Who Are These Podcasts? - Ep592 - The Exploring Antinatalism Podcast

Episode Date: January 30, 2025

On this episode we learn what it is to be an antinatalist. This is a philosophy that calls for the extinction of the human race and possibly all other sentient life forms. Basically they think if something bad could happen then you should never risk it. Have these people ever seen a casino? It would blow their minds. Adam Busch joins the show and is blown away by how much fun the host of an antinatalism podcast is having. Rob Saul lashed out at me and it reveals a lot about what’s going on in his head. Aaron Imholte told his audience that he’s broken my brain; we prove that he’s lying about me and has zero credibility. Opie continues to use a random tweet that wasn’t about him to go hard at Jim Norton. Chad Zumock has been begging for our attention for years and now he’s upset that we acknowledged him for some reason even he can’t figure out. Fleece Johnson is now sorry about raping guys in prison. Stuttering John has a new Cameo about Woke Dad and his new one man show is terrible! Annie joins the show to read some recent reviews and listen to your voicemails.  Adam’s latest project, Allie Goertz cover of NiN’s March of the Pigs: https://youtu.be/WmlKjPNCZ6M  Support us, get bonus episodes, and watch live every Saturday and Wednesday: http://bit.ly/watp-patreon https://watp.supercast.tech/ Come to Hackamania May 9-11 in Las Vegas with promo code WATP – https://hackamania.com/ Get 45% off the Magic Mind bundle by using our link – magicmind.co/watpshowjan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Soon, so get on there stop procrastinating Hackamania.com WATP also we encourage our listeners give us five stars wherever you review podcasts and show offers in the comment section We'll be reviewing a show called the Exploring Antinatalism podcast. This is a suggestion from Robo Shitstain MK 9000 in our discord. We both listened separately. We've not discussed it with each other beforehand. Let's get into it. The show hosted by Amanda and Mahdi. Mahdi is a Finnish philosopher

who teaches courses on business ethics and philosophy of social science at some University in Finland. I'm sure you guys wouldn't know what it was if I did the research so I didn't bother. So were you familiar with antinatalism Adam? I mean I was not familiar with it as a podcast but it was definitely effective because it made me want to kill myself. Well good yes well they don't want you to do that per se. They just don't want you to procreate. In fact, why don't we start off,

I have a little video they put at the end of this that kind of sums up what we're talking about. So we'll all be on the same page. Consistent antinatalism must come to terms with the fact that its consequence is the demise of species. At least for humans, this could be accomplished voluntarily. For some time, the possibility of human extinction was seen to count against antinatalism. Surely our species must survive. We question this premise.

Opponents of antinatalism believe that reproduction itself gives meaning to our existence. Having children raising them up to have more children gives purpose to human life. We argue that while this is true, it is also the strongest argument against reproduction. It places parents in the horns of a procreative dilemma. If generations continue to follow one another, sooner or later someone in their line will have a truly miserable life. Parents raising their children to have more children will be guilty of creating that misery. They can avoid this by teaching their children not to have children of their own, but by doing so, they deny their offspring the purpose in life that they themselves achieve by reproducing. Either way, procreators are doomed to morally corrupt themselves.

Basically, the point of this philosophy is life is bad. Procreation is bad. Life. And anything that results in suffering is negative, and should not happen. That kind of sums it up. Like, even if your kids are great, and their kids are great, what if one of their kids has Hitler, has baby Hitler, then you fucked up, you never should have kids to begin with. It's all your fault. It's kind of what it comes down to. I was comparing this with nihilism because I thought, okay, this kind of sounds like these people are nihilistic. So I did some research on this and

actually very different philosophies. Antinatalists assign a negative moral value to life. Because bad things can and will happen, it's a bad thing to have life. Whereas nihilists assign no moral values to anything. So basically, it's like, who cares? Nothing matters. Right. If you're a nihilist. So the nihilists are just shruggers. Yeah, they're just like, okay, I have more kids.

These other guys have an agenda. Whereas these guys are like, bad things matter. Right. And more than good things happening, so it has to be stopped. It seems to have to do with something called sentient creatures. Yes. Things they can feel. Correct. Yeah, so apparently this guy Mahdi, the philosopher, came up with this theory that's the best argument for antinatalism.

One argument, however, championed by some, yet criticized by others, stands head and shoulders above the rest. And that is the risk argument for antinatalism. You trigger a new life, and thereby subject that new life to the risk of unspeakable suffering. Even those who are not antinatalists should be alarmed how little thought seems to be given to this by the overwhelming majority of procreators. If it is impermissible to impose the risk of catastrophic harm on others, regardless of its probability of occurrence, then procreation should indeed be regarded as a presumptively impermissible activity.

You may enjoy smoking and think it worth all the risks that accompany it, but do you have a right to force such a habit on another? In creating a child, one is doing just that, forcing life on another without their consent, unmindful of the harms they are subjecting them to. What? So this episode is called 20 years on and still at risk. It's the 20th anniversary celebration of Maddy's 2004 article, a rational cure for pre reproductive stress syndrome, the origin of the argument for antinatalism. Have you ever had pre-reproductive stress? I get nervous sometimes beforehand.

Yeah, yeah. Okay, fair enough. The dinner bill is like over 400 bucks. All right, fair enough. So let's meet this guy, Maddie, who penned this interesting... I just want to say real fast, she was not what I was expecting to see as the host of this show, but he was. He was exactly what I was expecting.

This is what you'd expect. Here today, we have the ultimate genius who 20 years ago in 2004 published in the Journal of Medical Ethics his seminal irrational cure for pre-reproductive stress syndrome, the locust classicus of the risk argument for antinatalism, Mati Hayre, 20 years on and still at risk. And here he is now. Welcome Mati. Thank you, Amanda. Good to be on this side of the show for a change.

What do you have in mind for me today? What's really odd about this, these people are humorless. They're having no fun in life whatsoever. But for some reason they have a drive to them. They're putting out these shows, these shows last for an hour and a half. It's this long scripted conversation that they have with each other. They act out parts of it. It's the only time they seem to have any fun in their lives is agreeing on how we shouldn't exist anymore. Right. And there's a lot of different philosophies around

this and they explore all of them, every single one. So here is, here's the argument. And there's a lot of different philosophies around this and they explore all of them, every single one. So here's the argument. And it depends on what your definition of antinatalism is, apparently. If you are primarily against human reproduction, then the argument is that if people have children, then something can go wrong. The children can have awful lives or they can make someone else life awful or they can make life awful for other animals on earth. If on the other hand your antinatalism means not bringing sentient lives into existence, then the danger you have in mind is probably suffering. Don't produce children or puppies or kittens or calves.

They will experience pain and anguish. I have my doubts about that being a risk argument at all because some suffering is inevitable in sentient beings. So basically what he's saying here is we should stop procreating as humans or other animals that we have control over the procreation of. You know, those examples that he threw out there

with puppies and kittens and calves. But then there's also this idea of all life should cease to exist. Then if your antinatalism means annihilating or gradually eliminating all life on earth and beyond, then the danger, the harm that you are talking about can be sentience possibly evolving from any life or just that all life is evil as such.

Like with the sentience thing, I'm not sure that the last one, all life is evil, should be discussed on the probability of harm because again the postulated harm is Inevitable create life create evil so wife is strong be proud Life equals evil. It's inevitability That evil will come out of life now for me. I don't understand this argument because you can't have good without evil For me, I don't understand this argument because you can't have good without evil I guess that's this idea of what heaven would be like every day is an amazing day. Well, that sounds boring and shit That's not possible You gotta have good to have bad. You gotta have happy and sad

have to coexist Doesn't make any sense together, right? Doesn't make any sense otherwise, but she's gonna play a little devil's advocate for us here. Thank goodness Just being a little devil's advocate here But risk is something that people argue can be controlled and in everyday life can and must What if parents dog breeders or what have you, you know, really really really really careful and cautious? And averted all the risk. Just saying.

Yes, not any implausible. That was funny. Very good script reading. She said for reallys. What if people are like really, really, really, really careful? Well, I would say if they're really, really, really, really, really careful, then maybe. I Don't know about that Yes, not an implausible argument that but either Unrealistic or question begging I believe I mean there will always be a possibility

however small that the hovering of the parents will not be enough and that the child will have a horrible life after all. So even the parents try to do their best. I feel like these people watched the first act of Bambi and were like, what's even the point? It's all just suffering and sadness. We gotta stop doing this. What do you think, Anna? Bad things can happen or could happen, therefore we shouldn't even try? we shouldn't even try? I mean, I like the idea of all of these things as like a punk philosophy, a folk music idea, or even just an anarchistic like, fuck it. I like that it exists. I personally don't subscribe to it, nor do I enjoy it as a podcast. But I like the fact that it exists. It just is very funny that these people don't realize that life is a subjective experience.

And I understand if you've had a horrible life and your father's had a horrible life and your kid has a horrible life, you might look at the world and say, what is the point of this? I don't see any other options. But it's funny to think that you could reach that point and then still be inspired to do a podcast.

Right. And like put out entertainment and edit it. And it has like an appropriate song in the beginning and animation and like all of this thought and good work that they've done. It's not bad, it's just not for me. So I'm having a trouble, you know, getting both of these things in my brain but I do

like that it exists. Well it's funny you say that because I wrote in my notes if this philosophy was around in ancient times like during feudalism it would make nothing but sense. So we just keep having popping out babies and they're just slaves to the Lord. And then there's this black plague shit. Yeah the black plague goes well that's a lot of suffering these fucking rats that I'm sleeping on suck. I can see really be like we should just stop procreating. Yeah that makes black plate goes well. That's a lot of suffering. These fucking rats that I'm sleeping on suck. Like I can see really be like, we should just stop procreating.

I'm like, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah. What do you think joy was like back then? Right. Fucking that's why they didn't get bit by a rat today. Getting laid was really at, when you turned 12, that's what you did. You're like, all right, things are better than they used to be. That's cool. Oh, they waited till 12, huh? Well, back then, yeah. They also, they do a lot of pointing out that having kids is not the purpose of life. Right. And I think there's an argument for that, and there's an argument against that.

But the one thing they do say that I like, which is like, we're just trying to tell people to think before they have kids. And I don't think that's bad They're like I've heard people say you know there's a you need a license to drive you need a license to do a lot of things Why don't you need to pass some kind of test to have kids? I'm not necessary I mean, I don't want to test to have kids but the idea of that that concept of just thinking before you act

Nothing wrong with that right Genesis Adam Bush. Do you want to come? I mean not all the time Okay, fair enough. I agree with some other points. Yeah, I mean So here's an example of them They're reading a script for this entire time for 90 minutes and the sometimes they screw it up and this woman Amanda You've acted with people like this not recently hopefully but the people who are like wording what the other actor is saying, and like waiting for it to be their turn to say their thing. Watch that. Call that the stuttering John post stroke or the Bert Kreischer. Oh, did you see that? We're Bert Kreischer was reading the teleprompter at

the Tom Brady roast. I didn't Yeah, I forget who the comic was. But he walked over in front of Burt and then everyone could see in the camera shot Burt staring there and mouthing the words the guys were saying like an idiot. Wow. But yeah, this woman is obviously the one who wrote this. So with that danger looming large, far better to abstain from having children. And this is reminiscent of what the childless for environmental reasons say today. So you see she's like, okay, you got to keep going here. Okay, yeah, now I'm paying attention. I gotta say. She looks like a dance mom when her kid is on stage. She's just going through all the...

I'm a huge fan of William H. Macy and this is his greatest role. I just want to say. He can do it all again. Yeah. It's pretty impressive. I, I would hate to watch sports with these assholes. Well, what did the bills lose? It might happen, but dude, come on. We're trying to have fun over here. The fuck? All right. So, uh, this is where she's, this is funny because she's shaking her head here and he's like, I'm sure you remember, she shakes her head, but then I guess she got the body language wrong on the script because this doesn't make any sense.

You surely remember from our preparations for the book, there was Democritus, the founder of the Atomistic School. It's been a minute since I looked at any quotes from Democritus concerning this issue. Let's see what he has to say. Having children is dangerous. Success is full of trouble and care. So this is what I'm talking about. Like there is a lot of editing involved and they pop in these different quotes and they

show these different things. But he's like, you remember that? She's like, oh yeah, of course. Oh, I mean, no, I don't, I don't know. What was it? Remind me. I yeah, of course. I mean, no, I don't I don't know. What was it remind me? I thought she wrote this. I think she did whoops, so Democratist this guy whoever he is had some really dumb things to say this doesn't I'm guessing let me just play this for you

I'm guessing this isn't age. Well, this probably doesn't make sense in today's day at age Anyone who has a need for children would do better, I think, to get them from his friends. He will then have a child of the sort he wishes, for he can choose the sort he wants, and one that seems suitable to him will by its nature best follow him. There is this great difference. Here you may choose among many as you will and take a child of the sort you need, but if you produce a child yourself there are many dangers For you must make do with the one you get so this is the guy from Nambla. I was gonna say crystal is into this How fun is that just like yeah, I mean you gotta get a wife and she's pregnant for nine months That's a whole thing just wait for one of your buddies to have a cab

Yeah, you don't even know what you're gonna get right take that one That doesn't really it's spoken. It's spoken from the point of view of somebody who's never had a kid because you don't look for the kid you like you accept the kid you have no you're thinking about it all wrong Adam written by Mario Bosco I'm waiting till there at least nine or ten and then I decide which kid are you you and you this is a virgin right. Yes, totally. All right. Now this though, to your point,

and I'm glad that this exists. There should be people who think this way. This is actually my version of antinatalism summed up right here. My antinatalism to me means that I don't have children. I don't intend to have children. And I wouldn't mind, might even be pleased if no one else had children either.

Yeah, especially on the plane. Right, in the restaurant. Honestly, I don't have children or don't have children, as far as you know, correct. And like if all my friends didn't, that'd be more fun. If they'd be able to hang out more and stuff. That'd be cool You see more sure about it than he does he says I might be pleased Would you like us to get rid of all the kids and stop procreating because you might enjoy it. How's this sire? Yeah, I mean Jesus you should be a little more

Assertive or certain about that if that's the thing you want. This is my problem You can believe this you can believe anything you fucking. Just stop trying to nail it to the natives feet. Well, to your point, when you have philosophy, that's controversial, you really got to sell it. If Hitler was just like the Jews might not be great. You know, I doubt that. I doubt the people would like, you know, seeing them as others and non humans, you, you have to be really, uh, you have to have some conviction when you go for these things. Um, all right, well, let's talk about reproduction and how, uh, irrational that is. All human reproduction is irrational. When people consider the possibility of having children, they confront the following choice. They can decide not to have children, in which case nobody will be harmed or benefited. The value of this choice in terms of potential future individuals and their lives is zero. Alternatively, they can decide to have children,

in which case a new individual can be born. If this happens, the life of the future individual can be good or bad. The eventual value of the decision, depending on the luck of the reproducers, can be positive, zero or negative. Since it is rational to avoid the possible negative outcome when the alternative is zero, it is rational to choose not to have children. Can I just explain why this argument's stupid? Uh, go ahead. Okay, I'll give you my take. I want sloppy seconds. Okay. My take is, they're saying that lives are either good or bad.

Yeah. That's retarded. You know? Like, how was your life? Mine was good. How was yours? Mine was bad. How was that determined?

You gotta shit that. Your parents never should have procreated. I know. I told them it would probably be bad too. The fuck. What was your thought on it Chris? Again written by a virgin Yeah, because it's not just one or the other you can have one by mistake well

And then there's to come on the tips method that I like to endorse Right, but you pull out game better be spot-on man. It does okay. It does It does have to be is my point Well, that's interesting because we talk about you know It does. It does. It does have to be, is my point. Well, that's interesting, because we talk about, you know, incels or sexually repressed people and how, especially in younger people, it tends to come out as violence, or they tend to, you know, take it out on those around them.

Imagine if you didn't see any good in your life. Imagine if you saw no good in your parents, which is a very common feeling, I'm sure. And you feel alone in these feelings. A group like this would make you feel a little less alone. My only issue is when they start putting you to work on the podcast. That seems too much. Yeah. I like Adam's thought for recruitment is just like, yeah, you don't, I don't even wanna have sex. Yeah, I'm not even trying to. Procreation is bad.

But you know what, it's funny, you said I might have seen people mouthing words before. You often see it in writers on a set or when they're like dance moms, like we were saying, when it's almost sexual. It's almost like an out of body experience. It's almost like I wrote this thing in this beautiful woman or this intelligent man I admire is saying it all and I'm saying it with them and you see she's standing and she is all engaged

She's into this. So whatever she's missing in her life. She's getting from this. She's not promoting Antinatalism she's promoting, start a podcast. Right, yes, you're right. She's way too enthusiastic about this. That's a really good point. Yeah, that's funny. And she's right, go ahead, start a podcast. It's fun. It is. Get a green screen. Not for most people, but. Well. So then they begin discussing, like I was saying before, eugenics. So that's the idea of, well, if the person, if we can test and see the person's not going to have the best genes or is going to have disabilities or different things, then let's put an end to that. And they also talk about the singularity theory, Kurzweil's theory. And that's the idea that we'll

eventually morph with machines and live forever. So those are two different philosophies. Like, well, it's just, if we're going to have humans, let's only have the perfect humans. Or let's stop procreating and just live forever right now. So as that happens, there's some production value coming into this because watch this, another podcast or another channel shows up and interrupts them. Select the best ones by genetic tests or change the world so that anyone can have a good life. Soft-headed pro-natalism in these guys. About the same message as David Piers with his happy-making technologies and Aubrey de Grey with his plans to live forever

nothing for a hard-boiled anti-natalist to be proud of yes it seems to drift towards the never-never land of eternal bliss from there no question about out well hang on it's perfectly possible to be a credible anti-natalist and still amenable to the ideas of ending the pain and living longer. Oh, look at that. He's not just a pretty voice of the old brave move that breaking the fourth or is it the third or second wall. Good stuff.

Good stuff. I told you we wouldn't be able to contain him, not with his YouTube channel, now with over 5,000 subscribers and all. How do we get him back into his whispering box? She's all excited that there's a guy with 5,000 YouTube subscribers. Whoa, he's too big for the rest of us. We can't handle him, we can't contain this guy.

So this is Antinatalist Social Club, Lawrence Anton. And if you want to see what Lawrence has to say on this topic, I did look this up. Thought we might have some fun because obviously he's the big guy in the space, Adam. So yeah, I think like the main sort of conclusion I got to that got me to Antinatalism is just recognizing that like creating someone else I'm just talking about like me for now I

obviously have views about procreation generally or whatever but I'm just talking about me for for me to create someone else just seems completely pointless when I look at it from like their point of view. That's odd. It's pointless when you look at it from the person who I created's point of view. That's really the only thing but he hasn't been the same ever since Stephanie dumped him. Yeah, let's hear about it. Maybe he's got a good point. I mean obviously I can look at it selfishly but I could do that in like loads of other aspects of my life and it's not a good point. I mean obviously I can look at it selfishly but I could do that in

like loads of other aspects of my life and it's not necessarily good to act selfishly right. So when I look at it from the point of view of like the person I'd be creating I just see nothing to gain from that. I mean sure if I created them them, I could try and help them have what would be considered a good life, but the only reason that they need that in the first place or even want it is because I created them. It makes no sense, it just goes around in circles. No, no, that wasn't a circle. That's why you have to take care of them, because you created them and promised you.

It's the same thing when you take home a dog, just kind of an unspoken contract that you're gonna take care of them because you created them and promised you it's the same thing when you take home a dog just kind of an unspoken contract that you're gonna take care of it's less of a circle and more of like a tree like a family tree what about cats yeah isn't that an odd thing to say it's just like well then if I have a kid this kid's gonna want to have a good life and if he wasn't born he wouldn't even know he'd want to have a good life it's just a lot of responsibility on me now, right? But it started with he was concerned about them

Now doesn't sound like so much I'd say there's an argument for rescuing dogs, right? There's an argument for but like I get adopt if that's what you're saying But it is very telling and interesting that some people have Abusive lives or they're depressed and they're like, I am going to have a kid, so that kid never has to suffer the way I did. I'm taking what I learned and I'm giving them the opposite.

Or they say no one should ever have kids because they're so depressed that like, I'm incapable of that. And that's probably just where he's at. You know, he thinks he is incapable of giving to someone something he never received. And it's hard to blame someone for that. It's just the idea of broadcasting your head,

saying all that, that I keep getting hung up on. Right. Like, I chose not to have children, and I've never thought to do a podcast about it. It's just like, that's something that I decided and moved on. Was it a choice or was it just a thing that happened? No, it wasn't a choice. Okay.

So was it after seeing this podcast or? It was a very sudden choice. Okay. I mean, I don't know. We're new friends. And then to add on top of that pointlessness and the fact that they can't gain anything from it because the only thing that they could gain from it is is a what's called a good life. But they're only satisfying a desire that I was the one who put in them

in the first place. And yeah, so if it itches, scratch it like that sounds, yeah, we could be here all day. On top of all of that pointlessness, um, there's like a whole load of risk involved in that and, and, and guaranteed suffering as well. Um, and, and death as well, like, you know, I'm not looking forward to dying. I don't know how I'm going to die. Um, and if I can't answer those questions about my own life, it's not unique to you. And if I can't answer those questions about my own life... It's not unique to you.

So yeah, so basically he's having existential Mm-hmm issues and so he's putting that on people who don't even exist yet The best thing that happens they could have a good life. Yeah, that's right That's that's the hope. So this is the opposite of Woke Dad. He's a hero for not having kids. Yes. Okay. I'm getting it now. Now this guy, Mahdi, is not just a philosopher, he's also a musician.

Of course. Oh yeah. And actually, you brought this up at the beginning of this episode. They put in in post this little animation thing they did that includes a song they sang that talks about should we have done a 90 minute episode describing every different philosophical angle on this thing? Or was that going to be too much for people to comprehend? And it's one, two, three, what are we fighting for? Don't ask me, I don't give a damn. Next stop is Vietnam.

And if I six, seven, open up the party game. There's no time to wonder why whoopie, we all gonna die. We're all gonna die. Amanda. This is a catchy ditty, isn't it? You know that song. And I song. And Amanda's having way too much fun with it too, for a person just like, no one should exist in this world. Let's go! Second verse! Yes? I just finished watching our 20 years and still at risk. Yes? It's alright, I suppose. 20 years is 20 years, and the argument needed an airing.

But, come on, did we have to go through all the early Christians and ancient Greeks and ethical theories and responsible parenting and all that? Yes, we did. The argument has been around for at least two decades now and people are still getting it wrong. All that was needed to give it the background, the context that it deserves. If someone stops viewing it the sight of Democritus, their loss. Alright? Mmm, I suppose.

So come on all you big son man, I'm telling you... It's such a weird bag of bars! I know! The worst episode of Dr. Cantz ever! Can you get me a beer? That fucking sucks. Dr. Cantz ever can you get me a beer? But he has other songs to of course I does some parodies here is a real nowhere man by the better nevers Better never to have been This your parents didn't see So they sent you down that road of misery Failed to grasp asymmetry All right, we can fast forward. There's a funny light in here, funny verse I want to play for you. On existence let me stay Can there be a brighter day? without you and me and without anyone

That's fun Wouldn't things be great if we weren't here. We're fucking everything up a dude Okay, that's good. It's just funny to think that he likes the Beatles he finds joy in this music he's worked on his musicianship he's not great but here's him playing a little bit for us live I've got a hole in my soul between sentience and space I've got a hole in my soul between sentience and space And the day is Friday and the color is black I love that cure song Anyone produce this guy

No, it sounds perfect just how it is. Okay. He's got it down Mm-hmm. So I mean the song really only ends if he smashes the ukulele or jumps out the window There's really no other ending for I didn't get to the head. So it's very possible both those things happen. I Just feel like if these people spend a little bit more time trying to make their lives better like they're putting a lot of energy into this They might enjoy that last that last shot. She you know is all black with the very fine Elaborate intricate drawing and at some point she was like I want my sweater to be purple Can we make it purple and then she did and I must have made her happy she was satisfied with it I'm sorry. That's life. It doesn't get any better than that. That's the best we have to offer here on our

Prison planet we've accepted it. You're not wrong, but you're still actively Participating against your will but you are participating so that should bring us together just a little bit Well, there's another guy who's not having any fun in life and he's part of our Now Unfortunately, I don't have more of this video but thank you for penis wrinkle for capturing this and putting it up on X because Rob saw took this down after he did the video. He's very angry. He's an angry guy. This Rob saw it's too bad. I wish I could cheer him up or something. All right. So, uh,

thank you. We got a penis. We're putting this up. Then Carl. Yeah, he must be on said I should work. Yeah. On my own call job. I'm on real thin ice. You fucking faggot. So wait, I said, so let me just give some context to this. According to Rob Saul, because we were saying, what does Rob think Chad can do to him at his job? If Chad shows up and causes a problem, they'll kick him out. He can't get Rob fired just by showing up there. I've had people who didn't like me have come to my workplace before. It's like you have all the control. You're the one who's employee at the workplace. So it didn't make any sense

to me. And I don't think I said anything about thin ice. I could be wrong. I said it. But Rob's very upset. I'm the faggot. Rob's very upset that somebody said he must be a thin ice at his workplace. I probably said something like he's a shit employee if he thinks he can get fired just because a guy shows up he doesn't like. That was the gist of it. Yeah, you have no confidence in what you do and how well you do it.

But this is how angry that made him. Yeah, on my own call job. I'm on real thin ice, you fucking faggot. That's what you are, Carl. You're a fucking faggot. And I feel sorry for that fucking beautiful elderly woman wife of yours that she's got to be married to this closeted faggot that wants to suck Anthony Kumi his dick so hard that he can't even take it.

Ugh. And then Carl. There's something to be said of a guy who really gets angry with that word. Like it reflects very poorly on the gentleman doing that. It's not so insulting to me because it's 2025 and I don't give a fuck. We're not in high school, so I'm not really worried about it. But the fact that he goes to that, like that's gonna like really get to me like, oh no, he knows my sexual proclivity. But then also to then tie it into

sucking Anthony Kumia's dick. Rob used to think he was friends with Anthony Kumia. Is there a reason why that guy's name came into his brain when he was talking about someone being an F slur? It's a fantasy. It seems like it right? It's that's a weird connection to make in a Probably drug-addled alcohol infused brain That is spewing these things out to try to it's very. It's very interesting, because I'm used to seeing Rob trying to drum up anger so he can share with John what he's feeling, and it's usually about things

he doesn't quite really care about, and he's very high pitched, and he's just trying to find, yeah, yeah, it's a... Stevie Wonder. Yeah, but now that he's really mad, it's kind of, Karl's gonna, get him, and it's like all of a sudden his voice gets real low, and he has no problem talking, and he's very deliberate, because this is

how he really feels. This is him expressing himself. It's like how stutterers can sing. Yeah, this guy cannot finish a sentence, he says um and er, and he loses his train of thought, but then he starts calling me the F slur all of a sudden like he's given a speech. It was like a Nicole Bass thing where it's all kind of up here but then when you fuck with them it gets all down there real fast. You know?

Speaking of stutterers, he's living out John's dream to call you that. Oh yeah. He's always holding back from that. Oh yeah, you're supposed to say just do it. You didn't get the memo on that Rob? You're not supposed to say that. Yeah he doesn't think he's responsible Rob for any of the things he said on SJ's show supporting John because he thinks that was just me being a co-host. No you said them. You're responsible. You can't be the vice president and say no that's the president's policies. I'm different. Like that's you. So you're acting like, where does Carl come from with these criticisms?

You haven't been doing exactly this for the last year. It's all you. Rob, we warned you about this. We told you about this. We said, don't go down this route. It's not gonna work when he's not there. This is not a show. And he's just doubling down on it.

And it's not different when they make fun of you, Rob. It's the same thing as when we make fun of anybody. And it's the same thing as when you make fun of other people. It's not different because it's you. And he did email me since this, because I retweeted this from Penis Wrinkle. And Rob's like, I'm not going to apologize to you for belittling, I'm like, everyone in the back,

I go, Rob, I'm a grown man, I don't need an apology. I love this thing where it's just like, I'm not going to apologize to you for Bella. I'm like, I wrote it back. I go, Rob, I'm a grown man. I don't need an apology. I love this thing where it's just like, I demand satisfaction. Give me an apology. Go fuck him to apologize to me or my wife. Whatever you think and say you think and say, I'll give a shit. But I did invite him on this show because he was like, I'm not going on point double point where the shoelace are there and people behind the scenes who don't like me. I was like, I will come out with me and Adam Bush and producer Chris. And I didn't hear back

from him. Oh, come on. Come on on. Come on. I know. I'm starting to think that he's like a pussy or something. Me an apology. This whole world of apologies and shit. Who gives a fuck? I'm only half Jewish. You can be comfortable. Don't worry about it. She won't be here. It'll be all good. Oh, no, he definitely not going to show up. Oh, half. I can't. It's funny how many people would do point dabble point if she wasn't there. It's amazing. Or they just use it as an excuse. Like I would. There's a surely there's a Rob Saul long list of talented people. Well, we do have a new cameo that we're going to show coming up later. I have some of John's stand up and I put together a video that I'm very excited about for John's

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that this guy is constantly lying about shit because he doesn't play any clips and he just says that I say something or Patrick Melton says something and then he just like goes off on that. So that being the basis of his argument, then he can go on and on and on. And it's just like, give it the first thing you said is not true. So none of this makes any sense. Anyway, please, please, please guys, stream labs, PayPal, super chats, rumble rants, bedmo. Maybe, you know what?

Maybe we don't deserve it. Let's start off with the latest conspiracy theory that Aaron is talking about on his show. There's this conspiracy theory out there that SP secretly runs things and by conspiracy theory I mean just people who are so obsessed with steel-toed that they- First off, SP is who he calls slam piece that's his current girlfriend okay so just wait he's on he's he's he's been accused of revenge porn and he publicly calls his current girlfriend slam piece on the air correct just to remind everybody that whatever he's being accused of he's definitely guilty of and should be sentenced to the maximum. Good job Aaron. He's a real smart guy and a

romantic. There's this conspiracy theory out there that SP secretly runs things and by conspiracy theory I mean just people who are so obsessed with steel tow that they can't admit that it's their only reason for living. So they go, SP is secretly controlling everything. All right, let's start with that. People who are so obsessed, and they can't admit it's their only reason for living. See, the problem with all of Aaron's arguments and anyone rational watching this,

and let's say you only watch Aaron's show, and you don't know, you hear him talk about me sometimes, but Patrick Melton a lot, Mersh or Chad Zumach. And you go, wait a second, are there people who the only reason why they exist is to hate on Aaron or does Aaron have an inflated sense of self? Like who would think that anyone wakes up every morning going, I got to hate Aaron today. That's the only thing I need to do this week. The only thing I have to do is hate Aaron. It's retarded. She does everything for Aaron. And I just honestly, I let them think it. Okay, here's fallacy number two. So he goes,

so guys, they think this thing where my girlfriend is doing everything for the show, and I want them to think that Then why are you doing this segment right now? Where you're calling it a conspiracy theory and calling everyone who says something like this a loser who is obsessed with you That means you don't want them to think it Obviously like how fun is that? That you have you have like a dozen or so people like maybe two dozen people, who are like, there is a secret. I've never thought,

like even in the radio days when we were way the up there, I never thought I would have a group of fans so obsessed with the show. Like we've had fans who make fan fiction before, but they know they're being kind of crazy. They know they're mentally ill. Okay, Adam, I'm glad that you made that face just now. He goes,

now listen, if we had crazy fans in the past, yeah, but those people knew they were crazy. That's how crazy works. That's how mental illness works. And they were saying nice things. So let's just leave them alone. Right. It was summed up perfectly by Nick Reketa. I'm not ball washing Nick Reketa. I'm just explaining because he's guy hung out with this guy enough. Then he knows Aaron is always living in the present the past does not matter the future does not matter

It's whatever matters in this moment to express and make his argument in this moment So I'm sure you can go back and find him complaining about lunatics and trolls years ago, but those people are now are great and Patrick Melton and Carl are the problem and they're way worse but those people are now are great and Patrick Melton and Carl are the problem and they're way worse than those people used to be. Wow so he's living in a strange vacuum because if he only lives in the present and the president is a lie yeah what kind of life is that? Well he has to convince himself. I know I've been thinking about this a lot because I

unfortunately this week I've been watching Chad more than I have in a very long time good example and between him and Kevin Brennan and Aaron Emholt like all these guys have to make up lies all the time And it's got to be a weird way to live. It's gonna be a weird existence to have Especially like saying them to an audience over and over again. We'll get into that I have examples of that. But let's get back there. We have this whole group of people that doesn't know they're mentally ill. And they just keep giving me milk. Like when I call

them little cows, like they they think that I'm kidding. This is the thing. So now Aaron's explaining that this is actually great. He loves this. Now keep in mind, we do a show called this little piggy and I'm going to play clips of that I'm going to show you what he's talking about here mind, we do a show called this little piggy and I'm going to play clips of that. I'm going to show you what he's talking about here. So we do a show called this little piggy and it has probably twice as many viewers as Aaron does conservatively. And the people who watch this little piggy for the most part, watch it out of enjoyment.

And Aaron has fewer viewers. And if you look at the comments on YouTube, it's a lot of hate viewers who are clowning Aaron the entire time. But Aaron is actually loving this because these are locales that he's getting milk from. I'm not sure how that helps him because he's not playing clips. He's not goofing on it. He's not getting anything out of it. Except for telling his buddy, Johnny crutches here that we're losers and he loves it.

But his whole delivery just has the vibe of a doctor sitting patiently listening to him ramble and they're going, okay, now are these low cows in the room with us now? Can you see them? And show me at the bear where the low cows hurt you. Yeah, I mean he has no, him and John are the same. They really believe if they were to talk to a professional

therapist or psychiatrist that that therapist would be like, man, you have a lot of enemies we need to contact the police and work together on this, so you are no longer victimized. I'm so sorry about all this. And you're my first patient who's always in the right. I know, right? It's amazing. And it's very exciting to meet you, Jesus.

What does he mean by Loke is anyone who hates him well he thinks that So he looks at this one thread on Kiwi Farms, okay, and so he goes oh everyone hates these guys Mmm, and it's a thread that came out of everyone who hates Nick Reketa So there's anyone who doesn't say bad things about Nick Reketa Then they're also an asshole because again and and I talked about this on the bonus episode with MLC, there's a lot of people who watch shows on the internet, not to watch shows, but to take sides. So I'm team this, I'm team that. And then they go and they type things on Reddit and Kiwi Farms and shit. And that's what Aaron watches. That's what he looks at.

A group of people that doesn't know they're mentally ill and they just keep giving me milk like when I call them little cows like they they think that I'm kidding and They keep giving me milk and their latest milk is SP is secretly controlling everything like they've even got Carl's brain like I've brain damaged Carl to the end He thinks he's like SP is putting things in his background. His conspiracy theory is the pictures that Aaron's kids drew for him that are now in the background, SP did that.

So this is what I wanted to play you so that I can then show you what exactly I said. Cause I don't make up things like that. I talk about things based on what I either see or hear coming out of Aaron specifically. So he just said, and he loves it too. He goes, this is great content for me, even though this wasn't content at all. It's just him lying about what was said and who said what. But he says that I'm so

what did he say about my brain? Oh, we hear that again. Oh, that you're broken. You're damaged. He was right about one thing. Well, yeah, that's true. Even got Carl's brain. Like, I've brain damaged Carl to the end. He's brain damaged me to the end. I think that his girlfriend is decorating his studio. Okay, here's the first thing I saw in this little piggy

about Slam Peace on this episode he's referring to. So now. Well, there's been a lot lately. This, you know, he has themes that come and go and one of them really right now that he's hitting is I'm the only one who doesn't take this seriously. All these other guys don't have a life. So they don't know how to like leave this internet world behind and have a, have a fun life. I know I'm light. I'm easy. Guys, it might seem like this affects me because I bring it up every single day and I talk about

how I don't sleep very well and slam piece has given me notes on what's going on outside of what I'm looking at. Yeah, I'm consumed with this, but you are so wrong. I don't give a fuck about any of it. So, so that was the first I said about slampies that she's giving Aaron notes about what people are saying because Aaron said that Aaron goes I don't look at subreddit But slampies told me blah blah blah blah and the people are saying blank and this and that Oh, so you figured Aaron was telling the truth about I assumed that he was telling the truth about that Although I bet he does look at those subreddits.

But that's what I said in response to what Aaron has told me. This next clip I think is what's really gonna sum things up here. And of course, Adam and I are both in this clip, so I'm not gonna pause, I'm just gonna let it play, otherwise it'll get very confusing. But I think this is a perfect example

of Aaron says one thing, and reality couldn't be further from that. And it proves that Aaron is either a liar or he's dumb. It can't be. It's gotta be one or the other. You guys are used to this. But if you haven't seen this backdrop in a while, like this is the stereotypical basement of a crazy person. Like this is a conspiracy theorist

like trying to track the criminal down. This looks like insanity. And this is his best foot forward. I didn't know the update. What happened this week? Because I didn't see Monday morning, but clearly Slam Peace is going in there and dropping off trinkets every weekend.

She's she put the hair on there. We got the book. There's drawings from the kids now, which I don't understand. Kids back into it again. Somebody sent me this, this week I got Paul verbs and, and the world war two book he has right behind him. Nice. So who are you Chad with your show at towel? Quite a collection of Aaron and the whole selection. Like if he had a book club, like I think I would be able to attend. So one thing she hasn't been able to change though is April's riding of steel toe at the top of the board That's still there still from April that still can't let her go Wow Don't you touch that you don't touch that but you're right Adam there this the randomness here is

What's going on in his mind like it's jumbled? He doesn't know where he's going and how he's getting there I used to you know, I've always done the show from this basement. I used to have like a star wars skateboard decks up behind me and I, this whole room was just like star wars shit. Cause you're a winner. Cause I'm cool. I realized like, Oh, now I'm doing a video show. I should probably decorate it with W ATP stuff. So now we have all this fan art that people made for W ATP, but there's a theme here. You know what I mean? It's not just like, well, I'm going to have a world war II book and Jesse Ventura and the mighty ducks Jersey and a white literally stuff he dug out of the closet when he was trying to catch up on orders. Like where's all this shit April was supposed to send out? And he went through the closet

and that's where he found his old barbed wire boot and all these figurines and the Sandy. It's like insane. I disagree. I think he's done exactly what you've done, Kyle. Like if you want to put a collage of what steel toe the show is, this is it. You're right, yes. It does some weird World War II references off to the side,

wrestling shit everywhere, and hazardly placed and planned sports. Yeah. Chicken scratch writing propaganda. The board represents the goal. So that's the goal. That's money. Yeah. The whole, the hole in the wall, like below him is like signs of broken things that he'll never fix. Like bug zapping racket is symbolizes the banning of people. He doesn't like and the barbed wire around his, his steel toe morning show sign shows that he'll never escape. Wow. I look at it the other way. The boot is inside the barbed wire. He wants to go

back inside the bubble of radio and be protected. That's how I see it. This is guys what you're describing right now. I was just recently watching the Jerry Springer doc that just came out and the guy, the producer of it said, I want someone who's swimming through the channels on mute to stop at our show and be entertained. And this is similar to that. Like you can see this and know what this guy's show is just with this. It sums everything up for you. And you can know what's going on in his mind, just like you said, because at least behind you, Carl, there's some kind of order and method. You know, they're in a straight line.

This is just blah. But it is specific. No, the empty case goes on top and then there's three that are filled. And then yes, she can put that there. Then the book faces out and then no, keep, keep her writing up there, but then have the woman be really, really small, really, really small. Cause that's how women are having and then take the camera and make it just crooked. He looked, he told me he was like running the cash box at a garage sale right now. I feel like, yeah, like he could be at a comic con convention selling selling action figures like this. Yeah. Yeah. Anything. I, there's a reason why I play that very long clip is because there's a lot discussed there that I think was actually, so it

was pretty profound. We were kind of like picking up on each other's theories and thoughts and realizing that like, Holy shit. There was a lot to be said about what Aaron has done with his set. That used to be just a clean logo. Yes. And you saw that and you're like, Oh, this is like a pro show with him and his wife doing a show. And that was a jumbled mess. Yeah. It's you guys were riffing at first and then it became, like you said,inkly we're literally figuring out and Aaron comes out he goes. Yeah, Carl's brain is broken. He said slam piece put this shit up here It's like I did Did I?

Cuz I'd love to hear Aaron actually analyze what I just played and kind of think through that and maybe We are like think about that. Like yeah, why do I have an empty box of Jesse Ventura? Behind me and why is there a mighty ducks? It's kind of just laying there for no reason. He'd say well Carl. I'm constantly broadcasting. I don't have time He's he's very much like Stuttering John when he makes fun of people's grammar here What he's doing is the equivalent of like, being the filmmaker that Mystery Science 3000 are making fun of, and then saying,

you know, that's not true at all what you said about my film. No, we're just making jokes, observing your world, and stumbling upon truth accidentally. And you're ignoring all of that, and just concentrating on the minutia, thinking it's some kind of gotcha thinking you're speaking only indirectly to people that watch your show and only your show.

Yeah, you're right. It's very much like the, Oh, let's see what's wrong with this. He spelled your Y-O-U-R. But the thing is you're not seeing your children anymore. Yeah, it's like, yeah, that's, that's not the point of this. Yeah, that's that's not the point of this. Let me just remind everyone what Aaron said that we've seen that clip like they've even got Carl's brain like I've brain damaged Carl to the end. He thinks he's like SP

is putting things in his background. His conspiracy theory is the pictures that Aaron's kids drew for him that are now in the background. SP did that. So remember to Johnny Crutch's and Aaron's audience and anyone watching this, when you say things like that that are obviously incorrect, you lose all credibility and there's no reason ever to listen to someone like that ever again. And to take their word for anything. So from here on out, Aaron, play the clip. If you want to comment on me or Patrick Melton or any of these people

Who are obsessing with you and wake up every day just hating you and it's our reason to exist in the world Play the clip when we're seething or whatever it is that we're doing Adams been on this little piggy couple times. Mm-hmm. You not a seather. No, he doesn't come across. Adam's not a seather. Not for this, no. Right. And definitely not for Aaron, no. When you put up a backdrop,

I mean, even I put some thought into the books, like I wasn't unaware of it, he picked all of those items. And now the fact that we're commenting on them means our brains are broken. Which one is it? Are you a show host or not? Did you put up a backdrop for people to see and comment on? Or is this just a private little live stream

for you and your friends? What's happening? You can't just take the good. And I'm sorry there's no good anymore, Aaron. I'm really sorry. You just reminded me, I had the most brilliant business idea during the pandemic, during the lockdowns,

because every talking head that showed up on mainstream media were all in their library. They all had the bookcase behind them. They all had their books, and certain books were pointing out, and they wanted to show you what they're reading and how intellectual they are. And I was like, what if we had a company that just produced book covers and they're way cheaper than the actual hardcover? You have to buy it actually has all the words

in it and everything like that. But it could look like you read all this crazy shit over here and show everyone how smart you are what your philosophies are in life. But inside it's penthouse letters. That costs extra actually. I'm just gonna have it be blank. But if you want that we can do that too. I think Warby Parker that glasses store has that that's their interior lined up like that. They're way out of it. Names that sound like real names but aren't. Calling all sellers. Salesforce is hiring account executives to join us on the cutting edge of technology.

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Yeah. And so he's constantly lashing out and most recently lashing out at Jim Norton. And I think there's I hate to say this because it seems like a cop out seems like what everyone says. I think there's jealousy going on. Now that Jim is off serious and he's doing his own thing on YouTube now him and

Oprah on the same level hey we both have YouTube channels what are you doing I'm walking around New York and talking about expensive cookies are what are you doing I have comedians on my show and people call in and we riff and get a hundred thousand views per episode. Oh, well, I rescued a watchma call it a call from a title of a memorial. That is pretty impressive. Oh, we've got a lot of people talking about that. We're tied. So I think because of this, Opie feels the need to lash out. And also because people are talking about Jim with him leaving serious and starting up this new show

So he knows the algorithms. He wants to make sure that People are seeing that name on his channel so this is his latest video that he's putting out there and You know again Thank you. Oh, P. I spend most of my day on Wednesdays and Saturdays watching videos and pulling clips and I go through and I figure out where to start it and where to end it and I name it and I put it in an order

I'm gonna wait to wait my secrets. Hold on Order you say and what opi does is he goes? Oh, no This is actually all the shit you want to make fun of me for right here? Okay. Thanks. I'll just I'll just watch your video then. Oh Appreciate it declassify the ONA Ralphie Mayfile. Yeah, exactly This is called Opie without Opie and Anthony is dot dot dot little click baity. Well, what is it? I guess I gotta watch to find out. Yeah, Jim has a watch You don't need to watch anything here. This visual sums up his whole life and this whole show. I have a million dollar apartment condo.

I have a million dollar view that is obstructed by the $15 ring light. I can see reflecting in the window because you have built a life that can afford you this place and you're putting built a life that can afford you this place and you're putting on a show that you don't give a shit about because you think that keeps you free from criticism. It does not. It opens you up to more because you look like a fucking idiot with a $5 ring light reflecting off this view of the Hudson River that only kings and royalty get.

It's a fuck you to us. Take that stupid hat off. The ring light is so distracting and annoying. And I've been thinking this for a while and I'm not an expert when it comes to lighting. Ask Vinnie Paulino, he yells at me and tells me how we gotta change things up down here all the time.

Vinnie's always adjusting lights in his studio and getting everything just right. But there's such a better solution than a straight on ring light when you're sitting in front of a window. It's, it's easily the worst option possible. A flashlight pointing up at his face would be better. Trying to say that I picked my nose or something. What about, what about the, uh, the Ralphie May Day?

What about that Jim you want to really start talking about stuff? At least he's matured. Oh Yeah, you say I picked my nose. Well, you did a thing too. Okay, cool Thank you, Dominic. I appreciate your hate this morning Yeah, that's me the guy that literally had a concept for a radio show that became one of the biggest radio shows If not the biggest radio show ever who's okay? So he started this off with I'm the guy who had a concept for a radio show that became the biggest radio show Now I know a couple things about open Anthony, so I'm gonna dispute some of his facts here that as he points them out

Said you know what I got this concept for a radio show but I'm looking for someone I could do the show with that's actually naturally funny that's not in the business because the guys in the business are too fucking polished let me think oh there's this guy that installs air conditioners on long out and he's really funny I'm gonna bring him on board for this okay so opi is saying now he had this vision he's just like okay I need to team up with someone but pros in the business too polished it's got to be raw and it's got to be funny should I look into cab drivers or should I look at HVAC I'm gonna go with HVAC professionals

I'm gonna find like an HVAC guy out on Long Island, maybe down in his luck, dead end job. And I'll find a guy who's like witty and interesting. No, Anthony was in a band with his brother and they wrote a parody song called go to electric shock. OJ about OJ Simpson getting the electric chair when this was the biggest news of the country. It was the OJ trial and it was hilarious. He sent it into the show. Opie played it. People loved it.

So they brought Anthony and his brother in studio. People didn't like his brother so much, but they loved Anthony. And then Opie kept having Anthony back because he got a great response from it. This wasn't like a big vision that he had. It was just like, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to recruit a guy who's not in radio. It was really funny. Cause I, my idea is what if we did a morning show or it's just like a bunch of guys sitting around and there's some comedians there and

then podcasting starts and a lot of them like take the same concept that Joe Rogan will be the biggest one ever and he'll credit us and my idea for none of this happened. There was no risk involved. He was going by results. Right. Yeah. And even your pretend idea is shitty. Your idea was I'll find someone else that will be awesome and propel us to start him great fucking idea Nobody's ever been in casting and started that before well done Yeah, it's literally like Bill and Ted's where they want to have the greatest band in the world Like we just gotta get Eddie Van Halen, and then we'll be the greatest Right now checks out yeah

Bring him on board for this this idea idea I got for a fucking radio show. And then, ha, another year or two goes by, a few years go by. Like, you know what? I think we need a comedian that is really good at just sniping, a quick comedian that could really accent me and Anthony's chemistry because there was a time me and Anthony had really really good chemistry and that kind of went away and then I, I, Opie who does take responsibility for stuff unlike others I uh whoa whoa now he's taking responsibility again it's been a while it's been a long time since I've heard Opie responsibility for anything, but of course you're taking credit for hiring Jim Norton right now

But it's also a real Massive at ory fantasy because he's like my brilliant idea was we need people that are unpolished that aren't even in showbiz Uh-huh, and then that worked and then I had a brilliant idea. Let's get somebody who's polished and in showbiz. It'll be great Sometimes shit just happens. Oh P You don't have to take credit for it and pretend it's some brilliant mastermind just because you have nothing to show for yourself now. The only difference between Opie and Stuttering John is alcoholism.

That's it. They're the same person saying the same stuff in this funny performative voice. He's just not an alcoholic yet. He's just, yeah, he's recreating history in real time or watching him right as he explains and then was my idea what if we had a comedy show and we hired a comedian to be on our comedy show. Never been done before. Great idea. And then I'm like Anthony if you can tackle racial issues we can start bringing in

other kinds of comics and you too could start mixing up. Now if only I can get an African-American to run for president. How do I do that? So I called up Nancy Pelosi. What a fucking delusional asshole. No shit. And it's amazing because I grew up with Howard Stern and Stuttering John, so it all feels very personal to me.

But I feel the same way about Opie, and I have none of these ties. It's just his behavior that is so infuriating to me. I became wallpaper on my own radio show. Everyone knows that but there's plenty of years I was more than stupid wallpaper. Okay, so then I'm like, all right, now what the missing piece on this show, we need a comedian to come in, be more of

a sniper quick hit people with with with one liners generally and has good stories that guy was Jim Norton hired both of them you dopes they didn't hire themselves you dopes I mean he's trying to take credit for their talent yeah just which by the way a great leader of whether you're the leader of a country, the leader of an organization, the leader of a business. Like you want to say like, this isn't me doing this. This is all of you. This is great. Like, we're a we this is why we're successful. And Opie wants to take full

credit, even though everyone knows he's not the reason why people liked that show so it's like the opposite of that it's like guys this is all me I'm going to decide to bring on funny people that you would enjoy listening to on the radio and this is all in response to a chat wow and I love this Paul Harvey the rest of the. And that man was Jim Norton. Oh, that was the guy. Then why don't you just do it again, Opie? Yes.

Cast some friends. Cast your local Gephart's bar back and a comedian you know. Rod the Wider. Yeah, you got Rod the Wider. You got Matt. He's got the bad touch. What could go wrong? Yeah.

Bring him in. Show us your genes. I just hate the dishonesty of people, but what are you going to do? Who got the bad part. Yeah, bring him in. Show us your people. But what are you going to do? Uh who has the bigger dog Michelle Obama or okay IIIIII. So this is opi. He put up this chat. It's a free chat and it's calling out Jim Norton's married to a trans

woman and so is the bigger dog and has uh Nikki's name on there and now opi is going to has Nicky's name on there. And now Opie's gonna do the, whoa, I can't control this. You put it up and you're leaving it up. And you read half of it already. Because this is what Opie does. He allows the chatters to say the things

that he pretends he doesn't wanna say. But he definitely does. And he can't wait to take his shots. Like this is him taking a serious shot. Taking a shot at a guy's wife. If someone did's at to Opie it'd be a real problem Jim Norton came out and talked about Opie's wife it wouldn't happen it doesn't happen I I I I I I I I stop with that do you like you? I don't like Jim Norton like literally at all. Yeah. But if he finally found happiness, that's all I give a crap. I don't care. I don't care. All right.

So as long as you're not hurting yourself or others. Jesus Christ. He's leaving up there a long time to show you how great he is. And now caring about the LGBTQ community over here. What he means is as long as you're not hurting me, I don't give a fuck. But he's taking his shots right here. All of this, I don't care. And all of this and all him taking shots. And you're happy. That's all that matters. And that's been my mantra since I was very, very little.

And I'm not going to start saying differently. Sorry. All right. Were you drunk tweeting yesterday? I know, dude, I don't, you know, you could, you could, you could start all these dumb, stupid, crappy things about me all you want, but pretty much most of it is completely false. I actually am not a big drinker, even though I do a live podcast from a beer hall once a week. I know he's turning into Suttering John, even with his presentation style. But also, he's not calling you a drunk, OP. He's saying your tweets are ridiculous. He's not addressing the right thing. No, I didn't drink that much. Then why are you tweeting what you're tweeting? That's the question here.

But I sip beers like a freaking girl. Like a girl. Me, me, me, me, me. I know a guy like that. No, I wasn't. I was just getting some of it out. Cause I had it, you know, there was a time like, you know, I was trying to in general, take the high road in general. Like I said, I'm not perfect. Cuz I cuz I had it. You know, there was a time like I you know, I was trying to uh in general take

the high road in general. Like I said, I'm not perfect. I'm not gonna sit here and say I'm perfect. Yeah, I've said some **** But you're doing it right now. OP. Look at how not perfect I am. I'm I'm calling out Jim for marrying Nikki right now on my show. Yep, you're proving out not perfect. You are good job. It was just the, it was just a constant pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, both those guys over the years. Pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick. You know, I, I even, I even didn't take a swing when I found out that Anthony trashed me in two books more pick pick pick pick pick pick pick pick

pick. So there's two different things happening here. You have Anthony who comes on this show. I've got his show talking about Opie. He has written two books with chapters about Opie in them. And he's not picking. He's putting it right out there. He'll watch clips, he'll cloud you, he'll go off, and it's very entertaining. And then you have Jim who doesn't do any of that. Jim takes the high road, and Opie's lumping them together.

These guys are both like trying to fuck with me. Meanwhile, and we demonstrated this on the last episode, look at Opie's channel. Everything is Opie and Anthony, Jim Norton, Anthony, Sam Roberts, or the nonstop going after all those guys. And then Jim Norton tweeting shit about me, but not at mentioning me just being a passive aggressive twat.

We proved on the last episode, that was not to or about OPI. And OPI took it as if it was about him. And that's an OPI problem. Yeah, it says a lot. Not a gym problem. But this is the thing guys like Opie and Aaron Imhol and Stuttering John, they'll take something and they'll make up something that happened. He posted my audio book. They had a photo of my mom with KY jelly in the background. And then they can use that forever and do whatever they want. Because I mean, I'm just

responding to this thing that this person did He's made up that Jim put out a tweet Jim doesn't do anything Because Opie just wants to trash Jim and he's looking for a reason for it That finally had it and one of the reasons I'm like, you know, I'm trying to like in general I say in general Because you guys will just just spin and twist everything I say in general because you guys will just just spin and twist everything I say in general I was trying for the most part to take the high road because of everything we accomplished as a radio show if you want to know The truth, but it finally got to the point. I'm like enough enough How many how long has he been saying this for two years three years? We've been trying to take the high road over here

We've been documenting this on this show for a while now He's not. Who's he talking to? You guys are going to twist and spin this. Are you talking to your fans? Well, he's probably talking to his check, because they're all... If you saw the things that he was pulling up while he was doing that... Yeah, no, I was.

I know what he's saying. But why do the show? Yeah, great question. I think I know the answer to that. I think it's because he has to tell his wife and kids he's doing something. Yeah. I know the answer to that. I think it's it's because he has to tell his wife and kids He's doing something. Yeah I've always wanted and we all know he's not gonna put effort into anything because that means he'll get criticized So as long as he keeps doing this nothing, he's busy. He's occupied. He can say he's doing something

He can appease the family but also he never gets criticized because he never really tried. And that's what this is. He thinks it's cool and laid back and relaxed. It's just lazy and insecure and dripping with fear and self-consciousness. Do a show, hire some people, see what happens. This, I mean, I don't know what's the brother man's name, the Rochester guy that he loves. Brother Weez. Brother Weez, right. It was Brother Weez listing his grievances at the end of every show. No.

Brother Weez assuming his audience was haters that he needed to attack. No, he's still on the radio. He still has a job, Brother Weez. Probably because he's not ripping into his former co-hosts every day. Why he still has a job. Yes. Come on, man. It's fucking crazy because I, Melton said it I didn't have the words for it and and he said it so perfectly

I'll click into his tick tock sometime Opie's and I'll just like write the stupidest thing in the comments Like he's at get parts and all right, like oh 81st Street and then he sees it and he's like, oh This guy 84th Street 81st. he starts going on about this comment. Are you from New York? Where do you live? Were you here? How did you know? And Melton's like, it's not supposed to be like this.

This is like a metaverse. He's not supposed to be responding to me. That's why I wrote it. This is not how it's supposed to go, Opie. You're supposed to ignore me. You're not supposed to be so in need of anything to talk about that someone names a street in New York and you're like Well, let's go down this road for the next 20 minutes because I got nothing going on. You're not pleasing the fans

There are no fans. It's just me and Carl and Chris and everyone here fucking with you And I agree that Opie is doing this so they can't be criticized, but that's not working He is getting criticized by everyone. I was even watching Kevin Brennan's now watching Opie on his show and he's watching Opie walk around the streets of Manhattan. He's just like, how bored is this guy? I mean, coming from Kevin Brennan, that's rich, but he's like, how bored is this guy? He's just walking around. He has nothing else to do. And I think that lends itself right to your point, Adam, or it's like, all right, I got to go out now. And it's like, he can go walk around for two hours and do his live stream. And then the wife's like, okay, good. At least

he's got a hobby. Pick up some envelopes. Oh, that'll be like bits. I'll do the envelope bit. But this shit he's saying about these, these radio people that are talking to him and the deals that are in the works. That's a typical person like him. Someone will come save me from this. Yeah. And I'll convince everyone around me that stuff's happening and they'll hear me talking about it They see me getting up in the morning and doing something they didn't care for ONA They don't care for this so I can just you know do my thing But no one no one is gonna come and save you. This is it you have to do the show So you want to do he stopped swearing on his show?

to show the next radio executive that I'm hireable. I got my schedule and I can do this. It's not going to happen. It's not happening. No, it's not. They'd rather have anyone else but you. They'd rather have a stranger who's half your age. We have AIOPI.

You can have them. Show if you want wanna know the truth. But it finally got to the point, I'm like enough, enough. The stupid garbage they say about me and the stuff I got on both of them, there's stuff I got on both of them that has never been said. So enough, enough.

That's my least favorite thing, the threat. That he has to throw out there and again jim's not doing anything jim's not provoking any of this opi is doing this because he wants to because he has to like opi needs people talking about opi and anthony way more than anthony does way more than jim does jim's moved on for years he's done multiple other projects since then. He's not talking about Opie and Anthony at all. Opie needs people to be talking about Opie and Anthony, and he's the one posting all this content about Opie and Anthony. Meanwhile also saying, we have to stop this man. I'm done talking about it. For years. He's insane. They're trapped and bitter and it's the same thing as John. They're like

Romanticizing this time that was the happiest in their lives and not coming to terms with the fact that it's over and all those people hate You know, and you need to move on it can't be they can't all be Asshole demons that ruined your life, but also gave you helped you create the greatest radio of all time It can't it can't be both. Right. He's a head case. I know he wants to take credit for hiring Jim Norton. And then also say Jim Norton is the worst person ever. Okay, then you fucked up that did. Yeah, not a good thing. You did. Yeah, can't have it both ways. Open deserves credit for the odd bits they did. Listen back. They're terrible. Anthony and Jim deserve credit for lightning fast wit and countless belly laughs that the best comedians in the world struggled to keep up with. Oh, and you heard that all the time. Bill Burr. I mean, you can go through the list of the best comedians that are internationally known now. And they were going on opening Anthony regularly. And they would all say, oh, my with Jim hanging with Anthony. They're so fast they come out with these things quicker than I ever could and

That was all Opie So from so Opie for figuring that out There's also a role and a place for the straight man like yeah That's a talent and you don't need to be insecure about it You don't need to feel overshadowed by these brilliant funny people because they need someone to ask them the leading questions They need the talk show host to make it natural and I'm assuming he did that and that is a skill and a necessary talent Just do it again. You were not the funny guy. It's Okay, you cannot be the funny guy. Dick Cavett was not the funny guy. It's okay. You cannot be the funny guy. Dick Cavett was not the funny guy,

but somehow funny people flocked to him because he made them funny. Someone has to say, who's on first? So the other guy can answer. Just own it. It's okay. Don't be so overshadowed by talent. Understand you were lucky to be there. And now you're a tastemaker. Do it again. Find the next Anthony. Find the other comics. Make it happen. No one cares what you think of this light beer. It all started with jealousy. That's why he was upset with those guys in the first place.

And now it just continues, this jealousy, turning into rage. And he's just not a happy guy. They're happy with himself. And you're right. He could have, if he would have appreciated what he had, not happy with himself. And you're right, he could have, if he would have appreciated what he had, they could have kept doing that show forever.

Hope he could have just been steering the ship and running the show. Yeah, all he seems to experience is the negative in any situation. Whatever it is, that one thing, that's it, and that's the entire experience, was that one hair in his soup, which does ruin the bowl. We put out a bonus show yesterday

for our Patreon and YouTube members about Kumia's cucks. And we have to check in on what Chad is up to. It's time. To mock. Zoom-ock. Chad was not happy with us putting out a bonus show. He tweeted about it. Professional Rizal slash backstabbing Carl at Who Are These Pod is coming back at me

because he's losing Patreon members and his super chats are drying up. Teaming up with Peto Melt isn't working. He had a whole thing on me today, Patreon only, and I would love to see it. Please DM the show. What? What is coming back at me? I won't write he's been he created a show called could be scops We talked about the 221st episode we've never talked about before And I am one of the main things he talks about there and then we review his show and he goes Oh, I guess Carl's failing And he says it right there coming back at me implies you started it correct you get it first and he is retaliating

What the fuck? Doesn't make any sense, but also Chad has that mindset like a loser because he is a loser where he goes Carl isn't doing as well And what does that do for you Chad? He has fewer people on patreon supporting him. Well, then you must be rolling in dough Chad Yeah, is that how that works? Are you winning at life now? Buy us something. You must be killing it I like some of the replies to this tweet go steal a card and buy it for yourself bitch tits Yes, that's five bucks. You need someone to DM it to you? It's five dollars to get on our Patreon and get the episode. Proctor 13 says, he was and will continue to be way more successful

than anything you've done. So cope harder, bro. So thank you very much for that, guys. Appreciate the support. I want to talk about this. Chad Boozmak put out a video of MLC and he does a great job. He's quickly becoming one of my favorite Clippers. Love you too Doom. But Chad Busmach does a thing where he puts a lot of context to things and he puts some overlays to explain what's funny about the things that are happening. And so they're organizing this event and this is the whole Rob Saul thing where they're gonna have this Kill Kevin event, a live podcast at

Atlantic City the night before the Super Bowl everyone's going there to meet up they're gonna do a live show at this bar that holds 60 people and There's already problems there's a lot of problems going on because it holds 60 people and they sold days for 20 bucks apiece so $1,200 is the ceiling for what they can make on ticket sales. And that's not a lot of money considering the expenses that are involved. So Chad, how are we going to make money now if I'm paying $600 for a room at the- Is that how much though they went up?

There's a $200 fee. So no matter what I pay, it's going to be a lot. Holy shit. That's Bushetti's room and there's no double double beds were $1,200 Wow I don't know that's without the fee. So there'd be 1500. So again, it's Bush Eddie even gonna go I mean, he likes to cancel. No, even he's going he's pumped. He won't stop talking about it But no, I mean is he bringing his brother and say my brother gonna share a king bed I don't think his brother's coming. I think he's just coming

Okay, how much are we how much are we paying Bush Eddie? Well, I mean I'll tell you off I don't say it on the thing but I'll do whatever you want to do. It's all you man. I'll split it I'll do anything. I'll fuck. I'll take a lot. Whatever you want to do. I'll let you look at my YouTube Whatever, you know, whatever you want. I Want to get expensive. I know it's more for the tickets. I know So Chad is such a pussy and a pushover when it comes to Kevin Brennan. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, did I do it wrong? You could take all the money.

I apologize, I messed up, my bad. They're in panic mode right now. Wait, we got to pay, we asked Mike Bichetti to do it? We got to pay him? Kevin Brennan's like, I'm looking at hotel rooms, it's going to cost me hundreds of dollars for this. Do we have enough money? Now, I want to remind people that Chad wanted to make this show $10, and Kevin Brennan said

let's make it 20. And the reason why Chad wanted to make it $10 is because A, he has no confidence that they're gonna put on a good show. He doesn't want people bitching about it. But also, it's because he was trying to say that Hec-O-Mania is overpriced and it's a grift. Oh, fucking, they're charging so much money for Hec-O hackamania. Yeah, Chad, I know you don't organize things ever because you're a loser, but there's a lot of overhead.

You're learning about that just in Atlantic City. Melton's flying everyone out to Vegas for four days. Very different. There's a lot of overhead here. A lot of expenses that are incurred. And Chad's like, 20 bucks, that seems like a lot. And now they got $1,200 to split up between Kevin and Mike Bush, Eddie, who what a talent smart getting him on the fucking show. Kevin Brennan. Did I say that already? Chad probably I

mean, Chad's got to fly up from Tampa. He's got to find a place to sleep. He's trying to get one of the listeners to get him a hotel room. The 1200 bucks is spent. Oh, yeah. then some, and then they find out there's even more overhead. I still get to pay the $200 fee. So, so even if they, so even if I got the room cheap, I didn't book the room in advance because I don't want to jinx the Eagles. Also it's like the whole, I don't know really even know what's going on. How much we're paying John, the producer. It's like, I mean, he's getting a big proportion of the, of the gross at the door. Okay. So neither of these retards know how to run a live show.

They don't have a clue. And they want to be able to stream it and get super chats. So that's where this guy Blade, AKA John, but I prefer Blade, that's his new cool name, from Wind By Two. He's like, guys, I can do this. I'll set it up. He's gonna bring all the equipment.

He's gonna get it all set up so they can do a live stream, kill Kevin they're gonna have comics come up and perform and kevin's gonna rag on them and they're gonna get super chats But then there's this guy who's bringing all his equipment and producing it and making it all happen So wait, we gotta pay kevin chad mike bachetti blade And put everyone up in hotel rooms and travel is involved. We might want to drink a drink or two. Oh no.

I hope there's- What could go wrong live streaming from a venue you've never been in before? Right. Well, they actually did Chad's show last year. They did it with Gino Biscotti. Oh. They did a stand-up show that was not streamed or broadcast, and Chad didn't bring anything and they didn't have a proper PA system

and no one could hear the comics. And Stunnery John saved the day. They did a stand-up show that was not streamed or broadcast and Chad didn't bring anything and they didn't have a proper PA system And no one could hear the comics and Stunnery John saved the day So you don't have to stand up telling her to shut up So people hear your key items set So then he could list all the bombs that existed since the beginning of time to describe him and his buddy were Making jokes about Chad's terrible jokes isn't Kevin gonna be distracted the whole time taking pictures of super chats with his phone How's he gonna watch the comedy? Yeah, we're gonna find out how this is all gonna work I try I think if uh between ticket sales and super chats will be alright. We'll pick we'll get all the money

Chad is counting on because now we have $1,200 He's like well We better get a shit ton of super chats to make all this work and like what are you basing that on? What are you basing that so this is good news. It means they're gonna have to broadcast it So I'm not normally a guy who snipes things I see where you're going with this, but I remember devil con 2 or Kevin Brennan was all excited about sniping our show Yeah, they are pot committed at this point. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that.

I think that's going to be a show to snipe for sure. So during this episode, I want to get to him talking about me. Obviously we'll get to that, but there's a couple of things that stood out to me. Chad's complaining about Cardiff on here. This is his big complaint about Cardiff Electric. He's the one who's afraid of everything and everyone. You can't talk shit when you're anonymous. You're a pussy.

And that's what he is. I'm not a fan. I don't think he's funny. I think he's a corn ball and that's what it is. Chad is calling Cardiff Electric a corn ball. Now, what did we learn when we watched Kumis Cucks yesterday at our bonus show? Well, we learned a lot.

There is no one cornier than Chad Zumach the way he runs his show with his his very first my little podcast studio set up by Fisher price. I believe yes It's got eight different sounds. It's got eight different This asshole just called current electric or cornball all aboard the hype train. It's happening. It's going down. Hype! Hype! Hype! Yeah! Hype! Hype! Hype! Hype train!

We're doing it! Thank you so much shara this dude is fucking corny i don't think he's allowed to tell anyone else they're a cornball anymore this guy's the corniest guy in the tantal verse he's doing the fucking hype train and dancing around and i only just played a portion of it this goes out of that it does he's gonna claim that he's making fun of this isn't he? I'm not doing it for real

I'm just making fun of it But also accepting the real money, please give and you can get away with that for a couple weeks, maybe yeah, maybe a month He's been doing this for a year. It was two years of it He was making fun of Aaron and now he's just doing it as a bit now It's content You remember when John learned from someone when he would always make fun of Kevin for saying we're doing it and somebody said you know Kevin's mocking someone. Yeah. Oh, oh, I didn't know that. I won't do that again. Chad is doing this is not mocking. He's just doing. He's wearing a we're doing it t-shirt.

Mm-hmm. He takes everything on that he sees other people do and then makes that his persona because he's not a person He used to wear Argyle sweaters. That used to be his thing. He's always looking for like what's my identity? He doesn't know Is he a dirty comic or does he talk about his experience at Kmart? He doesn't know what he is Who am I? He's whatever we want him to be. He will happily become. One thing I do know is that Chad is short It's really starting to bother people are pointing out how short he is I mean, uh, why the tape it goes with Joey C. You're five six and breaks it. I'm five nine There's actually one take it available again again

It's like it's literally I'm five nine. It's not even argue. I mean, whatever you guys want to do to prove it I'm fine with that. Oh Whatever you guys want to do to prove it, I'm fine with that. Oh, whatever you guys want to do to prove it. So this is him with Joey C. You and I both met Joey C. Yeah. Talked out with him a couple of times. He is state, and this is what I like about Chad Busbach. He shows the photo.

Chad's on his tippy toes. You can see right there, standing next to Joey C. He's always getting up on his tippy toes. He always has an excuse too. like over four and he's I was Like wasn't my socks and Jim's a tall guy Swear to God that was his excuse for that also as curtains fell down. So now this son is glaring on his face It's fine, but to act like you're the mud shark and you go after everyone You're the coolest fucking guy the Tatlvers and then you suck

This bad at everything Doesn't help your case These guys just aren't good on their own. They shouldn't be on their own him John even Aaron they need somebody else He needs to kind of be the butt of the joke and the times when he is good I've actually seen them when he had John on and he just sat back and watched the arguments happening. He put his hand like that. That was very funny when he was in on the joke with Rico and they were doing the Venmo

stuff. Yeah, he got it. Yes. And he was eager and he was anxious, but it all it all worked, you know, and I watch him and I hate it. But then he starts talking about John and I'm like, well, he makes a lot of sense. He's some reason when he does that, I do like it. So there are flashes I see of where he could be good. It's just not him in the lead and not him being this dice clay kind of mean character. That's not quite him.

And even Kevin has been lost since Adam left his show. He needs a producer so badly. Kevin running the show on his own is dreadful. He's terrible at it. All right. So this is, let's get into me now. Let's talk about how, uh, I make shit up. He literally just makes up shit and then nobody ever challenges him because that's the show. That's the show. If you did Carl's show, you just, Carl talks and then you have to agree with him. Yeah. Because if you listen to a WATP, they're always like, yes, correct.

You're right. You're right. Correct. Like I said, if they're not talking, you have to agree with them. Yeah, because if you listen to WTP, they're always like, yes, correct. You're right. You're right. Correct. Like I said, if they're not talking, you got to nod your head. See, this is the thing. So now they're saying that I make things up. Now, what I do on this show, we've been doing it for a long time now, is I play a clip to provide contacts. And then we talk about it. I don't do what Kevin just did. Or we just saw Aaron doing earlier in the show. Or what Chad does all the time

is put words in my mouth And then respond to that yeah, you know that fucking dork Kara. You know what he did? And then they just make shit up and now they're pretending. That's what I do and I get everyone to like nod their head No, the reason why people nod their head is because we show the clip and we explain The take on it and we don't talk over each other. So it's a way of saying I get it Correct It's a way to acknowledge that I understand the point you're making. When you're done talking, I might make a point also. Someone comments that Chad's a less funny OP and this sets him off as well. Chad

is a less funny OP. Oh my god. $2. Is that good? I don't know. You got me dude. Skipper veteran sign up to my locals. Come on, guys. Let's do it. We're doing it. We're doing it. I'll have these shirts. I'm going to sell merch with Bishetti.

Carl sold merch at his event. Huh? I said, I'm bringing, we're doing it shirts to sell. Like Carl sold, he sells shirts at Hackamania and stuff and they were selling at a dabble con. I know. Adam, where did that come from? Yeah.

It just pull in anyone around him. You don't need, you're selling a shirt. You don't need to pull past examples of people you know that have also sold a t-shirt. This is not a novel idea. What Chad doesn't realize is that he's actually showing his insecurity. He wants to be us so badly. He's like, oh, Carl is a big patron. He makes a lot of money.

This is all he does for a living is doing the show. And then he goes on the road and plays these big shows that are well produced and then there's a merch table and people are coming up and buying merch and just like I want to be able to do that all that stuff and he's saying it out loud to Kevin to Kevin the father everyone else. He's saying out loud like guys look I have a shirt and you can buy them because that's what Carl does, right? Carl did it. Yeah, that's what everyone who has an audience in a show does. They have merchandise at a merch table and they put on shows and people go there and they enjoy it. These are called real shows. The opposite of what you guys are trying to do in Atlantic City. Hackemeyne is a real show that will be well attended and well produced.

And it's going to be not a train wreck. We don't have to rely on super chats in order to make sure that we can cover people's expenses. There's not a lot of mystery involved in the Hackamania event where there seems to be a lot of foreboding mystery here, a lot of unknown in this AC event. Also, Chad, if you don't want to be compared to Opie or John, stop pointing to your shirt with words on it and lifting it up like that. And there was a time when Chad tried his merch

in the form of hot sauce. And when he found out that you were doing the same thing with the same company, he pulled out like a pussy boy. He told the guy off. Yeah. He was all upset that I had my own hot sauce and now it's Carl's doing it yeah, I know like which which one is it and I actually have an example of that coming up where Chad's another one of these guys just like Aaron Imhold who lives in the now

so if he doesn't like you and You're selling hot sauce and that's not hot sauce sucks And if he doesn't like you and you sell t-shirts, then you're a loser for selling t-shirts. But all right, I'm going to get to that in just a second. First, this is the criticism of Opie that Chad has. Here's your Opie. Go ahead, Opie. What do you want me to do?

I mean, I can't go on. Why would he come on my show and at least like say what's happening and have fun instead of just instead of like acting like everything's beneath him? He went to a cookie store with 11 people watching now that's my criticism to opi like why don't you go on other people's shows man to build up your following i don't know the pride thing or an ego thing but okay so you just heard what chad said his criticism of opi is why don't you go on other people's shows to build up your following later on in that exact same show this is his criticism of me carl's such a cuck, you could get him to do anything.

Well, Carl, everyone says his Patreon's going down and he's going live all the time, and he went on some gamer stream the other day. Like, he's like, he's looking for something. He had me on, like he's desperate. He's broke. He's a broke man. Well, he's right about that. If you had Chad on, that's pretty desperate. He super-chatted me first, and then I sent him the link. He's like, trying to recreate this, like, Joe, will you please come on my show to save it?

And nothing to do with any of that. But regardless, that's not even the point. The point is he said, Opie is a loser because he doesn't go on other people's shows. And then he goes, Carl, such a loser. He went on this other guy's show. So he's talking about PKA. That episode I was on has 110,000 views and they've created three different clips just from my segments on that show. And they have have 16 14 and 12,000 views respectively those three other clips so I'm doing exactly what you said Opie should be doing but then when I do it you criticize me and it just shows you that he doesn't know what he's saying he doesn't really have thoughts in his head

he's just like I don't like Opie I don't like Opie because he doesn't do shows and I don't like Carol because he does do shows. Do the people watching this never make the connection, or are they only listening for such a small chunk they don't get to hear the hypocrisy later on? Because I would pick up on that stuff when they say the opposite thing when it's somebody else. It happens a lot. That's what I wonder, too. I wonder why they have any credibility.

And I'm going to use this word a lot, I think, in the coming months. Credibility. Aaron Uml, we proved today, has zero credibility. He just lies to his audience and makes shit up. Chad Zumach has zero credibility. Kevin Brennan. And so I don't understand why anyone, I mean, you can be entertained by them and you can watch the show. And I would never tell anyone not to watch the show and not to super chat them and do whatever you enjoy but never once would I hear something that Chad said and then go yeah he's probably right I'm

gonna make some changes based on it just doesn't have a track record to justify that he said something the other day I might have heard it on your show yesterday he said that he used to book at the Backstage Cafe in Beverly Hills. Okay. I used to play there weekly. Okay. And it was only around for a very short time.

So I am almost positive that we've had interactions together. If he was the booker. If he was the booker, because that's a, the club's owned by Miles Copeland who manages manage the police and still manages staying Stewart Copeland's brother. So it was like a hard rock cafe kinda just small little place that a lot of musicians hung out at. We had the they might be Giants after party there when we open for them in LA and I was

I was there all the time. I if he was there, we opened for them in LA and I was I was there all the time. I if he was there we definitely had interactions and I found out something else that I probably shouldn't reveal but I just have to. It's been haunting me so I finally looked it up you know Kevin Brennan had a pilot? Yes, number one song. Okay, so when you audition for a pilot you do a first read for the casting director if they like it they bring you into read for the creators and then if they like that they send the tapes to the network and to the studio and if they like it you get what's called a network test. I tested for Kevin Brennan's pilot to play Neil Brennan. Holy shit. That's amazing. Which means a I didn't get the part. Right. You were not in it. But but it means both of us have spent a lot of time together. And I remember being in an elevator with him after the test and writing down. And I remember feeling like, like, neither of us got the

part like it was Kevin show it was just so dejected that I felt like boy I guess this didn't go well or I really I honestly only have vague memories of it I'm trying to pull it back now that I figured out who it was but I know these guys these guys have been around a long time. And we've been doing the same stuff, but somehow, well, I guess no, we've all ended up in the same place. We're all yelling about Carl or with Carl or near Carl. And here we are. The tantalvers.

Isn't that interesting that you were gonna play Neil Brennan, who then went on to become extremely famous. He was gonna be played by someone on a sitcom only to go out and be like, well, no, that's Neil Brennan from Netflix. Yeah, I know that guy. He's at that YouTube podcast that we all watch. It's not bad casting. I can see what they were going for. I can see it too. But it's funny. But I think, I think you just proved again that Chad's lying. He's lying all the time.

There's no way he was booking for that venue if you don't have any recollection of him Why would it be? What you're describing is something that they would hire Chad to do unless he's organizing an open mic with her ever open mics there No, and they didn't really have regular gigs I remember like just hanging out there enough and it was just a natural thing that happened It was like a place that at 2 a.m Would close down and there'd be instruments and people would just jam.

And we started playing there. It wasn't really a proper venue. But I don't know why I revealed all that. I'm not proud of it. It's hilarious. I just felt obligated to give them ammunition that they can feel free to use on me since it's all fair game.

I have a quick aside. I wanna give an update on someone we've talked about on WTP and then I have some amazing Settling John stuff to get to. So that's coming up. Robo Shitstain MK9000 who suggested the show we did today also in our Discord. Let me know that Fleece Johnson, the OG Booty Warrior, he has come out and done something that he had never done before. In fact, he said he wouldn't do this. But this is the most recent podcast of fleece Johnson, the guy who brags about having sex with more men in prison than anyone in the history of prison sex. in prison than anyone in the history of prison sex. I forget what the number was, but it was a high number. He was in prison a long time. He was covered on like ABC News. He covered this.

This man has broken the record. Yeah. There was a character on the Boondocks, the TV show based on this guy. So this is his latest. I apologize because really it was, I was out of line and why did I do it? Well, you know, it's my, I don't have an excuse. I was being mean. Just put it like that. I don't have an excuse. I was being mean. Just put it like that. He has apologized for butt raping all of those different prisoners over all those decades and He's getting he's been getting a lot of flack from the gay community

so he's coming out and apologizing and He said I'll tell you the reason why I did it I was being mean Even rapists are upset with him. yeah, you're giving us a bad day man. It's too much. It's too much raping I was being mean is a pretty funny I was in a mood I just you know prison just really rubs me the wrong way I know it's a strange hang up I couldn't help myself Get real angry about it. Well. that's an excellent update. It sure was. All right, let's get into Stuttering John since

we're on YouTube. I'm bleeding generously because I got a bloody ass. You know, he's been doing these cameos. Well, Phil and Canton sent me this one. It's not up on his page. But it's an interesting topic that john gets into. If you're familiar with woke dad, of course we cover them on who are these socials. We've covered them on this show. I've certainly done a bunch with Drew on the Drew Lane show. So this is a fun little tie in here. Hey Dan, how are you? It's the world

famous stuttering John doing a cameo from my beautiful Mercedes Benz that I just cleaned and pulled my back out. Go to the gym almost every day. I don't pull my back, but I cleaned the car. I pulled my back anyway. Uh, you, you opened a mobile coffee shops as your brother, Phil. He didn't say anything about being a brother. So he just made that up or his reading comprehension is not great so he's saying Dan you open a mobile coffee shop and Mobile coffee shop, you know, I have one at my gym there The fuck does everybody want fucking coffee for so over coffee coffee ice cream coffee gum coffee candy Every fucking coffee. Is it really a Epidemic is he saying I don't know it's a problem of your aware John's really good at cameo because

it'll be like hey my husband and I are having our fifth year anniversary he's like fuck marriage marriage sucks it's the worst kind of thing like no matter what people are saying that they are into he hates it and if anything should happen look me up. Right? I don't know why he thinks this is his signature. He thinks he's known as the guy. He thinks he's done. Rickles. He thinks he's known for just tearing everybody apart and this is what they expect. He's got to understand. It just sounds like you're being mean because you seem so unhappy and so wet and just grumpy.

It doesn't come off like you're roasting us. You have to be comfortable with yourself to roast us. You just seem really angry and upset. Or come up with something clever or funny. I mean, as long as jokes are not an option, I assume it's not even, yeah. He acts homeless because he's always in his car and this sounds like a homeless rant.

Coffee candy. Coffee this coffee that. Coffee. Where the fuck do we come up with coffee? Why don't you have a mobile cannabis fucking shop? That's what I want. Wouldn't that be great? Set a ice cream man. You have a thing go off a bell comes out and then it's like you know, it plays like because they got high, because they got high, because they got high, and you come out of your house and you buy yourself some edibles. So in his mind, the mobile coffee cart

is driving around like Skippy. And adults are running out from their homes. Oh, coffee's here to go buy coffee. I don't think he's understanding what that says. It sounds like he misses the times when he used to have a drug dealer. But that was the guy you met on the street to buy your drugs.

He didn't have a bell, but you could find him. He said they have one at the gym, so there's someone driving around at the gym. That makes zero sense. That makes zero sense, I don't know. I think the gym is the only thing he does, so he just has to talk about it. You know there's coffee at the gym. Yeah yeah there's coffee at every gym. Right.

Yeah. There's also other beverages too. They don't force you to drink coffee, get a bottle of water if you want, maybe some Gatorade. I don't think he's having many interactions to base you know this comedy on except for the gym, home, and welfare. Good idea but you don't really have good ideas. According to Philly says that you have a new art studio that you claim is for kids But it's at risk communities the fuck is that? Doesn't know what an at-risk community is I Want to know what he thinks it is. It's two out of three of your children chat

I don't know why he's so out of breath why is he so out of breath he just sat down it's gonna stop all worried up over this yeah for at-risk communities what the fuck is that what whoa is it for charity what the hell is charity I've never heard that's not a good idea is sounds risky Sounds risky to me. Is charity profitable? I'll do that. Anyway, anyway, you're the obli one says your brother. I guess that means obviously, I don't know. And plus, Phil says that you're gay, not like any, there's anything wrong with that. I know this guy named Lady K who's also gay and there's nothing wrong with that. I know this guy named lady K who's also gay and there's nothing wrong with that. Anyway, I hope you have a good day. This is Stutter and John saying good. As soon as he hears the word gay, it immediately connects to me in his mind. He can't help himself, but there's nothing wrong with it. No, of course not. According to Rob Sell, it's great. But in John's mind, he just hears the word gay. This is a cameo to one person who happened to send it to me because they're a fan of the show, but this never should have even gotten anywhere near me.

Nope. It's weird, right? He's out of the tablovers. No, he is not. What is that? I thought you were free from all of this stuff, so you don't have to deal with it because it's taking its toll on your mental health and your family's mental health. So why are you giving it as a gift to this cameo person on their birthday? Only thing out of his mind. It's 24 7. It's all he thinks about. He still wants to get back at me and Julie and Chad, he's really mad at Chad. So

He talked about once, um, having blocked his, uh, wife's new husband, but then unblocking him briefly just so he could insult him and then blocking him again. And another thing. That's the way he lives. That's the way he lives his life. This is what he's doing. He's making fun of you in the least place that you would find it. And he did just yesterday, I think he tweeted like a name he was like Phil potato trying to dox. Did he really? He did. He had a name and all the responses were like I thought you're out of the doubt if you're not in a war anymore you can't

just like show up fire a couple shots then run away back home you're in or you're out so what the hell is? You're more obsessed with it than anyone in Dabler's Anonymous. Also, how many times have you been wrong about, with penis wrinkle, with Cardiff, he's been wrong dozens of times. Like stop, stop trying, you're not gonna get it. It's like when you would want to guess someone's first name.

It's like, let me guess. Hold on, let me guess, let me guess. You look like a Jason. Yeah, it's like you're not gonna get it. Oh, it was Clearwater Chad. He's like, oh me guess. Hold on, let me guess, let me guess. You look like a Jason. Yeah, it's like you're not gonna guess. Oh, it was Clearwater Chad, he's like, oh you look like a... That's right, Clearwater Chad, with his real name, yeah. Fucking idiot. And the best was the panic on his face when he's like, that's not your real name.

Yeah, I don't know, I don't know your real name. I need that. Who the fuck are you then? Get the fuck off my stream. All right. I put this together. I'm pretty proud of it. I'm debating whether we should just play it all the way through or pause it and comment.

You know, I might post this separately. So let's pause and comment as we go. Basically, John just did a standup show and he told us before he left the dabble verse that he was working on his one man show and he's excited about this. And that's what he's going to be spending his time doing writing jokes, putting together this new show. And that's what he's going to do is going to tour this new one man show. And then he said on his show, I can't remember who he was talking to or no, it didn't matter

who he was talking to. It was who he said he talked to earlier that day on the phone He's always talking to people on the phone. He's one of those guys Erin does that Chad does that I was talking to someone on the phone today Cool, and he said the guy gave me a great idea. I've already written a book. I Can make my one-man show just my book my life story is already out there I'll just do my book as my one man show just my book. My life story's already out there. I'll just do my book as my one man show.

This is how fucking lazy John is. John's the laziest guy ever. When tasked with come up with a one man show to get out of the devil verse, prove to the haters you can do it, entertain people again, go back on stage, all these things. Instead of writing new jokes, he went to his book and found what he thought was the funniest part

of it. And that was the show. So what I've done here is I put together a video that syncs up because we have the book. I think producer Chris got this for us, right? Wow. We have easy for you to say. So I found the part of the book that is his new act and I've synced it up with his new act so you can see how close it is. There's a couple of jokes he leaves out in his act. So I want to analyze that like why that didn't make it maybe forgot because he's, you know, he's doing that office dome, but this is pretty wild right here. New Year's Eve, we had a whole party. We had the Kardashians there. Actually, a dude did hang out with them.

And everyone's there. There's my wife, we just got done with dinner. She's washing the dishes. And then she runs into the bathroom. I chased after her, I'm like, honey, what's wrong? She's like, my water just broke. I'm like, well, that doesn't mean you have to stop washing the dishes. Come on, I'm ready for a doesn't mean you have to stop washing the dishes come on I'm ready for fucking dessert oh fuck off and then that's my favorite

part of his entire stand-up show that's the please clap of Suddory John's stand-up show when he explains he's having a party on New Year's Eve with his nine-month pregnant wife. And then she's like, my water brother's like, so what we want dessert. And you didn't think that was gonna get a huge laugh like, yeah, you tell that bitch, get back in the kitchen. Let's go. What kind of dessert? Even a roomful of Dick Masterson's wouldn't be like, that's not great. Oh, fuck off. Fuck. Are you following this on the screen out of how close it is to the, what he wrote in 2017,

published in 2018? It's crazy. This is 2025. It's every single word. And listen, laziness is fear. He's lazy, but he's afraid. It's the OPI thing. If I never really try, I can never really, I never really have to feel bad because I didn't give it my all anyway.

So when you make fun of me, it doesn't matter. But I, I'm guessing you tell me if I'm wrong, when he had his political show and he would interview women, I don't think he would say this bit. He still would say bits from his act. Always. It's always at the ready. But this, I think he would know, don't say that that doesn't fly now. Oh yeah, of course. So then why is he telling that woman to fuck off

when she's just like, well, that's not funny anymore. Because he's- And I've never, sorry. Well, the answer to your question, I think, is because he thinks that in the comedy club, he's being edgy, he's being Stuttering John from the Howard Stern show again. This is his brand, right?

And actually, I never do this, because I never read his book, we just listened to the audio version of it. But on the bottom of every page is a question he would ask a celebrity. Wow. And they're all written by Fred and Jackie and Howard. And every single page has, we should go through this.

Because I realized he didn't write these, but some of them are fucking lame. But he was so proud of it that he had to put it in his book. No, you said it. Stuttering John doesn't exist. Stuttering John is a creation of his former employee. And John is simply whoever he is talking to. That's who he becomes, which is why the Donald Trump prank doesn't work at all because when he's talking to Trump, he stops becoming a comedian and he becomes a politician. So what a boring prank call to hear two politicians talking to each other.

That's not comedy. And then that guy hung up the phone and realized, oh, I stopped being the comic. And now I'm back with these comics. And I realized I just did nothing. And he continues to be like that. He doesn't exist in the car. He's a roast comic, right?

That's what he is. But when he's at school, he is helping the young minds. When he's with Meanie, he is a mentor. But now when he's here school, he is helping the young minds when he's with Meany. He is a mentor But now when he's here, he clearly Yeah, and a sex best and has no tolerance for anyone that's like neither the time nor the place fuck off Yeah, and actually we're gonna come up to it soon We've been doing the series on our patreon the living in the past of stuttering John and we're coming up to the episode where he plays the Trump prank call that we're talking about

and then episodes after that he continues to talk about it and The way he copes is by saying no the funny part is that I got trump on the phone It's like why wasn't that call funny? No, no, no, no the call wasn't supposed to be funny Oh really? Because that's what prank calls are they're supposed to be funny. You just don't get it Could you imagine Jim? 14 put out a whole album. Just like could you believe I talked to all these? Telemarketers like yeah, they call all the time. That's I bought all this stuff

Sounds like a good deal. I Remember that episode and I remember him saying in out of frustration that the point of the call was to prove that stirring John can do anything he puts his mind to. Okay, so then you don't need an audience. Why are you wasting our fucking time? That's not going to be a big potato. And then she complains the whole time. I'm taking it to the hospital. Most chicks would love to be in the back of a Harley And then we get to the hospital and there she is lying on the living room table and I'm Massaging her head. She's in pain. So I'm happy I'm only kidding. I wasn't massaging her head

And then the doctor goes he goes all right, it's time. I go, it's time for what? He goes, so he left this part out. The doctor said to me, look, I can rush this and save you money on the yearly taxes. I was like, no doc, it's my kid. I'd rather you take your time. What does that mean? So this is a New Year's Day baby.

So New Year's Eve they rush to the hospital so if the baby's born he can claim the baby out of taxes. It was also because I had an OCD thing where I already got in my mindset for January 1st before I left my house. My OCD gets real bad when it comes to my kids. So he left that part out of his act. Alright, let's get back to the hilarity. This is bombing so bad.

It's so hard to listen to this because there's a dozen people who sit there going, oh, and he doesn't abandon it. He goes through it. I go, it's time for what? He goes, come on over, the baby's gonna be born. Come on over and see it. I go, no.

He goes, what do you mean, though? I said no. Come on over here. I go, no. He said, why? I go, cuz every one of my friends tells me, if you see the baby being born, you're never gonna wanna have sex with your wife again. He goes, that's ridiculous.

Come on over here. I walked over there, it looked like a fucking CSI crime scene There is there was blood everywhere. My wife was stretched out like this. She looked like a manhole with a mustache This is so bad, what was the back and forth the doctor? Why was that part of the routine and he was like come over and I'm like No, and he goes no you gotta go What was the show? Showmanship. Yeah, it's called a back and forth. You just don't understand comedy. It's building suspense

So now he's talking about his ex-wife's vagina, which Bob Susanna or ceases to says Stop talking about my vagina. You're act now, please cease and desist. Stop talking about my vagina. Your act now, please. Looks like a manhole with a mustache. And that is, of course, all of this is word for word in his book. Okay, let's keep going. And then what happens? I don't know if this ever happened to any of you ladies. The baby's fucking head gets stuck in it. Did it ever happen to any of you ladies? Alright, what happens? Baby's head gets stuck in it. The doctor pulls out these huge fucking pliers called forceps.

He didn't want to use a big word like forceps. It's a radio thing. It's a radio thing By the way if anyone in the audience had actually been through that it's not a fun memory Right remember that moment where you during labor where you almost lost your child who's with me raise a fan And he grabbed the forceps Laughing remembering that time and yeah, that's not what this is. He doesn't realize who's giving this. This is like, this delivery is of an ogre. It's a demon slowly dying.

You sound so gruff and just eat like he sounds like a mean asshole. So there's no cute little wink in any of this. Maybe there was 25 years ago when you started it, but now you sound like someone who beats his wife. You sound like an alcoholic who doesn't give a shit about anybody. So it's not funny. Maybe if a good looking young guy is doing this and the joke is I'm making fun of good looking young guys

that are like this, maybe it could work. But John, this character reading that stuff is just abusive. And I know if he had his show, he'd pull up any mainstream comic and pull up their book and show bits where they said the same thing. That's just a bit not an entire act that you've been doing for 25 years without anything added. Only things taken away and not a new joke in it. Yeah, well this is the new, this is the new material. This is the only thing I hadn't heard him do on a stand-up show before and it is bombing miserably. And he's already established at this

point, we'll get to more of this at some point, more of the stand-up, because it's great. He's already established with the audience that he's divorced. So to your point, Adam if he was up here, and he's talking about how he's a loving marriage And he's talking about how I probably wasn't the best when we had our baby together Probably said some wrong things you can maybe get away with that with some charm or something, but it's like We already have a contentious relationship and when we were together. This is how I treated her This is what her vagina looked like It was awful. Okay, cool and spoiler alert. I left her because I didn't like that pizza anymore That stretched out cheesy pizza was no longer appealing. So I went to get some more aren't I a hoot?

pliers called forceps So there he's got the fucking he's got the forceps in there. Dr. Haines are in there. The baby's head is in there. I'm like, honey, next we go on vacation. We don't need any luggage. We can pack everything in there. The thing that he left out from his book is laptop. No problem. That would have killed it I know because you're thinking like well I could put a phone in there maybe or what else what a laptop but that's way too big for a vagina hole yeah and you have to check that with TSA the whole thing put that in the bin

that the bed then the baby comes out he's beautiful check it out it's fucking easy then the doctor goes all right time to cut the umbilical cord I'm not gonna want to cut the umbilical cord come on come on you gotta cut it all right so I put down my beer I cut the umbilical cord bring the baby home. The baby's We read you the part that he left off from that little section. He goes, but then the baby comes out and he's so cute. Unfortunately, what happens is this huge purple sack of blood and pus comes spilling out of my wife. The doctor calls it the placenta and I affectionately call it the gag bag. The doctor calls it the placenta and I affectionately call it the gag bag.

And then the doctor's like, do you have any questions? Yeah. Are you going to have sex with her because I'm fucking traumatized. So then the doctor starts fucking with the gag bag. This is crazy shit. Adam's not having fun anymore. Adam stopped having fun. I'm sorry. He's looking for his gang. It's not a joke that you were looking for your beer. You're drunk on stage holding a beer.

That's not a wack? Visual for us also, you know, he's drunk the audience is drunk when they're just laughing at energy sometimes he just There's a lot of Snickers that are just uncomfortable. Oh, yeah. Yeah, just take a look like And now they know if they don't laugh he's gonna curse at them true. Yes. He's sent to you set that precedent Yes, because audience love that they love when you shit on them early on and also I just want to add if this was your opener How pissed would you be? Like how pissed would you be like this? Thanks for warming up the audience for me John. Yeah great Can't wait to get out there bad watching feel bad watching this. I would go home.

I'd be like, you know what? We're just going to get our food to go. Thank you. I cut the umbilical cord, bring the baby home. The baby's in the crib crying right next to our bed. My wife gets up, rips her blouse off, rips her bra off, and jams her nipple right in the kid's mouth. I'm thinking I'd be lucky to get that on Christmas. Ladies and gentlemen, the comedy stylings of one John Melendez.

Even when he says the good stuff, even when he's like, so the baby's born and maybe the joke would work if you gave something a different delivery. Maybe if it sounded like you were happy about that, you could be upset about that. It just sounds like you're unhappy with your life and you don't want to be there. Well, I'm glad that you're here. I appreciate you being here with us. And I want to promote. Of course, you've been working with Ali on her album,

she just dropped a new video today. Yes, I produced an album of Nine Inch Nails covers with Ali Gertz that she recorded and performed. You might know her from the Talking Simpsons podcast, and she was a host on there, and now we released this record and a couple videos and in celebration of Nine Inch Nails announcing their world tour,

we released a video for March of the Pigs today, which you can find on YouTube. Here's a little bit of it. So you can see that. I think we've talked about that show, Adam, didn't we? Talking Simpsons? Uh-oh.

Sorry, Ali. Stop right up March Push Sorry, Ellie. I want a piece of it, I think he's losing it I wanna watch it come down Don't like the look of it, don't like the taste of it Don't like the smell of it, I wanna watch it come down All the pigs are all lined up I give you all that you want Take the skin and peel it back Now doesn't it make you feel better? That's incredible. Thanks for playing that, Carl. She's phenomenal. I've really enjoyed this album that she put together. And Graham Wellington, you're right.

Nerf Herder have a song they wrote about Allie Gertz called Allie Gertz. No shit. How about that? Nerf Herder, which is a Star Wars reference. Everything's coming together on the show So check that out. Also, you can check out drones. I found it on Amazon Prime. It's a movie from 2010 that Adam directed Yes, I'm excited. It's available again stars Paul of Tompkins Mark Evans Jackson a bunch of funny people Jonathan Woodward Angela Bettis It's about aliens that work in an office. Sam Levine is in it.

There's a little freaks and geeks reunion in it. You know who's here is our friend Annie, Annie the review girl. What's up, Annie? Oh, hello. Good to see you. Good to see you as well. Thank you for being here. Now, you usually come on and read some reviews for us.

Do we have any recent reviews that we can check out? Yeah, I got two for us this week. The first one comes in from Nabe Rob X on January 16th. They laugh at jerks, but not at themselves. Forgive the harsh language, but they're jerks. They are the jerks. Whoa, that is harsh. Is that a five star review? That one is a five-star review. Oh, very nice. Thank you. This is what we ask for.

Review us wherever you review podcasts. Shit all over us, but give us five stars. It helps the algorithm. We appreciate that. The second one comes in from January 20th from Finland from Manifesting Maria. Please do better. Committing your life and spending so much valuable time on trashing other people is just sad and a total waste of space. Live your life and spending so much valuable time on trashing other people is just sad and a total waste of space

Live your life and let others live theirs. When is hate ever solved anything? Valuable do you know what my time is like? That seems like a one-size-siz. He's like they're taking it real seriously. Yeah Yeah, I'm guessing they came from them that the lady that closes her eyes while doing the podcast. Oh right That's very real. Yeah Mariah something like that Whatever. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's right. It's just based on the manifesting. Yeah, there is no place for hate in this world I agree with you, which is why we like to have fun

We like to have fun laughing at jerks. It's a good time. I Was on the uncle Rico show last Friday. I like to have fun laughing at jerks. It's a good time. I was on the Uncle Rico show last Friday, I want to say. And they do this thing where they play these Mike Morse songs. Those Mike Morris videos are amazing. Oh my God, it convinced me. Mike Morris is so cool. Those fucking suck. Oh shit. They're're not great I was that thrilled as that happened I was out there just because AI is capable of doing something doesn't mean it should be done correct Paco a regular once again you know I agree with your speech coach therapist guy and you know it's voicemail that shouldn't be beefing with each other. I mean,

so what if some of them are straight faggots with, you know, the British accent that do long drawn out boring, go no, go nowhere jokes. You know what I'm saying? Fuck those devils. I mean, it doesn't matter. We should all just get along. You know what? Shout out to Dick Masterson. Fuck all you guys. All right, Pocka. We'll see you in Vegas. Looking forward to it. I think that those are some shots fired at Boner guy. If I'm not mistaken. It's a rivalry going on.

Carl Megan from Scorch's TFG TV. I would. Oh God. Oh no. That's very sad. I'm sorry to hear that. I'm sure she's a wonderful person on the inside. There's a lot of insight.

There's a lot of insight to be a wonderful person. This guy's from Chicago and has some thoughts on Man Cow. Bro, Carl, your boy was talking about Man Cow. What a piece of shit. That dude posts all kinds of fucked up shit. Not only that, he's such a fucking lying sack of shit. That dude posts all kinds of fucked up shit. Now he's there. He's such a fucking lying sack of shit. When I lived in Chicago, he was always posting, oh I'm here, I'm there, look at I'm watching the people do this, that motherfucker never left his penthouse. He was funny for a little bit in Chicago because he

had a group of people around him, but that motherfucker, he's a conservative fucking dickhead. You should see his interactions. For a guy that has millions of fans, he's got like 10, 15, 20 interactions with postings on X. He's a piece of shit. And the only reason he was fighting for money is because he had other people that didn't realize he was a fucking Nazi bastard. Fuck Mancow, I hope he dies.

Whoa, we haven't covered Mancow in like a year or two. Holy shit, guys are still angry about it. I agree, he's not great. Gary in San Diego, I made an accusation last time. What was it? I said I bet he watches Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy. Okay. Hey, Carl, in answering your question, Judy and I do not watch Wheel of Fortune, but we do tape Jeopardy so we don't miss an episode. They tape it. I wonder if it's on too late. And we're competitive for sure. Good enough to be on Celebrity Jeopardy where they

dumbed down the questions. I'd love to see Stuttering John on Celebrity Jeopardy with Robin, who was actually on Celebrity Jeopardy once before, and Fred Norris. Guaranteed he'd come out dead last with red ink, probably not even final jeopardy and he'd be so humiliated he would walk off the show he'd just walk off fuck off anyway that's my opinion on stuttering John a men's idiot a mental liar he'd never make it and I wish you would quit that goddamn lip smack rock and roll that's how you know John's been gone for a month when we're getting reruns from Gary at San Diego it's like comfort food I understand Robin I think was on Jeopardy

twice because the one time she did well and then the other time she humiliated herself it was really bad. Am I right about that, Adam? Do you remember that? Vaguely, yeah. And I'm thinking Mr. San Diego tapes it so that he can watch it secretly earlier and win. That's why people do that.

I don't write down the notes, I have to memorize it. Another win for Kerry, that's funny. Rock and roll, huh? Hey, Carl. I've never been to New York before, but I was planning to go to the city and do all the touristy stuff. Where should I hang out if I want to get sniped by the Obsturt? I figured I could go out, I'm not going to harass him or anything, but I could, you know, go out and play the straight man for him, give him something to really, you know, let him really make fun of me and have some fun. So give me suggestions of where I'd find Opie.

Well, Geb Hards on Tuesdays, I believe, is when he's at Geb Hards Beer Culture, but he's an Upper West Side guy. Look for memorials. He loves memorials. He loves the John Lennon Memorial or maybe a fire station or something He'll find you we all know if you've seen don't fuck with cats or just been on tik-tok Really all anyone needs is that picture of his view to figure out exactly? You'll figure out which building it as you can stand out if you really want to find him you can find him I didn't think of that. You don't have to stalk get parts

You can I do think of that. He really is doxxing himself with every episode for the ring light Shining through it's 500 feet up. You'll see the high of Sauron. Oh This is interesting. I think this guy was calling in from the Kansas City Chief Stadium. Oh During there after the game wasn't it? Sounds like a cheap celebration. Sounds fun. Something is. Fuck off.

Something is pretty loud in there. Those cheese fans enjoying themselves. Wonder what that's like. Yeah, I wonder. Keanu called into the show. Can a Thompson. Hello, Carl. This is Kiki.

I've got a new rock and roll band. We haven't played anywhere live yet. We're on tour. Listen to the act. I've written a new song. Gino ain't got no credit or fans either. Thanks for calling it, Kiki. Always good to hear from you. Who else we got here? Oh, this is Boner Guy. Go Bills. Oh, Jesus, Carl.

Deck the Hallmark. Wow. Really plumb new depths there. I knew that the improv comedy podcasts were bad, but Jesus Christ, these nothing burgers, they really take it to a whole new level. All I can say is, at the start, he said this comes from a suggestion from Alex on discord. I think Alex also helps with the creep off as a lot of great stuff to the show. I fully understand that. But just for this, fuck you, Alex. Fuck you. Understood. Go to the creep off.com and vote for Carl. Yes. Vote

for Carl this week because I'm on GamePoint. I'm going to need your votes. Please. The creep off.com vote for Carl. I brought we are doing the creepiest person in the stadium or arena and I brought the best videos you did. I mean it's straight out of the movie Slap Shopper that actually happened at Madison Square Garden Where the Boston Bruins every team member went up into the stands and beat the shit out of Rangers fans And our hero didn't even know what was happening Want me to punch someone all right grab the guy's shoe off his foot Oh hockey doesn't get any better than that

smashing it with it. Oh hockey doesn't get any better than that. My crew boy in dirty Jersey. What happened with the bills? You amazing Josh Allen. Hail Mary for the wind. Well, anyway, go jets. Oops. I mean, go Eagles. I guess the jets suck more dick than John's ex wife. Also, I have an idea for the creep off creepiest crossing guard. I think we've all seen some winners I had one who was about 90. He probably hung himself upside down in his closet by his bullseye That I would know. Thank you. Fuck you. Bye Where'd that come from? Thank you though for your concern about the bills.

I wasn't on the field, so it wasn't a lot I could do about it, but I tried my best. Scream real loud for my house. Ronnie in Syracuse. Hey, Carl. Love you. Love the show, Ronnie in Syracuse. I wanted to say listening for the latest episode from John doing the cameo and talking about how, like he always does, anything to do with the

Uncle Rico show means that you're into CP and pedophilia, including if you listen to the Uncle Rico show. So is John saying that because people enjoy going to Subway, they must be into sex with underage girls? This guy is nuts. He's facing a class action lawsuit from millions upon millions of subway sandwich eaters because by virtue of the fact that they go through

and enjoy subway, they must be into the same stuff that Jared Fogle was into. I'm just saying, don't call me that. Yeah, no, it's a really stupid argument. We all agree that he's a moron for saying that This is why he goes to Jersey Mike's you dumb Also because his sister's the spokesperson Here's a quote from Gino we get paid for stand-up we get paid to travel we get paid to write up, we get paid to travel, we get paid to write. Okay, who's paying you to write brow? If we can get him to take his

drinking up 20% we have the new stuttering John he's a loser. All right. I think I can convince Gino this drink bar. Something a good idea. Oh, I was talking about last week, all the podcasts we're listening to, everyone's giving weather reports on the show. Hey, Carl, how's the weather up there in Buffalo? It's pretty cold down here in the South. Got some snow. All right. All right. Thanks for the report. Did you guys see New Orleans? It's covered in snow. Like not just a little bit, a lot.

They're not used to that. I want to know why he chose to make that call right then while making a left. It had to be while he turned signal. I thought it was a timer to make it 45 seconds. Maybe. It's a metronome. He wanted to be specific. All right, last one we have here.

Why is Aaron so obsessed with the radio? Like, I'm only a couple years younger than him. So by the time we were done with high school, the iPod had been out for years. The iPhone had just hit the scene. Podcasts were starting to take off. The writing was on the wall. Why would he graduate high school and then be like,

I'm gonna get in a radio? It didn't make any fucking sense. Like even I, I wasn't nobody Anthony. I wasn't actually listening to it on time. I would go to the pirate bay where some guy uploaded the show and I would download it put it on my iPod and let's do it like a podcast Like radio was already on the way out. Why the fuck would you be like, I don't know if my career radio Doesn't fucking sense. It's just stupid. Well

Actually, I yeah. No, yeah, he's definitely stupid All right, thank you girl Aaron is a guy who was on the radio and got fired then went to twitch and went we're doing wave it around twitch The internet rules they took on a billboard. We're on twitch check it out, and he got kicked off twitch And now he's on YouTube. That's when he came up with the goal and rumble and he's trying to get the goal and now he's just like radio rules he's just uncomfortable so he just wants to be somewhere else and when he gets back on radio which he won't he'll hate radio because of management they don't want me to talk about this and the i had a talk to the pd today and they're telling

us we got to do this thing you know what I mean He's just an uncomfortable guy. It's a really slippery goal post it keeps moving. Yes. He's it's not gonna work out for him Well, Annie. Thank you for coming out and reading reviews for us Thank you for having me Adam next time come down to our studio. I would love that I will do that I will be there in Rochester, and I will broadcast from there with you all right We do not pay for travel expenses for I will do that I will be there in Rochester and I will broadcast from there with you all right we do Not pay for travel expenses for I will not be there Thanks everyone for hanging out with us on YouTube tonight for this free episode of WTP appreciate you all being here a plane has hit right we watch it Carly I gotta go goodbye goodbye fuck

yourselves have a good week that was a great episode that was really great man that was a good episode. Have a good week. That was a great episode. That was really great man. That was a good episode I was a good episode. I enjoyed that Already bought brand new underwear