. Come on guys. Obviously.

They've got, they gotta be rich kids. Yes. They have to be rich kids or pretty well off because they seem like they're maybe Valley kids or something. They're LA Somewhere LA area here and they're saying we're trying to get into Hollywood or back into Hollywood Well, Henry had some ties into Hollywood like he was doing appearances and yeah in another things And this is a joke though. Yeah I think they're masking this awful humor and revealing a lot of actual facts about their life. It's very possible Very very possible because yeah, I don't think adults comes calling these days

All right. Well, let me play this clip because obviously we're talking about pudding. Do they ever eat pudding? The answer is yes She looks it That's not stop putting eating so they have different puddings they're gonna try and they're blindfolded they don't know which puddings in which and they try some and some are good and then there's this Caesar salad flavored pudding and this leads to whole clarity everybody she's trying it okay. I'm trying with the crouton. That's good That's good good

This is before they knew they should be yelling at non-stop and always making noises They're actually slowing down. We can't have we can't have any dead air. Yeah, there's a lot of dead hair in this clip I can't have any dead air. We're different 10 episodes of cow Come on come on you like it It's good with the crouton that's good Why don't you like it was so much of, there was so much of it on the spoon. Wally0237 is saying like, the person who gifted 10 subs was like, what is this show? Really funny.

Good Bud. You don't like that? I don't like it. Jackie! I don't really, it's like eating even thicker, it's like gravy Caesar salad dressing. So it's really really thick, it's inside, it's coated the whole entire inside of my mouth. It's globbed down.

Yeah, yeah right. You know what else has that consistency? It's pudding. You don't understand, it's pudding. The consistency of it. You can also isolate that and use that out of context. That's true It's like it's just glazing inside of my mouth. You're not eating it right?

How do I eat it? Use your teeth? But there was just so much on it. I don't know I can't believe Henry you ate half of a cup of This see this out. Don't eat anymore Henry Zabrroski don't you oh come on oh my god i actively like it so that's uh one of the gimmicks they do is they eat food that's gross let me read you some of the comments well before you do that the other gimmick they do at least in this early episode, is they have to punch the joke every time, like what radio used to do when the radio jocks would hit a punch line, they'd hit the sweeper to go to break other podcasts, they just hit a sound effect all the time to emphasize, I just made a comment that means something. That's what was happening here. Exactly. You're

getting that kind of thing Whenever there's a too long of a pause or where she makes a weird face hit the quick intro and outro real quick and ADD style sounder in programming yeah birdie birdie birdie 566 says I'm glad about the only one who becomes a feral person when they hang out with their brother. I Never thought they looked related until now the mannerisms of vocals are identical love this Here's another one. I can't believe these a browski's got me to watch over an hour putting content left my ass off legends You know what I'm realizing is I'm reading these comments we were talking about I must be their friends not real people it's women

It's really watching this is wild. It's all the ones that lost the election and this is their escape They're trying to feel better about their arms, right? Well, so you just saw how she was able to improv when she had the Caesar salad pudding well I found a video from four years ago she was on the AV Club and she used to be on this other podcast doesn't matter and so she's on there as a guest and they are drinking Malort. So they're doing this thing where they're showing pictures of famous cats. If you can't name the cat you have to do a shot of Malort which I believe I did when

we did our live show in Chicago right? Didn't someone make me drink that during the show? Not make me. I was like fine. Give me that. Didn't someone make me drink that during the show not make me I was like fine Pass that one to Chris no, I will now this one's my tip so this is Again, she comes up with it. She's so witty. I'm really glad she's not a baker anymore because we really need this comedy in our lives in our lives oh

alright guys, this is my first of a lord oh my god yeah, and she's, I mean, maybe she's lost some weight I don't know I wish she's had the biggest bones wow and everyone around her has the smallest bones then she should just do product placement on her

let's hope I don't ah I Hope I don't You didn't finish oh my god, it's so spicy These like pickles without the pickle Why is it burnt High concentration of alcohol Burn like this. What is that? You know what it was it feels like after you've thrown up and it's like the left over bile That's in your mouth and also feels like bile in your mouth as someone that has I get agit a lot

I feel like that's what it is. So give a lot. Yeah, she's giving it to me She's gonna come with something funny to say about this. It's odd I'm distracted by her specialty made gold sneakers that had to be custom fit to to her size It's almost like those aroundenix. You think they actually built those around her foot? They're made of concrete. I wish. Let's go swimming. Ha ha ha ha.

Shots. Do you feel seen? Oh my god. Because it tastes like your ojeda. I do. How does everyone feel? With my, this is gonna be, now you'll see what I go through when I say I got ojeda.

People go, what does that mean? What's that word? Sounds cultural. You know what it is. Because I eat greasy meats. What does that mean? What's that word sounds cultural? You know what it is cuz I eat greasy meats shocking You know how you're always saying that to sit on a couch. Yeah, she looks like she is and they're in chairs You're right, it's not good. Can you stop slouching it has it has one of those posture backs, right? You can't move Can you stop slouching it has it has one of those posture backs that you can't move

And she's still found a way Erica cat just came on the screen which is gonna be the next one they have to guess Can you tell us the answer to that one? It's ruining a Simpsons reference already Can you tell us the answer to this one? What cat that it what the name of that cat is? Snowball to very good. I've got it. I was kind of disappointed So then she misses another one later and has to do another shot now you heard her hilarious comedy the first time Let's see she comes up with different things The next time she drinks a shot. I've got a little bit of malort left. Yeah, so I'll finish him. I have enough. I got half a shot here

I did have and I feel like the second one is gonna have a different mouth feel so let's hear the description I'm excited I'm so sorry Oh You finished it look at you see the things I feel like you're not making mention of the Like the pickles I feel because without pickles I didn't get a little just at the first time Pickles are pickles isn't terrible like you don't sit there and drink a whole jar of brine But if you accidentally drink a tiny bit of brine or like at the bar pickle back shot, it's perfectly fine. It's not disgusting

True, it's delicious. It is she used the same thing. He's like guys. It's like pickles out the picker like yeah, uh-huh Okay, good stuff. Thanks. She's reading reading they forgot to change the cue cards off the side So she doesn't know how to this point She's the large friend in every theater group. Yep That's out there that can't get past their glory days of college that they still get together and she's no cuz she's the wild and crazy One we never know what Karen's going to say She's a friend that no, but she's loud

She's loud. she dresses all outrageous, she has rainbow tutus, and she cries all the time. All right, let's get back to the most recent episode because there's another segment that actually go in and start reading the news. And so you're like, okay, good, we can get a news story, maybe riff on that, make that funny. What Jaden Smith, right right he came out and he admitted is that while we all thought he was being weird

As a matter of fact, he was just trying to fit in he was just trying to fit in Icon in my mind, this is how I view it's like remember that guy that did all the friendly fire He killed our guys in the Gulf of Mexico in the Gulf War who was the football player? But then Trump pardoned his ghost Travis Kelsey that guy he's a hero. Oh, he's very brave You know else is super brave like a bay of pigs that man wearing that boars head on January 6th. She knows Boars head because everybody's getting E. coli. And Listeria. And guess what?

I'm having Listeria hysteria. What up? What up? Give me that shiny roseweed. But Jaden Smith is the single bravest person since Joe Biden quitting. Chris, if you ever made that noise on my show, you'd be so fired so fast. I would see myself out. Now what if Cardiff made that noise?

Is that okay? If Cardiff did, it's fine. If Erock did it, it'd be fine. That'd be funny. Especially if he bounced around a little bit. There was another thing that we missed, another physical attribute of hers. She's wearing that denim jacket, but she's got that fishnet tube top kind of hers. She's wearing that denim jacket, but she's got like that fishnet tube top kind of thing. She moved away from the table on the wide shot a little bit further

back and she flipped the jacket like this and realized her belly was front and center. And then you see her kind of lean this way to be behind the table. Oh yeah. Smart move. Yeah. See right there. Look at that. Oh shit. My belly's on camera. And then she, you just see her angle this way very awkwardly to hide it behind the table. See, I knew where to pick up on these things. I had a feeling. He would notice something like that. And he says words weird too. Like he said, we're like, we say weird. He went woo, like a baby. He was trying to say a word. He does that throughout these episodes

I don't know if it's intentional or if it's just some sort of speech pattern thing He's got but once a while he drops the word and you go what the fuck is where do you think it's funny? It's very much. Oh be ask if you just say the words You say them wacky and now it's comedy. Oh, you don't know that's funny you bring up opi because in this very episode Henry Henry Henry Someone asked him what's up with the costumes and he's like, I'm not wearing a costume and immediately thought of opi Oh, remember that's also funny, right? Remember that bit when they pulled that wigs out like what wigs? Oh guys. Ah

Good stuff All right when they pulled that wigs out like what wigs huh guys ah good stuff all right they're talking about the election coming up and then their agent calls in so now we have a third person on here to improv along with the troupe to make our announcement And the person that we are going to talk to the twins right now You guys you guys didn't endorse anybody did you You guys didn't endorse anybody, did you? No, no, no, absolutely not. No, no, we were waiting.

We were waiting for the very last minute. Don't worry about it. Thank Christ, I talked to you. I got in touch with you. I got the numbers. I got these numbers in, and they don't want you to. The numbers say that the numbers don't lie. The numbers don't want you to endorse.

They want to be able to project their value to you. Yeah. Do you understand what that means? Numbers don't lie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Numbers don't lie. Numbers don't lie. Numbers don't lie. Be able to You all eyes are words yeah, and I don't trust the word I mean they bring in another guy who can't improv at all That part's not even improv it's scripted for a direction on his part specifically And he's still be that hard fucking it up. Yeah, it shouldn't be that difficult Don't endorse anyone because I got you this gig and then the gig turns out to be going to Corey Feldman's Halloween party because Pete Rose passed away and now there's an open spot and

So that's hilarious because you got to work in all the references that the kids are into these days You want to know another thing about lies? What's that? They make baby Jesus cry. Oh, God. It's so bad. No, absolutely. Good because the people the numbers don't lie. The people want to see you play musical instruments.

Do you understand? Do you have any flutes clarinet? If you have any harpsichords you got to bring this to the last Halloween party I'm sorry guys I just want two lips on top of your head? I'm sorry guys. I just want to apologize on behalf of who are these podcasts for subjecting everyone to that just now. I mean the guy brought up the flu and she just lost her mind. She's like, I was talking about a flu earlier in the show. So now I'm going to go nuts with that. And everyone's going to think it's the funniest thing they've ever seen.

We just lost Erock. Oh no, Erock're right. I can't be a part of that I'm also leaving. Oh, no, everyone's abandoning me. I hate her so much Carl. I'm so sorry. I did this to you She is not allowed over here on football Sunday. I know shit What an annoying? Garbage person that is obnoxious loser. It's a good way to put it very mannish hands Yes, like I don't know if it's just from like weathered or the it's just you know When people get those sausage fingers from having too much weight. Yeah, what kind of people yeah? We're all just like wait a second who's he talking about now? I. I want to see if she's got like a crooked vulture finger too.

Well, speaking of crooked vulture fingers, it's time for our... Cringe of the Week. Cringe of the Week. Cringe of the Week. And this one comes in from my buddy Jackie Marlow, who was watching, you won't believe this, Stuttering John Melendez. And Stuttering John has on his buddy Brian Karam. And Brian Karam is the political pundit

that he likes to have on to talk politics. And a bunch of comedy of errors occur in a row here. Yay! And the best part is that John has no control over what's going on or what's happening. The one thing he should know are the people that Trump's assigning to his cabinet, since John does a political show once or twice a week,

and that's like the big news right now, all the people that John is assigning, or all the people that Trump's assigning, and he has no clue. Hey, Coral, Kelsey's mom, be honest. I won't make Kelsey meet you at the bar, rank my looks from one to 10. I know I'm not above a seven, but recently-

Hey, can we just keep, that to my wife's picture? Oh, oh, oh, sorry again, bro. I fell for that again. Damn it. So this is the second time in a row where someone uses, Brian cares, wife is the avatar and John just pulls up and is like, all right, rate my looks, one through 10, Brian's just going, Jesus, he falls for every fucking diet. He looks for nothing but what the dollar sign is.

And that's the post I have to put up there. It's Dustin. Like at least Julie has that one guy that he has a Simpsons name, Lionel Hutz, I think his name is. And it's constantly, Julie knows better. And once in a while, he trips up because there's just like gaping vaginas and penises in there. Even though he's donating money, John doesn't even look for that.

It's like $2.00, I'll answer this question, and it's just the most horrific shit. John pulled up just a giant erection on his shoulder. I was gonna bring it up on Point Devil Point, we didn't get to it. But yeah, he just falls for it every time, it's great. Felt for that again, damn it. Sorry, I have a beautiful wife,

but that's not her on there, so. Brian, is she happy? And I know where that picture came from, they stole it off of social media. Give her a kiss in the mouth for me. So Brian, is she happy? Where that picture came from? They, you know, they stole it off of the mouth for me. Oh yeah, I'm sure they did. Damn. You know, I'm so sorry, but I should know by now. That's all right. He doesn't look that sorry. Well, I don't like our shucks. John.

He's going to go into why you can't be mad at him though, even though he fucked up. This is, this is what John always does. He goes, Oh man, I messed up. But you know what though though actually you should have left your phone number as the message when I called your phone Rob, it's your fault. I doxed you. Oh Yeah, I'm sure they did damn, you know, I'm so sorry, but I should know by now. That's alright Although I love your wife, so really it's not I mean, I don't know how they think they won by doing that Someone named Susie Brian Now he's being extra cautious, do you know somebody named Susie? Okay, let's see where this leads to

He's like he's one of those people that are channeling the spirits from beyond No, it's Susie. That's my mistress. What are you doing? You're fucking my life up. Well, Susie Wiles. Yeah. The chief of staff, the new chief of staff of the administration. What they're saying there is you're going to get deported. So welcome to the club. Jacob Ryan s.

He's not listening. Brian explains why you keep doing this show. I love that. He's such a boom. Awesome. Yeah. So the worst Viking ever says Susie Wiles has you on her radar. Ask Jay and Chad's like before he puts it up, he's like, you know, Susie, Viking ever says Susie Wiles has you on her radar. Sj and Chad's like before

he puts it up, he's like, you know, Susie Susie. It is amazing that you've guys have all said this, but when he does his political show, he knows nothing about what's going on, right? Especially now, like after the couple days of them all having meltdowns and shaving their head and whatever was going to go on. Now they're hyper focused on everything that's going on there. Everything's going under a microscope. Who's going to be appointed, who's associated, whatever. They're making their checklist, their battle plans with it. This should be the time John's just glued to Twitter, seeing all the updates coming out and knows fucking nothing about what's happening here. Twitter seeing all the updates coming out and knows fucking nothing about what's happening here.

It really is so typical of John. The Yankees are on him, but he has time. Giants only play once a week. He can be lucky with this stuff. Oh, the Doge thing. That's the coin he was trying to do years ago. Yeah, that was six months ago, John. Everybody knew this already.

All right. I have a special guest coming on. I have some Tom Myers clothes, but you know, let's skip that. We've suffered enough, right? Yeah, save it for when Vinnie's on. Okay, that's a good point. I probably should do that. All right. So I, I tease this on the last episode. We have Darren Paloalto twits. Help me out with this, Darren. It's like when is Paltrow with an it's at the end. Oh, so you're gonna make me try it again

Yeah, paltrow wits if you want to work in Hollywood. Yeah, Carl. Thank you Darren. Welcome to the show, buddy First time caller a longtime dabbler. Thanks for having me on EROC big fan Hello, sir. Nice to meet you. Darren is the author of this book right here, the DLR book, how David Roth changed the world came out this year earlier this year. And so Darren is an aficionado on all things David Lee Roth. He's done the research. He's talked to the people. He knows what's going on. And he has helped me out by finding all of the original episodes of the David Lee Roth radio show when he took over for the Howard Stern show back in

2006 So it was january of 2006 the David Lee Roth took over now. Those weren't his first radio shows He was doing radio before he took over for Howard, correct? Getting some Yeah, he did a week of test shows in b Boston. I'm still trying to locate those But if you listen to this episode, he talks about all the stupid radio voices he used to do in his bedroom So does that count? Yes, I think counts. Okay. No, I want to point out how word went to serious and this was a big deal

This was I want to say 18 months. He knew he was leaving terrestrial radio and was was, I want to say 18 months he knew he was leaving Terrestrial Radio and was promoting Sirius on his show and just talking it up. They had to block him at one point. Right. They had to stop him from doing it. He had already created channels over at Sirius. They already had the Howard 100 News over there. He had the two channels, Howard 100, Howard 101.

And so they were gearing up for this big historic move from Terrestrial Radio to satellite. And it was a big deal. Who's going to get Howard Stern's spot? Because he's in all these markets. And it wasn't just David Lee Roth. Adam Carolla took over some spots. Rover's Morning Glory took over some markets upstate and in the Midwest. But David Lee Roth, with no radio experience, they decided to bring him in to be the host of What could potentially be the most listened to morning show? In the US just based on how many markets it's in and the listenership at that time

And so a lot of people thought that was an odd decision Obviously it didn't go very well He lasted one ratings book and then they got rid of him and brought in Opie and Anthony and there's some conspiracy theories about that. I was on with Drew Lane yesterday talking about some theories. I want to get into all of that, but let me start off by playing some clips of David's show so we can get an understanding of what he was doing on the radio that time. A lot of people have never heard this.

Most people have never heard this. And even if you did hear it when it happened at the time, you forgot. This is almost 20 years ago. So this is the first discussion topic that David throws out there to the crew. With me, I'm going to read this to you here. This comes from whatever, one of the news agencies. This product listing, the product listing on Walmart's website for a Planet of the Apes DVD suggests films about black historic figures like Martin Luther King as similar items. I hear Robin has a thought.

Okay, hold on. Maybe it's just a metadata anomaly. Hey, aren't they on Sony? So Dave's reading this story about the fact that when you look at Planet of the Apes DVD on Walmart's website, I said, say you might also like Martin Luther King, you know, biography or whatever it is.

And he doesn't understand what metadata means. You could tell by the way he read it. And also you can tell by the way that he explains what his take is on it first of the fact of this story is the first story they go to do they think Anthony was already on the show I'm surprised if that's how they're teeing this one up for this crew because he announces that and then goes around the room who's got a take on this one? Why do you think it's similar? Go. Boy, that is so big.

I don't even know what to say. You're just afraid to say anything is what it is. I'm stunned. Well, that too. But, wow, that's just hard. Where do you go with it? No, it's not horrifying because here's what's probably going on is that some dummy down in Dothan, Alabama or somebody like that thought you know what?

These are the movies that are that they watch a lot of in the hood So David Lee Roth thinks are there's a guy who works for Walmart Who's actually programming in? These are the movies to show a suggestion even though he just read it's based on metadata There's a curator doing it. Could you imagine that the Bezos was doing over at Amazon? He's just like alright Somebody likes pink socks. What else they have my pink socks. No, I said that What was I watching before this Jesus Christ, I love that also too. He's like these are movies that they're watching in the hood They're watching Planet of the Apes in the hood and and Martin Luther King documentaries. Yeah

Yeah, okay, and he goes on to explain that he knows documentaries yeah yeah okay and he goes on to explain that he knows this for a fact and he's right seriously if you these are the kinds of pictures that are really really popular it's action science fiction come on and Doris is in no no no the monkeys have nothing to do with black people okay black people are not monkeys that's not the point makes a great news item but I don't think that's the point of what Walmart was thinking what you think that's retarded yeah I don't think that's the point of what Walmart was thinking What do you think that's retarded? Yeah, I don't know he goes into this whole diatribe about how I mean I hung out with these people and they love sci-fi

movies I was like I don't think any of this is true these people The the inner city youths That are checking out planet of the Apes for some reason, according to him. So that's just a bonkers way to start the show, because no one wanted to say anything. Everyone was just like, oh, shit, I'm not touching this one. And of course, you have John Hutchinson, Hutch, the board op. You got B. Young, Brian Young, who's the guitarist for some reason, the guy playing electric guitar.

We'll get into that. You're talking to Robin Robin, Baquet is the female on there. I guess they needed another woman named Robin. So people were just like, okay Thank God he wasn't there that long that Robin now No, no, she was not and then there's animal that we're gonna be introduced to in just a moment And that's Dave's bodyguard and they want to get him incorporated into the show actually Since we're talking about that And that's Dave's bodyguard. And they want to get him incorporated into the show. Actually, since we're talking about that, this is him going around and introducing the folks in the room.

Brian Young on the guitar. Give us a squeal there, baby. Whoa. Ah, Animal, our director of security. Way in on there. Say hello, Animal. Give him the microphone there. Do you know where he is?

Yeah, he's on. You should be on there animal nothing nothing baby just we'll fix that we'll get animals microphone fixed up there it's okay infinity was in charge of that man so that's not a good start now there was you was telling me that he has a good cast of people around him these are radio pros that he's working with. Behind the scenes with Infinity, yes. In the room, no. And can I tell you a quick animal anecdote that actually happened to me in trying to

write my book? Sure. So, Animal was legitimately easy ease bodyguard before Dave. He was head of security at Crazy Girls, which we hear a little bit about later on the show. But I want to interview animal for my book DLR book. So I tracked him down on Facebook. His real name is Harvey. So I he wasn't taking messages. So I put a note on his Facebook wall. Hey animal, I just wanted to say and I got put in Facebook jail because

animals a racial epithet. I mean, what kind of person are we we talking about why would that be a problem Facebook political correctness, but animals are really nice guy Okay Most most of the people on this show Linda who were eventually gonna get to I was texting with her yesterday Most of these people are salt of the earth and one thing they have in common is their disdain for Dave yeah, you and I have talked about this privately. And it turns out when you're talking to people about David Lee Roth, they either have an

NDA and can't talk about him or they don't like the guy at all. Yeah, the first time you tell anyone like, oh, I love Dave, they go, oh, Dave's great, Dave's great. And once you let them know that you know what the deal is, they go, and then they tell you how they really feel. That's funny. You have that. I don't know if it applies here, but you have that sheet that I sent you with some of the personal stories from people that worked at the station and on the show that didn't want to be named,

but they gave me information about working with Dave and what it was like. I don't have your notes, but I have all of your videos and audio and JPEGs and everything else you said there should be like a text file, but I have it here if you want me I figured you would read it. So Yeah, so again leaving the names out, but they gave me some information about the start of the show and the maintenance of the show. When he had to take over, he thought, if you remember Howard's old CBS studio, his studio, and then Robin had a booth, right? It was in the studio, but walled off from the studio. Dave wanted to do his show in there. They just gutted Howard's studio and built this whole big thing. He wanted to be in that booth.

So his engineer and Dave are like in that booth while the other people are in the bigger studio. It's no point in that. He wanted the studio to be very California, made it into a beach. He had sand brought in and he had trees. There was one giant palm tree in that small booth with Dave and the engineer. So they're like huddled together. Okay. And then had all different kinds of lithographs all over the wall of colorful art or like

jazz albums covers. Then he realized the beach thing wasn't working. It was causing too much of a mess with the sand. So they took everything out and he insisted on having a giant dance floor put into the main studio. So right where the console is, where Howard would be, Fred and what have you, in front of that, going all the way to the back end where Gary and John and everybody else would come to that little podium for the microphone. They'd come from that door of the hallway was a giant staying alive dance floor right there. And from what they told me about the dance floor was that it wasn't wired or grounded correctly. So every morning that he came in, he was getting shocked all the time on the dance floor.

And Eric, every question, because you produced for radio, you've been working in radio for a very long time. Would sand ever be a problem for like, I don't know, mixing board or any other equipment that you might have in the studio? Good question. Kind of, it gets into everything. I don't know if you've been to the beach. It's just, you take some of the beach home with you. You don't know that.

I would never do a live show from the beach. That's, I guess my point. That seems like a really bad idea. So yeah, one of the notes is, he kept getting shocked every morning when he came into the studio, and almost every time he got near or touched a microphone, it was so funny and it was really loud. Anytime he got close to the mics, it shocked him and he was screaming, son of a bitch or

what the fuck. Wait, what did that sound like? Producer Christian, how do you table the Rob? I know, how did we not have daily Roth traps ready to go and I I went to YouTube and listen to the the ISO vocals from running with the devil for the intro listen to the whole thing it's so great shit drop the ball drop the ball on that one did you want me to keep going or do you want to go back to other things please please please keep going okay every detail so he would get shocked

Before the show and before coming back from breaks We had to watch him cringe dance each time before the mics were going hot. It was so awkward to watch But he made everybody be in studio getting ready and he would just get up from his position and just start dancing in studio getting ready and he would just get up from his position and just start dancing. To music? Is there music playing? Yeah, so he was doing this thing for a while, like he'd come back from break and like what Howard would do would say like 92, 3K rock, they would play some music so that the affiliates could catch up and not hear the local New York feed, they would hear Howard's feed. You would play music and then a song would play and then you'd hear like a like a DJ dropping at a club

It would say David Lee Roth mornings and then another song would play. All right, cuz Dave's dancing I have an example of this real quick. Okay, this is them coming back from the break and It sounds like David's distracted because this is all over the place. Okay coming back in over the place coming back at 6 a.m. Roth 6 a.m. Roth radio live a long line of noble predators I'm descended from give me a little lead solo there one time baby yo I'm not sure if we're in key or what doesn't matter if we're in key at 630 in the morning. Nobody's in key. Are you kidding? I ride my bicycle around in the city here broadcasting from New York City the most dangerous thing towards me the most dangerous thing I

Reach are the pedestrians man The cars are never a problem. Do you need to you had you had a thought? Okay, so one of the people I interviewed for the book and I messaged with is Brian Young. Great guy. Great guy. Sure. And he told me one of his recurring problems in this gig of playing in and out of commercials was no one would tell him what key the music was in. It just like play. Now some of us have relative or perfect pitch and we could just hear something. Brian Young may not be one of those people.

So you heard him say, I didn't know if it was in D or something. Brian Young may not be one of those people. So you heard them say, I didn't know if it was in D or E. Well, that's the thing. There's always this pulsating beat going on all the time throughout the show. It's an old rock jock format where the music never stops on a station. So they would, the jocks would have to talk with some kind of looped bed behind them because he can't just have talking music has to be happening all the time. I was going through some of his shows.

He'd be about 18 to 20 minutes into the start of the show and then the bed is still playing. Yeah, because it's supposed to be just for a quick segment in between songs and then talking up the next rock. Or coming out and drink a little bit of a ramp to get the energy up and then you go into what you're talking about. He also had these things too where he would say, tell a little bit of a ramp to get the energy up and then you go into what you're talking about He also had these things too where he would say tell a little story and he goes and that's just how it was baby

And then he would like cue the board up and the board up would have to pot up the music for like another 10 seconds Then bring it back down so he could reset his thoughts and keep going. It was just non-stop the music flow He didn't know how to talk without some kind of beat or guitar riff behind him Yeah, I have an example of that too where he has to explain that it's time to Turn up the music in order to give like an exclamation point like you were talking about that before You're like going into the break. You got to hit that drop or that bumper going into it to let everybody know and Before they do that They're talking about Howard Stern's daughter another great topic of conversation to start the show off with because howard stern's daughter

Was in this play at the time open had they covered this quite a bit. We certainly did where she was getting naked And yelling about her vagina Yes, and so uh, they discussed this news story Okay upshot on how Stern's daughter, too Now is there is that the end of the news? Is she out of the play? I heard yeah, I heard that she dropped down the backers are upset because she had committed to staying in and and and That you know people were taking nude pictures of her and the backers had promised to keep her identity a secret is what I read That's not possible. It's not

20 minutes. I'm sorry. What were they thinking? Who was the producers of the play that that her last name is Stern and they would somehow keep her anonymous. Was she listed as Stern? I believe so. She wasn't soup is nodding his head. He's going no, no one does anything. They've heard of this story. No one knows anything about it. It's like you guys didn't have this prepped ahead of time. So you can maybe do some research and know what you're talking about. And there was one or two people that were printing out articles and stuff for them. Bring it into whoever Dave's guy was at the time and in charge of all of this stuff, hand it out. But

they never read anything before the show. So if you didn't prep this stuff, at least read the prep that you were given. They don't read it till Hey, here's another story. and then he now reads the story and they're learning together What's happening at the moment? And so then they go into a joke about Stern's daughter being in this and this is where David has to tell the producer to pot up the music they put an exclamation point on it But they made a point to say that not all her body hair was dyed blonde So the carpet didn't match the drapes did not match is that what gave it away?

Yeah, somebody recognized the perm give it the music for exclamation point I Think eventually they got better at this and maybe David got to ride the board or something so that it would just Seamlessly come in Eric saying that's not the case He was gonna tell people to do it I have one other little anecdote about his talk breaks. Yeah, I forgot. This is at the bottom of here he didn't know because They didn't play full production like Howard would do where it would go the Howard Stern show have a little bit of a bed And then it would go in New York 92 3, 3K Rock, go to local stuff,

so that the affiliates could drop out, do what they need to do for 18 minutes before Howard comes back. They would play the music. Dave doesn't have headphones on most of the time, so he would be grooving to the music or whatever. They would go to commercials, and it's local stuff. Dave, and they would, I guess the board up,

turn the speaker down or something, because Hope used to do that too. When we'd go to commercials, we would turn it down and so he couldn't hear it in the main studio. Dave still thought they were live. So he would continue going on with stuff and they would get up and leave or whatever. And they were like, no, no, we're in commercial.

And he's like, oh, I was in the middle of something of so it's like yeah, we went to commercial like two minutes ago and Didn't know he like he didn't pay attention to a lot of the cues well Kevin brings up a good point in the chat where Dave does have experience Doing these little rants for three or four minutes I've seen David Lee Roth live before he does this thing real time a quick story or something But it's always queued by a keyword or something. It's like right into the song when I was on with Drew yesterday He was talking about when they had David Lee Roth and his band in studio and they're all say that all these questions for him Drew's partner at the time's a huge Van Halen fan and they couldn't ask me any questions. They would go off on these long

Anecdotes you talk about I've been all over the world. We've been to Japan. We've been to Panama. The guitars just went there, there, there. They're like, that's, I read these a cue and it's just like the next song. So now it's like, okay, sit down and have a conversation with people. He can't do that. That's not what his strong suit is.

Nothing but yeah, as Dave would say, but going back to what Iraq was saying before, he did have one or two people on the staff whose job was to go like, here's some news stories, and they were not properly prepping. But the way that it goes when you're working with Dave is you think that your job is X, but then you wind up taking other people's jobs too,

because they've been fired, but don't know they've been fired. So the EMT instructor, Mayer May, also have been fired. So, uh, the EMT instructor may or may also have been prepping the articles also for him and may or may not have also been a personal assistant. Okay. That's funny because I was looking at the Wiki page of the cast of characters, the long list for a very short run show. And yeah, it's like EMT instructor slash news, uh, you know, bodyguard slash like okay so there's just throwing people into these roles because he knows them. He's hired interns too.

Yes. That's what I was told here. It's like you're not saving us any money. It's like yeah well whatever. A couple intern stories is one if they didn't know who he was he did and this is not the interns fault they didn't know that he was he did and this is not the interns fault They didn't know that they had a grace period. So if they didn't know who he was their college kids trying to get into radio This is a great opportunity He had his own grace period for them that they should learn read up and learn who he is and if they didn't He complained and got them fired There was one intern. I'll leave the guy's name out,

was funny, bit of a smart ass, and I guess overstepped his bounds at one point, made a joke. Dave stormed out and then that guy was removed from the show. Wow, what a pussy. Yeah. Why is he such a little bitch? So we hired three interns that at least that I'm aware of. So that Mary Hallease. Perfect.

But that actually evolved because in later years, like 10 years later, if you worked with Dave on something, they would say, don't mention Van Halen. Don't talk about the music stuff. Don't acknowledge that he's a celebrity. So he kind of flipped, like in this era, whenever he was doing press, he was saying things like, I am Van Halen. And then he would be back in Van Halen the following year. And then around for eight years or so.

And then after that, it's like, I have nothing to do with Van Halen. So I mean, he kind of flips as to who he is. There is a part that one of these things there, there was a policy in place when he was coming on board and throughout his run. He would not tell any band or music stories on the air because he wanted to be taken seriously. So he would not entertain Van Halen questions. If a celebrity brought it up, he would just kind of weave around it a little bit. And he's like, oh yeah, those were the days.

And then move on to the next thing. Sorry, he would not address music stuff or whatever unless he absolutely had to. And you were not allowed to bring it up. That's interesting. Yeah. Episode number one. And maybe because he got a big laugh out of this. Maybe that's why he did it.

He talks about when he was a solo artist something he did on his record I had a backwards devil message once we put it on the album skyscraper when you revolved the the song skyscraper, you know Which is what I sound like until lunch Sunday This dude is fucking corny How many times he's told that joke Can you play from my from my bank to echo what Eric was saying 3-3 the part when the caller brings up about Edamond smile by Dave Dave can I just say something on the side that I'm gonna go back to work? Uh, I've been playing guitar for a long time

I'm gonna go back to work. I've been playing guitar for a long time Eat em and smile to me is like one of my top ten albums of all I appreciate it on flat. Hold on one second I'm gonna tie off and shoot up Okay, so that's where it's just like no we're not talking about that The guy was even complimenting an element doesn't get complimented that much. Oh, it should have enjoyed that you would think What else you run the board for us Darren those you pick up on? Well, I want to gift number three to do you for future dabble verse stuff? Okay, and maybe even steel toe stuff nice. I need some money right now All right, I'll keep that on the board. Thank you very much and

Perfect. All right, I'll keep that on the board. Thank you very much. And then three one, like this was just the weirdest out of context thing. If you have that. Yep. I was wondering, since you're an EMT worker, you ever come across a meth lab? I have never come across a meth lab here in the state of New York. Okay.

And did you like that super cut that I put together on one and two? Where he like Dave knows everything about every country and every culture in the world no matter the year, right? I'm not being facetious at all. He knows everything. He's always up to date. Swahili, Swedish, Thai, Korean, Espanol, Esperanto. Oye, miralo. That's now an expression.

The vatos, none in Texas. Now I have a new expression. It's trailer, trailer. Trailer nation. Oye, trailer. That's the new slang down there. The Liberia, Uganda, or whatever. Excuse me, Arizona, outside of Las

Vegas and all of that desert area outside of Phoenix in these areas, they're using it to work. And this is all over Southeast Asia. This is all over Europe. This is pandemic runs all the way from Helsinki all the way down to Rio de Janeiro. Zoftig is that's German, step Paul malls and paragraph cough syrup back in the 50s That was big downtown thing in the village, you know in 35 Excuse me 82 different languages Yeah, I've learned this about David's is it let's say to his podcast as well Is that he really has to prove his the smartest guy in the room. There was a part I didn't clip it There's a part where I'm talking about some form of meditation

Robin was he goes what is that water or something? She goes no, it's but it she goes well. It is also a water. Okay No, I'm talking with me he's a he and John have this similar aspect like they're trying to show that They're the smartest people in the room Dave has a lot of information and a lot of knowledge He just doesn't know the right places to pull it and use it sometimes, but he has it. John tries to pretend that he has it and when he needs to use it, doesn't have anything. Doesn't have anything at all, yeah.

So it's the same method, it's just they're drawing from two different wells. Eric, do you wanna talk about, I know that you pulled some, being very difficult. What did we learn about the improv show today? Yes and and I I know that you pulled some stuff for us talking about open Anthony taking over for David Lee Ross. Oh, right. Yeah, it's final

Shows or is there anything that you pulled that we should be checking out? Um Well, some of the things were I don't know if we need to play them now. We could do it for another time or another long form. Did we lose your friend there? Yeah, Darren just disappeared. I'm sure he'll come back. Is it too much to get into? It is.

Some notes I can give you is Dave found out he was, his show was ending in his car ride home the day before his last show and CVS management was there in the morning before his show to reiterate that this was his last show and had people around Just to make sure Dave didn't go fucking ballistic, you know to the entire Eastern seaboard while doing the show So I had some clips from his last show where he just explains that, yeah, this show is great. It was in its infancy. We were just getting started, but he thinks he's going to Sirius at that point.

He's like, we're in talks. It's like, we'll go to Sirius. Like, this place made a deal with XM and he's like, smooth move with that. The deal's with Sirius. We gotta go over there. So Dave's like projecting that his show's gonna move to Sirius or television

in some sort of reality-based kind of show and that never happened. Like I said, he found out the day before and the reason why he found out was because they had already started stunting that something was happening on Monday, which was the secret press conference that we did at 9 a.m. the following Monday where it was live on CBS syndicated XM everything the whole joint thing that we did they were playing clips of what could be happening they it was it was a big mystery and so he I guess reached out or as people reached out like what the fuck is this and they like oh yeah your show's over tomorrow's your last show he also what we're

talking about the studio decor, Infinity, then CBS Radio, paid for none of it. They rebuilt the studio after Howard gutted his stuff out. They rebuilt it to make it a nice looking, functional studio. All the extra stuff Dave had to pay for. So every time they were changing the floors, the sand, the trees, all this stuff, came out of Dave's pocket. So when time they were changing the floors, the sand, the trees, all this stuff came out of Dave's pocket.

So when he found that this was happening, he had people that last, that Friday after his show came in, they started ripping everything down and taking everything except these two bright red couches that we were stuck with for like three months. Cause we couldn't figure out how to get them out of there. They looked like giant lips and that's what the guests had to sit on when they came in. There's some photos I gave you showing our press conference. You can see they stripped it down to a warehouse. You're seeing the rafters, the air conditioning ducts. There's nothing there.

All right. If we're going to go to one, any of those press conference photos you can see right in there. Look at that. There's no ceilings. There's no lights. There's the, you see the air conditioning ducts. This is what we had because Dave's people just took everything. They ripped the walls down, the TVs down, all of that stuff. It's not conducive to sound either, I would imagine.

Oh, it sounded terrible. It sounded like- It took the tiles. It sounded like we were broadcasting at a Costco. You know it was just But look at that there's nothing on the Fingers seeing raw outlets as a quick wire over there to do yeah, you know miserable Anthony has to be up in the morning Yeah, it's like this is my life now, and this was 9 a.m. Yeah, it's like this is my life now, and this was 9 a.m.

So yeah, so Yeah, there was an example of the couch that we were stuck with that looks like little giant lips that Celebrities had to come and sit on while we're trying to do actual interviews. That's fun So so yeah, he found out through stunting on the air and then the company told me he had to go Trying to see if there's anything else with Dave. Were you a Dave on? Opie and Anthony several years later. Yeah. Is there anything on the show?

That was just an interesting look. That was just like a cap time capsule of history to hear him talk about that stuff. And that's how we found out how he got he knew he was being fired he told us he was in the car when all this was going on he heard it on the radio on this day as soon as he left they started the stunting and it turns out none of the other programming was getting blown out it was just him I mean the staff must have known right well they were they were management was also really fed up with him.

There's a clip where he talks about, it's like, yeah, we knew the ratings were in the toilet. We know, but this thing takes time. And you know, you got to give it a long time for this thing to grow. I have a story here that the post-show meetings, when it wasn't just like, it wasn't like Tom Chiasano coming in at that time,

it was somebody else from the company that they made sort of the program director of Just Dave and overseeing his syndication stuff. So the upper brass, if you will, of Infinity CBS would come in to talk to him about what was going on with the show, what was wrong with the show. There were some heated, high octane post show meetings between Dave and the program director, syndication head, where the syndication guy had to actually be restrained from trying to swing at David Lee Roth, with Dave kicking and screaming saying,

I'm a fucking rock star, and didn't want to be told how to do a show. Yep, that checks out. Dave's very difficult to work with. Oh yeah. I believe what Derrick has learned since writing this book. Going back what Eric was saying about the decor and Dave shelling out money for that,

an interesting factoid that I learned from a few people is when he was doing the show, he had three homes in New York. Okay. He had his Upper West Side place, which he had for many years. He had his Lower East Side one, which you talked about during this interview. And then he had a place in the financial district that supposedly he never once stepped foot in.

Yeah, he had a place in the village area. I guess that's right near the financial district. That was just supposed to be his drop-off spot when he was doing all the EMT stuff with the ambulance exchange. Yeah, that is correct. So he weirdly spends, he wants everyone to think that he's super, super rich all the time. He's saying hot for teachers, he should be a billionaire.

It's the greatest rock song of all time. It is. I would never fight you on that. All right. But he did have 25 or 33 percent of the publishing on that. And his catalog doesn't make as much as you think it does. So basically, Dave would do a world tour, make a bunch of money for two to three years, just do all these recreational things, spend more than that money supposedly, then have to work hard for two or three years,

then come back. So all the while he's wanting to pretend like he's super, super rich. His two biggest solo songs were cover songs. So even if they were successful, he's paying the original authors for those songs. Oh yeah. There's a lot going on. And did you have the clip, by the way, about the 2-2, the thing about the parents home thing? Yeah. When I was 21, if my parents said, you never be in music again or you're never coming home, that was the reason I got into music,

so I never had to come home. And I didn't for 30 years, all right. And I didn't for 30 years. Okay right. And I didn't for 30 years. Okay. Well, what if I were to tell you that Van Halen rehearsed in his childhood home, his dad wanted to manage Van Halen and Dave bought that house and still lives in that house. What if I were to tell you that we did say I did go back home, which

is interesting. But yeah, it's famously known that he owned the PA and that his dad bought That's why he's the singer of Van Halen Cuz no one else yeah So there's always things. Oh, sorry go ahead. No no no no I didn't mean so I just wanted to bring up one other family Member of his that was very successful his uncle yeah, Manny Roth owns or owned when he was alive the the comedy seller Cafe wah the black pussy cat where, if you're not familiar with those things,

legendary comedy club right now, and it has been forever in New York City, but Cafe Wah was a legendary place where like prior would come to work out, Carlin, Cosby, all these legendary names before they were even super huge would come to these places. And this was all owned by the Roth family and He used to show up there all the time

especially towards the later end when when Manny wasn't doing as well and and his Son or whatever was taking over the place Like he owned the place like he would come in and eat upstairs at the place and didn't expect to pay anything and good walk Into these things like he like this was all gonna be his his and it went to the sun had nothing to do with Dave probably does it everywhere he goes though I would have had going there I think because of that all true and there is an episode of the Roth radio show where he interviews uncle Manny and I respect what Manny accomplished but he was not ready for morning radio. And it's kind of like when Groucho Marx used to go on the tonight show and like suck all the energy out of the room.

Cause he was an old man who like wanted to tell long-winded stories. It's like that. I think you'll really enjoy that episode, Carl. Okay. I'm looking forward to it. We'll definitely check that out. You have another clip about some of the lies that David Yeah, to one I think it's the number on that one. Do you have any setup for this? Basically Dave takes credit for everything and I could debunk each one of these things factually if you wanted or I don't know We put everyone to sleep. All right, let's listen to what he's saying here. No, that's not happen I wrote every single lyric that Van Halen ever recorded and the titles and designed all but one album cover I designed the stage shows the videos wrote directed edited the videos

Designed the backdrops designed even Eddie Van Halen's guitar. You know where that came from with all the stripes on it I stole the idea from the guy in the clash. He had that was the punk rock element in England and they had that bass guitar I think it was remember with all the stripes on it and I said to Eddie you should put a whole lot of tape on Your guitar and then spray paint it and we were playing at the whiskey at gogo And in fact, Eddie didn't even make the guitar his root his roadie Rudy Lahren did it and I was the one who gave Rudy The paint you had the spray paint from the basement of my house over on Orange Grove Boulevard and we named it. Ooh bab. What's funny about that is it goes from, you know, designing the stage show, writing, producing, directing, editing the music videos, like all this. I

was like, wow. There's like, and I had the paint for the guitar. Like, all right. I mean, it's not really a huge brag. Yeah. Build that list opposite. Yeah, it's not that impressive. You got to the page. Guitar thing is amazing because Van Halen News Desk, its main writer is a big dabbler named Eric, who eventually should go on your show. I don't know if he's out about being a dabbler, but too late.

Different Eric. He helped debunk this Dave claim that he came up with the Frankenstein and Eddie stripes and all that because one of the things that Dave said in interviews like, and then we put this blue tape from 3M on it and that tape hadn't been invented until 1988. There's just little things like that in there. And then the, oh, he directed all the videos. Well, the pretty woman video was directed by Robert Lombardi and Pete Angelis

directed the Panama video. And then the album covers Richard Serrini, I think that's his name. He did most of them and his wife Margot did the 1984 album cover, but he did it all, right? All but one was his claim right there. Yeah, it's crazy to me and this is a debate we could have outside of this, we're reviewing podcast today But when you look at the personalities of like Alex Van Halen and David D Roth I wouldn't want to be a band with either of those guys like people want to act like why did that band break up? Who was the promise like both? They're both problems are very difficult to and you wonder why Eddie's smoke and drank himself to death right yes

I would want to get away from all that to Michael Anthony is a gem Sounds very difficult to do. And you wonder why Eddie smoke and drank himself to death. Right. Yes. I would want to get away from all that too. Michael Anthony is a gem. He did nothing wrong. He deserved nothing that was ever done to him. And he's so class. He's not even defending himself in the midst of all this. Right.

Because everyone knows that. Yeah. Everyone knows he's the best. I have another clip from the show. And this is an example of David He's getting big laughs from the room good for him. And so he's talking about this woman who accused him of Having kids with her she dragged him to court and Better stalker scenario that I can one day I should show you it's even better than this one

I'm sure pretty good one But this is a crazy woman. He's talking about and so he makes this joke here now I'm out on the road somewhere between Kansas City and South Dakota or whatever and one of the guys knocks on the door is a boss one of the guys from the rhythm section She says hey Dave You'd never like so a kid would you? Paid a few $20 a dance Did he just say he'd paid children for lap dances

That's how what he does that the joke he just made cuz if Patrick Melton said that Kiwi Fars have a field day With that information at back that is gone. Haha. Yeah, it's a new thread opening up right now. Yeah Scenario would be some one of the musicians talking to somebody to talk to somebody to talk to Dave Not traveling with the band. Yeah the rhythm section He makes like 12 rhythm section jokes in this episode and like he does not travel with his band fact Do you even know their names Even know the drummer the bass player is the Luck luckily both of them had the last thing Bissonette on that tour. Okay, so it's easier for him

All right So this guy Kevin emailed me four years ago that emailed me again because we come back on the show Because we tease it we're talking about DLR and so he's got this theory and I guess he talked to you maybe you know this is Alan Lienwand or Lienwand do you know that is Eric a radio executive I guess Kevin says he talked to him at this party when David Lee Roth was hired he's like why would you hire David Lee Roth to take over and Alan this executive knew that Kevin's a big open Anthony fan he said soon everything will make sense and

you'll be pleased with the result and so the theory is and I brought this up before the David Lee Roth was hired purposely knowing he would tank so it would give a cushion so they could bring in some actual talent to come in and then the fans at that point be like oh we leave thank God it's not David Lee Roth and I talked about this with radio guys yesterday. They all laughed me out of the room. Like no one would ever do that. That seems crazy. But it doesn't seem that crazy to me. Replacing Howard Stern is a very difficult task. And you got to think if David Lee Roth works out, great. Do we think he's

going to? Probably not. What did you find over there Eric? Yeah, all right, so he was a He was in a couple different areas for both for clear channel and infinity He was a sales director general sales manager stuff like that for JFK K rock Z 100 and a whole bunch of different things there. So this guy would I guess no, all right Well, that was his theory on it. But here's, we've been asked about that for so many years, too. Like one, we didn't know.

We started getting phone call or interest in us coming back in February. Now, this didn't happen until February of 2006. I keep forgetting the year. We didn't take over until towards the end of April 2006, right? So this has been a conversation that we were hearing internally, rumors, because it was Opie and Anthony and their agent dealing with this. The staff was hearing bits and pieces, but nothing conclusive, that this was going on for like two months before we

took over. What didn't make any sense was, yeah, they wanted us to take over because they saw this was a dumpster fire. What didn't make sense was that why would you put somebody just on the East Coast to pad this to bring somebody in when you've already got Corolla who maintained most of Howard's audience for the West Coast in there. Can I offer my thoughts on that? Yeah, sure.

Corolla's not getting up at 2 a.m. to go on live at 3 a.m. his time, right? Right. And once they moved to New York, and he might have been asked that because, and it was offered the job that Artie Lang took. And he said, no, I'm not doing that. You know, because he's an LA guy. He grew up in LA. He's got TV deals and stuff. But you had Corolla, who can do a show and was established and maintained most of the audience. Then you had the Midwest, which I still to this day don't understand why they

gave it to Rover. I can't believe it. He's terrible. He is terrible. He's never good. But they gave it to him. And he had the Midwest and fractions of the East Coast. And then in the East Coast, you put David Lee Roth in, like you're going to do the celebrity fill in just for one portion of a national audience. Like it doesn't make any sense. You should have put another radio show in there. Who cares if they would have failed or something like that, at least it would have been like a radio show. This just amplified the publicity of who's taking over for Howard,

but over amplified the failure of it and made us look like fucking geniuses to come back and they had to give us everything that we wanted and more. Yeah, that's that's a good point too. Like the negotiations wise, you guys worked out very well for you. Like, Oh, you want to save your morning drive at your stations? Yeah, we'll do that. But one thing that contradicts like the this was intended to fail thing was Dave got a settlement he sued after he got

let go. And the same thing happened with his movie with CBS where ultimately he got paid more to not do the movie than do the movie, do the movie But you look like a failure for it not getting made if that makes sense. I wouldn't mind getting paid more to not do something Sounds like a pretty I'm on board too. Yeah. All right. Let's see if we can negotiate something Chris Our show did it for a year and a half after certain of you know, scavenger hunt that happened Were you a part of the people getting paid for not working Eric? I was not That's why I was working in Florida for for clear channel

Yes at the time where you're from right? No, I'm not curio I interviewed him Eric like a couple of days before that happened Who day and then he called me on the phone like one or two days the interview had a run down. He's like Can you please wait to run that? Can you please refer to me as Paul Michael Mercurio? Like he was trying to redo his name. Oh, Paul. Yeah. Uh, Paul took a hit from that because he was the guy that caused that issue to happen. But Paul one wasn't, and it was not to discredit his comedy or they wasn't big enough name at the time. So it wasn't going to affect him too.

He was the opening, uh, warmup comic for the daily show. And I think, uh, he did tough crowd for a little bit and, you know, he was doing a lot of the comedy central stuff so he could hide off camera for a while till that died down and Paul had a, has a great career. He did just fine. Everybody else in front of it were all like, uh, you open and Norton had to well open and had to sit out. Norton was paid and then could go do everything else. But yeah, it was fun time. That's when radio was radio, right?

It was. Remember that? Remember when it was making news not for just massive layoffs but for big things that were happening and talent and another little thing that kind of broke the the news that we were going to CBS to replace David Lee Roth Steve C our old producer yeah God rest his soul somehow that week before Dave because Dave said it on his last show which is that Friday goes well I guess Monday we're Opie and Andy now and you you know, so we're like, well, they had to tell Dave. So did he let it out of the bag? What happened? No, it was the day before when Dave found out that he was, the show was going away and being let go. Steve C

somehow thought because there was speculation on message boards, Steve thought, Oh, Opie and Anthony are talking about it. So posted it on the Foundry Music website at the time. This is happening. And I remember the calls coming in, it's like, what the fuck is it going on? I'm like, I don't know. Ben and I were like, what are you talking about?

And then it's like, Steve, what are you doing? Oh, I thought because the message board said Opie and Anthony were talking about it. Why did you call Opie and Anthony and ask them if they were talking about it? So yeah, that didn't help either It was a different time on the internet back then things didn't travel so quickly you thought you could just post something on your little Private thing that you're doing and people wouldn't pick up on it. But

So you're saying it was a different time. It was a different time You want to point out from The David Lee Roth radio show that's important to note? Well, I love how he thinks that he knows everything that's going on culturally, every genre, but he gets names wrong. Can you play one three for me? Yes.

No, no, Snoop Doggy has a line of blunt skins, right? Snoop Doggy. Have you ever heard him called Snoop Doggy? That's that celebrity speak when they say, you know, my friend Bobby D, Bobby De Niro. That's the same name that his boys call him Snoop Doggy. Yeah, you're like Snoop Doggy. You know, we smoked up last time we were out in LA. So Snoop Doggy and I were doing it. It's that celebrity.

Gotcha. Oh, so aggravating. I did think that legitimately there were some good moments in this episode. I thought the Angelina Jolie segments kind of held up and were interesting, but it kind of goes to what Alex Van Halen has said about Dave, where 10 to 15 percent of what he says or does is thought of is genius, but you have to sift through all that garbage to get to that. Right. So would you agree with me that there are good moments? It's just surrounded by garbage?

My memory of it is very different than how it sounded to me when I went back and re-listened to it. I remember it being just a lot of non-sequiturs and then they'd pod up the music and then come back down and they'd be talking again. And there actually were conversations happening. I was like, okay, that's right. I just was so used to Howard Stern and how well that show was run. It was mind boggling. This is what took over for it. But now a lot of time has passed. A lot of it is just that fucking music bed. It just sounds like Amid to me. It's like what are you doing? Let it breathe a little bit Did you also think that do you remember the call the caller Gary?

That called in and that sounded like a staged call to me Okay, like Adam Bush is our master for saying what's bad acting and all that Yes, but that just sounded like it was a writer in the other room calling in. But I love how many of the calls end or start with them going, good luck Dave. You're right, yes, we're all rooting for ya. You got this. Have you ever, Eric, have you ever heard a show

where every time the person calls in, they have to say good luck to the host? No, but I've heard shows where they had to say, like Man Cow, we used to document it on our show. Hey Man Cow, first time, long time, or something like that. He had something that you had to, his call screener had to prep you before coming on the show.

Not just like, hey, get to your point, be concise, let's keep it moving. That's what a call screen is supposed to do This was hey when he picks up you got to say Hey, man, Cal love you love the show. That's what it was All the voicemailers yeah, Carl love you love the show all right that's we have to do that yeah no more go fuck yourself If it's online if it's not I'll jump into the archives and put it online for you But we heard about this and Anthony was feeling kind of you know jumpy, and he just goes let's call man cow

He's on live right now right so we call man cow And we get we put his screener alive on the air like they didn't know and we had the coaching for Anthony from his screeners Like all right when he comes on you'll hear the man just said member of man cow love you love the show and Anthony's like Okay, yep sure's like, all right, when he comes on, you'll hear the man, just said, member of Man Cow Love You Love the show. And Anthony's like, okay, yep, sure. I can do that. I want to touch. Gets on to the Man Cow show. And then you hear, Tony in New York,

what's going on, Tony? And he goes, hey, Man Cow Love You Love the show. Gets to his point. Man Cow then, once your point's done, Man Cow either mutes or hangs up on you and keeps the conversation going. and we were laughing while it was no fake bad that he called in as a legitimate caller instead of outing him on the air because Mankow muted us and we didn't get a chance to shit on him live on his own show. That's hilarious

But yeah, there was always love you love the show first time long time Christian suggesting people say hey Carl hate you love the show It's also a possibility you do that for Christian show too. Yes, correct Yeah, so I think that with Dave what actually happened behind the scenes is 80 times more interesting than what was happening on the show So if you look at this weird period for him where he's a year or so for rejoining Van Halen He hasn't done a solo album in a couple of years. He's doing casino gigs on weekends. He's just one or two years off of that weird bluegrass album. Do you remember that? That's right, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, cuz he did, we covered that too. He did

the The Tonight Show with Jay Leno. He went on there to debut it and he's wearing his over he had the backdrop look like it was he haw. Yeah, his overalls on he had a hat thing and he was doing his bluegrass version of his songs and Van Halen songs. Did you ever see the clip of him with the Boston Pops on July 4th doing jump? Boston Pops on July 4th doing Jump. No, no, that sounds awful. A hall of fame.

Was this before or after Metallica made it a thing to do it with the Symphony Orchestra? A few years after Metallica. Yeah, I was trying to get on that. Metallica with the Boston Pops. Yeah, so I give Dave credit for taking chances. The problem is, I think he was bulletproof till about like 89, 90. And then everything after that sucked because he either had a bad manager or he didn't have a co-pilot.

So on this, like this shows too much Dave. But if you look at Dave as a sole artist and you go there's Dave plus Steve I perfect. There's Dave plus Eddie Van Halen. Perfect. There's Dave plus Jason Becker. Great. And then it's like here's Dave and his whack pack. And it's like it's a it's a big, big, big problem. Yeah. And I think we quickly hear that in this episode. It's going to be a problem. So Darren, I appreciate you coming on here, your knowledge of David E. Roth, and we've only scratched the surface, obviously, if you wanna learn more, you should check out the DLR book

that Darren wrote. I have two more quick little facts, if you want, for this, if you wanna write an appendix to your book or something like that. Okay. Sure. Two other little things. Going through these notes from these people, your book or something like that. Okay. Sure. Um, two little, uh, other little things, uh, going through their, uh, these notes from these people, uh, Dave was some, how super sensitive to smell. Yes. Um, yes, he couldn't stay. There was a, uh,

a ban on anybody wearing perfume or cologne coming into the studio. Uh, you were not allowed to have any kind of food or beverage that had some sort of scent. So I mean, coffee is coffee, but coffee has a scent. So you weren't allowed to have any of this stuff in the studio if you're wearing perfume and cologne, if you're food, if you're having eggs or anything, you can't have any of that there. He would leave the studio to go to another little room

to go eat if he had to eat, but nothing was to be in the studio. And the other note I have is for his last show, room to go eat if he had to eat, but nothing was to be in the studio. And the other note I have is for his last show, his hello and goodbye were all the intro of the show because the last portion of his show was a prerecorded interview with Jeff Bridges. Okay. And it goes to break promoting whatever Jeff Bridges was promoting.

He never comes back to say goodbye, even a fuck you or any of this stuff there the interview ends music's playing David Lee Roth morning stinger hits and then commercials and then comes back with Booker and and he's on there filling in for somebody it's like he just left like the last hour and a half of his show Wasn't even live. He had pre-recorded interviews that played and he was already gone Yeah, I mean did you stick around to the last period of your senior year on the last day? No, you want to get the fuck out of there for lunch? It's fair fair what it wasn't a long run is not gonna have a lot of thank you as a good buy

We stayed long for our last day at CBS when we knew we were being fired before they officially fired us and we flipped their Format we've changed the whole format of the station in New York before they knew about it. So if you want to look up that clip, that's fun too. Hope he didn't want to stay there. I bet. Hope he wanted to get the fuck out. No, they wanted to stay so we can flip the format. It was the one time we actually worked late. It was weird. What Eric was saying there about Dave and the fragrances. I have a bit about that in the book that when Dave was making the no holds

barbecue video, Chris, I would guess that Chris has seen this. Have you ever seen the No Holds Barbecue video? I don't think so. I feel like I would have remembered that. Your life is going to change. I'm writing it down. This is by far the worst project that Dave ever worked on. That's saying something. It's amazing. And the editor of it became a friend. I see Cardiff in the chat.

There's your mug Cardiff, big fan. The editor who did No Holds Barbecue was specifically told like, you have to wear a fragrance list deodorant. One day he forgot to wear like socks with his sandals or whatever. And Dave's handler went out to the car and took fresh socks out of Dave's trunk to give him. All sorts of weird OCD stuff. Should I just say allegedly so we don't get to allegedly OCD stuff? Yet the dude is smoking weed 24 seven.

So it's weird like what smells he's okay with and which smells he's not. I don't know what that smells like but I heard it's weird like what smells he's okay with it which smells he's not. I don't know what that smells like but I heard it's kind of pungent. Was that a call back to a day? Yeah, don't let him be over here. I don't know either, man. I was thinking that was Vinnie Paulina one time with his jacket smelled odd. I don't know. I have an OCD moment here too. Did you know about this one Darren? That after the beach changeover to the dance floor and there was these rugs that were put over, you know how corporate offices are,

they have that corporate industrial carpeting. He had styled rugs that were leading to the hallway in the office and all that stuff there. Him and his manager, one of his manager's duties was to inspect the carpets and the rug, like on his knees looking through to make sure that they were perfectly clean. And people who were working for the radio station had to work around this guy at like four or five in the morning as he's inspecting the rugs and the carpets to make sure there's nothing on these carpets leading into the main studio of the show. So that manager Matt Sensio is the brother of MTV VJ John Sensio and supposedly great guy really knew how to handle Dave better than anyone, but he still had to do all the quirky Dave stuff.

He worked his way up from base tech to assistant to manager. And I think he was there through the initial Van Halen reunion. And that's, there's like five to 10 people who've never done their book or tell all on Dave. And this is the guy that you want to do the tell all more than anyone, Matt Sensio. He supposedly doesn't want to be found, but is in Massachusetts. You can't get him on the podcast? You can't book him on your show? I'm friendly with his best friend, but his best friend is keeping him away from everyone

and everything. But if Eric has given some amazing information about what the studio is like, Dave's Home, this is one fact toy that I've been given that's bonkers to me. He's still in the same house that he grew up in which was like a state of the art oil mansion, but he hasn't kept it up and supposedly allegedly the windows have to be open 24 7 because he doesn't believe in central air. He thinks people might be poisoning him and all this weirdo Bonkers stuff so people walking around his house have to wear a winter coat

So just freezing in his house No matter the season is freezing Starting to think I don't know if he said this on one of his millions of interviews or if I heard this information somehow secondhand. Was there a point in any of the places that he was living in that the actual rugs were hung up like tapestry on his wall? Like if he didn't have art, like everything had to have something in the room. Like you couldn't walk into a room and have a bare section of it.

So we had album covers and all this other weird lithograph stuff that at some points he used to hang rugs that he would find up on the wall like it was art. That checks out. I'm not sure which home that would be in. But when you have three homes in New York at the same time, you have to fill them with something. Yeah. But at the same same time I've heard from somebody that on his la home the bookshelf like there's the script from crazy from the heat There's the manuscript for his book like there there is normal stuff that you just Expect but the same time there are dozens of mannequins around his house nice He thinks it's that 80s movie

where it comes to life. At night. Well look, I've been in Dick Madgison's house and there's a sex doll in the basement. So everyone has some weird shit going on. That's part of the tour. He brings you right to it to show it to you. It's true. So you have the Cardiff mug right there?

Darren? The Cardiff mug. I do what I can to put it in interviews where it'll be extremely awkward. Like cat temp, it was in that interview. Show my merch, bitches. That's right. Devilverse.tv. So Darren, you are, aside from being an aficionado on David DeRalph, you're also a private investigator. Yeah. My real name is Dustin.

No, you're not Dustin. Sorry, that river. But the reason why I brought that up and I wanted to talk to you about this is because we have a guest on the show who has been doxed by Steadoring John's team and they're harassing him. And I don't know his story that well

So I'll bring him on to tell his story mumbling. Nick is here. What's up? I'm going Nick. How's it going guys? Good, so I brought up before that John has threatened you he's talked about I know where you live I know your wife's name. I know this I know that and I always hate that shit It's my least everything that John's on that window right above him Right. He's just peering at me to see his eyes So I didn't know the extent of it, but then you reached out to me. It's actually way worse than I thought Yeah, so I was kind of nervous about doing this but you got the PI so I was I was interested The harassment has stopped so I'm very nervous about even this, but you got the PI, so I was interested. The harassment has stopped,

so I'm very nervous about even getting it going again, but because I almost feel obligated, because I don't want this to happen to somebody else, because I feel I've done the least out of anybody to ever get doxxed in this devil verse. I was shocked, but I have reason to believe that John knew who I was weeks before he doxxed me and we were friends or friendly and Almost like there was a manufactured You know there was fake accounts of me created to say things about his children because I wouldn't do it and It's just it's very weird. Like he let it be known in early October. He knew who I was

And then I got doxxed at the very end of October out of nowhere. So It's can I say two things? Yes, sir. Mr. First show your face coward And second the way you said October you just doxed yourself Yes, we know where you're from now. Yes. Well One few things I do know one person in the devil verse That's if you guys know Shawnee are from the Shawnee zone and Kind of grew up together and people kind of know he's he's from New England So I don't I don't think it's a surprise. No words. I actually got to meet him at devil con too

He came down nice. It was good to see him. So alright, this is a wild story Mumbling Nick if you follow W ATP, you'll know that mumbling. Nick did this video where he was talking about Uh, you know, john may or may not have gotten a prostitute when he was in atlantic city She may or may not have been a 15 year old asian girl and says oh I heard about that and it's funny, right? and the funny thing is is that John was just like going through the subreddit like he does it just clicked out this video and started watching it And it was like what the fuck it's like there's no reason for him to play this video and started watching it. And it was like, what the fuck? It's like, there's no reason for him to play this video. And then he put it out there.

So I thought that was kind of the extent of it. That he saw this video that we all knew was a goof. No one's sitting there going, well, we just gotta get John arrested now. It's like, no one took that seriously in any way. But then he was like really upset with you. I didn't realize that there was also people pretending to be you with your avatar and name

and typing shit about his family. Yeah, so first, let me say, I never said anything about a 15-year-old prostitute. John made it worse. I literally said, and I regret saying it, but I said, he may or may not have had a prostitute who may or may not have been of legal age. Okay, so I made it to the 15-year-old part.

John came up with 15-year-old to make it sound even worse. I believe and Asian. Yeah, I did made it to the 15 year old part. John came up with 15 year old to make it sound even worse. I believe and Asian. Yeah, I did say sorry. He may or may not have had an Asian prostitute. You may or may not have been of legal age. And that should like I even got the Asian pot because John loves Asians. And being in New England, the owner of our football team likes Asian prostitutes down in Florida. I don't know if you want to say that on this show. I don't know. The Tom Brady roast and WATP. I don't know how to say that.

That's literally where I got even that from. Yeah. And I even only said that because John claimed he had a PI who said I was working with TSN from months to pulling ball when he said I was working with pedophiles. And this is when he was calling Shulia a pedophile. So he was calling me like a pedophile enabler and that's the only reason I even said that Like I don't have a channel. I don't have a live show. I think I have like 70 subscribers when he did this No one would have saw what I even said, right? And but he put it out and then it gets clipped or whatever But the way this all started I'll try and get through a quick like I came intoilverse a little over a year ago, never expected to be anything, you know, and I'm super into politics and John has a political show. So he was like, I'm always trying to help people.

So like a year ago, I was like, hey, can I come on your political show? Because I had like a kind of a following on another social media where I had like a political blog with like 3000 people following me. And some of them were like, Oh, you should start a YouTube channel. Well, you hear how I talk. I can't have a YouTube channel. But I thought like, it'd be cool though. Do you know John talks? Oh my god, I got frogs voice. I enunciate like Bob. I got an accent like Joey C like, you know, regional accent of perfect, you know, that you feel self conscious, because Cardiff called you out.

It's a whole thing. So he felt like I often on for a year, he'd say you have me on this and that. And even where I come from, I used to really like Richard Ojeda. I've known about him for like 10 years. And yeah, he's always been a little the way he is. But he used to, my big thing is like class warfare It's like I like going after the elites and Jetta used to do that until Trump broke his brain And now it's all Dems versus Republicans

But I thought if I got on that show that'd be kind of cool and then maybe I would start off a YouTube political channel and that was the extent of it, you know and I Actually met Christian. Yes, good guy And so I would get on there'd be random political things in the devil verse and I would get on you know I'd be like I was on a political roundtable stuff like that and I was one of the only people that asked serious questions and John's political show and you know, you were that guy That was real and he's like I'll have you on there go heavy

And right when I was about to say I was gonna get on someone messaged I'm saying that I've made videos outside his mother's house Which I never did, you know, I even emailed John and he was like, oh you said next on a beautiful email Like we were fine, you know Then out of nowhere one day these fake mummel and Nick accounts show up trashing his kids and he's like, I know who you are. I know where you live. And I'm like, what is going on? Like I had no problem with this guy.

And these fake accounts showed up and Clay Dabler blocked the accounts and then Clay lost his mod job. So the accounts came back and this went on for weeks. So I started making videos explaining like why Clay didn't really block the legend. He got he lost his wrench because he blocked the fake accounts and people liked the videos. So I every day John with something else would come up between Clay and the legend and John and I would just make a video with my 70 subscribers that saw him. You know,

there's a quick question because I mean sir. I mean, obviously, I assume everyone who's watching and listening right now is pretty deep into the devil version. You'd have to be, don't understand anything that's going on. But I wanna understand this dynamic between the legend. I'm confused by this character. He first cropped up on MLC, I believe, was super chatting.

Kevin Brennan was a fan of MLC. And then he moved over to Stuttering John. They started was a fan of MLC. And then he moved over to Stuttering John. They started having a fight over the legend who's more than one believe there's only one legend. Right? Well, I believe that narrative I'm getting there. I'm getting there. So the legend is this guy who was the second overall draft pick in for the Major League Baseball in 1988. 1988. He played like nine seasons. He didn't really do that much but he was he made it to the show and so now he's a guy who's a huge fan of the hack verse

and sits around just giving all his money to Kevin Brennan and stuttering John and I see you in other places too like what do you know about the legend what's his involvement with Clay Dabler and all this so what are these how many people connected so I have no proof that the legend is that baseball player, but I am super in the baseball. So I actually tried to be nice to the guy on Twitter, like when this first started. And I would ask him questions about baseball players I liked and he would just give me these short answers. I was like, all right, fine.

And then I think it was on Father's Day, he put out some tweet about It was I don't even want to get into it again But it was kind of like homophobic against dads who have gay kids So I kind of like this is what really bothers me with the John thing too is I defended John's kids all the time Yeah, I still have not said anything about his family and still he went after mine. But these kids are So much better than he has they're amazing how they turned out like I't think any family- no one's family should be dragged into this. If you want to bust walls, bust balls, but no one's family should ever get brought into this. If I can volunteer information you didn't ask for, by the way, when I interviewed Richard Ojeda, I asked him about David Lee Roth and he called him a jackaloon.

But that- He finally got something right. It's one of those broken clock theories. I even uh, I messaged Richard Ojeda on Twitter wants to let him know that someone was making fake accounts of his family members and John got mad at me and accused me of Messing with his guests trying to tell them not to come on which I never steal my friends I was just trying to tell the guy, you know It was right before the violence before I got else But uh, yeah, I don't if the legend is that player, I don't know.

He got, she got very mad at me. I showed his baseball, after we had like a little fight, I showed his baseball, his rookie cod wasn't worth anything. And he started spamming John's chat, trying to pay John to have me on with a mask because I think he wanted me doxxed. But I still don't know if he's that guy. I don't know. Okay. But he likes, he seems to whoever he is, I think he wanted me docks but I still don't know if he's that guy I don't know okay but he likes he seems to every is I

think he likes the control with his money like I can like even then I thought he was trying to be like oh look Nick I get the control whether you go on John's political show or not I'll pay him and you'll go on if I don't want you to come on you won't come on like I get that kind of feel with the guy like this it's so bizarre when I watch clay dabler or Rob solid go on judge I'm like people are so excited to talk to this guy for two hours. It's crazy to me like whoever Whoever like docks to me. He also like threatens clay all the time to like clay and I go I actually like

I think clay's hilarious on that show now clay's been getting some good digs lately. I give him credit I think Clay's hilarious on that show. Now, Clay's been getting some good digs lately. I give him credit. So what was the doxing? And I know it was kind of a long way to get there, but Darren and I have had conversations. You know, if you use a private investigator, there's legalities around that. If you're going to find out this information, what are you using it for? You could lose your license if you're just digging up dirt on people for, I'll use the word, nefarious reasons. Like to fuck with someone.

Yes. Yeah, that as far as I know, that's the only reason he did it was to, you know, he put my picture up as hard as it was to see it. But even that picture, I know where that came from. There's an eight year old child in that picture. So I don't know, somebody has that whole picture now, you know what I mean? To rudely interrupt you and go even further, it's a crime to identify yourself as a private investigator if you are not a private investigator. That's the first thing. The second thing is you have to have a permissible reason for the searches you're doing.

And the third thing is you have to keep records of what you're doing in case you're audited. So I've had a number of times, I'm based in New York, where I ran a search on somebody and the DMV reached out and went, why did you run the search? And I had to show the paper trail or the thread going, here's why I did that. And a couple couple days later They go okay cleared you're fine, and I have to renew my license every two years I believe in New York State every two years in North Carolina, etc. So if there is a Dustin Dustin has to specify

His license by the way it has to be hanging on a wall in a physical location. So where is Dustin's office? If there is a Dustin, where is his business? Where's the record keeping and why is he running searches on these people? And if he's not a private investigator, he cannot be legally telling people he is a private investigator. Not even a more like like John who can't tell that person? Well, if John- He did, but he just forgot.

Right. ... is perpetuating the idea that he's hiring somebody to threaten, well, John should be also keeping records and a paper trail of the searches that he's been asking for. Usually you have to do that in the form of a contract or a log, something along those lines. So I'd like to see his log, I'd like to see Dustin's license, et cetera. Otherwise, there might be some nefarious crimes

being committed right now. I don't think we're gonna find that paper, Trav. I don't think so either. He can't hang onto the title to his car. Right. Oh, so people in the chat do not think there is a Dustin. I'm sure that's not a real name. I know Julie's theory, and I might subscribe to this, is that this PI that he works with is just his brother-in-law. Oh, okay. He talks about all the time.

If the brother-in-law is in Florida, then he's violating different things under section 775 if it's California There's different statutes that if he's guilty could be a $10,000 fine and imprisonment New York has different laws. So It's not California John has zero friends in California not a one, but he said brother-in-law. Is it Susanna's? brother brother and Susanna's in California. Well, she moved she moved with John they're all from New York is it the same brother-in-law he got a fight getting to a fight with at the wedding well that's a good question I don't know that I think it's different right because the brother-in-law that

lives in Florida they just went to his house and he almost punched him out because of the election results no his brother-in-law that lives in Florida. They just went to his house and he almost punched him out because of the election results No, his brother-in-law's friend. Well, no, he said he's gonna punch out his brother-in-law at his brother-in-law's friend's house. I Mean who knows? What I found funny is like I was more honest with John about me than whoever this PI is like John kept saying that I Was the biggest is corner's PI. I'm the biggest Trump or in the devil verse and I'm the biggest Republican. Not that it matters, but then he's like, Oh, he's a Bernie bro. And he talks to me. I'm like, yeah, I told you that.

So it's like, he just, he got all this bad info. Like I was, I don't know. I was honest with the guy. I was naive enough to think that if you just, you didn't trash his kid, cause I am so against that. I defended his kids. I still have, he went after my family. I wouldn't dream of going after his family, you know, I mean and I mean I live You know by the accent I live near him a lot of his family, you know, I would never dream It's I don't know how they see that as a win the moral of the story is

John's not a good guy. And if you're a Rob Saul or a clay dabble has already found this out. It's like as soon as he feels like you've crossed him, he was just be like other people telling him information that's not true that he just believes immediately. He will try to ruin your life. He was asked and this I thought was very interesting. I believe it was clay dabble. He's like, what do you want to do ruin mumbling Nick's life? And john goes, Yeah, he said shit about my kid. So I'm gonna ruin his life. Don't even think about it. Yeah. And clay's like, what do you want to do ruin mumbling Nick's life? And John goes, yeah, he said shit about my kid. So I'm gonna ruin his life.

Didn't even think about it. Yeah, and Clay's like, well, that's not cool. But in John's mind, if you've slighted him in any way, you should lose your job, your house, your family, your lot, like, it's nuts the way he thinks. His revenge fantasy is no, no bounds. And his rules only apply to him. Yeah, because it's not his fault what he does when he docks his people He wasn't doing on purpose. Well to just just today on today's show with Brian Karam somebody put up

a picture of Brian Karam's wife. I played that cringe of the week. Yeah, okay. Perfect. Yeah, it's It's just I can't believe somebody would put up somebody's wife's Facebook picture. Oh my God. Like so outraged that it, but I'm like, it was just yesterday. You were justifying doing that to Kevin Brennan. That's part of, that's part of the reason. Like I even, like I said, I was nervous about coming on because this has kind of stopped and I hope it stays tough because I'm just going to disappear again after this. But every day this week he's been saying that, you know, he's against it stick to me

Like I didn't even trash him the worst thing I did to the guy was make an off-color joke That he amplified to make it sound worse and let people know it, you know, I had nothing I Have only ever defended this guy's family I was I'm just a working-class nobody that wanted one shot on a political show with him and Ojeda. That's all I wanted. And my family got harassed. You know, they threatened to contact my employee, all this stuff, you know. So when you say they, what is this entity?

It's just like John and like people you don't know. There's at least one other guy I don't know. There's someone on Twitter with a couple different accounts. I think the way they talk and they sound like they're the same person so I don't know who this person is Does it rhyme with? muttering gay It actually wasn't him now, okay I'm not a big enough fish for him to worry about thankfully you're right, but uh

Yeah, it's, whoever this is, this person and John seem to think as long as you don't threaten violence, everything's okay. Cause they would say all this stuff and they're like, and I know threatening violence is worse. I'm not saying it's not. No, but they're trying to intimidate you. They're just like, I know where you work. I know where your wife works. It's just like, yeah, that's not cool. Why are you saying that? What are you going to do with that? Yeah, he's trying to be that you guys have all documented this was fake mafia tactics Yes, you know he wants to be a mafia tough guy, but if anybody from if it actually existed

It stopped by John you'd see John shut up real quick. Oh, yeah, we never hear from John again, correct. Yeah All right, so Mummy Nick, I'm sorry that you went through that. It's fucking crazy. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. I've seen you bring it up, Carl, in the other shows and I'm still friends with some chatters that know how to get a hold of me and I've seen people defending me.

So I appreciate it. My family and I, we do appreciate it. Yeah. Well, I mean, hopefully all this garbage stops. I mean, everywhere, all the way around. Because there are these people on Twitter and people who are in John's ear, just trying to like get shit going and stir shit up. And so they tell John all these lies and then John

wants revenge and got bloodlust for this shit. He saw it email someone sent him. But let's let's let's analyze these these people that are doing this because the same people That got rob. Saul who is currently john's friend's phone number Had rob. Saul changing his number within an hour and a half That's true I think these people just like stirring shit doesn't matter. They're not necessarily On one side or another they just like stirring shit, correct And no, I agree. I even think the one of the person that went after me

I don't even think they're a fan of John they just like the right, you know This is what they do and let's be honest is even if you know where somebody works doesn't mean you can get them fired Did you know that this person is on the internet like yeah, everyone is I'm more worried about the harass like cuz yeah, I'm not I shouldn't even says but I've worked I have two jobs and I've worked there, both of them for forever. So, um, No one told me there was going to be boasting. Yeah, two jobs.

That means I'm making a ton of money. I got to work full of them. But yeah, that's what I mean, dude. I'm, I'm just someone that got into this and thought it was fun, man. And then it's not, it not this devil verse is not friendly His John would say yes Carl. Can you hit button three two and can you give it a run right there? Okay, yeah, I need some money right now Yes, so Darren let me just ask you this and we'll close things up if

Darren, let me just ask you this, we'll close things up. If mumbling Nick has other things happen, what should he do? Like what's the course of action? And not just for mumbling Nick, for other people who are getting these notes, like we know your wife's name and your kids, and we have photos and employers and all that kind of shit. There's a lot of different courses of action.

There's some people that are pacifists, and there's some people who like to have the online wars and be involved in this stuff. But the bottom line is who are these people that are harassing? Are they real investigators? What is the permissible reason that they have to be doing this? Because I think word needs to get out that these people are actually breaking the law in a nefarious way if they're posing as PIs, if they're investigating people that don't need to be investigated, et cetera. And it takes the fun out of the dabble verse. And I think that it's such a beautiful community that reminds you of Opie and Anthony at its peak and Howard Stern at its peak.

And if we all fight together to make it fun again, we'll keep it fun. But Nick, if it continues, get my contact info. I'll help if I know how to help. Thank you. I appreciate it. And I'm lucky enough, I do have a lawyer in the family. And I don't want to get anyone in trouble I guess so I even I was told to Message John and this person to just to stop because it needs if they keep going and going then it's harassment

So yeah, I let it be known weeks ago You know, I even said to John if you want to brag that you push me out of the devil verse Go ahead just nothing with my family nothing. No one one contacted my wife, this and that. So that has been established. So if it continues and continues, then yeah, it's considered harassment no matter what they're saying. So, and one thing, John, in case you're watching, I will even be the big man and say, I apologize for that off-color joke. That's why pencils have erasers. You claim let's keep family out of it. So let's keep family out of it. Let's end it and just don't go after anyone else's family either.

It's not it's not cool. That is why pencils have erasers. And remember the first blood principle, the most important principle to live by at all times. That was just confused. I like see I told you guys, let's get it. Let's have some fun. Let's bring Annie in what's going on Annie Hey, Carl. I love you. I love the show love you of the show Eddie Wait a second you're really stacking the deck today. Yes, I am

Bring in two more Alright, have you ever you ever play this game at home? Are you good at it? No, what's what's I'm actually not even sure. Okay, you'll you'll understand the the ground rules when you see it It's time for everyone's favorite new game show to poke a dabbler What do you say folks? Are you ready to poke a dabbler?

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All right super chat? He blocks me. He bans me. This fucking guy can dish it out, but he cannot take it. Can you, Cardiff? You fucking cowardly potato. I'm pumping brother and I'm coming for you motherfuckers. That's right. I am in the gym and when I'm in the gym, I'm thinking about the people who are gonna who are gonna fucking pay their debt to me.

Look out mumbling Nick mafia You know what DJ DJ Q goodbye fuck off I've had enough of you so thick skin this one 76 is mine. Goodbye I'm thin skin. Yeah Good fucking bye Good fucking bye. Thin skin thin hair. He's peeling he's in the gypsum peel the skin off of this potato. I think you better watch out I don't give a fuck They can't give a shit. I'll leave this shit tomorrow Tomorrow I'll be gone

How about your logo there I'm going to bring chorus to the intervention in school what intervention this five I don't know what the fuck you guys are talking about with Nebraska but I can't wait till this dud goes through I was only in Nebraska one time when I opened up for Bruce Dickinson. That's it. So I had and that was with my band in 1994. So I don't know what the fuck you guys are talking about. But go ahead, do what you want with this fucking Nebraska horse shit. Go ahead.

The fuck do I care? I love you all think there's something good happened in Nebraska. Someone's giving you bad intel and it's hysterical in Nebraska. Fuckin' hell. Who the fuck goes to Nebraska? At least say Iowa, at least I was there a few times. I don't even think I've ever done stand up in Nebraska. I don't know where I've ever done stand up in Nebraska.

I don't know where the fuck that came from. Can we say Nebraska there? Guys just pulled shit out of your ass. Cornediff, have you been crying because of this? No, I'm angry. Angry is different than crying. I just can't believe all these fucking assholes that come out of here and fucking decide

to fucking throw stones at me. Cause, oh, Dr. Steve, everyone's in love with Dr. Steve. They don't give a shit that Dr. Steve was on the fucking I hate stuttering John parade. They don't care about that what I miss that parade I hate parades but I would have went to that all right there was a float what did John drink next choices number one a new box of Insure. B, a new bottle of water.

Next, a red solo cup with unknown contents. Four, a can of Red Bull. And lastly, his own snot.ablin I could so see it being that no that really is a wild card right there I always go first in this game, and I would say I think he's gonna change up to me for a can of Red Bull He likes to get the insurer and that's his breakfast and lunch and then Some water because he was drunk the night before and then he starts getting his energy back What do you think Eric Nagel? Oh wait Eric's It's alright I'm gonna go with one

Technically insure. Yeah, but if you look in that video he can't afford real insure. He's drinking equate, which is the Walmart knockoff brand Maybe sad just Saves me two dollars All right, Darren. What do you think Red Bull Darren's going Red Bull as well mumbling Nick? So I have seen this good game kind of I'm gonna go with water I think he's gonna alternate and sure water and sure water all right You just want to say water a bunch of times Andy what do you think I? Think it's the unknown red solo cup

Okay, and producer Chris no one's picks not yet. I went for a red bull all right Oh, but you read you guys do realize the snot get in his mouth from his arm from his hand and drip Drinking out of a cup card if trust me. I was really so I went oh shit Put some monkey wrench and things All right, they don't give a shit that dr. Steve was on the fucking I hate stuttering John Parade they don't care about that. I should just be nice to him They don't care about that. I should just be nice to him You apologize and I'll consider it

That's not a good deal that's all for this time Back next time find it if you are hydrated enough to poke That one of you apologize with a hundy and then I'll consider it Sit Eugene sit good dog Good dog. Very good. Good stuff. Cardiff. Good stuff. Cardiff. I don't mind losing once in a while. Wow. There were the cards were stacked against you today. But we did who won today. I got it. Me Darren. You Darren got it. They're in beginners lock action.

Congrats on that. All right. We got it. We got a teaser. We got reviews and voicemails. But I want to I want to clear out the house. You guys have been here a long time and very generous with your your time today. So I want to thank Darren for coming on. We're gonna find you then the Peltrow cast. Peltrow cast.com at Peltrow. It's the most social media writes me I'll help you out or I'll cover

you or we can talk some Roth. Yeah, I believe I'll I'll be coming on the show very soon. So I'll announce that. Looking forward to it. Thanks so much for coming out and mumbling Nick. Thank you for coming out and telling your story. I'm sorry what these assholes were doing to you. Thank you guys. I appreciate it All right, buddy Be good. John is garbage. John is garbage, but the devil verses is

fantastic, so We hope you'll stay Yeah, I'm probably gonna bounce but it is what it is Versus Alright, I just won't just won't comment on John. I'm not even, it's not even worth it. But yeah, maybe I'll come back. Alright, buddy. I met some really good people in here, man.

There's some good people here. Yeah, there's some good people and there's me and Cardiff. Alright, thanks Nick. Good to talk to you. Thanks guys. And of course, our co-host, Eric Nagel today, who pulled a ton of shit we never got to. Yeah, there's something in there that you may want to do on the next show

that when I'm not around. Oh, all right. We'll have to talk for that. Or somebody I maybe used to work with. Some new information came up. Really? Yeah. Teaser. That is a tease right there. Wow. Like, you mean you have to be dead for him to do this stuff? What do you mean?

After the passing of Eric Nagel, we can release these tapes? No, no, just do it on the show that I'm not here so he can't say it's me. That I brought it to your attention. Understood. That's better. All right. So there's one. Then two, there's also maybe a clip that I found out this morning that he may have watched something that I produced and then started repeating it as his own on his live stream this morning. Interesting. Wait, should I play this stuff right now? Yeah, it's not important. It's going to take some time with some of that clip.

So do it at another time. All right. Thank you. But yeah, if I can promote my show, it's Art Nagle on iHeartRadio, available Apple, Spotify, YouTube, all those places. I have two videos up right now that are very interesting to explain what's going on with the shift in media and with radio. One is about the bloodbath that we just had at iHeart for the last week and a half and how some internal memos got leaked about what the company's doing. And I read those on the air between communications between them and sag after a and an internal memo that said that they want to reduce,

excuse me, the company by like 30% by March. Wow. So yeah, there's a lot of stuff, thousands of jobs. Yeah. So there uh, there's that video it's up on my YouTube channel. Uh, it's Eric Nagel right there. And the other one is, um, after the elections done is just showing how podcasting and streaming this year really became the year that showed that it made mainstream media irrelevant and the influence that it has everything from, and you know, showing fairness on both sides to where Kamala was on that club, Shayshae and call her daddy and what have you,

Trump everything from Andrew Schultz to Logan Paul, Joe Rogan. We know it was the, the precipice of it, but how all those podcast appearances meant more than her showing up on Howard, on Stephen Colbert, on Jimmy Kimmel, all those things. The news, it did nothing for her. And because of this shift, I'm starting to see research and stuff coming, ad sales and whatever. Next year is going to be a fucking amazing for people doing podcasts.

You thought these hundred million dollar deals that happened this year, which one I was aggravated with, but two that were happening there, you're going to start seeing a lot more of these companies going, holy shit, we need to cherry pick anybody else that has some sort of audience that we can reach more so than worrying about what they're doing on television. So check out next September. I'm starting a political show. Who are these politics? Yes, I'm going into radio. Yeah, radio is dead. Politics and podcasts and all that stuff. Fantastic for all that. So are they hiring over at censored.tv or?

I have no idea. I have no idea. I, my, my angle, my part of that was when Gavin went in and had that meeting, I wasn't even there. Yeah. I was in Dallas filling in for Dave Lando on his show. And I got a text the next morning, um, on my, getting on my flight saying, ah, this is what happened. Everyone's been let go and we're shutting the doors. So,

well we wish you luck. We wish you wish you luck through this blood bath. It's happening. I'm fine. If they do, if they do, oh well, I own everything. It's fine. If they don't, I'm just Milton from office space. They forgot I'm there and I'm collecting a paycheck. So I'm good. Hiding in the corner somewhere. Yeah. Awesome.

Well, thanks for coming out, Eric. I really appreciate it. No problem. Good to see you. Cardiff, good seeing you, Annie. Nice seeing you as well. Take care, guys. And Annie, what's this game on YouTube?

Absolutely. We just did a bonus episode today covering the extra content for the outer world. You can find that on my channel. What's dash this dash game? All right. And Kurt, if I know you're doing Subreddit surfing tonight, because I was invited to come out. Subreddit surfing tonight at 8 p.m. Watch people die inside.

But I'm also excited potato soup tomorrow speaking of radio John's air shift from 2019 Oh nice in some shit box radio station, California that he thought he was gonna be offered the job. That's hilarious Yes, let's listen to that tomorrow, but some are serving at eight Cardiff good question. Is that people dying inside like emotionally or people dying inside buildings because you're on rumble now You can show either right tune in to find out Annie All right, so that's a breaded surfing on rumble not my chin very good tune in for that and We've done it all today. So you know that means it's time for everyone's favorite part of the show

That's right, I can't believe I didn't have a whole bank of DLR drops on the board today I dropped the ball on that but but I'm prepping two shows today. It was a lot. So as I mentioned, if you're on our Patreon or our YouTube channel, you can watch us live in about two hours. We'll be doing a show with Dick Masterson and Sean. But what are we doing on Saturday that people are going to want to see? This is the part of the show we play a clip in the podcast that we'll be reviewing on the next episode to get you excited about the next episode It's gonna look a little something like this. So welcome back to another episode of dear dance mom

Thank you, it's fall here so it's fall y'all We got to get out our fall clothes. I said, I never see you in patterns. You usually wear solid colors, doesn't she? Yeah, I guess you're right. We're to see you in floral. Yeah. This is See you in floral. Yeah. This is Allison Olivia. I love her.

I love their stuff. This is how the show starts. Are these famous people? These are, I'm sorry, Cardiff? Is this like a Dance Moms thing or something? Are these like reality show people? These are reality show people. In fact, that one woman who started the show, Jill Vertes, has 2.4 million followers on

Instagram. Jesus Christ. Oh, Lord. This channel that we're looking at has almost 400,000 subscribers on it. And this is a suggestion from Generic Take in our Discord server. And I'm happy to say we'll be checking out Dear Dance Mom with one of our beloved co-hosts. Your podcast stinks! Heys your podcast stinks hey your podcast stinks

Pat Oates will be joining us on Saturday and we'll be checking out the dear dance mom where they answer questions from the listeners about what they should do as dance moms or so I'm told we'll find out I'm sure Cardiff is showing I'm sick Saturday, too You're gonna love it it's gonna be a fantastic episode We're all gonna have a great time and please Join us again because it might be the absolutely we find out once and for all who are these podcasts sleep well everypony Morning radio in the mosh pits of morning radio. And now this show is over now.

Mm. OK. Great show. Good job, everybody. Great job, everyone. Great job, everyone. Annie, do we have any new reviews? Yes, we only have one new review,

so I'll save it for whoever's coming in on Saturday. So I brought an old one from KVJO. You can do it now. But OK. Do what you get prepared. I look you know what? Do whatever you got for better. This show awful life better and immature Is that a five-star review no, that's a one star for you. Oh I won't stand for it

Oh. Hmm. I won't stand for it. All right. You want to hear some voicemails that are coming in? Yeah, I love the voicemails. Of course, they're always fun. Hey Carl, Curtis from Callback here. Well, looks like John's an election denier. Maybe we can fund him to protest with fellow Democrats on January 6th and see where that goes. Wow. No, we don't want him locked up for years.

That's not a good idea. Let's not go protest in Washington. And John's gonna be tempted to do it. No, he's not. He can't get out of the Florida. He can't afford the gas money we're talking about. Here's a question for you and me, producer Chris. Actually, Cardiff, you might be able to answer this one as well

Hey, Carl. Hey Chris. I Don't know if you two might know about this, but What do you do if you're in a band and the band fucking sucks? How do you deal with that? Thank you Greenland What do you think producer Producer Chris? It's never come up. What do you think? I joined bands that I like. Yeah. I can't think of a real joke answer. I guess you leave. I don't know. Well, the answer I learned this from Bill and Ted's is that you hire Eddie Van Halen to be the guitarist. Oh, that's how you make

your pan to get, although I don't think that one's going to work anymore. You have to find someone else I guess. Get Wolfie Van Halen. That's right. You get Steve Vai, Billy Sheehan, and Greg Bissonnette. Yes! Who would do such a thing? Gary in San Diego. Hey Carl, hey producer Chris, hey Adam. Hey, producer Chris. Hey. Hey, Adam. Well, it appears John missed the deadline for paying his 2023 taxes. I know he got an extension, but just this week he said, hey, he owes his accountant a thousand dollars and he needs to get his taxes released.

He doesn't have the thousand. He knew this was coming. He should have accrued the money. He's a jackass. Can't he figure out how to do TurboTax? It's not that hard. Judy does it all the time for me. Anyway, he's crazy.

Good. I'm glad he's not that hard. I don't do it, but Judy does. She's an idiot. It's kind of pretty easy, right? That's kind of rude there, Gary. That was backhanded. Good, I'm glad he's late. There's another penalty. Good for John. He doesn't have the money, but he's making money on his stocks like crazy. And what ever happened to that AMC stock that he bought and that marijuana

stock I forget the name of it where he met the guy in the airplane and he got off and bought a thousand shares at a dollar each another loss John good luck not a plug nickel for John rock and roll He could have used that thousand to pay his account and he writes Damn it and to be fair. He bought Cinemark not AMC Booming movie theater industry Cinemark is Destined to be acquired and the stock will go through the roof as that industry is booming of course I actually just bought I think I should hold you're saying I should hold onto my Werenberg. Yes. Yes.

All right. Our bisexual listener called into the show. Ooh. Hey, this is Bisexual Ball. And I'm telling you, I'm part of the 15% of the gay by WHTP audience members, because we know it's at least 15%. Like, almost out here. Anyway, hey, that ste dear toe fucking fag that dude

He's full of shit, you know what I'm saying you guys know they that that dude would never come on your show and challenge it and There he's full of shit It's sad that he's still on the air. What are you gonna do? But I don't know. Maybe you guys should bring him on and make us all be able to make fun of him. I don't know, through some fun method or some fun way

because that's the old toe dude. What? What is this content? What's the show about? God damn it, us bisexuals need to know! He sounds more like a Paco American than he does a bisexual American, but I didn't think that until he said, you know what I'm saying. Right.

I did know what he was saying though. This guy has my back. Hey, I'm calling to say fuck you to the guy who said fuck you because you said that now like, you know voting Trump or whatever that's like the more punk move and he said that wasn't true and that was corny or whatever I completely disagree I think if you look at it objectively Carl is correct I mean do you seriously think can you say with a straight face that being on the side of big government is what is actually punk no are you going to say with a straight face that being on the side of big government is what is actually punk? No. Are

you going to say with a straight face that being on the side of chevron, that's punk? I don't think so. I think what is punk is being on the side where you literally can't even voice your opinion on the internet for years without getting kicked off. I think that's more punk. But hey, what do I know? Also, by the way, I wanted to say this. As usual, the only thing liberals have as an argument is calling people weird and it doesn't work. But that's what he did. He just said, Oh, that shit was corny.

That was the most cringe thing. All you have is calling people weird. It didn't work for the election and you're still doing it now. Anyway, fuck you. Don't call me back. Political debates going out of the, in the voicemail. Here comes an Adam Bush fan calling in. Hey Carl, Long Iron's here. I'm a big fan of Adam Bush on the show. He's pretty much

the professor emeritus of Stud Joe, I gotta say he knows every nuance and I just couldn't he brings up the Richard the third posture and how similar it is to stud show which means we've gone to a next intellectual level with this moron anyway don't call me back and he nailed it you're too smart for the devil first get out of here All right Deluxe calling the show. Oh deluxe. I think you were asking why does John always take pills that way on his show? And I do believe it is because all me major

Richard Ojeda takes them that way. I thought it was on your show, but he held up a box that was like a clear tub or a thing the size of a shoe box and I think he said he takes 18 or 19 Medications, it could have been 14, but I thought he said 19 Medications he's a wacko He goes back six years Ojeda endorsed and voted for Trump and then Trump called him a stone-cold wacko which he is and he's hated him ever since and his latest comment was we're gonna be sorry when a straw single strawberry cost ten dollars give me a

fucking break don't mean to make it about politics peace all right is that why John's taking meds on his show card if he saw a friend do it No, he's he needs to prove to his children that he's taking his medications. You know longer drinks And he takes his medication to show this family. He's doing the right thing and maybe one day they'll talk to him again And apparently is a 440 credit score To that credit score thing. Could you imagine that going better than it did oh my god No, it could have gone in the world You freaked out so hard over this, nuts!

The 440 doesn't even exist. I guess it does right? Somewhere okay, that's nuts That was a very funny troll John will never realize that his family cares more about what's coming out of him than what he's putting inside of him. Good point. It is nuts to me that he never sees his children. I realize they're adults, but never sees them.

Well, he made a claim today Oh. that he'll be having Thanksgiving in New York with his kids. Okay, so does that mean? Susanners coming to New York to and the kids are coming Does that mean they're not gonna see Susanna? It's interesting the devil verse needs to know and we'll find out Well, it's not like Jennifer lies about stuff. So true. How did job go today? We have a

comment on the bloody ass song coming in. Yeah, I'll make this quick about bloody ass. Enough with the fucking bloody ass song. Fucking sucks. What? Gotta compete with the game. But now we get to have different versions of it. Heavy metal. What's next? Calypso? Yep, it's a polka beat. It fucking blows you cover stuttering John. I want to hear the gear I'll say it again that are in John. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I'd put a pole out, but that guy's convinced me We're going back to Kiki as the standard for John. Well I'm separate TT TT says that's wrong So now I don't know what to think Hmm well put out a poll. I think that caller has a bloody ass. Yeah, right.

What style we should do next? Yeah, so what style of bloody ass do they want to hear? That's the real question. How about let's do this the John way. Saturdays are for bloody ass. There you go. And then Richard O'Jett on on Wednesdays, right. One more voicemail cow photographer checking in. It's a cal photographer. It's

been a busy couple weeks. I'm catching up. Definitely Michigan said they're not the Midwest. Maybe technically because Michigan's a bunch of troglodytes, but I'm from Ohio. Ohio is also, you know, a great lake state, but it's also the Midwest. So, fuck that guy from Michigan. Ohio's a great lake state, but it's also the Midwest. So buck that guy from Michigan. Ohio is the greatest state in the union. Uh, go fuck yourself. Michigan guy. I mean, I get the rivalry between Ohio and Michigan, but you can't say it's the greatest state when you've moved away from there. Yeah. It doesn't even like, uh, Portland now or something

thinking about Oregon and he's talking about Ohio's great Just saying Kyle photographer. It doesn't seem like you love your state that much Hunter Duke says fuck, Ohio Those are fighting words Watch out of Kyle photographer. Here's this it's gonna be a real problem All right, let's get out of here team Duke Go watch subredban Surfing. Suburban Surfing at 8. 20 minutes on Rumble. Suburban Surfing. Trucker Andy will be in there.

Who's gonna be there? Trucker Andy. Oh nice, well that'll be fun. And of course if you're a member of this channel, if you're not, you should be, but you can, well you have to be if you're watching this live. We're doing the bonus show with Dick Masterson coming up at 9 30 p.m. Eastern time Okay folks guess what? Go fuck yourselves have a good week Are we done here I think we are Have a good week. B-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b