Who Are These Podcasts? - Minisode - Falling Asleep to True Crime Podcasts with Kaya

Episode Date: August 23, 2026

Kaya has been raging about the number of female TikTokers who are team Lindsay Clancy, a woman who murdered her three children. What causes these people to side with a horrific monster? Could it be the over-saturation of true crime podcasts? We do the research. Kaya and I check out the true crime podcasts that women fall asleep listening to including True Crime Sleep Stories and Dead Sleep - True Crime for Bedtime. Watch the episode here: https://youtube.com/live/gdHdurStx28 Get more Kaya: https://kaya.fm/ WATP candy available now: https://www.leiselandfriendsgourmet.com/ Support us, get bonus episodes, and watch live every Saturday and Wednesday: ⁠⁠http://bit.ly/watp-patreon⁠⁠ ⁠⁠https://watp.supercast.tech/⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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You know, Kai has been following this Lindsay Clancy story. This is a woman who, for some reason, has, like, supporters and defenders. Like, she murders her baby, and people are like, I'm on her side. What? It's been radicalizing me genuinely. So for those who are, who've been living under Iraq, this is apparently the biggest news in America right now. All of the normies are tuned into this. I realize this when my wife came up to me and

said, Kaya, my co-worker just started talking about that case you were yapping about. And I said, is she fat and frumpy? Yes, she is. Of course she is. What did she say? Well, she said, the husband probably did it. So, in case you're not aware for our listeners, Lindsay Clancy is a lady, an upper-class white lady, who strangled three of her children to death. And all of TikTok, this is the top news on TikTok right now. All of the women on TikTok are supporting her, saying, I can relate. I sometimes fantasize about strangling my baby, too. And it has been so soul-crushing and black-pilling to watch.

Before we started, you mentioned that you watched one of my streams. Yes, you were on that. Why did they play a lot of these TikTok videos? These women like they're reading this woman's diary in court. These women are crying their eyes out. Oh, this poor woman. Holding their babies. Same, Lindsay.

Yes. And apparently now they're holding rallies. They're holding little fucking protests outside the courthouse. Yeah. Did you see those videos? I have seen those. Yeah. I've seen those videos.

All wearing pink cheering for her like she's Justin Bieber. And I just checked right now. She has a go fund me. Everybody. Oh, fuck. She has a go fund me. The women of TikTok, made Lindsay Clancy, the child strangler, the child serial murderer, a go-fund me, she is officially a millionaire.

$1 million, $29,888 raised so far. What? For a child strangler. That's insane. Yes. I don't have any kids, but if I can just like have something that murder them for money, I would do that. Is that a business plan? I wish I didn't have a soul.

It is so tempting. She's like, ah! Millions of dollars. just like shaking it out of the baby like Bart Simpson. Yeah, I don't think it would work for you. I don't think you'd be a sympathetic character. I know. I'm too male.

Turkish. Yeah, I don't think people would be on your side. I noticed you have something in the, you're sharing something here. Yeah, just my screen. I was just putting up the family funds.

Holy shit. Look at this. Of two million? She wants two mills? Yeah. Come on. A lady set this up for her parents, quote on court, but I mean, you know, it's just going to go to her once she walks free out of courts. The Musgrove Family Funds.

In January 2023, Lindsay Clancy was accused of killing her three young children. By the way, she admits it. She said, I did it. Her attorneys say, she did it. Her husband says she did it. Everybody agrees. She did it. The only contention here is that she was hopped up on a bunch of benzos, and she claims that it was postpartum depression, postpartum psychosis.

Right. So not her fault. She heard voices. you see. Yes. So she wants to water out of there. Bad babysitting. Anyway, so the women of TikTok

have been radicalizing themselves on the story, basically coming, well, she's innocent. The husband did it. I watch a lot of true crime. Okay, and from the cases that I have analyzed, she has innocence. If you would like to play, or do you want me to play my repeal the 19th?

Oh, I have that right here, actually. We pull that up. So, here's what we're talking about. It's in her no return right now. It's been a while, but I have to pop on here just to say that I've been following this Lindsay Clancy trial, especially as a mother of two who dealt with a lot of postpartum mental illness and, you know, just following. She didn't have to tell me she was mentally ill.

I could just tell. All their birth charts and birthdays and zodiac signs. He did it. He did it. He did it. He's a Gemini man. His birthday is June 15th. I'm a Gemini woman.

My birthday is you in 14th. Neither here nor there. What the fuck is she talking about? What are these mental gymnastics she's jumping through? They believe this is not a straw man. I'm not making shit up. I'm not just being a misogynist for the sake of it as a Middle Easterner. I swear to this is not a straw man.

They believe that he's guilty because he's a Gemini. They call this forensic astrology. They've been looking at the birth dates. Forensic astrology, okay? Not a pseudocytes to these gals. This is genuine science that they're doing in their heads because he's born in whatever the fuck. I don't know what Gemini, what month of Gemini's are. She's a Leo.

Lindsay Clancy is. Leos don't kill their cubs, Carl. Leos protect their cubs. Gemini's on the other hand are filthy liars. Yes. Well, is Mercury and retrograde or not? Because that's going to be a big factor as well. I don't know.

I don't have a degree in astrology. Unfortunately, I'm not a scientist, you see. I'm just a lowly podcaster along with you. So we're going to have to just sit on our. our peasant asses and listen to the ladies. Let me give you another example of who a Gemini man is. Also birthday, June 14th. Men and women are different.

Keep that in mind. Please don't judge me. Donald Trump. Also Gemini. I mean, it does kind of taint it a little bit, doesn't it? Kind of shit's in the pool. A trick did it. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

So if you're watching the Lindsay Clancy case, I've already gone over the forensic astrology charts that show that the perpetrator is a male, the perpetrator is having an affair, and that the victims, specifically Lindsay, was drugged during this. And I've also gone over with the theory

and the lie detection. I'm telling you all right now, when the South Node goes into cancer in March of 2008, the South Node is going to transit over Patrick Clancy's mooning cancer. He's going to be having eclipses over his natal moon.

which is home, family, emotions, his emotional life. And then it gets better. 2029, all the way into 2030. He is going to have eclipses over his Gemini placements. The South notice way move over his son, his mercury retrograde, his Venus retrograde. It's about to get real interesting in the next, like, three to four years for him. I'm going to my backward. I can't wait for this man to be humbled and for karma to do its thing.

God damn. No one ever says to these women, you're wrong. Shut up. No one. And that is the, just again, genuinely. I'm like at the, look, I love women. That's why I am a sexist. right? We know women. I'm sure you know women.

I do. A few of them. Some women are evil. Some women turns out deserve the back of the hands. Some women deserve to have their natal moons punched right into their fucking south node. Sure. Whatever the hell that means. So that is our forensic astrology. Yes. Again, not straw manning. Go on TikTok yourself. It is full of these videos, thousands of them. And I'm not just like doing what they call nuts picking, where I pick one little person to make fun of. to like paint the entire other side is insane.

These ladies get tens of thousands of likes. So I decided, okay, I'm going to look into this, like true crime. I fucking hate true crime now. It is one of the biggest categories on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and whatever the Google one is called. So I looked into it. And turns out, I messaged you when I found out about this, they listen to true crime to fall asleep. There are true crime sleep podcasts. This is crazy.

there was a show that we reviewed early on at WTP Sleep with me, I think it was called and it's literally a show to fall asleep to the guy's just kind of mumbling nonsense and you just kind of zone out and then fall asleep but I actually listen to that for some time to fall asleep to because it was just silly nonsense the fact that they're telling you stories about

rape and murder and serial killers and shit and like that's what they're dozing off to and it's just cause of psychosis I would imagine Dayless it. Okay, a lot of talk has been had about the radicalization of man and porn addiction. I don't know if you're tuned into that discussion with like young men, because I have some younger guys in my audience as well, and porn addiction is a big topic nowadays in our, in this year, because of, you know, porn hub addiction and ID verification and this and that. Nobody talks about true crime enough, where all of these women are apparently slicking themselves silly.

Like the most, the highest selling book in history is 50 Shades of Grey. Yeah. surpassing the Bible and that's a true potterian shit's a highest selling book in history I'm pretty sure it's close it's not really top theory it is it does sound wild the biggest category of like women reading books is just true crime romance novels the type of you know billionaire where wolf kidnaps me and has sex with me that's a sort of slop it's pretty hot listen to true crime stories to true crime podcasts of yeah and then like Jeffrey Dahmer it just has like a bunch of like gay sex with big black men

like super drunk gay sex and like he was so twinky and then he looked their blood off their skulls and it's like you listen to this and fall asleep to it? What the fuck? Is this a generational thing? So I see a toe gutter here. It says same shit with these women in Luigi Mangione

and I've seen it broken down where there's poles and it seems like the younger generation think that Luigi's a hero. A guy who went and murdered someone in the middle of the street because Luigi's low-key cute because he looks like he has that kind of like

handsomeness to him they also as you might recall the Boston Marathon bomber Yes I was just gonna say that Yeah that that guy was like on the cover of Rolling Stone Or People magazine or something He's like yeah look at this hot guy He's so dreamy

Unfortunately it is not an age thing That's what I had to I had to fucking cope too I had to tell myself it has to be It has to be frumpy middle age Like soccer moms Who are just unfucked and unloved by their husbands right

And it is definitely that demographic, but it is also they are under fucked. Just be honest about this. Unfucked. But it is also younger girls. Young girls, 20 year olds on TikTok radicalizing themselves like, yeah, he's a Gemini. The Boston Marathon mommer, he's like a Virgo. He didn't do it. He was framed.

He might have been framed, but that's not the point. It is wild that like these women get behind these stories. and regardless of the evidence it's out there, they've made up their mind and not only that, they're passionate about it. The amount of emotion, the clips that you were playing and even this clip that we just played, like these women

get so passionate about it. It's like, I'm not that passionate about anything in my life. When it was just doesn't affect me in any way. So smarmy and smug about it too. You're defending a serial killer, by the way. Again, reminder, this is about Lindsay Clancy. This past like two or three weeks, whatever it has been

now, since the trial started her very public trial. They're so aggressively like, and if you think that Lindsay Clancy, what she did is wrong, don't even, don't comment. Right. What the fuck? I can't even deal with a second opinion on that. Imagine if men rallied around like, fuck it, the BTK, like Dennis Raider, the guy who who was like strangling and jerking off onto children. Or Danny Masterson. I don't know. I'm just spitballing here, you know, who knows who men would rally behind. So you called that clip, repeal the 19th Amendment. And I've been saying this for a while. You're Turkish originally.

I believe you live in the states now. Yes. The United States, when we first started this democracy, this republic thing that we were doing, it was land-owning males were the ones who voted in the elections. I want to bring that back. Land-owning mail. If you rent an apartment, you don't get to say, all right? When you actually own a piece of this country, that's when you get to make a decision as to who governs us.

pay taxes never have broken a rule uh pass like a basic civics exam I don't fucking know like anything I can't vote I can't vote I'm broken a rule

fuck like no murders you know small stuff like that no child strangling no child strangling even if you were in psychosis right

enjoy your chud meeting I know we're just venting about women now alright fine let's get to the podcast so I listen to death sleep which one did you pay So I listen to True Crime Sleep Stories with Kelly Brink.

Okay, do you want to start or should I? Let me start off. Okay. Let me start off because this is what these women are going to bed listening to. And this is why they're broken. Their brains are broken. This is literally a podcast, true crime sleep stories, that is meant to be falling asleep to. You pop this on, your earbuds next to your husband, who wants nothing to do with you.

This episode is called Shadows of the Shoemaker, The Crimes of Joseph Kellinger. And it starts like this. Welcome to True Crime Sleep Stories. Tonight we step into one of the most unsettling chapters in American criminal history. A story of generational pain, fractured minds, and the tragic consequences when darkness takes hold of a family. Great. Can't wait to fall asleep to this. Fun.

This is going to be fun. Oh, and then the next thing I'll know is my alarm clock going off and I have to go to work. Wow. What a great existence this is. You know the old, like the 90s meme of putting on Spanish lessons while you sleep? Yeah. To learn Spanish in your sleep. Okay, what are these women learning exactly?

Right. What are their dreams? What the fuck are they dreaming about once they... Because listen, I do sleep listening to podcasts often or I'll pop on YouTube or something. Me too. And I'll listen to that. And there are times when I have dreams and I'm like on the show with these people. I can only imagine when you're hearing about this horrific serial killer, what's going out in your dreams?

I was literally dreaming about somebody talking about like sucking dick at glory holes and laughing in my dream. And then I woke up, I was in and out and I woke up and I realized, oh, I had Doug's a podcast still playing. That's why it was literally coming into my dream. These women, what the fuck do your dreams look like? Some Freddie Kruger fucked up nonsense. You should not sleep to who's right, by the way. I do not endorse that. It's a very bad idea.

It's the only thing that works. Now, Kaya, every time I hear scripts like this, this woman just reads a script, I always think, is AI writing this? Listen to this. Imagine a quiet Philadelphia neighborhood in the 1970s. A local cobbler, a man who mends shoes for a living, harbors secrets so profound they unravel into violence that spans three states. What began as a life marked by unimaginable childhood suffering spiraled into a series of, of home invasions, robberies, assaults, and three heartbreaking losses of life. Yay.

That's not how people talk. So cozy, by the way. I know. The stupid fucking ominous music that's playing, too, just to make it extra creepy. She sounds like a robot. The way she reads and the world she's reading. I don't know if this podcast does it,

but the one I reviewed, they release episodes without the sound effects and without the music. as well. They call it naked. Naked episodes that you can purchase on Patreon. I was going to say, yeah, Patreon only, right? Yeah. Just the voice. Her creepily talking to you about

the murders that unfolded. All right, so this show has a Patreon, and they do promote it. Sleepy Time, creepy time. There's Kelly Brink right there. Totally a real person. 52 posts. I couldn't find

any evidence since there's a single person supporting the show. I don't see anything out of here that tells me anyone is interested. I don't know, like, if you're not a member, you still see like chats and likes and stuff, right? I think so. Yeah.

They changed their UI lately, so I don't know. It doesn't show you how many members anybody has anymore and how much money they make, but it should show comments. Yeah, I don't think anyone's, uh, supporting this. Thank fucking God. This is, um, ill-conceived. What makes this case particularly haunting? is the involvement of the perpetrator's own young son

drawn into the chaos under the weight of a father's influence. If only the mother had murdered that son when he was a toddler, it's all could have been avoided. A little bit of psychosis would have helped. Yep. Some Benzos. All right.

Let's hear about some horrific things, and then it goes right into ad copy. We'll explore how, trauma echoed through generations, leading to crimes that left families forever changed and communities on edge. But before we immerse ourselves in your full story, let's take a quick moment to hear from our sponsors. That's wild. I'm fucking gut. They're so shameless.

They're so fucking shameless. I've had to deal the last 10 years being called an edge lord, racist, this phope, that phope. there's a oh, Kaya just says outrageous things because he just wants to be edgy. Meanwhile, the women, women folk, half the population, they're like, yeah, this girl got raped, but before we talk about how he skinned her, ExpressVPN.com.

Yeah, better help. Do you need to talk to someone? Yes. Everyone is your audience needs to talk to someone, for sure. No, Kay, it's funny to say that. This advertisement is well targeted, and it's worse than you'd think.

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All right. So what I hate about these true crime shows, because I do a true crime show, the creep off. to my buddy Vinnie Paulino. And we don't treat this stuff seriously. It's horrific. It's awful. But you know, you got to laugh or else you're going to cry. I hate when they do this shit where they try to act like they're not exploiting this stuff.

Yeah. Welcome back to true crime sleep stories. Settle in. Dim the lights if you haven't already. And let's continue. Tonight's story is told with respect for those whose lives were touched by these events. Is it? I feel my chest tighten.

I feel my left arm tingling when I hear the shit. Exactly like you said, you do the creep off. I've been on there. It's fun. It's a comedy show. And you know why it's fun? Because you guys don't lie. You take a horrific story and the whole point is, okay, we're going to just make lighthearted jokes at the shit.

Okay? If I don't laugh, I'll cry. Yeah. Type of humor. These women, they take... Our hearts go out to the horrific victims of this crime that I'm going to describe in lurid sexual detail to all of you as you're in bed using your vibrator while your husband is snoring. Please, our hearts go out to the victims of five-year-old to Bobby who was strangled so hard.

It's all to be titillating. You're exploiting these people. Don't act like you're not. Screw you. This happens again at the end of the podcast. Victims like young Jose Colazo, Joseph Jr., and Maria Fashing, along with the many survivors of those terrifying home invasions deserve to be remembered for their innocence, bravery, and the lives cut short or forever altered.

I'm sorry, what are you doing for these people? They deserve to be remembered for their innocence and bravery. Did she research these people? Were they innocent or brave? If I got, if there was a home invasion later today and I was murdered, I would hope no one would celebrate my bravery. Why do you think he was? brave.

Howard like a bitch. Jumping in front of the knife and stuff. Right. Yeah. I'm just like pushing my wife at the, at the guy, take her. I got to go.

All right. So let's figure out what's the purpose of listening to this podcast. We focus on the facts, the human elements, and the broader lessons. She's focusing on the lessons.

Now, Kaya, spoiler. Don't murder people. Yeah. Is the last set? I mean, okay, typical Gemini. Obviously, it's Gemini. All right, so now we've got to get into the horrific shit to get the women who are dozing off.

Extra excited. The abuse was so severe that at just six years old, Joseph suffered a painful hernia directly caused by one of his adoptive father's beatings. Tell me more about these beatings. Wow. This is awesome. This is what I want my like middle school teacher lady to be listening and falling asleep to as she's like, you know, next day she's going to be teaching a bunch of six-year-olds. And she's just like imagining fancy daydreaming about them getting hernius from beatings. Oh, what's wrong, Billy?

Did your dad beat you? Tell me more. No, never mind the microphone. Just go on. Yeah, yeah, please. Get in front of the class. Tell us about the belt. Did he take his pants?

Hands down? It wouldn't be a show for women if they didn't talk about guys with small dicks. In their household, they used childish terms like bird to refer to his genitals, framing the surgery as a way to make him a good boy forever by limiting his natural development. The surgery? What is the, what is going on here? Is he performing surgeries at home? Yeah, so he got his dick. gripped off, which I guess is not good for

her children. Yeah, I doubt Did you know that? Yeah. Even in the 70s they were doing this shit, I thought it was... Is that like a botched circumcision? Yeah, like a botched circumcision, yeah. So, anyway, I don't know if she's a psychologist, but it sounds like maybe she is.

These early experiences of betrayal, pain, and misinformation became the seeds of profound psychological distortion that would echo painfully through the rest of his life, and tragically into the lives of others. I'm going to need to see your degree before you explain that this is what caused that.

She is a licensed astrologer, okay? Yep, that's true. From the University of TikTok, China, Chongzwang, China. By the way, Chad is asking, is it all women or do any dudes do these podcasts? It is exclusively women. I must have like, I turned through 12 true crime podcasts trying to find something funny, all women. All right. Not a single guy.

There's one example, and that's my buddy, Mike Boudet, sword and scale. A very big true crime show. Mike's been doing it for a long time, and his audience is all whipping. He laments about it. I've talked to him a few times. He's like, yeah, guys aren't really into this shit. It's just women who listen to it. It's a great show, though.

He does a really good job. Here's some evidence that this person is evil and grew up evil. He even performed as Ebenezer Scrooge in a local production. That's a bad guy. That would be a bad guy right there. Ebenezer Scrooge. Well, it's not going to go well for him. It's a really important detail also.

I know. By the way, I am convinced that someone grabs the wiki page and pops into chat GPT and says write a script. And that's what this is. Because there's like weird details that are neither here nor there. And there's things that are like interesting that they just gloss over. This is one thing that's not interesting. He took over the family shoe repair shop, earning the nickname The Shoemaker. Kaya, I play guitar in a band, earning the nickname, Guitarist.

What happens? He's a shoemaker? Fuck, who cares? The fuck's the difference. Earning the nickname, the Shoemaker. Wow. That's the lamest nickname. You have to be like Dennis Raider and pick your own nickname, like, Byns, Torture Kill, BTK.

Okay, that's like, I'm actually scared. That's like, okay, imposing. The shoemaker? It's not very creative, you know? Unless he was turning the children into shoes. Right. I'm not impressed. All right.

So, three wildly different things are used to explain the mental illness here. Over the years, he faced mental health struggles, including periods of amnesia, suicide attempts, and incidents of arson that damaged properties he owned. Hold on a second. So the mental illness spans from amnesia, suicide, and arson. These are totally different things, right?

None of these have anything to do with anything? Amnesia and arson, especially. Yeah. Did I burn something? Whoops. I don't remember. All right. Well, he did pursue treatment.

And Joseph received probation with mandated treatment that he did not fully pursue. She over and, enunciates everything. I don't like the way that she reads this stuff. It's a little too

robotic, I guess. I think I used that term earlier. Also, the probation stuff immediately, again, I can feel my heartbeat just increasing as kill these people. I know. What do you mean? Mandated therapy that he did not attend.

No shit. Yeah. Right. No shit. He had gone to that therapy, it would have been fine. Never would have murdered anyone. Hey, seek treatments. I'm not gonna. Okay. All right.

Free to go, I guess. All right, this is not like something a human would say. This sounds like AI. A heartbreaking entanglement of coercion, delusion, and a child's loyalty. I think it's incorrect. I think I'd have to mark that sentence up. Like, that's not a correct sentence the way that's structured. You're right.

My bet. Let me rephrase that for you. Right. Exactly. All right. Let's move on. This is a great bedtime story. A young Puerto Rican boy from the neighborhood who was playing outside became the first victim.

Joseph and Michael approached him, lured him to an abandoned factory in Philadelphia's Kensington area, and there he was killed. Hey, I'd just sleep, honey. You look like you got up on the wrong side of the bed. Do you all right? Why are you ordering today? Why are you in a bad mood? Hearing about children getting murdered while you were sleeping? I bet they wake up rest at like, ugh.

Dead children. Dead children. What a day. All right, so yeah, here's an example of something where it just kind of glosses over stuff. Jose's body found the next day, nude and abused, was discovered in the ruins of the old art loom rug factory. Where it was discovered doesn't matter. I don't know what that place is.

I've never heard of it. I'll never be there. I don't care. What happened to the body? Like, wouldn't there be some details? Like, if you're going to get into true crime shit, that's the interesting part of it, right? Nude and abused is the last thing I want to hear about children when I'm, like, laying

my head down. That's okay. Can I not imagine this right now? Can we talk about something else? It does a paint a grim picture, for sure. Oh, here's another thing. This sounds like, and no offense to you, Ka. This sounds like English doesn't a sound.

second language? This is the way someone would talk if they were a foreigner. Just weeks later, on or around July 28, 1974,

came the loss of Joseph's own son, Joseph Jr., often called Joey. Often called Joey. It's like... The music, too,

as in like the singer. So dumb. The death of his son, Joseph Jr., often called Joey. Just say his son, Joey died. Can we just be people? Can we just,

Can we just talk normally or? All right. This is, this gets hot. Get ready. I don't know if, you have some Kleenex around in order to clean up yourself after you hear this. The initial cause of death could not be definitively determined due to the condition of the remains.

Yeah. Let's walk and go. Yes. I'm rock hard. I love Mankham. gold baby corpses baby. Let's go, baby. What the fuck.

All right. Just a few more clips here. They bound residents with electrical cords cut from lamps and appliances, robbed them of jewelry and cash, and subjected them to threats, humiliation, and assaults. Hold on a second.

They would tie them up and then make threats. They subjected them to threats. Is that? The worst of their problems, they were threatened. Oh, you're not going to like the things I'm going to do. You, uh, watch out you. I'm going to do some things. You're not going to like it.

Did she read this shit before she, like, records it? Is it like, I don't know, proof read it a little bit. This turns them on, is the thing. They're like, uh, subjected them to threats and bound them up with, like, electrical wires and, but like the toaster cable, what does that even mean? Right. None of it makes any sense. I don't think that she even is comprehending what she's reading.

I think she's so busy trying to enunciate everything and read it in this fashion that sounds spooky or titillating or something. These break-ins occurred in place. Oh, I should mention. So she mentions that these guy and his son are robbing all these houses. And it's happening across Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Maryland. She already said that. But then she has to give you these details. These break-ins occurred in places like

Lindenwald, New Jersey, Susquehanna, Township, Pennsylvania, Baltimore, Maryland, and Dumont, New Jersey. All right, Wikipedia, great. Give me more examples of fucking places in New Jersey. That's like a shout-outs.

There's women in like, that's where I live. Oh, my God, oh, my God. What up Baltimore! So dumb. All right. Let's get to the exciting part of the conclusion of the story. As family members and friends arrived throughout the afternoon, each was restrained.

Eight people in total became hostages in what turned into hours of ordeal. Hours of ordeal? I don't think that's proper English. What results in hours of ordeal? Okay. Well, let's find out. It's not English. Sorry, it's not AI because AI would nail the English at least.

Right. You're right. Maybe she's just reading it wrong. She's fucking up reading the scripts. Yeah, it's possible. All right, so let's find out what happened to this murderer. Joseph Callinger passed away on March 26, 1996 at age 60 from heart failure

while in custody at SCI Creson, Pennsylvania. He spent his final years under close watch. Yeah, he was in prison. What is it? Spent his final years under close watch. Yeah, they're watching all the

guys. I wanted to leave. Great. Also, he just died a peaceful death basically. Yeah, exactly. Just whatever. Okay, just two more clips here because, of course,

you have to thank everyone for listening to the show, even though you should be asleep by now, I would imagine at the end. That brings us to the end of tonight's episode. Thank you for joining me in the quiet shadows where these stories live. Until next time, stay safe

out there and lock your door. and buy life insurance. Yeah, yeah. Did she just say, thank you for joining me in the quiet shadows where these stories live? Yep. That means nothing. Those are nonsense words. No.

Quiet shadows. Listening to comedy shows to fall asleep. Yeah, right. Jokes. What I need to get I am, I should be joining them in the quiet shadows. The quiet shadows where the stories live, you know. Where the naked and abused children live, yay. All right.

Last clip, it couldn't be a self-important asshole without giving credits at the end. True Crime Sleep Stories is hosted and created by Kelly Brink, produced with the support of our dedicated team. Subscribe, rate, and review us on your favorite podcast platform to help us keep telling these haunting tales. Visit patreon.com slash Kelly Brink for exclusive content and to join our community. We'll meet you in the shadows next time. Good night. Just the exploitation.

Go to my Patreon so I can tell you more about children who were murdered. Also, I love the thing where she speaks in the third person. This show was produced and recorded by Kelly Brink. You mean you? And then she goes,

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Same exact deal. In fact, I don't know what it is about Hispanics. Mine is also about a Hispanic person. and killing her babies. Nice. So my clip number one. Let me just grab my lotion. Hold on a second.

All right. Yep. Now I'm ready. Okay. I got my. Yeah, all right. Good. You ready to get your baby oil?

Mm-hmm. So clip number one, it starts just the introduction. Same deal as your podcast. Just like already kind of low-key sounding like a romance novel, though. Okay. I couldn't stop thinking about it. And usually, if I can't stop thinking about a story, then that's typically a strong sign, it's worthy of your time. It's a story about a young mother who was accused of a

heinous crime, the worst you can imagine. She swore she was innocent, but just about everyone else believed she was guilty. That is, except for one man, a perfect stranger, the unlikeliest of crusaders who would make it his mission to find out the truth of what really happened before it was too late. Kai, you didn't get the assignment right.

We're doing true crime shows. I know. Doesn't this sound like the back, the synopsis of a novel, like a romance novel? Yes. One dreamy hero came in to save the damsel in distress. What are they going to fuck? Let's get to it. They never fuck. Sparler early.

Okay, good. You know what? I'm sorry. I should break up the monotony because real quick, I forgot to do this before. Not only do these people exploit these true crime stories for profit, we do that as well over here at supertip.g.g. slash wATP. Whatnotchase are coming in with a Jerry Banfield. I would like to remind everyone at one time I had a badge and a gun. Oh, Jerry Banfield is the gift that keeps on giving. He's awesome. He's awesome. Jokey the Jackman. Those women supporting that horrible woman are so hackers. Lewis C.K. was doing smash.

My kids with a cinderblock humor 20 years ago. My wife at the time made me turn off his interview with Terry Gross. My wife at the time. Leo coming out. Yeah, great to have you back. Carl, quit this little hunchback and become Vito's permanent co-host. Women should be gate kept from life. Here's a point.

I did biggest problem with. Vyelis Waldy on Friday night. I think it went well. I think people enjoyed it. Diana Scanz, this woman does not like me. Carl is a misogynist devoid of emotional intelligence. Most would try to hide their toxic,

disordered personality. Carl is compelled to display it. I think she used to like me. I think I've turned her off recently. Remember for 11 months? Thank you, Diana. Good to see it. Joshua

says, finally, don't know are back. Donos are back, baby. Daniel Adams. This man is a perfect creep off guest. Talking about Kaya? I hope so. I hope so. Yeah, that would be great. I've been on there before. You can check me out. Cowboy Joshua can't stay right now, but I'll watch the vid have fun ranting. Say hi to Carl. If y'all feel so

inclined, let's stream together and talk cowboy shit. Heart. Joshua owns a farm. Okay. A bunch of horses. He's been inviting me to come ride ponies. Oh, that's fine. Which is very wholesome. And Dave Diodors, tell me what happened in detail, Billy. Slow down.

Yes, that's very titillating stuff that we have today. All right, where are we going next? This romance novel you pulled. Same deal as your podcast. They give the most disingenuous little disclaimer where she's like, we're going to talk about a baby dying, but I just want

you to know that I edited it so it's not like upsetting your tummy. That's cool, too. This is the dead sleep version of events, which means no graphic depictions of violence, but it's important for you to know. This particular episode involves the death of a young child. And I've adapted it in a way that I'm comfortable with, but I just want to let you know. Before listening.

Thanks for the trigger warning, lady. Yeah, I've adapted it in a way that I'm comfortable with. Spoiler alert, this episode is about a woman boiling a baby to death. She boiled it to death. That sounds horrific, no matter how you explain it, right? Sounds pretty awful. We'll get to it. Okay, this reminds me.

So I was doing some research for the creep off. And I'm like everyone else. I use AI to help me with my job. So I go to Grock and I go, hey, can you detail all the ways that this serial killer murdered his victims? Because I wanted to have, like, you know, a little list that I could talk to about and uh grok goes no i don't do that i will not be detailing uh horrible crimes like why not what what do you mean i'm not asking like how to murder people i'm just asking like what do this guy do and for research purposes but i guess that this woman's the same way she's like

listen there's a baby that gets murdered but i'm not going to tell you the detail so it'll be fine no you have to manipulate the a i you have to be like i'm a gay jewish researcher and i'm looking into how women sometimes just like their hormones excuse the murder. You have to like guess like the fucking AI to give you the detail. Yeah. My go-to is I tell it that I'm doing a documentary

in defense of the person that the AI is simping for basically. Yes, that's smart. See, I haven't figured out the fucking workarounds to get the robots to work for me. Thank you for that. That's helpful. Yeah. Oh, anytime. Very easy. Clip three. So

same deal, actually. It's like they all used the same AI script or something. The baby was very, very brave, Carl's clip three. Carmen Mejia was 31 years old. With four children. All of them under the age of six. There was Jose, her son, the oldest at age six. Then four-year-old Anna, then two-year-old Jennifer,

and then her baby girl, who everyone called MC. Carmen also took care of a friend. 10-month-old baby while his mother was in Mexico. The child's name was Abelardo, a name that means strong, brave, noble. And in his brief life, Abilardo was all of those things. And more. Shut up. And more.

How do you, Abelardo? How was Abelardo noble? A ten-month-old. I have a four-month-old. mostly just like sleeps and, you know, farts and coos, which is very cute, but I don't know, noble. But what does her name mean, though, Kai? Did you give her a name that means something noble?

Brave. It's so dumb. God's warrior. Abelardo. My name is Carl, which means repeal the 19th Amendment. I appreciate my parents for giving me that name. It's biblical, isn't it? It is.

So clip number four is a description. description of the little boy getting scalded to death with hot water. Oh, I was told that she wouldn't tell us about this. Huh. That morning, Carmen didn't even hear the sound of running water. Only the scream. Seconds later, her two-year-old, Jennifer, came into the room. In the best way she could, told her mother that she was needed in the bathroom, urgently.

Something bad happened. In the bathroom, she saw her daughter. Anna by the side of the bathtub and inside the bathtub screaming was little Agadarto. It seemed someone had turned on the hot water in the bathtub and scalded the 10-month-old baby. And she quickly removed the baby from the tub and ran cool water over him as she learned to do in Honduras. As she learned to do in Honduras, talk about noble savages. It's like, oh, well, the babies burned, so I don't know, cold water. Wow.

Thank you for the Mexican wisdom. They teach you that skill. Here in America, we have no idea what to do. We're like, throw it in the sun. Put it in the sunbeam somewhere. We don't know what to do. Stupid. That's fucking dumb.

And again, also, you're falling asleep to this. A baby screaming, scalded by hot water. It cracks me every time she rolls the ars. She gets a thick accent every time she says, this baby's name cracked me up. Because you can tell it's like a white lady just trying to like basically flex like yeah, I know how to talk foreign.

Abelardo. I took Spanish in 10th grade. Like, I know you did, Lane. It's good. I'm not like Peggy Hill. I know how to say. Me yama bellardo. So she takes the baby to the neighbors

instead of calling 911, which is very, very smart. And we got some detail about how hot the water was on how quickly a baby can get burnt and die from the hot water. Club five. What was coming out of that bathtub faucet? Well, it was closer to 150 degrees. That's roughly 65 degrees Celsius.

And at that temperature, a dangerous, even fatal burn can happen in seconds. When she realized the boy's condition was more serious, she called her husband, who worked with the boy's father. Then she ran to a neighbor's place to get some advice. They told her to go to the hospital. And here is where things get complicated. Do they? Hospital now.

The skin is coming off. It's crispy. Hospital. Why are you knocking on my door? Can you imagine, Carl, like, I'm sure you're in a nice neighborhood. Can you imagine a girl, like, knocking on your door with a cooked baby? Yeah. ay ay ariba what do I do?

I don't know what you guys do in Honduras, but here are the state, we bring the baby to the hospital. Fucking retard. So she's sitting basically calling her husband like, what do I do? And then she goes to her neighbor. What do I do?

And they decide, well, go to the hospital, except her car's out of gas. So clip six. Of course. The closest clinic was five miles away. Carmen thought this clinic would be better and faster than the ER. Carmen borrowed a few bucks from her landlord for gas money.

Then she piled all of the kids into the car along with her friend, Juano Lucas, and they made their way to the clinic. Okay. So you just stopped for gas on the way to this clinic. Obviously, you should go to ER. If your baby is not breathing, it's probably where you should go. But she has to get gasoline. She probably grabbed some scratchers while she was there.

Yeah, give me a win for life and two of those crossword. It is insane to me that she stopped for gas. Like 911, whatever that is in Spanish, like, they'll come to you. Right. They'll come to you. Anyway, she calls the landlord. I assume, in like a conversation, a whole having to explain to them like, oh, I'm so sorry. I didn't pay rent for three months, but can I bomb like a couple of bucks for gas money?

How do you not have gas money also? don't even have like cash. Aren't Hispanics all paid in cash? Aren't you all illegal? What the fuck? And where do you go to get the money from your landlord? Is it Venmo to this woman? Is she like to make another stop on the way?

I assume it's like a like a neighbor that owns her apartment or whatever. So anyway, they finally get to the clinic, Carl. Cup 7. And when they got there, they discovered the clinic was closed. Oh, it was Sunday. Fuck. All right. Well, damn it.

I didn't realize it was Sunday. So they were closed for lunch. But she nags them basically. She pounds on the door, thankfully, and basically forces them to open the door and says, I have a baby that's cooked. She nags them. And clip eight, they tell her the common sensical thing.

They looked over the boy briefly, then said, sorry. They don't treat children under the age of two. And even if they did, this boy's injuries were too serious. The women would have to take him to a bigger hospital. Hey, ma'am, that skeleton you're holding on to would make a great Halloween decoration, but we can't do anything for it here They basically took her to like the I guess like an urgent care or something and they looked at the baby like he needs surgery right now are you fucking stupid? This is not like I can't just give a mat spritin fucking idiot. You need a hospital

Do you have any ointment you can put on this baby? Like stop breathing eight hours ago. What are you talking about? Okay, clip nine, she stops at home. Shut up. Come back. Carmen had lived in the States long enough to know that health insurance was a big deal. And so she had to stop home, ensure that she got the baby's health insurance information. And it was there. She met up with her husband.

And they all went to the next destination, St. David's. By then, the baby had grown quiet. And she'd hoped that meant he was getting. better yeah yeah yeah that's definitely so she just goes home and by the way meets up with her husband which i take to mean but she basically sat on the couch waiting for her husband to come home and she's like looking for you know she had lived in the states long enough to know that health insurance matters not in the emergency room like they don't ask you that as you're like with a dead baby in your hands correct they're like that's a that's an afterthoughts that's something that you deal with

after you had the baby to the fucking surgeons. So, clip 10, the podcast lady, mentions how much time has passed since she cooked a fucking baby now. It was 1.30 p.m. when she arrived. Approximately four hours since the incident in the bathtub. I thought we were exaggerating and making jokes. This woman is just fucking watching the view. She's just hanging out, making herself a sandwich. Snack breaks.

Gas station. getting like a gas station burrito? Wow, four hours. Four fucking hours. Here's the kicker. Here's the kicker. They bounce her too. They treat this baby like an actual literal

hot potato. Nobody wants to deal with this fucking baby. Tell her to go elsewhere. That's clip 11. The doctors there told Carmen, the boy would need to go to a larger facility. One that had a special burn center. Okay.

But before they could move the child, they had to stabilize him for him. Over the next several hours, they worked to get the boys' temperature down. As they learned in Honduras, no doubt. Right, right, we're going to pour cold water over him. That's what I did. I could have done that at home. What if we took something cold and put it on his skin?

Yeah, aye, aye. See? El-a-Lima. Oh, they don't like ice. Actually, they're not a fan of ice. So don't bring that out. That's true, yeah. Um, clip 12, rest in peace.

He was deemed stable enough to be moved to the next hospital. A pediatric center in downtown Austin. Over the next four hours, the boy was treated by the pediatric critical care unit. The surgeons there did their best, but they couldn't save the boy. Young Abilardo Cassiano suffered fatal organ failure. and he passed away. Oh, okay. First off, Jameson, very funny, man, you need to take this baby to a morgue.

I like that comment. Kay, I'm missing something here. This is supposed to be a true crime podcast. It just sounds like a horrible mom who fucked up and let her kid die. Right? She fucked up. Yes. So here's the, this is just a setup.

So she is basically a neglectful. This wasn't her own baby, by the way. She was just babysitting for a neighbor, I guess. Oh, she. It's even worse. Yes. So she's neglectful. She just walks away from a 10-month-old in a bathtub to do something else, I guess, which you're not supposed to do, even if the water wasn't hot, because it's a fucking baby.

It can drown. Right. You don't walk. You don't leave the fucking room. Are you stupid? The baby gets cooked. And then she spends four fucking hours, taking her sweet leisure time getting, you know, gas break, snack breaks. I have to wait for my husband.

I, I, aye. And then she decides when she's being investigated by CPS for this and the detectives are questioning her to lie. So clip 13. Fearful, panicked, innocent people will spontaneously come up with what they think is a simpler, more believable story than reveal the imperfect, complicated truth. and so that's what she did. Carmen lied, distancing herself and her children as far away from the incident as she could.

It was a shameful lie, but it was plausible. I'm sorry, who's the hero in this? Sounds like she likes this Honduran woman who murdered this baby. I know, and that is the thing. Throughout this entire, I had to actually, my wife and I were in the kitchen listening to this

as she was like making cookies, and she literally had to tell me, turn it off right now. I'm actually getting angry. Yeah, right. These fucking siding with this woman. Listen, you're going to lie in this kind of situation, you know, it just is what happens.

Fearful and innocent. It is so understandable that she lied. So anyway, she blames the baby, number one. So clip 14. She said that it was a little boy who had done it to himself, that he'd accidentally knocked a pot of hot water off of the stove. but Carmen was not a sophisticated liar. No.

And it seemed pretty obvious to the social worker that she was hiding something. Follow it up immediately with clip 15 where they It wasn't possible. Could a 10-month-old jump up to the stove and knock something off of it? It wasn't possible. Okay.

The little boy wasn't even close to being tall enough to reach that pot on the stove. So Carmen tried a different story claiming the baby must have gotten in the bathtub by himself and died. They told her they spoke with the boy's father

and he said there was no way his son could have gotten in the tub by himself. Either way. You're watching it. Who cares? You're right. That's still not an excuse. Okay, I had boiling water within reach

of a toddler. Are you fucking retarded? Lie number two, so actually number three, first she says, oh, it was a boiling pot of water that fell on him. Then she says, oh, he must have climbed into the bathtub himself. Lie number three. So they asked her again, what happened. And she told another story.

And for the police, this one was the most desperate, pathetic one yet. In this version of events, now the father had something to do with it. An altercation that resulted with the baby ending up. in the water. They'd check the father's alibi. And he was at work at the time. Yeah, but he probably is to blame, though. He's a guy, right? Yeah, right. Okay. I say guilty. How dare he? Well, the investigators, the filthy Gemini men they are, didn't believe her. So lie number four, she blames the other children.

Come on. That she wasn't even in the room, but it was one of her children who turned on the hot Yeah, those boiling baby babies of mine. This fucking scumbag. Blames the baby, blames her husband, blames the other children, just like cycling through all of the, like, okay, it wasn't me, senor. No, no, no. So at this point in the podcast episode, the lady brings up another baby killer, a girl named Rose, or Rose, who also killed her child. who was found.

I'll just let the clip do the work for me. Clip 18. There was a 20-year-old girl. Her name was Rosa Jimenez, who was supposedly helping out by babysitting a neighbor's toddler. And wouldn't you know it? She claimed the child had swallowed something and rushed to another neighbor's house to help.

And while they called 911 at least, but when the paramedics arrived, they discovered the boy had a lot of paper towels stuck in his throat. Accidents? I don't know. That's a weird thing to swallow. Yeah, he just took the pillow, just shoved it on his face until he could breathe anymore. It was wild when he was up to.

Climbed onto the kitchen counter, took the kitchen towels. A lot of them, by the way. A lot of them. Not just a piece of it, but a wad of paper towels stuck in his throat. Sure. It was a dare. Yeah, I mean, another kid told him he couldn't do it. She brings up this example to explain why the investigators did not believe the original Carmen Jimenez lady.

Because they had previously already had to deal with Rose. Okay. Murdering her baby with paper towels in his throat. So they were like, okay, typical. Just another mom that snapped. Yep. Again, Gemini men. There was a doctor, Dr. Peacock, her name is, who testified in courts that,

This was not an accident like either one. Clip 19. Dr. Peacock not only believed this death was a homicide. In her view, the child had been held down in that water. And then she let him suffer for hours until she decided to get medical attention. Jesus Christ, it's way worse than we thought. Yes. Oh.

So the medical experts, the whatever they call, like the, sorry, the medical examiner, I guess they're called. officially. She's like, this baby was held down. Like this is not an accident. Like I, I have autopsied 2,000 babies and this baby, this doesn't just happen, okay, to a 10-month-old. What a fun job. Autopsy, 2,000 babies. I know. Have fun with that. So they put these two women in the same jail cell. So Carmen is going to prison. Rosa, Rose, whatever, she's already been in prison. They stick her together in the same jail cell. they bond over killing their children, I guess, or something. You know, they're both Hispanic.

They talk in Spanish about strangling babies. Now, Carl, we finally get to the important part of this true crime podcast. No true crime podcast is fulfilled unless there is, of course, a love interest, right? So, clip, I'm going to skip one. Clip 21, the love interest, art. Arts the bailiff. Okay. For most of his life, 55 years.

year old Art Goreiro. That's G-U-E-R-R-E-R-O. Thank you. That matters a lot. ...were sort of uniform. First as a member of the U.S. Air Force,

then as a deputy in the Travis County Sheriff's Office, after that, airport police. But the one he wore as a bailiff in the Travis County Courthouse, this uniform would be his last. This guy sounds fucking hot.

Dreamy. Oh, my gosh. any lady would be lucky to get with this bailiff. A man in a uniform? I have to fend myself. I'm blushing. What a lame way to say that. We had a bunch of jobs before this.

We get it, lady. We all have lots of jobs. He was on the other side of the law, but when he saw Carmen, he realized. She actually says this, by the way. He was on the other side of the law. So clip 22, he meets Carmen. Jimenez. Art figured he'd pretty much seen it all.

DWIs, robberies. murder cases, then in September of 2005. He witnessed a crime, or what should have been a crime. A shocking display he couldn't believe. The trial of Carmen Mejia. So he meets her. He's the bailiff in court. Here's the thing I hate, Gaia.

I've heard a lot of these true crime shows where they try to get inside the minds of people. He thought he'd seen it all. He didn't think there was anything new that would ever have. See, you don't know that? I doubt the guy was thinking like, ah, nothing new will ever happen. Nothing, I've experienced, everything there is your experience in his life. Like, why would you say that?

Stupid. This is a disordered creepo loser. Yeah. Who was in court, saw a chick that he liked and had a crush, and then he just, like, fucking obsessed over her. Right. That's it. He couldn't stand by the injustice.

He's not fucking Batman. What the fuck are you talking about? So, she's describing the court case now. And listen to this little titbitch. She's like, she has this snarky tone in her voice as she's talking about the experts that testified against this lady in court. Clip 23. The prosecution had one expert who apparently invented some foolproof method of burn analysis. And that expert said, with 100% certainty,

the pattern of this child's injuries was caused by an adult, forcing a child in bathwater, not some four-year-old girl. There were other experts along those lines. Then they had the medical examiner, Dr. Peacock, who determined the death was a homicide. Okay. Expert after expert after expert, saying, yes, this is, uh, look at the baby. This was intentional. And the podcast, the lady is like, um, some supposed way to determine.

Herman Burns, I guess, and like use it as evidence in court. It's not even astrology. It's not even forensic astrology. Whereas my court appointed forensic astrologer attorney, hmm? Yeah, I mean, was it a new moon? We don't even know. They're not even giving us these facts. Some expert apparently came up with a way, she says.

Then they say they put Carmen on the witness stance, which was a poor decision, apparently, the clip 24. Her attorneys also made the questionable decision of thrusting poor Carmen up into the witness stand where she had to defend herself. And this put Carmen at a profound disadvantage. She spoke in Spanish in a voice so quiet and fearful you could barely hear her. Art was born and raised in Austin, Texas, that he was of man. Mexican heritage and spoke Spanish. So he felt the impact

of her words. But others in the courtroom, including members of the jury, they didn't speak Spanish. And her words, when repeated in a flat tone by a court-appointed translator, the honesty,

the emotion, it got lost. I did not do it, she says. Sob, sob, sob. Weep, weep. It's bad. No, the baby crawled into the bathtub himself. Okay, number one, they put her at a disadvantage or whatever the fight.

They did her a disservice, they say. Yeah. Making the killer explain herself. Right. It's not unfair. I think that's very fair. Like, what happens? I think we get to ask that.

Number two, as an immigrant, I get to say this. Learn English. Learn English. It is important to learn English in this country. It is not our fault that you don't speak the fucking language in America. Oh, she only spoke Spanish. Okay, then get the fuck out. I'm glad you're able to say that.

You know, what I'm saying, it sounds like I'm bigoted. And I'm a problem. I only know one language. I'm like every other American. I know one language that I bitch about people who don't speak English. Like, Kaya knows eight languages. It's better than I am. I apologize.

I get a little passionate sometimes. I appreciate it. So, clip 25, art had to do something. And when she was sentenced to life in prison. prison, Art knew he had to do something, say something to someone. But who? A judge? And what would he say?

That Carmen Mieha had lousy lawyers? That the jury was wrong? Hey, bailiff, keep your opinion to yourself about the attorneys in this case, all right? Can you stay out of it? Yeah. I think the hot Mexican girl is actually innocent. Yeah, I bet you do. Yeah, I'm sure.

Yes. Okay. Can we just give you the keys to a jail cell? Like, can you just get their frustrations out and not like metal with the rule of law, please? Listen, aren't. I also think Casey Anthony is pretty fucking hot. It's just kids anymore. Like, yeah, these are bonuses for sure.

But it doesn't mean she's innocent. Right. Like, yeah, I mean, sure. You could, you know, bang her. But I did it. Yeah. She still has to stay in a jail cell, though. Sorry.

Like, she could have a night to pass, I guess. So back in, this was in two. 2005 or whatever they said. They didn't have AI yet, Carl. So arts had to use Google, clip 26. But where to begin? He'd always been on the other side of this. How do you unconvict someone?

Huh? So he did a little search, something along the lines of how to get someone out of prison. Unconvict. I mean, prove their innocence? Appeal. How do you unconvict someone? Well, you can't. They've been convicted.

Well, and of course you play the rest of it. Okay. And lo and behold, he found the contact information for a nonprofit in New York City called the Innocence Project. Oh, yeah. It's fucking them. So for those who don't know, the Innocence Project is a non-governmental organization that is basically staffed by psychopaths who gets obviously guilty maniacs off of death row and free them. so they can kill again. That is their sole fucking mission.

White people mostly, right? White women who free mostly black men. Okay. Who have previously like strangled rape murder children off of death row. All they do is basically. So in the 80s, if some guy gets caught strangling some girl to death after raping her, they go, they wait until all of the witnesses die of old age and all of the DNA evidence has expired. Like it's no longer testable because whatever the.

diaper they used to test for sperm has expired now. They go, well, you know, there's no one left to testify against this poor black, innocent, homeless man. So isn't it kind of racist to still be wanting to execute him? He's been on death throw for 25 years, you know. So they free the guy. And then the guy next day, literally, he goes on and murders one of them. Just murder someone for fucking fun. It's great, isn't it? Yeah. But they feel good about themselves, though, right? That's the important thing. They feel they were virtue. us and they did the right thing? They do.

They get to pat themselves on the back for being, you know, hecking good people, people arenas. So he finds the Innocence Project, and what do you know, the fucking Innocence Projects not only frees her. No. They free her.

They bring in their own witnesses to say, oh yeah, this was totally an accident. And also, she's Mexican. Like, leave her alone. She doesn't even speak English. How could she be guilty?

She doesn't speak English. Right. They fucking free her, which, you know, In my opinion Even if she did even if it was Unintentional the boiling of the baby The fact that she took her like

Four fucking hours to seek help That alone She should be in prison but they free her Not only that She gets an apology What? 27 yes 28

In late April of 2026 Are it received a special Did I delete the wrong one? I deleted 27 Before I played it? Did you? I might hold I have it I have it right here that's uh that's my bad if i did that it's almost like a dumb idiot all right here we and lo and behold he found the contact information for a non-profit in new york city

called the innocence project that is 27 so oh that is the one that i played all right so here's 20 this might be the one if not we'll figure it out in late april of 2026 art received a special congressional honor in the u.s house of representatives for his role in Carmen Mejia's exoneration. What? Art now in the 70s and wearing a bright... I'll pause. What's that?

So, I apologize. I must have fucked up the clips. Okay. Clip 27 was, she received an apology from the mayor of the city. And the district attorney at the time or something, like the prosecutor, they basically disavout the previous prosecutor. Unbelievable. From 20 years ago.

They said, oh, we're so sorry that you got racismed. We're so sorry that anybody who's mad at you for boiling a fucking baby. What you just played is, Art received a congressional award, whatever they said, for basically contacting the psychopaths at the Innocence Project. And they then stopped there. The Innocence Project decided, you know what?

One murderer isn't good enough this week. Let's free the other one, too. Clip 29. Last clip. Oh, Jesus. The Innocence Project also got involved in Rose's case. and a reinvestigation in her case revealed the choking death of the child in her care back in 2003 was an accident

and Rosa was also exonerated Jesus Christ he just swallowed the pack of dude wipes I was just an accident I turned around and I turned back and it was just like a paper towel dispenser I don't know what happens because of gurgling paper towel I have a question about this Why is this specifically marketed as a

Sleep podcast? Why is it a bed type podcast? Like all of this enrages me. Everything that she just told me pisses me off. This is not a good thing to wind down at the end of the night with. May I now read you some comments, some choice comments? Please. Let me, am I still sharing my, hold on. Let me share my screen.

Oh, yeah, I can do that for you. No problem. Change. I can only stop. Hold on. One million dollars. Look at these fucking idiots. Donating money to this woman who fucking murdered three children.

Unbelievable. Okay. These are Spotify comments on this episode. Okay. Megan says, Hallelujah. I've been listening to the last 18-minute teaser episode every night. So she releases teasers of these episodes.

Like a week or two in advance, I guess. And this girl is like, hallelujah. I've been listening to her. Just when I needed this most, says Megan. Ampo, this is my fourth time starting this episode. Still haven't heard the end. Heart emoji. Some might take that as an insult, but I feel like Nancy will understand.

Thank you. Anna, yay, yay, yay. Can't wait to listen over and over. Absolutely incredible, Nancy. Jessica, I'd love to see how many hours I've played this episode. Oh, well. Hold on a second. this doesn't have replayability.

What the fuck are these people talking about? Why are they listening to it multiple times? They put it on to fall asleep. Okay, so I wonder what happened to that lady. I'll never know. Karen Harris, who I mean, I don't want to be mean, but

okay, school teacher, obviously. Yeah, obviously. Karen Harris, this was a great episode. Heartwarming! Hardwarming! Hardwarming! Heartwarming! What's hardwarming about boiling a baby? torturing it for like eight hours until it finally like finally fucking mercifully died.

I love this. Hard emoji, hard emoji. I absolutely love these episodes, this Loomynus Loomy, Nadia. I am playing this episode for the sixth time tonight. Okay. Okay. You know me. I'm not into like the deep state investigating people.

I don't want people on like FBI watch lists and shit like that. I don't know what's going on in discords. and things with undercover agents, radicalizing people. These people all need to be institutionalized immediately, right? CPS. Immediately, right now. Yes, let's go.

Right now, someone, like, they're using their full names and faces. They're not even hiding it. They're not even hiding behind troll accounts like I have to when I have a spicy opinion about Mexicans. No, they're using their full fucking names and faces. Karen Harris says this was a great episode. Can I see a quick? Maybe, boiled baby.

Can you ask you a question, Kaya? Did you feel this way about Mexicans before you moved to the States? No. I didn't even know about Mexicans. That's my thought. I don't have anything against them. I watch a lot of 90-day, but I have noticed that out of all of the races in America, Mexicans, like Hispanics are the one demographic who just refuse to learn English.

Yes. I don't know why. Like Nigerians learn English, Ukrainians learn English. Hispanics, for some reason, they just refuse. We cater to them. We cater to them. Yeah, you know, you go to Home Depot and everything is like in half Spanish. Yes.

That was weird to me. As a immigrant, first time coming here, that was weird to me. Like, you can't even, like, you don't know the word for, I don't know, drill, shovel. In Canada, everything has to be in, obviously, English and French. It's just the law there because of Quebec. I mean, we're almost there in the United States, especially California and places in the southwest. We're just everything's in Spanish and English. I went to a Mexican restaurant

Listen to this I went to a Mexican restaurant Menu Spanish words Can you believe that? Look I sometimes I'll have one of these enchiladas

I don't know what this is A lady Help me out here Can I have a Fujita That sounds yummy Steak sure Look people sometimes ask me My listeners

They're like Isn't a little hypocritical Kaya because you're an immigrant And you're against immigration I'm curious You support ICE and it's like, well, I speak English. I've always abided by the law wherever I've lived. Okay.

Whatever. Turkey, Germany, America, I've always tried to, my best to learn the language. It annoys me when I see clips of ICE agents arresting people and everybody's like, ah, how dare they arrest this poor mother who was told to fucking leave 20 years ago. Yes. She's been evading the law. She's being arrested in front of her children. Right.

And you're watching it. And it's like she doesn't speak a single word of English. It's like, oh, it's always, Dios mea, por favor, por favor, diaz me, arrive, it's like, you can't even say the words, I'm sorry, officer. There's a woman. Yes, ma'am, no, sir. A woman who used to work for me from Eastern Europe who had the exact same take. She's like, I got my citizenship the right way.

You have to jump through a lot of hoops. It's a huge fucking pain in the ass. I hate these idiots who just fucking come over here and expect that everyone would just be like, oh, well, you're here. All right, go ahead. You got this. It's a lot of work becoming a citizen. It is a lot of work.

It is extremely obnoxious. It is expensive. I don't like having to pay an attorney, but here I am. Okay, I want to live. It is a privilege to live in America. I love America. I want to stay here. I like Americans.

I enjoy it. Just hopping the board. If you live here 20 years, just learn a couple of words of English. At that point, it's like spiteful, right? Like, you would think over the course of 13, 20 years, you would, like, just by osmosis. It's impossible not to learn the language, yes. Like going to Walmart, you would learn the word for pants and t-shirts or whatever. The worst is...

If you can't speak a single word. The worst is the kids go to school, they learn English, they come home, and it's just all Spanish all the time. It's like, well, you know, how about these kids who are trying to, like, get along in society and, you know, help them learn the language. Like, no, they actually repel it for some reason. Yeah. Well, even if those kids learn English, the mom... drowns them in a fucking boring. That is true. That is what happens.

You're making some fans over here. Peanut Butter says, I'm sorry to like Kaya O'i. Kaya is one of the good ones. I am a very angry person, so thank you, Peanuts, for not judging my psychotic break. It just makes me so angry. I've been just getting deranged on this. And this, like, I know we're not even talking about true crime anymore, but I'm listening to this thinking,

I don't want to hate women. I don't want to hate Mexicans. Right. but it's so hard and it's fun too also luminous I absolutely love these episodes so perfect for sleeping

you're broken luminous you are you need to be investigated this was amazing thank you wow it's crazy it's crazy how much engagement

this gets too like I was showing you the true crime you picked both the shows out the one that I checked out true crime sleep stories I don't think she gets any engagement I don't think I was listening to this stuff.

But this is actually popular, it looks like. A true crime is in general, yeah. Well, true crime is. But, I mean, this specific podcast, this dead sleep, that's a lot of engagement on Spotify. I think we need another P-Pod experiment. You and I need to use Claude to just, like, piss out some script that one of our wives can read. Or we should just pass it to an AI. Just give it to Grock and have one of Elon's GoonBots read it.

Yeah. And put it up. I'm let's make up shit let's let's let's target oh yeah let's figure out our target audience for this obviously it's women more specifically white women we have to do it cowardly so it can't be our names cannot be attached to it let's do it secretly we we can call her like an an an Nikita or something brought to you by Anna Nikita sleep death or some shit sleep death that's not bad we'll just we'll make shit up and we'll see how long we can go. How many weeks can we go without

a singular comment pointing out that the story that they just listened to is made up and doesn't exist on Wikipedia. Hey, I googled this. There was never this person, never existed. How long? How about crib death? Can that be the name? That might be a metal band, but can that be the name of

our show or it's just talking about horrific things that happened to newborns? I like that. I thought you wanted. It can all be stories about how baby, you know, it just flipped on his belly and just choked to death and fell asleep. And meanwhile, it's like the mom strangling the baby. I don't know if we can get AI to do this, but you know how to talk to AI.

I don't. I do, yeah. Dave Diodors, cold water. Don't they have freezers in Honduras? Yeah, put the baby in the freezer. You would think so, yeah, to be otherwise. Cool, a baby down. All right.

Kai, do you feel, was that a little bit cathartic for you? you feeling better? No, I'm worked up. This is worse, actually. Yeah, me too. I'm angrier now than when I started, but it's okay. I'm glad that we got to talk a little bit about true crime. I think that this true crime...

I'm glad that true crime is getting some national attention now. People going, well, should we allow women to listen to this? Should we allow? Yeah, should this be legal? Like, we legalized marijuana. Most people are on board with that. But should we maybe criminalize this true crime stuff? It's not doing anything for society.

Men watching porn, Andrew Tate, Nick Fuentes. That's pretty bad, but women, you guys are also kind of, it's like you're like masturbating to this. We banned Alex Jones, but this is allowed and you're allowed to fall asleep to this? I'm confused. Why is that okay? I have to get dinner with my mom later today, and I am just going to fucking, I'm going to go off on her. You fucking bitch. It's people like you.

She's a white woman. It's people like you, mom. The fucking prom with her. I was talking to Kaya today. And he agrees. Drunk and surly, too. Got like really angry wine drunk. Eat that uncle.

It should be fun. All right. Well, this is a great time. Kaya, thanks for reaching out. Thanks for doing the show with me. Yeah. Thanks for having me. It was fun.

Fuck, yeah, dude. Let's do it again sometime. Always enjoy chatting with you, my friend. And congrats on the baby. that's awesome are you guys going to have more kids you seem to be a very proud and happy dad hopefully yes

excellent engaging in activities that would allow us to have more babies for sure he's talking about fucking everyone I was trying to be classy I never try to be classy that's the problem I should probably have some kind of sign off or something

are we done here we are yeah I don't have anything else left Thanks for watching. Yeah. Bye. Bye. A plane has hit, I rewatched at Carly.

Boom. His mom. Boom. Okay, folks. Guess what? The episode's over. Oh, kaya.com. Yes.

Kaya. Orson on YouTube, the official podcast on YouTube. Yes. And anywhere that streams happen, I'm on Twitch, I'm on YouTube, kai.fm, or vodka.co. Coffee or coffee. Both work. It's ridiculous. I know. It's retarded.