Who Are These Podcasts? - Ep621 - Financial Audit

Episode Date: May 15, 2025

This week we’re checking out Caleb Hammer and his show Financial Audit. This time his guest is so dumb it’s hilarious. She’s a grifter and a scammer who apparently is the person getting scammed. When he finds out where her child support money is going he finally loses it on her.  Adam Busch is on to question how real the guests are on Financial Audit. Then we’re joined by King B from The Mike Jolitz Show to tell a hilarious story about his band opening for Stuttering John’s band back when John was riding high on celebrity. Adam made a recent appearance on the Conspire a Theory Podcast and we learn that Skinny Chad is my arch nemesis and he will destroy me. Aaron Imholte tried to make a roast video for Hackamania and he proves he knows nothing about how to write or deliver roast jokes. Opie fantasizes about being a guest on the Howard Stern Show and is continuing to take unprovoked shots at Anthony. We wrap up with your voicemails. Tickets on sale now for Boston on June 21st – ⁠http://watplive.com/⁠ Support us, get bonus episodes, and watch live every Saturday and Wednesday: ⁠http://bit.ly/watp-patreon⁠ ⁠https://watp.supercast.tech/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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But first, Financial Audit with Caleb Hammer had the dumbest guest on ever. This is a suggestion from Aaron B. We've both listened separately, we've not discussed it with each other beforehand. Financial Audit has 2.08 million subs. This episode from five days ago is 532,000 views. Of course, Caleb Hammer is the host. The guest on this episode is a woman named Star.

We've covered this show before, of course. Financial audit is this show where people are having financial issues. They're in debt. They're having a hard time paying off loans or Getting their bills paid on time They go to Caleb hammer and he goes through all of their expenses all their income and puts together a budget for them So they can get right Caleb's a financial guru That's how he's able to do this and they find some interesting guests and that's really he gets more and more animated as the years go on and the guests seem to get dumber and dumber and Adam and I were talking about this episode this afternoon, and I compared it a little bit

to the Jerry Springer show, where there's reality there, but I don't know if you've seen the documentary about Jerry Springer. It's great, because you see the pressure on the producers to get the guests that are gonna cause fireworks. You know, we gotta find the guy who married a horse, we gotta get him on the show, and it's real. They got a guy who married a horse.

Like, they didn't make that up. It's like, cast or something like that. Yeah, so the producer doesn't have to say act crazy. Right, except for they do try to ramp them up a little bit So it's not it's kind of like a reality show where there's reality But there's also some scripted things happening in there, and I'm curious about this show because it's very popular people like it I enjoy it, but I wonder about These guests if they're coached at all so what I tried to do is I wanted to show you

how this guest reacts to things. She seems to be very, very dumb. I doubt she would play a character like this on purpose with all the views that it's getting, but. Who knows? We call this a Trisha Paytas type. Yes, very, very dumb. Oh boy.

And when we start off the show, we're already off to a really bad start with her. My name is Star, I'm 40 years old. I'm from Phoenix, Arizona. And this is financial audit. Want to do it again? Go for it. This is God, why am I having like a brain fart right now? My bad. I'm so sorry.

You know what? We'll just leave that and we'll start. That's okay. So this is star 40 year old woman who came into Austin to be on the show and the first 15 minutes are difficult to get through because She just answers every question with one word doesn't elaborate on anything and Caleb's just like okay. What does that mean? So for example, what do you do for a living? I'm a social media manager. Okay, for a brand and an industry, for a company, TikTok. Yes. You work for TikTok?

No, I work with TikTok. Anyway, the point is, she says that she helps TikTokers adhere to the terms of service. And he's like, okay, so you tell tick tockers not to use the N word? What does that mean? Doesn't seem like a hard job. And then she also provides birth chart readings. She gets into some astrology and stuff like that. And she can't explain what any of it means.

And she goes, well, if I could read your birth chart, I could help explain this. And Kale goes, what do you mean? Why do I have to do that? But he plays along. He goes on this website, he types in his date of birth, the time he was born, the place he was born and all that. And then Star here decides to read the chart so we can start getting some answers to these

questions. So you have a stellium in Capricorn, which makes a lot of sense, since you are the financial guru. And you have, you also have, your moon is in Leo. You're just reading what the thing like. I'm reading the chart right here. You're reading the chart or you're reading

what like the bullet points are. Do you see where I'm pointing? Go, keep going, keep going, keep going. Okay, my moon is in cancer or something, okay. No, it's in Leo. Sure. And your Mars is retrograde in Leo as well. So you. Please do what you need to be able to answer

my question because you needed to know my star chart. You see, this is what I do. I answered your question. That is the most... You've talked in 16 minutes right there. So yeah, keep going. I read people's charts for them. I write up a report and I send it to them. They paid me for that that I just need you to be able to answer my questions you said you needed to see my star chart to be able to answer my question example so it turns out that the only reason for this whole exercise that takes forever yes to call his mom and dad to find out the time he was born and they have to find his birth certificate shit just to make

her feel smart yeah just so she could demonstrate like oh this is this is the thing that I do that your moon is in retrograde near Mars is gonna go south. She's already defensive. Oh, it goes real south Yeah, it's not great and she's wasting time and he's just like, okay So people pay you to do that thing and she can't approve that she could do it or something. I'm not sure But then we get into so how much money do you make? And she can never answer any of these questions I'm not sure. But then we get into, so how much money do you make? And she can never answer any of these questions, but you know, he's got all the finances in front of him so he can look.

And he sees, and she says she makes about $2,000 a month between this social media manager job she has and then reading birth charts to people and stuff like that. So he goes, that's not a lot of money, $2,000 a month? How do you live on that? Like what are your expenses and she has a really hard time figuring that out She says I my expenses like 800 bucks a month What it's not like she has a family or anything. No, she has two kids actually Jesus But how much came what how much went out though how much was spent cuz thousand eight hundred came in

But how much came? How much went out though? How much was spent? Cause 1800 came in. 40% of it from child support. How much went out? Can you coach it out yourself, please? You need to call the stars, you need to summon them down. Talk to Mars Jupiter. Hello? How much did I spend? On what account? Everything. Oh my f***. Everything. Everything.

Everything? Everything. This can be debt. It can be anything. All your accounts. I don't know. Arrange it so I got bills. You need to create a chart for us.

You need to put in your birthdays. You need to get down to the millisecond in order to get this number. I don't know. It could range up to $1,900. Just depends. Up to from what? From the number of people who are in the same room. From the number of people who are in the same room.

From the number of people who are in the same room. From the number of people who are in the same room. From the number of people who are in the same room. From the number of people who are in the same room. From the number of people who are in the same room. From the number of people who are in the same room. From the number of people who are in the same room. From the number of people who are in the millisecond in order to get this number? I don't know. It could range up to a thousand, nine hundred. Just depends. Up to from what? When someone gives a range, they usually give this, where the range starts? It could be nine hundred, it could be a thousand, it could be eight hundred one month. I mean, it just depends on... But this last month, what do you think you spent?

Um... Last month, what do you think you spent? Probably 800. Do you have a rent? Yes. How much is your rent? $243. The f- What? She's in subsidized housing.

Okay. Her rent is 200. Did she go on a show to get views? Why is she here? This is what I can't understand. Because if you've ever watched the show before, you know these are the questions that are gonna come up. Of course. And she doesn't know the answer to any of these?

She's not even speaking most of the time. And this is where I want to get into like how they vet the people for the show. And they talk about it's a multi-step vetting process There's a lot of questions the producers asked beforehand and they get all this financial information And they they give it to Caleb so they can just come in and have the info in front of them and start asking Questions and she's very confused. So Adam I'll ask you we're gonna get into more of this, but What are your thoughts? Is this a character she's playing? Is she really this dumb?

Are people really this dumb? It feels like this is a bit like when a dating show really needs to cast people that are interesting and they'll even pick people that are like secretly married because they're big characters and the person's willing to do it because it's a TV appearance and it'll help stuff out. So I think there's a degree of reality, like she's probably very bad with money and hasn't really checked out her finances.

But I don't think, you know, it was her idea to be here. I don't think she's really looking for answers or for help. I think they found a wild character that he would react to. And it takes a lot of the realism out of it. The only thing I do think is kind of real is that she sees herself as a business owner and nothing and no one is going to take that title away from her and she's going to hold on to that and fight it no matter what he says. That part is real. The rest of it just feels like a show to me or like a bad improv. Now, I know that when Adam speaks, everyone listens.

I think that there is more reality to this than that. I think this woman really is this bad with her financial health and she is very stupid. Oh, I believe that. I just don't think she's actively looking for help. She doesn't seem at all like she wants this problem fixed interesting Okay, yeah, because they bring up Lindsey who is the woman in charge of finding these people Okay, and there's a few times we'll get to examples. There's a few times when Caleb's kind of getting frustrated like yelling at Lindsey about what's going on here But before that things get heated pretty early out on the show

So in this so you just scam people out of mine Let's be honest you just scam people out of money for their charts you scam people out of money for Helping them be in community guidelines You scam people out of money. You're a scammer. I'm gonna call it as I see it. I don't give a fuck No, you're a scammer. I am NOT a scammer. I mean literally the producers are telling me that you called your own agency a Ponzi scheme She nodded yes, yes, so one of the things I brought this up last time we reviewed this show I'll just bring it up again The stupid dings is whenever time he uses the F word and he uses the F word three or four times a sentence.

So it gets very annoying. Again, Caleb, if you're watching, stop swearing so much or just mute it. Like we don't need to have the sound effect. It's like fucking watching red bar. Okay, here comes, I'm like ready for the fucking sound effect again. Like, ah, here it comes. This is where things get a little heated and contentious. Why would you not seek people for their insights into your life? Because obviously you're a complete f**k up.

I am not a f**k up. And how dare you tell me that I'm a f**k up. You spend double what you make, you only grift for a living, you work for what you call a Ponzi scheme. Excuse me, what's going for you? My life, I'm still breathing. Okay. Being able to survive as a sentient being. That's it. That's our gold stars. Yep.

It's pretty good to not be ambitious cause you'll probably, you know, achieve your goals. Is Caleb a little drunk? Is he a little drunk? He might be. He's wound up on this one. I should have mentioned I didn't say this, but when she goes, I guess I like $800 bucks for my expenses for the month, he goes, it was $4,000 she spent last month. So she made $1850 and spent $4,000.

That's where Caleb gets very upset with people. And it was subtle. I don't see a whole lot of production on this, but there was a slow close-up as he was fuming that was very impressive so she then says she's starting a new business as a travel agent in cable it's well I don't think we have travel agents in 2025 oh no no they're very important and necessary and she helps you understand that the what is it the bookings comm terms of service probably yes because she's like going through this training with the same the, uh, what is it? The bookings.com terms of service. Probably. Yes.

Because she's like going through this training with the same time she's starting this other business where she's training people on how to be creators on social media. I mean, it's so confusing. Who knows what's going on. And so Caleb is already wondering, how did we find someone like this? I have my own business you can look them up Lindsay the the the the the people you find in this country will never cease to amaze me Okay, so you're not a business you're a contractor to someone else's business you do not own a business I have my own business talking to Lindsay the woman who's responsible for bringing these people in that could be part of the act

You know oh my gosh. I can't believe you find these people because it is yeah, so outrageous. It's very possible My I'm still not sure though. I'm still holding on to hope that this is real Well, I believe that she will fight to the death rather than have anyone take away her girl boss mug that she probably true. Yes, I think that's right. So they talk about, alright, so can you show me this training course you're putting together? Can you show me this training you're doing to become a travel agent? He's asking these questions because she says she's spending a lot of time on this stuff like

30 hours a week on this stuff. And she's like, can't show you that I mean that's private that's you know classified stuff and that's when this word gets brought up. Well I would assume. Well there are certain things I can't show you because that's not for me to show you. What? That's you're not a part of the agency. The program? Yeah not only that but then I developed an e-learning program for social media. You developed an e-learning program for social media. You developed an e-learning program? Yes, I did. Now that, I can personally show you.

For fuck's sake. You developed an e-learning program. You know what? The word grifter gets thrown around online. And I'll let you into my personal life. I've had a couple of people call me a grifter. It is because I sell products online It is only because of people like you that

People look down immediately at the fact that I put an on an educational program and have launched a budgeting app So he's already like personally offended by this woman calling herself You know, she's developing online training courses and he's just like motherfucker You know, uh, she's developing online training courses and he's just like Motherfucker There's people calling me a grifter because of people like you Out there grifted away And uh, this is a funny exchange back after that And it's only because people like you go out there and just put out slop and charge hundreds

How do you know it's slop becauseb? Because I'm talking to you. So what? But how do you know it's slob? Because I'm talking to you. How do you know I didn't go and get somebody to mentor me through this? Because I'm talking to you. You can't speak on anything. Okay, so that's kind of fun.

I mean, he's very insulting. He's got her there. Yeah, so this woman. So she wants to pull out her tarot cards or whatever her cards are and just like, well, this is how I figure out what to do for financial information. I just asked the cards and she said, I can do a reading for you and I'll show you the wisdom in these. And so he's thinking about it, but then he realizes that his audience is not here for that. And this gets a little awkward. Okay, I can do a reading for you. would you like that? I thought you already did. I looked at your chart. This is card reading.

Okay, people are gonna be upset if I don't get in the finances so let's do a little finances first and I'll let you play with your toys. But I'm not That wasn't a joke You said play with my toys. Yeah, that's all they are That could go real left for a lot of people that don't know what the toys are Yeah, I'm not picturing you using a vibrator don't use toys then Naughty no, I Just like oh god

Definitely not and it seems like that's the zone where she's most comfortable, right? I think I think that's where she wants to be like, toys. Oh, you're thinking about my vagina. Are you like, Nope. I have a feeling that when Caleb goes on a first date, there's a lot of questions about finances, debt, income, guessing he doesn't want to fix her upper project like that. This is just kind of a fun insult, as they're breaking down her accounts and what's coming in and what's going out and what she has as far as debt I was going to break it down for you because they're different accounts

Please break it down and there's different money that goes into these accounts. Yes breakdown, please So any of the money that I get from like taxes or a lump sum of money goes into my Navy Federal and just stays there I don't touch it. That's what pays my car note, that's what pays the loan. And that's how I'm able to pay that off. Me. I thought they gave you the fake name Star because you're into astrology,

not because you have the mental capacity of a stripper. Oh, wait a second. Sick. Something was said. Yes. Yeah, so Star is not her real name obviously, but it's a fun little back and forth. It feels like they were execs that like came down to him and said, the show's going great. We need less of the financial auditing and just more of the fireworks So can you guys just focus on that and he's like whatever will sell my products? I don't give a shit

Yeah, you're right When he was trying to help them and these people like didn't like what was happening But they needed his help because I believe people don't look at their money like that. That's how they deal with it They just don't want to know out of fear and he deals with that really well but this is something else. He's not trying to help her. The first thing he said is you're a grifter. You're a scammer. Where do we go from there? Well he keeps telling her to get a real job. I think that's what he was trying to convey is like these things you're trying to do and this Ponzi scheme agency you work with

and stuff like this, this isn't it it go get a real job she keeps saying I homeschool my eight-year-old daughter who's autistic and so I have to find work that I can work around my homeschooling schedule and his argument is set her to public school and get a fucking job it's not bad advice it's not the worst advice it's gotta get some pretty good advice'm sorry, she's not there to get further ahead. She's there to get out of her current debt, which we see on screen. Oh yeah, which by the way,

goes way up to over 100,000 by the end of this. Why push back on any of this? You're the one in debt. Oh, that's the problem with these people. They think that they're gonna turn it around like that. You don't understand. My business is gonna launch next month and then we're gonna turn it all around.

I'll start making money. Even if you convince me you're right. You still are in debt No, but this is this is like talking to a person with a drug problem who goes no, I know I'm gonna figure it out I got this other guy told you I am gonna figure it out. I know but I don't believe you as my point But listen to this. All right, so What Caleb doesn't actually brings in a moron translator? Because he can't understand what she's saying to him. So he goes, all right, who's the dumbest employee here?

And he finds the dumbest employee who works for him and has him sit down next to her because he has a question about, so he looks at the credit card statement and she's just making minimum payments and paying 27% interest or whatever, and she's still putting charges on the card He goes why are you still buying things on credit when you're not even paying off your card? And she goes well because I was planning on paying it off And he's what was that? What does that mean? What do you? What I'm asking why would you put more charges on a card you can't pay off for that intentions don't help your right?

So then he brings in the moron translator and they have a debate about leadership skills because she keeps saying that she's a leader and that's her skill set. And now you're a scammer. I am not a scammer. Explain how what you're doing is not scamming. I'm not. I'm actually using my leadership skills and my education. Tell me what leadership skills you have? I have great organizational skills. I build a community for my people. So it's not just about-

That's leadership? Being organized is leadership? You'd be surprised that some people cannot put together- Some leaders are not organized but it's not a leadership skill. It should be. Being organized should be Organized should be translate it kind of sounds like she runs a discord Well during this interview cable goes, I'm actively hiring hiring positions right now and one of them is a leadership position

So I'm gonna interview you and he starts going through interview She's just bombing horribly which is why she doesn't have a real job because she wouldn't be able to get one if she wanted to but then she finally explains what it is that she does because she's on tik-tok and it's all about These live streams on TikTok because she gets explaining like no this is very difficult stuff to do to become a influencer and a creator and Caleb's just like bitch I got two million subscribers he doesn't say that but he's that's what he's thinking you're telling me yeah you're telling me this is difficult I fucking know how to do this

shit but then she finally explains what it is that she does on TikTok and I was taking it back I'm a little offended by this well if I'm entertaining and people to do this shit. But then she finally explains one of this that she does on TikTok. And I was taken aback. I'm a little offended by this. Well, if I'm entertaining and people are gifting me, then that's what I'm going to do. But they're not gifting you. You're gifting other people. I was making- But you paid for it. It was. I wasn't always paying for it. I had fans that came into my room and enjoyed me bruising people's egos. That's what I did. What?

It was entertaining for them. Wait, what do you mean? It's a good type of banter. What are you, you were just sitting there trashing them? It's called bantering. I think that we're talking to people. We're paying to talk so she

Talk shit to people she's like Jack's last resort. What's it called? Jack Astor's I'm combining two places Dick's last resort yeah, but it's like one of those things where it's like he just hurl insults at people which is fun I like that job Great Like what's her number? She calls this banter which by the way remind me to try out this Thursday at who are these socials our new style of

banter fucking blind piece of shit How many fingers Mike how many fingers I thought so just one at I'm kidding. I love blind Mike Alright, so that's what she was doing. She was doing banter She was insulting people that came into her room and they were giving her money for it I guess that wasn't very lucrative But she did have a job recently and she explains what that job entailed and why it didn't work out for her. Why the f- are you allowed to leech off the taxpayer? I'm not leeching off of

anybody and I have tried. Tried what? I actually my last job I had a really bad situation. Tell. Where I was interviewing men in particular and every time I got on the screen with them They've got their little willies out and started whacking him I'm not gonna have a chance like that one Every every ever that you said the word interviewing you're interviewing them. Yes. It was on was your job It was a food and beverage platform That you said the word interviewing you're interviewing them. Yes, it was on was your job It was a food and beverage platform They were in the shower they were just taking advantage

There's no laugh to that cuz I don't I don't know if it's uh So apparently she did have this job where she was doing these virtual interviews With with guys and the guys would see her and just shove right up it's our blasted off like some coded phone sex thing that she does she says I can't work in front of my kid because they're there yeah my phone yeah I can't actually yeah think about that so the she insults people it's like a dominatrix kind of thing uh-huh people pay good money for that and now her next job is for food and beverage, but everyone's jerking off I'm the things like it's a chat roulette But it could be if you get specific sure so Caleb hears that and

He's like alright, so I understand that you would leave there She goes, oh no, no, that's not that's not why I don't work there anymore But not take it anymore that they were just sweeping it under the rug. There was no safeguarding for good for agree It didn't just happen to me. No, that fired me because I reported them mmm Okay, I would have sued I Listen it's Okay, I would have sued. Listen, I don't want to push back because that sounds horrible, but the fact is with this entire conversation it makes it impossible to believe you, but let's just believe you.

Okay. So she was fired from that job that she hated where guys were jerking off, and he's like, oh, why wouldn't you just sue them? That's... the employer can't put you in that situation legally. But it all gets very mumbled. I don't think she's understanding how life works at all. She can't explain it anyway. So they kind of move on from that conversation and then it's finally time. He goes, okay fine pull out those fucking cards and you tell me how to be wealthy or whatever This is gonna tell me all right

So how much do people pay for this? I don't normally give readings. It's not something that I'm charged for. What? I thought you said okay. What's your business? I do I'm a spiritual life coach Okay life coach me then Do you want a life spiritual life coach me or do you want to do my cards? So I'm pretty good with comprehension. Mm-hmm, and I'm watching this whole episode I'm trying to follow along like what she does and I could have sworn

She was talking about she gets paid for these readings and he's like alright show me and she goes well actually that's not really what I do what okay now she's a spiritual wife coach which is by the way I'm definitely a bullshit title I get the impression she's never talked to someone smart before because she seems wildly unprepared you're right she's a charmer though. Maybe that's what her skill is. It's not working So she they go through with this and They try to go through with with this card reading Keep going

Okay, do you have a specific question? I? Don't know what I'm supposed to do Can you you have to be able to lead people? Do you have a specific question in mind? What kind of question am I asking? I don't know how this works. Do you have a question in mind? Uh, um, uh, the, are you going to be able to make it to the airport without getting lost? Pretty good question. Pretty good question, I'd be worried about that too. Are you gonna be able to make it to the airport without getting lost?

Question I'd be worried about that too because we're gonna get you the fuck out of here as soon as possible So she goes out to say like no no you gotta ask a question about yourself or whatever so he's playing along trying to meet her halfway and This is a long clip, but I think it's worth it when we see what goes down. Oh, and before that, things start getting worse after that. World? So are you dating? Yes. Okay, have you considered like, is it something serious?

It could be. Have you made it like official because I'm seeing open relationship with this ice queen? If it's not somebody older than you is she a little Bit older than you no, okay. She's the same age no, okay So it's going really well That's I mean he's trying to play along and she's just not getting the the right answers here So this is the clip outside was a little bit longer, but there's a good payoff here

but that person It's a little it's interesting. I mean this this person is a little more long distance So that makes it this one a bit more complicated compared to like something else Okay, I Hope it works out. That's it No, it's very discouraging I'm sorry guys I can't do it That's it? That's all you got? Yeah. So nothing? No. It's very discouraging. I'm sorry guys, I can't do it. What?

I can't do it. You can't do what? The reading. I got discouraged. You got discouraged? Yeah. Why? I just damn... Because half your things you're saying were wrong?

Yeah. That's discouraging. Yes. Why would be discouraged as well if I was bad at my job? Yeah, I am bad. I'm sorry. I can't do this. What? I'm very discouraged right now. Can't do what? The reading?

Yeah. I mean just all of it like, the scammer part and, and I mean just all of it like This camera part and and just just everything I just was not expecting Like once this goes out to your To the internet right what you're on boarded for yeah Yeah, no, no, I totally agree, But I didn't know that. See that right there, Adam is where I start to think there is some realness to this.

Where it's like onboarding. What does that mean? Yeah, this onboarding process where there's obviously multiple like there's the initial interview, and then they probably collect the information and then they have another interview. Now they've had this information. They ask about goals and lifestyle and things like that. And then they make sure, okay, you know, are you okay with this being on the internet? People are going to see your face. They're going to see these numbers. And she has to sign up all these waivers. They go, yeah, yeah,

I'm cool with all of that. That's what I would assume, right? That's what it sounds like. Yeah, it must be some kind of vetting process, some kind of pre-interview. Yeah. Right. So this is where I think the producer Lindsey chimes in a little bit That I would call it as I see it not necessarily the stuff that I said was going to be Used against me like that, but you do scam people I don't personally scam I'm not trying to hurt your feelings

But you're you should not be selling a program online that you are not qualified for because that is not besides that but The agency is what pays my bills right now. You call the agency a scam you said that I came on the show that She called the agency a... So you referred to it as a Ponzi scheme because they give you money to pay clients, but if sometimes they don't give you enough to pay clients, so you have to pay them on your credit cards and then they reimburse you, but then it gets categorized as income for you and not as a reimbursement. That's what I had written in my notes.

Oh no. So I don't think she understands what a Ponzi scheme is. I think just being taken advantage of. Probably not a lot of money to go around. She's not understanding how any of this works. But that's what they do. These MLMs get you because they know you want to be able to say and put on your Facebook that you are a business owner, girl, boss, bad bitch, entrepreneur. And once you define yourself that way, you'll hold on to it forever. Nothing can take that away no matter the facts, the money, the debt, your kids, your family. And yeah, I think she is realizing that now in real time. She's been taking advantage of that's an MLM And actually to that point this is the answer to the question. What's your dream job was trying to?

Stay along the lines with the creator manager Okay Is that what you want to do is that the dream job? That's not my dream. Okay. What's your dream job? I would like to be an entrepreneur and that's not a job You'd have to tell me what you want to be an entrepreneur in I swear every dumb person especially younger people They all want to be influencers and entrepreneurs Because it sounds like a really cool job. I don't have a boss and I just have all this money It's like oh no no actually being an entrepreneur kind of sucks

And your kid says I'm gonna grow up to be a businessman, you go, yay! They'll figure out in what business later. Not at this age. Not at 40 years old. You can't be like, what's your dream job? An entrepreneur. And I'm sure Caleb hears that a lot, but it's so depressing.

But you're right. It's because she's been given this title. She thinks she owns her own business. She's selling those cuticle knives or Mary Kay cosmetics or whatever it is, and she's the girl boss, but it's just not working out because she's working with TikTok influencers that she gets a 3% commission on. She's got a million other side hustles. I think she can't be,

she can't really reveal what the MLM is or what they sell, but it's clear that, and he points it out, She works for bigger corporations that tell her she's the boss, right? So then it's revealed that she has this other loan because he's going through her debt and this is pretty crazy. What is it? for That's a leftover balance I'm asking this if that's what you're looking at. Remaining balance is $3,600. Yeah, so originally I was going to have a surgery.

You okay? Yes, and it was just an elective surgery. And I... But you didn't have the surgery. I didn't have it.. I didn't have it and I just decided to keep the money in there So she took out a loan for elective surgery that she decided not to do just like well now I got this money So that's cool

How long do you think she's had this money from the surgery that she didn't use okay So the personal loans at the eleven point.19% and you just kept it. When did you take it out? 21 or 22? No, it wasn't. You've been holding this for that for years? Three, four years? Yeah. So she's got this loan that's 11% interest and she's just Continuing to pay that off Yeah, it's it's not good and then he starts going through how she's paying like a third of her money comes in his child support she's got a 20 year old son eight year old daughter and

So there's child support coming in and Caleb starts looking through like how is that money getting spent? What are you are you spending that on your child? Caleb starts looking through like how is that money getting spent? What are you are you spending that on your child? In and out most creamery there's your child support coming in so we can't ink and Dutch Rose and Jack in the box listen That says all that needs to be said No, okay That is her if that's what she wants then she can have that let's cut through the bullsh** She's in-cking nine, right? She's eight.

But if that's what she wants... You know what she... It's up to her. If that's what she wants. An eight-year-old. Maybe we should do school supplies. Maybe we should focus on... She has that.

But you're f-cking... All your child support money is going to fast food. It is disgusting and unacceptable, okay? Yeah, this is where he gets very angry with her. She's gonna get discouraged again She's eating as cheaply as possible you can't she's saving money with it Is that what she's doing by going out to restaurants with her daughter every day the idea that there's an eight-year-old autistic kid and that's the kids like well I got that money from dad. I'm gonna go to Jack and I'm like all right teaching her anything about how finances work and

Caleb's not enjoying that so he really calls her out here There we go. I mean Like I'm disgusted I'm disgusted this went from a funny conversation the beginning because you couldn't answer the conversation to Conversation where I'm cutting the bull to a conversation where I'm now disgusted and then the checking account. It's all pulled So one dollar in the checking account come on. This is grub one one dollar He hates seeing grub yeah door dad rightfully so He gets very upset with these types of expenses going on. I have one more clip on here because I think this is very funny. We find out another place where some of her money is going.

The money that she can't afford because she's making half of what she spends every month I'm ashamed do you not feel ashamed not to make you feel bad but just the reality of your situation it's giving people birthday money super chat money super chat money super chat money for the dog super chat super chat super chat what is all the super chat it's all for one person tell me what it is the super chat you have to pay them i pay them that you're done with that for tiktok yeah oh dude it's ten dollars super chat send uh and they're just replying heart heart you're super chatting this this person endlessly send a- and they're just replying heart heart you're super chatting this this person endlessly

it is not going to work all right without further ado All right. So we have a guest that's coming on. This gentleman, King B, it looks like is his name, messaged me and told me a story about playing a gig with Stuttering John back in the nineties after John was the big shot, the Stuttering John band, after they got signed. So I want to welcome to the program. What's up, King B? Hey, how are you? So I see you're from the Mike Jolitz show?

Yeah, Mike Jolitz show. We do a little, between five and ten minute little quick hitter funny news stories. Awesome. And people can find that on YouTube? YouTube slash at MTR underscore networks. Very good. So you played in bands in the Tri-State area in the 90s. Yeah so I was watching your episode from I guess it was last week when he was on with the dude that drove him home. Nick Graystone of Primal Scream!

There you go. And he's talking about playing in the band and he's dropping all these names. And as I was watching this, I was getting physically ill. I was angry and mad because of my experience with him. Okay. And that's why when I read your email, I said, I want you to tell this story because I can read that email, but it'd be much more interesting. I'm sure Adam will have some questions. All of us have played in bands and played good gigs and shitty gigs.

So we know how all of this works. And your experience was one that we don't hear about very often where you were actually there to support John's band you know John always brags about opening for Ozzy and crew and everything but You had the task of opening for the stuttering John band Right, so it was a club called raw in Queens in New York Raw already Queens Bayside, okay Bayside Queens, that Bayside, Queens.

That's where my grandmother's from. Oh, it was up on Bell Boulevard, if you know that. I do. That's also where Ron Jeremy's from. Oh, I didn't know that. It's a very famous place. So as a up and coming band, we were presented with, hey, you could be direct support for Stuttering John.

And he had just released his album. So Not being stuttering John fans or like even I wasn't a fan of Howard Stern, but you kind of look at it as hey There should be a lot of people there. Yep. Maybe Howard Stern crew Could be there. Maybe we get some recognition. We're definitely it, right? So, um, we're all excited. We go there. We, um, in the promotion, you know, it's going to be stuttering John. There's gonna be a lot of people there. So we were they allowed to use Howard Stern's name in the promotion, like on the flyers and stuff? No, it was strictly stuttering John. That's what I figured. But still still at that time we're talking about like 1994-1995

Yeah, 95 ish something like that. Yeah at that at that time I mean Howard Stern is the king of New York and everyone knows the whole cast and stuttering John and stuff So yeah, you would think that they're gonna pack a club pretty easily We figured you know an Off chance, maybe Howard makes an appearance maybe Baba Bowie makes an appearance somebody right right did somebody give you that impression that that might happen Well the promoter was kind of the promoters Dick as well, but he was kind of a dick promoter Before a bunch have you played it raw before you know the deal?

Yeah, that was kind of one of our home bases. So that's another reason why we drew so well there. Not only was it because Stuttering John was going to be there, but you know, we were kind of home base, so we drew well there anyway. Which is why we were put on as direct support. Not like, you know, 8 PM we go on. We were direct support for Stuttering John's band. And I should mention that the club didn't have a lot of confidence in John's band. If they hand selected a band that they know is going to draw, that's what they'll do. They'll be like, well, we know these guys will bring in a crowd because if they had if Suthering John is gonna pack the place they're not gonna waste your guys good night either a favor to them or they needed the help I knew you

would regularly fill the room right and keep in mind raw is a it's a small club we've all been there it doesn't pack thousands it's not a theater how many things a few hundred. So, nevermind what he was talking about. Oh, I played the Coliseum. He was playing a small club in Bayside Queens. I should point out, just a quick aside, he always brags about that Ozzy show that he played.

That surfaced online. It was an outdoor show that was sparsely attended at the time that John's band was playing and it was still daylight. And we've all seen those shows where the bill has too many bands and it starts at 5 30 pm and no one's going to get there till nine because the headlining exit 10. Just one stage? Yeah, just the one stage. So the night of the show we get there and we're all, there's a buzz in the air because again, it's Stuttering John, somebody we've heard on the radio, we're excited. Hopefully we get to meet him.

Again, we're all looking for inroads trying to promote ourselves. You get there for sound check, right? Yeah. And it's middle of the day? Yeah, we can load in and all that. So where the doors are like at, I want to say seven, just say, you know, where there are five. Perfect. So, and, and we're waiting, we're expecting this to Stuttering John to hang out with the, at least the bands. He's nowhere to be found.

The whole night he's nowhere to be found. We're waiting. We, the other bands go on, you know, the opening bands go on and he's nowhere to be found. We go to promoters like, you know, we want to, we want to meet Stuttering John. He's like, Oh, he's in the back and nobody's allowed to go back there. No shit. Yeah. So it's like, um, they have, they had a little backyard area where you could kind of go out, smoke a cigarette, have drinks or whatever, but nobody was allowed back there. You could kind of go out, smoke a cigarette, have drinks or whatever, but nobody was allowed back there at that time.

So all right, whatever. So we go on, we play and again, we packed the house. And sad to say that we went, we had a great show. We went off and there wasn't a lot of enthusiasm to see stuttering John, especially since he didn't bother to come into the club and mingle with anybody. So the club kind of emptied out after we left. Wow. Not after we left. Sorry. After we went home. So John saw himself as a big celebrity and obviously the club played along with it. Cause it's like, yay, I don't need anyone back here in my area.

And the fact that he can't even go out and like shake hands and thank people for coming out to the show. Nothing. I mean, that's the one thing he has as a draw is like, oh, I can, I don't care about his music, but he's going to be there hanging out. I can meet Stuttering John from the radio and he can't be bothered with that. And just, just to contrast that, if I can drop a name like Stuttering John does, Pete Steele from Type O Negative. We played, we opened for Type O Negative and then we opened for Carnivore, his band, before Type O Negative, they did a reunion show.

Pete Steele stood on the side of the stage, watched us play. When we got off, he was like, yo great show, that was awesome, you know, and just hung out When we got off, he was like, yo, great show. That was awesome. You know, and just hung out and bullshitted with us for, you know, a good half hour while the other band was getting set up. So to contrast that stuttering John in the back, nobody can touch him. Nobody can bother him. Leave him alone. That's in, I mean, it's not surprising, I guess, but you would think a younger stuttering John like that would be excited because nowadays he would love to be in a crowd of people that adored him and were interested to see him and talk to him.

He would buy him beers. Yeah, would buy him beers. He'd be very excited about that. And to think at that time he was in the green room, locked off from everyone else. And I understand that with like big acts. Right. I've definitely played, definitely open shows for bands that were big touring national touring bands and you don't have access to them when you're on the bill,

but it's stuttering John's band and you guys are the main support. Right. And so, well, you know, nowadays, obviously his star has waned only just a little bit. Sure. But you know, back then it was still the height of, you know, Howard Stern. So I'm sure his ego was extra inflated. So, you know, he just assumed that everybody was going to be there and love him and want to see him play and all this. As the club empties out, we figured people are going to, you know, are going to go outside, get some air, come back in as they're setting up. Well, they set up, they're about ready to go on, very few people come back in. More than most part, who's there in the club is

the bands, their girlfriends, some of their friends that are just hanging out and we're drinking. Other than that, it pretty much emptied out. This is typical of a show with all vocal bands. The headliner, quote unquote, has the worst attendance. No one wants to be the last band on the show. That is 100% correct. You want to go on at 10 p.m.

Yep. You want to be the middle act. Yeah, right in the pocket. Yep. Right. But you'd figure with St middle act. Yeah right in the pocket. Yeah, right But you'd figure with stuttering john there's some notoriety there. You'd figure people would stay Nobody cared because at that point again, he didn't bother coming in Everybody then realized nobody else from the howard stern show was there so i'm not interested in listening to stuttering john because he's a

side character anyway. So a lot of people didn't, not a lot of people came back in. His band went on. We're sitting there. We watched his band play. Wasn't good. How were they? Not good? No. What about the rest of the band outside of John? Were they any good? Well, yeah, the musicians were good, but you know, he's trying to be in between songs. He's trying to be hacky and do a little bits. Do you remember any of them? No. We watched concert footage from that time period I've seen John trying to do the shtick in between that's where stutter you piece of shit that famous card have dropped I'm sure you have it on the

board over there. And it's interesting because at that show, it's very much what King Bee is saying here, which is that even when he does draw people, they're not fans, they're spectators. Right. They're going to see what's going to happen. They might end up liking the music, but usually halfway through,

they just end up starting to heckle and create their own kind of fun. Right. Well, at this point, you know, and now it's getting late on in the night, and we're all tired, and we're waiting to get paid. Uh-oh.

I don't like where this is going. Hold on. They played for like, before you finish, they played for what, 40 minutes, an hour? Probably an hour, yeah. Did it get any thinner? Did it stay the way it was? Well, like I said, for the most part, it was the bands.

So we all had to stay and we didn't pay our girlfriends and some friends of ours, and the other bands that were drinking. Some left, maybe a couple of others, stragglers that were still outside came in. But for the most part, it was very, very thin. It's depressing. I've been there. Right. very very thin it's depressing I've been there right we've all played gigs where there's 12 people in a big kind of area that could hold 300 but there's

12 yeah that's kind of it's hard for the headliner to play a full set at that point that's what I look around at the guys I'm like let's cut this one let's cut that one there will be no encore and could you 12 spread out a little? And and back then for the most part the clubs had you kind of did the door deal So they'd ask who you're there to see and they would mark it down and you get like two bucks per head. Whatever was yeah And like I said, we drew the most so we're expecting Whatever was a couple hundred bucks. Yep So we're expecting whatever was a couple hundred bucks. Yep So we wait for the night they go off they tear down again Nobody's allowed to talk to him as soon as they were done stuttering John went back out in the back again

I mean, he's a guitarist. He doesn't even take care of his own amp and shit. No, he left. He was done He was he was gone and then tore down whatever roadies they had was tearing down But he was on Gorilla And The band tore down whatever roadies they had was tearing down. But he was gone. And so we're waiting, we're waiting, we're waiting. We go up to, you know, usually the promoter will come around and, you know, gather the band members and we go into the back room and he dibbies out the money. We're waiting.

We see him, he's not gathering anybody. So we go over to him and we're like, yo, what's up? You know, we're ready to get paid He's like, oh You guys aren't getting any money You said Why? He said oh, well John demanded the entire door Wow, like what the fuck? Yeah, that's First off he doesn't deserve it obviously. But, but secondly, like that's not that much

money that John that's going to make or break John's life. That's just a dick move at that point. Right. But he, and even like the, the, the the very the very first band that maybe drew four people Whatever it is get their couple of bucks got nothing Wow, so we went looking for John We went looking for John and he was gone By that time and we forced our way kind of into the back and he was gone. He hightailed it out of there That's actual audio that's actual audio of him leaving the The stink lines Open the door. It's just a so we have John

It was gone So as as I'm watching that episode that you guys did last week, I'm just sitting there getting angrier and angrier and I just I had to reach out and it was like how do I message Carl? I go on the website I was like I have to tell him this story just as a cathartic episode for me. Not even expecting to come on and tell the story, just to get it out and be like fuck him good here I'll have fun with the story. Do you feel we need to fight? One of the things I got so excited about you when you reached out

We want to find more people like you because we heard about this high school battle the bands I'm like who else graduate of this job. They could talk about this high school battle of the bands I want to know what actually happened here. You bring up a good point King B Tell us about the pyrotechnics and the guillotine and all the pigs blood. Can you just tell us what that was like? Was it as amazing as it sounds? I mean, let me tell you, it was non-existent. Well, at that point, you know, grunge and take it over Adam. You can't be a tryhard at a grunge band. Right. Right.

I've been to enough back in the day, you know, we played and we, we hung out about all the bands. Nobody did coffins and pigs. But in a high school gym, you weren't allowed to do any of that stuff. You didn't have stage lights. It's just like the regular lighting. Earlier in the day, they had a play of like the wizard of Oz. And then, you know, at night, a couple of metal bands go on and whatever stage lights they have, that's it.

Nobody's doing pyrotechnics in a school. Can we use this tree? Everything he's eat. I think I ended up the email with, with, with, uh, calling him a garbage human being. and that's exactly what he is In my mind, I'm surprised the promoter went along with that cuz now he's the one who has to like tell you guys And he's gonna reach out to you again for other shows He's gonna tell you like yeah John's taking all the money. Sorry

So it sounds like that night. He wasn't even gonna approach you at all. Well, right. I was trying to just avoid you Right, so there's a history with that promoter as well Yeah, I don't know if you want me to tell a real quick story and aside from that if you can make it quick Let's go very quick But we played a show in the city at Bond Street Cafe. And again, he stiffed us on money. So we found what Street Cafe? I'm sorry Bond Street Cafe. Oh, yeah What Street Cafe? I'm sorry Bond Street Cafe B.o.n.d. Oh, yeah Whatever reason he didn't want to pay us so we found where they stored the liquor and

Loaded up the back of our amps our bags in our jackets because it was winter and we got paid in Bond Street liquor Yeah, I'm sure you got more than you would have gotten in cash. Not sure in Bond Street Liquor. Yeah, I'm sure you got more than you would have gotten in cash, though. I'm sure. Excellent. We would have gotten like 50 bucks at that show. We easily bought a couple hundred bucks in liquor out of that place.

That's fantastic. You see, if this wasn't John, I would be blaming the promoter. I would. I've been John in this situation. I've been a guy with a band who's done some television and I show up and they're like, here's your green room, we're keeping you sequestered.

And you're like, I don't, I don't, this is stupid. I feel silly. Like, please don't do this. And they want to please and make a big deal. And it's completely on the promoter to decide who's getting paid what in advance. I can't imagine he would just say to you, oh, the headliner, unless two things. One, this story checks out to the dozen other stories that we've heard just like it.

And he probably did enough to piss off the promoter that he was just like, fuck it, I don't care what people think of this guy. Yeah, it's very possible. But like you said, Adam, he wasn't really looking to tell us in the first place. We had to go seek him out. Interesting.

And try to get paid. And that's when he told us John demanded all the door Anyone else who's had experiences with John if you were in the Stuttering John band perhaps or if you what do with high school? What's the battle of the bands? Please reach out? We want to hide this Paul Dooley. Please give us a car We want to hear these stories. Well, I have a big news I want to announce right now speaking of John's interview on primal scream Christian Blatt has reached out to him now of course, we know Shulie reached out to him and we wanted to get him on point dabble point and

Nick said no, I don't I don't need to be a part of that But Christian Blatt interviewed Nick Gray zone Wow, and that is premiering tonight on the Blatt cast So check that out at 9 p.m. Eastern, 6 p.m. Pacific, Blatcast YouTube channel, and I have a few clips here to wet our whistles for this interview. Now, Christian asked him about his knowledge of Howard Stern, because of course, the famous Whack Packer question,

which really threw John off. How could you, how dare you ask a question like that? So Christian's like, what do you what do you know about Howard Stern? The other person I wanted to meet was stuttering john. Okay, now let me the first question about that. Were you a big Stern fan? Obviously, you grew up in New York, I grew up in New York. So long before the rest of the country started to get turned on to this guy, we all knew who he was, you know, going back to when he was on afternoons on WNBC. Sorry, WNBC. WNBC. So you saw this?

So yeah, dude, definitely, man. Like I listened to the original show, you know, I was a fan of, you know, when he made the transition and everything and like, not a diehard fan, but definitely respect the guy for what he's done with radio and you know, he's just a great interviewer. So I think that answers your question. I don't think he knew a lot about power stir, but he's very excited to hang out with stuttering John because his buddy,

so Nick's body is the one who put on the Chiller Con event. And so we find out that he got to hang out in the same room as John for the whole weekend. And the way that the ride worked out was Chiller Con had to pay for John's transportation and accommodations. And so John said, well, I need a ride back to Long Island. And the Nick's buddy who set up the whole thing goes, Hey, you got to go back to Long Island. And the mixed buddy who set up the whole thing goes, hey, you've got to go back to Long Island

when you give John a ride. So that's why, and I'll give John credit for this, when he says Grillo bummed a ride, Grillo wasn't deserving of any transportation. He wasn't part of the event. So it actually kind of makes sense that. John, we owe you an apology. Yes.

Sorry about that. Yes, we do. But John did buy him some beer. So it actually kind of makes sense that John we owe you an apology Yes, we do but John did John might just want to provide his friend that came with him a ride home after he was helping him carry his boxes of unsold Merchandise back to the car what a fucking asshole Grillo is right? But so we did find out all about the ride and you know, you'll see it in the interview tonight, but Nick talks about how he just wanted to do an interview with John while they were driving in the car, but then they exchanged phone numbers. He decided to hit him up and see if he wanted to come on the podcast. And so John agreed and Christian asked him about this battle, the band story. He's like, were you buying any of this

when he was saying all this crazy shit about this battle the bands? And Nick's like, no, I didn't believe a second of it. And I thought it was an interesting comparison that he has here. I don't care, dude. It's like Nicky Six, dude. I never heard of a fucking heroin addict ever

keeping a diary, a very detailed diary of that on top of it. So like a lot of people say that his shit is bullshit, but you know what? I've already read three of his books about his diary and I'll, I'll continue to do so because I'm a fan. And if John wants to tell me these fucking ridiculous stories about stiff minister, I wanna hear it, man. What else you got? You know, like, good for you, brother.

Like, that's awesome. It's weird that he equates it to Nikki Sixx's book, because I've read that book. Yeah, the Hire One Diaries or whatever it's called. And it's fantastic. It's not very detailed. Nikki Sixx wrote like a sentence or two every day. So it's not like this long detailed thing

I'm like, so I I believe that that is real Nikki Six's diary But Nikki Six also died twice, right? Yes That's what's so funny that that that was what he came to and his head is just like all these rock stars make shit I was like, no, no, he was talking about having an Alice Cooper show and his high school battle the bands It's very different the Nikki six dating Prince's girlfriend of being afraid for his life Anyway, I thought that was an interesting comparison. What what South Park character is Nick Greystone look like right there It's definitely. Oh, it's definitely a cartoon. It's uh their adversary in the world of Warcraft.

The gamer guy gamer guy. Do you think he lives in that car? I think that car lives around him. There you go. He's wearing it. All right. So the question is about Shuli reaching out to Nick and why Nick didn't want to do a Shuli show. Furthermore, then I was hit up by surely to do his podcast, which in turn was going to be from what I learned from John rip fest into him because I didn't even know that so many people had a disliking for stuttering John obviously I don't get it like Julie has a fucking show with a couple of guys and all they do is criticize everything he's done like I feel like

There's fucking mass murderers that don't get this much attention, bro And like he must have really did some nasty shit for them to do that. So like, I didn't want to be a part of that. Oh, I think I realized what's going on here. This guy's been bullied a lot. He's never been on the other side of it where we're just like, ah, now we're just some, uh, good natured ribbing over here. Just letting people know that they're kind of silly.

He's like, I mean, why are you focusing, this is like Sutter and John's arguing about, like, George Clooney's more famous than me, why aren't you guys paying attention to him? Like, no, no, no, you don't understand, you're uniquely mockable. That's why we deal with like, serial killers are interesting, I do a show about them, called The Creep Off,

but they're not mockable. He's also the drinking buddy of the guy that runs Chillercon that was told, yeah man, you can hang out in the green room with the celebrities, do your thing. I might ask you to, you know, run some favors for me. And from all the people there, he had access to and made a connection with Stuttering John, which is what he wanted. He wanted to do something with a celebrity and have it help his podcast. So he does it. He wins.

He becomes John's best friend. And now everyone's telling him, this is some bullshit and you got to stay away from that guy. And he's like, come on. He's a great guy. This is a one more clip, a little bit more on a Shulie agar and the crew. Yeah. I just, you know what, man?

Like I felt like he came at me. Like it was nice and everything, but I felt like I was also putting myself up on the chopping block because it was buddy buddy. But then I go on there and I started seeing some of the comments people were saying about me. So then I'm like, all right, now I'm going to go on there and these people are going to fucking massacre me as well as John if I go on to the show.

And it's just a no-win situation at that point and I Know my guitarist always says this is trolls on the internet don't engage with them But I fucking can't help it like I have to you know what that means guys. We got a bully this guy Getting of course Nick seems like a very nice guy. He doesn't want to get involved with the devil, whereas I understand. But that's kind of heartbreaking,

because he doesn't see, he has no self-respect, and he has no idea that what John did to him in that interview was a great example of the things people don't like about him. And if he looked back and watched it, I think he might see that and understand where everyone's coming from. I mean, it do have to ease, and it takes a minute. He might have to watch the sheet shitter and documentary first, but yes, I think he might see that and understand where everyone's coming from. I mean it do have to ease in it takes a minute might to watch the sheet

shitter's and documentary first but yes I think he would I think you will get it eventually. Joe Corson-Roy says looks like King Bee turned on me. Very fun super chat there. All right King Bee I'll let you go thank you so much for coming on the show. I know you jumped out of work early to be on here with us. I appreciate that. One more time, tell us about the show you do and where people can find that. Yeah, it's the Mike Jolich show. We record every Friday. You can get it on YouTube, youtube.com slash at MTR underscore networks. And again again it's like a five to ten minute really

quick hitter funny news tidbits do a little twitter stuff so check it out and if you like subscribe to the channel please and carl again thanks for having me on i really appreciate it this was a lot of fun thanks for reaching out out, King B. Great talk to you. I hope more people follow in your footsteps and reach out to us about this. That would be great. Awesome. Thanks, man. Thanks. The great King B, everybody.

All right, Adam, you've been making the rounds lately and you went on a show called Conspire a Theory podcast. Now Conspire a Theory podcast is hosted by a guy who I thought was my buddy but I guess I learned something from this. This guy goes by Skinny Chad Zumock. He's at Conspire a Theory. Artist. We have some art of his up on the wall. Very talented artist. Frosted tips over here and the one that he contracted with Cardiff's kids behind me we still have to put up on the wall. And so I've met him a few times.

We've been to different events, especially DabbleCons. He's come into Rochester and hung out. And so you went on his show and I know he wants me on his show and I have to get back to him to get that set up. Or do I? I don't know. After we see these clips.

What were your dealings with him like? When you spoke to him you said, what was that like? How did he seem? He seemed fine. He's a fan. I remember he was a skinny, blind Mike and I took my photo with him. He was skinny, Suthering John, right? The first one. Then he was skinny, Chad Zumach. He won the Suthering John impression contest, I think, the first DabbleCon. So he very much, you know, he dresses up for these things. He gets into it. He's a participant.

And so he DMs me and stuff. And I'm terrible with DM, as I've mentioned many times, but I just assume that he's a big fan of the dabble verse and WTP and stuff. What was your impression, Adam? What was your impression, Adam? I don't know. I was surprised to see that he sees himself as what he calls the hatchet man. He's the tough Simon Cowell ready to deliver the bad news and to have the strong opinions and not care who he takes down, which was just such the opposite of his delivery and demeanor. I had a hard time coming to terms with both of those things

as one. But he did have one thing in common with every podcast that I've been doing recently. They all do two things. They explain to me how much hard work goes into making this podcast, especially the research they've done on me, how much they've done. And then they always open

with the exact same question, this one. Hello and welcome to another exciting episode of Conspire Theory I have with me, Adam Bush from the Dabbleverse. And we're gonna be dabbling it up a bit. Welcome to the show. Tell me a little bit about yourself before we get running. Welcome to the show. Tell me a little bit about yourself before we get running

This is this is the you know, the 20-year high school reunion you haven't seen this guy since you graduated What do you been up to? I don't know man. What do you been up to? And it's it's just a lot of work you're just like, you know here do the show for me, right? Yeah That that's a rough way to start It is because you could have done no research and asked the same question exactly correct and This is this next clip is something that is probably just unique to me and it does happen a little bit I think people saw it happening in

to me and it does happen a little bit. I think people saw it happening in Hacomania. It's just a way of dealing with fandom that I've never quite understood. That era had so many iconic shows. I was never into Buffy the Vampire Slayer. However, I had friends that were into it and I would hear about it through them. Okay, you don't need to say that. You don't need to tell me that you're not a fan of the show. You can just not mention it. It's okay. I had to pat myself on the back because I'm also not a Buffy the Vampire Slayer fan, but what I said to Adam was, can I have Alison Hannigan's phone number? Which is a better question. It might be worse. It might actually be worse. This might actually be worse. What? What just happened?

I think it is. Oh, shit. My bad. I've never ever in my life walked up to someone and said, hey, were you on the West Wing? Yeah, I was. Never saw it. Never saw it. But you know, I know it's popular.

I know other people have seen it. But I've heard of it. And I know he means it with a good heart. But it's just an odd thing to say, I think. So with all the research he's done, the question he asked me about Buffy is about the Buffy comic books here there. You know, ad book or go through a wizard magazine or a star log without seeing some article dedicated to Buffy the vampire slayer. So it's just another extension of the work that you were involved

in with just showing how wide reaching it is out there. So, oh, and I... Is there anything else that you'd like to comment on, Buffy Wise, before we move on? What a great question. You get nothing! But Adam, I mean obviously you get residual checks from those comic books right because your character was in them and... No, no I don't. I have nothing to do with them at all. And by the way that concludes the Buffy portion of this interview. We can move God. All right, we can move on. It would have been way better if it was just like, I never watch Buffy, don't care about it. Anyway, so I saw you on WTP.

That would be the best. That I would respect. I got friends who watched it. I got friends who watched it. Yeah. I mean, Jubra who fights vampires, that's much funnier than anything else. At least that shows an awareness or an opinion. This know, this next clip he just talks about, you know, podcasting and what that's like for him. Okay. Well, one of the things is that when it comes to podcasting, my podcast in particular, I am my own best customer. So I'll produce something that I enjoy watching. I mean, mostly if it's me just looking at my screen saying, hey look, I'm talking to someone interesting. That's enough. And hopefully that it's enough that other people

can enjoy it as well. I would say no, no, that is not enough. You don't think that's enough just to impress yourself? Yeah, to say, hey look at me, I'm talking to this person, that would be wasting that person's time and yours, I think. Sometimes I look in the mirror and I just like talk to myself and I go Should other people be here? witnessing this Film that and release it as a podcast. All right, we do that only a patreon though. That's not a freebie one Because the problem is Podcasts is like stand-up. It's it's something you can't get better at without an audience You know, so you have to have someone there if interviewing is what you want to do

And is this an interview show is this what this the format is because I'm not I apologize podcast. I'm not familiar Sometimes he interviews sometimes he just talks about things that he likes, but he does have guests on okay And he does I cut a lot of it But he does talk very much about all the preparation that went into this Specific interview I think like right here not to take away the hard work. I mean, we're not all goofing off 24-7 It is a lot of hard work What are what are some examples of the hard work that went into this podcast that we're doing right now? I would say learning what program works best for me, learning how to record.

That's the first thing is learning how to record episodes myself. Well, that's the first stuff. I'm talking about this interview. You said you do a lot to make the guests comfortable. You do a lot of research. You do a lot of prep to make it sound good. I was curious. Examples of that for this particular episode, said you do a lot to make the guests comfortable, you do a lot of research, you do a lot of prep to make it sound good. I was curious, examples of that for this particular episode, if you have any. I put a hat on. Well, like I looked up your IMDB. There are some things that I have a series of notes here that have a bunch of stuff written

down that we'll probably get to eventually. But I have done some research. There's some things that, topics that I would like to talk to you about further, and general observations and other fun things. It's basically having a plan as far as what it is that you want to do and where we're going to go with this.

And I know that it's sort of odd that from your end as a guest, you don't see what's behind the curtain. You're right. I don't see it at all. I don't see any of that. Patrick Michael level complaining about all the work that goes into it. I started doing this show. I don't want to edit it anymore.

It's so much work. Just like, all right, man, no one's forcing you to do this stuff. This show is going gonna be 93 minutes long Oh, yeah, the IMDB like just going through and just writing down whatever facts he has and It I it cut it there, but he goes right into talking about all the other obligations He has and the the books he wants to write and the things he spinning a lot of plates He said so it's tough for him to just focus on this elective project, you know alone That's the problem with my hobbies too. I just you know, I can't devote any time to them

I ask him about his namesake. I ask him what he thinks about Chad Zumok, right? Are you a fan of Chad Zumok? Do you watch his show? Not really. It was just a quick gimmick that I could put together that I did. I mean, as far as now with him, you know, Chad versus KB, of course, yeah, naturally, I'm going to say, yeah, go Chad. When he does a good thing here and there, yeah, I have no problem cheering him on. I'd love to get on a show sometime and talking You know trash Carl and stuff like that But what just happened? Yeah. Yeah Notice that all his feelings about people are about whether they've had him on their shows or not. Yeah, that's interesting

That's the defining characteristic of all of these enemies. I will give him credit At least he's coming to Chad with a topic. You know, he's just like, hey, Chad, hit me on your show. He's just like, hit me on your show. I'd love to trash Carl. Like that is a good way to get on to Chad's Dumaq show right there. It's like, yeah, we'll get you some mileage in the dabble verse. You can get a couple of bookings.

It's a good move right there. Well, I hope he gets I hope he gets that spot. That's important. Since he's the hatchet man and he's the killer, he starts to turn it on me. And he explains to me why I Just don't work on W ATP. Oh good enough Chris get the notepad out. I want to see what this get some reasons here And you keep turning on the conversation to me to ask and get to know me

Which I of course fall into because you know Maybe I'm vain. But aside from that, I would liken you, because I've had criticisms of you as well. At first I felt that you were sort of overstaying your welcome. And then I think it was one episode in particular where Carl was doing the h3 analysis and then he just threw the ball to you and I'm like Oh, okay This segment feels like you're just you're just you know bearing the weight to carry a segment because the h3 stuff It's I get it. It's content, but I do not care

It doesn't it doesn't it's not it's not stuff that I'm interested in. That's very interesting right there. He goes, well, you know, I don't like you on WTP and I didn't know why you were there until I realized that you're there to talk about shit that I don't care about, which H3, if you're into internet lore and drama is been the most interesting story. We've covered it a little bit. We could have covered it a lot more him and Hassan piker and all the other shit with i-dubs Everything's been going on with that whole clan has been Kind of the most important stuff going on in that internet world for the last two months or so

And we've barely covered it but once or twice most yeah, it's skinny Yeah, just like yeah, I don't know why you guys are covering h3 Because at one point I go, Adam, what do you think about this H3 character, Ethan Klein, I guess you had an opinion on it, and he's just like, oh no, Adam's talking about a two, I don't even care about this. Right?

That's my interpretation of that answer. I really don't know. I don't know what he meant by that. That's the best case scenario, is that I just weighed in on a topic he didn't wanna see. I think that's what he was explaining right there.'s also a criticism of our show obviously because we were covering something that he didn't care about. And then it's on me to make people care about things. You might notice Chad makes fun of me for setting things up. I try to give you a reason to care about shit that I'm going to talk about that Karmic X I worked extra hard. There's a payoff. I swear to God, I paid that to Kermit. Speaking of Kermit X, and I'm just gonna get off

on the side real quick, don't normally do this, but I'll forget if I don't say it now. Kermit X is now set up on the SuperTip system. You can get it, you can support us on SuperTip.gg-WATP. He got that set up faster than anyone else ever. In less than a day He was up and running had it all figured out nice set up with his stripe account and working on his OBS and was was using that on his show and I I was like wow

I thought this guy was just like a drunk fuck-up. Who's just blowing lines and drinking whiskey But not only did he do that. He's also not drinking anymore So I've lost all interest in this guy okay but you guys tell me he was interesting again because I he's like streaming all the time I've tuned in a few times I it's like ah damn it he was funny when he was wasted but I hear he's going back to finance oh yeah nice now that he's sober he'll be like what the fuck have I been doing I'm not a talking to Kevin Brennan what have I done he's sober he'll be like, what the fuck have I been doing? I'm not a podcaster. Right, yeah exactly. I'm talking to Kevin Brennan, what have I done? He's like, I was complaining about the corporate world, what the fuck is wrong with me?

They were paying me. Alright, this next clip, and it's a longer clip, but you asked me to go ahead and speed it up a little bit. I listen to all this stuff at a much higher speed, so I do feel bad when we watch it slow. But this is, I pushed back a little bit because I didn't understand his criticisms of me. So I asked him for some clarification. And he's off and running. All right, so I did speed this up. Where Phil Aramore was in the scene, he broke down the

dabble verse for the general audience for regular people. And I love to show because I love the character of John, and for his behaviors and stuff. And in a sense, he sort of represents, I don't know if it's called either the id or the super ego, but I see in John the worst parts of myself. And that's why I feel like it's a sort of human despisement that he sort of, that's what in some sense,

that he represents when he makes those decisions. And it's like, I'll give you an example. One time John was complaining about how he had his kids over and they wanted to go watch a movie. And he's like, oh, I got it. I don't want to do it because I have to take a shower because I stink. And then me being someone who, you know, I mean, if I go a day without taking a shower, I'm like, Oh God, I feel horrible. You know, and it just takes 15 minutes to

take a shower and then the kids, they get to have a blast. You know, it's that potential, that lost potential for, you know, missing out on life that I see there that keeps me coming back. And I feel that what you do sometimes is you do help break down the stuff for the rest of us. And I felt that I feel that Phil Elmore was unjustly, I guess, expelled from the double verse. And a lot of the surrounding characters just did not like him because he didn't have, he wasn't a fan of Stern. And I guess he just didn't have the chops

that they felt that he did. And I felt that he was unfairly treated that way. So I have a lot of empathy for him in that sense. And with that, from what I've observed for me, it was that you do a lot of, you can't break this down for general stuff. I don't know if it's just the way that you generally analyze stuff.

And it makes it palatable for me, you know, because I don't, I knew of Stern through watching Entertainment Tonight and his antics to that. That was my only window. I had no idea who Stuttering John was. I was introduced to him through Carl and then, you know, I later learned that he was a thing. I guess he must have always been a thing. Uh oh. No, I'm here. Was that a question? What was the question? Is Stuttering John a thing? I guess we had a little hiccup there. Sorry.

No, no, no. I'm with you. I didn't understand what the question was. Was Stuttering John a thing? I wasn't. I was just making a statement. I wasn't asking a question. Okay.

Do you have a question? Yeah, I have a question. Okay. Do you have a question? Yeah, I have a question. Yeah, I understand as I said as I previously established. Now, I have to tell you, Adam, you're brilliant at this and I need to be better. I need to do more. Excuse me. I need to do more shows. But what you do better than anyone is you are so comfortable in silence.

You have no problem with that at all. And most people are not. And you can just ramble for 3 and 1 half minutes. And when you stop talking, the other person will pick right up. Because I'm listening to him. I'm listening. I'm giving him my full attention. I asked him a question he didn't answer.

I'm following his points. He said he wanted this to be a conversation. And anytime I ask him a question, he seems very put upon, like I'm being, how dare I? And then he just won't answer any of mine. So at some point in this next clip, I start to wonder what I'm doing there. But before I play that clip, I just want to point out, it sounded like at first he was saying he didn't like you on WTP. But now it sounds like he's saying you're actually bringing in an interesting voice

Like phil o'more did a year or two ago That is like an outsider coming in and interpreting this from an outsider perspective. Yeah, so I guess he likes, you know I don't know. Okay. Yeah, I can't tell you that it sounds Like he had adam on to air his grievances about the dabble verse Well, I think that's a very good conclusion, as we're going to see. But yes, this next clip is fantastic. But I just want to have you know that any of my grievances for Carl are reserved for Carl that I will discuss with Carl.

I have no animosity towards you. This is not a hostile environment for you. No, I don't think any obligation to... This is not a hostile environment for you. No, I don't think it's hostile environment. I think you have a lot of things that you wanted to say at me or near me or to me, but they're not questions. They're just kind of opinions you wanted me to know that you have, and I know that you have them, and I agree with almost all of them. I just don't know what I'm supposed to do with them. Do you need me here?

Or is it just because you could have just sent me a video of you telling me these things. No, I wanted a conversation because I like talking to you. Yeah. It's so fantastic. Should I go now? Okay. I don't know. You've got to keep talking at me we can do that I Did you see how Caleb? Probably started maybe a little bit like this and then by however many episodes he's just like We got to watch anim a year from now. on podcasts compared to this and see how that works out

So I'm starting to think his issues really aren't with me. Perhaps they have to do with you. So I asked him about that I've reached out to Carl you have have you Sometimes stuff is just fun, you know? What is he doing there with the mouse? Nope. Okay. Have you heard of the hamburger pan saga? No.

Okay. It's a long story, but I'll... This is the time that... But it perfectly encapsulates what frustrates me about Carl. And it's really not... Does the story involve Carl? Yes. Okay. It directly involves him. It's pretty much... it concludes... you know, it's why... it illustrates why I have to destroy Carl. And it's not that... you know, and in the story, you'll see that I probably in a sense already have. And you know, you destroyed him? Absolutely.

Oh, is he still with us? Boston's cancelled everyone. Refund will be what what just happened. I don't know he has to destroy me, and he probably already has But you see I'm committed. I'm here. I've watched a few episodes. I've blocked out this time I'm focused on him. I have no distractions, and I'm not I'm not understanding. What's happening I Have to I need you to understand what's happening. I don't think what's happening. I have to consider the fact that he might be real. He's talking about taking people down and I don't see the joke outside of the hat so maybe he's not kidding. I don't know. Can you explain this pants story for us. Yeah, what is the reason? This clip I did speed up a little bit as well. Good. I had gifted Carl a pair of novelty hamburger print pants. I sent them to him and he said, and I asked,

yeah, hey Carl, you gonna put these on? And he's like, I'll get to it. I'll get to it. Lasted about almost a year. And I would nail it. I would get on his case and during that time I would just grow more and more frustrated and then it's like it's because he would say he'd get to it He wouldn't say no

But he would see would fill me with what I felt at the time was this false hope I felt like I was being let on, you know, so so of course naturally I escalated I had to I had to to You know, but this is probably what makes me, I would argue, Carl's most dangerous adversary. And I had to escalate. So what I did is, you know, when I got tired of doing super chats, you know, basically begging him to put on the hamburger pants, because I'm obviously a visual, the visual joke is how I express myself through visual humor, the psych gag. So Carl in the hamburger pants, that would be an expression of that, the ultimate expression of that, because his name is Carl Hamburger. So the funniest thing in the world would be for him to wear hamburger pants. Who's it funny for for him? Yeah for me

These pants were so their elastic waistband like cheap pajama pants double XL. Yeah, they're Gynormous, they don't fit me even clever for you I Didn't ask for them. I never ask anyone for pants. If you listen to the intro of the show, I say we have a PO box, send drugs, send Lucy type box

dildos. We go through the list of things we enjoy here. It's never pants. And then. You know when. Sorry. Well, I guess I'll explain it to him. I don't. Yeah. We won't go through the whole explanation here. I gotta go on his show and talk to him about this, but apparently I was obligated to put on these pants that make me look ridiculous. And then he was mad because I didn't do it

in a timely manner. That's right. And you know, there's a, I think there's a name for men who send internet celebrities articles of clothing that they really want to see them wear. Oh. And that get very very offended when those subjects don't wear what they sent them. What is that? I don't know the name for that. What is it? They're internet predators. They prey on women and they prey on internet stars

and this is a pseudo sexual dominating thing that they need to see I do feel bad when someone sends me something that they need something for me to do You know what I mean? Now take it off Just like I mean I appreciate it hunter Duke gave me you know that really cool Hawaiian shirt This is who are these podcasts on it with the logos and I wear that it says kick me on the back He didn't know oops But yeah, I mean those aren't pants that I would have picked out or wanted to wear and so, you know

No, we see those girls on the Instagram. They're like, thank you so much for the you know, whatever it was I'm wearing it right now. Like that's a not necessarily the most healthy relationship. No, I believe Parasocial is the word. That's the word That's the word and I would use for this and I think that is demonstrated You know very clearly in this next clip when I ask adult to adult What can Carl do to make things right? Yes, so I don't get destroyed. Just out of curiosity, not that he's going to or that you would even welcome it, what could he do to make it up to you? That would change everything and make you go, you know what?

That guy's all right. Well, I asked him to come on my show, just so we could talk about stuff, as you have. And as far as him making things right, who knows? I mean, because it's like I do enjoy being an antagonist. So nothing, and it's really just about you. Yeah. Am I having fun? And it's really just about you Am I having fun You're asking me if you're having fun

Is he antagonizing I Guess he's my arch nemesis and there's nothing I could do about it. Nope, you know if someone would have asked Duke from GI Joe like hey, how do we like become friends with Cobra? I guess the answer would be like, I don't think that's possible. Cobra is the bad guys. We're the good guys. There's a good chance it's all a bit. He's just taking the piss. So I try and go down that road with him. I feel that he has to answer for. And as much as you can speak, that's, that's, it's, I appreciate it, but unfortunately, it's not your place to do so. So then why did you tell me about it and ask my opinion on it?

Because it was fun. Oh, I see. So when other people do things, it's to antagonize and personally hurt you. And when you do it, it's fun. Oh, so when other people do things, it's to antagonize and personally hurt you. And when you do it, it's fun. Maybe he thought it was fun to not wear the pants. As much as you thought it was fun for him to wear them. Maybe he just didn't want to wear clothes sent by a fan because he felt like that sets a really creepy precedent. Sets a really creepy precedent And then when I finally did take a photo where the fucking pants all over the goddamn internet Thanks dick took a year, but oh God you really you really know how to ask the right questions that these people do not know how to answer. It's amazing.

No, but they're so comfortable accusing everyone of just everything. And it really is like, if I can't control you, I have no use for you. Here he, in this next clip he talks about- I've done so much to this guy apparently. It's amazing because I've spent zero effort into doing anything to this gentleman.

Put zero effort- That's how good you are at it. Yeah. And I know people are gonna say, you know, Zero effort into doing anything to this gentleman. That's how good you are at it And I know people are gonna say, you know, or he might say these are isolated clips This is not the full thing. The full thing is up there. I encourage everyone Go check it out. Go give him some numbers watch the full interview I try at length three separate times to explain stories in my life where I had interactions with fans that felt a little misguided or delusional and nothing would land. Nothing registered with him.

So this next clip is called Taking No for an Answer. You know, it's sometimes I feel like as much as I try, I do try to feel a role in the stable verse. The role of the hatchet of the killer of the... Perhaps that could be it because it's what I'm most naturally prone to. So why isn't Carl allowed to have his natural reaction to things? Why is it only you that gets to decide what's funny and what's real and what hurts people's feelings and where that line at any time he could have said no. Well, I think you did. Yeah. And it hurt your feelings. It just seems like you didn't accept it. Kind of trailed off there, skinny. Shit.

I love people who give me obligations. You know, as if I'm looking for more obligations in my life. Guys, please send me things with instructions on how I'm supposed to use them. And when I have to repay you for it. I don't like when I get a gift I have to assemble. Right, like what the fuck? Yeah, exactly. But he explains it's not just him, Tom Myers is also a victim of this dabble verse. Oh, that's true. I've been following a lot of Tom Myers and I do feel like he's a victim of the dabble verse that he doesn't really like deserve to be here, but he is here.

And that's something I'll talk to Carl if he agrees to appear on the show. You see again, again, you expressing anything other than hate for someone has requirements on that person that they don't even know about. Uh huh. I'm rubber, you're glue. I'm rubber, you're glue. I kind of want to say it's not hate, it's animosity, but I guess I can understand, I guess. So then, then I guess is that the point that I should, I guess the conclusion that I guess, what was your, your, what is your goal?

In five years? Yeah, right. Where do you see yourself? I don't know if he, I mean he definitely didn't answer the question. I don't know if he processed it at all. No, he tried. You saw that for a while, the gears were turning there. But for those who just listen, it's really worth watching him

sit there in silence for that long watching somebody think that hard. It's I find it fascinating. And this was an hour and a half this interview that you did on Conspire a Theory podcast. Go check it out. Go watch the full video. Leave comments. It's like it's the only way to get it done. Start talking to Caleb. She's like, Oh, I wasn't prepared for that. Yeah, right Oh, I didn't know you're gonna throw this stuff that I said back in my face. Oh, you didn't know how to feel

That's what we're doing on this show But I don't take the same tact I answer all of his questions and he asked me what is my goal and I tell him what I think I can do All right, that's interesting that he's he thinks Tom Myers is a victim and doesn't deserve to be here. I don't know if you elaborated on that at all. Does he know that? No. No?

Okay. There's two. I dropped the ball. Anybody who sees the interview, I dropped the ball in two ways. I didn't pick up on the Tom Myers stuff and you're going to hate me for this one. He mentions twice being a brony and I do not follow up on that. Okay, that's unforgivable I got it. I don't think so. That's fine. Really don't beat yourself. Don't beat yourself up for that I'm not worried. I mean, I'll feel too bad, but that's a wasted opportunity

I want to know more about that brony relationship well actually know that works out well because now I have something to talk to him about aside from how he's destroyed me and How the what was he called the saga of the pants the pants you know about the hamburger pants saga right yeah just like the way he was surprised that I didn't like oh yeah the pants yeah that's Carl's always talking about that all right last last clip here there was no goal coming in here other than I'm going to receive what you're giving to me and respond in kind. And what we found is that so far most people do not care for that. It's supposed to be a one-way thing where

you receive and you take it. And that is the only relationship that the host is comfortable in and they maybe believe or are simply lying that they have questions they want answered and there's no questions they want answered. There's statements that they want validated and if I'm not willing to do that, there's really nowhere else to go. Yeah, I agree. Wow. Yeah, I agree. Wow. I agree.

Okay. I guess we'll just go ahead and wrap it up here then. There you go. What was your goal for this? I don't know, man. You're the one that asked me to come on the show and I thought you'd have some questions for me. We have a conversation.

The most eloquent way to say let's cut to the chase here. Yeah. And I left, you know, quickly after that because he made it clear we were done. Yep. And he seemed shocked when I left and made a lot of comments that I ran off before he could give my plugs. Chad, that video's been up there for seven days. It has 50 views. Uh-oh.

About four of them are us. I'm good with the plugs, man. Thank you. I'm good. Well, we'll get some more views for you over there, Adam. You promoted your appearance. That's not normally how that works, but you know. No, but it was an obligation.

And I think Chad has a good heart and I appreciate what he's doing. Just don't waste people's time. You know, go back to talking about The Last of Us and your games and people. I'll talk about The Last of us and your games and I'll take a last of us with them if I go out there New season and the brownies. Yes. All right good now I have some things to talk about so we can get the pants thing out of the way quick I have a conversation about real stuff guys stuff Adam thank you for you're continuing on this track of going on shows. I know you're on hues II show

You've been busy since you got back from Vegas. Holy shit. Yeah. You've been making the rounds. I saw you on with Shuey last night. Of course you came out with us yesterday. You're doing everyone's shows right now. It's amazing.

It's great to see. Well, we review podcasts. People seem to have a lot of preconceived notions because you've been doing this for so long. And I want people to know that my opinions are my own they're not swayed by anybody and I'm not just going by the clips that I hate I hate that about you I know you did stick to the script asshole right this is the agree with Carl show you didn't get the fucking memo on that what's your problem oh it's really great because um

because I did call him about you know I called out some of the lack of prep. He posted a picture of him with his notes and a bush beer. That'll show you. He had notes. You know, somebody came to Hackamania with a DVD of this movie I had done called All American Orgy. I saw that. Yeah. And I just couldn't believe he had this unknown film.

And we took pictures and we talked and we laughed and I signed it. We called his friends like I was so excited. I called the director of the film to tell him, you're never going to believe with this guy. If you're genuinely interested in any of these topics, I would love to talk to you about it. But you were on Buffy. Go. Yeah, not so much. Yeah. Also, I'm not a big fan of Buffy. Yes. Yeah, that's not a good way to lead it

Are we still have steel tow we still have opie radio to get to we're doing the steel tows Roast video that he created just for hackamania big big surprise That they unveiled during biggest problem the universe. I want to go through that with you guys and opie still We played a bit of opie biggest problem in the universe. I want to go through that with you guys and OPI still... We played a bit of OPI where he's just walking through Central Park and yelling at Asian people. Yes. I want to talk about our favorite Beggy monster. Please guys, Streamlabs, PayPal, Superchats, Rumble Rants, Venmo. Maybe, you know what, maybe we don't deserve it.

So I came on, biggest problem in the universe when we were at Hackamania, Friday night of the event, and I came on to give my biggest problem, which was cry-bullies, because Vito Giswoldi has been antagonizing a couple of friends of the show, and then made it everyone else's problem that they were threatening him with things and This continued on throughout the entire weekend by the way with veto and then Tony from hack the movies reached out He's like you should see the text thread for from him that I got over the weekend while you guys were in hack-a-mania

I feel like I was there too so veto did a thing He goes Carl stay up on stage after I presented my problem. Stay up here, I want to show you something. He had reached out to one Aaron Imholt, who of course, this was a big event for Steel Toe because we had this little piggy with Nick Ricada and Paul Shea both on the show and revealing some information that was pretty wild. Pretty depressing actually, but also hilarious when you realize

that Aaron's just a piece of shit and disturbs all of this. But we were not ready for this. Here comes Aaron up on the big screen, ready to roast us all. And this is what he sent in. Have you seen this yet, Adam? No, I don't think I have. All right, this'll be exciting.

No, I don't think I have. All right. This'll be exciting. I guess this is his old intro. Or maybe it's his new intro. I don't know. Oh my God. Hey! Hi Hackamania! How you guys do it? Go ahead. No, I'll let you finish. Go ahead. All right, so right out of the gate he's just like, wow, this is a big surprise. Everyone's gonna get a big pop. Everyone's gonna be going nuts for this I don't know what reaction is expecting to have happen here but it is smart to give this some space and

You know what let people yell things out or whatever before you start your hilarious roast that I heard women were just ripping their shirts off Oh, I know No, that wasn't that wasn't the case at all. Although Mary Beth what if she would have won the fucking butter eating contest? You gotta let it go. I won't That wasn't the case at all. Although Mary Beth would have, she would have wanted the fucking butter eating contest. You gotta let it go. I won't. I can't. You know, I have to say,

if anyone else would have asked me to be here, I wouldn't have done it, but it turns out that Vito and I are both part of the same file sharing group, and he threatened to expose me. So here I am. I hope you got- Very little self-deprecating humor to start off very good. We're off to a good start here Eyes are having a great time. I bet you I'm the last guy you expected to see

We actually saw a lot of you this weekend a little too much. I Mean what an event you guys are in Las Vegas pretending that you go outside often. I love it. Who's all out there? I think Patrick's got to be there, right? Patrick Melton. You know, I brought a gift. I brought a gift for everybody there and I brought a gift for Patrick Melton.

Would you guys like to see the gift that I brought for Patrick? I brought family pictures that nobody has seen before today. Now the way he's acting this out and I understand it's a tough spot to be like, this is going to be played in front of the live audience. And so this is how he's practicing this in front of the mirror for the roast where he's just like, I hold for applause. All right. People are going to be kind of all right. all right guys. I know it's crazy. What you're about to see right here. Oh He's doing the whole thing. He's always in broadcaster mode, but this is somehow more obnoxious than usual I Brought family pictures that nobody has seen before today.

Now, I didn't ask Patrick for permission before I did this, but I wanted it to be a surprise. Vito didn't tell anybody either. I have family photos. You know what? Let's just take a look at them. The first one I have is of Patrick Melton's wife. The love of his life. You know, a lot of people call Patrick terrible names, morbidly obese, dead before 50.

Is that a name, dead before 50? I don't know what he's talking about. A lot of people call him names, morbidly obese, dead before 50. It's not well written so far, but all right. I'll give him a, you know, he's building up to something. A love of his life. You know, a lot of people call Patrick terrible names, morbidly obese, dead before 50, pedophile. I'm not saying they're untrue. I'm just saying people say

that, but there's another side to Patrick, and that other side is his family, and it starts with his beautiful wife. Can we just put the picture up there of Patrick's wife please? There she is! Oh! Goo goo gaga indeed! That's... So, a lot of people didn't get this joke. I did, because I know what Aaron's angle is here. But I think it was like Dick Batchelor was just like, is that a baby picture of Melton's wife? Right. It's like, no, no, no.

The joke is that he's a PDF file. So he would marry a baby because that's what PDF files do. They marry babies. It is a good look of baby. I mean, come on. It's fine. It's fine. I'm feeling violent

Like i'm starting to wonder if anybody's ever punched him in the face and I feel like it hasn't happened and it needs to Do you get there's a video of his boxing matches point is he get punched in the face? Oh good doesn't get out of the first round So if you want to watch him get punched and after this video you might want to We could pull that up. Oh But he's been saying this for quite some time. He's been accusing Patrick of being a guy who's into children or kid diddle or whatever, which is a very serious accusation to make. So is this like fun, jokey

things to call someone a pedophile? Or is it like a serious accusation that you're letting people know like, oh no, this is a scumbag that no one should be associating with because this makes it seem like he's having a little bit too much fun with an accusation like that and when you actually start providing him with pictures of kids That he knows What are you doing? What if you're right? Then what are you doing? Have you not learned anything from sending pictures over the internet? Just stop. Well, you're assuming he knows who this kid is or someone knows who this kid is? I think it's just a random baby. But he's

implying that. Do you know what I mean? I don't. What do you mean? You said he's implying that this is his wife when she was younger? See, okay, you're not getting the joke either. Okay, I'm not. He's saying this is a current photo of Melton's wife. That's how bad this joke is. Yeah, okay. Okay great now. It's even worse Much worse you're accusing him of being that and then you're sending him exactly what he wants But but this is what this is why it doesn't work Because it's like this serious thing because these guys like have this animosity and it's like, you know, oh well I have proof that he's a PDF file we've all this evidence and all this stuff and it's like the first joke out of the

gate is like he married a toddler. Yeah. Typical Aaron, nothing works. I even tried to explain it to you and you still didn't understand because Nick did the same thing he's just like I don't get it is that his wife or what are we what are we doing here? There's also certain topics that just don't lend themselves immediately to humor when it's gonna be like your first bit. Like, there's a way to talk about dead dogs. I guess that's funny. But even me just saying it now is a real bummer. Yeah, probably not. You don't want to lead with that. Why would you? It just like breaks my heart automatically.

I don't need any context. But this guy, he's the expert. He's gonna show us how it's done He also fucked up comedically there because he did the rule of threes People call you a lot of names like morbidly obese dead before 50 and pedophile So he's already like established that and then puts this joke, which is the same joke Or did he need to explain that he's a PDF file and then show it in order for it to work? Maybe that's what he thought. Either way, he bogs it down with a lot of words,

which you know is the key to a good joke. The setup took a long time to get there, but let's see what else he's got. Goo goo gaga indeed. That's, look, I don't wanna keep her up there for too long. Everybody's got a right to privacy. Plus, I have more. Let's take a look at this one, shall we?

I have a never-before-seen photo of Patrick Melton and his father. That's right, Patrick Melton and his dad. Would you guys like to see it? I bet you would. I bet you would. Put it up there. Patrick Melton and his dad. Would you guys like to see it? I bet you would. I bet you would. Put it up there. Patrick Melton and his dad together. Aww. He doesn't know how to deliver these jokes. Would you guys like to see that? I bet you would. It's got the energy of a clown at a children's party. Yeah, it

felt like that. You know, he's like, he's like, oh, what kind of animal do you think you want me to make? You want a dog? It's like,'s like dude all right man fucking relax get to the joke I've a never-before-seen photo of red bar radio. I Think this has been seen before Scars Club members that pointy yeah, I called it is Got him good with that your dad's a loser and my dad can beat up your dad. And I don't want to tell Aaron how to do comedy because as he'll let us know, I don't know either. But maybe don't sell it so hard if he was dry with this stuff. It would be more interesting.

I've never seen like Colin Quinn or someone on Weekend Update who's just like, hey, you guys ready to see this photo? It's this! You know, you're like, okay, by this time, like, we're kind of annoyed. But even when you do that, it's funny. He sounds pissed. Yeah, well, there's probably some rage issues. It's a good point. Oh, look at that. Look at how happy he looks.

He's a little sheepish boy staring up at his dad. Alright, the joke's over. That's the other thing too. That's the other thing too, like he doesn't understand that the joke was the visual. Yep. Hollywood minute, David Spade did this brilliantly. He would set something up and the visual comes up, or John Oliver, there's a lot of people who do this very well. Boop, pops up and moving on.

You don't just go, can you believe what he looks like in that photo too? comes up or John Oliver, there's a lot of people who do this very well, boop, pops up and moving on. You don't just go, can you believe what he looks like in that photo too? Yeah, moving on man, we get it. Either it worked or it didn't. His verbal equivalent of. Ha ha ha ha ha. Correct, yeah, he's just filling time and proud of himself.

And I hate to be nitpicky, but I spend a lot of time on camera and self tapes. This guy doesn't know what his eye line is. He hasn't decided whether he's supposed to be nitpicky, but I spend a lot of time on camera and self tapes. This guy doesn't know what his eye line is. He hasn't decided whether he's supposed to be pretending to look at the people in his room that are there, you know, his cohorts or whether he's speaking to the audience that's at Hackamania. So his eyes are just wild and all over the place. His dad looks pretty disappointed, but you would too if you raised a 400 pound closeted homosexual look

Okay, so in erin's mind gay is the worst thing you could be But that's why he's so pissed but a second But a second ago His wife was a baby But now he's a closeted homosexual. So he's just like I don't know about some homosexual, so I'll just fuck kids instead That's the thinking there doesn't make fuck gay babies And his dad's only a few years older than him, so it's a fucked up family life to begin with What's the be an LGBT?

They can be raised a 400 pound closeted homosexual. Look the point, we're not here to make fun of people. We're not here to say mean, terrible, awful things. We're here to celebrate. After all, hackamania is a celebration. For God's sakes, Carl Eberger is there. From who are the, round of applause for Carl. I am so glad he's there and you know,

Carl always a professional in fine form. Carl doing what he does best, watching other people be funny. You gotta be fair, there's nobody better. There's no- He almost did it the right way. So I was proud of him for a second because he set it dry and he just stopped.

But then he couldn't help himself He had a tag it with nonsense that didn't add to the joke at all and just repeated what he thought he said Well doing what he does best watching other people be funny Yeah, you got to be fair there's nobody better that was the best joke you come up with for me Alright, I mean, I'm sure he didn't spend a lot of time on this, but. Nobody better. Dick Masterson is there.

I really don't have anything against Dick. I have to say we've never really, we've. No, in fact, you like what comes out of them. Oh, I don't want to step on his setup here. We backed it up a little bit my bad my bad I Really don't have anything against dick. I have to say we've never really we've we've DMed once We haven't really spoken much. I did want to congratulate him dick Masterson a baby and a wedding Congratulations to dick

Dick of course married to a 80s girl with you if you take away the zero is Patrick Melton's favorite age for a partner This is ridiculous I let veto talk me into us alright Adam thoughts on that joke Nope So he's buried the word. It's just so many words in there. It's they afraid of silence, so they just gotta keep talking Tom. I was like trim the fat 80s girl with if you divide that by 10 Add to that's kind of the age that Patrick said do like wow Anybody have a pen I need to do the calculators of the comedy club. He's a pedophile guys remember There's one more guest of honor at this event, and that is my old friend, but I like to refer to us

as tunnel buddies, Nick Ricada is there. Round of applause for Nick Ricada, my brother in cuckitude. You know, See, this is a thing. And we got into this, obviously, over the weekend and yesterday's show. brother in cuckatoo. You know, see, this is a thing and we got to do this obviously over the weekend and yesterday's show,

but Aaron doesn't understand how cucks work. He kept saying that Nick's a cock and now he's like brothers in cuckatoo. There's a bull and there's a cock, Aaron. And from all of the evidence, you were the cuck. He was the bull. He laid between two women. You went on the edge of the bed next to one.

In the wet spot. He's the bull. You're the cuck. But let's play along because it's going to probably set up whatever this joke is. As for Nick Ricada, my brother in cuckatoo. You know, everybody thinks that Nick and I hate each other. We don't. It's all a show. In fact, I feel so stupid.

There was a gift bag that Nick asked me to send to him to Las Vegas. He asked me to ship it to Las Vegas. He didn't wanna bring it with him through the airport. I thought I'd show you the gift. I'm really sorry. I don't know why he wanted these things. Get it, but I just they've been sitting right here The first one is a bottle of Nyquil. I'm not really sure

Why anyone would need especially because they sell it at the casino? I mean it just he takes so long to get to these gags because he's so proud I mean guys I've got to tell you I'm doing this thing and I got a thing that I'm going to do and it's going to do this thing and wait till you see this thing I'm going to do. Do it. That this one was weird too. I don't know. I think Nick maybe has a dirty laptop or something there because it's a multipurpose duster.

I don't know why a guy would need that. Like I said, you're on vacation. You don't really need to be on your computer. But then again, how are you going to angrily tweet at Kurt at 3 in the morning? And finally, this was the weirdest one. He asked me for, and I quote, a jar of clean piss. I don't know why he would, it.

No, yeah, jokes on him. That is, I don't know how clean that would have been, but sorry buddy, I apologize. I would have got that stuff to you. I hope it doesn't put you in a bind. I'm sure most of that stuff you can find on the strip. There is one thing I cannot send to Nick. There's one thing that I'm pretty sure if I sent it to Nick, I'd be in a whole lot of trouble. It's just once, it's not ready yet. Hold on.

Let me just, I have to put it on my cell phone. I remember when this was happening live, I'm just like, oh my God, we all know what you're doing right now. I even predicted the tag on this one. Sorry about that. That's a, that's a lot. That's a separate that out like that. Uh, let's see if I can show it there. That's a, there you go. Get it. That, uh, lines of this is what Nick calls pussy lines. Um, I'm not, I don't want to bust you up. I don't pussy lines it worked on your wife Talking about having zero self-awareness

Yeah, this is what he uses to get like hot chicks to sleep with them. Yep. Yeah mission accomplished Fuckin idiot. I want to stop bringing that up makes you look bad I'm not I don't want to bust you up. I don't want to get you in any trouble so up. Oh my god He's right I never was really very good at that I'm also I'm really sorry Nick. I got that from your daughter's stash. I hope that That one I saw coming a mile away, it's like I know what this is gonna be I Hope that doesn't I know you see that look he just gave the camera like gotcha bitch He felt really good about himself after that daughter line

Look at this look. This is this is him going here. Your boys done. All right. Yeah, he's staring into a soul right here Like yeah, man, I get the last fucking laugh aren't I? That from your daughter's, man. I get the last fucking laugh aren't I That from your daughter's stash. I hope that I hope that doesn't look I do See now I feel like now I feel like I'm not welcome anymore should feel embarrassed Yeah, so you should start with that you should feel like you should have edited this or taking another take out of there something Watch it back and go if I was at this event where people like to clown me would this be the thing that I want them All watching I feel like nobody wants me there. I mean, you know what?

I know when I've worn out my welcome you guys are there to party you're there to talk shit about me It's no fun to talk shit about me when I'm sitting right here I just want to say to the audience, all 14 of you that are there at Hackamania, I know a lot of you see me as the devil, I know a lot of you see me as the bad guy, and I know that I've felt a lot of animosity and I've poked at you and I've prodded at you as well.

God, he's taking so much credit. He thinks so highly of himself. And so much time. Takes for fucking effort. Did you see what he's taking so much credit. He thinks so highly of himself and so much time Doing with that sharpie He's pretty much jerking it off And then poking at us very nervous with his hands He always has to be doing stuff and playing with stuff, and this is no exception. He's not a comfortable boy No, he does these things. He's not comfortable with it But I'm sure that all 14 of you got a big laugh in the packed room. I was watching this

It's not very nice. And you know, there's there's enough meanness here to start a small war So I just want to leave By saying this and I mean it from the bottom of my heart. I I mean it from the bottom of my heart. I hope every single one of you there this weekend gets AIDS mixed with cancer and dies rotting from the asshole out. Vito, thank you very much for this opportunity. Hackamania, have a great rest of your weekend.

Another win for the toe. He sucks at roast jokes. Yeah. And everything else. He's really bad at roast jokes, though. His delivery's not good. I was was watching Adams face on that last one you saw him rubbing up for that joke you saw it a mile away I just want to say this from the bottom of my heart to all you fine folks I bet it's gonna be nice

boom second encore I mean, it's... AIDS hasn't been the worst thing you can wish on someone for decades. And also calling someone gay is also not what it used to be. It's not an insult at all. Only to you, personally. Only in Minnesota. In rural Minnesota, these are like crazy shit. I'm willing to guess even there, he's like very backwards. That's true. So this is from his show on Monday when this little piggy didn't play that because this little piggy that he said that's a veto to play on biggest problem.

So this little piggy we put up on the internet and that was a very fascinating show. If you haven't watched it, I recommend that you do. A lot of crazy information came out that we had on that show. But this is Aaron complaining that we didn't play that video. You keys. So congratulations to Patrick Melton. I noticed he didn't show,

I noticed nobody showed the thing that Vito and I secretly worked on together. What's that? V veto and I secretly worked on together What's that veto and I secretly worked on a thing where I roasted Patrick and Nick to their faces at hackamania I made a video veto and I put it together. He played it. He DM'd me that night He goes it went over great. The pop was huge when you came up on screen. Oh veto You've teamed up with the wrong asshole the The guy who will never be invited to another hackamania ever. It was awesome. And not because of you, not because of this thing. I actually congratulated Vito on getting you to do this because I'm actually very happy that you did. But no, Vito was a huge pain in the ass. No video of it. I'm wondering if the minute I

came up on screen, Patrick didn't pause the stream. So this is an interesting conspiracy right here. Where he thinks that because Aaron's face came up, Patrick scrambled over to the livestream software and paused. No, no, no, no, no. It was like when Dylan went electric, we just ran over and just cut down the soundboard. Turn it off, turn it off. It was like when Dylan went electric we just ran over and just cut down the soundboard Judas I saw Melton responded to this and it's very funny because all Patrick does is play clips of Aaron on his show and

shows everything that Aaron's doing and saying and doesn't even take out a context just watches it straight through pauses it comments and Aaron will never play a clip of Patrick and that's Aaron's insecurity right there oh I bet he like turned it off so you couldn't even see in the stream no nobody gave a shit we're very happy to bet I'm playing it again on WATP but but it's okay because I have the video and I can release it it's a video I made oh nice so I can... Chadi. I know. Yes. Always in the dark. Such an idiot. Oh nice. That'll be really good. Can't wait to see it.

I bet it's really funny. You're funny. Adam, any final thoughts on what you just witnessed? It's just remarkable that both Steel Toe and Stuttering John we've seen now have the power, the ability, the option to just change all of this and turn it around by making one move. All John has to do is lean into the humor and become Perry Caravello and he can make money doing nothing like he wants.

Aaron is clearly either, he's repressed sexually somehow. I can't diagnose exactly what it is, but he's clearly not admitting what he is. But if he were to just say, like millions of people in the world are, I enjoy cuckery, I enjoy watching this, I enjoy feeling a lot of people in corporate jobs like pay big money.

They have people like. They have to be humiliated. Humiliate them. The Japanese culture, it's all English aristocracy. It's a history. It's been around for a long time. All he asked to do was say, I like it. Yeah, it turns me on.

And then all of a sudden, there's nothing anyone can do. He's kind of won in a way, but he'll never do it. He'll never do it. So his misery is his own. Well, I think the reason why he'll never do it, and the rest of us look at this and we look at it from the dabbleverse perspective and we go, dude, just fucking be you. And then you take that away from all of us. But if you remember what Aaron's actual core audience is in his local market, they would reject him. We've seen what happens at the live shows.

They're yelling out f slurs non-stop, they're chanting the N word. These are people who do not tolerate that, even though the rest of the world and the US is kind of like, yeah, whatever, we don't care. And this is a guy who sits around talking about LA and California and how they're all living in a bubble

and they can't get out of their bubble. Then what are you doing? Because the person who cuts your hair really poorly is gonna judge you if they know that you're comfortable in your sexuality and don't care what other people think? We have so much to discuss with my buddy Hopefully by now you've heard or seen our episode from Las Vegas. We had an OP segment. We started off with OP pranking some Asian people in Central Park who were taking photos. And, uh, well, well you know why don't I start with that let's let's play this brilliant prank that Opie had

Have a great day. All right. Enjoy. Bye. Bye. Jesus. So hope he's all proud of himself. He saw tourists taking photos and yelled cheese at them. So you got to love this super chat that came in on his recent live stream.

That cheese gag made me chuck a lope. Way to stick it to them. Jesus goody two shoes. Yeah, if you haven't checked out my live streams for the streets of New York in a while, please do. So it says way to stick to them Asians. This goody two shoes free chat that he put up and hope he's all proud of himself. He's like, yeah, I really did stick it to them.

Oh, why would you think that was a good bit? Like the guys making fun of you. You don't know that You thought that yelling cheese at tourists was funny You think those Asians had it coming? Alright Why don't you lay off the Asians? All right. Don't tell people to do Wigam. All right. So this goes on. Opie's talking about these live streams. He's promoting it hard.

It's like, guys, if you're not watching these live streams, they're getting really good. You're missing out. Yeah. Or he's walking and talking around New York. I finally said after all these years, hey, the quality of my video stinks. So I'm taking a second camera. So I look like a dork when I'm walking around because I got my cell phone for the live stream

then I got a separate camera. I'm holding both of them at the same time. And then after the live stream's over, I come home, I download the really, really good video and then I Replace the kind of just okay video from the actual live stream This is crazy. This is psychotic. I had no idea this was going on Opi is shooting everything like Tommy was so in the room did this also. He's shooting everything with two different cameras same perspective same video two different cameras. Same perspective, same

video, two different cameras so that he can do the live stream then go home and replace that live stream with a slightly higher quality video for people who didn't watch it live and are going to watch it later. He thinks these live streams are so important that he's going to make sure to redo them after the fact to get them as pristine as possible. He doesn't have anything to do all day. He's got nothing going on. Could you imagine? This is what he's spending his time with. And he's like, I look like a dork even without the extra camera. OP, it's not a great look what you're doing.

There's a reason why the camera never turns back if I ran into anybody I knew while I was Attacking Asians screaming cheese and like you run into an ex and then you try to explain to them how well you're doing That would be a hard sell Well this doesn't end here. Now he's going to explain this bit that he did. And I'm getting some good videos out of it. And one was the the cheese gag. A bunch of Asians taking a picture of the skyline of Manhattan.

They're on a bridge. There's a lagoon and the built in the background. Excuse me. There's a whole bunch of buildings and I just went up to home and went cheese cheese cheese to all the Asians and I It turned out okay. I thought fascinating Not only did not realize that goody-two-shoes is clowning him

But he goes on to explain the bit the process the yes a little behind the scenes of the thought process And how that all worked and then why it was so good why it worked This is next level. This is insane for the opster. This is next level like he's out of it and I Couldn't believe when I went to his YouTube page the Opie Unleashed NYC because I pulled that from his live stream we showed that hackamani in Las Vegas it's because I was watching his live stream and pulling clips I had no idea he was pulling the same clips that I was look at this Say Cheese has

66 views from six days ago 18 seconds long he up this is on his channel he uploaded that video and made it higher quality too he put the time into a video that's got 66 views but wait there's more 30 seconds almost had it rare empty central bridge moment interrupted tourists won't move by epic film remember to roll bridge shot these are all clips that I pulled to make fun of Opie He's putting them on his channel on purpose Yeah, you guys are both in stunned disbelief. I see Because the fact he was referencing this cheese thing I'm like wait a second he didn't put that out as a single video

Did he so I had to go look it's offensive to Asians and cheese no two bridges and to like if somebody invited you to see their vacation videos you'd be like this is we can't watch this what are you doing why are you watching so what's the joke who is it on what's the joke actually he doesn't know Adams response to watching the bow bridge live was Fantastic you were outraged That he would ruin someone else's day thinking that they're ruining his

Yeah, he pushed somebody out of the way and let me get this shot or he was so upset somebody was getting the shot before He was harassing them just yelling at them somebody out of the way and went, let me get this shot. Or he was so upset, somebody was getting the shot before him. He was harassing them, just yelling at them, pacing back and forth on this bridge. Persons facing the other way, and nobody's just harassing them. Each way, back and forth. The person's taking a video, just like he's doing.

Yeah. Well, not like he's doing. Well, right. Like someone might enjoy one day. In peace. Yes. When a 15 year old kid trying to shoot an Instagram thing

does that, you correct them. Whether they're your kid or not, you're like, buddy, get the fuck out of the way there first. Right. What is he doing? Raising terrible children. And I promise you that. That's a good example.

Yeah, and I said it before, I'm almost positive all of those Asians speak perfect English and they were just dumbing it down for him. Yeah. That's what they do when you're approached by a wild blonde white behemoth You know coming at you with a camera you just pretend you don't know what's happening They actually look like they go away. They actually thought they looked like they thought he was the slow and they're like yeah cheese man, right? Exactly just say what he wants silly goes away He looks hungry. All right. So the question comes

up because Opie analysis got this new podcast deal, but you know, the paperwork hasn't been signed yet. We're still working on the terms. He said he wanted to make sure it wasn't an exclusive deal. He wants to make sure he can put his podcast everywhere still. So is there an update on that? What happened to the podcast deal? It's, it's, it's? It's almost signed, sealed, delivered. But people are making a big deal about it. I didn't say it was a big deal. I'm just moving my podcast from one place to the other with a good chance of getting more marketing and a good chance of getting more people listening to my rubbish. So I will I will be talking about that. So it's like I said, it's not it's not a huge deal. Who's making a big deal about it? I mean, I am because we're making

fun of you. But yeah, the trolls. He's like guys, you make a too much of a deal about this. Like, no, no, you brought it up. And then Vincent scare Muzo just wants to know if there's an update on the time to plug it. Right were pretty excited about if I remember Talked about a ball defensive. He's so defection every guys don't make a big deal about this We know it's not a big deal you there's no way you would get signed to a big podcast deal. We know that You're not call her daddy. You're not smart less no one thinks you you have this huge podcast deal We're gonna read about in the trades It's so funny when somebody asks him a real question like hey, what's up with that new house you were buying He's go fuck yourself. How dare you come at me like that and when someone is clearly mocking like great job with those Asians

He's worse than stupid So he gets this question about this podcast deal and immediately has to turn it on Anthony. Like I said, it's not, it's not a huge deal. It's not like doing weekends on an AM station in New York city. I mean, that's a big deal. By the way, you would think, you know, with Anthony going back to radio after all these years,

there'd be a buzz, a little buzz. There's no buzz. I live in New York City. There's no buzz on Anthony doing weekends on ABC. Wow. That could very well be true, but how the fuck would he know? He talks to five guys in a basement of a bar down

the street from him and that's about it. Other than that he just walks around harassing people. You don't think OP is up in the conservative radio chat forums? No. Just duking it out and trying to gauge the reaction? I highly doubt it. I love this thing where he goes, guys my podcast deals are not a big deal podcast deal's not a big deal. It's not a big deal. It's like this AM weekend station thing,

trying to like make fun of it, but it literally is not. Like whatever Opie's gonna make from this, whatever he's signing, he won't make nearly as much money as Anthony's making. He won't make nearly as much news. Just the idea that Anthony's been canceled off of broadcast medium is back on AM radio It's a huge deal and then he immediately syndicated and then at the third hour

You can't take this away from him. You can say whatever you want He's having great guests on the show a lot of the comedians used to be on open Anthony are showing up on Anthony's show now and for Opie's had to go there immediately. Yeah. Hey, and that's a that's a buddy the Vincent guy I see him in there usually the Facebook squad if you see someone on Facebook, that's a friend friendly Viewer of the show for every thing every time that Opie brings up Anthony There's got to be ten times that he's not he's just absolutely living rent. Yes. He's had yes and This actually continues. There's no buzz on Anthony doing weekends on ABC. But what about you? We're not talking about me right now. You understand? I hope you understand.

No. No. We were literally talking about you just now. You're the one who seguated off of you. And then he became that troll in his head that hater in his head What about you? What are you doing? Oh, it's so great. We're not talking about that. No. No, we are We asked you about your podcast deal. What's going on with that is a frightening reveal. Is that crazy? Yeah He's backwards about everything his catchphrase was I don't want to talk about it So now he were talking about Opie. We're not talking about that. We catchphrase was, I don't want to talk about Anthony. So now he we're talking about OPDs. We're not talking about that. We're talking about it. Okay. Well, yes, we're always wrong.

It's even worse than that later on in the same stream. Thoughts for thoughts on that recruiting Pesfer's and I don't I don't I have no I have no thoughts. The only thoughts I have on Anthony is when you bring up the thoughts That's the only time I have thoughts on Anthony is when you bring up from when you bring up stuff That's a bold-faced lie. You just brought it up out of nowhere earlier in the show Yeah, is that crazy? I mean you guys both picked up by the fact that he never talks about Anthony I don't even think about Anthony and then someone goes hey makes a joke about

Ant Hill or whatever. I don't think about Anthony until you guys bring it up even alone Holy shit opiates this and we're watching the spiral. Yeah, which is depressing but predictable His his mom suffered with mental health. He talked about it all the time But predictable. His mom suffered with mental health, he talked about it all the time. He is a mental patient at this point. Is it just me or is he getting lower and lower in the frame with each episode? Like, he has to notice that everyone who does a podcast presents themselves. It's all you have to offer.

He knows he's the thing of least value in this shot right now and he's in the dark. I would tell you it's because he wants to showcase the scenery, but he does the same thing in the basement of Gebhard's. There's nothing to see behind him there, unless you want to look at some jersey that's on the wall and a beer sign. But you're right, that's how he feels about himself. Not to break the illusion, but when you sent me a picture of the Peddle-Ball background that I had requested,

it had a tiny little ring light reflection in one of the pictures, and I asked you to retake it. And you're like, oh my god, I'm so sorry. Let me resend that. And you did. This is his choice, is to be in the dark while there's a white ring behind him blocking this beautiful view.

And it's annoying as hell, because I have to make the thumbnails for these and I try to brighten them up. It's impossible. There's nothing you can do. I Photoshop can't do that. There's just, there's no light to be had. There's something so messed up about hiding on camera, like choosing to be on camera and then hiding during it. It's very weird. Let's talk about the purple mouth because on weird medicine this was a question that was asked of Dr. Steve on the final weird medicine of hackamania and Dr. Steve said I know what the answer is

So basically it's a lighting issue The idea that the single ring light is coming in directly and he's got all of this backlit is what's causing that issue And Dr. Steve actually showed a diagram because I, you know, Dr. Steve has every job in the world. He used to do lighting for some TV show or something like that. Oh my gosh. So he's like, it's all about three point lighting.

And he goes, I sent him the lights that he needs and I showed him, I showed the diagram of how you set it up so that you don't have these shadows and stuff. And he goes, and I hope he set it up in Gebhard's, but he won't do it in his own house. He refuses to set up the proper lighting. So he doesn't look like what he

looks like here. There's no helping some people. I know. Not since Suthering John sent Kate Meenie a ring light has someone been so generous with lighting suggestions. Now, I've been talking a lot about how OP is making the turn to official local status as if he hasn't already. But this is a big step right here. This one is where you could tell that, okay, we were officially on that path and there's no coming back from it.

So the question, oh my God, you guys are babbling, huh? The question is, do you still read Super Chats or are they all trolls now? Yeah, if someone's gonna give me money to troll me, I don't feel like reading that. It's not worth it. You can make some decent money if you read the Super Chats from trolls, but I don't feel like going down that road.

But if you're cool and you give me a Super Chat, I'll give you a lot of attention on the big screen, okay? He is officially no longer reading super chats that make fun of him. He has announced it. You will be blocked and he will not read your super chat. It's not worth it to him. Please be nice.

Guys, give me money and just be nice when you give me money, please. Maybe that's why he's pretending to not know what a dis is So he can take the money for those mean ones and claim he just had no idea I think you're on and that would make sense except for that goody two shoes one about the Asians was not a super chat It was a free chat that he put up on the screen Yeah, and he didn't know that he was making fun of him. He definitely did not It's like the cheese. That was great way to stick it to those stations

But what's great about Opie is that you can see on the screen right now He's got a free chat up from Quinn DQ and this is talking about that new statue the black woman that I was talking about Yeah, and it says the statue can only be viewed for four hours a day, it won't work a full shift. And Opie loves to put stuff like that up on his screen. The statue can only be viewed for four hours a day, it won't work a full shift. I get it! Well, wrong show, wrong show.

So I'm not pearl clutching, I personally don't care about this. It's a joke and whatever. Don't give a shit. But for open up constantly be talking about Anthony's a racist and what a piece of shit and everyone who likes Anthony has to be a racist just wants to hear him yell the N-word and then he puts shit like that up on the screen for no reason and reads it.

She's like, well, obviously you still want to be the shock jack guy who digs into this kind of stuff. Just if I can do it then. Yeah. Grow a pair. Grow a pair. Yeah. Stop being so offended by everything that your former partner does. Here's a question about, uh, going on the Howard Stern show. Opie has one of these little fantasy moments that a lot of these, uh, lolcows do. Ross Dawgs, broken spirit, give me five dollars.

If I finally reached out for a Stern interview, would you go along with his current softball style or would there be fireworks? Oh my God. First of all, it's one of these questions that is stupid. No offense, Ross Dawgs, because I love you. You give me content, that's why I love you. Sometimes it's a little, a little edgy. Sometimes you get out, but anyone that gives me content I love, um, it's a stupid question because

it's never going to happen, but I would absolutely accept an interview to be on Howard Stern. And I would, I would just go in in. Why would I do softball crap? No! I would go all in. Oh, you'd like that, wouldn't you, Opie? So at least there was that quick realization that's not going to happen, obviously. Now, I don't know if it's because of their history

in Opie's mind or because he doesn't have the celebrity status to go on the Howard Stern show. I don't know why he thinks he would be asked. Oh, no, he thinks it's because he doesn't have the celebrity status to go out of the Howard Stern show. I don't know why he thinks. Oh no, he thinks it's because he humiliated Howard by showing that he has security and they locked down the building because of the numerous incredible, not just assassination attempts, but death threats that guy gets. Maybe it's a little paranoid. Fine.

But I promise you, Opie, that's not why you're not going to be on the Howard Stern Show. But just in case there was ever just a little bit of interest the way there is in Anthony, you have to answer that question that way to just guarantee Solidify it's never going to happen. Well he goes on, he elaborates on what he would do on Howard's show. And I would apologize for something. And then he would be like, ah, you apologizing about this. It's bringing it up again.

Oh my God, what are you doing? But I would, I would apologize for something 100%. I've had a few apologies to people from my past. Yes, I have. I'm sorry that happened. I'm sorry you felt that way. I had no idea. You know, it was a pressure cooker, the opiate Anthony show,

and I probably should have been more aware that what was going on was bothering you. So I hope you accept my apology. Very weird shit going on right there. First off. So he would apologize to Howard. I have a theory on that, but you notice how as he's talking about apologies to people, I'm sorry you felt that way. I didn't realize you felt that way. I had an obligation to say crazy shit on my radio show.

It wasn't my fault. Like even these fake apologies are not apologies. It's not an apology. It's not at all I'm sorry. Sorry. You felt that way. It's not an apology. Just in case you mistake it for being sincere He's got to talk to you in that sing-song condescending childlike voice that just oh, it's so irritating. He's such a cunt My theory on this is they used to go hard at Howard's daughter I would guess now that he has kids that's probably what he feels shitty about Doing and that's what he probably feels like he owes Howard an apology for and he probably does. Also, John has this too the arrogance

He thinks he believes like Howard's aware of this and like thinking about it. Right. We're to somehow come in that would be on his mind and he'd be like wanting he doesn't give a shit about you. He doesn't know who you are. He has moved on. You should too. But it might be the filming of the serious exam stuff. Who knows? It's possible. I have one more video clip of Opie because he put this one out. This is him on the streets of Manhattan and The name of this video again. I didn't make this Opie made it. It's called the pope is a white-sox fan hilarious rant on baseball and religion

Edgy stuff get ready. This is gonna be a hilarious rant on baseball and religion Aaron Imhold, I hope you're taking notes here on how to be funny. What do you think about the Pope being a White Sox fan though? The Pope should be a White Sox fan They found some old footage when the White Sox was in the World Series and the Pope What's interesting about this is I thought he was talking to the guy next to him. I did too. I thought for sure he was like interviewing someone. He's just talking to himself. Oh, right.

Staring at his phone and a busy corner of Manhattan. Someone pointed out when we were talking about how he was acting out in Central Park and how people were ignoring him because they're so used to homeless and schizophrenics Someone's like carl i'm from new york and you're right like we've been trained to ignore those people because every now and again They need attention and they'll do anything to get someone to make eye contact with them or just acknowledge that they're there That's the rule is can't make eye contact every person just walks by and just stares ahead And so every now and again, they'll just act out and that's what Opie does on a daily basis. The Pope Leo was at one of the games and then the stupid Cubs they're like no he's actually a Cubs

fan and then the Pope's brother did all sorts of interviews and said now my brother's a White Sox fan and he's now the Pope. There's a lot of hocus pocus and magical religion, but if the Pope is an old White Sox fan, right? And he's got the direct connection to gwaad our Lord and Savior Shooting the White Sox with the World Series every single year until the Pope dies Then I'd be a believer Is that a lot alright, so that's gonna wrap up the hilarious rant. This one will get you guys know in case you were waiting for a tag or something like that.

Okay. But get it because like the Pope is a fan of a team so they should win because like God would want to do a favor for the god. That guy dressed in the gorilla suit that works in Times Square made more money that day than he'll be did. Oh, by far. Is that alive? Is that one alive?

Oh, it is alive, oh my God! All right, peace! Oh my God, it's alive! It's alive, what happened? I'm supposed to tip them now. Can't film them without paying them. You good, I'm good. Thank you.

All right. Yeah, the guy even gave him the, yeah, yeah, yeah, give me a few bucks here, asshole. I can't film them without paying them. You good? I'm good. Alright. Yeah, the guy even gave him the, yeah yeah yeah, give me a few bucks here asshole. Opie shoving his phone into the guy's chest. He likes anyone who gives him content, he just won't pay them. Producer Chris, you're starting to get so annoyed with Opie. I'm watching Chris no longer having fun with these guys. That's my job. Yeah, I was like, I can't have both of you staring at me like, what the fuck is wrong with this guy? I'm watching Chris no longer having fun with these That's my job

I can't have both of you staring at me like what the fuck is wrong with this guy? Someone's gotta have fun with that. Oh It's a lot after Aaron Aaron pisses me. Oh, I know sorry guys It's been a marathon today, but I had to get those Obstacleps and I refuse to believe Refuse to believe that he has any relationship with his wife and his family right now because there's just no way you can go do that all day and then come home and have the wife say,

what'd you do today? And then him tell her that or show her that and she's like, good job, honey. Well, why are their spouses all the time? Oh, I was sleeping with hookers. I was scoring hard drugs. Why are their spouses all the time? That's curable this stuff children escape ports You can't lie about it. He's posting it online. They can see it No one sees it unless they're watching WTP. They don't know about people watch the skinny Chad episode. Don't be

Crunch the numbers You want to hit some voicemails with us Adam get out of here love to let's figure out what the folks want to talk To us about there's no game card if was not able to put together a game today I know it's very disappointing Like I said programming programming now, 3 PM on Saturday. If you're on our YouTube channel, if you're a member, or if you're on Supercast or Patreon, you get the link to watch us live on Saturdays.

3 PM, Pat Oates will be on the show. And one of these days, I'm going to bring the teaser back in a segment on the show. I swear. I swear I'm going to. Cardiff had a great appearance on Ray DeVito's show last night, I think. Really? It's phenomenal.

Yeah, I encourage everyone to go check out the Bladcast tonight and to look at that Ray DeVito. It's on Ray's channel. It's very funny. What were the highlights? What was the angle? I don't want to spoil anything. Cardiff's just very real with him.

He's very... Love it. They can't get past just the invite, how Ray invited him onto the show and what went down. And then how he kept him waiting because he was talking to his roommates. It's very interesting. Fantastic. All right. Hey, Carl, Kenny from Canada here. Recently, you're talking about maybe Adam Bush, you know, jumping from all these podcasts going on all these different ones. But yeah, your last episode, you were saying, just kind of

wondering who's worse. Oh, I'm Carl. I'm on the Drew Lane show. Oh, oh, I'm flying to Dallas to be on this guy's show. And then the next day I'm going to be on another one. Yeah. Just, just kind of wondering who's worse. You or Adam Bush. Anyway, love you. Love the show. Bye. I don't know if worse is the word I would use, but I'm going on with Dave Landau Alex Stein and Drew Lane and who are you appearing with? Adam I'm setting up something very special with mr. Tom Myers It's gonna be great it's gonna be great he has agreed to talk to me and I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, that's exciting Yeah, this Hughes's episode out. Yeah, you did Tuesday it is. Oh with talk yesterday morning. It was really fun. Actually, it was really interesting cool

Oh, he's very funny. He's very funny was echo pineapple on that too. Yes. Yes. Yeah, Hughes He I watched a lot of that Hughes he was in Rare form he was it was really great and time was great. It's very interesting All right. Now we know you're lying. You had a really interesting Great you said that was great It was he was great. He was very interesting. There's delineation understood, okay Hey, so I don't know if you guys are familiar with the

LSD no-no Documentary. Yeah, I'm actually not talking about the documentary. There's a about a five-minute animated version of it on YouTube The animation is absolutely hysterical. And of course, it's a historical story to begin with great sports achievement in all of history but to begin with, greatest sports achievement in all of history. But, like I said, the animation is hysterical, and when I listened to that interview with John, all I could think of was that guy needs to animate

John's telling of the talent show. It would be fucking hysterical. Check that video out, you'll enjoy it. The other thing is this Opie I don't know if any of you guys are familiar with the David Lynch version of doom Opie is transforming into a men task. Check it out. You'll agree with me. Love the show. See ya Yeah, that would be great to animate what I'm showing the animation here on the screen. That'd be great to animate.

It's very cool. What John described as his Battle of the Bands performance. Yes, do it. I'd love to see that. Kind of like a drunk history where you hear him describing it and then you see and then he changes things, it changes and it goes along. The HBO Ricky Gervais show the animation Right of that was brilliant

Carol Pilkington Go bills It's so easy to tell that John's lying It struck me just through the use of her one phrase another John ism completely new made-up bullshit Butcher blood there's no such thing as butcher blood other than the blood that is inside of a butcher, which obviously only a murderer would be interested in obtaining. Because the blood is taken care of at the slaughterhouse and nobody wants that shit. And even if you did get that shit, why would you ever want to throw that around indoors?

There's no venue on earth that would ever sanction that, throwing it onto people. It constitutes an obvious health risk. You would never do that. That's fucking retarded, you fucking idiot. And then also, what you might use is like, red dyed something inert, but you wouldn't even do that in high school because people don't want shit on them and that's another fucking obvious lie as well.

And then to cap it all, you just arrive at the fact that John's never demonstrated any notable skill, talent, or ability with music in particular, but definitely nothing else either really. And actually from his high school report card, music was in fact his weakest subject. Vote for Carl at TheCreepOff.com. Vote for Carl at TheCreepOff.com. Thank carl at the creep off.com thank you very much yeah that's a good point i didn't even question that where do they sell that?

that's way too much effort first of all what do you do with this pig's blood? it does not exist. So does John think in movies? Yes. Everything's in movies. That's real blood? Is that what he thinks is happening? Does he not know there's another option? It doesn't have to be actual blood? That's why it was so ridiculous, Nick didn't ask a single follow-up question about that.

Well, he explained why. He's just like I let them go now these these rock and rollers they like to fib if you say so this is a message for Adam hey this message is for the Wednesday show and specifically for Adam Bush hey Adam you know who can make a Holocaust joke anybody who fucking wants to, that's who. Thank you. Yeah, they just have to be good. I think he's missing the point. Yeah, he's missing the point about quads and aptitudes. But it has to be a good one.

Yes. Anybody can and anybody is is open to and I love it. But it's got to be good. It can't be the lowest hanging fruit available while you're trying to also have credibility while talking about these serious issues. You can't have both. There's one thing that Bush family is known for. It's Holocaust jokes.

I mean, I think that's well established. We love it. Brings us together. But they have to be good. I'm sorry. A boner guy I think is jealous of Kyle photographer based on this call. Go Vils. No, Kyle photographer.

Don't you apologize for missing out on some pun. That's some autistic virgin shit right there. based on this call. measure activity, which we all know is just slinging dick. You're cool, man. Why don't you not come into acting school next week and give us other poor chumps a go at those hot ladies for a change. Yeah. I bet you barely even have time to vote for Carl at the creep off.com every week, but you do. I know you do cause you're cool, man. That sounded like jealousy to me.

It's always good to hear from Hughes. Hey Carl, can we do karaoke at the Boston show? I would like to sing that new Kanye song that just came out. Number one hit tune. Yeah, I don't know how many karaoke DJs will have that ready to spin, but maybe. Give it a try. What the hell is this? Karmic X. I'm fucking dying right now

holy shit I've never looked at Patrick Melton and thought he's got a face for fucking and yeah Patrick put your ass where it belongs right behind me holy shit that's fucking gold. Oh my God, I can't wait to hear you say what he says next here. Oh my God, I'm going back in, all right. Yeah, Carmack X is a character. It was brought up, Hackamania, you know,

Aaron thought it was gonna be all about him. More people were talking about Carmack and Hackamania than Aaron Immelt. Yeah, and Chad. Chad was a big topic. Yes, you're right. Yeah, Chad and Carmich were the talk of the, uh, the event. Now that Carmich is sober, is he still, still doing the, if you will... No, he wasn't doing all that stuff. I digress.

I was, I was, I watched the stream a couple times this week, and he wasn't doing any of his catchphrases or anything. Oh. I know. I'm putting, trinting up all these fucking t-shirts for nothing. Well, let's get it back on the sauce. Come on, Adam. Let's go out, drink it with him one night get a bet hooked again. I'm open to that. All right, cool. I like enabling Gary and San Diego. Hey Carl Well, we know John canceled his stress Tractor II gig

By the way anytime we met anyone from San Diego because one of the questions I asked when I meet people my cowards Come in from any time anyone's at San Diego. Oh, do you know Gary? Yeah, and it goes over like a lead balloon No one knows the fuck Due to some sort of industrial emergency industry now one of the chances he's gonna Gig Now, what are the chances he's going to cancel his off the hook June gig to do another industrial emergency? Industry? Is John just getting cold feet? He doesn't want to do his comedy gig anymore? He comes up with phony excuses? What do you think? Rock and Rolla. Industry obligation, not industrial emergency. I believe I can be wrong. We talked to Vegas beer sales Jerry quite a bit when we were out in Vegas, and he says

that John's booking tons of gigs and that's his life now. He's a touring comic. Vegas is a good guy. Yes, Vegas is a good guy. Had a great time with him. Number of conversations with him. Hey, Kyle. I love you. Love the show. This is Dorkel guy. I had a great time with him. Number of conversations with him. Hey Kyle, I love you. Love the show.

This is Dorkel the Clown, Paulie. I wanted to disagree about the worst episode of the VHP being the one with the guy that went over the fat chef with the stroke. It has to be, I'm working my way through the series right now. It's got to be the episode where you have Zumock on. He is so fucking insufferable and he just is walking around with a hate boner the entire time for Chrissy Mayer, whoever this third string Cleveland DJ is. Can't say it being 50-50. You really got to go back and listen to the episode. Bye.

No, thank you. Yeah, the episode where Chad appeared on WATP is a tough listen. Yeah. It starts off all right, but he went way too hard at the main subject and then just trailed off. We just lost him. Just couldn't bring him back. It was just kind of a misread.

I remember it. Yeah. It was like one of those political shows and someone's like I know what I'm gonna do and it was just not the right line of attack for that moment But I'll never forget cuz we were we used to be over in that part of the basement That was where our studio was set up. It was just you and me and I was looking across the tables You know, I was just like We weren't video back then so I'm just looking at producer Chris like what do we do?

Chance thanks for helping out buddy Back then so I'm just looking at producer Chris like what do we do? Amanda Lynn nappy calling it. Yeah. Hey Carl. It's Amanda Lynn nappy Hey, I was just calling about your observation of stuttering John's arms Still being long even though he's getting smaller, losing weight. That's a good observation. It's not losing weight. One time I lost so much weight that I couldn't even scratch my head. No, no shrinking. What are you an idiot?

Your arms don't get shorter as you lose weight. I know that. Come on, Carl. What's the matter with you? Hey have Jimmy call me back Open your fucking ears. I didn't say he's losing weight his arms are longer now fucking people Let me say that you shit your pants on acid and then you say you don't want to talk about it There's nothing more to talk about. That's the story. That's that's the

Beginning and end of the story you took took a ass and shit your pants. Tell producer Chris to come way back. Well then I changed my pants while I was still tripping. Yeah, there's still a couple questions. I don't know if that's necessarily the end of the story. I would like to know what happened actually from that point on. Oh my God, I was peeing in the woods.

It was just one of those things where lost control and I got back in the car and I went I'm gonna go home it was fun when it was warm but uh is that what happened and you just went home and I was with a buddy of mine and I was driving and I go hey I gotta run home quick and I went inside and changed I came back out and I went, yeah, I just shit my pants. I had to change. So you were driving while on acid. Mm-hmm.

With shit in my pants, yeah. Very wet shit, too. Not like a lawn. We're talking. That John's a loser, isn't he? Ha ha ha. I was a teenager. You guys don't shit your pants out of acid

while you're teenagers? Oh. Maybe once. Yes. don't shit your pants on acid while you're teenagers? Oh. Maybe once. Yes! And I wasn't even on acid, so I don't know what my excuse was. Alright, here's the last one. Oh, you guys really crossed the line this time with Steel Toe. Oh, I think Steel Toe's gonna go to Greenland this time. The pearl clutching on Reddit over the the the Aaron tapes or whatever the pictures

It's ridiculous. So many like Aaron's been exposed as an absent father a wife beater a criminal that sends like revenge porn But suddenly him being exposed as a come-eating cuckold is too much Fuck this guy. My only problem with hackamania is that Melton was too fat for the stream to work So I'm hoping we get that fixed for next year. Anyway, love the show. Well, yes, some people I guess weren't surprised by what we learned at Hackamania, but most of us were even though we know that Aaron is a piece of shit, but it's still wild. The information that came out. Adam, you're a trooper, buddy. You've been podcasting all week, nonstop. We appreciate you, buddy.

I am doing my best not to become Caleb that we just watched. Yep, no, you're killing it. I'm trying my best to. Keeping your composure. Thank you to everyone who's been sending me submissions. I will get to all of them, I promise. It's just taking a little bit of time. Awesome. I gotta go, bye. I will get to all of them, I promise. It's just taking a little bit of time. Awesome.

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