Who Are These Podcasts? - WATP/Shuli Show Crossover - Analyzing the Stuttering John Lawsuit 2.0

Episode Date: March 25, 2022

Stuttering John has once again threatened to sue me, Karl, the host of Who Are These Podcasts. The way he did it this time though was so comical we decided to make an episode about it. He started texting Vinnie, John's own former attorney, asking if he was going to represent Shuli and/or myself in a copyright infringement suit. Oh, and he also asked for Shuli's address. I'm pretty sure most lawsuits don't start with an angry drunk texting a random attorney with threats to third-parties. But hey, as you'll hear, I know very little about the law. All things Shuli: https://shalomshuli.com/ https://whoarethese.com/ Support us and get bonus episodes: http://bit.ly/watp-patreon https://watp.supercast.tech/  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Who are these podcasts? W-A-T-P. It's an impromptu crossover event. Who are these podcasts? The Shuley Show. And of course, our mutual friend Vince, the attorney, joining us today because of some recent events that came up this week.

Well, you should change your name, Vince, to Vince the text receiver instead of Vince the attorney, because you've been doing more of that the last few days and than the actual cases. Vince has been called upon to scare us into hiding, surely. Yeah. Yeah. You have to do job in this world. So to give everyone an idea of what the hell these guys are talking about, I've been getting texts from how call the person starting Juan, because I don't want to reveal any identities. I don't represent anyone in this case or potential case, and I'm not giving any legal advice. That's my disclaimer, but stuttering Juan, user imagination, I do that might be.

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this matter or not litigate this matter if potentially possible. That sounds good. So Esau has done me the favor of sharing the video with me that I have right here. And this is the video that now this is actually Stuttering John. So it's no one that we're talking about on this episode. What you're going to see here. And this is so funny. It's just a random spot that I paused it. Always looking like you're shitting. Always, always, every time, like, like it's the shit that's gonna take him out. So what happened was,

Shule just put out an episode recently where him and Esau watched this video of John talking about Shule from his beer on the balcony show. Now beer on the balcony, as we all know, is behind a pay while you gotta subscribe on YouTube or Patreon in order to see this amazing content. Let's see what kind of content we're talking about. Back to the beginning.

Now we're gonna do just a very brief thing on Shuley Egar. Shuley, let me just say something to you. I don't really know you. I put you through on the phone plenty of times with Stern. All right, so you get the idea. You've already commented on this, obviously. We don't have to rehash anything. But this is a video from Bear on the Bulkeneed that we were able to find on Reddit, pretty

easily somebody posted it up on the dab or anonymous subreddit. So that would be the first issue. Was this video that both are YouTube playing or the hypothetically Mule and Carlos? Let's say Mule and Carlos get a video. Did they get the video from the paywall? Did they pay for it and then post it or was it posted in the public domain and they were able to get it down?

And does that matter? Potentially not. Most likely it doesn't. Obviously, if Muleouli stole the video from John, he's facing criminal action, which is not really what we're talking about. If we're talking about infringement, it really doesn't matter technically. So if it surely would be facing criminal charges, but if he uses the video in a fair use manner, then he wouldn't be facing potentially infringement charges copyright infringement civil case.

Right. This isn't the Pamela Randerson take. You know, this is different. This is something that's available to you. Yeah, this is something that's available to all. If you are, you know, privy to a thing called the internet. You know, I mean, that would be my fence. It's not my world.

That's more your world. But that's something I would say in court. Well, I told Stuttering Juan that at least I didn't think Mouli or Carlos were thieves. So I didn't know what he was talking about. So this is a video that he's playing on the names. I'll tell you that. This is the video. He claims that that's being used and that his copyright is being infringed upon

Yeah, this is the specific video and I think what you said was not just we weren't thieves, but that we aren't hackers I think you made it pretty clear. They were not hacking as a cow to order to get this this content from him Right, so then I mean in terms of criminal charges, assuming Mule and Carlos didn't steal it themselves, let's say someone did steal it and then posted it online, then if either of them did a show with it and it's within the fair use standards, then it's perfectly fine.

There's no criminal action. And I apologize. I keep saying myself, Shule, I was actually talking about Carlos and Muley. It's my advantage. Yeah, it's a friends we know. The friends we call us, yeah. And I'm curious.

So it sounds like Carlos and Muley because we found this on the internet. It's okay to transformatively use this for our show, for our content. What about the person who actually put it up on Reddit? Does, does Stuttering Juan have a case against that person? Potentially for conversion, which would just be theft and has nothing to do with Mulean and Carlos assuming that you guys, those guys had nothing to do with actually stealing it.

So it's a non-issue in terms of copyright infringement. Yeah, because you'd have to go after every single person other than Mulean Carlos, who have seen this video and possibly done a reaction video to it, which correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't talked to my attorney many, but I'll ask you, wouldn't that be fair use to react to something online, to make a video?

I see quite a lot of those. online to make a video. I see quite a lot of those. Assuming that the reaction is within this standard set fourth by the courts for fair use, which most likely would be, then yes. So the theory is that if you create something, someone's not just a read broadcasting it without adding anything to it. Correct. Yeah, because it's interesting because I've seen people talk about Marvel movies and now Marvel movies owned by Disney, a pretty large corporation, deep pockets, a lot of attorneys on staff. You would think that if they were doing something illegal by playing clips, then commenting on

it, that they would get sued and do oblivion. The issue really guys is that there's only been a handful of cases, but the most recent case came down where a YouTuber was sued by another YouTuber for reacting to their video. And if, if, if, starring one would just read that case, it's who son Zade, who songs a day, it's a Persian name, V Klein, and basically exactly what you just said, they were sued by a YouTuber and the court said that you were reacting to it, you were adding something to it. Therefore, it's not a copyright infringement. So that's in the legal terms. That's a real pop-up Right between your fingers.

Just falls crumbles. There's a legal precedent to Pope Poppac reference. I don't know what that means. It might be, it will explain it offline. It's fine. It's no big deal. The people need to know what it means,

know what it means. And that's all that matters. Well, it's interesting because I do know oven attorney named Bupak and This specific attorney is in a lawsuit with serious xm and It just went to oral arguments with the panel of three judges. I happen to listen to that and what they kept saying to him over and over again Is that there's no legal precedent?

He didn't cite any cases that showed where there was legal precedent for the right of publicity that this is actually Stuttering John, I'm talking about now, not a fictitious character, but Stuttering John is trying to sue serious exam for right of publicity. And the judge has said, we don't see any other cases where this has been used and been successful. So it seems like if you can't find

something, many, that people have used in the past for, for what, Southern Juan is threatening, then maybe it's not a good move on his part. Yeah, and to be clear, regarding the, the series XM case, I can't, I can't comment on that for various reasons. I shouldn't, but I do. Right. No, you guys can do whatever you want. I just happen to have some special connection to it. So I just can't, but in reality, I'm a dealer. I cry myself to sleep every night, hoping that they call me back.

So I will not comment on that. Well, I'll say, I'll say this. Think about the, the interns that weren't getting paid for all those years on the show. Sure. Then were they actually signing away their rights to use their work? Most of them weren't.

Now, I don't like California law. I love New York law for cases like that. So assuming that someone didn't actually sign anything, that's what New York requires here. I don't know what attorney, I don't know anything that John did, subsequent to me and him potentially even thinking about something like this.

But to me, the people that work there and never sign the way they're right, and if they're still using their work today, potentially they have a case under New York law. I don't know anything about California. Yeah, well, that's not the angle that this particular pair that have teamed up for this are going after they're using California law to write a publicity. But it is interesting because they were sued by music groups because they were playing all these songs on the 50s and 60s channel and these

musicians said, you know, well, we're not getting any royalties for you guys playing our songs every single day. And they won. And so for example, I know comedians that, you know, have that get paid via the comedy channel on series playing their work. So I kind of see that, you know, let's say somebody worked there. Let's say they worked there for 15 years, you know? Let's say every now and then some of their bits get played on best stuff.

You know, I don't know. It's a little gray area there. As much as I hate to side with Stuttering Juan, but let's be honest. They don't ever play stuttering one stuff. There's no, also, I should make the comment that copyright for music is very different than any other form of entertainment. That's very strict. You can't run four seconds of a song on YouTube without there being a copyright infringement, whereas you can play 10 seconds of a movie or 20 seconds of another video and it's fine. You can have transformative, but with music you cannot do that.

It's very different. Yeah, it makes sense too, right? Because what can you really add to a song while it's actually playing? Well, yeah, in that case it makes us, unless you're doing a sweet mashup like Kid Rock, that obviously you're making it your own. Yeah, true.

Yeah, true. All right, so let's get into this hypothetical text string that we recently were made aware of, because it's interesting that someone who wants to bring up a legal case would start by maybe threatening said legal case as opposed to just serving the papers necessary. Right. To get started.

So whatever would call is referring to is that I received the text messages from somebody and they were asking if I represented Mule and Carlos and I said I wasn't and then proceeded to give me more information about the case and then when I had Reference that you probably don't have a case then that person didn't want to talk to him anymore and then I told that person New phone who this? I know what's cool. When I said the John, I said, John, the best thing about you is, I'll tell you that you're

too sensitive. And then you'll tell me that you're not sensitive. And then you will completely disregard what you said. And you become sensitive again in terms of blocking people. And I think like for us, part of John's charm is that he doesn't understand that aspect of his life Right, I mean like if he was if he if it let's say you listen to me to block anyone and react and I don't think John Would be that fun and you wouldn't be you wouldn't have a 5,000 subscribers call because what else would you do? I mean I only watch the videos where you make fun of John

what you do. I mean, I only watch the videos where you make fun of John. That's what the other one. Let me watch is listen, you know, I mean, he, he brought out something in me that I've been sitting on for a while where I'm just like, I'm not going to react to this guy. I don't need to. He needs me to. And then finally, I was just like, he wore me down and I'm just like, I'm going to react. And I'm just like, I'm gonna react and I'm gonna say something here that I didn't think I'd ever say, is you know me, I'm all heart, I'm a very positivity kind of guy. But it felt good.

Well, I really liked it. I miss it. What did you actually say? I said a lot. I said, what was the main, your main argument against some or main put down? You know, for example, in that video, he talks about how he doesn't know me.

He doesn't know me other than putting my callster and it's like He knows me like he knows me and he's and he's acting and then he proceeds much like every troll They go, I hate you your show sucks And then they tell you every show that you've done and every part of every show and every line that you've said So he's sitting here trying to take this high road of the I don't know you I've never fucked with you I've never started anything with you and I'm like going into my phone and there's DMs of him going Why are you such a pussy like out of the blue? That's his hello to me Yeah, and ironically what you brought up a minute ago, Vince, is so funny because

I, this guy that started this made these videos calling me out has blocked me on Twitter. He blocked me. Yeah. And I want to point to me out, Vince, to your point. We made fun at Suthering John's show four years ago on who are these podcasts and like most shows that we do we just moved on His reaction to us just kind of goofing out I'm saying his show sucked was that we're nobody's and we're losers And so we play that react to do that next thing. Oh, he's gonna sue us He's gonna break our legs and this is what's really that's why we like him right? That's why he's engaging because he over reacts and this is what's really that's why we like it right that's why he's engaging because he overreacts he's been frustrating it is you know frustrating is when a nobody says you're nobody that's why I

said it to him in my last episode because I want to piss him off he actually here's the thing because I mean he's right about you know you're not you know loser but in the end John has has made it in this industry the entertainment industry. He was on network television. So I don't think anyone really has all of us has. Let's, I mean, can we put a little, a little asterisk next to the on, I mean. I'm sorry, the odds of him, anyone making it to that level.

I know he doesn't have necessarily the financial success, but he has made it compared to everyone that's making fun. 100% right. You're right. I just want to say the best thing about Vince is that he trolls you when he's on the show with you. He did that when he was John sidekick. He did that to me when I hit him on the show. He's doing it to us now. That's what I love about Vince. Like that's what makes it fun. That's what makes the conversation fun. I don't know why John fired you from that role because you were great as his side.

He's great. Yes. Great. Many, many is a, men's in is a real prick. Don't deal with that. As a problem. Yeah. Yeah. And that's, that's the thing with John is my personal and my stick would never work with, with his because I will go against him. I just heard him saying, and maybe Shule, you can get a

reaction. I guess how would saying that everyone in the grand old party, any Republican now is crazy for the most part. And before you react, I'll say that I have years and years of audio from Stern. He's always been a general election Democrat, no matter what. Except for right after 9-11 he wanted the bomb everyone he was with Bush but for the most part actually for all the part he is a democrat in terms of general election not local the presidential election he has always been a democrat which is common amongst long island Jews not Las Vegas Jews so it's not something that's uncommon so now he's bashing people

for being Republican, basically saying that if you're a Republican, you're, you're crazy. Oh, Senator John might sue him. That's his stick. Well, that's a John started. If he, John listed and named the 100 people that are in his chat room, then he said, I don't usually agree with Howard Stern, but I think that the GOP, all of you in the GOP is crazy. Yeah, that's his whole thing now. He's probably something Howard's sort of stole that from him. I've heard him say that before.

I don't care, he's listening to my show and then telling him what to say. You know, we're in such a crazy time in this world where you got all these people on both sides that are all crazy. And then today I see on Twitter a video from the rapper Red Man, who I've been listening to since I was 16, telling everybody, stop watching the news and stop picking aside and just fucking go out and live life. picking aside and just fucking go out and live life. And it's crazy to me how, how like just, we just world pooled into this fucking thing, man,

and people are so deep, they're so far, how we're talked about filling potholes with executed fucking prisoners as one of his running platforms in New York. Like, you know, I get that people change and people evolve, but fuck man, you know, he made such a hard left and he's all in now. He's like, I don't give a fuck if I lose, let's say 40% of my audience because they're

Republicans. Fuck them. Like he's just, he's all in. Well, the math's pretty easy. No, but the math's pretty easy on this one, Julie. That would be 40 people. So I think that's fine. I don't know.

They didn't, they still haven't worked out a whole ratings thing there yet, but they're working on it. So my friend and my bit, yeah, I want to get the actual ratings for the show now, like the real ratings, how many people actually watching? And my friend works in the IT department there, I high up, but he still won't reveal that information to me. Yeah, you got to get put into the mix. If you want those numbers, dude, you're going to have to have some Russian cyber action going on because they ain't looking to share those anytime soon. I'll tell you that.

I do know this, Vince, because there was that article that came out in the New York post. And probably a year and a half ago now, it was a pretty big deal when it came out. And what was cited in that is that they did a survey of people who have a subscription to Sirius XM and fewer than 10% of those people said they subscribed to For Howard Stern. And if you had taken the same survey in 2007 or 2012, you're going to be over 90%. So the audience is definitely shrunk quite a bit. And that's just that's listening on serious right even even another example. I did one episode of your mom's house. Yeah. And that YouTube video has more hits than all of my YouTube videos from the show that I've been on in clips or whatever to promote put together all of them just one episode so

I know they're trying that's that's their like big thing to get people you know to get the online but like you can't do that by turning off comments and and not letting people say what they want to say oh serious doesn't allow you to comment on their Twitter account? No, I don't know. Instagram, but Twitter account, you can't a starting show count in hell now. So getting back to Suttering John real quick, I was looking for this clip. I was going back to some old episodes at WTPI. I wasn't able to find it because we've talked about them for many hours now.

But there was a time when I played this song on my show that John had played on his show. He grabbed the acoustic guitar and he's singing and he's playing and he screwed up really bad. It was really embarrassing. So we had some fun with it. So John gets on with Royce, who was his co-host at the time. And he says, they're not allowed to play my song. They can't do that.

And Royce goes, yeah, I'm not worried about that. Like we play clips from Howard Stern. And John's response was, yeah, because they're talking about me. So of course, they're going to play clips if they're talking about me. So now he's talking about Julie behind his paywall. Julie plays it reacts to it. And now I guess that was changed in his mind or something. Like, why does he think this is different? Was it the song that starts with poor little juboy thought he doesn't know but I have recently talked about that one too. Sure they do know it.

Do you even know what I'm talking about? Yeah, this song couldn't believe Howard didn't put on the album, right? On private parts that he came up with. It was actually when he was an intern he wrote it and he wanted to be the show's theme song. Right. And he couldn't, I just remember he was shocked that Howard wasn't into it. I can't believe it. It's super blatant. Even for the time we have to get that song up. It is, it is amazing. You guys talk. I'll find it. I have it. I have it. Yeah. I was like, you're on the

one show that you'll have that in about 35 seconds. Yeah. Yeah. Let me give you a second. Yeah. He's poor little juboy. Thorny was a coon, and I forgot how the hook goes. Well, I mean, that's really remember the most important part of my opinion. The speed, you put, you say those verses to the people and they're not after you finished your study with the coon people aren't like, I wonder what the course is like.

And back to our politics being, if I can't say what people say, what everyone needs to come together and act as one. I mean, I know in a few places where that happened, Germany, for example, where everyone just supports one person. Right, right. And I get our system benefits from everyone being dug in.

And the end product generally is what makes the country great. It sucks because half the people are probably having a Democrat. That's great. And you're never going to change most of those people anyway. So it's really the rub that comes out of that conflict. And we are pussy compared to, let's say, even within terms of Hamilton, you know how they settled their disputes. I mean, they went across this river over here and doled when they had a political issue.

Right. And what do we do? What do we do? I've said it's in the tweet. I do along Call of Duty. Carl hates it, but that's where I do like a man. Oh, good. We talk about that for the next 25 minutes. Please get right here about it. So I don't see you, dude. So this song, although it's not so controversial, it was really John's like first week or two and as an intern and he came up with a few songs. This was the first one where he really thought Howard's going to love it. And that's why it was so controversial at the time. And let me just thank you, by the way, Juan, for bringing us together. I haven't talked to Vince in a while, so I appreciate the taxes helped bring us back together. Yeah, what I recommend is that eventually you get

John on with you and that should be fun. I don't know if he'll, I made him an off from my last episode. You did. Yeah, I assume he watches it or he'll get it. I really got to convey it to him so he actually can say yes or no Well, I don't have his number. Can you get me his address? Well, what's funny is that it's so stuttering John likes to hide behind the I don't listen to his show I don't know what they're up to but the people tell me what you know I have my moderators and they tell me what's going on So they'll tell him ridiculous shit that he just automatically believes and it gives him an out-of-thing

He'd be like what are they saying Bobby? Well, they said all my kids like nothing but We used to do a thing with when we were on the killers of comedy show we used to do a thing where we would There would just be wild fucking heckling assholes in the crowd and we didn't want to be the assholes so we'd be like, hey guys listen, management said they're going to throw people out if you heckle. We don't want anybody to get thrown out, but really in our head we're like, somebody's got a comm, he's fucking animals down.

Just so everyone knows we had an echo going in and I did call it, just watch one of your shows where you're making fun of someone for echoing and echoing back in the triple echo and the echo forever. So yeah, it's cleared up now though. That's what's great about Carl's show is he's a man of the people. He makes fun of the people's problems because he lives through the people's promises. Well, what I like to say is clean it up and post. I make mistakes too.

And then I make it seem like I did. That's the king's success right there. What if I were to play this? There was a story about a Jew's success. Do do do do up do do do up. He grew up with blacks. His mind was a mess. Poe a little Jew boy. Thought he was a cune. After dancing the horror, he had nowhere to go. Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, watch and burn. I mean, let's face it Scott Muni's throat is a mess. Supercells needs an enema and Scott Shannon wears a dress. Now this is a theme song. So you just think that that'd be over at that point. No, he starts verse number two. Well, how would say we see you to NBC? Do do do do do do do do do up. It's seen they got jealous of his popularity.

Do do do do do do do do do up. Now how would it make some more money than ever before? It's seen they got jealous of his popularity. Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do- Howard Stern. Ty's got Muni to a poll. Light a match and watch and burn. I mean let's face it. Scott Muni's throat is a mess. Suppy sales needs an enemy and Scott Shannon wears a dress. Why was why were the courses the same? If you're writing like a fun satirical song, you want to add more jokes, right? At least I could. You know who he should sue is the guy who recorded his audio for the book that looks at him after that take and went, we got it. That's the guy you should sue. You guys are such haters. I want to see what you did when you were 20 walking into a major show.

That was a great fucking song. It's great. It's awesome. And actually, he does an English accent in that part too, which is cool. And that was what you guys are doing. You're behind the shitty music with Vinnie. Please.

Shoot it to your point. I like to think that he did take 20 or 30 takes at that. And they're like, all right, this is the best one. We'll use this one. We are on a budget here. We got to move on. I think after take 14, the guys like, I'll put it all together and send it to you. We'll figure it out here. We got to move out. I think after take 14, the guys like, I'll put it all together and send it to you.

Yeah, we'll figure it out post. We got it. So the song you played, I guess John sang poor little Juboi thought he was a cune for his book, but the actual song itself is really good. A lot better than what you played for us. And in fairness to John, that was his like first week on the job. So yeah, he was kissing Howard's ass, but the thing was he didn't realize that saying poor little

Jew boy thought he was a coon would be offensive and not necessarily appropriate for him to actually do. He also says, I didn't think this was funny. I just knew that Howard would think it was funny. He likes to pretend like, yeah, I'm also very offended by this. I think Vince is painting a picture like he just walked off a farm and into the city and into a building and he's like, he didn't know any better. You know, you boys and tunes.

I mean, you can't fault the guy. Well, let me ask you this, Vince. So theoretically, there's a guy named Stuttering Juan who wrote an autobiography. And then he made it available where you could download it. So I went ahead and purchased this and I've been doing an ongoing series on Patreon. But I put some stuff up on YouTube too,

where I've been listening to Stuttering Juan's book and kind of deconstructing it. Now, this is something that costs money. It's not a paywall, but you know, it's a similar type of concept. He has not gone after me for that. Why is that? I don't know, but in New York,

there is an exception for audio read by a book. So there's different types of copyright. And obviously, this is something where someone's reading a book. So it's actually an automatic victory if he would bring it and then it damages per page or I think are 75,000 per page. I don't know if you're lying to me that you're actually doing that but I mean I wouldn't let John or starting one know that so I'm playing clips of it I'm not playing playing pages at a time of playing clips and Port does not care. I mean if it's

It's transformative if you're reading it's similar to a song if you're reading a book It's it's called per se liability with the Or I don't I don't want to argue with you about the loss there, but I don't think that's true because if you're using it to review or if you're using it to critique you can certainly take passages of a book and print them in a newspaper as you're reviewing or critiquing a book That's perfectly legal Look if that's what you think the law is and I'm just saying I wouldn't let broadcasts the John because those are the easiest lawsuits to win When it comes to a lawsuit like John is threatening a one is threatening with our friends moolean Carlos. Yeah

What what so how does that work like what's the process of that? What does he do and then what's the next step and what can they do? If they wanted to find out, you know, or get involved in this lawsuit. What are some of the pros and cons for each side, I guess, is what I'm asking. So anyone with about $300 can file a lawsuit? Oh, so we're, they're fine.

All right, so it's gonna be a few months, that okay, guys. So you at least need $300. And then you actually follow a complaint and then you too would get served. You don't serve it through a random person like many. Yeah. Go to the person and have it served in person or potentially via mail. Now there's an issue for you guys assuming Mouli and Carlos don't live in California, then there's a whole issue whether the court has jurisdiction over both of those two. And then they will look at your connection to the state of California if that's where it's starting to want to live.

But let's say, can I just ask real quick, does the person filing the lawsuit usually go around asking for the persons that their suing's address? Yes, that is normal. That's totally normal. That's whatever we always do. We just ask random people if that's where the address is. And then for whatever reason, we don't file this. See, we just ask that.

Yeah. I miss that episode of Perry Macy. So let's just say, John wins the case. He then has to prove damages no matter what. So there are a thing called statutory damages, which we were talking about with Carl that are automatic, but then he's got to show actual loss. So in theory, Mulee and Carlos would have access to discovery, which would include starting one's tax returns. If he has any

businesses, the incorporation documents, the corporate bank accounts, and the corporate incorporation documents, the corporate bank accounts, and the corporate tax returns as well. So, any type of financial formation that he's claiming that he lost money because of he would have to produce before you would actually get to some dollar amount. What if Stuttering Wands hiding stuff in offshore accounts? In other... Well, in theory, since he's the plaintiff, he wouldn't really matter so much because he has to prove with documents how much he actually lost because you stole, when you guys stole his, his beer on the balcony.

Which, still ring one, have to open up his books before the actual trial would begin. Yes. the actual trial would begin? Yes, and there's two parts of a case liability where you guys liable for violating his copyright. Let's say it wasn't deemed to be fair use, and then damages come, and so he's got to prove what amount he was damaged. So at that point, documents would have already been exchanged, yes, and then he would have to use those documents to prove

and then you would go through his bank accounts, all of his YouTube accounts, any type of financial accounts from YouTube or any other place where he gets money, Patreon, you're entitled to all that information. And then you would do your analysis to determine if, let's say Carlos did steal it and he did in Fringe on John's rights, how much did he lose based upon his bank account? Okay, all right. So you would get all that information, including tax returns as well. Here's a fun question. Why did you bank accounts add a loss already? How and what do you do? He's over drawn. Right. Hey, you go, we didn't do this one. I hear the fun question for you, Vets.

So, let's say that discovery happens. We're opening up our books to each other, and I get to see specifically how much money this stuttering Juan character makes on Patreon and through YouTube. Could I use that information to like have a goo find my show? Or, you know, maybe play like a tie-ass to it? Could Carl react to something Carlos who moved me found out? Yeah, that play like a contest. Could could Carl react to something Carlos moolee found out? Yeah, that's a good question. Can I react to it?

Generally, yes. So everything that is in a lawsuit is public and it's public for a reason, right? We don't want to keep things private. Even though you may not want them to be private, the public needs to see and we need to react to it going forward based upon the precedent it sets. The only issues would be maybe you would have to redact his social security number. You would have to redact his social security number on his tax returns. But the amounts and everything else most likely are going to be in the paper so anyone who has access to the movie in Carlos show. A little more flat. So here's what I'm thinking. We have a game that we play. We have to guess how much money starting Juan makes off a YouTube. And you know, it's like prices right rules. Colossus don't go over. Well, we can

get how many how many subscribers does he have? There's no way to dial. It's hard to pay. There's no. No, no. The actual just YouTube subscriber. Well, he makes money off of people who actually subscribe and pay for YouTube and then he makes money on Patreon. I know how I make, I know how people make money on YouTube. I just have to get how many subscribers. He actually makes money off of Carlos because people go to a show after listening to Carlos. That's a strip. I think he has like 13,000 vans. I think he's had that number for years. I think realistically he owes us more than we owe him. No, shit.

At this point, if we were going to tally everything up, especially with Carlos bringing over so many people to his show, I mean, think of how many trolls have donated to him just to troll him. Yes. People I know, friends of mine have done it. I mean, think of how many trolls have donated to him just to troll him. Like, people I know friends might have done it. I know. It's just a man. So you add all those donations up plus subscriptions. I think we have a case. It's interesting you bring up because in that case that I told you about the client case where the YouTuber was sued by another YouTuber, the court basically said that, yeah, it's part of YouTuber, the court basically said that, yes, part of copyright law is the ability to create future work.

And that includes jobs that are being created now by people that are reacting to other work. So yes, it's a part of the analysis, whether you're actually adding value to John's work, I'm using work as copyright. Well, we're not hurting it any. I can tell you that. That would definitely not. Yeah. Let's look at a guy. Let's get another example of some of this copy-righted work that John so proud of. Behind the paywall.

Behind the paywall. This is what you get. This is advertising right now, everybody. If you want to subscribe, I'm sorry, John's Patreon or through YouTube. This is what you get. The no one else does. Never had a problem with you ever. Uh, the desktop. Never. He was, uh, no, never said anything bad about you. You know, I didn't know you. What, you know, what is that? I say, I can tell you a lot. I can say a lot of bad things about you, you know, from what I hear from, you know, uh, Oh, the audio's not coming through now, because I had to turn that off so that you guys could hear what was going on. All right, that little work and post that will be fine.

Sorry, guys. It's, it's, he's just the, he's, he's, this is, I've never seen somebody get an info, Marshall and be upset about it. You know, right. Exactly. We're literally giving him an info, Marshall. And he's like, Hey, promoting that down immediately. I don't want anybody knowing about me. Vince, I have another question, what as it relates to the law. So let's say this Stuttering Juan character has a copyright for the Stuttering John podcast.

Does that mean there's a copyright for anything, any piece of material that comes out from the Southern John podcast. Does that mean he's copyrighted the name of the show and no one else could put out a show called the Southern John podcast? Yeah, I mean, that's more of a technical question. There's a difference between trademark and copyright and that's outside my scope because I'm more into litigation.

So I'm not sure where you really asking. I guess my point is, can we assume that he owns some type of copyright for this work just because he's the one who did it? Like just talking on the internet does not mean that you own that, you've put it out on the internet. You need to like file for a copyright, I would think. Well, and there's also third parties that you're putting it out through, right? There's like Zoom or StreamYard or whatever system you're using,

like who's to say that they don't own it, because it's on their platform. Yeah, but I wouldn't necessarily use that argument if you were to get sued. The real issue is, are you using it in a fair use manner? the real issue is, are you using it in a fair use manner? Well, yeah, it's a matter to me. It's obviously, yeah, so that's why I'm just trying to explore other reasons why this guy's an idiot. That's fair. And that's fair.

And that's fair. That's why I like to use my time. And that's fair. That's fair. It's fair for him. Well, you know, part of me has never wanted to be sued more in my life than right now, especially if it's both of us at the same time, how much fun that would be. Oh my God.

We do it. Can we hypothetically could moole and Carlos stream on Twitch, IRL during the court proceed? How do we get the court proceedings to be televised? How does that work? You generally won't, assuming he's gonna see you in federal court, and court, that does not allow for any type of recording. Absolutely.

We gotta get a hold of the springer. Springer's put in anybody on. I know two. I'll move to California. I'll move to California if we can make this a state case. Judy Wapner. Let's find them. Somebody's out there. One of my other famous clients was Ben G's old girlfriend. Do you remember that girl who was really skinny? Yeah. So Ivy, Ivy Supersonic. She recorded the made-off hearing in audio and got busted. So yeah, we eventually got it,

or she got it dismissed or just got it squashed, but yeah, she got in trouble for the audio recording of it. She went in there and did it. I thought it was awesome. When you're a super skinny chick with a squirrel tattoo on your neck, you're gonna stick out in a courtroom, probably not best to have a recorder. There's like that what's happening episode with the dooby brothers

just did it fall out of her trench coat when she stood up. So John saying he doesn't know you what type of interaction have you had with John from the beginning? Biblically. Now I knew him at first from calling into the show. He was the first one that tipped me off. He would say, Julie, how would love your stuff? He loves your stuff. Keep calling in. So I did. And we had met face to face at a stand-up comedy show out in Vegas. We met again out in New York when I went out there to do to sit in on the show for the first time. So, yeah, we had met a few times. We knew of each other. We weren't best pals, but he definitely knew me and I knew him. Yeah, so basically I was the guy he called when he left his

VHS cassette of his street interviews that he used to play before his set when you go up and do stand up. He'd play 15 minutes of this highlight reel from the Stern Show and then go up and do seven minutes. And so he forgot it at the hotel and he knew me then to call me and ask me to go get it for him, which I did. What hotel is it? Palastration.

Oh God. Yeah. Carl, do you know what pal hotel is it? Palastation. Oh, God. Yeah. Carl, do you know what palestation is? No, I've not been there. Picture like the worst, the worst shitty casino amongst all beautiful casinos. And that's it. I even know they had rooms there. So it was on the strip.

Yeah, it's a little behind the strip. It's literally right next to the freeway. It's right next to the, like if you veered off the freeway and wanted to kill yourself, you'd end up in there buffet. I've been, I've been a Vegas a dozen times and I've never even heard of that place. Yeah, it's, that makes sense.

It's at best a local stop and even locals don't like fucking go in there. How did you get it back? I went in there and I just started, I talked to the front desk, I can't like fucking go in there. How did you get it back? I went in there and I just started, I talked to the front desk, I just moved. He goes, he goes, do the fuck centering, John is? If he has to come down here and get it,

you're not gonna be happy. I was like, I just smoothed him, I just talked to him like that. I wasn't taking no for an option, I was gonna get this video for him, you know, because he was telling me, he's like, dude, if they find out that I have this thing on the road, and he's going to kill me, he's going to lose it.

Blah blah blah. I felt bad for him. Did you get to go up to the room where did they actually send someone up there? No, they sent someone up and brought it, brought it to him. I'm just curious where he actually left it. Yeah, that I don't know. You know, because there's stories that already tells where John leaves, leaves $10,000 checks on the, on the floor of the motel and things like that. So I don't know why you guys are always hating on John. And these are like classic stories. And it's, it's, it's a entertaining to me. There are classic stories. The classic John, I'm a huge fan of. I told you to go. I mean, why you guys always stealing a shit and

picking on them. What is the real beef you have with them? Hey, why do you guys always stealin' a shit and pick on? I'm sorry. I mean, what is the real beef you have with them? Hey, who are you not representing here? Not necessarily. Not necessarily. So, I wanted to ask you something else, and maybe I should have tipped you off before we did this, but are you familiar with Brendan Shobb? Yeah, okay.

Is this fight alright? Yeah, he was a UFC guy, and now he's transitioned into podcasting and comedy, and he gets picked on quite a bit by the internet. There's actually a pretty large sub-ride that hammers on a daily basis, and this kid... And that's not fair Carl, he gets picked on from stand-up comics as well, not just the other. That's very true. Yes. Good point. Yeah.

He made a comment that he is Eskimo buddies or Eskimo brothers with Dana White. Do you know what that statement means they fucked the same girl? Okay, do you know who they fucked or who he claims they fought? Oh, interesting. All right. I'll think about it. I'll think about it. I'll think about it. I'll think about it. I'll think about it. I'll think about it.

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We're contemplating filing against Ashley Madison for the data breach, but we couldn't find one goddamn plaintiff to actually file the case of the millions of guys that were on their cheating. One of them was willing to go public and say, hey, I'll be the lead plaintiff in the case. I'm surprised because I feel like a lot of them lost their marriages over that because their name had already leaked at that point. You'd think that a few of them would be better. You can still, a guy could still lie his way out of that.

It's tough to put on a three-piece suit and be like, I'm not doing anything today, you know, I got it for another And how cool is this once we file and then it settles the the name plan is all the name plan if you can Generally find the name plaintiff, but the millions of guys will get a check for four dollars in the mail What do you do when you get that check? Yeah? It's not as discrete as you want it to be Why are you getting paid from this website? I don't know. I'll give it to everyone.

So anyway, just to finish up my... I can't tell him about Brendan Shobb. So to finish up my thought, because I want to get your take on this. So Brendan Shobb is goofed on by a lot of different people and clowned. Well, recently this guy named Kyle, who has a show, you might have seen his show on YouTube before.

He used to go by say and Z, now he's unique or uniqueness. He's kind of a mumble. He's kind of a mini-entraining. He's kind of. He's a bit of a mumbleer, and he likes to talk about how we're certain, I hope we can Anthony and all these kind of things.

So he was playing clips from Brendan Shobbs show and clowning him a little bit. Brendan Shobb filed a lawsuit, got his entire YouTube channel taken down, and now they're in a legal battle over it. So this sounds similar to what we were talking about with your other case law precedent. But I wasn't sure if you knew about this. I didn't know about it, but the Sun's Guide is he have a list or something. Yes, he talks. Yeah, yeah, actually I had it

We had to take something down with him and we we filed for For copyright complaint against him just through YouTube because he was using one of our already videos That one of my sons videos actually. Oh no good. I found already and when he was doing his time working in the gas station I've seen that video. I hate that video, but I couldn't think of anything else to do. So what I did was I wrote on a $20 bill, not for drug use or drug deal, don't accept or something like that. Not valid for drugs.

And it gave it to me. He's like, hell is this guy. But yeah, we had to hunt them down and find them to see where he was and if he's still alive or not But yeah, so the reason why I bring this up is because The what's happened from this case and I actually had that guy Kyle on my show recently. She was there and Kyle said that even though there is some paperwork because they showed it to YouTube Which is why YouTube took down his channel? He says that he hasn't been served yet

And I don't know if that was just a move that Brendan did just to get him to shut up because they showed it to YouTube, which is why YouTube took down his channel. He says that he hasn't been served yet. And I don't know if that was just a move that Brendan did just to get him to shut up, but it's totally backfired on Brendan because everyone now, like, YouTubers who have millions of followers are now talking about this, and everyone's goofy on this guy

who claims to be a comedian and against cancel culture, who's now suing people for goofing on him. And a lot of times, I feel like these types of lawsuits kind of backfire on the people who file them. Potentially, he has some money so he can hire potentially decent attorneys. But look at the public,

if you're telling me people with millions of subscribers are talking about him, even if it's negative, I think it's probably more valuable that he's doing it. I get what you're saying in terms of filing the loss. It generally speaking, it's not a good idea in this context, especially if you're not talking about a lot of money, you're going to waste a lot of money if you actually have an attorney. You don't need an attorney to file. You can do it yourself, but be prepared to present all of your financial data to whoever you're

filing if you are successful. So you have to get to that point, and most people won't get to that point if you're following the fair use laws that are applicable to YouTube and any other type of work. Well, it's interesting because this still in Juan character that we were talking about earlier did put in a complaint through YouTube

to try to have some of my videos taken down. And YouTube told him that this fell under fair use, and they said they would not be taking them down. And I'm wondering why wouldn't the first move be a cease and desist? Yeah, so there's some technicalities regarding infringement. They don't have to do it,

but it would give you the opportunity to cease and desist. What they feel is infringement on their rights. And that has to do with damages as well. I mean, if you didn't receive that, then I'd say you're okay. But he could still file just because YouTube makes its determination doesn't prevent John from over one from filing against Carlos. Nobody should discourage him.

If you do go, yeah, no, we watch this. It's fine. You would think that would discourage Mr. Juan a little bit. Yeah, but YouTube has no jurisdiction over civil matters and they get their private organization They don't have to allow any videos on their platform if they don't want to I know it and yet they're a while We mean to keep my video up all they do is take people down all the time That's what that was you do is famous for at this point and even they're like you don't have a case here, buddy What do you do? I?

point. And even they're like, you don't have a case here, buddy. What do you do? I events in your expertise in your opinion, I have offered stuttering one or John, either of them to come on my program and to speak face to face. In your opinion, do you think I'm making a mistake? What are your thoughts on that? No, I think that would be cool. Why would it be a mistake? It would be fun and it would be great for both channels to cross over. And at this point, at these levels, it's what you should be doing. And will John do it?

I don't know. But I can maybe ask him the next time he threatens one of you, want to mule your girls. Yeah, the next time he sends a threat, ask him if he'd want to come on my show and what's his address please ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha with this. That's how you both grow each other's channels. Is my hammy to beg it for that? Just like, he better shut up or I'll sue that. Like what? That's the fun. He does radio wars differently. He starts them and then blocks the people he started them. Yeah, I know. What is that? The different kind of war. It goes back to the original point with John is if you want to get him the change, he wouldn't be as fun. Yeah yeah, that would be the normal thing to do. But he's not going to do it. And that's just his personality.

He'll never do that. So translation, what Vince just said, if John were a smart man, he wouldn't be as fun to make fun of. Yes, I agree. Good point. Making a lot of points here, miss. That was mini.

That's what that, not mini. Not mini. Mini's a friend of John. You talking shit. Ha ha ha. Well, how many times of John you talking shit Well, how many times is John was Julie as he said to you You guys get into a fight you're never talking again and then a few months later He can come back and he'll talk with you

But not a lot of those with us It was more of like he wouldn't talk to me and then he would go on his show and claim that I leaked a summit video of the serious summit meeting. And then he wouldn't talk to me again. And then he'd send me a DM asking what hotel we're staying at in LA that he's going to come and get us. Can I ask you a question? Yeah. So when he said that you're the one who leaked that video, you were still an employee of the

Howard Stern show and a serious and saying that could have obviously put your job in jeopardy. I assumed that he then went on and apologized for that mistake. Never, never once. Never once. Not only that, there was another thing he said, no, I'm not gonna bring it up because, you know, the person's still employed there,

but he accused somebody there of something. And this person came to me in a panic. In a panic, they're going, I cannot lose this job. I don't know what he's talking about. I've never fucking talked to this guy. I've never, like that, that, it's not somebody from his past that he knew.

This was, this was somebody he had never faced a face interacted with before and he accused them of something. And this was somebody he had never face to face interacted with before and he accused them of something and this person he had never never met this person before never never yeah and he and this person's like what do I do what what if they call me in the office what is it and I go nobody listens to this fucking guy so don't worry about it if I do did, I was listening. And I know that he never necessarily said it. Sorry, were the actual normal listens to this guy. Right. Go ahead. He never said that you were the actual leak, but he was sort of implying it from my recollection

that potentially you would have been. So, and then he was also implying that I guess people, Mars, he was hooking up with somebody else or something like that. Something to that effect. I don't know if that's what you're referring to. But truly, when that, after that summit video was leaked, was there any talk in the office about it? Oh, yeah. There had to be. No, there was a big, there was a meeting where it's funny. there was a meeting where it's funny. They did this like good cop, bad cop, worse cop, routine. What do you mean? So we're all we're all in the studio. Right. This is my, I've never told this before. This is why he's a fucking lawyer. This piece of shit. So I, we're in the studio after the show and the amount of times everyone gets called into the studio after the show to be told you guys are doing a great job is zero.

So everybody's nervous and it opens up with, I'm trying to think how it was not there number one. This was the upper tier management. And it starts with Marcy and she's the good cop and she's going, you know, some stuff has come out. We have an idea, you know, where this came from. But if anybody here, if it was an accident, if whatever, you know, now's your chance, you know, come talk to us. We'll work this out. She's like, I don't believe anybody here would do something like this. That's just my, and everybody's like, okay, cool. And then it goes to, to Gary. And Gary's like, I think it is somebody here. And Gary's like, you know, and now everybody's asshole start puckered up. And he's like, you know, and let me tell you something,

we find out it's not going to be good for it. It's not going to be good. And then it goes to Jeremy, you know, and he was like, he flat out was just like, hey, we'll make sure you don't have a work in this industry again, basically. How are you gonna get someone to confess? I love that. So you're doing it wrong. Every single person, whether they smoke cigarettes or not, came downstairs to the smoking area.

Afterwards outside the building and we're just like, what the fuck was that dude? What the fuck was that? Who was the bad cop Jerry? Jeremy Jeremy Coleman Who is that? He's one of the executives up there. He was he was involved with a lot of the talk channels O and A and then he moved over he took over Tim's spot

Basically, so it was a video that we actually see you in and obviously it was being purposely I missed that part of video Well, it's obviously being recorded. Did you see the cameras there recording? No, no I didn't see anybody first of all that meeting You know as as I opening as it was for everybody who watched it imagine sitting there You know none of us knew what we were going into. Like we knew he wanted to go in like another direction. We had a few smaller meetings before

and we knew we were kind of going in a different direction, a little bit more guest-heavy, I guess. But we had no idea that all these changes were coming and all the, and these people are coming. Can I point out the biggest takeaway for Shuley after that meeting? She has to wear a button up shirt. That was it.

I really was. What the fuck? Is that racist? I was like, well, I didn't have a problem with it until we lost Howard TV. And now I'm like, we're not on TV. I should be able to come in here and a fucking, you know, a one Z.

Who gives a shit? Does the Jeff. Yes, so puppet have to be dressed up to you or how does it work? What did they ever find out who who released it? Yeah, they never. I mean, you know, you know who it is. Spill it. No, I have an idea.

I don't know for sure who it is. And I have an idea, but I don't want to say who it is. What's their name rhyme with? I don't know for sure who it is. And I have an idea, but I don't want to say who it is. What's their name rhyme with? It's done rhyme with Mouli, I can tell you that. Yeah, that's interesting. The recording was probably going to be used for future training, I would think.

It wasn't that a secret recording. Not a few training of how not to do it. What do you mean? That zero problem with that. I mean, I don't think people think that it's like the worst thing ever. But when you're moving a lot of people in one direction or another, it's common to have that type of, oh, there was no, that, that video was not from any type of camera

that anyone had knowledge was there. That was filmed on the down low by somebody. It was really, it's a steady camera, though. I'd seen it with a steady, though. I'm really just standing there. I think it's just standing there. I think it was standing there. Okay. I'm telling you, maybe, let's say this, maybe the person who filmed it worked in television. I don't know, maybe they had experience.

Good point. Does the name rhyme with Mugger was he gone already? No, it wasn't Doug, no. Mug bad, Steve. Yeah. No, you know what, Vince, I know what you mean. I've been in the corporate world. Now you have those types of presentations.

My biggest problem with it was that PowerPoint deck. Those slides are fucking terrible. That was all words. There's nothing interesting going on. At least pick a theme. Make it interesting. Yeah, you've become a good point that's totally unrelated to this. But if you're doing any type of PowerPoint,

I say the max is five words I mean if you get away with one word to but so many people just write and write and write and write and distracts the viewer Who's either reading or listening? They're not they're not listening to you because they're reading the thing But I mean how would was making the point there and he's a type a type person and those are the hardest to give Presentation because they want to put everything up there Then there's right and obviously is an entertainment too So you know he understands part of that But to me the way that he was moving the company that's his business right if you don't like it start your own company

And you do it the way you want to do it. That was that was my take on it. I use Like a song of parts of that. Oh, sure. Go ahead, please Well, I was just saying one of the greatest parts of that home meeting was, you know, this was a big, big meeting. Like we had, we've only had like one or two of these big summit meetings, every department from his world, you know, in one spot, meaning, you know, the people that are offsite, archiving shit for him and working, you know, another offices and stuff, all under one roof. And so we're all coming this summer. And we see, uh, mutt, the host of the superfan round table, uh,

walking into the meeting with his then, uh, girlfriend or wife. I don't remember which one she was. And I'm like, nobody was bringing a significant other to this thing. This is the plus one. It's not a plus one about a plus one. Where's the camera? He like drove in from, you know, Philly or wherever he was living at the time for. They just came a day of it coming into the city, bringing my wife to the meeting,

and everybody's just looking like, so who's gonna tell him? Somebody has to tell him. Today, when say anything, you know Today, I wouldn't say anything. You know what? I don't remember. Once I got in there, I think I was sitting near Sal and I was picking up his, do I have a job next week energy? And I was just panicking the whole meeting. So I have a question for you, Shule.

I'm gonna put you on the spot here because I know how good you are with impressions when you're around someone, enough, you can really mimic their style and their sound. Have you ever done a Howard Stern impression? No. Can you? I don't know. I don't know what. Can you say I need everyone to make

10 Twitter accounts? Twitter bread, bread, bread, pits. I don't know. I, let me take you here. I don't know. Let me think here. Scott, Scott. Sorry.

No, let me get, let me get. Scott, you love Rush Limbaugh. So write him a letter, write him 10 letters. Tell him your ball, tell them to come on the show. I don't know. You need a workshop that I feel like it's like Lauren Michaels, I told you I could do it in front. Now he's gonna critique it, like I said,

I got the best Howard impression on her. What I'm saying is you should work it out because I think it would be good in the rotation because no one does a good Howard, except for Anthony Kubiad, this is just like, that woo hoo, Robert, you know, I feel like that would be maybe there's one other one. I got You said it all Carl. There you go What have we done today?

I've actually heard Sal do You know, Sal was so good. He was it he was able to trick Eric the actor and the believing that it was him Yeah a few times. Eric is not easy to fool. Not easy to fool. He knew it was high-pitch and that kind of carcassant. So, by the way, Vince, while I have you here and on the spot, we need to do another, Eric, the actor episode on YouTube and we need to get in touch with our boy, Yarn,

and make sure everything's all right with him. Yeah, and I'm ready to get back into that. So we were doing a whole series on Eric the actor who I love and you still do. And we're progressing through it. Yarn had some family issues, but in reality, I could have pressed it harder. So yeah, we need to start that up again. And I'm ready to go now. So I got the new green screen studio going here. That's actually, you're doing it wrong. Yeah, it's not. There's nothing behind it. It's just green. No, look at people in their videos. Click right here and then there's nothing there.

Yeah. And the thing I hate when people ask for people to smash that like button and subscribe. It's just put out a good fucking video and people will do it. It's so annoying when you ask, ask them to do it. Yeah, it's my voice. You hear that? Well, you're, uh, you're Eric, the actor series is fantastic. So I'm excited. That's going to come back. No, it's definitely coming back. We have to do something. Otherwise, Julie's crawling back to New York City to get a job back. I mean, if we don't. It's got to cover these legal fees. Mark, please, I'm broke from stuttering one's legal fees. Did I see something weird where Johnny Knoxville was in studio, but Howard was in his Hampton's

basement and they're trying to act as if it's in the same room. Yeah, he hasn't been back to the studio since. I don't know. They cancel my subscription. The real question, Vinnie, is Howard in the Hamptoms or is he in Florida? I think that's the question people have. I don't think I think he's in Florida doing these shows. Well, how ironic would it be? He's bashing Republicans and mask mandates and he wants everyone to be vaccinated, but he's in Florida now. I don't know. I mean, does it really matter? It doesn't matter. And to him, it's I think it matters. Well, eventually it should matter, right? If you're putting on a show three days

a week, you would think you'd be in the in the actual office. Well, imagine busting somebody's balls who work for you for moving out of the state. Good point. And then you should hear you move out of the state and you can imagine that. How, how hypocritical would that be? There's a lot of stuff going to the office. Let's say on Monday, will there be in the actual office in Midtown? You know, it's funny. I don't know who all is going in and who isn't, but I know people are going in. You know, I don't know who all is going in and who isn't, but I know people are going in. You know, I don't know how that works and what that entails. If it's shit, because you have to understand, the office has to be completely revamped from the way it was.

I mean, we were literally sitting side by side with dividers between us. So like, you know how it is out there, man, you have to, they have a fart pod now. You go into the rip ass, you know, nobody, it's very, very stringent over there. Yeah. I mean, now I think it's okay for, for that setup to be, I think people realize now you're not going to die from the flu. So, well, you can't even say it on YouTube sometimes it'll take it down if you say that flu. Yeah, you sound like Stuttering One, but it's like a job flu. People get so offended if you say that in a flu, but I mean, generally we name our

flu's where they originate from. I don't see why it's such a big deal. Well, maybe because it actually originated from Fauci and oh, shit, are we off the air? What just happened? Fauci. Flu. All right, gentlemen, well, I don't know if we got to the bottom of anything today. I guess we're going to wait for the paperwork to come through. Yeah, so it's not, I mean, as much as you joke about it,

if you do get suited, it isn't a joking matter. I don't know, even when I get suited, it's still something where you have to deal with it. It might be a little bit funny though, right? Kind of a little bit. Even just a little bit. Yeah, in your situation, it would be, but you have to actually answer,

because if you don't answer, then they get a default on you. But even when they default, they still have to prove damages. So, oh, oh, oh, uh, Mouli's answering. That's what he's told me. Carlos, they didn't deroll to be answering those. Yeah. And the thing is that you probably wouldn't even need, you don't have to be represented to put in an answer and to even proceed through the entire case. And Vinny, you know that this isn't the first time I've been threatened with a lawsuit from Centering Huan, so it's not like I haven't been down this road before.

Anyway, without that note, Shuly, great to talk to you both. And thank you Carlos. I mean, Carl, maybe someday we'll be reunited in court on a Twitch feed that people could watch. So we somewhere near them uh... who are these dot com is where you can find a who are these podcasts anywhere you get podcast the sholey show

sholey show on patreon uh... you have the miserable men show on patreon you have thanks for coming out a new podcast i started with james matter in where we interview comics about bombing and uh... yet anything else and everything else and i'm touring all over podcast I started with James Madden where we interview comics about bombing and Yeah, anything else and everything else and I'm touring all over Shalom shuly.com West Coast coming up all kinds of dates. I'll see you soon Why live show in Nashville May 14th where these podcasts. Shuly will be there And we got a lot in store for that Vinny anything you're promoting Eric the actor Series nothing. I got nothing going on got a lot in store for that. Vinny, anything you're promoting, Eric the actor, series? Nothing.

I got nothing going on. So Vinny backgrounds for his green screen, if you can. Is it great? Please do. Maybe post production in this guy, then. Sure. I want him to put back there. Something good.

Put the documents, put the court papers in the background. Vinny, aren't you wearing a green hat right now? What do you want me to do with this? But if you can get the beer on the balcony that's that Yeah, I mean think about the hat to and that is why you are not my lawyer I love this man. Please join us again next week It might be the upside-by friend. I for all. Who are these podcasts? Sleep well, everybody. Who are these podcasts? W-A-T-P.